I'd take a yellow cow over a non-glowing glowing squid any day.
#general
ashen cliff
still bobcat
Eae cornada
golden gust
This is not the place to advertise/hire people, please read the rules.
spare venture
Yellow cow looked dumb tbh
A cow that has flowers on it? As useless as the mooshroom?
warm anchor
Mooshroom is not useless 
ashen cliff
A cow that has flowers on it? As useless as the mooshroom?
Woah. A squid that glows. 👏
warm anchor
Player that eats them should also glow
Huge oversight tbh
No need for optine torch mod
spare venture
Iceaologer
formal turret
oh that's right
ashen cliff
Yellow cow > everything.
ashen cliff
I'd trade 1.8 PVP for a yellow cow.
spare venture
Why do you like the cow so much lol
wild escarp
ikr
spare venture
Kay
formal turret
i remember people calling it the piss cow
spare venture
Yup
Sounds right to me
Piss cow, not glowing squid, yet another dumb villager variant. Pick your poison?
ashen cliff
Piss cow!
wild escarp
PISS COW
unkempt drift
Minecraft needs MOAR villagers that have super complex AIs. Def help out server performance
void void
fish ai
peak ginkgo
Inb4 axolotl performance fucking sucks because they're always pathing or some shit
Can't wait to tell people to disable axolotls
:)
spiral robin
Axolotls 
fervent timber
how do i chat in kitties?
ripe sphinx
cat role
modest path
golden gust
dog's aren't assholes and don't need to be made the centerpiece of somewhere
modest path
This image is bad
Whoever made this image is bad
I dislike this image with an intensity
muted storm
dog's aren't assholes and don't need to be made the centerpiece of somewhere
You've not met my dogs 👀
fervent timber
im proud of this puppy photo i took
muted storm
golden gust
To be fair, choco, you generally managed to pick that one odd breed
limber knotBOT
continuing dum cyclists, had a case where one of 'em trying to go while the light was red for him/green for me - he stopped and "waited" at the intersection for other cars to pass and then decided to mozy on off, fortunately he stopped halfway through
golden gust
For some reason they don't understand that the traffic lights apply to them too
and often put pedestrians at risk as they often don't even bother to check if it's safe first
Like, I ain't a stickler for the law so long as you're not putting others at risk, if you wanna put yourself in place to be mowed down, that's on you, imho
limber knotBOT
that along with not being in single file and such. Really annoying. Wanted to be treated like a car but with all of the "protections" of a pedestrian
golden gust
Like, I could get it if they edged through the light ensuring that nobody was crossing,etc, but, they rarely even do that
and, yea, the guy was clearly moving into the left lane as he was coming up, not 100% on overtaking rules but I don't know anybody who cares about those rules when leaving a light, if you wanna turn right, stay in the right lane
limber knotBOT
what infuriates me the most is all of the people he talked to didn't even bother to understand what happened and just made their statement
golden gust
I mean, it's the different perspectives, it's pretty hard to judge what somebody can see, I don't get why he went so far into the left lane if he was gonna turn right
Like, if you're an on looker, maybe hard to see that he was actually in the other lane as the biker was coming up
limber knotBOT
I get the perspectives, but regardless that's the most aggrevating part of it all, like they didn't even pause or hesitate to consider in the slightest
inane arrogance
golden gust
that's the general biggest annoyances with bikers and cyclists in general is that they'll ride in your blind spot, only to magically appear back out of it as they do something stupid which gives you 0 reaction time
limber knotBOT
pretty sure same sort of rules apply with getting in trucker's blind spots n stuff
golden gust
yea, maybe the biker shoulda actually slowed down instead of racing on, the, the biker was defo far from in the right, but, when you consider how the roads actually work and such, you don't coast into the left lane to turn off right
limber knotBOT
he coasted in the left lane cuz he was dum and changed his mind at the last moment
golden gust
yea, what's fun is the trucker video's where some biker is clearly in the way of the truck turning, etc and gets pissed when the truck moves
get in the right fucking lane
you're not supposed to hug the curb
limber knotBOT
where's that video
golden gust
There's like a few of them
limber knotBOT
time to get triggered today
golden gust
too dead to wanna google aroundfor some, but, not all too rare as bikers seem to forget that not everybody can see them
unreal quarry
everybody sees me :3
i got bright ass leds on my bike ^_^
here you go robo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-AB1yzzW0
magic river
TIL you have to get a pilot's license to fly drones commercially
Like, if you wanted to use a drone to get aerial shots of some real estate for a listing
golden gust
Yea
The rules at least over here in the UK are headache inducing if you ever fall into "I wonder" and dare google it
spiral robin
@cosmic raft
cosmic raft
aber
what should i eat
subway? kfc? mcdonalds? donair? five guys
@spiral robin !!
golden gust
am not a good person to ask for food based decisions
I basically order from only like 1 singular place
unkempt drift
as always, my recommendation is Panda Express
warm anchor
zzzcat probably order so much the place know what he wants when they see him
golden gust
I order online, because, yolo
cosmic raft
ok I ordered something
golden gust
and, everything is shut down anyways; Only other places the stuff I generally want is gone by the time I care to go, so, I don't bother, especially in winter as I can't really walk too far without my knees hating my existence
magic river
I order online and they still all remember me 😛
Shit I used to order so much before I moved to Florida for a couple years the first time I ordered from there after I came back they still remembered me
golden gust
Yea, the delivery driver at this one places recognised me when I moved lol
Think I confused him coz I used to always order to another part of the city
magic river
The drivers probably love me, it's like 5 blocks away from the store
They can just add me to taking another order and bang it out real quick for some extra cash
spiral robin
ok I ordered something
What was it !
vestal jasper
!
golden gust
my auntie told me a fun story a few yers ago
So, there's this road which is on a main road, it does come off the highway further down but there's generally a better route for most people so it's not all that busy, so, they have those priority lights there
She came from some side-street onto it and must have missed the pickup coil or something, so she was sat there for like 5-10 minutes or something stupid, and given it was dead, she pulled out
she ended up crapping herself as she saw a cop car when she pulled out
apparently he must of just been sitting there and saw how long she'd been waiting there
unreal quarry
theres a few lights around here that i have to pull up passed the white line and wave the car behind me to get closer to trigger the light :3
golden gust
Never ridden a bike, but, you see from the fun clips that especially in the states it seems like a fair chunk of highway patrols have officers who have some level of interest in riding so generally know of the joys of stuff like some lights not working for bikes
cosmic raft
What was it !
subway
golden gust
obviously wouldn't feel as safe doing that in some city vs somewhere kinda rural i don't think
void void
Does anyone of you know a sumo plugin 1.16 (FREE)
limber knotBOT
void void
But this is not free :(
viral raptor
.g waypoint plugin 1.16
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/waypoints.66647/
viral raptor
woah
golden gust
that's literally just a google ddg search thing, please use google, asking us if somebody knows X a niche plugin for free is generally gonna be slim or "first potentially applicable result on google"
viral raptor
yeah i noticed
split path
Do creeper farms not work on paper servers? PLayers complaining about there super low rates on the server.
I even adjusted the per player to 22 and stuff like that lol
wraith trail
Yes, but there are some considerations. Go to #paper-help
split path
Alright cool thank you
golden gust
you, erm, ran out of direct memory
austere ivy
something I never really appreciated until I became a developer is the fact that Minecraft literally throws the exception message straight at you
like no, "Oh! Something happened! We might've run out of memory!" like other games.
nope, minecraft is straight up like textBox.setText(e.getMessage)
limber knotBOT
Yet another instance of how mojang cares about it's players :D
austere ivy
giving the youngins early exposure to Java I suppose, which seems to have paid off, considering any young person who ever played Minecraft has grown up to be a plugin developer. (note, this statistic was proven to be true in my sample group. which is of size 1. myself.)
oh, and for the folks in the EST time zone, happy Friday! :)
golden gust
To be fair, it's a balance between useful info to users and useful info so devs can help you
golden gust
generally java messages are pretty straught up to the cause if you're capable of reading them
NPEs, etc, are a PITA, but, mojang generally captures the areas where they're most likely to fuck up with state, etc
austere ivy
I really really want 16 LTS to get adopted fast
golden gust
part of the horrors are around "how do you make pretty errors out of exceptions not in your path", etc
austere ivy
those new switch cases and.. most importantly
unreal quarry
17 will be lts
austere ivy
pattern matching are so important. I really wish to be able to use them in plugins.
oh will it be 17? thought it was 16.
unreal quarry
16 coming here soon
golden gust
Like, many exceptions do things like localization depending on what called it
unreal quarry
17 in september
golden gust
imagine having to pattern match for every language, etc
and, yea, 16 is LTS, every 3 years/6 versions
*17
Keyboard is annoying
Think something got in there again, and I don't wanna pull it apart, AGAIN
unreal quarry
throw it in the dishwasher
austere ivy
tbh I don't really understand how pattern matching works, I just know that
if (sender instanceof Player) {
Player player = (Player) sender;
}
gets turned into
if (sender instanceof Player player) {
}
and I desperately want it
unreal quarry
if it comes out working, great. if not, just buy a new one. either way its a win
zealous wedge
pattern matching scope is a bit weird
austere ivy
if it comes out working, great. if not, just buy a new one. either way its a win
protip do the same thing with laptops. guaranteed 100% success rate
hey zml!! :D 
zealous wedge
since something like
if (!(sender instanceof Player player)) {
return;
}
player.sendTitle("Whee!");
is valid
hi brian
golden gust
it's a sealed keyboard with wireless
and finding something decent with all the media hotkeys which isn't stupid is a PITA
austere ivy
since something like
```java
if (!(sender instanceof Player player)) {
retur...
that's awfully weird. you'd think it'd stay in the if statement. I wonder why they did that
unreal quarry
ash been typing for awhile.. this gonna be a novel :3 i'm trying to go to bed, but now i'm intrigued lol
austere ivy
same here. ash, please continue. we all await.
golden gust
So, basically, it's like kotlin
runs
the way they map it to a different lvar is weird, but, java 🤷♂️
limber knotBOT
the trick is, java just needs to take all the good things from kotlin but none of the bad
it's less implicit or something I guess
"names matter" right
golden gust
To be fair, the way kotlin does it is nice but weird
austere ivy
how's kotlin do it?
golden gust
Like, especially when refactoring it can get scary
the compiler is smart enough to determine when an instanceof applies to something
and so it will automatically basically see the variable as being of that type
cosmic raft
since something like
```java
if (!(sender instanceof Player player)) {
retur...
I don't like that
zealous wedge
who wants to bet ash fell asleep on their keyboard
austere ivy
hey kashike :D 
zealous wedge
and is just filling up a message box with something
cosmic raft
I prefer
if (sender instanceof Player player) {
player.sendTitle("Whee!");
}
untold copper
you, erm, ran out of direct memory
unpossible
cosmic raft
feels less hacky to me
ripe sphinx
since something like
```java
if (!(sender instanceof Player player)) {
retur...
wait I hadn't been keeping up w/ java, is that gonna be a thing?
austere ivy
who wants to bet ash fell asleep on their keyboard
oh.
ripe sphinx
bruh
untold copper
oh
golden gust
?ban @wet elk spam
leaden oxideBOT
I can't find user @wet elk.
zealous wedge
oh
woven otter
lol
austere ivy
I'm so disappointde
ripe sphinx
all that anticipation
zealous wedge
sad
austere ivy
genuinely. I was so excited to read a novel :/
unreal quarry
damn it
untold copper
sad
unreal quarry
i looked away and didnt see what ash said
ripe sphinx
was a massive list of invites
zealous wedge
was a message full of invites
cosmic raft
spammed 500 discord invites
untold copper
yes
unreal quarry
why does the ban bot have to delete things? 😦
ripe sphinx
hi kashike 
unkempt drift
ik, annoying
zealous wedge
just use irc lol
unkempt drift
I want to see what they did
ripe sphinx
irc
austere ivy
I want to see what they did
it was very, very short lived but just.. a long list of invites.
Minecraft servers I think. I wonder what they were trying to accomplish?
zealous wedge
i wonder why ash would expect anything but an immediate ban out of that
ripe sphinx
yeah there's a bunch of IPs at the end
woven otter
why is dyescape in there 
austere ivy
was Ash a regular here?
ripe sphinx
oh and a few hosts 
zealous wedge
no
austere ivy
oh, okay. I was going to say, if they were, I'd think maybe they were hacked
guess not
woven otter
bot gone wrong?
ripe sphinx
also there's a few user#discrim - user id at the top for some reason
(or does the irc botto turn pings into that?)
austere ivy
either Ash owns a ton of mc servers and is horribly failing at advertising them or they're trying to make certain servers look bad
ripe sphinx
yeah assumed so
austere ivy
does anyone have any drawing suggestions? I do a daily drawing kinda thing in my night routine and I've got no clue what to draw.
woven otter
draw a duck
zealous wedge
draw a dead duck then
zealous wedge
roast duck on a platter?
untold copper
my one weak point. I can't draw living things.
I can't draw.
zealous wedge
smh ducc why are you so oily
golden gust
untold copper
ok
unreal quarry
its not even readable, tbh
untold copper
why everyone so 
golden gust
I found out a fun stupid thing that toString and hashCode are ext functions which just return 0 if null, was tryna use that to show it being upset
but, if you interact with test before that return in a way which doesn't allow a null value, e.g. not a stupid ext function hiding in plain sight, it would shout at you for tryna do stuff with null
zealous wedge
because many of us have used kotlin snoopa
it'll probably be fine in like 5-10 years if it has some time to mature, but right now it's kinda messy
golden gust
it can also determine that it can see test as being a string after that, so it doesn't need to cast in the language, etc
austere ivy
I can't draw.
try learning. would you like to see one of my first drawings that I attempted?
golden gust
I really like the language in a lot of respects, but, it's also pretty dumb in many areas too
some of those cool things get pretty fragile when tryna go OTT with refactoring, etc
zealous wedge
and nobody has gotten their coding standards down in terms of what features aren't used and what sort of styles work well
untold copper
try learning. would you like to see one of my first drawings that I attempted?
o.O sure
I mean i can draw diagrams and stuff no problem
but i cant... "draw" draw
golden gust
Like, it's a nice language with a lot of nice sugar, but, I can't wait for some of it to kinda fuck off into the irrelevancy of "oh shiny"
zealous wedge
yeahh
golden gust
like you get projects which are basically just 200 ext functions which is pissing annoying
zealous wedge
yeah, extension functions can be super over-used
untold copper
level 500 nice
ripe sphinx
I wish the syntax was less...verbose w/ the keywords, when I played with it once it felt like I needed a literal dictionary next to me
golden gust
it's okay, but, if you're coming from java I can see it being very weird
zealous wedge
kotlin has a lot of syntax lol
untold copper
jUsT uSe PyThOn
golden gust
Like, the syntax is generally akin to the english words of stuff, which you generally I'd imagine have some understanding of
zealous wedge
but my main issue is the tooling isn't mature enough yet
golden gust
the fact that there is a !instanceof type thing is fucking amazing
zealous wedge
yeah, i like that
ripe sphinx
yeah that's some of the sugar I wish java had
and obviously the whole "nullibility is a part of the type system" is the main draw
zealous wedge
but like with all the validation kotlin supposedly has, I can get better feedback just using standard nullability annotations and static analysis tools like error-prone and IDE inspections in java
and compile times are better, the IDEs are less buggy and faster....
ripe sphinx
but kt kinda feels like python, js, and java pulled a yatopia
zealous wedge
no dealing with dokka's shit
golden gust
to be fair, I find that working in kotlin in my own stuff is nice, but, I write java-esque so to speak
zealous wedge
yeah
austere ivy
quack
zealous wedge
alrigh, new website banner
austere ivy
I am currently in bed but I will do that tomorrow and ping ya when I do :)
void void
@slim nymph, Sorry to ping you but is there any JSON api for your Aikar Timings report? I've searched for around 2 hours now i could not find any. Thanks!
void void
Omg
lethal locust
I want to start an anti 1.8 movement
I want many developers to get together and drop support for 1.8
1.8 honestly brings disgust to my insides at this point
lethal locust
No, I am not
vernal moth
That ship has long sailed and the vast majority of servers runs 1.16
lethal locust
There are still many
lethal locust
Let's get it to 0%
vernal moth
They are deeeeddd
lethal locust
I am fine with 1.12
spare venture
??
lethal locust
Just not 1.8
lethal locust
@spare venture I don't think you know what you are talking about
vernal moth
Well, be the change you wanna see in the world, remove that code from your plugins, when ppl complain link them to the last working version
Pretty ez
That's what all others did
The idea of dropping 1.8 isn't revolutionary, lol
spare venture
I think I know what I’m talking about.
No one is forcing you to support a dead version.
lethal locust
The idea of dropping 1.8 isn't revolutionary, lol
Yeah, it's annoying and stubborn
vernal moth
Mmh?
How is dropping 1.8 stubborn?
So many of the server owners I know who were ultra into 1.8 all updated the last year
1.8 is deeeed
minor badge
I support all the versions I can so long as it's convenient, and usually set some minimum version to support (e.g. 1.15, so I can drop any version up to this willy-nilly)
vernal moth
Again, be the change you wanna see in the world
Many plugin devs also force java 11 already for example cause they wanna see that changed
lethal locust
That's fine
vernal moth
(and together with papers announcement, half of all paper servers already run java 11)
lethal locust
Although I think forks will be the Java 8 killers
vernal moth
Well yes paper will kill java 8 instantly with 1.17
lethal locust
I wish it was Java 15 though, some features are really cool
spare venture
Devs will still use java 8 as long as spigot is a thing
vernal moth
That's on the devs 🤷♂️
spare venture
Mhm, I’m not too worried about it
vernal moth
And even on spigot you can use java 11
lethal locust
Devs will still use java 8 as long as spigot is a thing
Then let's just tell md_5 to drop support
vernal moth
And really should, for performance reasons alone
spare venture
My plugins have been on java 11 for a long time
lethal locust
Which I think he will have no problem with
spare venture
vernal moth
Md didn't even update Bukkit to java 8 after server was already java 8
spare venture
He probably will refuse to drop support because paper is pushing java 11
vernal moth
Let's not get our hopes up for md doing anything useful, lol
spare venture
Yup
lethal locust
That's hypocritical
vernal moth
No, that's based on experience
spare venture
md5 is very predictable
lethal locust
To be honest with you, I have the same appreciation for both communities
And if people don't like my appreciation for the other community, I just don't care
vernal moth
You get something wrong. I appreciate most of the effort he puts into this. I just don't appreciate him as a community lead.
That also doesn't have anything to do with not having appreciation for the community he leads
Only reason I left that community was the lead and how he reacted to situations at hand
vernal moth
Hatred is emotional. What you most likely are experiencing (ppl telling other why the fuck you still on spigot, get moving) isn't that emotional, as paper and other works are objectively better in like every single way and it's hard not to see that
Like, the only downside i can see in paper compared to spigot is that we fix dupes, which some ppl in this Community seem to hate, lol
lethal locust
Paper is better, I don't disagree
vernal moth
(hate -> emotional -> they don't have actual arguments)
vernal moth
That's ok
That's why we offer stuff like paperlib so you can still utilize papers more efficient apis to not hold back your paper users (which most likely are in a majority) by your decision to support spigot
lethal locust
I've also been in similar positions where I've been heavily criticised, although nothing like md level, so I understand the pain that comes
spare venture
Yeah I agree with that mini, my issue is how md5 runs the community and the project. I love how paper is open source
And actually fixes bugs, focuses on performance
vernal moth
Well, there is one single reason why md acts how he acts: he does everything alone. Just opening up internally more would be huge for the project. But he can't do that as a human
spare venture
I don’t pay attention to upstream so I don’t know what’s all going on but I never hear them fixing much besides API
md5 controls everything and it’s just impossible for the project to thrive under one person, especially with how resistant he seems to be to anything that isn’t his own idea
vernal moth
Here at paper, every decision gets discussed with the team, nobody does anything alone, we complete each other that way and find the best possible solution
lethal locust
many forget md is a human and treat him like a machine. I need this, I need that, I demand this, please do this. Years pass and such leading position can cause serious harm in one's character, making them act they way they do
spare venture
He put himself in that position
vernal moth
That's the key to papers success, paper is run by a team, spigot is run by a person.
spare venture
No one to blame but himself
lethal locust
Maybe Aikar for example knows a better meaning to life, maybe he handles things better, but it's just a matter of time and high pressure for people to change
vernal moth
Evan, the critizem is that he put himself into a position where he needs to work like a machine
And doesnt accept help
lethal locust
he does not, that's true
vernal moth
He should divide that workload
lethal locust
has someone asked why though?
golden gust
I mean
minor badge
yes, it's because "nobody else can write flawless code on their first try"
vernal moth
Last stance was he never saw a perfect PR so he can't accept another maintianer or smth stupid
golden gust
Years ago on IRC, he basically said something along the lines of that he's never met anybody, bar one, who he feels competent enough to work on spigot, and that they've long since left the community
lethal locust
I am just saying, I've observed md_5 in the past, I am talking about years where I was not even part of such a community, and he seemed full of willingness compared to now
golden gust
He's about as disassociated with the entire MC community as can be while still maintaining a presence
vernal moth
Only one who ever got close md was thinky. And he only did the 1.8 update and then gtfo and away from md
golden gust
Note that literally every community in mc, you'll see people from varying projects in other discords, etc
minor badge
Last stance was he never saw a perfect PR so he can't accept another maintianer ...
though it is somewhat ironic
olive garden
Thinky? Is that the full nickname?
vernal moth
I am just saying, I've observed md_5 in the past, I am talking about years where...
Yes he's really detached and lost all like fun and energy from my perspective
coarse lily
While the script posts for him.
golden gust
paper has been good friends with sponge for years, and we've even helped one another back and forth with design decisions, patches, etc
vernal moth
Thinky? Is that the full nickname?
Thinkofname/death, now working on agentks team on hytale
olive garden
👍
vernal moth
Maybe it's best for md to just stop and move one in life, I still find that plausible to happen after he's done with uni and needs to reconsider his life choices
Best for him as a person
golden gust
I mean, be more interesting to see common servers with kash given that he gets around more than me, but, spigot is basically a walled up garden
zealous wedge
can md move on at this point? does he have any professional connections outside of MC?
vernal moth
He's still at uni zml
zealous wedge
wait what how
upper flicker
he’s going to end up leaving with a PhD at this rate
vernal moth
At least that's how I understood it
upper flicker
I think he’ll be fine
zealous wedge
is he actually younger than me?
vernal moth
Yes
zealous wedge
or is he doing the 10-year undergrad program
vernal moth
He was a child when he started
zealous wedge
so was i lol
vernal moth
Mbax might know
upper flicker
weren’t we all
coarse lily
No :(
golden gust
glares over at billy
upper flicker
youre just jealous you don’t have a sick beard like he does cat
zealous wedge
i was like 14 when i started contributing to bukkit?
golden gust
I just kinda shaved today 😦
vernal moth
I have been growing a nice quarantine beard
coarse lily
I totally need to shave.
zealous wedge
actually maybe 13 idk math is hard
golden gust
i gotta consider getting a nose trimmer if I wanna full beard
coarse lily
I also need a damn haircut.
A nose trimmer? I think you're doing a beard wrong, cat.
vernal moth
i was like 14 when i started contributing to bukkit?
But that was earlier than spigot, right?
zealous wedge
didn't spigot start in like 2012 or 2013?
golden gust
I'm gonna have grandad whiskers in the not too far distant future
zealous wedge
so i think me n md are similar ages
vernal moth
Yeah am around that age too
So if you assume he wasn't done with school when he started, and uni for bachelor and masters takes at least 5 years, and you say he took a bit longer cause he's not in a hurry, not impossible to 🤷♂️
olive garden
"not in a hurry"
zealous wedge
who would willingly do a master's tho
olive garden
yeah, let me just fail because I ain't in a hurry
zealous wedge
i barely made it through one degree lol
lethal locust
personally, I don't even know what to study. I am interested in too many stuff I am actually lost
zealous wedge
and i was in a program that would graduate basically anyone with a pulse
vernal moth
I took half a year longer than needed too, lol
untold copper
The original thiccboi 5000 failed, so this is thiccboi 5000 v1_0.1 test and its working for now :D
olive garden
I want to finish ASAP
untold copper
(if ur wondering what it does - it compresses iron into iron blocks)
vernal moth
Yeah kinda same zml, i ain't going back to uni to get a masters, am happy i was gifted this bachelor's (and it was still hard for me)
coarse lily
I have a few friends who have a few degrees.
zealous wedge
i had some AP credit or w/e, so I managed to have like one class in my last semester
vernal moth
Isn't that pretty usual? Around here, you always have just like on course in the last semester and your thesis
zealous wedge
we don't do thesis for undergrad
olive garden
same here mini
zealous wedge
unless you're like honours
vernal moth
Well, it doesn't really matter in our industry
coarse lily
True.
vernal moth
I just took the bachelor's because it was on work time and it was getting me more money
coarse lily
In tech you can be utterly degreeless if you have the skill.
waxen panther
though it is somewhat ironic
leak ?
zealous wedge
in many fields
coarse lily
Yeah
zealous wedge
proxi confirmed leaker
coarse lily
But especially in tech
lethal locust
it's just that, when I am done working at something, I don't use computers for anything else, I am actually a bit disgusted by them
vernal moth
Having a paper that tells you something still helps open doors, especially when you young and don't have the CV to back you up yet
coarse lily
Yeah
lethal locust
I see computers as a place to work and nothing more
coarse lily
And in certain schools you make connections or learn some processes.
Which can be handy.
lethal locust
some see entertainment, I don't
coarse lily
But it definitely depends on what you want to do.
waxen panther
i think im going to get my degree and then never touch a computer again
going to become a lumberjack or something
zealous wedge
i was trying for that broc
waxen panther
I think I would too 
zealous wedge
but then my industry disappeared
waxen panther
😔
lethal locust
I think BTC will do well and then I will have enough money to never work again
zealous wedge
pandemics, smh
coarse lily
The lumberjack industry, zml?
zealous wedge
nah, theatre
coarse lily
Ahh
vernal moth
Good plan, brocc.
For some reason that is really common in the US, i think tech is more mentally demanding in the US so ppl need the exit more than here
coarse lily
Yeah.
golden gust
zealous wedge
nah, the tech industry is just cursed
vernal moth
I don't see myself ever leaving it
coarse lily
Theatre is cursed, too
vernal moth
I don't think i can survive without writing code
coarse lily
The Scottish play etc
waxen panther
computers are too stressful
lethal locust
I hate the tech industry, it's so unhealthy
vernal moth
I hate the tech industry, it's so unhealthy
While that might be true for the industry as a whole, many many companies are good to work at
lethal locust
I love the thinking, but I hate sitting for hours, I feel like I am not designed to do that
coarse lily
Computers attract a certain kind of sycophant.
vernal moth
Which is why am so scared to leave here, lol
coarse lily
So you have to watch out for them.
lethal locust
I was struggling 1 year to lose some weight until I learned by a doctor that stress caused by my stressful job was blocking my metabolism
zealous wedge
nah, theatre has actual decent working conditions mostly
vernal moth
I love the thinking, but I hate sitting for hours, I feel like I am not designed...
Well, in a corporate setting you don't sit that much, getting get your ass up and talk to ppl
waxen panther
its not
waxen panther
ur like the nicest person in this guild
coarse lily
Hahaha
vernal moth
Don't ask yourself what you have done. Ask yourself what you could have done!
coarse lily
A new wrinkle in your brain.
coarse lily
I don't think I'm the nicest person here.
vernal moth
Just thinking that would make it untrue 😂
coarse lily
But I do generally behave nicely here, probably.
lethal locust
programming is !healthy
golden gust
I'm a really nice lovable person and show a worthy amount of respect to everyone
vernal moth
I am nice when I feel nice and I am an asshole when I feel like shit
coarse lily
Ha
lethal locust
I am nice but I try to be an asshole 24/7
coarse lily
I spend a lot of time trying not to be an asshole when I feel like shit.
Especially lately I feel like shit a lot.
vernal moth
Don't have the mental strength for that most of the time
golden gust
u luk lyk it 2
coarse lily
True.
vernal moth
Especially since some part of me enjoys being an asshole, lol
coarse lily
I had to climb up into the rafters of this tiny fucking space to fix a thing today.
And man I felt my age.
vernal moth
Ez solution for me rn is to just not use my phone and lock myself up
coarse lily
Like "fuck I can barely do this"
golden gust
nothing like waking up and going to bed feeling 50 years older
coarse lily
I guess I'm basically dead at this point.
vernal moth
You know, 21 is peak life 😂
vernal moth
25 is half dead
coarse lily
I have but months to live.
vernal moth
30 is about ded
olive garden
peak life during covid :dab:
lethal locust
oh great, I went 21 a few weeks ago
vernal moth
I am 23 😂
lethal locust
i guess this will be my peak and then I will proceed with death
sounds like a plan
vernal moth
I'll be 24 in 2 months
vernal moth
I am at the age where i need to think/calc about how old I am lmao
lethal locust
imagine if my future kid asks me what I did for a living. "I made l33t anticheats for a blockgame son"
I cringe
spare venture
why did I think you were like 28 mini
olive garden
because he's bald
coarse lily
Someone asks and you answer and say "Wait shit I'm off by a year (or two)"
olive garden
almost
vernal moth
Mini wait until you get it wrong.
My sister had to correct me before, lmao
golden gust
I think as you get older, you wanna forget
so, eventually you gotta calc it on the spot consistently
or, try to remember, which is like, I got old persons memory
waxen panther
idk i think my life peaked at 7
lethal locust
Well, 20s is certainly the most fuckable period of your life, so take advantage of that
waxen panther
the good old days
vernal moth
imagine if my future kid asks me what I did for a living. "I made l33t anticheat...
It's also how you see yourself in a community. I see myself as a modder for a game that actively shapes the future of said community. I can life with that
coarse lily
Really good ice cream?
waxen panther
where i'd go outside and enjoy running around
spare venture
elementary school was nice
spare venture
yeah
waxen panther
its not the same 
spare venture
I think I’m gonna do that tomorrow
coarse lily
Yeah true.
spare venture
Just run around for a few hours
vernal moth
why did I think you were like 28 mini
Guess you saw a selfie of mine 😂 😂
spare venture
Yep
lethal locust
It's also how you see yourself in a community. I see myself as a modder for a ga...
I am fine with my creations, I can live with them. They are certainly an achievement
vernal moth
So nothing to be ashamed of them
lethal locust
people also stopped talking about my plugins lagging the server, so I am happy I did something right 😂
golden gust
We just avoid talking about it
spare venture
maybe the people who cared stopped using them 😉
lethal locust
nah
lethal locust
With this beard am looking even older
I actually have a beard and not a mustache
I can grow one, I just shave it, I don't like it
spare venture
I’ve had a full beard for a few years. I keep it pretty short, like 1-2cm, it’s nice because you don’t have to shave very often.
spare venture
Some people just have sensitive skin
golden gust
me too, which is generally why I aim to find stuff which works well for my skin
spare venture
I use an electric razor for my neck and an electric razor with a 1cm guard for the rest of my bears. Super easy to shave and maintain
And doesn’t irritate mine at all fortunately
lethal locust
let's just say that I can go under the sun for 16 hours with 35 degrees celsius without a body problem but a huge face problem
I am Mediterranean btw. Some of you like mini are probably going to burn in 1/8th of that time, so don't try it xd
topaz mortar
lethal locust
you are white, I believe that
until you meet someone from norway, sweden or finland
then you feel black
vernal moth
My sister is black compared to me
It's really funny, she looks like she's adopted
But we look really similar, it's just the skin color that doesn't fit at all
spare venture
I am part Swedish, German, Austrian, and Irish. Very white
lethal locust
@vernal moth I have a bit of tan there, but you get the point. Norway style
visual egret
oh hi snoopa
vernal moth
Bit red cause hot shower, but am white
Also, magnificent orange quarantine beard 😂
untold copper
nice beard
vernal moth
No clue where am going with this
mossy vessel
Billy 2.0
vernal moth
Just didn't shave since xmas, cause my hair is messy as fuck anyways
And I don't even have somebody to kiss rn who could complain, so might as well just see where this ends 😂
lethal locust
Looking good
untold copper
less hair on the forehead part
vernal moth
Of course, lol
untold copper
rip
topaz mortar
Since Christmas... the advantage of being younger.
spare venture
That’s you not shaving since Christmas?
untold copper
imagine being as old as martin
vernal moth
This was me in school, that's 5 years old
potent fossil
sexy german boi
vernal moth
Look at my hair there and my hair now 😂
untold copper
This was me in school, that's 5 years old
this is better
spare venture
My beard would be so god damn long if I didn’t shave for over 2 months
untold copper
iMaGiNe HaViNg To ShAvE XD
vernal moth
It's longer than it looks barty but it curls
Idk how to properly do stuff with it
Not that I care
spare venture
Yeah mine grows to your length after like 2 week. Have to shave so often even with a beard
untold copper
wow ya'll skin color is so light
lethal locust
Mine isn't, lol
zealous wedge
This was me in school, that's 5 years old
omg you're so young there
spare venture
That’s only 3cm mini?
potent fossil
Snoopa young as expected
vernal moth
Benefit of being from Greece or wherever lol. Also being handsome by default ^^
lethal locust
xD
vernal moth
That’s only 3cm mini?
That was a guess
untold copper
Snoopa young as expected
yes, and the girls adore me 😉
ANYWAYS i look bad in that XD
mossy vessel
Snoopa young as expected
simple 
untold copper
my arms are so thin smh
spare venture
I’d say mine grows around 1 cm a week
lethal locust
Mine grows a meter a day
vernal moth
That's insane barty
lethal locust
My beard*
untold copper
zzzCat face reveal wen
spare venture
Maybe a little less. 0.7-1cm I’d say
potent fossil
you dont wanna see that snoopa
vernal moth
I think avg is like 1.5cm per month
I wanna say i know how cat looks like, but not super sure
vernal moth
Yeah, so 20 days to a cm
spare venture
So I’m probably closer to 0.5 cm per week
vernal moth
I always felt it was fast too, and the first days it's just really visible
spare venture
Well, I’m going off the fact that I shaved yesterday after a week of not shaving and it was definitely around 1cm
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<@!134340832093405184> I have a bit of tan there, but you get the point. Norway ...
Norwegian here. Almost as white as my tiles 
cosmic raft
hm
need to find some sort of link/image "database"... view/add/delete, add/remove tags, search by tags
frigid scroll
Hey everyone, is anyone perhaps known with commandblock codes? I need some help
olive marlin
Ask your real question, otherwise tougher chance that anyone will answer.
frigid scroll
I need help writing a code that will dig out a perimeter in my creative world. So i can test a farm i thought of.
olive marlin
Won't something like /fill ~ ~ ~ ~16 3 ~16 air work? Should remove whole chunk of stuff.
Then just move further and run it again.
frigid scroll
Yea but it's a 1k x 1k perimeter.
Lets say you take 80 x 80 x 2 fill commands. You'd need to put in over a couple thousand commands.
waxen schooner
morning all
frigid scroll
Goodmorning
waxen schooner
how are we?
frigid scroll
Pretty good, hbu?
waxen schooner
oh wow
frigid scroll
Its not that bad.
They just cotton swab some of your brain cells through your nose.
waxen schooner
frigid scroll
And within 24 hours they know if you have the coronas
waxen schooner
yeah ik
frigid scroll
And in the Netherlands they urge you to test whenever you can any kinds of symptoms that may be corona
have*
untold copper
Norwegian here. Almost as white as my tiles <:KEKW2:673275280260857880>
lol is that natural or you just don't go out in the sun enough
waxen schooner
in the UK we get it back like 3 days afterwards lol
well actually, might've changed, but it used to be proper slow
frigid scroll
Yea but the UK's quite a bit larger then the Netherlands lol
The population here is like 18 million. 67 in the UK
waxen schooner
yeah but the UK government is also shit
we've done way too much procrastination, and we wonder why so many people have died
untold copper
untold copper
hm
waxen schooner
😐
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lol is that natural ~~or you just don't go out in the sun enough~~
natural. i'm saami (native people of Scandinavia), so kinda in our blood not to get tan i guess :p
untold copper
interesting
twin lagoon
proximyst 
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hello michale
olive marlin
Thanks GithubActions! I almost missed it!
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waxen schooner
think I kinda remember you now btw Michael
twin lagoon
i don't remember myself either it's fine
waxen schooner
been a while lol
untold copper
twin lagoon
snoopa noone knows what a crore is here
ashen cliff
Did you overclock the 5950X yet?
twin lagoon
kruisic no
waxen schooner
Thanks GithubActions! I almost missed it!
I love those code analysers
ashen cliff
Do it!
waxen schooner
they basically say "your code is shit, here's how to fix it"
minor badge
thats just rustc output, bombardy
waxen schooner
oh so that's why they say Rust is super safe
untold copper
1 crore is = 10 lakhs
vernal moth
need to find some sort of link/image "database"... view/add/delete, add/remove t...
Like a DAM? Digital asset management. I gave been looking at pimcore for work. It's open source. One other idea would be a data driven cms where you can organize stuff yourself, there i can recommend directus, use it at work too
untold copper
wait dont tell me you dont know what a lakh is
vernal moth
@cosmic raft ^
minor badge
rust is super safe due to its borrow checker
waxen schooner
yeah I heard its compiler literally spots everything
untold copper
1 crore = 1,000,000 @twin lagoon
minor badge
no, its just how the lang works
waxen schooner
never actually wrote in Rust tbh
minor badge
fn drop<T>(t: T) {}
let test = "Hello, World!";
drop(test); // give `test` to `drop`
drop(test); // Compile error! We no longer own `test`!
I've wrote a hell of a lot of Java and Kotlin, a bit of x86 assembly and C, and I like to use Python for hacks.exe sometimes
but that's about it
section .data
message db "Hello World!", 12
section .text
global _start
_start:
mov rax, 1
mov rdi, 1
mov rsi, message
mov rdx, 12
syscall
mov rax, 60
mov rdi, 0
syscall
hello world in x86 NASM Linux assembly
the amount of times I've wrote that now I swear lol
I now remember that entirely off the top of my head
don't ask why I want to learn assembly because I can hardly answer that myself
ashen cliff
So. Do you know any other instruction other than mov?
I know mov is OP AF, but still.
waxen schooner
add, well, adds things
cmp compares things
jmp jumps into subroutines
I know there's some bitwise operands in there as well, like shr and shl
and maybe div is a thing for division
mov is probably the most used though
but control flow in assembly is a bit whack
you basically do this: ```x86asm
cmp 1, 2
jne somesubroutine
Rust is 
waxen schooner
which means "compare 1 to 2, and if they're not equal, jump to somesubroutine"
can't remember what sys_read is
also, that's NASM assembly btw, because AT&T syntax is disgusting
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https://github.com/Proximyst/beeOS/tree/master/asm/src/arch/x86_64 i think youll enjoy this then
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wat
waxen schooner
registers beginning with e are 32-bit and ones beginning with r are 64-bit
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yees
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you know this is a boot sector right
waxen schooner
is this MBR or UEFI?
minor badge
https://github.com/Proximyst/beeOS/blob/master/asm/src/arch/x86_64/longmode_initialise.asm its 64 bit once longmode is enabled
waxen schooner
actually I can probably answer that
minor badge
MBR
waxen schooner
wait I swear MBR limits you to 512 bytes
minor badge
for boot, yes
grub handles bootloader and hands off to the kernel's boot sector
this is not a bootloader ^^
waxen schooner
ah, it's boot loaders that are limited isn't it
I remember trying to learn all this when I had absolutely no idea about anything lol
minor badge
in a sense, yes
though i cant explain anything in depth anymore, this was last touched 17 months ago or whatever github said
waxen schooner
fair
cosmic raft
Like a DAM? Digital asset management. I gave been looking at pimcore for work. I...
hmm, maybe yea
visual egret
google meet moment
vernal moth
A dam might be overkill, directus is very cool
Good for all kind of data you wanna enter by hand and retrieve by code
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I also made some csgo thing to learn memory hacking with on Windows: https://github.com/Proximyst/Yuki
Not the best code, but is okay Rust if you need something to look at. birbfetcher defo has some of the best on my repos
vernal moth
(you can also enter by code but whatever)
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it has no actual cheats michale
its just some injectable code that prints some things, really
and will probably crash your game now given how old it is
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wat
waxen schooner
(source: https://metrics.lecoq.io/)
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I haven't touched PHP in years
olive marlin
Proxi uses PHP? 🤮
waxen schooner
¯_(ツ)_/¯
waxen schooner
Proxi uses PHP? 🤮
imagine being a PHP user amirite
peak ginkgo
Rust 
twin lagoon
@olive marlin 
minor badge
Proxi uses PHP? 🤮
I actually don't have a single PHP repo according to GH's lang selector
twin lagoon
proxi is lying
waxen schooner
no clue where it's getting the stats from them
ashen cliff
All Private. 
waxen schooner
must get them from old stuff
ashen cliff
Some of the stuff there is just placeholders.
twin lagoon
kotlin 
minor badge
Haven't used Kotlin seriously in a long time either
olive marlin
@twin lagoon 
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it is probably my #1 still tho
waxen schooner
crusade of Java fans incoming
xD
I said the word
or have we finally moved on from crusading against Kotlin
olive marlin
I don't like Kotlin mostly because I don't like JVM and the ecosystem.
waxen schooner
I mean, Kotlin is multiplatform
olive marlin
I know.
waxen schooner
it does compile to JS and native code as well
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Kotlin/Native is a joke and Kotlin/JS is still JS
waxen schooner
but literally nobody uses Kotlin/JS or Kotlin/Native lol
limber knotBOT
kek, my boss is a champ. I told him "I wanna learn more about webpack, this lal sucks and I break it all the time". He now hired a cofounders of webpack to teach my and my team for a few days 😂
waxen schooner
wow
limber knotBOT
lets see how that goes
waxen schooner
also, what you doing on IRC smh
olive marlin
But from all the JVM langs I could use to make plugins, Kotlin is least annoying.
limber knotBOT
work time = irc time
waxen schooner
fair
waxen schooner
I think that's probably a good thing lol
limber knotBOT
I only got on my phone to respond to Prof in DMs 😅
Thanks for reminder, though. I work again >.>
I should work again >.>* heck
olive marlin
That could have waited lol
limber knotBOT
It's fiiiine
waxen schooner
anyone got any good IRC clients btw that don't ask for some bull shit license after a while
limber knotBOT
They only expect us to work properly for 6 hrs, plus I've got some time to compensate
I use thelounge w/ ZNC
Still meaning to try out weechat, but mhh
limber knotBOT
right
I mostly use it because it doesn't really need updates, whereas thelounge does.
here now
cosmic raft
wish me luck
limber knotBOT
bloody hell I don't use this often
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
Lucko, do your thing!
Blender?
yeah gl
also, imagine having things to make in blender lol
the only things I've made recently are my logo (had to remake it because I was using a 176x176 compressed version I downloaded from Google+ because I lost the original)
it was originally 500x500 for reference
it's now 1000x1000, with the same Juniper Std Medium font that I must've used when I made it like 5 years ago lol
waxen schooner
limber knotBOT
I've given up on using my logo, feels to impersonal for things that are supposed to represent me
olive marlin
I need to find someone to make me a nice logo and avatar.
visual egret
i just hopped into photoshop and after looking through a few designs i found something cool
waxen schooner
this is the original btw
visual egret
should just have AI upscaled smh my head
limber knotBOT
well, not the original original, since I had to re-export it in GIMP, that's why it's called bbg-new.jpg, because I think it used to be a PNG and I changed it to a JPG so the downloaded one kinda broke
and I've changed operating systems so many times
also, idk whether I should be ashamed that I'm receiving emails from BlackSpigot saying they updated resources I'm watching
I swear I don't use it that often, I'm just not against piracy of software that's filled with obfuscation and DRM's
ashen cliff
You do know that BS has it's own DRM right?
limber knotBOT
I didn't, but seems legit
as I said, don't use it that often
but I hardly ever trust Spigot premium plugins these days, because they generally either have one of three things: shit code, obfuscation, or a shitty API (or even no API)
I like doing some reverse engineering sometimes
especially anything against that Ruany dick head
I use BlackSpigot to test stupid premium plugin issues people open here. However when it's behind some paywall, it usually leads to issue just being closed 🤷♀️
sharp sentinel
Can we please not have discussions promoting / defending piracy please
limber knotBOT
yeah I'm not promoting piracy (or at least, I don't think me saying I like reverse engineering counts)
sharp sentinel
Sure - was just saying that before the conversation developed further
sharp sentinel
Hi 😛
limber knotBOT
How's your evening?
visual egret
I use BlackSpigot to test stupid premium plugin issues people open here. However...
proxi ._.
limber knotBOT
you know Ruany? I opened an issue on the LiteBansAPI asking if he could add some helper methods, to make it actually useful, and he said "I don't want to add things that would make people more likely to come to me"
I swear that just drove me round the bend so badly
untold copper
yes i have nitro
limber knotBOT
What's up, Oskar?
sharp sentinel
Yeah it's decent - I made a pretty decent stir fry so good in that regard 😛
How about yours
untold copper
@visual egret 
limber knotBOT
also, he's so arrogant
visual egret
hi
limber knotBOT
I'm thinking over what to have for lunch at the moment. Meeting in a couple minutes.
untold copper
p i z z a
limber knotBOT
nice
limber knotBOT
lucky
visual egret
i know lol
untold copper
yeah
sharp sentinel
Ngl, I had so much free pizza at Uni events I used to run back when I was in uni, that I'm basically sick of pizza at this point
untold copper
lol
sharp sentinel
Only so much cheap pizza one can eat
limber knotBOT
lol
ashen cliff
Me, while you are here. I have another tmp issue with WE...
https://posili.me/i/2021-02-12_10-58-07.png
limber knotBOT
I'm pretty sick of pizza too, really. Perhaps I should skip and do some proper dinner?
wait... WorldEdit's in Kotlin now?
sharp sentinel
I don't understand your question?
ashen cliff
Same as last time. Clean up.
sharp sentinel
Nah, WorldEdit has documentation generators written in Kotlin
sharp sentinel
I don't recall last time lol
ashen cliff
I like my temp clean after compiles.
untold copper
I'm pretty sick of pizza too, really. Perhaps I should skip and do some proper d...
you should have tacos
:3
idk what you eat out there
limber knotBOT
I eat tacos a lot too, fairly sick of them
ashen cliff
sharp sentinel
Ohh, that one
sharp sentinel
I guess if you make a new issue octy may look into it once she has time?
visual egret
snoopa when you said that the bossfight was boring
limber knotBOT
it was basically where everyone was back in the day
the days before Skype and Discord
I'm not old enough to remember those days lol
untold copper
snoopa when you said that the bossfight was boring
yeahh
limber knotBOT
The MC community used to be almost entirely IRC before ~2016
that was the year I got my PC and moved to Minecraft PC lol
visual egret
everyone in my discord saw that
ashen cliff
Once it annoys me enough.
limber knotBOT
I do like IRC, but I feel Discord is generally much more convenient
the only thing I remember was Skype and then I got my Discord account in January 2017 I believe
(got my PC in November 2016)
Eg, functional message history that's easy to go back through, decent mobile apps, etc
yeah
is IRC client-server btw?
sharp sentinel
Basically, yeah
limber knotBOT
not P2P
sharp sentinel
There's some extensions that make use of the CTCP (which is P2P)