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[twin lagoon]

proxi

bloodstone

[olive marlin]

Michale

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@twin lagoon hewo

[merry talon]

wow

TIL conde nast was founded in 1909

And they own reddit????

er their parent company does

[cosmic raft]

yea like

10 years ago or so?

yea 2011

[merry talon]

I always thought they were some small company that owned a few youtube channels

[mossy vessel]

So much snow

[cosmic raft]

hi

[twin lagoon]

hello

[vernal moth]

Can confirm

Your uni sucks then, we learned git in the java intro course, like second month of uni

[ashen cliff]

All we learned was: You need to write 3x more documentation then you have code.

[vernal moth]

Generally, the key is to modernize while the old ppl are still there

Docs don't help you that much

The software just needs to go really

[cosmic raft]

gives @vernal moth an AS/400 since he lost the old IBM stuff

[ashen cliff]

So you had to write a hello world program with 3 pages of documentation and still fail as they didn't like your explanation of print.

[vernal moth]

Oh our mainframe we will only shut down in like 2035 or smth kash

[cosmic raft]

kek

[vernal moth]

And even then some cobol stuff will live on in the cloud

But we have been migrating stuff away for a decade now

[cosmic raft]

let me guess...

azure? :p

[vernal moth]

Like, all tariff calculation for buisness customers is already pure java, the project for the first 3rd of private customer stuff is going since two years now

And we will move most databases to postgres this year

Like, even our fucking content management system uses DB2 on the mainframe

It's so fucking expensive, lmao

[cosmic raft]

guessing you use azure for cloud based on what you just said?

[vernal moth]

And yes, the first cloud provider we are going with is azure, but the whole mainframe in the cloud thing is hella strange, idk if that runs on azure

[cosmic raft]

aha

10 points for kashike

[ashen cliff]

Just host it on Oracle Cloud.

[vernal moth]

We had good experice with azure ad b2c, we need azure ad for internal users anyways, and teams and exchange and stuff, so we are already a customer then, so it's easier to get a couple hundret VMs then

Needs to be hosted in germany for compliance krusic

[ashen cliff]

I was a joke anyway.

🤔 But they do have a German datacenter.

[cosmic raft]

UPS uses Azure B2C as well

[vernal moth]

I kinda was the tech lead for the b2c migration, getting regulatory approvement took almost longer than the project

[cosmic raft]

I mean

I would be worried if that only took an hour to say yes

:p

[vernal moth]

The contract we signed with msft was physically shiped from redmond to island to us to regulators to us to island to redmond

After it had been digitally approved

[cosmic raft]

kek

[vernal moth]

Was really fun, since our test data is only pseudo anonymised (whoever did that made a huge mistake....), So technically i wasn't even allowed to test with my test data since I was disclosing customer data with an outside party, it was such a mess

So we basically had to go out of our way to create fake test data

[cosmic raft]

heh

[vernal moth]

Which isn't an easy task too do since it needs to be consistent

[cosmic raft]

sounds like a pain

[visual egret]

im usually not asleep at midnight

i luv paper

[cosmic raft]

not funny oskar

[visual egret]

wat isnt funny

[ashen cliff]

Let's make oskar maintain legacy code.

[visual egret]

i can fix the twitter section on your website

[vernal moth]

Which they ppl just took prod data and scrambled name, first Name and addresses around and get the other relationships or smth 😂

Idk exactly how it works, i would hope telnumber and iban and shit is also randomized

[olive marlin]

Oskar want to become Cobol developer for 35K PLN/month?
runs

[vernal moth]

But i think it's possible to find real data in our dev env

[ashen cliff]

30 PLN.

Without the k.

[visual egret]

what is cobol 👀

wtf

[olive marlin]

It's a very nice language.

[golden gust]

enterprise programming language

[visual egret]

no i hate it i just looked it up

[vernal moth]

Cobol is an english like programming language 😂

[olive marlin]

Not your baby language. It's the real deal!

[visual egret]

tf is this

[ashen cliff]

Not VIM.

[vernal moth]

Cobol is also not as Bad as ppl think

The mainframe is what makes it bad

But in a sane company, you can get away with mostly not interacting with the actual main frame

[ashen cliff]

So just like PHP?

[vernal moth]

Needless to say that this is not a sane company and every single line of cobol is writing in a 32 80 terminal like that

[golden gust]

Cobol is something I look at like I wouldn't wanna work in it daily

[olive marlin]

For some reason after system upgrade, my pc decided to open some file in micro instead of vim.
Managed to open built in help page, but it doesn't mention how to exit it xD

[golden gust]

maybe the odd "oh shit" is tolerable

[vernal moth]

But cobol is also not hard

It's really structured generally

And really simple, as in, no complexity

[ashen cliff]

The hard part is reading old code without documentation isn't it?

[golden gust]

but, like, the language is dead, if you wanna earn some big bux you can train in it and become a small % of people on the market who understand it enough to help companies still using it and migrate off it

[vernal moth]

Got a few gotchas, you basically run into buffer overflows daily, but that's about it ^^

[golden gust]

Not a language I'd bank on for in 30 years time, however

[vernal moth]

Cobol isn't dead and it will continue to live on for at least 2 or 3 more decades

It gets actually still new lang features i think

[golden gust]

(no doubt there's gonna be some bank or insurance company still stuck on it)

Yea, but a language is only as useful as the flow of people trained in it

[vernal moth]

Not even that

[golden gust]

the number of people training for cobol these days is slim

[vernal moth]

Like, when i go to my local furniture store, the employee will enter my order in a mainframe interface ^^

[golden gust]

Like, the number in my group in like a few hundred people class was like 10 or something

Kinda wanna play with some mainframe stuff at some point as it was kinda fun to work with though

[vernal moth]

When I saw that I was till learning cobol in uni, so i was hella confused since I thought cobol was useless

[golden gust]

How many companies do you think do new deployments using cobol?

[visual egret]

https://twitter.com/justpaulinelol/status/1358446754224603138 epic

[vernal moth]

The guy wasnt much older so i asked him what he thinks and he said it was awful at first, since learning curve is steep, but it's faster to work with than anything he ever used before

Productivity wise, such terminal interfaces are just not yet met

Usability wise they are insanely bad

But once you got how to use them, you are hella fast

[golden gust]

We did have a way to upload files from/to the terminal through the unix interface iirc

That was too handy vs working on that fucking damned text editor they have

[vernal moth]

My boss came from an other insurance company, they got a way nicer cobol setup

All sources are in git, real ide on windows with capabilities to deploy and run jsx task or whatever the lang was, even a real debugger

[golden gust]

jsl?

[vernal moth]

So you can make that work if you want

[golden gust]

or, wait, jcl?

Yea, the biggest headache was working on that darned terminal, if you can get away from that it's a lot nicer

the interface for the system is annoying, but, once you learn all the like quick ways to get to some common stuff it's not too bad

sometimes feels like you gotta run from one end of the house to another to be able to do stuff

I do recall figuring out how to basically have multiple "windows" too or something which was handy

[vernal moth]

Yeah jcl

Job control language

[untold copper]

world is 50GB uncompressed

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-02-08_11-11-00.png

No border was a mistake.

[untold copper]

yeah

doing

[potent fossil]

👀

[untold copper]

run that in a batch file @void void ?

or just normal cmd?

k lemme make a copy of the world first

yeah XD

what if i want a 5k area around spawn

not to affected

I don't use mca selector much

its not

still

i think you can have an and?

lemme see

yeah there's an xpos and zpos option

not concerned abt that

i kinda want to preserve a 5k area around spawn

also

I tried doing inhabited time

I did inhabited time less than 1 min

it selected most of my spawn

[bold iron]

Does anyone know the bukkit plugin API website like spiget?

[potent fossil]

There's a very limited and unsupported one that "could be taken down at any moment" as per some of the staff in the IRC channel I visited on curseforge but that's it

If you're talking about dbo

@bold iron https://bukkit.gamepedia.com/ServerMods_API

There ya go.

It doesn't support much

[golden gust]

think they're asking for something akin to an api for accessing bukkit dev

[potent fossil]

yeah, doesnt exist

[golden gust]

oh, nvm

Yea, that thing is dead i think

or maybe not

[potent fossil]

There's also this, but it's all of curse and not just bukkitdev https://github.com/TheRandomLabs/CurseAPI

not sure if you can scope it

if so, cool

oh yeah you can. you can filter searches by game id

may have to use this myself. good find, me!

[olive garden]

What's an effortless way to have a downloadable build for the latest commit in a github repo? Using GitHub actions works, except the files expire after some time and are no longer downloadable

Could I use JitPack to offer a download link? lol

I don't want to set up Jenkins - I don't want to host it

[golden gust]

yea, jitpack is the easier public option assuming all your libs are in public maven repos

[potent fossil]

can GH actions just upload the archives somewhere else?

[golden gust]

if you depend on nms, git fukt

I gotta get like a cana-derp saying "get fucked" cos it sounds the best from them

[potent fossil]

ok gudnayt errybawdy

.kill zzzCat

[limber knot]

reaches out and punches right through zzzCat's chest.

[olive garden]

I'm sure they could, but where would that be?

[untold copper]

3tb of mechanical storage

someone give me an ssd .-.

[olive garden]

JitPack is for publishing libraries, but I want to publish an end-user application

but hopefully that's no issue lol

JitPack doesn't need to know 👀

[olive marlin]

Depends how big the download is, but you could probably upload it to S3/GCS for next to nothing, download is free. And you can point domain at your bucket.

Since you'd only keep latest, that shouldn't cost almost anything.

Or try with Google Drive xD

[olive garden]

I have an FTP server, but I don't want to deal with tokens, login stuff, etc lol

[olive marlin]

But less pretty.

[olive garden]

hmmm

could I use GitHub Packages instead of JitPack?

No clue why I would do that, JitPack always worked for me

[quick pasture]

Why not github tags?

Release per version the source code & compiled binary

[untold copper]

y e s .

[olive garden]

github releases?

I don't think I can automate GitHub releases

nvm

I can

in that case the only issue with them is that having hundreds of releases might not be something GH likes

[visual egret]

ok i just found out im on an adsl router

what does that mean :p

[untold copper]

.g adsl router

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) A digital subscriber line modem is a device used to connect a computer or router to a telephone line which provides the digital subscriber line service for connection to the Internet, which is often called DSL broadband. The term DSL modem is technically used to describe a modem which connects to a single computer, through an Ethernet port, USB port, or is installed in a computer PCI slot. The more common DSL router is a standalone device that co

[untold copper]

hm

[quick pasture]

For latest commit downloads I suggests sticking to github actions, when you have proper releases make a tag&release for it

[olive garden]

the issue with GH actions is that the download expires

I don't plan on having "official" releases due to time/energy constraints of my life

[visual egret]

you can change expiration tho

[olive garden]

oh?

https://github.blog/changelog/2020-10-08-github-actions-ability-to-change-retention-days-for-artifacts-and-logs/

[visual egret]

https://github.com/actions/upload-artifact

[olive garden]

nice

thx

still doesn't help me though, it's at most 90 days

[ashen cliff]

What are you even trying to do?

[olive garden]

Jenkins without Jenkins

[visual egret]

just run it on a cron job every 90 days?

[ashen cliff]

Simple.

[visual egret]

or even shorter

[olive garden]

requires a VPS

[visual egret]

no

[olive garden]

no?

[visual egret]

you can make the trigger cron i think

[ashen cliff]

Push Github actions artifacts into another Github repo.

[olive garden]

lmao krusic

[ashen cliff]

Do it.

[meager tusk]

you joke but..

[visual egret]

@olive garden https://futurestud.io/tutorials/github-actions-trigger-builds-on-schedule-cron

[meager tusk]

it's ugly but it works right

balkan way

[ashen cliff]

The true way.

[olive garden]

oh my god

thanks oskar

that's great!

[visual egret]

https://i.imgur.com/yjo1JGd.png

windows moment

[meager tusk]

weren't you using some distro

[ashen cliff]

Don't ask.

[meager tusk]

My bad.

[visual egret]

adobe has great support for linux idriz

innit

[ashen cliff]

CS6 works fine.

[visual egret]

you need to pirate it to get it running

on linux

[meager tusk]

Yes.

[visual egret]

and i need latest version anyway

of premiere

so yeah

[twin lagoon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/lf3i6b/overclocked_ecc_memory_with_a_5900x_my_results/

@ashen cliff when are you buying a hetzner 5950x and overclocking memory

[ashen cliff]

Don't have a need for it yet.

Tell Leaf to stop optimizing stuff.

[twin lagoon]

that's a bad excuse

you know that you want to do it krusic

2666mhz to 3600mhz

[ashen cliff]

I currently want to get a free FA506QR.

But it's kind of sold out.

That would be a hell of a ride tho.
https://posili.me/i/2021-02-08_13-47-53.png

But @twin lagoon I'm sure you can get at least 4000Mhz on those sticks.

[twin lagoon]

[ashen cliff]

I'm expecting KVM info soon.

[limber knot]

oh wtf, Tesla has bought 1.5 billion bitcoin and wants to start accepting it as payment

[twin lagoon]

yes very epic

[cosmic raft]

hm

[limber knot]

I was like "wtf, why am I getting transaction emails for my pretty high sells" lol

[ashen cliff]

Epic.

https://posili.me/i/2021-02-08_14-14-16.png

Very.

[limber knot]

it's insane how fast the rates of lots of altcoins is going down

[peak ginkgo]

Idk are we selling DOGE yet I just wanna be rich and forget about it

[limber knot]

dude the peak was yesterday lol

[left swift]

Is that the first time a large corp integrated bitcoin?

[limber knot]

doge is going to crash hard now, I bet everyone is going to sell not knowing why it crashes lol

no, microsoft accepts it iirc

as well as newegg

(and twitch but I don't think of them as big)

[left swift]

Interesting

[peak ginkgo]

Just sold for $150

I didn't spend more than $30 when I bought

[limber knot]

once again I wish I hadn't sold 100k at 40 satoshi last month lol

only had a 100% profit :(

[peak ginkgo]

Robinhood fucked me when they limited GME

I saw gains in the thousands fall in one morning

[limpid comet]

1.5 billion BTC or 1.5 billion USD worth of BTC

[limber knot]

in bitcoin

[limpid comet]

The latter

[limber knot]

yeah lol

[limpid comet]

I read that and was like dear lord

Still a stupid sum of money though

[limber knot]

1.5 billion BTC would be insane

[visual egret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kixKhypM7Ps&ab_channel=IGoByLotsOfNames

[twin lagoon]

blue

[visual egret]

[limpid comet]

Michael

[limber knot]

oof I I did not expect to see this today lol https://i.phoenix616.dev/gh5GjEsH.png

[twin lagoon]

https://twitter.com/cryptowat_ch/status/1358767035409440768

Cryptowatch (@cryptowat_ch)

$BTC explodes 10% in 18 mins as @Tesla purchases $1.5B worth of #Bitcoin
Real-time chart: https://t.co/vYzcF4kWN3

Twitter · Feb 8, 2021, 1:18 PM

[ashen cliff]

Very nice.

[limpid comet]

What does sec filing mean

[ashen cliff]

Financial statement.

[limber knot]

whelp, looks like what little of altcoins I had will just become worthless lol

Stellar Luman (XLM, the coin keybase pushed is dropping even faster than dogecoin)

[ashen cliff]

Don't worry Ethereum 2.0 will surely go up.

[limber knot]

*Lumen

also the downfall of Litecoin is just sad to watch :(

[opal thorn]

ok sure, papermc is good i can say thats for sure

but what do yall think is the best fork of paper

[twin lagoon]

tuinity

[magic river]

[cosmic raft]

tuinity is basically paper with experimental stuff for the most part

[peak ginkgo]

I loved XLM :((

I've been shilling XLM since day one after I learned what it was

[limber knot]

just another alt coin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[topaz mortar]

like a warp 10 light engine.

[limber knot]

I wish I had more bitcoin so this course change would actually affect the worth of it lol

(beyond a couple bucks)

[cunning raft]

To be fair master branch is not really experimental like it was in the concrete days :p

Everything's well tested nowadays

[limber knot]

would be pretty insane if musk is just pump and dumping bitcoin lol

[worn ember]

Stocks are so weird

[limber knot]

especially unregulated ones ;D

[worn ember]

Well crypto isn't really a stock but people using it as one

[limber knot]

it's a strange mixture of stocks and currency exchange

because some crypto is definitly seen more as investing into it's functionality than as money

[worn ember]

How do exchange sites even pay people out. Let's say i trade 0.5 btc where the hell they gonna get 20k lol

[limpid comet]

Anyone here used nuxt? Pog or cringe

[cunning raft]

They likely have their own wallet(s) of bitcoin worth millions where they will take your bitcoin and give you it's current value

[limber knot]

exchange sites take fees

[cunning raft]

They don't lose money because they bet on someone in the long one buying bitcoin

[limber knot]

and investors invest in it to get a cut

[golden gust]

they're using nuxt for hangar

so, yea

[worn ember]

So, cringe

[limpid comet]

wtf

hangar = cringe?

[worn ember]

I see thanks

[cunning raft]

For now, I hear the next rewrite they're gonna use x86 assembler

[golden gust]

Don't give them ideas

[limber knot]

also technically you trade directly with a seller/buyer, not with the exchange site

[worn ember]

Krusic is probably already emulating it on a toaster chip

[limber knot]

you don't ask "where does ebay get the money from when I sell stuff on it?"

[cunning raft]

Little different phoenix

[limber knot]

not really

[cunning raft]

Iirc coinbase doesn't match buyer/seller

[worn ember]

Yeah I'll just stay away from

[limber knot]

oh, yeah, I guess the big exchanges might have enough capital to just buy and sell themselves

after all there is the concept of "market makers" in trading which simply offer capital so that a trade will always be possible on the platforms which "employ" them (this is a thing in stocks too btw)

[worn ember]

People in 2000: let's rob a bank
People in 2021: let's rob a wallet

[limber knot]

robbing wallets is so 2015 though

2021 is: let's rob wallstreet

[worn ember]

Oh right now we use reddit

[cunning raft]

Yeah now you just manipulate the market on reddit for everyone to see

[limber knot]

or "let's rob all banks at once"

holy fuck, people are still buying doge

god, reddit is dumb

[limpid comet]

this is not new news

also, for the people keeping track of the kaden.sh lore, the domain decided to work

it was cloudflare

[warm anchor]

They really do wanna push doge to $1 huh

[worn ember]

It's just elon getting the memers to boost the price so he can buy out

Me: does 10 pushups
Also me: ok that's enough sips coke

[limpid comet]

ded lets have a pushup contest

[woven otter]

surely it's time dump your life saving in doge

[worn ember]

bruh i've never been this weak in my life

[left swift]

[woven otter]

im sure the pandemic made us all into fat fucks

[cosmic raft]

it'd be nice to get a job one day again..

[worn ember]

[golden gust]

i read 's job' and was like, wat

then I realised he mean't 'a'

[woven otter]

same lol

[limpid comet]

i've been working out all the time

it gave me time to get back into shape

[cosmic raft]

it says a!!!

[woven otter]

#paper-github message

[limpid comet]

what phone

[golden gust]

[cosmic raft]

guess

[limpid comet]

something nexus?

[cosmic raft]

OnePlus 7 Pro

[limpid comet]

oooh

[cosmic raft]

worst decision ever

[limpid comet]

the ui looks close to stock

whys taht

[golden gust]

OP don't really theme it

[limpid comet]

i miss non-samsung uis

though they did just push one ui 3 or whatever and i like it

[golden gust]

there's like a few thing's you'll see on the homescreen, but it's all pretty stock

[limpid comet]

thats nice

i do miss the og ui

[cosmic raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/683102049638154260/JPEG_20200228_160305.jpg
It just randomly broke/cracked
It was never dropped

[limpid comet]

tf

[limber knot]

i've been a fan of both oneplus devices i've owned

[cosmic raft]

right where the button is

[limpid comet]

my s10+ is definitely cracked but that was enitrely my fault

[limber knot]

did you contact onepluss support kashike?

[limpid comet]

ive sent this thing through hell and back and there's only a little damage in the corner of the screen

[cosmic raft]

no point jamie

[golden gust]

OP is generally apparently ass about like manf faults

[cosmic raft]

did not buy the warranty

[limber knot]

OnePlus are pretty good about this stuff

[worn ember]

Anyone watching The Expanse?

[limber knot]

oh did you buy the device second-hand?

[cosmic raft]

no

well its been broken since like a month after i got it

[worn ember]

lol

[limpid comet]

question to web ppl

is there any reason to not let cloudflare handle my SSL stuff

[cosmic raft]

not really

[limpid comet]

i just run my web server on 80 with no https and cloudflare = just werks

[cosmic raft]

you can do ssl between you and cloudflare too

[twin lagoon]

oneplus is ass

[cosmic raft]

using their origin certificates

[twin lagoon]

i would do what kashike says yes

use their origin certificates and only serve over 443, firewall cloudflare ips

[limpid comet]

ok i will look into that ty

[limber knot]

i wouldn't call oneplus stupid michael

[vestal jasper]

My oneplus has been much more reliable than my lg phones tbh

[limber knot]

they've built up their company very quickly, filled what was a niche. I don't like all of their decisions over time, but they have respect from me

[twin lagoon]

i said they're ass nowadays

not stupid

businesswise they're smart but they're ass

[limber knot]

huh

[vestal jasper]

Both lgs eventually had their fingerprint scanners cease to work. One of em would hard reboot every other minute.

[limber knot]

wait, what's your defintion of ass?

[twin lagoon]

their software has gone down hill

[limpid comet]

michael is this what u were talking about https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-host-a-website-using-cloudflare-and-nginx-on-ubuntu-16-04

[worn ember]

laughs in 6 year old huawei

[twin lagoon]

their pricing is dum

yes blue

[limpid comet]

tybb

this will be so epic

[worn ember]

EPIC GAMER MOMENT

[mint sequoia]

i might be unironically about to upgrade my server cpu from a 670 to a 6700

[twin lagoon]

wat

[mint sequoia]

currently its running an an amd 670

[cosmic raft]

i said it first

:(

[worn ember]

michelle, whts your favorite cheese?

[twin lagoon]

idk

[worn ember]

old cheese or young cheese

[twin lagoon]

old cheese >

i'm not really a cheese guy in general

[worn ember]

[limpid comet]

wtf how could i do this to u kashike

[visual egret]

kash you know you have statutory rights

... right

[minor badge]

not all countries & states do

and they vary greatly on how they work

[visual egret]

oop

i assumed kash was in uk

[minor badge]

kash is canadian

[visual egret]

yeah thanks

got mixed up with cat

[limpid comet]

Kash is actually a mountie

[forest verge]

which version is good for a hub server
optimization and stability with low resource

[twin lagoon]

1.16.5

[minor badge]

depends what blocks you need and whether you plan on asking or paying for support

[visual egret]

latest

[vestal jasper]

1.16.5

[visual egret]

if all players are in the same chunks and those chunks are loaded, latest (1.16.5) will do

[minor badge]

if you pay, the lightest version for your needs, else 1.16.5 ^^

[forest verge]

im already using 1.16.5 i need light weight version for hub

[twin lagoon]

1.16.5 is fine for hubs

[visual egret]

then just tune your settings

set render distance low, try to make hub as small as possible, keep those chunks loaded, etc

and after that, you just swap your paper jar for the newest one and everything will work on newer versions except some plugins

[forest verge]

ok

https://github.com/ME1312/VanillaCord anyone using this ?

[visual egret]

but why

[minor badge]

just use fabric lol

[visual egret]

just run paper/tunity or purpur if you want extra stuff

or what proxi said

[forest verge]

lot of them asking for vanilla

[visual egret]

you dont need a vanilla server to make a vanilla software

[golden gust]

I've used it in the past but the thing is generally a case of hunting around for whatever build is working, but, it does work

[visual egret]

lots of people use paper as vanilla

just dont install anything and you have a vanilla server

[cosmic raft]

lol @vernal moth I love running into java 9 issues

[golden gust]

paper is not vanilla

[visual egret]

its vanilla but better

[cosmic raft]

java.lang.IllegalAccessException: class ch.qos.logback.core.model.processor.DefaultProcessor (in module ch.qos.logback.core) cannot access class ch.qos.logback.classic.model.processor.ConfigurationModelHandler (in module ch.qos.logback.classic) because module ch.qos.logback.classic does not export ch.qos.logback.classic.model.processor to module ch.qos.logback.core

[visual egret]

with extra configuration

[forest verge]

but paper changed vanilla features

[golden gust]

there is a well accepted difference in behavior between vanilla and paper al la cb and spigot

[visual egret]

then disable them in the config @forest verge

[golden gust]

as well as the sheer horror that we fix bugs

you can't disable all of the changes

[visual egret]

most of the ones that matter you can

[wraith trail]

well yeah, to a point oskar. but even if you were to remove every patch, there are still inherited differences from cb

[forest verge]

they want to to exploit bugs

[wraith trail]

oh, well nevermind then

[visual egret]

like which bugs

[limber knot]

use fabric and FabricProxy

[visual egret]

isnt fabric already compatible with velocity

[minor badge]

no?

[visual egret]

oh

ok

[forest verge]

like dups that patched in paper

[minor badge]

you need a mod to add functionality; fabric only acts as a loader/framework

[visual egret]

you can disable those in config ^^

[golden gust]

not all of them...

[visual egret]

no shit cat

[worn ember]

where do people buy dogecoin? might aswel get rich of the memes right

[waxen panther]

oskar

[visual egret]

wut

[waxen panther]

how many times cat gotta say you're wrong

[minor badge]

coinbase

[twin lagoon]

Kraken

coinbase does not have doge

[minor badge]

heck

[visual egret]

they were probably referring to the more notable ones like tnt but ok

[twin lagoon]

unless you have a creditcard however i would suggest signing up for both kraken & coinbase

[minor badge]

got a meeting w a kraken guy tomorrow actually

[twin lagoon]

kraken

[worn ember]

ok thanks

[minor badge]

coinbase is nice tho

[twin lagoon]

coinbase generally has more EU instant deposit methods

[minor badge]

use it for btc & eth

[twin lagoon]

ya

kraken for anything esle

[visual egret]

coinbase smh

[minor badge]

sorry forgot kids are in the chat

[forest verge]

you guys ever read that agreements?

[waxen panther]

paper kindergarten channel

[worn ember]

i mean

[minor badge]

always read any financial agreement fully

[visual egret]

i do because i dont want my stuff terminated becuase im underage

i only read the relevant parts

[twin lagoon]

oskar you can't use it

[worn ember]

anything involving buying requires you to be 18 lmao

[twin lagoon]

you need KYC / ID verification for any exchange

[waxen panther]

stop using the internet until ur 18

thx

[visual egret]

no thats dum

[minor badge]

i didnt have to ID for coinbase fwiw

[twin lagoon]

any exchange or financial service in 2021 will want your ID

[twin lagoon]

you didn't have to way back in the days

now it's required

[minor badge]

im a fairly new user

[twin lagoon]

shut up proxi

.

[visual egret]

mum let me buy doge pls

[minor badge]

ive got less than 200€ invested though

so i might not be high profile enough yet .

[twin lagoon]

you need to verify your ID on registration here

can't do anything otherwise

[limber knot]

there are still ways lol

[limber knot]

e.g. buying stuff with cash

[visual egret]

like mining

[void void]

Proxi are you EU?

[minor badge]

huh

[void void]

ID verification is only the US and some other countries

[minor badge]

EEA legally

[twin lagoon]

i kinda doubt they'd limit ID verification to certain countries

[minor badge]

live in EU now tho, waiting for the tax agency to do its thing here

[void void]

Well Im sure its more beneficial to them to avoid ID verification where they can

but here in the US its required by law D;

[limber knot]

just don't be in the US

god, Doge is up again to what it was before the crash

[minor badge]

Bitcoin also seems to have gone up a lot

[peak ginkgo]

Crypto is scary shit

I might hate myself but not that much

[limber knot]

yeah, Tesla bought 1.5 billion USD in bitcoin

[minor badge]

wtf

[limber knot]

and the rate jumped up 4k once that news was released

[safe plover]

anyone knows what's this IDE ?

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/🛬🌃🍖.png

[twin lagoon]

intellij

w/ a theme

[peak ginkgo]

IntelliJ with the ugly material theme

[void void]

I honestly dont fully understand crypto. What exactly are people mining that gives crypto its base value?

[minor badge]

damn

[peak ginkgo]

sek

[limber knot]

M​oi​st​Pe​nc​il​: non reversible, verified transactions

like cryptographically signed ones via the internet

[visual egret]

Material UI plugin on intellij

[minor badge]

ETH is not doing too shabby either, but not such a spike

[limber knot]

of course the value is pure speculation but it does have some applications outside of being used as a currency

[peak ginkgo]

GameStop is crashing still

Doge is mehhhh

I'm suffering

[waxen panther]

oh nooo no free money

[limber knot]

well eth-btc still hasn't recovered from the crash lol

[void void]

GameStop was inevitably gonna crash lol

[peak ginkgo]

Yeah but not by fuckery

[limber knot]

but eth moves slower due to more market capital anyways

[peak ginkgo]

And not by force

[safe plover]

I kind of want to host a minecraft server on my iphone again

[twin lagoon]

Ok.

[peak ginkgo]

GameStop was meant to crash when we wanted it to

[void void]

Forget about market manipulation thats market jedi force

[limber knot]

wasn't gamestop already a failing company long ago? like I know nobody who actually liked gamestop and their company tactics lol

people have been shitting on them for years it seems

[visual egret]

lean at that point you might as install geysermc on that thing and play with friends after lockdown is over

[safe plover]

i could, but should i.. ?

probably not

[visual egret]

i mean its cheaper than realms

[safe plover]

true true

[left swift]

[visual egret]

and then both pc nerds and mobile nerds can join

[minor badge]

gamestop apparently has a shop here

[waxen panther]

physical game stores

[safe plover]

id be better off slapping a server on an old laptop, that would run it better imo

[limber knot]

how do you trade in a digital copy anyways?

[safe plover]

is Minecraft PE worth it ?

[visual egret]

asking here too ^

[limber knot]

worth what?

[safe plover]

worth buying

[limber knot]

no?

[safe plover]

ok.

[visual egret]

why

[safe plover]

^

[limber knot]

why would you want to play without mouse and keyboard?!?

any touch fps game is just shit

[visual egret]

because ur not always at a computer

[limber knot]

buy it when it's 10ct

[visual egret]

wut

[safe plover]

i mean

theres a java launcher for phones right now

[limber knot]

because ur not always at a computer

[safe plover]

not like its fully stable, but it works

[limber knot]

that would imply that you actually play minecraft

[waxen panther]

ah yes

[limber knot]

playing the same game for over 10 years is pretty Pepega

[waxen panther]

minecraft, the shooter game

[limber knot]

runs

well it's first person and you have a bow that you shoot

[visual egret]

i installed gun mod for minecraft 1.5.2

[waxen panther]

unsurprising

9 year olds love guns

[visual egret]

brocc you want to know the funny thing

1.5.2 wont even run on my pc

[waxen panther]

go play cod mobile

how

[visual egret]

idk

it crashes when i run it

[visual egret]

wat

is that a jb or on app store

[safe plover]

jb

[visual egret]

send me

ill make sure to download when it comes out for newest ios

[safe plover]

its alot better on androids, on iOS, its very experimental at the moment

[waxen panther]

idk if i trust oskar with procursus

[safe plover]

kekw

[waxen panther]

gg

[woven otter]

wat wat wat

[minor badge]

hm?

[safe plover]

@visual egret https://github.com/pojavlauncherteam

[woven otter]

which crash

[vernal moth]

I feel ya

[limber knot]

D​uc​k: The "Tesla buys all Bitcoin" crash

runs

[safe plover]

Im suprised about how well it actually runs

except the random crashes of course

[velvet hare]

would you guys recommend pterodactyl or cubecoders(AMP)

[limber knot]

the open source one lol

nobody would shill for some paid product anyways

[ashen cliff]

Except if they didn't pay for it.

[limber knot]

👀

[void void]

https://yatopia.lol/

[limber knot]

nice advertising

[minor badge]

yes we know, @mossy vessel made it lol

[warm anchor]

man I love nmf

[limber knot]

also how tf was that video made?

is that just a guy reading stuff for money?

[warm anchor]

paid on I believe

[left swift]

Fiverr

[warm anchor]

You can hire anyone to read anything you like phoenix

[woven otter]

we'll see how it goes with bitcoin but some big players are into cryptomarket so it will be interesting

[limber knot]

I should just hire people to make some youtube videos lol

[left swift]

Big players like deejay

Making millions

[limber knot]

he has wat, 100 dogecoin!?!

[left swift]

[limber knot]

that's practically a million!

[warm anchor]

I will love the doge coin to go to the moon

[limber knot]

I mean it already is, 1 Doge = 1 cent was a meme when it started lol

now it's 1 doge = 8 cent

I guess the next meme to make real is 1 Doge = 1 USD xD

[warm anchor]

I bought at 0.3 cent

last year

[limber knot]

I mined 100k when it came out 👀

sold most of it already though lol

[visual egret]

i just generated into a random world and saw this
looks so similar to old title screens

[left swift]

No

[warm anchor]

hi oskar thanks for sharing

[minor badge]

eternity pog

[warm anchor]

Proximyst

[minor badge]

is outdated 😔

[warm anchor]

update pic coming up?

[mossy vessel]

[cunning raft]

laughing out loud!

[left swift]

Sharing My Heals

[minor badge]

?warn @void void Bad memes nowhere, good memes in #memes - not general.

[leaden oxide]

elwolf6#3883 has been warned. || Bad memes nowhere, good memes in #memes - not general.

[void void]

yes!

[visual egret]

am i supposed to have access to #adorable-pets

[golden gust]

no

[visual egret]

well fix the perms then i guess

[cunning raft]

No

[golden gust]

oh, maybe they adjusted it 🤷‍♂️

[minor badge]

they did some reform a few days ago (duh)

[cunning raft]

Lockdown maybe fucked it up?

[golden gust]

yea, but, didn't know they did that

[minor badge]

i believe some folks wanted it public, but dunno

ooh maybe

[golden gust]

or if that was intentional for that channel 🤷‍♂️

[left swift]

Hi cat

[golden gust]

am do bed thing coz bed time

[visual egret]

*all admins intensely looking through discord server log to see why randoms can access #adorable-pets *

[woven otter]

damn would've been bonk now

[limber knot]

still only 8k compared to the 80k I could've had if I kept my bitcoin lol

[meager tusk]

Hello :)

[visual egret]

hi idriz

[limber knot]

(but if anyone makes big buck from crypto, remember to give some to the FSF ;D)

[cedar spade]

haven't seen that one before

[ashen cliff]

Search again.

[mossy vessel]

Currently implementing fork searching

[cunning raft]

Search harder

[spiral robin]

Hi

@mossy vessel

[burnt grove]

is there any tutorial for setting up a debug server so that i dont keep having to build a jar file and replacing the current jar file everytime?

[twin lagoon]

.g DCEVM

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://dcevm.github.io/

[twin lagoon]

use that

[spiral robin]

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

[limber knot]

oof micheal

going right for the most complex one

.g stackoverflow bukkit plugin debugging intellij

(phoenix616) https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18402675/run-configuration-to-debug-bukkit-minecraft-plugin-in-intellij-idea

first answer if you don't use maven, third for maven

or well, teh third is also odd but works I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[noble solstice]

github has gone brrrr

5 services are in degraded performance

actually some of them are in degraded availability

[waxen panther]

mdc9iu8q5

[spiral robin]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

@spiral robin

[spiral robin]

[mossy vessel]

@spiral robin

[slim nymph]

nice password

[vernal moth]

dont update steam aurora, play league with me!

[waxen panther]

sorry was trying to login to my alt account "mdcfe"

[limber knot]

why league

wen u got better games like awesomenauts and HOTS

[left swift]

Robo

[vernal moth]

didnt HOTS shut down?

[spare venture]

Does anyone want to draw a picture of a gazelle holding a deathbringer gun? The deathbringer gun from Horizon Zero Dawn

[limber knot]

no lul

it's very alive

[spare venture]

I would really appreciate it 🥺

[limber knot]

still getting new heroes too

[vernal moth]

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/blizzard/22833558/heroes-of-the-storm-news

[limber knot]

awesomenauts is the one that has updates on hold but still alive and still good, other than the new terrible tutorial

[left swift]

Is hots the moba made by riot

Nvm

[spare venture]

No dummy

[vernal moth]

thats what I remmeber

[limber knot]

that's 2018, wowo

[vernal moth]

prolly only read a clickbait title of it shutting down or smth

[limber knot]

when did I actually get into hots hmm

whenever hots 2.0 or whatever was out

[cunning raft]

and that's just their world cup thing

[spare venture]

Wow I’m surprised, HOTS jumped in super late to the MOBA genre, I figured it was going to fail fast

[cunning raft]

not the actual game

[left swift]

Did riot even make a moba

Wait

[spare venture]

League of legends...?

[vernal moth]

lmao

[left swift]

Yes

I'm thinking of hirez

Smite is what it was called

[vernal moth]

smite was always strange

[spare venture]

That game made me realize I hate the moba genre

[limber knot]

I haven't tried smite, looks kinda interesting

[left swift]

It was definitely different not being top down view

[vernal moth]

3rd person mobas are strange

[left swift]

Early versions of smite was better before they conformed to be like other moba

[limber knot]

idk if it'll play like awesomenauts or not but in fps-like (yes I know it's third person)

awesomenauts is still the most fun tho

most of the gameplay is generally pure raw action and no boring farming

hots has farming but it's much much shorter than league and the objectives on maps breaks it up

league is more like an rpg tbh, and I hate rpg genres

[vernal moth]

meh

its strategy

[limber knot]

strategy of farming is borin

[left swift]

Ur borin

[vernal moth]

then do smth

lol

[limber knot]

I like action strats

[left swift]

Play csgo the ultimate moba

[limber knot]

I don't wanna spend time fighting minions I wanna pvp now

o and awesomenauts has a theme song for each naut which is like, why does no other game have dis

and a remixed version when on a killstreak

HOTS has good music but no theme songs like awesomenauts, why oh why do other games not do this

[cunning raft]

HOTS is the fun MOBA

purely because they don't give a shit

[limber knot]

what is a game if it isn't fun

[cunning raft]

i mean its just faster pace

[limber knot]

faster than league, slower than awesomenauts

[cunning raft]

they also add a bunch of weird shit

blizzard just flexing its ip

[vernal moth]

hots was lacking depth when I played it

was like a beginner moba

[limber knot]

when I first played it I was really confused and blew it off

came back a couple years later with their 2.0 or whatever thing, think they had an overwatch reward for playing it

found it to be way better that time

[waxen panther]

Paragon best moba

[left swift]

[safe plover]

whats this server software ?

[twin lagoon]

aegis is an mcmarket proxy

waterfall fork

straight garbage, just use waterfall

[spiral robin]

[limber knot]

how long would I last if I just basically straight up sold a branded version of paper and waterfall on mcmarket

[twin lagoon]

long

i'd resell yatopia

you'd legit be able to make atleast $100 off of it

[wraith trail]

thats what half of them already are

[limber knot]

any chargeback risks?

[twin lagoon]

probably but they wouldn't notice

they'd think your fork is fire

[minor badge]

michale scammer ?

[twin lagoon]

it's not scamming

[safe plover]

lmaoooooo

[limber knot]

if it's low effort enough with low risk I might do it just to stick it to 'em and donate the proceeds to paper n such

[twin lagoon]

legit do it

just resell fucking yatopia and you're good

[ashen cliff]

Just change the server name.

[limber knot]

can I accept cryptocurrencies

[ashen cliff]

Ez.

You can accept vouches.

[safe plover]

best payment

[limber knot]

that would be maximum low risk if I can do that

alright now to think of a username

[ashen cliff]

xLazyGamer_HDYT

[wraith trail]

there was a guy in the 1.8 support discord who did support for some of the mcmarket forks

[ashen cliff]

™️ ©️ ®️ don't steal.

[wraith trail]

some of the questions you get are... interesting

[limber knot]

the nny dood rite

[wraith trail]

no

forgot his name

Jonki

or something like that

[twin lagoon]

jokni

[limber knot]

ok and now we need a fork name

[left swift]

Spoon

[worn ember]

well this is going great

[limber knot]

just Spoon or SpoonMC

[wraith trail]

you gotta add more keywords

[ashen cliff]

BTC +10%? Drop it.

[vestal jasper]

2.0-RECODE-BETA~DEV-1-FIX

What a version string.

[spiral robin]

spoonproxyMC

spoonspigot

[worn ember]

Verify time: 2-5mins
2 hours in and still waiting :))

[safe plover]

their server seems to be f'ed

no point in waiting

[worn ember]

great

that one time i actually want to do something related to money they instantly shit their pants

the world isn't ready for my genious

[mental meadow]

@vernal moth 😄

[vernal moth]

woooo

[zealous wedge]

@mental meadow

[limber knot]

how do I sign up without giving them my ip

[zealous wedge]

lol

[mental meadow]

zml uwu ❤️

[old river]

does someone has paperspigot 1.7.10?

[mossy vessel]

Yes

[old river]

can us send me it?

[mossy vessel]

No

[old river]

where can i download it?

[twin lagoon]

no

[old river]

how no

[limber knot]

cuz ded

[old river]

no download for 1.7.10?

[mossy vessel]

No

[limber knot]

that's like

[twin lagoon]

pretty sure 1.7.10 was the build before the DMCA shit

[limber knot]

asking for Windows 98

does someone have windows 98

can us send me it

[mossy vessel]

No

[old river]

damn but 1.7.10 is the most used one

im pretty sure

[limber knot]

hahaha wrong

it is def not

[zealous wedge]

wat

[mossy vessel]

[limber knot]

it was most used back in like 2012 maybe

[zealous wedge]

more like 2014 but sure

[old river]

it is still most used for pvp

[limber knot]

2014, sorry

[zealous wedge]

I though the PvP weirdos liked 1.8.8 lol

[meager tusk]

1.7.10 is not the most used one

"pvp weirdos" ok

[limber knot]

it's not even pvp

it's just click simulator

[old river]

1.7.10 is the best pvp version

[meager tusk]

i mean 1.16 is hold right click with shield simulator so

[zealous wedge]

go use forge or sth

[old river]

pvp isnt only clicking lol

[twin lagoon]

it might be the most used for pvp versions or whatever

it is not the most used version in general

it's unmaintained, fucking older than my grandma at this point

[old river]

its still very important

[limber knot]

https://bstats.org/global/bukkit#minecraftVersion

[twin lagoon]

it's not really important

lol

[meager tusk]

luriz

[old river]

yea

[zealous wedge]

if it's so important, go maintain it

[limber knot]

it was imoprtant back in 2014

[meager tusk]

nobody uses 1.8. and if they do they're fighting for like the same 3000 players

[vernal moth]

@robo https://bstats.org/plugin/server-implementation/Paper/580#minecraft_version

[twin lagoon]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper-1.7

compile froms ource

[limber knot]

1.7 doesn't even exist in the pie chart lol

[old river]

ik @meager tusk

[zealous wedge]

probably from before paper had bstats tbh

[limber knot]

of course I know the actual reason why it doesn't lol but still

sshhh

[twin lagoon]

i can't name a single pvp server with native 1.7.10 server tbh

[zealous wedge]

paper barely existed back then lol

[old river]

uhchub for example

is i think a native 1.7.10 pvp server

the most players on it are playing 1.7.10

i never seen a good 1.8 pvp player

[limber knot]

wow

what about my beta 1.2 server

the most players on it are playing beta 1.2

[old river]

...

[limber knot]

btw

that is the best version of minecraft

you can have ladders on every other block

talk about efficiency

[topaz mortar]

Hey0's mod ftw.

[mossy vessel]

Isnt pvp just rightclicking lmao

[limber knot]

you could hold down mouse button to pvp!

imagine

and no need for a plugin for soup pvp

just insta consume food to health!

beta 1.2 is the best version

[mossy vessel]

🤯

[limber knot]

and it's immune to all creative gamemode hacks!

most secure version ever

what's not to like

[visual egret]

etherium 2.0 looks... good

[ashen cliff]

Does it tho?

[twin lagoon]

oskar explain what about it looks good

[left swift]

It starts with E

[spiral robin]

[topaz mortar]

Beta 1.1_02 is one of my favorites. First minor version after the server side inventory got added.

[visual egret]

gas fees

[ashen cliff]

1.6.4 is still the best version ever created.
I'm off till oskar does something dumb again.

https://posili.me/i/2021-02-08_18-59-48.png

[spiral robin]

zml

[zealous wedge]

alpha 1.1 was the best version, before they ruined the game with biomes and the nether

[visual egret]

https://system76.com/laptops/galago this looks like a nice laptop

[limber knot]

1.2 is the oldest server jar I can find in my backups

[zealous wedge]

hi aber :3

[spiral robin]

:3

[meager tusk]

lol the first ever version of minecraft is the best. Just cobblestone.

It's very popular please support it

[topaz mortar]

CraftBukkit? Yeah before that Hey0s mod was the only thing. If I remember right.

[limber knot]

nah vanilla

I was a nub back den

I then went into server wrappers

and then finally into bukkit tho I did hear a bit about hey0 back then

[zealous wedge]

first servers I really played on were hMod

[topaz mortar]

same for me zml

[limber knot]

played with friends, never really went on any public servers cuz I then hosted my own

[zealous wedge]

I just went on public servers my friends were on lol

[limpid comet]

im pleased to announce my minecraft 4k server

[visual egret]

legacy console edition tutorial world was the best

[visual egret]

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-02-08_19-12-43.png

[visual egret]

what did i do

[ashen cliff]

This.

[limber knot]

"System76 is built on web technologies written in JavaScript." oof

[twin lagoon]

js

[spiral robin]

michael

[twin lagoon]

[spiral robin]

hows ur day going

[limber knot]

I guess teh first servers I played on used hmod, but 🤷‍♂️ I didn't ask