#general
worn ember
modest path
nvm i found a 3 pound box of em https://www.jellybelly.com/49-assorted-jelly-bean-flavors-3-lb-clear-can/p/98767 look at that
i wonder if i could get it cheaper tbh
magic river
Oh wow you can change camera angles too, this is just a MC renderer
I was trying to think of a way to do the fixed angle rendering I was seeing that would be cheaper than just having a full MC renderer and coming up blank, I guess now I know why 😛
modest path
Survey - What's the most user friendly distro of linux to your knowledge, and why?
waxen panther
linux mint is pretty easy for nooooobs, pop os easy too
debian is not easy for beginners lol
wild escarp
oh wait lol i was talking about servers
waxen panther
i dont think so
wild escarp
i like pop os for desktop tho
spiral robin
Mint is what I started with
p OS
olive marlin
Yeah, mint with Cinnamon DE is very nice for previous Windows users.
vestal jasper
hi
woven otter
hi vic
austere ivy
just joined yatopia's discord for a split sec to see what's going on
- it's got 1024 members, holy crap, and 2. didn't ivan start the project? and now he also left the project? what?
iron zephyr
I don't know how to compile code into a jar. I am trying to compile PlotSquared - can someone teach me? https://github.com/IntellectualSites/PlotSquared/
I've installed Gradle
modest path
if you can't compile it there's probably a reason to that -
tropic flame
Survey - What's the most user friendly distro of linux to your knowledge, and wh...
if one is literally coming from windows with no knowledge of linux then probably Zorin OS will feel the most familiar for them
modest path
Hmm, gotta check that out
waxen panther
if you can't compile it there's probably a reason to that -
there is no reason for it
you can compile it just like an other gradle project
modest path
No, meaning he didn't set up his own installation of gradle corrrectly @waxen panther
waxen panther
oh ok i thought you were saying p2 were intentionally making it hard lol
modest path
no haha what open source software would intentionally make it hard to compile
Tonight i suppose i'll migrate my computer to zorin it looks cool
i have to make a backup of everything and then reinstall ugh
waxen panther
you'd be surprised
i've seen a few premium spigot projects that have their source has code only without build tools 
waxen panther
open source your code or open source your code
austere ivy
for me, there's two type of software
open source software, and free open source software
any other software I do not use :)
(there are obvious exceptions to that rule)
modest path
open source your code or open source your code
Open source your code and then tell no one about it
(it's about the same experience as privating your repo)
burnt crypt
How can i reliably get a minecart go to through a portal every time
it seems to often just go through the portal
golden gust
It depends on the other side being loaded afaik which is only a thing for like 20 seconds when the portal is loaded, afaik
Needs a deeper look into what is going on there
burnt crypt
let me see if i can provide an example
hm, that is weird
if i push a cart into a portal it seems to always work but if a cart comes out of a portal and tries to go into anotherr portal it doesnt work
this is consistently replicatable
15 second cooldown according to the gamepedia, that sucks, gotta figure that out...
wide pond
anyone have room for me on their dedicated server
im fucking tired of my shared hosting im getting charged up the ass
i will pay handsomely for 4gb of ram
wide pond
$27/month on GGServers
formal turret
for 4gb?
formal turret
only shared host i used was pebble and they're like 1 dollar per gb
if you really want something cheap use them i guess lol
wide pond
i dont want cheap i want quality
GGServers uses OVH i7-7700K with NVME storage
but they are taxing me HEAVILY
golden gust
paying a host known to be massive rip off merchants wondering why one is being ripped off
wide pond
what are my other options dude? VPS's have shit shared resources, and the smallest OVH dedicated server is $80/month for 32gb
golden gust
There are a handful of competent shared hosts
you defo shouldn't be paying more than like $5 at all for a G of ram, and there's even cheaper offers from competent hosts
I generally shy away from recommend hosts because politics, but, dedicatedmc and bloom, and extramc are hosts I see recommended often
they appear to be in the "not shit right now" list
wide pond
yeah I would rather pay someone on this server $20/month for 4gb of ram on their decent dedicated
if anyone is interested hmu
golden gust
Not to place for seeking people for that, and highly recommend nobody takes up such misc offers
wide pond
why if someone isnt using all their server resources seems like a good opporuntity for them to make some $ back
golden gust
hosting rando people on your hardware is how you get blacklisted by hosts when that rando is up to no good
formal turret
because it seems like they'd have to spend a bunch of time to limit it so you don't use all the resources on the server lol
wide pond
honestly dude to prevent that I would consider paying for a multicraft license...
like i dont even need SSH access
im trying to host a family friendly christian minecraft server
not some satanic shit that will get you blacklisted by ur host
zealous wedge
@wide pond what do you have against Satan? they're a good friend of the project
golden gust
satan punishes the bad, god punishes us all, now, who's the bad one
wide pond
@zealous wedge its nothing personal
not sure if OVH allows satanic minecraft on their dedicated servers tho
ill have to check the TOS
spiral robin
@cosmic raft 
cosmic raft
hi aber
spare venture
I can’t even
cosmic raft
am not there aber
true canyon
@mighty storm I did it! https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3.github.io/pull/349
true canyon
😦
mighty storm
vs kitteh with everything :3
true canyon
All the love for kitteh
and I even tested stuff before pushing this time
... which was good because I made a mistake the first time around that I only caught through testing against oragono
merry talon
is it wrong to use culinary preferences as an actual factor in liking someone or not?
my friend just told me they don't like cheese...
potent fossil
.kill friend_of_sweepy
limber knotBOT
rips friend_of_sweepy's intestines and uses them as a skipping rope.
merry talon
spare venture
You have friends now?
waxen panther
damn u got him good there
merry talon
yeah turns out when I stopped hanging around you they flocked to me
I wonder whether it's because you're a minecraft server owner or because you don't take showers
warm anchor
Can you two just have sex already 
sly trellis
i leacked my ip
waxen panther
ok deleted
sly trellis
i got anti chat plugin called Spartan and i get this error 
and i asked for help on the discord server and thay say to ask here if you can help please dm me when i put in the plugin i get the error with out it can join
warm anchor
The issue is literally stated
spare venture
Are the authentication servers down?
warm anchor
Can you even read
golden gust
- Nobody is going to DM you to provide support, sod off
warm anchor
Regional issue iirc
golden gust
- Nobody here can help you
either you have network issues or mojangs servers are having issues
sly trellis
thay asked me to ask here
spare venture
Who
mental meadow
- No one cares about IP addresses
sly trellis
dedos
spare venture
who
sly trellis
idk
warm anchor
Yeah that’s not going to affect or introduce your issue present
sly trellis
il just ask in #paper-help
minor badge
theres nothing you can do, Mojangs servers are down
sly trellis
tjhay arent
minor badge
they are
golden gust
There is nothing we can do to help you
minor badge
that message appears when theyre down
sly trellis
theres nothing you can do, Mojangs servers are down
when i ass it i get the error when i remove it it lets me join
golden gust
apparently mojang is having a regional outage, that's all we know
sly trellis
that message appears when theyre down
THERE NOT
golden gust
beyond that, all we can assume is that something is messing with the network on your side or something
sly trellis
apparently mojang is having a regional outage, that's all we know
this happent a while ago
minor badge
try again in a couple of hours
golden gust
"when I remove it" remove what?
sly trellis
I DID I TRYED IT YESTERDAY AND IT HEPPENS TO
golden gust
Drop the caps.
potent fossil
sigh
waxen panther
our free support isn’t good enough for the YouTuber
sly trellis
uhhhhh
golden gust
We can only go off what we know, as far as we know, mojang is having issues, beyond that, we can't help with issues that some random 3rd party plugin causes
waxen panther
it’s not our paid plugin why would we care
sly trellis
..
warm anchor
I honestly can’t tell if this guy is legit this confused or he’s doing some 200iq trolling
golden gust
assuming that it is the plugin, how are we supposed to provide support for a plugin we've literally never touched, doing stuff such a plugin shouldn't even be capable of?
You're on your own
minor badge
I honestly can’t tell if this guy is legit this confused or he’s doing some 200i...
they're a kid, probably true
waxen panther
gg
warm anchor
Welp he’s gone 
waxen panther
ok 🥺 
minor badge
😳
upbeat kelp
wait today is valentines day?
zealous wedge
in the future, yes
golden gust
Hey, proxi
minor badge
hi cat
upbeat kelp
now kis
mental meadow
@zealous wedge
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zealous wedge
@mental meadow 🥺
minor badge
we dont give beggars roles
mental meadow
especially not blue roles
swift root
the lion, the witch, and the...
mental meadow
bathtub
golden gust
Every "none official" role i know has been a beggers role
a fair % of the people asking for the pretty in pink roles are just females begging and hoping that maybe some guys will start hitting their DMs
mental meadow
all of my roles are beggar roles
golden gust
stares awkwardly at proxi
golden gust
(That was all just me wanting to poop on proxi because screw proxi)
golden gust
Okay, maybe not poop, she's weird enough she'd probably enjoy it, but, ya get mi
mental meadow
a fair % of the people asking for the pretty in pink roles are just females begg...
no one DMs me ever 😦
upbeat kelp
oof i didnt know blue was core team role
swift root
@upbeat kelp there are non core blue roles
warm anchor
Best gift you will ever get from zzzcat is a bag of cat poop
golden gust
psh, tease
mental meadow
wtf
swift root
wow what a tease
golden gust
maybe coz I have them disabled lol
upbeat kelp
zzz cat wtf man u discord moderatior
swift root
yeah it's your end cat - both need open
golden gust
yea
upbeat kelp
yes
mental meadow
cat leaking our mutual servers 😦
upbeat kelp
b l o c k
mental meadow
instantly
minor badge
_stares awkwardly at proxi_
oh how that stare would fit perfectly in my soup spoon...
golden gust
swift root
hearty compass
@upbeat kelp
Hi
upbeat kelp
hello
upbeat kelp
shut
magic river
lol, one time in ancient China a general was late due to rainstorms and as the penalty for being late was the same as rebellion (death) he decided to give that a shot instead and that was the beginning of the end of the Qin dynasty
potent fossil
just read a brief about the Qin (page or two) in my larger "china" chapter in my history book
woven otter
I'm really enjoying the crypto prices rn 
worn ember
Duck give me your money
ashen cliff
🌽
woven otter
no u
untold copper
offline mode servers be like:
twin lagoon
Ok.
untold copper
minor badge
that makes one person laughing
untold copper
one person and one dog*
pale hinge
guys i need help! in a world guard region, players can push boats by swords and when boats touch the itemframes, they got broken and items on them drops on the ground 😦
is there any flag to prevent players from pushing boats?
or itemframes getting broken
limber knotBOT
which Java version does Minecraft bundle? 8 51?
twin lagoon
think so
ashen cliff
Yeah.
limber knotBOT
thanks, I guess I remembered it right :D
visual egret
Anyone have an idea on how i would create a 500x500 world with just 1 biome in it
ashen cliff
Large biomes and hope.
Or use a world gen that supports that option.
visual egret
is there a way to do it with worldpainter?
ashen cliff
I don't see why not?
visual egret
since im using slime world manager, gen plugins wont help me
ashen cliff
You can always change the biome later.
visual egret
except the world isnt generated with that biome
ashen cliff
True.
You could also use customized world type with just 1 biome.
biomes: A list of biomes, including their likelihood.
Charts are cool.
woven otter
looks spongy
ashen cliff
🧽
worn ember
are you a gamedev now?
ashen cliff
I hope not.
agile pine
true canyon
@mighty storm IT'S LIVE
woven otter
Yes
worn ember
Yes
rough swift
Will 1.17 require Survival gameplay servers to reset and start new? Expanding I assume would break the void changes.
limber knotBOT
it doesn't break more than any other world generator change
worn ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rough swift
So a reset is definite
limber knotBOT
if you really care about the world being pretty? I guess
but they left the sea level at the same y for a reason
worn ember
anarchy servers: REEE meh chunks
untold copper
I don't get it... why is increasing the build height so hard?
Isn't there an option in the server.properties that allows you to set the max build limit?
woven otter
isn't 2b2t stuck on 1.12.2
untold copper
yeah
when 1.13 came out, hausemaster actually conducted a test run on the new version... the tps dropped severely with just under 90 players
or was it 30
And since 2b2t is running on insanely good hardware, I don't think its going to update anytime soon
woven otter
sad though that many servers don't move on to latest version just because of performance but hey we have people working on making it better
untold copper
limber knotBOT
my players would kill me if I don't always update lol
untold copper
same lol
waxen schooner
is it just me or is encryption in the Minecraft protocol made entirely pointless by the fact that the shared secret is sent in the clear in the encryption response https://i.imgur.com/8yQUMfr.png
I swear the whole point of having a "shared secret" is that it's meant to be, well, secret
and sending the shared secret in the clear like that means that anyone sniffing in between there can just grab the shared secret and decrypt the messages, no?
ah nvm, it's encrypted with the server's pub key, ignore me lol
limber knotBOT
seeing as the verify token note claims that it's "encrypted as witht he same public key as the shared secret" I feel like that one might be encrypted too?
-as 👀
waxen schooner
yeah that's encrypted
limber knotBOT
fix the wiki ;D
waxen schooner
yeah I will lol
untold copper
I don't get it... why is increasing the build height so hard?
Isn't there an option in the server.properties that allows you to set the max build limit?
anyone?
waxen schooner
I swear there is
limber knotBOT
the max is 255
waxen schooner
just gotta look
limber knotBOT
you can't set it above that pre 1.17
waxen schooner
yeah you can't increase it
limber knotBOT
it's meant to allow limiting the world to the old build height of 128 blocks
waxen schooner
unless you made a custom client and server that can support it I guess
untold copper
so you can't set that over 256?
waxen schooner
actually I believe there's a packet on the server's end that tells the client what the max build height is, so if you're 
enough, you might be able to increase it that way
limber knotBOT
Magic numbers
waxen schooner
Minecraft wasn't designed for portability, it's private and obfuscated for a reason
untold copper
hai brocc
waxen schooner
wat?
untold copper
hru
limber knotBOT
I mean just wait for 1.17 lol
waxen panther
pretty good 
limber knotBOT
that allows fully dynamic depths/heights
waxen schooner
wonder how many of these "void teleport" plugins will break lol
untold copper
nah i was just tryna understand why its so hard to increase the limit
limber knotBOT
On another note, espernet's SSL certs appear to be invalid
waxen schooner
magic numbers
untold copper
dont make any terrain generate there
limber knotBOT
magic numbers
waxen schooner
as I said, I believe it's sent in a packet somewhere
limber knotBOT
because they wanted to keep the sea level at the same height
And that includes the client
untold copper
stop saying "magic numbers" 👀
waxen schooner
that's the answer to your question
waxen schooner
a magic number is generally a hard-coded value with no meaning
limber knotBOT
Both server and client have magic numbers included in the code that render hard to do
limber knotBOT
Sea level is one thing, as it absolutely destroys upwards compatibillity
Which is why negative height levels are a thing now
waxen schooner
yeah
limber knotBOT
not putting 0 at sea level was one of the biggest mistakes imo
untold copper
why is the sea level so important and?
waxen schooner
would make things easier wouldn't it
sea level is generally what we measure height from in the real world
limber knotBOT
because if it wasn't the same then upgrading the world from an old version would look even worse
untold copper
or whatever the sea level is
limber knotBOT
It's 64 iirc
or 62
did they even change the overworld terrain at all in 1.17 yet? because it could just be compatible this time around if they only changed caves
It probably has some effects, like cave entrances
There's always the butterfly effect, but probably nothing serious
well yeah, but if the overall noise gen config stayed teh same then no walls would appear at corners
untold copper
I still dont get it. How does sea level work in minecraft? are all the blocks that are not occupied by any other block water blocks? to form seas? as in form the sea level?
limber knotBOT
in oceans, yes
untold copper
okay
limber knotBOT
(or almost, cave gen happens after ocean water gen iirc)
untold copper
so now lets say you raise the sea level
spare venture
Aren’t mountains changing?
untold copper
so that'll the just start flooding the entire world?
spare venture
This is the caves and cliffs update
untold copper
assuming its an old world?
limber knotBOT
no, water doesn't spread like that anymore
or does it again? not sure
Not really. the world is already generated after it is generated
So it won't change
spare venture
It doesn’t spread infinitely since like indev lol
untold copper
won't that cause insane lag doe lol
limber knotBOT
ah: https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_1.17#World_generation_4 planned but not added yet
spare venture
Snoopa have you ever played this game or thought to think first before talking
limber knotBOT
I hate that I created a new mountain world on my server in 1.16... and then they allow higher worlds -.-
untold copper
I have played it, but I've never actually looked this deep into it before
limber knotBOT
Slime gen would also need to change
untold copper
what gen?
limber knotBOT
You know, slimes only spawn at certain heights
untold copper
ah yes
limber knotBOT
Changing world size would also impact that
untold copper
that would also have to change
spare venture
I’m just sad that the game already runs pretty poorly, increasing height gonna make things worse
spare venture
They will not
limber knotBOT
I highly doubt that the entirety of the chunk is loaded
spare venture
All I can hope is that mojang doesn’t continue making performance worse
limber knotBOT
(at least that is the case for the client)
spare venture
Wireless redstone also has me scared
untold copper
that's not gonna end well...
limber knotBOT
At least that can be solved with a good amount of caching
Ram would be the only thing that would suffer in this case
Thanks Geolykt for commenting about esper certs. In the future could you report issues like that to #dragonweyr? I noticed it this time by luck :D
(also wtf why is that server handing out a cert that expired in JUNE of last year)
and why did it only became an issue now?
true canyon
We regularly update certs, I think it was yesterday or the day before that the last update happened, and I'm guessing without additional knowledge that something went wrong with the server you prefer to connect to.
mighty storm
<@!476488167042580481> IT'S LIVE
autumn glen
Okayyyyyy, dumb question but why doesnt minecraft utilise all its ram/cpu allocated? Even if we put it under extreme conditions with a lot of plugins and players it doesn't seem to try to go beyond 70-80% of ram used.
vernal moth
it doesnt work like you think it does
more ram doesnt mean more power
its just that you struggle if you dont have enough ram
autumn glen
Well, I got a support request, and I dont know how to explain it to him lol
vernal moth
users are idiots
autumn glen
Mh
vernal moth
and 10gb of ram is plenty for mc, doesnt need much more
warm anchor
Wireless redstone also has me scared
I am more scared how am I going to light up entire chunk now for mob filter
lavish phoenix
Im kind of new to the paper api, so I want to know if i can use it to get chat messages. If yes, can anyone give me a sample code because i cant find any tutorials on google
wintry dune
you listen for an AsyncChatEvent
be careful because you cant do most thingss async
so make a runnable or sth
woven otter
lavish phoenix
tysm I'll take a look at that
wintry dune
oh yeah i shouldve explained that
lavish phoenix
Heres another question I have, Ive seen people creating a discord bot that gets the mc server's messages and send them in discord, vice versa
true canyon
Soooo... timings. If going for measuring millis per tick, would looking at the percent that a full server tick is be a good way of sorting that out? Like, I'm wondering if there's anything missed by the 'full server tick' that takes place within an actual tick on the server.
void void
Heya! Any idea of why this is happening? I just made the server, like, I havent added any plugins or stuff
true canyon
Did you "just make" the server three years ago and forgot to upgrade the software since then? That's MC 1.12 which is quite old.
hidden lance
iv enabled the built in paper anti xray it works great in over world but not at all in nether how do i get it to work there please dm if you can.
void void
Did you "just make" the server three years ago and forgot to upgrade the softwar...
Actually, I downloaded everything yesterday, I'm trying to do some little testing for my rpi, to see if it can actually run some mc server for testing, I choose 1.12.2 because its the oldest version I have downloaded on my main pc, so I can later try and connect to it
vernal moth
Why would you use the oldest versions tho?
vernal moth
iv enabled the built in paper anti xray it works great in over world but not at ...
Check pins in paper help
true canyon
Because it's a pi. I can save you some trouble, Kamikaze, by saying that a pi won't be very good at it.
void void
Why would you use the oldest versions tho?
Because I dont think so a rpi 2, which is 2 generations past, would run a 1.16.4
hidden lance
#paper-help kk
true canyon
Oh, a pi 2? It really won't be good at it.
void void
Well, rip then
true canyon
A pi 4 with 4gb ram can start up the server, and get a player or two on it, but it won't be a happy time.
void void
Tried using a USB drive to do a swap partition to see if it would help, but it seems its problem of the entire rpi
Well, at least I tried
true canyon
It's like showing up to a nascar race with a go-kart.
void void
KEK
hidden lance
Check pins in paper help
i did i already enabled it its good in overworld i did engine 2 but nether how i checked pins it just a link i have not read it yet shall i
true canyon
A pi is great at many things, but running a MC server is not one of them.
vernal moth
i did i already enabled it its good in overworld i did engine 2 but nether how i...
It says what you need to do in the world nether world config
hidden lance
ok
hidden lance
https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e
i see the script of the nether one do you have to add it in or anything
spare venture
fucking pis
why do people always try to run servers on them
that’s the least cool thing you could do with one
ashen cliff
that’s the least cool thing you could do with one
What's cooler than running a MC server on a 🥧?
spare venture
Shared hosting is cheaper, easier, and way better.
visual egret
but monthly bills are scary
hidden lance
yo guys idk what to do with this nether thing lmao
spare venture
monthly bill of $5-10 a month vs a $50+ piece of shitware
hidden lance
i tried adding script enabling it does not work and i cant find it normally idk if im blied or just tired af and is stoopid
ashen cliff
Still don't understand why you are hatting on the 🥧.
hidden lance
@vernal moth confusion
spare venture
krusicI hate you too
ashen cliff
Epic.
spare venture
Crab rave firework
spare venture
You’re welcome
wild escarp
xD
ashen cliff
Now animate it.
spare venture
No
visual egret
Crab rave firework
party how
visual egret
1.16 world <:thonk:463842968097521675>
anyway, how tf does this happen lol
wild escarp
Cause minecraft client stores worlds differently than bukkit
tropic flame
Crab rave firework
how the fuck-
wild escarp
folders-n-shit
woven otter
Crab rave firework
holy fuck. who made that
visual egret
im assuming party is starting to do something on his test server
worn ember
there was an attempt
ashen cliff
Very good.
wild escarp
hahaha
limber knotBOT
I mean, you can just put them on a ram disk ¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
ded tries to use minimessage
it works for every other message lol
visual egret
send snippet
waxen panther
visual egret
hi brocc
quasi valley
hello oskar
viral hornet
in memory worlds load so much faster lol
wow
vernal bone
After 3 years of win7 finally 😎
quasi valley
how are you
waxen panther
peepo wave .
worn ember
except for that fact that all messages get sent to the console instead of player 
waxen panther
peepoClapJamminMoment ?
spiral robin
Hello @waxen panther @quasi valley @viral hornet
spare venture
holy fuck. who made that
me
spare venture
and glare
viral hornet
Hello <@264203519806930944> <@259465250716254210> <@171898972330262538>
hello qt
spiral robin
@mossy vessel 
waxen panther
the new server you're in
spiral robin
oh
waxen panther
theres like 200 of us in vc
mossy vessel
woven otter
theres like 200 of us in vc
lies
waxen panther
zzzzzzzz
spare venture
zzz
wraith trail
does anyone know of a decent "what is a minecraft server/super basics of how to run one" type guide? I've been looking for one to link people but all i've found do something super dumb
ashen cliff
Medium.
waxen panther
t h a n k y o u o s k a r v e r y c o o l
wraith trail
this one isn't awful anymore. They have updated it https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-paper-on-debian-10
used to say
PaperSpigot requires a swap file to accommodate the RAM requirements. Replace 1G in the command below with your desired swap file size.
and tell you to allocate all of your memory to the heap
void void
Anyone know a plugin that shows a custom message when hovering over the playercount on a server?
This one is outdated: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/player-count-message.3408/
void void
Anyone know a plugin that shows a custom message when hovering over the playerco...
1 sex
Sec*
ahahahahahaha
limber knotBOT
👀
void void
@void void
Bungeecord?
yeah
Hm i know plugin
But i can't found it
exact same here
I will tty search on Google
wraith trail
afaik the api for that hasn't changed in forever. So literally any plugin that ever did that should work
void void
@void void
https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/serverlistmotd
It's best plugin for motd
It has all functions
What you need
woven otter
proxi is rude
void void
Also hover text
Awesome thanks so much!
@void void also
It's need protocolLib
Abd placeholdersapi
And *
I saw that
For 1.16
neon peak
where can I get help with TPS caused by villagers?
I already optimized my yml files
but now the villagers cause a huge spike in tps lag
50 to 60%
zealous wedge
#paper-help i guess?
ashen cliff
Syntax error or access violation: 1235 This version of MariaDB doesn't yet support 'LIMIT & IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery'
ashen cliff
Oh yes. Boardwalk.
safe plover
wrong
zealous wedge
1.16.4
safe plover
but its based on it
ashen cliff
So Boardwalk.
safe plover
with extra pepper and salt
ashen cliff
And less 🍝.
visual egret
ok so i thought that my code would never reach that state but somehow it did
good thing i put that try catch there
twin lagoon
the trick is to not overengineer a motd
visual egret
trick is to put try catch everywhere
ashen cliff
The trick is to write knockoff JSON or YAML to make everyone suffer.
meager tusk
ok so i thought that my code would never reach that state but somehow it did
How the fuck did you get your MOTD to a point where you need a try/catch tho
twin lagoon
How the fuck did you get your MOTD to a point where you need a try/catch tho
he overengineered a motd
retrieves it from an api
meager tusk
just when you think you've seen it all
fallen oracle
Just think about that. Calling an external API to retrieve information on server ping. Then think about running that sync. That'd be a fun way to have lag on a server.
ripe sphinx
Regardless that feels like an easy way to get lag even if it's async
all it takes is for someone to bot the query
meager tusk
lmfao
ripe sphinx
(which is extremely easy)
ripe sphinx
also if the api it's querying has rate limits, great way to fuck up the MOTD for everyone
meager tusk
@visual egret you're not actually invoking the api every ping right
quick pasture
ripe sphinx
if someone's using an API for the MOTD, do you actually think they're caching the response?
meager tusk
i'm an optimistic guy
worn ember
wtf am i reading
oskar my dude, turn the pc off and dont turn it back on its safer that way
ripe sphinx
i'm an optimistic guy
This isn't the palce for being optimistic about other's dev abilities if they don't have a colored name lol
worn ember
wtf colorist
meager tusk
yeah i guess you should temper your expectations with oskar
worn ember
its fun to read tho
olive marlin
Michale 
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
olive marlin
I tried to look for work in Netherlands, but none of the sites I saw returned anything 
meager tusk
why Netherlands specifically?
twin lagoon
where did you look
twin lagoon
olive marlin
Just Googled something like "it jobs Netherlands" and similar and tried first fiew links.
twin lagoon
some of these are directly english
worn ember
professional googler
meager tusk
I've found https://www.workatastartup.com/jobs to be interesting to look into.
olive marlin
Yeah, I didn't try non-english sites cause I can't understand a thing lol
worn ember
dutch is just meme lang
worn ember
kaaskop
worn ember
olive marlin
https://tweakers.net/carriere/it-banen/zoeken/#filter:q1ZKTSlNTizJzM_zSS1LzSlWso...
From what I can see, it's mostly C#/Java developer, full stack or DevOps with Azure. And many require excellent Dutch
And searching for things like Rust returns nothing 😢
dim shadow
id learn any countrys language that has a dev job for me
olive marlin
Well, Yeah. I will learn it. Just need to land a job first 😛
twin lagoon
olive marlin
🤮
quick pasture
?>
dim shadow
tysm
ever since i found out songoda is based in my town i been wonderin how many other plugin companies are here
meager tusk
And searching for things like `Rust` returns nothing 😢
Welcome to the job market
olive marlin
I guess I can try applying for DevOps position for now. I just want to scan the market anyway, not gonna actually accept them.
dim shadow
vacation?
twin lagoon
no
dim shadow
o ok ok
twin lagoon
vacancy is apparently acceptable too
coarse lily
I'm guessing
coarse lily
Yeah makes sense. Vacancy / opening
twin lagoon
https://nl.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=bb8011e470f0555c&vjs=3 @olive marlin might be a nice one
olive marlin
Oooh, this one looks good.
I'll see if I can apply here and at maxdoro, but should update my CV first and emphasise more my developer knowledge.
spiral robin
i can be a reference
olive marlin
i can be a reference
Thanks!
spiral robin
zealous wedge
wat
tame lantern
like a ranking system, maybe with an admin rank giving them permission to tp players
zealous wedge
what's wrong with luckperms?
tame lantern
I kinda want to code one myself
true canyon
Ah, the self-loathing strategy!
dim shadow
lol i was about to say i made my own plugin for ranking... then like a week later luckperms comes out with multiple ranks
golden gust
So, what does us knowing how to write one have any relevance to you?
Nobody here is going to design the entire thing for you
if you have an actual question, ask it
beyond that, good luck
true canyon
Just to be clear, the words of zml on this nature should be heavily considered as zml suffered through maintaining PermissionsEx for years.
dim shadow
ill code u a ranking system for 1oz of tree or the equivalent in ur currency
zealous wedge
tl;dr it's really easy to shoot yourself in the foot with bad design decisions early on that are hard to get out of
tame lantern
wise words
dim shadow
tl;dr it's really easy to shoot yourself in the foot with bad design decisions e...
story of my life basically
idk how i still hav a foot
tame lantern
ill code u a ranking system for 1oz of tree or the equivalent in ur currency
confusion++
tame lantern
Ok id rather go google search 0-o
ripe sphinx
Also for the reference, Luck has written 450,000 lines of code for Luckperms over the years, Current project is ~100,000 lines. Most of that is nessecary. A permissions plugin is not something trivial.
https://i.imgur.com/iOP9KqO.png
ripe sphinx
I mean yes
zealous wedge
and luck still has a long list of things he'd like to improve lol
dim shadow
oh if ur gonna be coding plugins i suggest u stick around @tame lantern but yes google is a good starting point, also spigot api docs
tame lantern
is it that hard to code?
ripe sphinx
but I've seen the code, it's not like Luck has much fluff in there
zealous wedge
you can write a bad permissions plugin pretty easily
hidden lance
#paper-help innabit
golden gust
Not really hard, just, like, don't deal with your own perms
tame lantern
assuming my smp doesnt have hackers it should be pretty easy right?
ripe sphinx
<#289587909051416579> innabit
don't cross-channel bump -_-
dim shadow
is it that hard to code?
id say its on the easy end of the spectrum
zealous wedge
nope
dim shadow
was a bit harder for me cause i skipped the course on multithreading lol so everything was like raaaaaawr concurrent modification
ripe sphinx
assuming my smp doesnt have hackers it should be pretty easy right?
Everyone here including the maintainer of PermissionsEX is telling you it's a bad idea.
hidden lance
don't cross-channel bump -_-
innabit
tame lantern
my logic is to have this file where it stores all of the user names of the players who have whatever role(or store it by their uuid)
dim shadow
yeah sounds like a simple ranking plugin just like mine... aint nothin wrong wit that
golden gust
I mean, ranking is generally trivial
dim shadow
for example i rank ppl based on hours played, balance, and votes... how would i do all that with just luckperms
golden gust
thing is to just, like, use the LP api or something
don't write your own perm management
golden gust
No, use the API of a proper perm plugin
ripe sphinx
Like a lot of LP is dealing with the fact that on the average server there can be several thousand permission checks a second
tame lantern
icic, i just want 3 ranks, member admin and owner
dim shadow
yea that xD luckperm api
golden gust
bukkit perms are super limited and don't even support the trivial things like wildcards which people want
zealous wedge
well, it's also relatively easy to write something specialized for your server
golden gust
if you don't want rankups, just, seriously, use a perm plugin
dim shadow
member admin owner...? k u can do that wit just luckperms LOL
golden gust
LP has been well tested in the community
zealous wedge
the hard part is fully supporting each platform and its api quirks (mostly bukkit)
ripe sphinx
waterdrink: Yes?
zealous wedge
and being able to support the special needs of each server
golden gust
if you want stuff like wildcard perms, what you can do with the API is going to be severely limited
spiral robin
tl;dr it's really easy to shoot yourself in the foot with bad design decisions e...
hello zml 
zealous wedge
hi aber!
topaz mortar
you can write a bad permissions plugin pretty easily
And you can refactor one so that you'll have 447k additions and 356k deletions.
golden gust
Guys, am looking for support with pex, wut do?
dim shadow
download pex api
spiral robin
spam ping and dm zml
zealous wedge
PR bugfix
topaz mortar
cat stop or die the PEX dead.
dim shadow
i was partial to permissionsbukkit before luckperms was a thing
dim shadow
i used pb for years lol then i went to jail and when i came back it didnt work anymore so i switched to luckyperm but it turned out i was just being dum and using wrong version of it
luckperms is aight tho
oh and then i found out it had a gui too, ive got used to that now lol
web gui
ripe sphinx
LPWeb ❤️
dim shadow
yes vry handy on the web
peak ginkgo
I've always loved groupmanager because it made the most sense (before LP)
man then u or g, add or del
zealous wedge
https://github.com/zml2008/GroupManager/ ah yes groupmanager
hm, pex2 is at just over 20k lines
golden gust
the towny guy is actually maintaining GM now
dim shadow
tahts a awful lot of lines
ripe sphinx
I was waiting for when zml/GroupManager would make an appearance lol
golden gust
He's basicall hard lining towny support for GM last I saw
tame lantern
are there any free server hosts that allow your own plugins?
ripe sphinx
tahts a awful lot of lines
LP's in the 100,000 range currently
dim shadow
O_O
ripe sphinx
yup
merry talon
it has a shitload of features
ripe sphinx
Luck has spent a lot of time making sure everything is optimized + all the features
merry talon
I'll bet the storage engines take a lot of that
peak ginkgo
Okay, zml's funny I just figured out why it's GroupManager forked from LuckPerms
ripe sphinx
Probably Sweepy, not sure
dim shadow
well i mean i thought essentials was gonna be tiny then i go in the source and its like files upon files upon packages upon classes like dam son
zealous wedge
essentials contains many things that are not essential
peak ginkgo
Essentials, and some other stuff.
merry talon
need essentials lite
ripe sphinx
ActualEssentials
peak ginkgo
SimpleEssentials
zealous wedge
the problem is what's "essential" differs a lot from server to server
peak ginkgo
merry talon
oh no
peak ginkgo
I'd make an EssentialsX joke but...
zealous wedge
like back in CommandBook, whether or not to add warps was a whole debate
peak ginkgo
EssentialsXX
zealous wedge
EssentialsEx
dim shadow
i liked when they added /tpr
zealous wedge
ah yes
peak ginkgo
/slapping players was my favorite hobby
merry talon
I'm partial to /antioch
peak ginkgo
/beezooka
merry talon
and /kittycannon
zealous wedge
hm, i wonder why /spawnmob counted as "fun"
dim shadow
and why is it explosion
zealous wedge
zealous wedge
ah yeah, that got some people upset lol
dim shadow
wait wut
peak ginkgo
I always thought it was weird, I was too young to question it
dim shadow
they killed all the animals wit a grenade wut
zealous wedge
the joke only works if you realize the cute asian boy is sk
topaz mortar
Sk89q nearly 8 years out if MC business.
dim shadow
aint that worldedit/guard guy
zealous wedge
he has worn many hats
dim shadow
but he is no longer wearing hats?
tropic flame
LuckEssentials
zealous wedge
as if luck has time :p
tropic flame
remember when EssentialsX was about to get discontinued because md_5 refused them to put a paywall on the resources page
dim shadow
a paywall? wot
topaz mortar
Played on Alice and Vincent back then and was a mod there for some time.
dim shadow
they wanted an essxpremium or somethin?
ripe sphinx
sounds like drtshock lol
tropic flame
they basically wanted the spigot page to have a paid download as a sort of "more visible donation" while the CI builds would remain free
at some point there was an EssentialsY
golden gust
Many projects wanna do that and it makes a lot of sense
imagine being a project as widely used as essentials and I doubt even being given the cash to get a cup of coffee each month
tropic flame
true
dim shadow
most ppl would still go with the free downloads tho lol
golden gust
Yea, but, enough would pay for it to justify working on it
potent fossil
or, and hear me out, in this community, MANY people who show up here and try to rebuke the team for accepting cash at all
tropic flame
i think that was md_5's reasoning for refusing them that option
potent fossil
been there and done that shit
ripe sphinx
Many plugins use the Freemium model
dim shadow
i guess another con would be it would change the overall feel of the website if now everything is a paid download button
idk how much tho i could be trippin
limber knotBOT
every time I see how much bank premium ploogenz make, it tempts me to go premium with GP lul
golden gust
md's reasoning was basically the argument of the current ess devs not being the original team and the number of contributors to the project
wraith trail
I might just be dumb, but how does anyone other than plugin developers make money off of spigot?
golden gust
meanwhile, pandawire
potent fossil
"you're taking money for this? are you kidding? pulls up invalid licensing arguments, goes on about how people need real jobs and kids can't pay mc developer salaries, etc etc etc. Either they criticize that you even take money or they don't but never donate anyway. Overall just problems
formal turret
the people running the servers
zealous wedge
md makes money off spigot from donations
formal turret
and selling loot crates
limber knotBOT
sulu: spigot has ads for non-logged in users
dim shadow
"other than plugin devs"? wot
dim shadow
oh md5 idk ads maybe?
golden gust
offering name changes for donations
limber knotBOT
but afaik it's not really profit lol
zealous wedge
like the reason spigot exists today is because people would rather pay spigot than re-write their plugins for an actually good platform
tropic flame
you mean free name changing if you pay for the optional price?
golden gust
still waiting for an actually good platform
wraith trail
all of mc seems to kinda suck
zealous wedge
paper hard fork wen
formal turret
i want to see a fabric server api :>
wraith trail
like not even apis and stuff, just the community as a whole
dim shadow
like not even apis and stuff, just the community as a whole
woah woah wat
tropic flame
yeah you can just make server-only mods with fabric
dim shadow
wahts wrong wit community ;-; tehse ppl r awesom
tropic flame
as you also can with forge
ripe sphinx
~~still waiting for an actually good platform~~
When you guys get Hangar finished, the entire community will rejoice
zealous wedge
as you also can with forge
well, forge since 1.8 lol :p
wraith trail
theres a lot of awesome people, but just so much bullshit
tropic flame
I mean Sponge's Ore is kinda cool
formal turret
imo whats interesting is i've seen more plugins port to fabric than i'd really ever seen from forge
zealous wedge
fml used to require being on both sides for the handshake
fabric has snapshot support on its side
tropic flame
i mean true but i think 1.8 is old enough for the generalization to hold lmfao
zealous wedge
plus you can just mixin as needed to do things, rather than PR a full API
dim shadow
mojang needs to fix pvp so 1.8 and 1.9 players can come together once again
i hate that divide
zealous wedge
what's broken about PVP?
ripe sphinx
hur dur spamclick go brr
dim shadow
idk, ask the huge playerbase playing on 1.8 servers for the old pvp
ripe sphinx
people have a problem with the fact that pvp actually requires skill now or something
tropic flame
1.8 pvp mechanics were underdeveloped, mojang developed them and now old players are sad :c
tropic flame
people have a problem with the fact that pvp actually requires skill now or some...
BUT ARTHRITIS == SKILL
wraith trail
click speed changing who wins is super dumb, but 1.9 pvp is even stupider imo
golden gust
modern pvp is just a lot slower feeling
dim shadow
im not saying go back to 1.8, im saying re-do pvp in a way that more players can agree that its a good pvp system
limber knotBOT
click to win
golden gust
Like, it's not entirely the mechanics but how slow it feels
limber knotBOT
we need more ranged weapons
dim shadow
pull a 1.9 all over again but this time make more ppl happy
golden gust
even just bumping up the speeds a bit made my players muuuuch happier
tropic flame
yes we need spiked eggs
dim shadow
cat thats part of the mechanics tho
limber knotBOT
melee will never make sense until vr and even then you don't get proper feedback
it's still faster than other close combat pvp games
tropic flame
pls mojang add spiked egg
golden gust
I mean, inproving one configurable aspect of pvp makes pvp much more enjoyable
the entire overall behavior doesn't change, but, defo makes it feel less slow af paced
formal turret
i mean it's not just that they can't spam click anymore
because you can just disable that...
it's perceived animation differences too
dim shadow
it's perceived animation differences too
plz elaborate? i interested
limber knotBOT
yeah, they should speed up the animation that happens when you click
formal turret
i don't know, i don't pvp anymore so i don't keep up with the whining of 1.8 pvpers
but animation differences was one of the things they complained about
knockback too i believe
tropic flame
for me they should remove pvp, minecraft become coop game /s
dim shadow
nah pvp is bae
i run "pvp" server but it's 1.16 so of course no one even pvp's
buncha farmers and commercial horse dealers
tropic flame
I've never got that interested in the PvP mechanics lol I've always been more into survival, building, and mods
limber knotBOT
already exists logics lol
tropic flame
so meh
limber knotBOT
server properties
dim shadow
what about server propertys
tame lantern
are there any free server hosts that allow custom jars?
limber knotBOT
need guns natively in minecraft
formal turret
imo they actually screwed up bows in 1.9 from 1.8
topaz mortar
I'm into pve
limber knotBOT
so I can drop the junk that is crackshot
ripe sphinx
are there any free server hosts that allow custom jars?
free
good
pick one
tropic flame
i only like "/kill" pvp. who's the fastest at /kill'ing the other?
dim shadow
I really only like bow pvp in minecraft
also an archer here lol, yeah with bow its more skill involved than just like ping n shit with melee
formal turret
bow pvp was my favorite way to fight
dim shadow
i pwn n00bs with bow in hypixel
tame lantern
> free
> good
pick one
i just want one that lets me add custom jars
topaz mortar
so I can drop the junk that is crackshot
Develop your own weapons plugin.
ripe sphinx
Exactly. Doesn't exist.
formal turret
in 1.9 my arrows would have some extra upwards momentum if I was hit causing me to miss my shot that didn't exist in 1.8