Goodnight cuties
#general
wide chasm
?ban @burnt bone Advertising
leaden oxideBOT
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potent fossil
okay bai
ashen cliff
Things I need: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-dg1-oem.b8654
Things I can't have: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-dg1-oem.b8654
visual egret
?warnings
meh
i am not worthy to check my own warnings
?warnings @visual egret
whatever
ashen cliff
?warn @visual egret No.
visual egret
that makes zero sense krusic
ashen cliff
Exactly.
cosmic raft
?modlogs @visual egret
cosmic raft
"only"
coarse lily
Haha
coarse lily
I got warned once :(
ashen cliff
I should only have 1 kick. 
cosmic raft
lmao
twin lagoon
@cosmic raft 
cosmic raft
look how fast that package has gone from germany to the US already
visual egret
snoopa
swift root
That ur chocolate kash
coarse lily
That's pretty fast.
cosmic raft
yea
swift root
Go get some
coarse lily
Larry you're still awake.
waxen panther
dont we all
swift root
Yes ocelot
coarse lily
How many servers are you gonna hop hiding from sleep?
swift root
I just got in bed
green turret
I think today I will make a small banana bread.
swift root
Do ittt
coarse lily
Oh man I love banana bread.
My mom used to make the best banana bread ever.
I miss it.
green turret
And I will add chocolate!
swift root
But maybe make a medium banana bread
waxen panther
green turret
So my issue is that my recipe calls for 3-4 bananas. I have only 2 bananas. But there is more! It also calls for butter and 2 eggs. I have 0 eggs. I can purchase eggs, but the smallest amount is 6. I will have many leftover eggs π¦
visual egret
bruh imagine people playing hackvhack on an anticheat test server
wide chasm
Make more banana bread
waxen panther
bruh imagine people playing hackvhack on an anticheat test server
no thanks !
coarse lily
More bread.
twin lagoon
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarry
swift root
miiiiiccchhhaaaeelllll
twin lagoon
brocc 
cosmic raft
gimme banana bread
twin lagoon
swift root
I too would like bread
green turret
But more banana bread requires more overripe bananas. The store sells only underripe bananas π¦
wide chasm
Calculate the lcm of all ingredients and their proportions, so you have no leftovers, just a ton of banana bread
coarse lily
I think you can do something to ripen them quickly.
swift root
You can easily make them overripe by placing them in a not too hot oven for a while
coarse lily
But it still takes like a day or two.
Oh I meant put them in a paper bag with an apple.
swift root
Sure that works
green turret
This is my general problem with making salads. The amounts never add up and I end up eating the same salad for 72 weeks because of continuously having to purchase new ingredients.
waxen panther
i just ate a very not-ripe banana and it was gross 
coarse lily
Yeah that's how they getcha.
waxen panther
might eat another one
coarse lily
Buy too much. Gotta buy more to offset the too much.
swift root
give me banana bread
I'll give you my share of garbagemule's
coarse lily
Probably too late to find banana bread open.
swift root
Go to various bakeries and get a little from each
coarse lily
But mostly I want my mom's. Nostalgia.
swift root
Do it in the morning fool
green turret
I have a very good recipe if you want one.
coarse lily
Sure, garbagemule. Always interested in try recipes.
swift root
Find the one most like your mom's and then do the capitalist customer loyalty thing
coarse lily
Hoping to get close to The Real Thing.
I've never found one quite like it, Larry.
Not sure what kinda voodoo was in there.
green turret
It is this one! Only I add some dark chocolate chunks to make it even better.
https://www.food.com/recipe/best-banana-bread-2886
cosmic raft
ew no
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@waxen panther awa
cosmic raft
no chocolate in BANANA bread
swift root
Not sure what kinda voodoo was in there.
Love
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i just selected 223M rows wbu xx
coarse lily
Yeah I'm with kashike here.
I don't love chocolate in the bread.
But can always skip that step.
green turret
Yeah it's an extra step that I added because I like it.
coarse lily
That's not passive aggressive.
swift root
Worst canadian insults right there bud
coarse lily
Oh shit.
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larreeeh
swift root
Love u proxi
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bestbud larry πΌπΌπΌ
cosmic raft
I forgot about the Canadian buddy.
?
swift root
Also ocelot I know you don't mean it that way but also it's very strange to see it regardless. Ingrained i suppose
waxen panther
<@264203519806930944> awa
good MORNING x
cosmic raft
??
coarse lily
?
Larry was saying that calling him "Buddy" was like calling someone PAL passive aggressively.
swift root
Buddy is the passive aggressive canadian way of condescension while being polite
coarse lily
But I meant it as a real buddy kinda way.
swift root
I know <3
coarse lily
I thought <4 was like better than <3
swift root
Hahaha
cosmic raft
β¬>
mossy vessel
Oh no it's snowing
cosmic raft
yay snow
green turret
If it's snowing, then it's the perfect time to make banana bread.
cosmic raft
.g csi ny season 3 episode 24
limber knotBOT
twin lagoon
same
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1003876/
mossy vessel
I'd enjoy it if I wouldn't need to go out 
cosmic raft
bla
huh, neat for people in the us:
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/l536ck/att_does_provide_sfp_modules_for_their_new_gateway/
ashen cliff
Amazing.
Let's hope the connection is module locked and not some other BS.
Tho it is SFP... and they provide a 5Gbps Ethernet slot.
merry talon
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/l536ck/att_does_provide_sfp_modules_fo...
planning to switch to telus fiber when my contract is up soon
wonder if they use the same gateway
unless its brand new
ashen cliff
Game gateway?
merry talon
oops
warm anchor
huh, neat for people in the us:
Does this mean I only need one box?
Currently I have fiber wire into side of my house
merry talon
either way you only need one box?
cosmic raft
wonder if they use the same gateway
You can either get an ONT or an SFP module
my (outdated photo) setup: https://i.imgur.com/nQe49uq.jpg
only two differences now:
merry talon
ah
cosmic raft
- that ONT died, got a new one, and since Alcatel-Lucent got bought by NOKIA, it now says NOKIA on it
- RIPE NCC probe died
merry talon
you have the ONT going right into a switch?
merry talon
oh wtf
warm anchor
I like ipv6 when it works
cosmic raft
yea @merry talon:
set interfaces ethernet eth0 dhcpv6-pd pd 0 prefix-length 56
TELUS gives 2x IPv4 addresses and 2x /56 IPv6
solid siren
hi, u guys know any plugin to see and edit full player inventory
ashen cliff
So the chip supports 10Gbps SFP+, but even looking at the FCC data I have no idea how they get that 5Gbps port.
merry talon
I dunno where to even get the info of what shaw gives me
also why is your probe so fancy
mine is a black box
merry talon
ah
cosmic raft
If you do go to TELUS @merry talon, and ever use Ubiquiti edgerouter, I will share details on getting IPv6 working :p
merry talon
they do something tricky?
untold copper
hai
ashen cliff
The old models got axed so they have new names.
So ERPoe-5.
But I would avoid them like a pledge.
If you want a point and click setup, yeah go for it, but if you want stuff to work as advertised... no.
merry talon
oh it's just not available on their store I guess
ashen cliff
Well, they are pushing that DreamMachine line pretty hard.
merry talon
yeah but I don't need an AP or an enterprise rackmount switch :/
I actually don't need anything, my network is fine for what I use it for and I have no space
but I like to imagine the ideal setup
ashen cliff
You don't need one, something like a Intel NUC would do fine.
cosmic raft
@merry talon https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-edgemax-routers/products/edgerouter-x-sfp is what I have
merry talon
oh so just not available on the canada store lol
merry talon
You don't need one, something like a Intel NUC would do fine.
if I had one of those I would want to use it for everything that isn't a router :P
ashen cliff
Can't say I would blame you.
merry talon
also that thing is surprisingly cheap
ashen cliff
Well, you get what you pay for.
Cursed stuff like this: https://medium.com/@moondev/my-adventure-adding-10gbe-networking-to-an-intel-nuc-for-esxi-via-thunderbolt-3-pcie-expansion-1d6a627ffea4
I'm also pretty happy with my setup, 10Gbps over the entire house, but well only have a 20Mbps connection to the home.
Tho there is a SFP+ port waiting on my router for something better.
cosmic raft
@ashen cliff share details! what hardware?
ashen cliff
https://posili.me/i/2021-01-27_13-13-49.png
And a Chelsio T420.
cosmic raft
what switch? access points? :p
ashen cliff
Access points still Unifi, but I have to switch them some day.
The main switch is a IBM/Lenovo RackSwitch G8124.
cosmic raft
huh. surprising to see a rackswitch
ashen cliff
There is also a Dell N1524 waiting to be put somewhere.
Well, I have a bunch of shelf, so I don't mind having switches on them.
cosmic raft
neat, dell switches are not bad
ashen cliff
I like it a whole lot. It got it for 50β¬.
Has everything I need and free firmware upgrades.
worn ember
Allo
merry talon
it depends
server gear you usually can save a lot buying used
and a switch is kinda.. if it works it works
cosmic raft
Good switches are not cheap new dark
worn ember
woven otter
rekt
woven otter
rude
worn ember
learn dota
elfin oak
Hello people!
I'm looking to modify a chunk after it has been generated. Any idea on how I should accomplish that?
The end goal is to generate the world upside down
limber knotBOT
would be easier to directly modify the generator tbh
elfin oak
would be easier to directly modify the generator tbh
Sounds great, but how? Point me in the right direction please :)
limber knotBOT
net.minecraft.world.level.lebelgen in Mojang's mappings
*levelgen
(or work backwards from the event)
elfin oak
Which event?
limber knotBOT
whatever is called on chunk generation
elfin oak
If there was something like that, that would be perfect :)
I could modify the world in that chunk when it was generated, if there was an event
Also, I don't know how to look through Mojang's mappings
limber knotBOT
you really don't want to do that after the chunk was fully generated, that would lead to a massive performance impact as well as other issues
ember elk
does anyone know of a plugin that will alert me when a specific player joins my server?
I have some people on my server that I don't 100% trust yet
and I wanna make sure I know when they're on just to make sure they dont try anything lol
warm anchor
it's called a whitelist...
ember elk
you don't understand what i mean
quasi valley
you might as well just keep join notifications on in general π
ember elk
I mean something to ALERT me, they can already join, but like is there a plugin where i could get a notification on my phone or something when they join the server
i'm not always looking at the console lol
warm anchor
what kinda server you are running that you have to do that lol
not aware of such plugin coz you know literally no one worries about that...
ember elk
it's a private survival server that has been running for like 2 years. I just dont trust the ppl 100% yet
limber knotBOT
should be pretty easy to just make a web request for a bot on your prefered chat service
limber knotBOT
I mean, he could pay someone to do it Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I didn't say they should do it themselves
but I agree: You should have measures in place so that you don't have to worry about players doing bullshit
what do you fear? that he types some rude words in chat? xD
warm anchor
pay? *gasp
warm anchor
Just give some kid staff rank and have t hem do it for free.
visual egret
on player join event you check if the players uuid matches any of the suspicious ones
then you send a discord message if it does match
should be easy
warm anchor
wow oskar you are hired!
visual egret
i know π
ember elk
it's a private survival world, more so that they would grief thats all
void void
Hello everyone! Im looking for a 1.16.4 full vannila no lag server π smp with a small amount of people π DM me π
limber knotBOT
just install LogBlock or any other rollback plugin
elfin oak
does anyone know of a plugin that will alert me when a specific player joins my ...
There's a PlayerJoin event you can listen to and then send the alert you want. Listening for player join event is actually one of the first things you learn on SpigotMC wiki :)
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/using-the-event-api/
visual egret
advertising weewoo
limber knotBOT
@|βSeβnpβiaβ| that doesn't exist
limber knotBOT
you need mods to remove lag
warm anchor
sir go to Minecraft official
limber knotBOT
e.g. paper or some fabric ones
limber knotBOT
π
warm anchor
I mean just use Minecraft realm runs
visual egret
to clear 1% of the lag
void void
sir go to Minecraft official
i got banned becuase i was posting my server more that 1time a day
void void
when it has a 1hour cooldown
visual egret
for breaking the rules
warm anchor
do you realize
that #lfg channel is for people to looking for others to play Minecraft with
not an advertisment channel for your server?
warm anchor
It is rarely enforced, yes but if a staff see it, they will boot you off
void void
have a nice day everyone
warm anchor
that's even worse
limber knotBOT
advertising to a group of server owners, admins and develoeprs
warm anchor
LOL
limber knotBOT
smh
void void
theres only the odd 3 people who says "who wanna play bed wars"
limber knotBOT
why even advertise your server? smh. just have one that has been running for almost 10 years and you don't need advertisement 
warm anchor
I'd argue msot people here dont really play Minecraft phoenix616 lol
void void
:/
void void
Is it normal for a 1.16.5 sever to load in under a second?
[08:19:54 INFO]: Done (0.890s)! For help, type "help"
visual egret
depends
i dont know why you are worrying
but
if you have 100 plugins and your server is loading in 0.8 servers
ur on a nasa pc
void void
It usually takes me like 2 minutes to fully load spawn
visual egret
still dont see why you are concerned
void void
Because it's, like, a big change? And I have a proper reasonable excuse to be concerned with random things change so dramatically? I'm just wanting to know if there was something done recently to minecraft or paper that would've resulted in this change or if I'm just going mentally insane. I swore it never loaded this fast.
mental meadow
probably the second thing
golden gust
That's been the case with paper for a while
Ofc, if you have plugins on it, those add up, especially if you have a single legacy plug-in
visual egret
bruh paper is so fast that people start thinking theres a bug
warm anchor
you are a bug Oskar 
warm anchor
Oskar moment
mental meadow
i just wanna know how people cheat on a proxy
visual egret
why would you install anticheat on a proxy
global alerts etc
green turret
Don't worry, there is no need to discuss proxy anti-cheat, because my banana bread is currently having fun in the oven!
visual egret
golden gust
if it's just using the bungee messaging channel, should work on velocity just fine
visual egret
idk
if i buy it ill test it
ok so this makes perfect sense
is it 13:00 or 14:00
i guess ill never know
warm anchor
I can join for you Oskar
visual egret
π₯©
potent fossil
gut mΓΌrning
visual egret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr98H6LVt8k has aikar seen this
dim shadow
guys should i be scared of missing out on my veteran cape or will it let me know when its ready in big bold letters?
cunning raft
you will get a notice in the launcher as well as an email
dim shadow
o ok thank god
olive marlin
Did the migration start already?
cunning raft
no clue
dim shadow
its so hard to find info on this from mojang
i clicked so many links i ended up at xbox support with a 503 error page
cunning raft
i mean they said starting this year, they didn't have a deadline
idk what you're trying to find
mossy vessel
It hasn't started yet
dim shadow
they didnt say when so im like ok any minute now... thats y i was worried about them not being verbose enough
cunning raft
they said sometime this year
dim shadow
i dont think i could take losing out on my cape...
cunning raft
:>
it's a dumb cape lol nothing special about it
there's gonna about 100 million accounts with it
ashen cliff
It hope it works better than logging in on Android.
Had to log in 3 times. First just a white screen after login, second "You can't login right now.", third time was the charm.
dim shadow
ive always wanted a cape... ALWAYS... ever since the first minecons... but they were always like in europe
i have the optifine cape but it aint the same
cunning raft
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
ashen cliff
You could just buy one for like 300β¬+.
cunning raft
is it really special if millions have it π
cunning raft
You could just buy one for like 300β¬+. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
nah they disabled all codes
dim shadow
You could just buy one for like 300β¬+. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
on my account? or another account with it alrdy on it?
ashen cliff
A code that you could redeem for your account.
warm anchor
i mean they said starting this year, they didn't have a deadline
New account made is already on Microsoft
ashen cliff
I still have a 2013 cape account somewhere.
dim shadow
& its not a dumb cape... its a VETERAN cape bruh
cunning raft
New account made is already on Microsoft
yeah not what we were talking about
warm anchor
Oh I just ran in the chat 
ashen cliff
Can't even imagine seeing 50 people with the same capes running around.
waxen panther
cant wait !
cunning raft
mom look how special i am!!!
ashen cliff
I demand DM5 ears!
dim shadow
i got one of the earlier ones, i dont think id be seeing that many of like the 3 oldest ones
warm anchor
cant wait !
Imagine Mojang allow custom cape. Put kori on the cape 
ashen cliff
So optifine?
cunning raft
lolno.mp3
waxen panther
kori π₯Ί
cunning raft
mojang ain't gonna moderate that shit
ashen cliff
They will, just after 4 years.
dim shadow
veteran capes best idea out of microsoft since windows 95
cunning raft
i mean they're meant to get children to migrate
warm anchor
I mean they started to moderate chat in Java with that blocking feature 
cunning raft
because kids will see "cape" and go ape shit
dim shadow
works on adults too LOL
cunning raft
they don't realize that fucking everyone gets one
warm anchor
Good way to get kids to do it
dim shadow
bruh i remember i got banned from this discord for speaking out 2 much about microsoft evil horns trynna ruin mc and ban MY players from MY server bla bla bla
but then i hear about capes and im 100% sold
cunning raft
oh you're one of those...
dim shadow
was*
ashen cliff
You just reminded me, I got banned of a server for having a 2013 cape.
dim shadow
how tf do u have a 2013 cape
mossy vessel
Imagine not having cosmetic mods smh my head
dim shadow
y would they ban u for a cape LOL thats capeist af
ashen cliff
Joined a random server. CAPE! CAPE! CAPE! IS IT REAL? Join Hypickle so I can see if it's real!
I joined.
They check me out, try to rejoin the server, already banned.
As I said, I bought a 2013 cape code on eBay years ago.
ashen cliff
I know exactly why.
ashen cliff
Can't flex on Slovenian server owners. If they can't have something you have, they just remove you.
ashen cliff
Our community is run on jealousy and corruption.
dim shadow
i mean id get jelly af too but i wouldnt ban th dude LOL
dim shadow
the way u talk about it reminds me of how ppl talk about how it be in brazil
corrupt staff, short lifespans
warm anchor
Itβs Argentina @dim shadow
ashen cliff
How our servers work:
golden gust
All I understand is that krusic is slav
So
Shits probably held together by the most sketchy of shit
ashen cliff
Server migrated,
Lag,
COULD BE A DDOS!
Not a ddos,
IT'S THE PROXY!
Not the proxy.
IT'S THE FIREWALL!
Not the firewall.
IT'S THE GC!
Not the GC.
IT'S THE RAM!
Not the ram.
IT'S THE CPU!
Not the CPU.
Shit like that.
golden gust
uninsulated cables running across the room
ashen cliff
In the end, they just went to CONTABO and started crying.
warm anchor
Krusix put his server hanging out of his window on the winter time so it has free cooling
ashen cliff
I'm not going to deny that.
dim shadow
thats just common sense lol id totes do that if it got cold here for any extended period of time
who need watercooling setup when the lord provides amirite
golden gust
I do my cooling bear grylls style
and worse case scenario, I can always drink it to keep myself alive
ashen cliff
I'm also not going to deny that I used Well water to cool a rig.
dim shadow
u have a well? ._.
lyric patio
yall dont cut off the insulation and run the individual twisted pairs from point to point?
ashen cliff
I do.
lyric patio
a man of culture
ashen cliff
It's not used for anything, just standing there.
lyric patio
wait w h a t
dim shadow
thats so cool LOL
dim shadow
well must be happy 2 have a new modern function
ashen cliff
My grandparents had it wired into the house, so I just replaced the long dead pump and did what I had to.
Tho my pump didn't last and died after like 1 year.
I have to redo it one day, but they don't have internet anymore. So no point in doing it.
Would have to replace the pipes again or make the pump run fast enough for the water to not freeze.
warm anchor
Damn
vernal moth
20 years intellij jroy
final osprey
vernal moth
When I joined that server i wasn't part of the team here yet ^^
cunning raft
20 years intellij jroy
ah makes sense
golden gust
and if it was up to me, I'd of ejected mini before he was part of the team here if I had my chance
smh
ashen cliff
Well, if someone ejected you, nothing would change.
vague violet
Hello does anyone know how long usually server migration lasts? Like transferring files from a host into another.
ashen cliff
Dependsβ’οΈ.
vague violet
Wait what hahaha
ashen cliff
Usually less than 30 minutes.
vague violet
I have a server with a border of 25k. And its been 24 hours since they told me thw host is working on it
golden gust
the biggest bulk is transferring files and any sql dumps you have if you're also migrating a database
how long it takes really depends on how fast you can transfer the files and such
vague violet
Oh so its on their end?
golden gust
many hosts severly cap their download speeds, etc
ftp is slow as all balls for mass transfers
vague violet
Ohh i see many thanks sirs!
golden gust
i've seen hosting providers where they cap transfers to like 2 connections to the FTP server
that's just, like :L
but, yea, it can take some time depending on many factors
vague violet
Just a day of the server being down is hard on a small server owner like me haa i guess i should account those when migrating in the future
golden gust
Like, when i was doing migrations with actual dedi's, I used to have some tricks for speeding up migrations on what users see, but, if you're at the whims of shared hosts your options are generally limited
think the longest downtime I had for like a several dozen GB server migration was like 30 minutes
π
vague violet
*Cries in 24 hours
ashen cliff
Last migration we had had 0 downtime. Around 300GB of worlds.
But I'm never doing that again.
golden gust
biggest headache was really the databases, and we had to make sure 0 progress loss, etc
ashen cliff
Same. Did 3 replications while we had weekly restarts.
golden gust
Like, I just do a transfer before I go for a dump and go to bed or whatever, then when migrating, just backup db's, rsync everything back across, pull in the databases, and, basically, deal with any config issues from the Ip changing
I do wanna look into 0 downtime database transfers, but, that's new stuff to me and I don't even wanna touch that on production stuff until I got some understanding of it
percona toolbox is β€οΈ though
ashen cliff
I prepared the proxy so it would have the new IP, rsynced everything 1 hour before and while the proxy was restarting rsynced changes.
golden gust
imagine life without rsync
ashen cliff
Can't.
Only using rsync due to multi threaded support and checksums.
Lost my mind with SFTP nuking files and flipping bits.
vernal moth
and if it was up to me, I'd of ejected mini before he was part of the team here ...
Thankfully paper is kinda democratic at it's core so your option is insignificant β€οΈ
golden gust
imma fly over there post-covid and poop on ur rug
assuming I can get a visa
Reasons for entry:
poop on frenfrenimies rug
austere ivy
Packets are great, why havenβt I done this before?
ashen cliff
Always was.
austere ivy
Iβm being forced to against my will, sorry brocc π
waxen panther
austere ivy
all my other projects are paper-only though π
golden gust
?ban @austere ivy 
mossy vessel
spoogot
twin lagoon
waxen panther
aber typing
spiral robin
@mossy vessel @austere ivy @waxen panther @twin lagoon 
austere ivy
hm maybe I shouldnβt be trusted with packets though idk π€·ββοΈ
hello @spiral robin <3
austere ivy
is that your cat as your profile picture?
left swift
Brian uses yatopia
magic mesa
I'm held hostage by my cat, she's sat on my hand and I'm scared to move
visual egret
im being held hostage by "Spigot" server in f3
magic mesa
Send help
spiral robin
hello @waxen panther 
waxen panther
Hello 
meager tusk
oskar moment
waxen panther
everyone moment in papermc is an oskar moment now tbh
spiral robin
oskar moment
spiral robin
gm @meager tusk 
waxen panther
waxen panther
spiral robin
waxen panther
im a weeb
spiral robin
you got an ISSUE with that oskar ?
spiral robin
good .
waxen panther
yes
visual egret
from the other weeb one
waxen panther
i got new art
visual egret
eww
waxen panther
different angle
spiral robin
meager tusk
spiral robin
terse marsh
can you please recommend me a plugin that will allow players to fly in Survival? everything I find is for ancient versions of MC...
potent fossil
...essentialsx?
terse marsh
does it do that? Sorry I'm not familiar with it
spiral robin
π₯£
magic mesa
hi simple π
austere ivy
Is NMS not using the standard Java naming conventions due to the decompilation process?
potent fossil
henlo
pulsar wigeon
β β β β β β β
cunning raft
yeah brian
austere ivy
gotcha, thanks.
cunning raft
no param mappings
potent fossil
Is NMS not using the standard Java naming conventions due to the decompilation p...
welcome to what happens when you obfuscate the absolute fuck out of code, nemesis-chan
cunning raft
yo
austere ivy
welcome to what happens when you obfuscate the absolute fuck out of code, nemesi...
never. never ever ever call me that~
potent fossil
hello simple
π₯Ί
spiral robin
md5
pulsar wigeon
coulda just left in the β
warm anchor
whats up with your pfp
It's cute that's whats up
potent fossil
waxen panther
door open while holding stick but only from players with Alex model event
warm anchor
I was thinking how do you turn off beacon 
spiral robin
door open while holding stick but only from players with Alex model event
yes please add this @.kashike
waxen panther
Steve model is cringe tbh .
spiral robin
PaperMC is the best minecrafter
peak ginkgo
how do you programatically decide what model a player is
merry talon
can you please recommend me a plugin that will allow players to fly in Survival?...
stuff like this is where i would genuinely recommend skript
peak ginkgo
merry talon
its like 3 lines
peak ginkgo
It's kind of poetic
merry talon
wtf
warm anchor
waxen panther
peak ginkgo
Far right skin
nimble lodge
spiral robin
worn ember
vernal moth
Got support for debugging apps in docker
gleaming finch
some people don't try lol
potent fossil
because spigot doesnt accept them
vernal moth
Most just gave up
potent fossil
so we dont bother for some we know they wont take
like async chunks
no point, it will not be taken
gleaming finch
that's not a bug fix
golden gust
many of the paper contributing to paper have contributed or tried to contribute to spigot in the past and generally are in the stance that the effort is best spent elsewhere
people contri...
void void
It's a new feature
potent fossil
that's a matter of debate 
golden gust
my brain is really not good
Well, no, not really
async chunks has been aroud in CB for years
gleaming finch
that's a matter of debate <:PES_InterestedPoggers:643089269312716811>
loool, fair enough π
golden gust
Spigot dropped it however because mojang changed the chunk system which broke the patch
void void
And it's very bad to make changes to Bukkit API becuz paper want to break apart from spigot but there's no way paper break apart from Spigot
golden gust
aikar fixed it, and then mojang messed with the chunk system again, and then it was redone, etc
waxen panther
And it's very bad to make changes to Bukkit API becuz paper want to break apart ...
?? ???
golden gust
There is dozens of reasons to break away from spigot
potent fossil
yeah idk how that means paper cant break off
waxen panther
what am i even reading
golden gust
Spigot refuses to do stuff like removing the Material API
spigot is currently refusing to support custom dimensions in vanilla
potent fossil
visual egret
can you please recommend me a plugin that will allow players to fly in Survival?...
Player#allowFlight(true)
Coders make plugins that doesn't work on Spigot and coders don't even realize it doesn't work
golden gust
both of those are all around API which should have been removed years ago
vernal moth
Long term Bukkit needs to evolve, spigot has indicated not wanting to do that
void void
Like Bukkit.getTPS
waxen panther
ah yes the leet Coders 
spiral robin
```java
Player#allowFlight(true)
```
oskar its quite obvious they are looking for a plugin, now how to do it.
visual egret
its one line
peak ginkgo
The weekly hard fork discussion
vernal moth
The majority of servers already use paper
golden gust
Why is it an issue that plugin devs use API which spigot refuses to accept?
peak ginkgo
gleaming finch
@visual egret I've heard of FlyPerms, never used it tho
potent fossil
thank you aber, i was just gonna ignore the dumfuq
golden gust
People have tried to get getTPS into spigot and bukkit for years
vernal moth
And long term stuff will be cleared up
golden gust
spigot has refused to allow a getTPS method
vernal moth
When we have hangar
warm anchor
Why do some ppl make bug fixes on paper not on Spigot?
Why do you make plugin for minority of the server not majority?
assuming latest also paper provides more api
void void
Becuz paper sometimes break other plugins
peak ginkgo
golden gust
if plugin devs want to ensure that their software works on spigot, we tell them to work on spigot, but, many people feel that contributing to spigot is far from worth it these days, hence they contribute to paper and forks
vernal moth
visual egret
no?
warm anchor
golden gust
and if devs of those plugins talk to us, we can look into resolving it
visual egret
paper works perfectly fine with other plugins @void void
gleaming finch
^ yeah lol what
visual egret
like what
void void
Plugin
visual egret
lol
cunning raft
shit plugins break on paper
vernal moth
If a plugin doesn't work on paper, that's because the plugin devs do stuff they shouldn't be doing
peak ginkgo
^
golden gust
well, stick to spigot if you wanna stick to spigot
void void
Paper removed infinite itemstack
golden gust
nobody is making you use paper
vernal moth
And as I said, stuff will be cleared up once we got hangar
peak ginkgo
Spigot still has market share
visual egret
Paper removed infinite itemstack
the issue being
void void
It's not a bug, it's a featuew
golden gust
infinite itemstack?
spiral robin
hangar
cunning raft
never heard of the infinite itemstack past 1.8
warm anchor
Is this guy trolling or heβs just so naive 
void void
0 amount itemstack
waxen panther
ah yes infinite itemstacks, truly a feature
ashen cliff
You could just make a plugin that emulates that?
peak ginkgo
visual egret
that was done by mojang
peak ginkgo
mmm j11 soon
golden gust
that's literally something mojang fixed years ago...
waxen panther
oskar breathe man, multiple words in a message 
visual egret
i cant type today
cunning raft
then don't 
peak ginkgo
today? oskar be honest
warm anchor
i cant type today
||only today?||
waxen panther
you're doing great just press the enter key less
vernal moth
Don't look at global charts dejay
peak ginkgo
||only today?||
π€
golden gust
0 sized itemstacks are no longer a thing and are treated as air by the server and the client
visual egret
shiuh
vernal moth
spiral robin
dejay
void void
Paper provides API that doesn't exist in Spigot and most plugins are intended to work on Spigot
And paper
golden gust
so?
visual egret
ok and?
peak ginkgo
How do you navigate to this? I dont use bstats at all
golden gust
Contribute that API back to spigot if you're so concerned about it
all our patches are open source
cunning raft
How do you navigate to this? I dont use bstats at all
visual egret
spigot plugins still work on paper
peak ginkgo
Love to see it
void void
Paper plugins don't
spare venture
I think paper plugins work on paper
peak ginkgo
I actually really like this view a lot more
peak ginkgo
brb making craftbukkit plugins
golden gust
basically, the politics of spigot have pushed many people away from contributing to spigot
vernal moth
Paper plugins work on apex everything else we don't really care about
We develop paper
warm anchor
Whatβs the whole point of this discussion again? 
vernal moth
If we can make spigot plugins work, that's nice and we try whenever sanely possible
void void
Features should be added in Spigot, not in paper
peak ginkgo
J11 is almost 50% you guys are cracked
waxen panther
i think a certain someone doesnt know anything about development π³
visual egret
Features should be added in Spigot, not in paper
why make spigot if you can just make bukkit better
huh
warm anchor
Alright heβs trolling at this point lol
vernal moth
J11 is almost 50% you guys are cracked
Because we kicking ppl in the ass π
peak ginkgo
"not features"
golden gust
Spigot however has pushed a lot of the people who make those changes away
visual egret
theres no point
vernal moth
Nothing stops you from taking our patches and PRing them to spigot @void void
spare venture
Spigot has less market share than paper
vernal moth
Less maintincance burden for us
peak ginkgo
md_5 does actually, @vernal moth.
vernal moth
Be my guest
golden gust
It's not papers fault that spigot has pushed its community away
void void
I'm just asking
visual egret
Spigot has less market share than paper
bstats disagrees
waxen panther
oskar moment
vernal moth
Oskar we only look at 1.16
void void
Why do ppl make bug fixes and api on Spigot
spare venture
Paper is around 62% last I saw
void void
Not on paper
vernal moth
As anything else is irrelevant
warm anchor
Time to put zzzcat on overdrive so we can finally hardfork and no need to worry about daily spigot post
visual egret
i think i can read charts
vernal moth
Why do ppl make bug fixes and api on Spigot
Because it's easier to PR to paper than to pr to spigot
void void
Like why do ppl add dupe patch on paper not on Spigot
cunning raft
spigot's maintainer is unwilling and unable in some cases to maintain some of the patches paper does, aikar for example gave md_5 async chunk loading at first but md_5 didn't want to maintain it
void void
Yeah it's feature
peak ginkgo
I'm sorry to the 1409 servers on Yatopia.
void void
It's ok
vernal moth
i think i can read charts
That's all versions, but we only care about 1.16
void void
I'm taking about api and bug fixes
warm anchor
~~Go away snoopa adult are talking ~~
golden gust
Once again: people have tried
vernal moth
@visual egret i made this handy tool https://minidigger.github.io/paperstats/#1.16
untold copper
π
golden gust
spigots politics pushed people away from contributing to spigot
it's really not that hard
spare venture
People contribute to the projects where they actually get their stuff merged and maintained. Spigot is run like a dictatorship
golden gust
We agree, API would be nicer to have in spigot
But, many of the things people want, spigot refuses
warm anchor
Be the change you want to see @void void
golden gust
getTPS, is an example you've given
visual egret
just delete spigot smh
vernal moth
Also, there is really no way to rehash old arguments
golden gust
People have wanted that in the API for years, spigot has refused to add such a thing to the API
untold copper
ok so end result paper > spigot??
golden gust
things like chat components in the chat APIs
peak ginkgo
If we wanted to just add everything to Spigot we wouldn't be here
void void
It's splitting community tho cuz they both add API
spare venture
I just finally did my graduation pictures π
vernal moth
This has been discussed way too many times and it you don't have anything new to bring to the table, quite frankly, just stay quite
golden gust
Spigot refuses to add component support to the chat events
peak ginkgo
@spare venture share with the class
golden gust
paper has all of the API which spigot has
visual egret
ok so end result paper > spigot??
nO yAToPia > all !!111!1
warm anchor
It's splitting community tho cuz they both add API
As they explained above itβs not our fault. Ask the maintainer of spigot
spare venture
Well, they were done by a professional so I donβt have them yet, gotta be edited and stuff
void void
TPS is measurable from plugin?
golden gust
Not accuratly
waxen panther
brain, pain
cunning raft
warm anchor
gleaming finch
I do like the idea of splitting from Spigot, but if Spigot's still around when that happens, plugin developers are gonna have a tough time
worn ember
thats one disgusting emote
golden gust
TPS is a bad metric anyways
cunning raft
that's the idea
vernal moth
Mspt is more important
warm anchor
I do like the idea of splitting from Spigot, but if Spigot's still around when t...
Not really coz spigot plugin already works on paper
golden gust
We got an API for checking the milliseconds spent in a tick
vernal moth
Which paper also exposes
gleaming finch
Not really coz spigot plugin already works on paper
I meant when that's no longer the case
worn ember
ur all just getting baited tbh
warm anchor
The only decision is if they want majority of market share or less
spare venture
Thatβs a good thing
peak ginkgo
Who even started this conversation
golden gust
basically, paper was never intended to be as large as it is
peak ginkgo
This is all the regulars
warm anchor
Lol
waxen panther
toshi
gleaming finch
well here we are
spiral robin
brocc is cute
untold copper
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spare venture
Anyone wanna play skribbl
golden gust
It got as large as it is because of the politics of spigot making paper look like a much easier/friendly place to deal with to contribute additions to the API which benefit everyone
void void
I think some new feature in paper is amazing
spiral robin
id say yes but im in course rn party
spare venture
Paper is amazing π₯Ί
peak ginkgo
If this place is "more friendly" I'm scared of the Spigot Discord
spare venture
Aw okay
void void
I just don't like bug fixes and api changes made in paper
waxen panther
spigot discord doesnt allow custom emotes so tbh who tf would ever use it
worn ember
sucks to be you then
golden gust
We don't change API, we add API
peak ginkgo
I type custom emotes off platform
warm anchor
If this place is "more friendly" I'm scared of the Spigot Discord
The support is better here. As long as you aint outdated. In that case we will burn them in a stick
waxen panther
I just don't like bug fixes and api changes made in paper
Would you rather people PR them to Spigot and have them never be merged?
spare venture
Itβs better than the spigot IRC used to be tbh
peak ginkgo
@warm anchor the ol
spiral robin
zzz please add door open close + horse left leg move forward events
golden gust
last time I tried to contribute a bug fix to spigot, I basically dealt with md being a condecending ass on my first PR attempt
sooo
worn ember
Would you rather people PR them to Spigot and have them never be merged?
id rather have them pr'd to spigot and have them merged
waxen panther
id rather have them pr'd to spigot and have them merged
golden gust
hence why the bugs which mojang fixed in 1.16.5, we fixed in .4
untold copper
who is this md guy
golden gust
We let spigot know about or patches, they pulled in one and left the other
vernal moth
And contributed to mojang
waxen panther
who is this md guy
how
warm anchor
spare venture
Is md aware that paper is planning on hard forking, that majority use paper, that people are sick of spigot?
gleaming finch
I haven't tried to make bug fixes in Spigot
vernal moth
Mojang took our bug report and patches and made a 1.16.5
gleaming finch
don't want to sign the cla
void void
If you don't like Spigot and decided to fork spigot, it's disgusting that Spigot commits are automatically merged to paper
worn ember
same tbh
golden gust
We handed the patches to mojang, and I even asked for them to drop a .5 to fix those crashes for vanilla as they wher spreading like wildfire
vernal moth
Is md aware that paper is planning on hard forking, that majority use paper, tha...
He doesn't care
golden gust
Good news is that we're planning to hardfork \o/
spare venture
I figured
void void
Nice then
golden gust
But, being based upon spigot is basically how we've ran for years
untold copper
uwu
vernal moth
He has been made aware frequently
At this point I think he wouldn't even be sad if spigot died
spare venture
Too bad that didnβt inspire him to change
golden gust
splitting has been a long term goal given that we disagree with upstreams decisions and lack of progression of large areas of the API which would be a massive issue going forward
warm anchor
Pls do it so we can purge all this pointless comparison
spare venture
Yeah
golden gust
e.g. API which should have been broken years ago which he refuses to do
visual egret
in reality, i think purpur is probably the best fork
vernal moth
At least what I read from convos with him
spare venture
I could see that mini. Heβs been involved for a really long time and has had to deal with so much shit. He has to be so damn jaded and sick of it
gleaming finch
yay for no cancer!!
vernal moth
Yeah i dont blame him
untold copper
hangar will be pog :3
vernal moth
It's a wonder he has been going basically alone for so long
visual egret
hangar > spigotmc
untold copper
I want to try to contribute to it as I am learning web development