You get what you pay for
#general
ripe sphinx
tame lantern
😐 time to keep my computer on 24/7 then
dim shadow
i mean if ur looking for free ur probs not looking for too big, y dont u self host?
yea ther u go lol
limber knotBOT
tame lantern
i mean if ur looking for free ur probs not looking for too big, y dont u self ho...
i want people from different timezones to be able to join too sooooo
dim shadow
ur always gonna be tied to a timezone regardless of where u host... its only a problem if ur in the middle of nowhere lol
tame lantern
what?
limber knotBOT
free is only good for private servers
dim shadow
aint no shame in home host, i did at first before ppl started payin me to get new shit
limber knotBOT
if you're going public, you gotta get something good somewhere
homehost is fine if private
if public, you're just asking for trouble to your home internet
tame lantern
its semi private its between my online friends
dim shadow
oh ur good then
limber knotBOT
ok if just for your friends you're good
dim shadow
but yea ddos is common even small servers
limber knotBOT
well ddos at home isn't gonna be received nicely by any of the involved parties
dim shadow
in my case it's always from 🇨🇳 or 🇰🇷 or 🇨🇴 idk who i dont have any players from there
halcyon narwhal
i need help
ripe sphinx
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
halcyon narwhal
its the same problem
tame lantern
so do i go and buy some crappy computer online and have backups everyday and hope it doesnt ?die cause i keep it online 24/7
halcyon narwhal
i uploaded a world to my server but all my stuff is gone
dim shadow
so do i go and buy some crappy computer online and have backups everyday and hop...
yes
halcyon narwhal
why did all my stuff get deleted
tame lantern
it can but im not allowed to keep it on 24/7
dim shadow
i been keepin pc on 24/7 for liek 20+ years and only blew 1 power supply so id say most pcs are fine with it
halcyon narwhal
i uploaded a world to my server but my stuff was gone
dim shadow
o dam nvm then
tame lantern
unless ur main pc can handle it idk what specs u have
Intel i5-9600k, and 16 gb ram, and 500 gb ssd storage(466 actually)
dim shadow
ive ran small servers on worse LOL
tame lantern
can a macbook pro from 2016 work? (dont know specs)
dim shadow
16 gigs not bad tho
tame lantern
just at most 20 players
dim shadow
i uploaded a world to my server but my stuff was gone
uploaded how?
dim shadow
just at most 20 players
oh 20? dam LOL u might need to look at ur internet speed too
dim shadow
like i uploaded a world i played onto my server
a singleplayer world?
halcyon narwhal
well
i first uploaded it to aternos
then i uploaded the aternos worrld to my own server
and i lost my stuff
tame lantern
oh 20? dam LOL u might need to look at ur internet speed too
1000 mb/sec (i think is mb)
halcyon narwhal
but the chests still have loot
dim shadow
but the chests still have loot
oh its cus player files r handled differently in single vs multiplayer
so no inventories
twin lagoon
only gaming or workstation laptops have removable batteirs
easily removable ones atleast
halcyon narwhal
ohhh
dim shadow
1000 mb/sec (i think is mb)
upstream?
tropic flame
wtf
halcyon narwhal
can i fix that
tropic flame
at least phones have the stupid excuse of having to be waterproof
now why would I want a waterproof laptop?
twin lagoon
it's for design
obviously, you can still open up a laptop and remove the battery
that's not an issue
dim shadow
can i fix that
idk ;-;
halcyon narwhal
oof
meager tusk
now why would I want a waterproof laptop?
I'd pull up that screenshot of that guy underwater using a laptop but I don't have it
twin lagoon
that's great unfortunately companies don't care about you
wraith trail
oof
You can, however for you just put your stuff in a chest in singleplayer and load it on the server.
halcyon narwhal
ill have to tell all my friends to store all their loot in chests
halcyon narwhal
great ok
tropic flame
the majority prefers to be an idiot i see
halcyon narwhal
ill try
meager tusk
design gets money tho lol
halcyon narwhal
also
meager tusk
see: apple
twin lagoon
the majority prefers to be an idiot i see
pretty much
dim shadow
id google it first, maybe theres a easier trick for it
quick pasture
where do i put aikar's flags
Message ur host
halcyon narwhal
im self hosting
wraith trail
so you know the start.bat I had you create?
quick pasture
java -jar paper.jar nogui
wraith trail
put it in there.
quick pasture
Put it before the -jar
dim shadow
anyone else think of plugins as coming in nicely packaged jars?
halcyon narwhal
-Xms10G -Xmx10G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs -Daikars.new.flags=true is this the code
wraith trail
yes, but go to #paper-help
halcyon narwhal
ok
dim shadow
yiss but u forgot the end part about -jar
spiral robin
startmc.sh moment
left swift
hi 
ashen cliff
True chads use COM1.
potent fossil
just randomly had a post on my FB from 2017 delete and i got tempbanned for 30 days
but then magically im un-tempbanned
dim shadow
True chads use COM1.
lol i actually wanted to turn a old ass laptop into a server console thru serial lol
but then it sent ass thru the cable so i was liek meh and stuck wit non-chad stuff
ashen cliff
Had fun transferring Ethernet drivers to a Windows 98 machine via Serial.
At least I didn't have to use IR.
dim shadow
lol ive literally never fucked wit th ir port ._.
how tf do u even use that LOL do u just make the ports face each other? like wut
left swift
cat
golden gust
it's like, beamy data transfering
golden gust
IR is a blast
dim shadow
what r the speeds like?
left swift
like a spark gap but with data
golden gust
dialup was probably faster
dim shadow
oooo LOL
ashen cliff
Don't touch the table or that MP3 will never transfer.
Imagine scratching the top of your phone.
dim shadow
rippp
ashen cliff
Bluetooth was epic back in the day. Playing 4 players games on phones for 4 hours straight.
dim shadow
lol im sure it musta been for ppl wit frends
blutooth need to step up doe like its 2021 y do i have to search for optimal spot in 3d space just to transfer some files from mi phone
ashen cliff
MFW someone was moving my car in the morning and my phone auto connected to it... 2 walls and 15m away.
WHY IS MY SOUND GONE!?
dim shadow
:IIII
potent fossil
k
tame lantern
whats that
limber knotBOT
dim shadow
the people in 🇨🇳 and 🇰🇷 that go around lookin for tiny mom & pops servers to throw themselves at
idk who they are or why they do it but they exist & they do do it
potent fossil
??? they dont necessarily live in those countries, all you need is access to a device farm, which may be partially or entirely located in those countries
tame lantern
are there any ways tp avoid these attacks?
potent fossil
it's people who want you to go down, so they get a lot of devices to start sending you traffic, and then your server can't handle that much traffic so it stops working (ELI5)
prevent it: TCPShield
dim shadow
yeah every1 knows theyre all 🇷🇺 but idk ive only gotten confirmation as far as the attack devices
ashen cliff
Forever Free.
potent fossil
really prevent it: TCPShield + Dedi that is not homehosted
Idk why we're throwing nationalities around
dim shadow
i like 🇺🇾 🇺🇸 🇬🇭 flag emotes ok
tame lantern
it's people who want you to go down, so they get a lot of devices to start sendi...
i dont think peopel want my computer to go down right?
potent fossil
They asked what a DDoS is, not your opinions about where they're coming from our personal feelings about it
dim shadow
i dont think peopel want my computer to go down right?
yes they do
potent fossil
i dont think peopel want my computer to go down right?
Your regular players might not, but other people do. Because they think it is funny.
dim shadow
ur server's not even up theyre alredy aiming their loic's at ur house
dim shadow
gasps
but yea i got a tiny server (peak hours: 4 players) and i get ddosed a few times a year... thank lawd i got a host that catches em tho
i was & still am really surprised that that happens
tame lantern
Your regular players might not, but other people do. Because they think it is fu...
oh well how do they find me?
potent fossil
Port scanning
limber knotBOT
buh
potent fossil
"Oh, this IP block belongs to this residential internet provider? Let me scan it for open ports. Oh, look, a minecraft server."
attacks
dim shadow
yea man they get ur ip from google or whoever's out ther selling raw ip's then they look in port 25566, find out u have a server, get all jealous & call the farm in china
tame lantern
oh... and what will happen when they do?
limber knotBOT
ur internet go down
tame lantern
for how long?
olive marlin
but yea i got a tiny server (peak hours: 4 players) and i get ddosed a few times...
I have a bigger server, and never had a single DoS attack in years for some reason, unless OVH and previous providers protected it well without anyone noticing.
limber knotBOT
as long as they keep attacking
dim shadow
& sometimes ur isp gets mad & blames u for it
true canyon
yea man they get ur ip from google or whoever's out ther selling raw ip's then t...
What even are you talking about.
potent fossil
Then your internet goes down until you go to your provider and ask for a new IP address to be assigned (if rebooting router doesn't get a new IP)
This waterdrink person is like, 95% a troll.
dim shadow
What even are you talking about.
o sry 25565
tame lantern
can i use a vpn or somthing?
dim shadow
tcpshield like some1 already said, ive heard good things abut it
limber knotBOT
yea u can
tropic flame
o sry 25565
i don't think that's why they asked-
potent fossil
I mean, sure, but at that point you're paying for a vpn. Why not just pay for a proper host or tcpshield at that point
true canyon
o sry 25565
No no, the entire rambling about google or anyone else "selling raw IP"s
limber knotBOT
yea
dim shadow
No no, the entire rambling about google or anyone else "selling raw IP"s
thats how they got his ip if its not even a public server
potent fossil
no, it's not
you can get a public ip block to scan and just...scan it
magic, i know right
you dont have to buy shit or scrape google or anything
true canyon
thats how they got his ip if its not even a public server
It's best not to speculate about something you do not understand and then speak those speculations as fact.
tame lantern
so are there any free ways to prevent these attacxks?
potent fossil
No
tame lantern
im pretty cheap lmfao
dim shadow
well u dont know either tho, they MAY hav bought em from google
tame lantern
crapz
golden gust
There are literally sites which scan the whole internet
potent fossil
Hosts provide this protection as part of their service
golden gust
and, ddos mitigation is costly af to providers as they gotta pay for bandwidth and shit
tropic flame
not hosting the server is a free way 
potent fossil
So, you either go without it and hope you fly under the radar or just buy a host.
tame lantern
I have a nord vpn account can i use that?
golden gust
it's not a free service for them to offer
No
nord is not a VPN in the true sense of a VPN
dim shadow
just get a nfoservers cheapo plan $9.99/mo
potent fossil
Nord doesn't do port forwarding afaik, AirVPN does tho
dim shadow
good company
golden gust
it's an obfuscation network
tame lantern
dude im about to jump off a cliff in minecraft
potent fossil
But again, if you'd pay for a vpn just go pay for tcpshield or an actual host
true canyon
I dunno man all these internet celebrities promised me I'd be all VPN'd with NOOOOOOOOOORD vpn
dim shadow
u got a problem wit papar?
tame lantern
so theoretically anyone can murder my wifi right now cause connected to the iternet
potent fossil
you need an opened port
true canyon
Murder your wifi, no. The wifi would stay up just fine.
dim shadow
wait a minute... this begs the question... if i run a museum server from home how come that hasnt gotten ddosed
potent fossil
^ that too, the actual internet connection however would be essentially down
(to mbax)
tropic flame
you need an opened port
not very hard, wouldn't a program that uses UPnP suffice that requirement?
uTorrent would do
potent fossil
yes, if you have an opened port, which upnp does
dim shadow
utorrent port open is optional doe
potent fossil
i just try not to guess about people's environments
tame lantern
i am confused af rn
digital ruin
Do you think that with 1.17 the chunk system will get worse?
potent fossil
put short:
- you can home host, but you need some protection like a real VPN (not Nord) or something like TCPShield
- you could use a real host instead
dim shadow
Do you think that with 1.17 the chunk system will get worse?
id bet money any new version makes the chunk system worse
tropic flame
Do you think that with 1.17 the chunk system will get worse?
yes, just use Indev, it saves chunks with y1024 of height limit just fine lmao
tame lantern
put short:
- you can home host, but you need some protection like a *real* VPN (...
how about the one mojang provides
dim shadow
how about the one mojang provides
ur stuck wit vanilla tho u cant use paper
potent fossil
how about the one mojang provides
realms? it's fine if you want just regular vanilla minecraft but if you want paper, which you're in the discord for, then no
tame lantern
frick
olive marlin
You want to host for friends?
dim shadow
tbh if i was u id just homehost & just call it quits if u do get ddosed
tropic flame
tbh if i was u id just homehost & just call it quits if u do get ddosed
except if his ISP forbids hosting for public purposes on their ToS
tame lantern
tbh if i was u id just homehost & just call it quits if u do get ddosed
not in the mood of having a long convo with my parents
dim shadow
get ur friends to pay u cash so u cn afford a host
potent fossil
is your budget below even these? https://extravm.com/minecraft.php
tame lantern
get ur friends to pay u cash so u cn afford a host
they broke like me
tame lantern
is your budget below even these? https://extravm.com/minecraft.php
I dont really like the idea of paying monthly
dim shadow
then make server public so u get rich friends 😄
tame lantern
or i could wait till im 16 and go get a job lmfao
potent fossil
You could pay them a year in advance :^)
tame lantern
You could pay them a year in advance :^)
and go broke 🙂
potent fossil
from $13?
tame lantern
its ok, i guess ill just be vulnerable
olive marlin
Can'tHuman get 4 people, 0.50$ each/month.
tropic flame
just stop paying for Netflix and get your movies from the seven seas so you can pay your server /s
peak ginkgo
Ngrok I guess
potent fossil
I mean, if you're in this position, why don't you instead just find a server to play as a group and make a guild or faction or party or whatever they've got?
peak ginkgo
ngrok tcp 25565
dim shadow
lol yea nothing beats variety of seven seas
potent fossil
Yeah, the problem is they don't want to be vulnerable to attacks. But I suppose the attack vector is much reduced if you change the IP every time you want to play. 
tame lantern
I mean, if you're in this position, why don't you instead just find a server to ...
I like to be independent and create everrything i can
potent fossil
Okay, well, you need to make trade offs then lol.
tame lantern
yep
potent fossil
Home host but accept there is a chance of attack, or pay for protection
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Good luck.
dim shadow
i extend offer of asylum to u & friends if u want a server 2 chill on till u can get urs up
dim shadow
nah jus husslin lol i aint postin no ip here
tame lantern
can the first option work lmfao https://tcpshield.com/plans
potent fossil
yes
olive marlin
Can'tHuman your best bet is probably self-hosting with free TCPShield plan.
potent fossil
I didn't know they had a free tier anymore.
tame lantern
wiat, the free plan will work?
potent fossil
But yes, works fine.
olive marlin
Yes, free plan works just fine.
tame lantern
ayyyyy tysm for yalls help
olive marlin
You need to have a domain to use it though.
olive marlin
Idk if the free "reverse domains" will work, but they should.
Well, no.
You need to set CNAME record iirc. So you need domain.
Looks like Awesome-CV template project got abandoned :/
Time to find what new templates are available out there.
void void
hey, asking here because there's a lot of smart people here
so let's say i registered the domain theminebench.com on namecheap, then it expired, and i registered theminebench.com on porkbun instead
then i resetup my email to be me@theminebench.com but it's on porkbun instead of namecheap
will all the services I used back when me@theminebench.com was on namecheap still send emails even though it's now on porkbun
golden gust
email is email
true canyon
Define services sending emails a little more clearly. Did those services send using your namecheap email details, or were they sending using their own service and authorized to send as your domain.
void void
well
golden gust
assuming you're using the same mail server, or have everything setup, it will work
but, a blanket comment on such a thing is not something we can say
void void
let's say i registered a minecraft account on me@theminebench.com while it was on namecheap
true canyon
Because if you gave a site a namecheap email server address...
golden gust
Yes
it's a domain, which points to the mail servers
the sites don't care where you host that stuff
void void
right so if my email me@tmb.com was using namecheap's mail servers and i registered me@tmb.com on minecraft.net
golden gust
assuming that you setup the mail server and the correct addresses, stuff will work
void void
will minecraft.net not send emails anymore if me@tmb.com is using porkbun
golden gust
minecraft.net does not give a shit where your mail server is so long as it can resolve it at the time it tries to send it
true canyon
I misread it as "I have a service that sends emails as me" in which case there's doubt. But that's not at all what you're talking about, so you're fine.
dim shadow
lol i registered an account with a self hosted email addy
then had to reconfigure a mail server from scratch years later cause i needed to migrate acct
wtf is that
golden gust
There are reasons why we say that hosting your own email is generally dumb
dim shadow
it was actually a redirect the first time, second time it was easier to just host local since i just needed 1 email
magic river
dim shadow
nvm postfix still runnin & collecting spam lol
maybe ill have enough for a 21st century spam archive soem day when im old idk
merry cave
anyone know a decent daily login reward plugin?
merry talon
I would also go as far as to say using your own domain for personal accounts is dumb
spare venture
why
golden gust
annd if you forget to renew your domain and lose access to the email?
forest verge
golden gust
CPU usage is a useless metric
golden gust
.g cpu usage is a bad metric
limber knotBOT
limber knotBOT
do do
zealous wedge
me, this entire year
unreal quarry
its a little cold
golden gust
what can we say, proxi loves it hairy
formal turret
yup very cold in texas
golden gust
My mind is in a very dark place today 😄
potent fossil
cat pls
formal turret
lel our fridge broke last night but it's so cold outside we could just put all the food out there so nothing really went bad
limber knotBOT
lucky for cat, I have a hammer on my table for when he gets close
golden gust
kinky
limber knotBOT
potent fossil
golden gust
no comment
formal turret
bruh there is an actual inch of snow on the ground where i am in texas
never seen that much snow before lmao
magic river
potent fossil
👀
cosmic raft
what is that from?
magic river
Starlink ToS
golden gust
figured it was a musk thing
potent fossil
I like the idea behind it, but, it could go sour
runic shale
Quick question. I noticed on a server I am developer on chunks load very slowly is there a way to fix that?
zealous wedge
elon fucking musk lol
limber knotBOT
hi zml <3
zealous wedge
hi proxi awa
potent fossil
Quick question. I noticed on a server I am developer on chunks load very slowly ...
pre-generation
golden gust
depends on why they're loading slowly
potent fossil
it's pretty much a non-fix-fix...basically, load all your chunks before you let any players on with a plugin like Chunky. Let it lag like shit before any players are on
golden gust
Like, sometimes the client is just being flooded with packets that it basically breaks the system because of how fast chunks are actually loading
sometimes something stalls the loading queue, e.g. other things loading chunks, vanilla lighting system being ass, etc
if the TPS is low, that will impact how fast chunks can be posted, etc
spiral robin
hi
spiral robin
zml do you know anyone currently attending bcit
limber knotBOT
i don't aber
spiral robin
ok
limber knotBOT
i know people who have attented bcit tho
spiral robin
ah
limber knotBOT
when are you attending proxi zml meetup where we bake and stuff™️?
spiral robin
I wanna make friends outside of my cohort is why I ask :p
limber knotBOT
o are u going there?
spiral robin
yeah
spiral robin
CIT
limber knotBOT
I don't even know the rules for how closed it is
canada border is pretty closed
oh fancy aber
limber knotBOT
am glad, tho yeah that is how school doe
come say hi if you ever do in-person school!
limber knotBOT
Individuals with documented family connection, such as spouse, common-law partner, partner or child, to a Swedish citizen, EEA* citizen
just marry me, zml!
wide pond
i will also be there in the fall
spiral robin
Wait really
peak ginkgo
marriage list
spiral robin
dejay 
golden gust
just coax zml with julmust
minor badge
@peak ginkgo 😳
limber knotBOT
for some reason all swedes love it
golden gust
Used to date this crazy swedish girl
limber knotBOT
stupid people
golden gust
who is now a crazy swedish guy, long story
peak ginkgo
you gais
golden gust
I mean, they also like rotten fish, soooo
I SWEAR IF IJ LOCKS UP ONCE MORE IMMA SCREAM
limber knotBOT
just realised that both people in that picture have their eyes wide open
peak ginkgo
They know
waxen panther
<@194861788926443520> 😳
this is why im watching mori instead of vc'ing with u .
limber knotBOT
that is extremely uncomfortable
golden gust
Hey proxi, wanna kiss as we gaze into one anothers eyes?
spiral robin
@waxen panther @waxen panther 
limber knotBOT
no
waxen panther
@spiral robin 🥺 
golden gust
IJ, WE GON HAVE ISSUES
waxen panther
@cunning raft 
bright inlet
Kernel 5.11 is out?
spiral robin
mememachine
limber knotBOT
5.11-rc7 is the newest
zealous wedge
concerning
limber knotBOT
whereas I am running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on an EOL kernel 🤔
wonder why they thought that'd be a good idea
bright inlet
That's the thing, the one on AUR doesn't have the -rc suffix. That's what puzzles me
limber knotBOT
it's just wrong; kernel.org says 5.11-rc7
zealous wedge
smh linus
zealous wedge
cringe
left swift
Hi
limber knotBOT
nomana will always simp for poki
olive garden
okay, enough paper for today
golden gust
One of us, one of us, one of us
waxen panther
@left swift
left swift
I dont associate with weebs 
potent fossil
Yo brocc, throwback to using caffeine and the condundrum about getting stuff saved in onDisable b/c we hold it all in cache while server runs. I'm having issues with data loss due to this and wanna save more often, so I was thinking of expiring more often using an after write (rather than last read) policy and in the removal listener just loading it again as long as the player is still online. but dunno if that's a great idea or not
spiral robin
@potent fossil 
potent fossil
henlo aber <3
ooo hmm, wonder if the reason im getting data loss is not indeed that but an exception
Note that any exceptions thrown by the RemovalListener are logged (using Logger) and swallowed.
but then why wouldn't I be getting those log messages in paper? it has Logger doesn't it?
potent fossil
o really
huh i wonder if im suppressing them somehow
i think its bc im opening and closing a connection for each save, need to do a transaction to fully block
waxen panther
everywhere !
potent fossil
:o
limber knotBOT
broccolai not asleep?
waxen panther
TRYING
limber knotBOT
lecture in 3 hours?
waxen panther
bright inlet
sweet
twin lagoon
that is awfully slow
limber knotBOT
He probably doesn't have make flags set, so it'd be -j1 :p
limber knotBOT
You don't need to modify them, just set MAKEFLAGS="-j$(nproc)" in env
twin lagoon
should also set the march
limber knotBOT
Oh right
ashen cliff
It do be like that sometimes:
https://posili.me/i/2021-02-15_09-38-18.png
twin lagoon
krusic are you downloading linux isos
ashen cliff
26k of them left, yeah.
olive marlin
Krusic is downloading every torrent in existence.
ashen cliff
I still need something faster to download all this on.
ashen cliff
VPS
merry talon
linode is 40g
potent fossil
kick doesn't call PlayerQuitEvent right
twin lagoon
simple 
ashen cliff
Internet speed isn't even an issue here.
twin lagoon
i don't know
potent fossil
ok fine i love u
vernal moth
It should simple
ashen cliff
https://hostsolutions.ro/servere-dedicate/servere-dedicate-stocare <:KEKWHYPER:6...
Still more expensive than Hetzner.
vernal moth
Quit even even has a reason kicked iirc
potent fossil
bright inlet
He probably doesn't have make flags set, so it'd be `-j1` :p
Nah, I am using all the threads. It's just that my CPU isn't exactly a Ryzen 9
potent fossil
ok wtf, well in onDisable i use Player#kickPlayer and the PlayerQuitEvent isn't called BUT the kick message I specified is
but if I use /kick in game then it is called
ashen cliff
INB4 some ASync BS going on.
olive marlin
Maybe kick is processed next tick instead of immediately or something, so your plugin disables before event is called?
cosmic raft
lol simple
bright inlet
have you modified makepkg flags
cosmic raft
of course it won't get called
listeners are unregistered when the plugin is disabled
potent fossil
i wan die
golden gust
hey,I ain't gonna stop ya
potent fossil
i need to get the player inventory fast af as thats all im trying to save lmao but player is always null too soon :(
ashen cliff
Just block the main thread. 
potent fossil
yes kash? 🥺
olive garden
I think you can move your code from onDisable to PluginDisableEvent and it will work
but your system seems to have logic flaws, so fixing that is probably better
potent fossil
I have a plugin that when players log in, a database resource is loaded into memory and held in cache. On shutdown, I need to dump that cache and save everything. Part of the data I need to save is the player's inventory, but when I go to get their inventory the player is already null.
olive garden
so get the inventory sync instead of async?
cosmic raft
code
olive garden
Collections.synchronizedList(new ArrayList<>(playerDataCache.asMap().values())) 
potent fossil
that IS because the cache is async and i have to get all the shit out of it as a sync map
golden gust
if you're relying on the quit event, that won't fire as the server ain't ticking
event listeners are removed after onDisable is called
olive marlin
Kashike I have a question about bibliothek - there's no API guarantee that every returned version has to have at least one build, right?
potent fossil
im not, this stuff is called starting in onDisable
olive garden
the list being synchronized doesn't change anything at all there
cosmic raft
Kashike I have a question about bibliothek - there's no API guarantee that every...
I believe that is correct, yes. But in reality, a version should always have at least one build
[00:52] kashike: listeners are unregistered when the plugin is disabled
[01:03] zzzCat (Don't ping): event listeners are removed after onDisable is called
potent fossil
playerDataCache.asMap() returns a custom map implementation backed by the cache, I have to transform I believe
olive garden
you have already copied the collection before you created the synchronized list
potent fossil
I am, but some are still online when the plugin disables lmao.
olive marlin
Well, there's always that few seconds window after cli inserts new version and before it calculates build changes and inserts them in the DB.
olive garden
therefore you are synchronizing the copy, not the underlying data, which is useless
olive marlin
And the same case is with version _group and version, right?
If they get cached in that very unfortunate moment, it'd cause issues.
potent fossil
just calls Bukkit.getPlayer() using the session's stored UUID
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Kashike I have a question about bibliothek - there's no API guarantee that every...
It's not the end of the world for us to just use an Option tbh
we could also make the stream only return versions with builds 
olive marlin
Well, yes. But could also PR using transaction for the whole insert code :P
Because this desync can happen on different levels.
cosmic raft
just calls Bukkit.getPlayer() using the session's stored UUID
and things like this are why I always store Player itself :p
potent fossil
I thought that was evil
golden gust
no
cosmic raft
evil if you don't know wtf you are doing
golden gust
only an issue if you don't clean up after yourself when players leave
olive garden
just because the code is called in onDisable shouldn't make Bukkit.getPlayer return null
potent fossil
k so long as i make it gtfo when a player logs out properly then its fine
olive marlin
There can be version group without versions, and version without builds...
Potentially also project can exist without version groups and versions :/
cosmic raft
yes simple
potent fossil
k
golden gust
only case for storing UUIDs is persistence across sessions, if you don't need it between sessions, remove it when they leave
olive garden
well, it's not fine in this case
there is an unknown underlying issue
which you would just hide by storing Player instances
potent fossil
and what do you suggest
olive garden
you do not know why Bukkit.getPlayer returns null for an UUID you believe to be valid (aka have an online player linked), you must debug why that's happening
golden gust
I mean, chances are getPlayer ain't the issue at all
olive garden
^^
golden gust
players shouldn't be removed from that until later
olive marlin
It's not the end of the world for us to just use an `Option` tbh
Yes, but I want to do less work.
Jk
golden gust
get your debugger out
untold copper
welp
cosmic raft
@potent fossil did you see the song
potent fossil
wat
cosmic raft
@potent fossil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tScz2rKNv5c
potent fossil
this bops
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array[0]['6'][0].randomString ?
ashen cliff
Problem.
The "6" can be anything and the randomString well... Can also be anything.
merry talon
obj[Object.keys(obj)[0]][0].randomString
but like I don't think you can nest array accessors like that
ashen cliff
Dammit.
bright inlet
kernel.org finally got updated lmao
ashen cliff
Time to make another broken JSON parser.
visual egret
:rieping:
Api is invoked every 10 seconds and then used in the MOTD, but backend of api also went down lol
spiral robin
.
meager tusk
why are you invoking an api for a motd
visual egret
because its connected to a few other things, might as well use api
spiral robin
@meager tusk 
meager tusk
because its connected to a few other things, might as well use api
connected to what
also aber ❤️
ashen cliff
What kind of fancy MOTD do you even have?
visual egret
just some JSON
ashen cliff
INB4 logging pings to a database.
meager tusk
then what is it connected to
like what's so fancy that it needs to connect to "a few other things"
lol
visual egret
remote control panel
visual egret
i dont think ptero supports velocity
twin lagoon
ptero supports anything
meager tusk
cant you define your own shit with ptero
twin lagoon
i just spun up a dont starve together server on ptero
anything with docker it'll support
visual egret
oh
meager tusk
your excuse for rewriting ptero(and probably doing not as good a job) is "I can't use velocity on ptero"?
meager tusk
Oskar moment
ashen cliff
Using anything other than tmux or screen.
meager tusk
Screen is better because it has recently discovered vulnerability.
Balkan engineering.
ashen cliff
Epic.
quasi valley
@cosmic raft https://i.imgur.com/LxVhrP4.png https://i.redd.it/n3nbz8l6wgh61.png (just replace logo with name)
cosmic raft
@quasi valley no
spiral robin
Hi
cosmic raft
gradle = elephant logo
spiral robin
kashike .....
quasi valley
nah I mean the way you come up with names seems like you're outside and at a random point during the day, you point in a random direction and have a new project name 😂
spiral robin
zealous wedge
there is a meaning to everything @quasi valley
quasi valley
that's meaningless to anyone looking at any one of the projects at a first tho 😛
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel uwu
zealous wedge
what should we call it instead, gradle-bullshit?
quasi valley
oh yes please
worn ember
Sounds about right
cosmic raft
nah I mean the way you come up with names seems like you're outside and at a ran...
you're just jealous
quasi valley
mossy vessel
<@!254790994594234370> uwu
spiral robin
@mossy vessel 
mossy vessel
morning
untold copper
olive garden
probs because you have some unread mention
that never happened to me
anything there?
olive garden
your teams is just fucked
you have multiple issues with it, I've never had any lmao
ashen cliff
Yeah. My whole setup is cursed as hell.
At least Discord works 90% out of 50% of the time.
worn ember
Haters will say it's fake
olive garden
Discord is still better than Slack
that shit just decides not to load every so often
and if I don't click buttons (and just open the window) I don't even notice it
and then people get angry if I don't reply, but I never saw the messages in the first place
olive garden
Teams, BigBlueButton, Discord, Canvas, lecturer's own webpage that 1990 wants back
we just use everything
ashen cliff
Same, but we managed to migrate most of them to Teams.
Some just keep using Zoom and some old stuff that still uses Flash.
olive garden
👀
worn ember
we never used zoom
untold copper
zoom sucks
ashen cliff
Welcome to custom QR codes.
worn ember
didnt know chrome supported those
golden gust
I mean, is just qr code
untold copper
imagine using chrome smh
worn ember
sure, but like, why is that a feature tho
ashen cliff
Minecraft also supports QR codes:
untold copper
visual egret
someone scan it
untold copper
limber knotBOT
no
untold copper
ashen cliff
Haters will say it's fake
Actually finally found the picture: https://posili.me/i/2021-02-15_12-42-37.png
My Apple umbrella.
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?warn @void void Ghost pinging is not appreciated in the slightest
leaden oxideBOT
DDVPLO#0001 has been warned. || Ghost pinging is not appreciated in the slightest
golden gust
ashen cliff
He died as he lived. A ...
golden gust
😄
ashen cliff
Just like Cat.
worn ember
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGEiIL1__s>
lmao
topaz mortar
Minecraft also supports QR codes:
<:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
Another way of doing server advertising. 😂
worn ember
mooodddsss krusic be advertising through qr codes 
ashen cliff
INB4 banned before they even check it.
golden gust
?ban @ashen cliff advertising & bringing slav-ness upon this nation community
worn ember
lol
left swift
Papermc 3.0 is to register as a country
ashen cliff
NATION.
left swift
First we must acquire land
golden gust
see y'all on mars?
worn ember
First we must acquire land
lets just bully the brits away and take their land
uno reverse card
left swift
Take cats house and make it paperland
worn ember
Whole world: Covid
New Zealand: idk what ur talking about
https://youtu.be/IKlgBWom45o
left swift
Must be nice living on a small controllable island
worn ember
and have a competent government
worn ember
its taken from your waters anyway
left swift
That was a pretty good one cat so savage today
golden gust
sorry city if you ever see this
left swift
Dw city cant read
worn ember
if he does see this he'll probably start a monologue again
left swift
I hope city finally asked their gym crush to spot their reps for them
left swift
You could always have gotten a haircut just you were too scared to do it
woven otter
city still exists? 
worn ember
its town now
golden gust
meanwhile we have people fined for having a cup of coffee because they wanted to go for a walk in the middle of basically nowhere all because having a cup of coffee is considered a picnic
Goooddd saaaveee ouuur grraccious queen
ashen cliff
Epic.
woven otter
that's fucking that banned word
golden gust
topkek
ashen cliff
Can you legally own knifes yet?
ashen cliff
Can't even have those.
golden gust
god i miss having friends I can do questionable jokes with
worn ember
you can stab someone to death with a sharp pencil tho
woven otter
make new friends then
golden gust
to be fair, the rules aren't that stupid, like, if you have a valid reason to be carrying a knife you're fine so long as you can prove it
But, then you got the police forces across the Uk which literally fucking showed off about confiscating a butter knife
worn ember
i have a knife so i can put butter on my body whenever i feel like it
golden gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY | then again, we also got shit like this
ashen cliff
I was watching that!
worn ember
meanwhile belgian police gets attacked with a machete xD
ashen cliff
2016, 10 pixels, non paid actor.
golden gust
the number of coppers there holy fuck
golden gust
lol
untold copper
what is the entity type of a dropped item?
[18:15:15] [Server thread/INFO] [minecraft/DedicatedServer]: [GamerCool22: Gave 1241234 [Bone Meal] to GamerCool22]
lol rip
golden gust
I mean, one one side it's like, props to them, though we have a loooot of knife crime in the UK, so, they're probs well trained in that
then again, we also got stuff like our police tactics to deal with bike crime
worn ember
imagine getting a machete in your shoulderblade tho, sounds painful
golden gust
So, basically, the police force over here basically had like a no persue rule, if there was a risk to like the people on mopeds, etc, as they didn't injure them
ashen cliff
Parry this you casual.
golden gust
But, then the moped theft gangs ofc saw that as like, "free pass", so, it become a bit of a huge problem
Sooooo... they changed tactic...
worn ember
wtf they're driving on the wrong side of the road /s
ashen cliff
Gotem.
worn ember
lmao dude just peperspraying his back
golden gust
to be fair, that shit is apparently volatile
left swift
Never thought I would see the sentence "moped theft gangs" in my life
golden gust
UK lyf
olive garden
short range flak round
worn ember
"tactical contact"
left swift
If you get robbed by someone on a moped its deserved
olive garden
that's an interesting concept
left swift
Idk what would be worse rampant knife crime or rampant gun crime
worn ember
depends how well you aim ig
left swift
High percentage of gunshot victims live dont they cuz people just potato aim
left swift
We should test it out ded
ashen cliff
We usually just blow them up.
meager tusk
We cuss them out.
left swift
People will adapt to the new meta of attaching butter knives to drones and robbing people remotely
Covid safe robbery
ashen cliff
We cuss them out.
I assume you have that video always on hand?
meager tusk
I assume you have that video always on hand?
Of course bro.
ashen cliff
Bro! Send it.
quasi valley
bro, bro.
meager tusk
Bro. I lied bro.
golden gust
let down
ashen cliff
Bro. You just don't want to send it.
A warn is a small price to pay for 1 min of fun.
left swift
Bro
worn ember
Idriz is a huge dissapointment
ashen cliff
Bro. I have like 5000 videos.
I can send the best part of Turneja tho.
golden gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZ8EkK3eWY | Somebody reminded me of this elsewhere 😄
meager tusk
Bro. I have like 5000 videos.
I can send the best part of Turneja tho.
Send it bro.
quasi valley
thanks gb https://i.imgur.com/OPa5Ivt.png
golden gust
gfdi kneny
ashen cliff
Bro. Instant ban bro!
meager tusk
Dang bro.
meager tusk
They just hate to see it bro.
quasi valley
I swear to god, you're the only person that constantly makes me use the urban dictionary to look up abbreviations 
golden gust
who? me?
quasi valley
ye
quasi valley
thanks ahahaha that's good
golden gust
somebody was basically saying about the antip2w stuff being booted from discord and stuff, and apparently there was some sorta convo's like, acting as if they're the saviours of the community thwarting off evil, and, yea, that be where my mind wandered
quasi valley
fitting indeed 
quasi valley
why do people slam “8d” or these dum numbers on these sort of audios
last I checked we live in 3 dimensional space
warm anchor
Coz higher = better 
golden gust
quasi valley
I think I almost would have watched that more than just 20 seconds
then I reflected on my decisions in life
celest terrace
nice new chrome feature
limber knotBOT
what part of that is new? (I don't use groups)
celest terrace
oh, well for me it says the whole feature is new lol
limber knotBOT
oh, so it only now made it into release chrome? lol
are there tabs hidden in the school group or is that just empty?
celest terrace
haha, no it's hidden
limber knotBOT
oh you can actually minimize groups now, nice
that might get me to actually use them lol
celest terrace
if it's empty it gets deleted
limber knotBOT
because this is getting ridiculous: https://minecraft.ceo/⛏/ghV7WDs0.png xD
celest terrace
I stick the tab never to be used again...
limber knotBOT
oof, but you can't minimize a group and still leave the tab open :S
also why can't there just be an rgb selector for the color lol
woven otter
kneny what about people having open multiple windows with multiple tabs
limber knotBOT
also I wish chrome had the cool group overview feature that the mobile browser or firefox has (or maybe I just don't know how to access it)
that's still me 👀
celest terrace
group overview feature on mobile is also in chrome I think
you mean having multiple tabs of the same site open
limber knotBOT
celest terrace
jep and now if you hide it you can't listen to music anymore? xD
limber knotBOT
no, that doesn't matter
celest terrace
ohh oke, nice.
limber knotBOT
but I don't see a way to access any kind of tab overview
celest terrace
no only works on mobile I think
pulsar wigeon
ff has some panorama addon that works great for grouping. 💯
limber knotBOT
I just whish there was one browser with all the features lol
don't get why vivaldi removed some chromium stuff... it would've been great otherwise
celest terrace
I am happy we at least got over internet explorer now
quasi valley
just make your own, new standard combining everything
pulsar wigeon
chrome is 🚮
bright inlet
don't get why vivaldi removed some chromium stuff... it would've been great othe...
Even chromium removed some chromium stuff kekw
limber knotBOT
I guess, lol. just not the ones I care about
bright inlet
RIP sync
limber knotBOT
I mean... sync is a chrome feature
if you are fine with letting google spy on you just use chrome lol
what I find more annoying is that they tend to force people into new features without flags to disable them :S like on mobile you can't disable the automatic tab grouping in mainline chrome
(the flags seem to only work on chromium/dev chrome builds)
celest terrace
I think it's neat... Especially for certain websites lol
limber knotBOT
it just gets annoying if it auto opens a page in a group when you try to open it in a new tab
(without that tab being in a group before)
it just auto-creates one for you
celest terrace
fair
woven otter
@quasi valley https://i.imgur.com/HPjGQVl.png
limber knotBOT
tf kinds shitty theme is that?
quasi valley
why would you do that 
limber knotBOT
runs
woven otter
tf kinds shitty theme is that?
idk i've had it for years
celest terrace
That image is so confusing
limber knotBOT
is there a hotkey to add a page to a group or something?
viral hornet
whhhhyyy duck
tropic flame
imagine not using firefox
viral hornet
That's so ugly
woven otter
would be nice if tabfs worked with binbows
limber knotBOT
imagine actually trying to use a browser 👀
celest terrace
Firefox feels so much slower
tropic flame
idk how, chromium is the slower one for me tbh
golden gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JUpvgjGNY I forgot how bad the acting was for this entire game 😄
Wesker also lookin' like a slick af ken doll
limber knotBOT
well this definitly helped clean it up: https://i.moep.tv/glTL7ybU.png
merry talon
yeah the tab grouping is some dumb shit
limber knotBOT
my main issue is that firefox doesn't allow automatic searching through sites via the address bar. I don't really like having to manually add search shortcuts for every single site and then remembering them
olive marlin
Firefox has containers which are 🔥
celest terrace
merry talon
what I find more annoying is that they tend to force people into new features wi...
you can if you disable tab grouping entirely
limber knotBOT
I didn't find a way
merry talon
limber knotBOT
(and yes I tried the flags, the ones that work on Chromium didn't work in Chrome)
merry talon
it works for me
merry talon
i actually think it didn't work at first
but then i did something and it started working
limber knotBOT
well if my mother is going to install firefox over this then it's not a loss I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯
merry talon
have you force stopped and restarted?
limber knotBOT
pretty sure I tried that
limber knotBOT
there's really only Lib's Disguises
golden gust
libs 🤷♂️
formal turret
the one that costs money, the original
golden gust
It's also open source too
limber knotBOT
(it's also really easy to unlock the premium functions but that would be a shitty thing to do :P)
(beside the premium stuff is only that the commands are accessible via permisions instead of just op iirc)
golden gust
think that there was some stuff which was paywalled but it was more just super nice features not must have features iirc
limber knotBOT
if you only want to use it's api then it's all available anyways afaik
meh, not having all of those tabs open all the time makes me feel naked somehow lol
golden gust
stupid sexy flanders
celest terrace
I keep accidentally closing them
CTR SHIFT T doesn't seem to work nicely with it
oh nvm it does 😛
limber knotBOT
yeah, it even re-creates a deleted group nice
meanwhile at vivaldi: https://i.phoenix616.dev/ge1RKpSB.png
merry talon
AV software
tropic flame
celest terrace
Haha omg
limber knotBOT
snake oil bullshit
meager tusk
meanwhile at vivaldi: https://i.phoenix616.dev/ge1RKpSB.png
unfortunately vivaldi is a slow piece of garbage