no i mean video
#general
clever widget
coarse lily
AVI, MOV, and MP4 are movie container formats. They're generally the file extension. movie.mov, holidays.mp4 and so forth. NTSC is a standard for video formats. NTSC is mostly used in North America.
clever widget
like video.flv
limber knotBOT
only true audiophiles use wav
magic river
OGG is a container that can have Speex, Vorbis, or Opus in it
golden gust
lossless is generally a waste
coarse lily
flv is Flash.
spare venture
oh flv is the flavortown music video
magic river
Oh, OGG can have FLAC in it too
clever widget
FSDAFDSA
limber knotBOT
but why would u wanna do that
tropic flame
Oh, OGG can have FLAC in it too
oh, awesome
clever widget
so h265 is best
magic river
av1 is best
ashen cliff
magic river
h265 is best if you want it to play on your phone or TV
tropic flame
so h265 is best
if your device can play it, yes. Game consoles won't play it, low end phones probably won't play it either
magic river
Game consoles do h265
coarse lily
It's computers. In computers there's never a "best". There's usually a "this is good for this stuff while something else is good for other stuff"
ashen cliff
And if you can play H265, you can play VP8.
magic river
XB1 and PS4 do, anyway
spare venture
ps5 supposedly will support 8k whenever that's a thing
magic river
It's computers. In computers there's never a "best". There's usually a "this is ...
Nah, these video codecs are all competing in the same space so there is one that is just best
clever widget
bruh i use 1080K
tropic flame
XB1 and PS4 do, anyway
the ps4 won't play H265, https://www.winxdvd.com/convert-hevc-video/can-ps4-play-hevc-h265.htm
spare venture
1080K
coarse lily
Nah, these video codecs are all competing in the same space so there is one that...
There are tradeoffs, as with anything.
tropic flame
unless there's other type of H265 that is not HEVC that i don't know of
magic river
Weird, I know the PS4 supports it for blu-ray and I know (as in I've done it) the XB1 can play them from USB
spare venture
remember when 1080i was a thing
magic river
I guess Sony is just a dick
coarse lily
And while you're technically correct, AV1 was designed for the internet.
tropic flame
remember when 1080i was a thing
Gran Turismo 4 was the shit
spare venture
wha
tropic flame
1080i on the ps2
magic river
Name a scenario on a desktop where h265 is a better choice than av1
cedar spade
Thought that was Japan-only?
spare venture
no way ps2 did 1080i lol
magic river
The only reason av1 isn't always a better choice is hardware support isn't there yet
tropic flame
no way ps2 did 1080i lol
i know for a fact Gran Turismo 4 supported it
clever widget
whats i
cedar spade
Interlaced
clever widget
what
spare venture
that's wild because it could only do 480p
tropic flame
GT4 supported 480p and 1080i, basically
you could change that in the options of the game
clever widget
whats interlaced
coarse lily
The only reason av1 isn't always a better choice is hardware support isn't there...
Yeah, hardware support is still new. Also in your "on a desktop" scenario I'd say for the web, sure. But you do other things on a desktop. Like edit video files from a camera.
Where you might not be using AV1.
Or even be exporting to AV1.
magic river
PS2 was 640x320 tripled to 1920x1080
coarse lily
I'm not trying to be pedantic. Just saying it's not universally the best format for everything.
tropic flame
whats interlaced
basically there's interlaced and progressive. progressive basically displays an entire frame to the screen at once, while interlaced renders by lines at a time (not a very good explanation but eh someone please expand for me)
spare venture
interlaced is like fake pixels
magic river
It's universally the best format for everything when the competition is the other codecs we've been talking about
The only reason it isn't used in everything is it's too new
There are scenarios where other formats are more appropriate but those codecs aren't going to be h265
spare venture
interlaced is like it displays half of the pixels at any given frame
iirc
like each frame it alternates between displaying the even and odd pixels
supposed to be hard to perceeive but it is definitely an inferior pic
magic river
We're not comparing speex to vorbis here (there is no comparison, they target different things), this is like comparing mp3 and opus. Opus is always better.
clever widget
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
magic river
This was a bad example because Opus is better than Speex in its domain too
magic river
webm reigns in some of the crazy from mkv so it's probably better
magic river
mov is pretty flexible too though so it's mostly just a matter of what one is easier to parse or you like more
mov = mp4/m4v/m4a/m4p
So the PS2 could output 1080i but GT4 only had the UI at native resolution, the rest of the game was 640x320 with 3x scaling
plucky canopy
I like quicktime mov
clever widget
m4r is the best audio
magic river
Oh wait, I misunderstood that, of course, interlaced
tropic flame
cuz adobe sux
magic river
But still, only the UI was native resolution
tropic flame
cuz adobe sux
clever widget
i hate adobe
magic river
Oh wait, I misunderstood that, of course, interlaced
But still, only the UI was native resolution
clever widget
why the hell should i pay a subscription to use a product
that should be one time
i dont wanna pay every month
tropic flame
because that way they make more money lmao
what other reason would there be
CS6 was the last batch of adobe programs that was one time payment
tropic flame
i dont wanna pay every month
well... yaaarrrr /s
magic river
Paying only for upgrades does give the company some perverse incentives that make for worse software though
If you only pay for upgrades they need a lot of shiny new features to make it look worth it
But what is their incentive to fix bugs?
tropic flame
and then in the "decent" open source alternative it takes 8 steps to make a circle
clever widget
CS6 was the last batch of adobe programs that was one time payment
thats the one i use
spare venture
those are the type of products that aren't supposed to be used by poor children
clever widget
im not poor tho
magic river
That's why we keep ending up with massive programs stuffed full of features that you need a degree to figure out how to use and are so buggy eventually they collapse and get replaced by some rewrite that has the "most popular" subset of features
But eventually expands and the cycle repeats
cunning raft
"adobe suxs because they won't give me their stuff for free"
clever widget
no i think they should offer a way to pay one time instead of a subscription
i dont understand subscription other then more money
cunning raft
why would they give you a product with potential bugs in it
spare venture
How old are you, just wondering?
Everything has been moving toward a subscription model
Including my loot boxes
cunning raft
cunning raft
instead of pushing single releases they push constant updates
spare venture
$5/mo for a 25% chance at getting a key daily that has a 1% chance of fat loot
magic river
I literally just explained why
One time and upgrade payments means your best choice is to make something that looks shiny but is just a facade over sloppy or incomplete code because you just have to get them in the door
Subscriptions you have to keep people happy so they'll keep giving you more money
I'd prefer if they had a system that let you pause/stop and just keep using the version you have after a while though
clever widget
then everyone would just buy it for 1 month then stop
and only buy more when theres a meaningful updates
then everyone would just buy it for 1 month then stop
vernal moth
I like the jetbrains way. Perpetual fallback to the last release if you stop paying
magic river
That's why you couldn't buy it for 1 month
vernal moth
And a set in stone release cycle
magic river
Yeah, Jetbrains has the best version of this I think
vernal moth
Also, gets cheaper the longer you are subscribed
magic river
It's a subscription model in the sense that you pay a yearly fee instead of per version but if you ever stop you can keep using the software
vernal moth
You can pay per month too, but that's obviously more expensive
magic river
Means you "buy" the software upfront though
If you pay per month how could they let you stop in the middle and keep the software?
magic river
Yeah, I don't plan on trying to game the system and it's cheaper to pay yearly, I didn't even remember monthly was a thing
vernal moth
12 months of uninterrupted subscription payments qualify you for receiving a perpetual fallback license.
20% discount for uninterrupted subscription for 2nd year, 40% discount for uninterrupted subscription for 3rd year onwards.
magic river
Ah, so like I said, you'd have to have it for N months before you get to keep it
spiral robin
open source jetbrains lisence 
potent fossil
aber 
potent fossil
no iz my private serbur but ill send you the file bc i made it 
magic river
Do you have a discord with nitro just so you can make meme emotes?
spiral robin
im not allowed in ur serbur ๐ฅบ
potent fossil
its for SCHOOL
vernal moth
Yeah, jetbrains has the nice bonus of having an open source core, to the point that the whole base ide is FOSS
limber knotBOT
nitro
spiral robin
understandable have a nie day
cedar spade
spiral robin
hello md 
potent fossil
md and aber, perfect combo breaker
mossy vessel
aber 
spiral robin
nmf 
knotty nebula
Does anyone know a good anti ddos service (apart from tcp shield) a ping is appreciated!
mossy vessel
tcp shield
knotty nebula
I'm still getting ddosed through tcp shield
limber knotBOT
huh
twin lagoon
doubt
if you're still getting ddosed through tcpshield you've got an insecure backend
knotty nebula
what does that mean?
limber knotBOT
how do u know 4 sure u gettin ddos'd through tcpshield
twin lagoon
hire a decent systems administrator, secure your backend, change your IP
limber knotBOT
how do u know u gettin ddos'd
knotty nebula
because I have it set up and my server is going down randomly once every 30 minutes and I'm getting alerts from my host about an attack
knotty nebula
can't people just get my ip by pinging the domain?
twin lagoon
no because tcpshield prevents that
limber knotBOT
man o man
twin lagoon
and cloudflare if you host a website on the sdame server
limber knotBOT
networks 101
potent fossil
they got it before they put it on tcpshield, clearly
golden gust
Your domain points to tcpshield
twin lagoon
again, hire a decent systems administrator, secure your backend
and change your backend IP
knotty nebula
I already ordered a new ip, when I ping it it says "timed out" is it possible that they haven't enabled it yet?
knotty nebula
oh 
potent fossil
assuming this is a dedi
knotty nebula
it is a dedi, could you send in a link or something explaining how to do it?
knotty nebula
ubuntu 18.04
twin lagoon
make sure you're not exposing anything besides like ssh
websites should be firewalled off to cloudflare
gameservers firewalled off to tcpshield
knotty nebula
how can I enabled the ip they sent though?
magic river
potent fossil
@twin lagoon, basically fuck your professional advice
twin lagoon
netplan 
magic river
If you screw it up I hope your provider has a web-based recovery console
twin lagoon
simple 
potent fossil
michal
knotty nebula
I mean, I first have to set up the ip and then firewall
ashen cliff
At least move the SSH port to something else, otherwise just lock it to your own IP (if you have a static one).
twin lagoon
^
ashen cliff
Let's not forget port knocking still exists.
mental meadow
knock knock
twin lagoon
i don't do more than changing the ssh port generally
ashen cliff
Just lock it to my VPN. 
mental meadow
- disable ssh with password
golden gust
Majority of people are on dynamic ips
limber knotBOT
can ssh be DoS'd if you disallow password and interactive?
golden gust
Suggesting such advice as to use ip lockouts is just blind and dangerous
twin lagoon
could just ratelimit ssh
limber knotBOT
well ya I just wanna know if it's worth my time 2 setup ip lockout stuff
magic river
fail2ban has screwed me over too many times
mental meadow
honestly you can enable root via ssh, leave it on port 22 and just disable password login and no one would get in if your key is at least 4k bits long
limber knotBOT
what would ratelimit provide
twin lagoon
i wouldn't bother w/ fail2ban
ashen cliff
Till someone creates an exploit.
limber knotBOT
wouldn't that be a self-inflicted DoS
magic river
I have a bunch of keys and if I forget to modify my ssh config to tell it which one to use ssh defaults to trying all of them until one works and that's a bunch of login failures that cause you to be banned from your own server
knotty nebula
+ disable ssh with password
I don't really undertsand, if I disable ssh with password how will I connect to my console 
wraith trail
via ssh key
mental meadow
public/private key authentication
potent fossil
mental meadow
the whole internet is based on that system
void void
you wish
mental meadow
the important parts
limber knotBOT
s/is/should be (:pensive:)
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ok.
void void
i'm pretty sure some govt stuff still use telnet somewhere
limber knotBOT
nice
void void
:^)
golden gust
Gud job
magic river
CAs are also PKI, just with you trusting someone else to keep track of who is trusted for what for you
mental meadow
I meant more like DNS and other stuff like that^^
magic river
So that covers HTTPS
mental meadow
i'm pretty sure some govt stuff still use telnet somewhere
having worked for a state university, yes, yes they do.
worn ember
Amar, what did you study?
magic river
I finished 3 semesters of Computer Programming at a tech school
Well, more like 2.5, I failed a few classes
worn ember
hardware and networking seems to be your interests tho 
magic river
Everything is my interests, I love reading and I have ADHD
worn ember
Ah, fair enough :p
magic river
I love to know how things work too, when I was 5 I was taking apart my RC cars to try to figure them out ๐
worn ember
lmao i remember doing that stuff
i used to take apart radio's and rc stuff
i made my own bluetooth speaker when i was 12 from old radio parts
magic river
I had a practical demonstration of the difference between AC and DC and different voltages
I tried to wire one of those cars to a cut off extension cable
ashen cliff
Good times. At least I got scares to remember when AC went wrong.
woven otter
mods help chew keeps bullying me 
twin lagoon
chew 
worn ember
lmao
limber knotBOT
What is other chew doing this time
spiral robin
Michael 
mighty storm
Little do they know I am also a mod
mental meadow
well technically
limber knotBOT
hello Michael
woven otter
admins help chew is bullying me
mighty storm
little do they know I am not an admin
woven otter
.rekt
ashen cliff
woven otter
worn ember
click it
woven otter
.rekt Ircnerd
limber knotBOT
Ircnerd, โ The Wolf of Rekt Street
worn ember
.kill irc
limber knotBOT
grabs a AK47 and riddles irc's body with bullets.
woven otter
you didn't?
woven otter
limber knotBOT
low effort meme, needs more quality pls
vernal moth
Nah it's amazing
woven otter
it's good
magic river
limber knotBOT
I don't see enuf emojis and swag
vernal moth
I just shoved it to my friend here and she lol'd, so that's at least a 7/10
woven otter
ded did a good job
magic river
xbox live price just doubled :/
magic river
Didn't they have a $60/year option before?
magic river
It's $60 for 6 months now as the longest time period you can do
limber knotBOT
yall bashed the kinect, so here we r
cosmic raft
I only know that people have this "games pass" or something now lately
coarse lily
Yeah they're pushing that a lot.
magic river
Yeah, if you already have it and keep renewing you keep the old price, for now
spare venture
Amaranth 100 miles is hilarious
Love that song
Damn why is it doubling in price?
cosmic raft
yea I mean like:
spare venture
PSN is still $40-60/yr
spiral robin
hello ocelot
spare venture
$120/yr is crazy
cosmic raft
Upgrade to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and get 3 months for $1. Includes Xbox Live Gold, over 100 high-quality games, EA Play benefits, and Perks.
3 months is $1, then $16.99/mo
16.99 * 12 = ~203.88
potent fossil
ye
spare venture
Game pass or Xbox live
coarse lily
Hello aber
cosmic raft
game pass, as it literally says
potent fossil
the magic of "seemingly small" montly payments adding up
spare venture
Ahh
vernal moth
Game pass is amazing
spare venture
I figured game pass would start rising in price
spiral robin
the magic of "seemingly small" montly payments adding up
stop, dont remind me
potent fossil
spare venture
Idk if Iโd pay for it at $200/yr tbh
cosmic raft
you pay for netflix, more than likely, at the same price basically
potent fossil
who pays for netflix
i pay for internet and electricity and then this magic thing called mediabox
spare venture
Yeah I have a free plex server
potent fossil
shameless self plug but its just 2 ez https://github.com/simpleauthority/mediabox
coarse lily
Too much stuff requires you to login to gold to use, though.
potent fossil
kekw
spare venture
Plex servers are amazing
worn ember
simple i downloaded a 78gb imax movie
potent fossil
worn ember
ion remember how that happend
spare venture
I wonder how big 8k movies are going to be
woven otter
arrr
worn ember
who said it was illegal?
worn ember
assuming smh smh
spare venture
I donโt think imax stuff is distributed publicly
worn ember
but true
potent fossil
kash you just said you'd use that given a sufficient server
spare venture
Piracy talk violates discord TOS
cosmic raft
sure, but you can legally obtain movies :)
potent fossil
||not with mediabox|| 
woven otter
what if you're a somalian pirate
cosmic raft
I meant plex
worn ember
what if you're a somalian pirate
ratatatata at the coast guard
spare venture
I donโt know if my plex server is legal tbh
potent fossil
but 
spare venture
I have no way to confirm if the movies and tv shows are pirated or not 
twin lagoon
barty let's be honest here
twin lagoon
you would not give a single shit if they're pirated or not
nor would anyone else here
worn ember
Kash: dont talk about piracy
Everyone: piracy
spare venture
Yeah, liability
potent fossil
just stop talking about it cause it violates tos
magic river
hides his thousands of ROMs
spare venture
simp youโd know a lot about the TOS
woven otter
it's hardly ๐ดโโ ๏ธ if you can find it publicly online 
magic river
New topic: I'm sad The Expanse is only getting one more season
spare venture
Duck logic
potent fossil
still havent watched that
spare venture
.g the expanse
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3230854/
spare venture
Sounds familiar
spare venture
Is it good
cosmic raft
yes
potent fossil
not yet i have a bunch of stuff lined up
magic river
But book 7 starts with a massive timeskip so I guess it makes some sense
spare venture
Okay Iโll watch it on my legal streaming service
cosmic raft
move it to the front simple
spare venture
What is it on
cosmic raft
primevideo
spare venture
Free or extra
cosmic raft
free
magic river
Like, book 6 pretty well wraps things up and book 7 would need a lot of CG or a new cast
spare venture
Ooo
potent fossil
kk after i finish star trek tos ill watch the expanse before i keep watching bsg and stargate
spare venture
Okay Iโll add that to my list
potent fossil
i mean kinda implying i have any time to watch shows atm
cosmic raft
Easily one of my top 10 series
magic river
Fun fact: The Expanse started as a tabletop RPG campaign
spare venture
Star Trek is too dated for me
potent fossil
part of the charm
magic river
That's why one of the characters in season 1 just randomly dies, he stopped coming to the sessions
spare venture
Rubs me the wrong way
coarse lily
I really dig The Expanse
spare venture
Spoilers omg
magic river
Eh, a lot of people die, it's an action drama sci-fi thing
I didn't tell you who, when, or how
worn ember
why does it feel like theres 100 episodes of mr bean when theres in fact like only 8 or so
slim nymph
the expanse is next on my list to start
cosmic raft
do it aikar
slim nymph
already planned ;P
ive had it on my plex for ages before i realized it was on prime lol
spare venture
Iโm watching the it movies right now
Very good so far idk why I havenโt watched them
quasi valley
wtf
cosmic raft
hi kneny
magic river
The Expanse is what real life space would be like if we had just one key bit of technology
spare venture
Penny wise is a creepy dude ngl
quasi valley
hello kazheek
worn ember
worn ember
gl
spare venture
Haha imagine being in school
magic river
It seems so random what videos allow you to have them in PiP mode while searching YT and what ones just cut off
wide chasm
Anything marked as for kids will not play iirc
spiral robin
magic river
I doubt the video for Evanescense - Use My Voice is marked as for kids
But it did start off as a streaming premier thing, maybe that broke it
wide chasm
I'd doubt that too, but seeing as this is YouTube, you never know
Well, if there are comments it's not for kids, so that's an easy way to tell
magic river
Live Chat Replay was disabled but it still had comments
spare venture
Damn the resident evil 8 demo runs at 4K 60 with ray tracing on, lowest dip is to 50
magic river
...on a 3090?
spare venture
On the PS5, forgot to include that
worn ember
magic river
That has to be checkerboard or upscaling then
Or the game is just really simple
Do you have a PS5 or was this a trailer?
spare venture
Itโs the demo, available for download
Havenโt tried it myself yet
Itโs native 4K
wide chasm
inb4 actual game runs awful
spare venture
Iโd imagine theyโll switch to dynamic
To maintain 60
Apparently the demo only has light combat
magic river
That would require them to be graphics wizards and for the RDNA2 raytracing to be significantly more performant than what nvidia has
Or for them to just not really use raytracing much
wide chasm
I'd say so too, 4K60 without RT doesn't seem to be too difficult on a next-gen console.
magic river
RE7 was pretty technically impressive so I could believe 4K60 in a demo depending on what they have on screen
spare venture
The PS5 is more powerful than you think, too.
magic river
Most games on PS5 are not going to be 4K60
spare venture
RE7 had checkerboard 4K on PS4 pro iirc
magic river
If you're lucky they'll have an option for 2K60 or 4K30
spare venture
Yeah demons souls was 4k30 or 1080 60 I believe
magic river
More likely most games will just be 30 fps no matter the resolution
spare venture
Mightโve been dynamic 60
wide chasm
Depends on what the game does of course, but it wouldn't be the first game hitting 4K60
spare venture
Good luck!
cosmic raft
Silly shipping companies
spare venture
Best Buy for me was the worst one for bots on release
magic river
They release it in batches, you have to wait for the add to cart button to go yellow again and try to get one if not you have to wait some more
Instead of dumping all their inventory in the system at once and having bots grab most of it
spare venture
Ah
Yeah on release day they randomly dumped it and it was in stock for less than a second
Does PlayStation direct still do their queue thing? That was for me the easiest way
I camped every vendor 24/7 for a week straight to get mine haha
Oh nice the demo is only 4GB
magic river
oof sold out
spare venture
That stinks
zealous knot
bruh
magic river
I could have had one from walmart like 3 days after release
magic river
Was in my cart and I hit checkout but the site was crashing and I decided since I couldn't play the weekend it would arrive I would just wait
spare venture
Resident evil 7 was an amazing game so Iโm excited for 8
However the story feels out of place
magic river
Figured since it was that easy the first time I could try again in a couple weeks
spare venture
Rip
RE8 looks like itโs gonna be a vampires and werewolves game
Playing it now
magic river
It's like Assassin's Creed, they're just using the name and making different games now
spare venture
Yeah itโs definitely 60 fps
Has some motion blur which is tilting
When you turn too fast
Feels much higher quality than RE7
magic river
Game Pass Ultimate is only 50% more than Gold now
If you pay monthly it's slightly less than 50% more
Also Game Pass for PC is now cheaper than Gold (which you don't need on PC)
So for less than what console players pay just to get online PC players get free games
spare venture
Itโs definitely 4K 60 with ray tracing, but I havenโt gotten into combat so Iโll see
Game is stunning. Iโm so excited for this generation
magic river
free games is not the way to word that, actually, you're clearly paying for the games ๐
But it's like netflix, you don't pay for a game
spare venture
Got bit by a spooky vampire lady with bugs swarming around her, nice
spare venture
Game kinda feels like amnesia because of the spooky European castle vibe
Just finished it. Short but interesting demo with a cool vibe and amazing visuals. Will probably get it
clever widget
ihate epic games launcher
spare venture
Assuming it will be $70 on PS5 which is a huge bummer
ashen cliff
Definition of love: https://posili.me/i/2021-01-22_22-09-42.png
merry talon
worn ember
kekw
worn ember
pl0x gimmi moneys
spare venture
Did he guess the pass phrase
merry talon
I would personally reach out to each commenter that didn't ask for any and offer them some
spare venture
Oh diff guy
clever widget
does anyone here use sony vegas
twin lagoon
sony vegas zzzzzz
magic river
It's Chromium
wraith trail
Your probably looking at threads, so that's not much for electron
spare venture
I havenโt heard of Sony Vegas in a decade
magic river
One process per window, some GPU processes, one for node things, etc
spare venture
So much shit is chromium/electron haha
magic river
I have one discord window open
clever widget
my computer just freaked out
it started glitching and all my screens went black
then the 2 of my screens that were connected to my other gpu were dead
spare venture
Coordinate exploit?
clever widget
i blame sony vegas
coarse lily
What's the exploit?
magic river
iirc you can set a flag to have the client not show coordinates on F3 but that gets around it
This ignores the fact that the client obviously knows where they are and it's a simple mod to show that
spare venture
Yeah
worn ember
@warm anchor oh yah brodah
magic river
You can write a server mod that gives players a random offset and patches every packet involving coords to/from that client to apply the offset
Can't do it from a plugin, although I suspect people here will disagree with my definitions ๐
(you'd use protocolib to do it)
I guess you could say protocolib is the mod and your thing is still a plugin
clever widget
video editing
https://prnt.sc/xgv60g
coarse lily
So you're saying you could write another bukkit plugin to do that? Or no?
void void
the exploit?
magic river
Interfacing with defined API: plugin. Poking in to internals to make it work in ways the API doesn't allow: mod.
CraftBukkit is also a mod since the vanilla server has no plugin API
CraftBukkit is a mod that allows plugins to exists, protocolib is a mod that expands what plugins can do
coarse lily
Right but in the Minecraft world we use Patches (for servers), mods (for forge), and plugins (for bukkit/Paper plugins).
coarse lily
So a plugin could leverage ProtocolLib to do what you're saying?
Or there'd need to be a server patch?
magic river
A plugin using protocollib could do what I suggested to completely block the ability for a client to know where they really are, yes
protocollib isn't a plugin though
magic river
It uses the CraftBukkit plugin loader to get itself in to the server but it then bypasses the plugin API to do new things
clever widget
what the hell is going on with my computer discord is crashing and icons are turning blue on my desktop fdsafdsafdsa
why cant i video edit
potent fossil
lol
coarse lily
It uses the CraftBukkit plugin loader to get itself in to the server but it then...
Ah that explains why it's finicky.
coarse lily
https://i.imgur.com/J37rJi9.png
That's a lot of Discord.
magic river
People also call these "NMS plugins"
coarse lily
Yeah
clever widget
this computer omg
coarse lily
To me a plugin that leverage NMS heavily (or even exclusively) is still a plugin.
If it goes into the /plugins/ dir. :)
potent fossil
at the end of the day it comes down to semantics
coarse lily
True
But the semantics in this case are important.
To properly understand.
Or at least - to add clarity
potent fossil
Sure, semantics are good. But you're both right is what I mean
clever widget
can someone fix my computer
coarse lily
Oh yeah I'm not saying he's wrong
coarse lily
Just that I was trying to properly understand
clever widget
Reseat the GPU, get better cooling, buy a new GPU
which one i have 2
coarse lily
No idea. What's the exploit?
magic river
Yes, to block seeing coordinates in crash logs you'd have to modify the server to send fake coordinates
But you can't just send random coords, they all still have to be correct relative to each other
coarse lily
Ah that's the exploit? The player coords dump to the client crash logs?
magic river
It's not a bug ๐
void void
true, game mechanic i guess
magic river
Most servers want their players to see the coords
clever widget
wait why wouldnt you want people to see coordinates
magic river
hardcorepvp thing, probably
coarse lily
If it's causing your client to crash and you can just see your own coords, it's not really an "exploit"
Because it doesn't negatively impact the server
void void
@coarse lily it shows other peoples too
warm anchor
<@!177150983258767360> oh yah brodah
Too good wow. Ded gamer
coarse lily
Other people on the server or near you?
flint island
Nice idea, drop support for 1.16.4 soo fast 1.16.5 is out (not all plugins work in new version) and if you use paper the update not fix anything important.
magic river
Fun fact: the client always knows where people near it are
void void
i am right about that correct? @magic river
magic river
Even if you obfuscate the coords that doesn't stop someone from modding their client to add tracers or something to point at those players
coarse lily
But showing their bed coords, which is not near the client, is kinda interesting.
spare venture
Yeah what is the exploit here? And how is it game breaking?
Your client has to render shit and know the position of stuff
coarse lily
If you're at 0,0 and their respawn is 2k,2k and you crash the game and it spits out 2k,2k that seems like a bit of a bug.
Not a huge bug, but a bit of one.
warm anchor
~~But meh anarchy server that no one cares about ~~
magic river
It shows the bed locations of other players?
formal turret
can't fix it with a plugin though
spare venture
Yeah this is probably an anarchy server thing lol
coarse lily
It shows the bed locations of other players?
That's what he's saying
magic river
I don't believe you ๐
void void
read
spare venture
Why would the server send your client the spawn point of other players
Thatโs weird
magic river
I'm looking at the packets and not seeing anywhere it would send that information
warm anchor
I like how he managed to type an oxymoron in one sentence
spare venture
Try it on 1.16.5 latest
magic river
I agree you can use F3-C to get your own coordinates and maybe even your own spawn coordinates
But not other people
spare venture
Link
coarse lily
It sounds like misdirection. Like someone is claiming it does this, but it won't show other people's coords, and they have your coords some other way?
magic river
Well, you can probably get the coords of other people who are near you, like I said before, but not their spawn coordinates
clever widget
sony vegas just crashed while im trying to import a photo wtf
spare venture
Link to the GitHub issue
magic river
Those are just the players near you
When you teleport it takes a tick to clear old entities out
spare venture
It looks like it told him the location where the player teleported to though
Link the fucking GitHub issue
coarse lily
Chill barty, geez.
ashen cliff
A yes, the good old tracer exploit. It was epic, since AuthMe would somehow reproduce that on join and you knew exactly where everyone who logged in was.
magic river
"bro" you're a moron
spare venture
This guy
magic river
Hi, I made CraftBukkit
coarse lily
@void void Can you link the github issue?
krusic - you said was? Did it get patched?
magic river
If I wanted to grief you I would have just broke your server
coarse lily
If I wanted to grief you I would have just broke your server
he was talking to barty, who started swearing for no reason.
magic river
That log looks like it's showing two sets of coordinates and the second set is where you are
spare venture
Iโm interested in this bug and I want to see why a paper dev would respond that way
coarse lily
Let's all calm down a bit here now.
warm anchor
Donโt break my server 
@magic river
ashen cliff
krusic - you said was? Did it get patched?
I was weird. Taco 1.8 didn't have the bug, Paper 1.12.2 did have it tho. After that I stopped testing it.
coarse lily
Hm
coarse lily
I was weird. Taco 1.8 didn't have the bug, Paper 1.12.2 did have it tho. After t...
So it works as described? You kill someone and you get their coords to where they respawn in the client logs?
magic river
Oh no I see, it is the other player
spare venture
Yes
magic river
So it shows you where the other player teleports to until your client gets the packet to clear them
You did an awful job of explaining this
ashen cliff
So it works as described? You kill someone and you get their coords to where the...
As I said, I only tested it with AuthMe, since it respawns the player.
coarse lily
Protip: it helps a LOT with people helping you if you can provide links like this rather than telling us to Google it
warm anchor
Well English may not be his first language
formal turret
gotta be vague can't have barty using it to grief servers
spare venture
Lmao
spare venture
You did an _awful_ job of explaining this
Exactly why I was frustrated after asking for the GitHub link three times
magic river
It's a packet order issue
coarse lily
If it's leaking other player data. That's kind of strange behavior.
spare venture
Jesus
coarse lily
We didn't understand what you were saying exactly
clever widget
Heat Heat Heat
coarse lily
But we do now.
magic river
@void void if no one else can figure out what you're talking about the fault is yours
spare venture
This is why PVP bugs never get fixed because they all act like this
warm anchor
Lol
coarse lily
It's a packet order issue
So what do you think? Is it patchable?
magic river
Probably kind of trivial to patch but it might be expensive
Honestly this is giving me deja vu now
ashen cliff
As a workaround you could just modify the respawn packet?
coarse lily
Haha you've seen this place before? :)
spare venture
Niche issue, which is probably why kash said fix it with a plugin
magic river
I probably already fixed this or reviewed a patch for it in the past
limber knotBOT
magic river
It's probably going to be in EntityTracker.java
spare venture
Lmao this girl really wrote โLOSERโ on this kids cast
magic river
If it's telling you where everyone is that's some other bug
warm anchor
If will be nice if you just say this from the beginning
spare venture
Well, you couldโve tested it on newer versions of paper...
magic river
If it tells you where someone teleported to shortly after they move away from you that makes sense
warm anchor
Instead of wasting everyoneโs time
coarse lily
If it tells you where someone teleported to shortly after they move away from yo...
Seems like it's just the one person
magic river
F3-C will always show you the players that are close to you
coarse lily
Yeah, that makes sense.
magic river
The bug here is that the client is being sent updates for a player that isn't close to them anymore
spare venture
It looks like it tells you where someone is going to respawn at
magic river
This is an order of operations issue, probably in EntityTracker.java
coarse lily
Sigh.
ashen cliff
How to get banned 101.
spare venture
Great you screwed up Iโm going to come to your server and grief you!!!
Did anyone experience nms stuff breaking moving to 1.16.5
Or was it pretty seamless
limber knotBOT
I'm told they changed the mappings
spare venture
Ah
coarse lily
I mean to be fair there was a bit of a pile on.
ashen cliff
A way of life.
coarse lily
We were trying to understand him but barty throwing around swears put him on edge.
Sure, that person got shitty but let's be honest about our part in it.
limber knotBOT
whats occuring?
warm anchor
True but he couldโve just link the GitHub... 
fault on both I agree
coarse lily
Nothing, it's over jamie :)
warm anchor
spare venture
Donโt blame me lmfao
woven otter
let's all blame bparty
ashen cliff
๐ค When did the watchdog timer for shutdown get fully removed?
Was it after the incident or before it?
obtuse nymph
has anyone else had this problem or is it just me?
obtuse nymph
nothing that would do that
obtuse nymph
ok?
visual egret
its the only probable thing to be doing that
obtuse nymph
ok just a monute
essentialsx (all of the modules), luckperms, worldedit, worldguard are on every server
- skywars relaoded
- factionsx
- griefprotections
on indivudal servers
visual egret
could be essentials x, no idea about the rest
inland dock
bruh
visual egret
what?
obtuse nymph
i will remove essentialsx temp
visual egret
weird
obtuse nymph
yea
inland dock
Did you try paying back the players?
obtuse nymph
no!
visual egret
?
inland dock
However much it says you owe
visual egret
what
obtuse nymph
alrgith my pay pal gonna die
visual egret
paying back players?
obtuse nymph
yes
visual egret
what r you on about
inland dock
Shouldn't have accrued so much debt
obtuse nymph
ok 10k sent
visual egret
is this some host bs?
obtuse nymph
and lets see if its fixed
inland dock
Thanks for paying your debt
visual egret
what do you mean by "paying back the players" though
visual egret
visual egret
what does does paying back players mean
visual egret
why would you pay your players
obtuse nymph
youve never payed back your players?
magic river
worn ember
oskar isnt he brightest, he needs some more explaining
obtuse nymph
yea
visual egret
yeah im not
obtuse nymph
thank you for understanding
brave radish
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) xkcd: Standards (20 July 2011)
brave radish
wow nice bot
magic river
I think oskar is trolling us at this point
obtuse nymph
yea
inland dock
You have to pay back the players
obtuse nymph
I think oskar is trolling us at this point
def is
inland dock
it's in the eula
visual egret
i did read the eula
vernal bone
Exposed
visual egret
its quite short
obtuse nymph
probs a fake eula then
mossy vessel
I think we should report them to the proper audiences
worn ember
ive heard that before 
visual egret
what
vernal bone
I think we should report them to the proper audiences
Good idea!
obtuse nymph
ill show
visual egret
send link
potent fossil
it might be the issue, essentials is generally bloatware
coarse lily
oskar
visual egret
im reading the eula
visual egret
gg
obtuse nymph
They're messig with you.
wdym
magic river
im reading the eula
It's right here https://bit.ly/3sJguzf
obtuse nymph
we are being 100% legit
vernal bone
They're messig with you.
We...Aren't? ๐ฅบ
potent fossil
lol
vernal moth
Not even the OG :/
magic river
Oh god that's not even the real video
obtuse nymph
yea
vernal moth
Thelonelyisland is amazing
magic river
I just grabbed the first result
obtuse nymph
lmao
waxen panther
a meeting of the minds
obtuse nymph
but seriouslt @visual egret we arent trolling
visual egret
hm?
brave radish
mkay @obtuse nymph I think it's over
obtuse nymph
wahts over
obtuse nymph
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woven otter
good time of the day aber๐ฆ
mossy vessel
Yes I am very cute
magic river
I guess we aren't getting a THPS3 remake then https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1352703336043130880
woven otter
Quacking
brave radish
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) xkcd: Campfire (19 May 2010)
zealous wedge
thank you for your contribution, scissors
zealous wedge
i am! i have been making linux do things
zealous wedge
mostly install lol
zealous wedge
but i have an actually working gentoo install now lol
heady spear
mossy vessel
spiral robin
zealous wedge
upcoming tasks are: figure out polybar, and make dmenu not crash lol
or find a launcher i like better
how are you all doing
mossy vessel
wooo?
zealous wedge
29 minutes does not sound like enough
mossy vessel
That's the typical break I have between 4h lectures
spiral robin
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mossy vessel
Barely enough to get some snacks and a coffee
zealous wedge
the only break that's long enough is a lifetime
waxen panther
upcoming tasks: figuring out how zml is so EPIC
zealous wedge
am not
mossy vessel
Long enough to send @viral hornet cute snaps 
spiral robin
send me cute snaps 
minor badge
@zealous wedge 
mossy vessel
hmu ๐
zealous wedge
@minor badge ๐
minor badge
uwu,,,,
zealous wedge
awa
wide chasm
YouTube is asking me to verify my age by credit card or id tf
visual egret
that my friend is called a scam
brave radish
scam?
visual egret
you just got pwned
brave radish
are their adds in YT app?
wide chasm
It's legit, website, account, app behaviour all checks out
brave radish
#adorable-pets !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wide chasm
Given the amount of data Google has, you'd think they already know my age
true topaz
My hotmail tried that once - i deinstalled windows
brave radish
No it isn't. I refuse
wide chasm
Can't be bothered to share any of these though
visual egret
ah so uninstalled but dum
spiral robin
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
๐
visual egret
michelle
brave radish
internet says it is a word but I refuse to accept that
true topaz
I ment its probs easiest to just make a new account
twin lagoon
you still need ID verification though
wide chasm
Doesn't ask for verification in browser, solid
minor badge
YouTube is asking me to verify my age by credit card or id tf
they did that for me too o.O
minor badge
i just promptly left the page because i couldnt be fucked
mossy vessel
Imagine not letting google store your credit cards ;P
wide chasm
First the EU wants to protect our privacy, but now they want to protect us from videos by sending in a bunch of privacy sensitive data smh
mossy vessel
It only affects videos being marked with sensitive content no?
worn ember
reading wish descriptions on items is a joy in its own
wide chasm
Yes, only age restricted videos
stable nimbus
any of yall know what this means: java.lang.RuntimeException: Server attempted to load chunk saved with newer version of minecraft! 2586 > 2584
mossy vessel
Server downgrades are not supported
worn ember
exactly what it says
coarse lily
You're using an older version of Minecraft than the world/chunk was generated on.
mossy vessel
Oic, yeah, makes sense. Yet lot of the vids I'm watching are flagged thus I don't find them that much sensitive
stable nimbus
i switched it back to 1.16.5 and it still says that
visual egret
The more i use adventure the more i love it
worn ember
adventure is pretty neat
visual egret
poor person moment
true topaz
Im sure yt will keep asking for age verification when the account is 20 years old
worn ember
nah
olive marlin
@twin lagoon 
olive marlin
๐
worn ember
clap dem cheeks
upper flicker
Remember kids, if it doesnโt compile anywhere else, it doesnโt compile
viral hornet
Long enough to send <@!171898972330262538> cute snaps <:panda_heart2:65218992483...
๐ ๐ฅบ
worn ember
omg Z is alive ๐
visual egret
hi z
upper flicker
barely
olive marlin
Usually I either forget to push my lib to maven repo or gradle/maven resolution sucked.
woven otter
Z