general

[left swift]

I thought my hot tamale joke was funny

[woven otter]

everyone laughed so much that they forgot to reply

[left swift]

Thanks duck

[golden gust]

it's only funny when your mate drops it on his lap

[worn ember]

html tags have no real meaning on their own in most cases

you could try the raw tag but idk how that would behave lol

[vernal moth]

fixed it with css 🤷

[worn ember]

i still dont get wht the issue was but good xD

[vernal moth]

no space between text and link

[golden gust]

smhmh

[worn ember]

looks like there is a space there?

[vernal moth]

on new one

[golden gust]

that's the older one

new one was the first image

[worn ember]

bruh how am i supposed to know

[golden gust]

you can tell because he finally did dark mode

he's also german so works backwards to most

[vernal moth]

design is temporary anyways

[worn ember]

  should work

[vernal moth]

it will get a whole bunch of white, dw cat

[golden gust]

inb4 we're switching to a new UI framework

[vernal moth]

no UI framework is here to stay

[worn ember]

can we switch to blazor already

[vernal moth]

but that doesnt say anything on how it actually looks

[woven otter]

to what

[golden gust]

What's as big as a house, burns 20 liters of fuel every hour, puts out a shit load of smoke and noise, and cuts an apple in three pieces?

[vernal moth]

the framework is mostly responsible for the layout

[left swift]

Cat

[worn ember]

ur mom

[olive marlin]

Mini you made it sound like every UI framework you use will shortly be replaced 😛

[vernal moth]

isnt that the dotNet to js thingy?

[worn ember]

webassembly yeah

[golden gust]

actually, that's just as much gas required for half the way around

[left swift]

Make sense cat

[golden gust]

it's too late

[left swift]

Never too late

[worn ember]

are you ok?

[golden gust]

no

[worn ember]

sucks to be you lol

[left swift]

[worn ember]

[cosmic raft]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stop-stop-it-now-enough-kitten-gif-16655345

[worn ember]

blazor looks nicer than Razor at least

its like WPF, you define your own xml elements and it has databinding

[minor badge]

heklo kazheek

[cosmic raft]

hallo proxee

[minor badge]

[cosmic raft]

dance proxee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSAfPh1A25E

[worn ember]

ah yes pokimon main

[heady mulch]

Hey if anyone knows anything about pregening with world border can you awnser me a few questions?

[olive marlin]

.ask

[limber knot]

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

[heady mulch]

Alright thanks

[olive marlin]

Probably #paper-help is better suited though 🙂

[heady mulch]

Ok thanks man!

[waxen schooner]

https://i.imgur.com/ejfJBNm.png looks like some Mojang developer definitely had fun here

(net.minecraft.network.Connection)

[quick pasture]

I think thats just the spigot mapping ur looking at though

[cosmic raft]

It's not.

[waxen schooner]

nope

that's the official Mojang mappings lol

[quick pasture]

lel

[cosmic raft]

Methods like that are quite common, bardy

I have lots of methods similar to that

[waxen schooner]

lol

[cosmic raft]

It's fun to name them fun things

[quick pasture]

must be nice to maintain

[twin lagoon]

frank

[quick pasture]

hi michael

[waxen schooner]

yeah, until you forget to document it, go away for a few months, come back, and are like "I wish I documented this..."

[cosmic raft]

kek

you should see some of my code bardy :p

[quick pasture]

I think we all have our moments 👀

[waxen schooner]

unless you want it to be ripped to shreds then I wouldn't show me xD

[golden gust]

kash loves to have minimal generics

[waxen schooner]

I kinda wanna see it now though ngl

[cosmic raft]

bardy

not generics

but

if you tell me what this does you get 5 points

https://paste.gg/p/kashike/6cb306bd2e224faab6bd4aa6fa9c164d

[ashen cliff]

I see Regex.

Oh no.

[waxen schooner]

https://i.imgur.com/gV39m1U.png 👌

top quality documentation there btw

[cosmic raft]

I stripped the block explaining it out ;)

[waxen schooner]

regex101 time

right, so we're matching {some_numbers}

and then whatever that second one is meant to be lol

something like {1\abc}

[austere ivy]

are you trying to pair a single digit to some set of letters

[cosmic raft]

grabs popcorn

[waxen schooner]

that second regex seems to match a single digit, a \ and exactly 3 characters, all between {}

[cosmic raft]

nope

[ashen cliff]

At least you aren't regex matching html.

[waxen schooner]

or am I not removing escapes properly

ah, {1...}

also, https://i.imgur.com/zxD82aQ.png this is one of the most useless utility methods I've seen

[cosmic raft]

yup

[austere ivy]

I’m seeing a lot of (pardon, am on phone, cannot properly code block tick things) “\”s in there and that’s making me scared

wait a darn minute

[golden gust]

java parses \ as an escape

[waxen schooner]

just remove every other \ and throw it through https://regex101.com

[golden gust]

so for a \ in regex, you need to escape the \

[austere ivy]

oh, so it’s just escape for Reyes and, yeah ok

[golden gust]

so, \\ = \

[austere ivy]

kash is this for command handling

[cosmic raft]

it isn't :p

[cosmic raft]

yes

[golden gust]

literally in a command package

[austere ivy]

.. if it makes you feel better, I didn’t see that lmao

[cosmic raft]

:p

[waxen schooner]

code like this is why context is really nice lol

[cosmic raft]

if you give up and want me to tell you what it does, let me know

[waxen schooner]

I mean, I've definitely seen worse than this

at least you're not one of those who doesn't have an enter key on their keyboard, or one who doesn't know how to name variables properly

[cosmic raft]

Want a hint?

I can show you the usage

[waxen schooner]

go on then

yeah that might help

[cosmic raft]

https://paste.gg/p/kashike/f39df3ed72bc4a2caa7898a053848060

[austere ivy]

I’ve partially given up for the time being because I’m on phone and this is all I get to view at one time

[waxen schooner]

"determine best result when many are found"

[austere ivy]

I’ll read it over when I’m on comp lol

[waxen schooner]

something to do with searching?

[minor badge]

kashike

[cosmic raft]

values would be an array like this, for example: ["pets {0}", "pets {0} and {1...}"]

[waxen schooner]

so we are searching then

[austere ivy]

in the regex could it only specifically match a-

wait a minute

!manchas 1

oh the bots not in here. is it for getting a specific picture in a photo library?

[cosmic raft]

I will give you another hint... one moment

[austere ivy]

hold on lemme get on comp

[limber knot]

.addcmd -a whip whips {0}

.addcmd -a -v whip whips {0} with {1...}

[cosmic raft]

.whip simple

[limber knot]

whips simple

[cosmic raft]

.whip simple balloon

[limber knot]

whips simple with balloon

[cosmic raft]

.whip simple balloon while riding a dragon

[limber knot]

whips simple with balloon while riding a dragon

[waxen schooner]

wait a minute

[upbeat kelp]

i am simping for eternity help

[waxen schooner]

whip is the command, that second part is the result

is -v meant to be varargs or something?

[cosmic raft]

-v adds another value

so

[upbeat kelp]

.whips out ding dong

[cosmic raft]

values would be an array like this, for example: ["whips {0}", "whips {0} with {1...}"]

[upbeat kelp]

.whip ding dong Bell

[limber knot]

whips ding with dong Bell

[waxen schooner]

wait... are we trying to take some input and pick the best value from that list based on what the user entered?

[cosmic raft]

🎉

[upbeat kelp]

pog bot

[waxen schooner]

jesus christ

[cosmic raft]

but

do keep in mind that is the old class

it was refactored

[ashen cliff]

Make it more complicated.

[waxen schooner]

oh no

[cosmic raft]

want to see the new class?

[waxen schooner]

you bet I do

[cosmic raft]

https://paste.gg/p/kashike/72a74c5226a042bf836be0ca61e3f152

💃

[quasi valley]

🕺

[ashen cliff]

kash just keeps reminding me why I hate Java.

[waxen schooner]

not even gonna question this

when you see things like this, you just... don't ask questions

[cosmic raft]

:3

[waxen schooner]

right, my turn to show whack

[cosmic raft]

now

if you want to see my generics

say "I"

[waxen schooner]

I

[ashen cliff]

l

[waxen schooner]

https://github.com/Prevarinite/Punishments/blob/master/src/main/java/com/prevarinite/punishments/commands/BanCommand.java#L35 have fun 🙂

[cosmic raft]

public final class BlockContentTypeLoader extends MultiTypeContentLoader<BlockGenre, ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockContentProcessor<ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>> implements Witness, MultiTypeContentLoader.Translated<BlockGenre> {

hello

[ashen cliff]

lIlIlIlIlIlIlI.IlIlI.IlIlI

[golden gust]

#Classics ❤️

[waxen schooner]

lol

[quasi valley]

mmmm yes 0 empty lines

[limber knot]

oh wow kashike

[quasi valley]

mmm yes 0 emtpy lines

[austere ivy]

I don’t think I’ve used a single generic in my code before. How does one achieve this power?

[waxen schooner]

I love how I was in a call with a friend when I wrote that, and he was teaching me how to code, and he just kinda sat there and watched me write this lol

[cosmic raft]

public abstract class MultiTypeContentLoader<T extends Enum<T> & ContentType.MultiType<C, B>, C extends CatalogedContent, B extends ContentBuilder<C>, P extends ConfigProcessor<B>> extends ContentLoaderImpl<C, B, MultiTypeContentLoader.Entry<T, C, B>> implements MultiTypeExternalContentProcessor<T, C, B> {

[waxen schooner]

you know, funnily enough, I've never really found a use for generics

annoyingly, but I just haven't

[cosmic raft]

hai jamie

[limber knot]

so you use untyped maps, lists, etc?

[austere ivy]

same here

[limber knot]

hey kashike

[minor badge]

I struggle not to use generics in Java

[golden gust]

generics are just so powerful

[waxen schooner]

I don't write advanced enough code for generics 😦

[golden gust]

Like, PITA at times, but, really nice

[austere ivy]

jamie I think we’re talking more about making classes that use generics vs like.. list and map and stuff

[cosmic raft]

and in v2 of that codebase

the generics are better

[waxen schooner]

I mean, I have a project that could probably use them, but it's not going to lol

[cosmic raft]

want to see? :p

[austere ivy]

I get the whole box example where you wanna store a value but don’t know what type and all that, but I don’t know any real world application

[austere ivy]

yeees

[cosmic raft]

v2:

[golden gust]

if you use them properly they just make a lot of stuff so much easier to express and define

[cosmic raft]

public final class BlockLoader extends RootContentLoaderImpl<BlockType.Child, ContentBlockBuilder<?, ?, ?>> implements Listener {

[austere ivy]

yeah but my question is, how do you learn how to use them properly?

[waxen schooner]

might be able to use it in my NMS adapters project

[golden gust]

Look at how others use them, generally, tbqh

They're a pretty simple concept to grasp when you see them in action

working well with them however is where the fun begins

[minor badge]

https://github.com/Proximyst/moonshine/blob/main/core/src/main/java/com/proximyst/moonshine/Moonshine.java

[quasi valley]

mmmm actually nice empty lines

[minor badge]

thank you knenimsy television

[cosmic raft]

kneny

me next

https://github.com/KyoriPowered/limbo/blob/master/src/main/java/net/kyori/limbo/github/feature/apply/ApplyFeature.java

[quasi valley]

MmmmMMmMmmmMmm

[waxen panther]

🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺

[golden gust]

Git kinda makes me sad at times

[minor badge]

I get shivers from people writing code with too little or too much whitespace

[golden gust]

do you know how fun it would be to modify kash's code to add whitespace all over

just a rando new line here and there

[cosmic raft]

public class Permuter                                {
    private static void permute(int n, char[] a)     {
        if (n == 0)                                  {
            System.out.println(String.valueOf(a))    ;}
        else                                         {
            for (int i = 0; i <= n; i++)             {
                permute(n-1, a)                      ;
                swap(a, n % 2 == 0 ? i : 0, n)       ;}}}
    private static void swap(char[] a, int i, int j) {
        char saved = a[i]                            ;
        a[i] = a[j]                                  ;
        a[j] = saved                                 ;}}

[limber knot]

they're used a bunch in https://github.com/CadixDev/Lorenz/blob/328051b1bbeaa32419f689e0ef1da6615960e015/lorenz/src/main/java/org/cadixdev/lorenz/model/Mapping.java#L35

[cosmic raft]

oh oh oh

@austere ivy @waxen schooner I can make your eyes bleed!

[waxen schooner]

oh no

[cosmic raft]

https://paste.gg/p/kashike/facfcabce74e471091c8f3fabefad923

[waxen schooner]

magic values ew

[limber knot]

oh wow I haven't seen that in years

[waxen schooner]

what is @Switch meant to do

[cosmic raft]

MAGIC_INDEX is never used except as a marker to know it is not a real value

[golden gust]

-n, i'd imagine, etc

[cosmic raft]

comand flags, bom

[waxen schooner]

also, this many method params is way way too many

[cosmic raft]

.aip -i 2 -e true

for example

[waxen schooner]

ah

cough arrow code cough

[void void]

i've had a use for generics only a handful of times

[cosmic raft]

I'd say the best part is

that the codebase has code borrowed from Android too

[waxen schooner]

lol

[cosmic raft]

but yea

that is what runs Korobi

or some of it at least

[waxen schooner]

https://tenor.com/65Ux.gif

[austere ivy]

just got on comp and paste is already expired

[cosmic raft]

:D

top secret code

[austere ivy]

yeah lol

[cosmic raft]

trade secrets

[austere ivy]

I have a question, if you had to not use generics, could you accomplish that same stuff without them?

[cosmic raft]

Nope

[austere ivy]

dang, okay. I gotta get onto learnin' and usin' em then

[minor badge]

pff, sure you can

[waxen schooner]

there's always another way

[minor badge]

just cast Objects

[waxen schooner]

just remember that

[cosmic raft]

In both versions of that code, it's injected

public class RootContentLoaderImpl<C extends ContentType.Child, B extends ContentBuilder<?>> implements RootContentLoader<C> {
  private final Map<C, ChildContentLoader<C>> childLoaderByChild = new HashMap<>();
  @Inject private Logger logger;
  @Inject private ContentType.Root<C> type;
  @Inject private ContentFinder finder;
  @Inject private Set<ChildContentLoader<C>> children;
  @Inject private Set<GlobalProcessor> globalProcessors;
  @ForRoot @Inject private Set<Processor<? extends B>> processors;
  @Inject private DynamicProvider<FeatureContext> featureContext;
  private final FoundContentImpl<ContentType.Root<C>, C> foundContent = new FoundContentImpl<>();

and uses generics to resolve what type to inject

so with this:

public final class BlockLoader extends RootContentLoaderImpl<BlockType.Child, ContentBlockBuilder<?, ?, ?>> implements Listener {
that turns into:

  private final Map<C, ChildContentLoader<C>> childLoaderByChild = new HashMap<>();
  @Inject private Logger logger;
  @Inject private ContentType.Root<BlockType.Child> type;
  @Inject private ContentFinder finder;
  @Inject private Set<ChildContentLoader<BlockType.Child>> children;
  @Inject private Set<GlobalProcessor> globalProcessors;
  @ForRoot @Inject private Set<Processor<? extends ContentBlockBuilder<?, ?, ?>>> processors;
  @Inject private DynamicProvider<FeatureContext> featureContext;
  private final FoundContentImpl<ContentType.Root<BlockType.Child>, BlockType.Child> foundContent = new FoundContentImpl<>();

when resolved

and each of those is bound in the injector

dependency injection is bae

[austere ivy]

hm, I vaguely understand that

[minor badge]

you're bae kashike

[austere ivy]

welp, you've sold me. I'm learning generics

back off to the java tutorials

[limber knot]

'dang, okay. I gotta get onto learnin' and usin' em then' they're one of those powerful things that should be used where neccasary - not just because they're powerful

[cosmic raft]

generics are easy

[austere ivy]

jamie: well, yeah. that's what I meant. I won't litter all my code with 'em but just another tool in my toolbox, y'know?

[limber knot]

ah good :)

[meager tusk]

Yes.

[cosmic raft]

and anyhow

this is just the public stuff

[waxen schooner]

yeah they're easy, never found a proper use for them though

[austere ivy]

says the person who made this
public final class BlockContentTypeLoader extends MultiTypeContentLoader<BlockGenre, ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockContentProcessor<ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>> implements Witness, MultiTypeContentLoader.Translated<BlockGenre> {

[meager tusk]

Wish java had the option for tuple varargs

[cosmic raft]

jamie has seen some of my other stuff before... he knows how evil I can be with code sometimes :p

[meager tusk]

Don't see them being used too much but

[golden gust]

that's easy, it's just bastardized

[meager tusk]

It would be cool

[minor badge]

@meager tusk

[cosmic raft]

right, jamie? :p

[twin lagoon]

idriz

[meager tusk]

michael 👋

[limber knot]

2 spaces to begin with :p

[cosmic raft]

is a very common style

used by google and many, many other companies

[golden gust]

"it's used in the enterprise" is not good defence

[limber knot]

I'm joking for being an answer to your question - I knew what you meant :p

[cosmic raft]

no, I am just saying it's not just me who does 2 spaces :p

[austere ivy]

hah, see? at the bytecode level, casting is identical to generics. casting time

[golden gust]

and there's lots of people who do milk first when making tea

[meager tusk]

milk in tea

🤢

[cosmic raft]

cat is just jealous of my generics

[golden gust]

😄

[cosmic raft]

its ok cat

i will get some just for you

[twin lagoon]

tea

[cosmic raft]

public interface MultiTypeExternalContentProcessor<T extends ContentType.MultiType<C, B>, C extends CatalogedContent, B extends ContentBuilder<C>> {
    default <X extends C, Y extends ContentBuilder<X>> Y processExternal(final String namespace, final T type, final ConfigurationNode config, final String id) {
        return (Y) this.processExternal0(namespace, type, config, id);
    }

    /** @deprecated internal hack */
    @Deprecated
    <Y extends B> Y processExternal0(final String namespace, final T type, final ConfigurationNode config, final String id);
}

there you go cat

[quasi valley]

/** @deprecated internal hack */

[limber knot]

how lovely

[meager tusk]

ahhh what the fuck my eyes

[austere ivy]

alright 3 seconds into the java tutorials and we're already on this public class OrderedPair<K, V> implements Pair<K, V> { so just a bit more time and I should theoretically be able to understand kash's public final class BlockContentTypeLoader extends MultiTypeContentLoader<BlockGenre, ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockContentProcessor<ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>> implements Witness, MultiTypeContentLoader.Translated<BlockGenre> {

[waxen panther]

hot

[waxen schooner]

lol

you trying to understand generics?

[austere ivy]

yes, but more importantly, I'm trying to learn how to use them

I spent too long just learning how to read Java, which anyone can do. I wanna be able to approach a problem and think "okay, I can use this and that to solve this elegantly and extendibly"

[woven otter]

https://github.com/LegacyGamerHD/SkorrloreGaming/blob/master/src/main/java/me/skorrloregaming/impl/Switches.java
here. generics exercise

[ashen cliff]

Speentie8081

I haven't heard that name in years.

[woven otter]

[magic river]

To really know generics you have to know about variance

[quasi valley]

did devon delete the repos?

lol he even deleted his account

truly sad, wanted to see how his current code looked

[vernal moth]

devon?

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, kinda sad he deleted everything.

[quasi valley]

speentie/devon casper/the guy who said Randoms aren't random enough for even basic use, so he always creates SecureRandoms with random uuids as the seed

banned from Paper as well

[ashen cliff]

I think there is a fork of the PS Chests addon somewhere.

[vernal moth]

ah so random idiot

[ashen cliff]

Woah.

Well, he did have... health issues.

[limber knot]

The only real reason to not use Random is because of synchronization, but that's it for basic use

[void void]

@minor badge how should I annotate a field that gets something that COULD be nullable, but it would usually never be nullable since they're egistered on server join

it should be non null right?

[limber knot]

then it's nullable but mentioned in the javadoc

If you expect it to return non-null values and it would return null values on errors, then an exception is more appropriate

[minor badge]

look whether MonotonicNonNull applies to your case

[void void]

There is no guarantee that the field ever becomes non-null, but if it does, it will stay non-null.

eh I mean it will be null if the player leaves

[minor badge]

then nullable or exception as Geolykt said

[woven otter]

devon guy is one of a kind

[magic river]

eep

[void void]

hi there

i made a crossplay server

[visual egret]

cool, but anyone can make a crossplay server in a few minutes

and im assuming you want to advertise

since your account is new

[true canyon]

chill out!

[void void]

yeah, there are still people who think cross team isnt possible lol.

[visual egret]

yeah, its just toxic people who dont know that better = stronger

[magic river]

TIL diamonds are slowly decaying back to graphite

So much for "diamonds are forever"

[ashen cliff]

They last as long as an average marriage I assume.

[magic river]

They'd have to be radioactive to decay that fast

[left swift]

Nah just glass, just like most marriages

[true canyon]

Radioactive diamonds for an even better glow!

[ashen cliff]

Exactly what every partner needs.

[left swift]

Radiation

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[tropic flame]

nowadays? they should last even longer

[vernal moth]

github discussions is strange

reacting with +1 on a comment is distinct from upvoting it

[limber knot]

Never really used it yet

[vernal moth]

a project I am moderator for uses it for feature requests

[true canyon]

I ... don't remember github discussions being a thing

[limber knot]

They aren't much used, but then they are also pretty new

Hangar + Github means you don't even need a website for paper anymore :D

[vernal moth]

dont even know if they are GA yet

[cosmic raft]

wheee

hey minidigger

[true canyon]

hey kashike

[cosmic raft]

@vivid ivy helped me with my initial blender project, and then showed me some things I had questions on

and then today I managed to make this a thing:

https://i.imgur.com/ZrzzykK.png

hai mbax

[limber knot]

just use Blockbench

runs

[cosmic raft]

huh?

[spare venture]

block bench is a Minecraft modeller

[vernal moth]

kash becoming a 3d modeling pro?

[formal turret]

i did blender for a while... kinda gave up because i didn't want to pay for textures just so i could make photorealistic stuff

even bought substance designer to try and make my own lol

[vernal moth]

jokes on you

[limber knot]

just go outside and take photos smh

[vernal moth]

substance is free now iirc

since tim epic brought it

[formal turret]

wow really?

i thought adobe owned them now

[cosmic raft]

except I'm not modelling for minecraft phoenix/barty

lol

[limber knot]

that's why I ran :P

[vernal moth]

oh it was quixel thats now free

[limber knot]

(but technically you can use Blockbench for more than just Minecraft but its feature set is obviously limtied)

[vernal moth]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/profile/Quixel+Megascans?count=20&sortBy=effectiveDate&sortDir=DESC&start=0

[worn ember]

limtied

[nimble fjord]

GUYS i found a nice music

[worn ember]

very cool

[nimble fjord]

lol

[worn ember]

also thats what #music is for

[nimble fjord]

oh

[limber knot]

@mods

[nimble fjord]

sry

[worn ember]

smh

[formal turret]

doesn't grabify give you info about us 🤔

[limber knot]

wait bridge can't ping

[worn ember]

its fine

[nimble fjord]

lol

[limber knot]

it's an ip logger

[vernal moth]

also why would you ping mods for that? lol

[formal turret]

because he used grabify

[limber knot]

short links in general should be banned

[worn ember]

[nimble fjord]

XD

[vernal moth]

I mean

whats the use for that?

since you cant even trace it back to anyone in here

also, discords auto embed resolves on the server, right?

[worn ember]

yeah, but you can still click it

[vernal moth]

and I mean, any screenshot I post here writes your IP into my access log

[worn ember]

wat

[vernal moth]

IPs arent really sacred, lol

[worn ember]

oh right it does for every view

[limber knot]

as if anyone would open a screenshot link with discord's preview feature lol

[ripe sphinx]

not if people don't click on it, you'd only get Discord's server

[cosmic raft]

bad quality previews a lot of the time

[ripe sphinx]

ohai kash

[cosmic raft]

hii

[limber knot]

pretty sure you can click the image to enlarge with it still being proxied by discord

[worn ember]

didnt they use that to ddos servers, post the same image but with different height width params and it would be redownloaded by everyone every time

or did they finally fix that

[limber knot]

you can just append #randomvalue to every link and discord will query it

[worn ember]

yeah

[ripe sphinx]

(DiscordSRV [ab]uses that so skins update)

[limber knot]

it's also how you update link previews in discord. if you do it often enough they will update the preview of the original link

(for some weird reason)

[worn ember]

just discord things

[olive garden]

as if ded designed it

[potent fossil]

Careful with gr*bify that's why I got banned before lol

[olive garden]

what the hell is gr*bify?

is this like saying g*rman? or something?

[potent fossil]

Do people here read any more than 10 lines upward, ever?

[true canyon]

There are more than ten lines here?

[potent fossil]

Nope

[olive garden]

oh, so simple just can't spell grabify

nice

[potent fossil]

I'm not saying it because I got banned for it before lol

[olive garden]

for saying a word?

yeah, sounds like paper 2.0 I guess

[potent fossil]

No, I got banned from discord

Whatever, I'm not going to explain myself lmao.

[olive garden]

sure you did

[ripe sphinx]

Discord banning people for saying the name of a IP grabber makes sense

[potent fossil]

I mean, you can ask literally anyone else in here how I had to come back on a new account. I don't really care if you believe me

[ripe sphinx]

they don't want any of that kind of shit on here, probably a legal nightmare if someone gets their IP grabbed, ddosed, and then sues Discord as a result or somehtign

[olive garden]

oh yeah, let's also ban people for saying "watch out for grabify links"

[potent fossil]

That's not what I said? What is wrong with the people in here. Lmao. They just selectively read shit and respond to random qualities

[vernal moth]

I just wanted to say why would you be able to sue for that and then I forgot that the US is lacking common sense laws for sueing

[potent fossil]

All I did was block out the a in the word, end of the story for me

[ripe sphinx]

Yeah I agree it makes no sense, but I bet it's been attempted at least once

[olive garden]

yep, that's not what I said and I never said that you said that

you just selectively read shit and respond to random qualities

[mental meadow]

oh ffs stop it already Trigary

[true canyon]

❤️

[formal turret]

i mean doesn't seem like discord cares that much cause you can post a grabify link anyways

[worn ember]

trig are you triggered again?

[vernal moth]

when is he not triggered?

[olive garden]

it's in my freaking name man

[ashen cliff]

I love how dense people in the Discord API Discord are. Like neuron star level dense.

[waxen panther]

simple

[limber knot]

what dfo you expect? it's discord

[worn ember]

i prefer black hole level dense 😏

[waxen panther]

weirdga

[ashen cliff]

I don't.

[olive garden]

how do you even measure the density of black holes

[mental meadow]

physics

[ashen cliff]

I assume you just weigh Darks brain?

[mental meadow]

something something bending curvature of spacetime something something light can't escape something something estimate density = high

[worn ember]

you measure the light curvature

yeah something like that

[olive garden]

wouldn't that measure mass instead of density?

[mental meadow]

what is density

[worn ember]

density is related to mass tho

[olive garden]

very good ded

[worn ember]

i still paid attention in elementary

[vernal moth]

Gotta love ppl that send random friend requests, and then don't allow me to message them to ask them who the fuck they are

[mental meadow]

i hate that

I have my DMs open anyway, why send me a friend request if I dont know you

[vernal moth]

Yeah easy ignore for me

[spiral robin]

hello

[mental meadow]

hey aber

[spiral robin]

@mental meadow

[true canyon]

Feeling inspired to clear up my friends list. Thanks Mini

[vernal moth]

Heh

[mental meadow]

good idea

[minor badge]

I'm almost at 1k so I have to do the same thing too, soon

mbax sure is going off!

[mental meadow]

36 friends 😄

proxi is too famous

[true canyon]

Well this is not how I expected today to go...

[zealous wedge]

38 friends 👀 proxi how do u have so many friends

[true canyon]

Removed a few dozen, down to 92!

[minor badge]

i just add people, zml

[minor badge]

i've been active on discord for a few years in various communities as i come, lose interest, and go; repeat like 500 times and you rack up some

[zealous wedge]

ah lol

[potent fossil]

Wtf mbax did you just remove me

[untold copper]

aDd Me PrOxI

[potent fossil]

I will attack you

[minor badge]

no

[untold copper]

:c

ok

[zealous wedge]

proxi is confirmed Online

[untold copper]

I never put my status to online

[true canyon]

We weren't friends! I was only removing people who added me for plugin support, or old admincraft stuff that isn't relevant anymore.

Or that one guy who wanted me to share with him, some rando I've never talked to, inner details about community conflicts of the past.

[untold copper]

Cleaning up your friends list is the best lol

[waxen panther]

mine is too long and messy

it'd take me hours

[untold copper]

re

[true canyon]

Look at me I'm helping

[untold copper]

[waxen panther]

[spiral robin]

214

[untold copper]

Create mod nixie tubes look soo cool

[twin lagoon]

[untold copper]

yes

[spare venture]

density is love

[worn ember]

[spare venture]

maybe broken love actually with the line through it

[untold copper]

isn't p momentum?

[spare venture]

that's rho, not p

p is momentum, yes

in 10 years when you learn physics you'll know the diff

[untold copper]

nice to know that I didn't forget everything after exams

thats the formula for momentum innit

momentum = mass/velocity

[spare venture]

no

momentum = mass * velocity

[untold copper]

.g formula for mometum

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/momentum/u4l1a.cfm

[untold copper]

mass times velocity

I see

close enough

[spare venture]

not really

[untold copper]

I have this entrance exam thingy in a couple days

[spare venture]

i should've used Q for volume in that picture, but then it wouldnt be density is love 😭

[untold copper]

extra coaching

morons are charging 5 lakhs

[spare venture]

.g wtf is a lakh

[untold copper]

5 hundred thousand

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lakh

[spare venture]

5 hundred thousand what

[untold copper]

inr

[spare venture]

.g inr to usd

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?From=INR&To=USD

[spare venture]

.wa 500,000 inr to usd

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) No results.

[spare venture]

$6,889, that's a lot

what is this an entrance exam for

[untold copper]

extra coaching

for further exams

like boards, IIT-JEE

all those

So they make us give this "entrance" so that all the "smarter" kids get a scholarship on the fee

thats how it is, one exam determines your smartness here

[spare venture]

yeah we have entrane exams for university

SAT/ACT

but nothing you take when you're 12

[untold copper]

15

Im about to be 15

This coaching stuff will hopefully help me prepare for the further exams

they better

[spare venture]

Ah thats fair

[austere ivy]

why do String.join(elements, delimiter) and Strings.join(delimiter, elements) both exist

[potent fossil]

is Strings even in the stdlib

[austere ivy]

simple

[potent fossil]

??

[austere ivy]

didn't want to see you, my grand arch-nemesis, here

[potent fossil]

k

[austere ivy]

ahem anyway, I'm sure you'd love to see what I'm working on

I'm experimenting with generics for the first time >:)

[potent fossil]

[mental meadow]

simple uwu

[potent fossil]

uwura

[crystal compass]

boiz

How to keep Drama out of a minecraft survival server

[untold copper]

dont have a minecraft survival server

ez

[limber knot]

ban em all (professionally)

[olive garden]

tell them to resolve it via pvp

[warm anchor]

have mature player base

[crystal compass]

I run a small server with only 20-40 online at one time, we seem to have a constant reputation of player drama and shit, it is really getting under my skin, and making others not want to play.

[potent fossil]

keep drama out of mc server: stop hiring legitimate children as staff, as they almost always are the instigators as they try to be relatable with the players who are also legitimate children and then they can't do their job because they feel bias and they're too young to professionally handle it

[untold copper]

ban em all (professionally)

[limber knot]

What sort of drama is it?

[crystal compass]

It is usually like people trying to get under other peoples skin and when they get muted, they just don't directly say stupid shit but just stir the pot & cause so many problems

[warm anchor]

ban the drama maker

[crystal compass]

But then when we ban people like that, people view us as tyrants

[warm anchor]

so?

[crystal compass]

= not wanting to play on a server with harsh staff

seems you can't win

[warm anchor]

You cant please everyone

if you try, you please no one

[spare venture]

rebrand and this time be less tolerant of toxicity

[limber knot]

Warn-kick and then temp ban

[spare venture]

it’s what I did 😉

[ripe sphinx]

Please the majority of the playerbase

[crystal compass]

Hmm

Yeah to be honest after having the server for around 2.5 years and a reputation of constant drama blow outs with players and EX- staff members, maybe I should rebrand.

[spare venture]

Sometimes you gotta be the bad guy

Or just ban them

[limber knot]

It's best if you announce the new behaviour beforehand though

[spare venture]

^

Announce that you are cracking down on drama/toxicity, stop hiring people under 18 for staff, then start enforcing it

[austere ivy]

am I doing this right @cosmic raft https://paste.gg/p/TehBrian/4cf1632f6e824abaa41c5737a036f13e

wow I messed up the paste.gg hold on

[limber knot]

Age is often just a number, there are still too many trolls/idiots that are over 18

[austere ivy]

alright I fixed it

[limber knot]

It can tell some things, but it should not be the main indicator

[crystal compass]

bet, so the trade off of being harder on players is probably better than letting these players sneak under peoples skin

[warm anchor]

You would never have a big comunity if you keep those tpye of player around

The silent majority wouldnt bother to speak up

and they will just leave for another server because you know there are 34i56057845 server out there for free

[worn ember]

@limpid comet 👀

[visual egret]

runs

[spare venture]

Age is such an easy indicator

The older you go the less likely your staff is immature

[warm anchor]

many man child though

go by mental age

[spare venture]

Yes but there are more child childs

[worn ember]

wow you must be really smart barty

[formal turret]

if some kid is going to apply for staff and they think they're mature enough they'll just lie on the app anyways lol

and if they are actually mature enough you'll probably never know

[warm anchor]

We conduct interviews on voice call

[spare venture]

That’s why you don’t have staff apps. Or even advertise that you have a minimum age.

[spare venture]

Smarter than u bitch

[worn ember]

wtf toxic

[spare venture]

yup

[formal turret]

what, you hand selecting staff?

[spare venture]

yup

[ripe sphinx]

most servers do

[warm anchor]

most of my discord staff are members in my server for over 3 years

[worn ember]

select deez noodles

[warm anchor]

and over 100k messages

[spare venture]

we look for long time players who have displayed maturity, ask their age, ask if they want to be staff, boom

[worn ember]

📖

[formal turret]

i mean i'd say my thought process still applies then

[spare venture]

Long since learned having open applications is bad

[formal turret]

you'd never know unless you got them into a voice chat like eternity said

[ripe sphinx]

to be fair the application model isn't completely fucked, smaller servers w/ more tight-knit communities it works for

[tropic flame]

Just be like a corrupt government and appoint your own friends and family for staff positions.

[worn ember]

free op for first 5 people to join

[untold copper]

kek

[spare venture]

ded no u can’t be staff on my server sorry

[worn ember]

i had to demote so many of my friends cuz they'd abuse it

[worn ember]

staff for you 0 players?

[spare venture]

we had 40 players on last night

[formal turret]

even then, on the server i spent most of my time on he became the lead of his staff group and he was like 15 when the "age requirement" was 15 and he'd just use a voice changer if he had to be in VC lol

[spare venture]

Average 15-20 over 24 hours. Aka smd

[worn ember]

smc

[spare venture]

It’s pretty easy to tell someone’s age if they’ve been playing for a year

[worn ember]

but sir, age is just a number

[spare venture]

no

its a mindset

[worn ember]

ah yes the age mindset, i think i'm 12 every day

[spare venture]

i agree

thats what i would've guessed

[warm anchor]

[untold copper]

lol

[warm anchor]

snoopa in chat
runs

[spare venture]

That’s toxic

No need to be mean

[spiral robin]

[untold copper]

love ya'll too

[worn ember]

@warm anchor Dota?

[untold copper]

[spare venture]

Dora

[untold copper]

Swiper No Swiping!

[visual egret]

hm

[untold copper]

Ah yes, 31 crafting tables

[visual egret]

snoopa making the most of his nitro

[untold copper]

[worn ember]

[untold copper]

lol

[visual egret]

that looked like bedrock for a sec lol

because of the 2 small icons

[untold copper]

wat did

[visual egret]

this

bedrock edition feel

[untold copper]

lol thats quark

legit one of the best mods ever

[warm anchor]

my last game is like month ago lol

[worn ember]

[warm anchor]

no TI really hurts the game.

[worn ember]

ye

[waxen panther]

srry eternity is a dota god

above ur mere mortal level

[warm anchor]

We will have Broccolai playing dota with us one day ded

[worn ember]

i'm higher rank than him lol

[waxen panther]

Er yea but eternity is just more epic ?

[worn ember]

ok weeb

[magic river]

https://twitter.com/j_opdenakker/status/1360545884954583040

John Opdenakker (@j_opdenakker)

To the person who stole my Microsoft Office License.

I'm gonna find you. You have my Word.

Retweets

360

Likes

2765

Twitter · Feb 13, 2021, 11:06 AM

[woven otter]

nice

[merry talon]

That joke really excelled

[dull linden]

just curious, how many players can your guys' 1.16 server handle before tps dropping? xD

[warm anchor]

No one knows. It depend on your potatos

[potent fossil]

also depends on the type of server, like if it's a big survival server and people are running mob farms and whatever tf else good luck

[ashen cliff]

If you Bing Discord... Discord isn't on the first page.

[vernal moth]

200 players should be a reachable goal

[ashen cliff]

On a minigames server maybe.

[vernal moth]

Survival with limiting mob farms

[warm anchor]

200 player in 1 chunk = server dies

[vernal moth]

200 in one chunk is easy

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, no.

[warm anchor]

wouldnt the update to player movment fuck the server up lol

[vernal moth]

We have seen that done countless times krusic

[ashen cliff]

Survival?

I'ma ask for some proof on that.

And without afk/fake players, thank you very much.

[warm anchor]

lol

[vernal moth]

Well, go ping some of the server owners in here

[ashen cliff]

I've seen those servers. Chat activity is empty.

[warm anchor]

Time to ping Michael

[ashen cliff]

Like 200 players and chat is dead.

There is a limit to how dead players can actually be.

[vernal moth]

Well, do you have a server? What kinda numbers do you pull on one instance?

[ashen cliff]

That's with active players and limited farms.

[twin lagoon]

HELLO

[ashen cliff]

HELLO MICH.

[olive marlin]

Hello Michale

[formal turret]

200 people on 1 survival instance at 10 tps in 1.7 😦

[olive garden]

I was hoping he said that to disprove krusic

but I guess all-caps is just how michael prefers to talk sometimes :(

[ashen cliff]

He knows, I know, that he knows.

[olive garden]

I have to say, I don't make sense most of the time, especially in late hours such as this.

But I have no freaking clue what you mean by that

[twin lagoon]

@olive marlin

[olive marlin]

Michale any good sites to look for job in Netherlands?

[warm anchor]

~~wait that Trigary guy ever make sense? ~~ jk

[olive garden]

<3

[warm anchor]

Any 5 PM gang here?

[waxen panther]

sure

[ashen cliff]

Any living beings here?

[warm anchor]

Brocco you dont count. You switch timezone everyday

[waxen panther]

its a hard life

[austere ivy]

heck ye

[crystal compass]

hrm

The popular survival servers really don't have anything that stands out. I don't understand why they have so many players.

Maybe the only thing that they all have in common = They are all basic survival server setups with not much else

[limber knot]

lots of people just want to play Minecraft

[waxen panther]

most survival players just want a friendly community and nice events

[crystal compass]

I'm just trying to think of what makes them stand out. My server has only 20-40 online at a time and I can't really think of any reason why anybody would play my server over another lol...

[limber knot]

advertising

[waxen panther]

most survival communities go between servers together in my experience

[crystal compass]

I have many different "little" custom things that people enjoy, but those aren't powerful enough to stand out.

[limber knot]

you don't stand out through features

[vernal moth]

Some servers life by their community

[spiral robin]

@twin lagoon

@waxen panther

[crystal compass]

That's what im thinking. I'm thinking to stand out, I need a really great concept for the main gameplay.

Rather than just addons that are unique.

[limber knot]

then you are not going to appeal to minecraft players

most just want to build and play survival

[crystal compass]

Well, those ideas come from appealing to the minecraft players first

not the other way around

[limber knot]

(if they don't want to pvp/play minigames)

[cursive token]

What do people use for multiworlds nowadays? Is Multiverse still the primary option? What are people's experience with MyWorlds? (Looking for on 1.16.5)

[crystal compass]

I use hyperverse.

[limber knot]

I use the 1.16 multiverse branch

[olive marlin]

If people go for survival, they often don't want to think about your convoluted changes.

They want to join, play the game (often with friends) and enjoy it.

[limber knot]

https://theivaneh.com/ this is amazing

[crystal compass]

(I use hyperverse because it is so much lighter and i barely use anything multiverse offers)

Hm

[olive marlin]

And all the little changes you make should be "natural".

[crystal compass]

if everyone did that bloodstone, wouldn't near be no difference between each server?

Why play mine when you can join another that has 200 online instead of 30

[cursive token]

Sam, so do you use a per-world inventory plugin for that then?

[crystal compass]

Yep

[waxen panther]

kith

[olive marlin]

My server sucks, but the community is ❤️

[crystal compass]

PerWorldInventory has a couple bugs but I just cloned it and fixed em myself

[limber knot]

please just use a proxy setup

[waxen panther]

pr them back smh

[crystal compass]

duping items when switching to a different world that has a different gamemode than the one you're using before you switch.

[olive marlin]

Last time I used PWI, it nuked inventories every so often.

[limber knot]

yes, there are potentially a lot of such bugs in there

which is why you want to use multiple servers

[cursive token]

Hmm, I'm not against that either, was just checking my options.

[crystal compass]

Multiple servers just to have another world ?

[cursive token]

Yeah, that seems like the only annoying thing to me.

[zealous wedge]

wonder if anyone's done a realms-style multiple concurrent servers in one JVM

[limber knot]

no, to have a different gamemode

a world is not a gamemode

[crystal compass]

I mean like GMC over GMS

[limber knot]

yes

putting creative on the same server as survival just screams to be exploited

[spiral robin]

@zealous wedge

[crystal compass]

I don't see the point in separating an already small playerbase across multiple servers.

[spiral robin]

Release pex 2

[zealous wedge]

Aber

no u

[spiral robin]

😛

[crystal compass]

If you set proper permissions for the creative world, the players shouldn't be able to exploit anything no?

[olive marlin]

Sam you need to switch somehow to that different world, it's no different switching to a different server on the same network.

[zealous wedge]

there are a lot of edge cases

[cursive token]

other than now you have to maintain two servers technically

[zealous wedge]

it just adds a lot of risk

[limber knot]

S​am​; there is zero difference between using a different world or a different server beyond the server inventory not being transferable

it's not separating the playerbase any more

[cursive token]

cross-server chat can be linked still thru bungee/waterfall right?

[limber knot]

of course

[olive marlin]

Or velocity, yes.

[crystal compass]

So you're going to setup a cross server chat, cross server tablist, link your luckperms via mysql

[cursive token]

I'm trying to get acquainted with all of the new terms. I'm probably not going to do anything too awfully advanced really though. Just hosting this for some of my friend's yearly occurrence of UHC games.

[crystal compass]

I mean to be fair, phoenix's approach is better safe than sorry later.

Although it may be harder for you to set up to your liking.

[cursive token]

If I was setting up something more permanent that sounds like the route I would take.

But I'll probably just stick to a single server setup that I'll have running for the next few weeks.

I'll look into Hyperverse then, and weigh the differences between it and MultiVerse.

[crystal compass]

Cool! I enjoy Hyperverse a lot. Light, active devs.

Support is good aswell, and open source.

[cursive token]

although, compiling the 1.16 of multiverse doesn't sound so bad either... idk

[crystal compass]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm anchor]

Friendly players like brocco

[cursive token]

really, i seem to mainly only have issues with nether portals being really wack at times.

[crystal compass]

Nether portals are synced up on Hyperverse iirc

[waxen panther]

🥺

[austere ivy]

who on earth decided that the generic thingy for generic methods would come before the method name

[spiral robin]

A very smart person

[austere ivy]

like. it's new GenericClass<Type>(args) so why not GenericClass.doThing<Type>(args)

actually then it might be ambiguous lol

[austere ivy]

highly likely

[crystal compass]

All im saying is that there must be more to it than having a good community.

Although community is a staple.

[austere ivy]

that was not said sarcastically btw lol

[olive marlin]

I believe it's like your second example in most sane languages.

[waxen panther]

its that way in kotlin too yeah

i prefer it

[austere ivy]

reading GenericClass.<Type>doThing(args); makes me think that the name of the class is GenericClass. lol

[meager tusk]

java sucks

i wanna quit programming and start farming

[ashen cliff]

Same bro.

But first we need a country to farm in.

[meager tusk]

I have this huge pile of unclaimed land north of Kosovo.

[olive marlin]

Krusic is already farming. Thousands of torrents.

[ashen cliff]

So you there in a bit.

[meager tusk]

The locals call it "Serbia" or something.

Alright.

[spiral robin]

@meager tusk

[meager tusk]

Hello aber!

[olive marlin]

I don't remember now, but was kashike ok with justified pings? I want to ask a question about bibliothek and they made it.
I guess I'd possibly rely on some actual internal Jenkins setup for it, which I can't just go read the source code for :/

[spiral robin]

Kashike loves pings

Wait no

[olive marlin]

I guess I'll have to lurk around these channels until I see them posting morning music videos then.

[spiral robin]

LOL

[mental meadow]

whats your question?

[zealous wedge]

if you're actually asking a relevant question you can ping him?

[mental meadow]

yeah

[cunning raft]

Always a good measure to take it up with his personal secretary, wizjany

[olive marlin]

I wanted to ask about bibliothek API guarantees about things like - if it returns a project info, will a project always have at least one version group. Will each version group guarantee to have at least one version and is each version guaranteed to have at least one build.
But I now found the CLI code that I assume Jenkins uses, and it looks like there's potential race for that not being the case :/

[spiral robin]

@cunning raft

[olive marlin]

The CLI code seems to use the DB directly (without a transaction or anything) and update it from project, through version group and versions up to builds.
If it used transactions to insert data in one go, or did modify it in the reverse order (which might be impossible, if there are constrains set up, but this is mongo), then it should be fine.
https://github.com/PaperMC/bibliothek/blob/main/cli/insertBuild.js#L90-L180

[left swift]

Drink everytime jroy uses eye scratch pepe

Time to get shitfaced wooo

[cunning raft]

Drink everytime noman uses poki or pepepains emotes

[left swift]

[ashen cliff]

Try drinking to every emote.

[vestal jasper]

drink to every emote.

[left swift]

Alchohol poisoning in 10 minutes

Speed run any% glitchless alchohol poisoning

[ashen cliff]

We can do it in less.

[left swift]

Just be really lucky

[ashen cliff]

Just give a 🇩🇪 some real 🍺.

[brave radish]

is it? is it really?

[ashen cliff]

It is.

[left swift]

Closed™️ source

[brave radish]

also, does anyone know how to use Ij's copy of fernflower on a jar? I read this but the mentioned file doesn't exist anymore

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39864346/fernflower-and-intellij-ideas-java-decompiler

[limber knot]

just use forgeflower, it's better

[olive marlin]

Github review while answering previous review comments sucks. It shows as if I commented on code instead of the comment left by reviewer...

[potent fossil]

omg pwoxi has cute new pic <3 huge uwu

[waxen panther]

@cunning raft

[brave radish]

why is GH not sending the total file size when i download a repo as a zip...

[potent fossil]

gh bad

[waxen panther]

simple

[brave radish]

what would you use instead?

I thought I was the only one who used non-github for personal stuff

[waxen panther]

owo.codes

[peak ginkgo]

loled

I love serbia jokes

[waxen panther]

"laughing my ass off" ?

[peak ginkgo]

laughed out louded

actually made a sound

[spiral robin]

@waxen panther

[void bobcat]

this definitely isnt papers fault cause no other servers doing it

https://socialrevise.com/media/02-Nz9J-13.png

anyone have any ideas why a particular server might randomly jump back and forth from 50% to 600%

[potent fossil]

how random is 'random'

[void bobcat]

every few seconds

probably like 30 - 40 second intervals

[potent fossil]

timings?

[void bobcat]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=223da0170be84b06909a337746c6e7e3

Nothing wrong that I see or blatantly obvious

fuck ton of plugins though

Prob not helping

[potent fossil]

i dont see anything immediately obvious, maybe someone else will see something, sorry.

[twin lagoon]

high cpu usage, fun

[potent fossil]

youre in good hands with michael

[twin lagoon]

turn on show custom thread names in htop

could probably see if there's a specific threaqd with high cpu usage

[waxen panther]

michael so smart 🥺

[potent fossil]

that is actually big brain

[void bobcat]

Turned on custom threads but not seeing anything different in the process, do I have to tree this or something

[twin lagoon]

yes

-Xms2G -Xmx5G would also suggest setting equal memory allocations

[void bobcat]

https://socialrevise.com/media/02-EvIB-13.png

tree doesnt seem to show much

[twin lagoon]

go into htop setup again, uncheck Hide userland process threads

also, should probably switch over to tmux with the recent screen crash bug, someone can send a garbage unicode spam & crash the server

[void bobcat]

Yeah I've been meaning to learn tmux

stuck in my old ways

[twin lagoon]

pretty easy to get the basics

basics of it are very similar to screen, just slightly different commands and keybinds

tmux new -s <name>
tmux a -t <name>

ctrl + b, d to detach

[void bobcat]

G1 conc #1 and Server Thread are the only ones standing out

[twin lagoon]

hm you've got no spark so can't use /spark gc to check GC but timings doesn't indicate anything odd

[brave radish]

thanks Micheal, no need to look it up now :) gonna go shutdown my server and switch to tmux

[twin lagoon]

server thread, guess you'll just have to remove potentially heavy plugins

bluemap & nocheatplus stand out to me since those can be heavy

[void bobcat]

For whats its worth I'm not seeing degraded performance from the usage

like phantom usage

Fuckin' weird.

[twin lagoon]

try disabling bluemap for a sec

./bluemap pause

then see if the cpu usage lowers

[void bobcat]

the hell is this a dynmap copy lol

[twin lagoon]

it's a dope alternative

https://bluecolored.de/bluemap/

problem is that it can be heavy & it fucks your GC, does tons of allocations

[void bobcat]

Shit no kidding

thats crazy detail

[twin lagoon]

ya it's dope

[waxen panther]

mmm name seems familiar

[twin lagoon]

i only know him from carson's smp thing a year ago

[void bobcat]

Yeah I ran SMPLive

and a few other things.

yeah that was the culprit

[twin lagoon]

if you want to keep using it

limit it to 1 thread or something

bluemap config

[waxen panther]

aaahhh

liquid

[grand pewter]

iv been trying billys map recently as well

its 700mb of disk space for 3x 10k radius maps

[twin lagoon]

ya but it looks like ass though

[grand pewter]

pretty light

[twin lagoon]

not something everyone wants

unless i'm very tight on resources, dynmap it is

[grand pewter]

i mean its not 2.5D or 3D but it looks pretty good for being a vanilla-style map

[waxen panther]

bluemap is

[grand pewter]

bluemap looks beautiful though

[void bobcat]

https://socialrevise.com/media/02-x7QH-13.png

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-suicide-sad-falling-gif-14880518

[twin lagoon]

[magic river]

Holy shit at max zoom bluemap is like being in minecraft but with a fixed camera angle

[twin lagoon]

make sure to increase graphics quality in settings

[waxen panther]

you can change angle

[worn ember]

ok

[waxen panther]

??

[worn ember]

No.

[waxen panther]

wuts ur problem .

[modest path]

God where do you buy jelly beans