general

[dim shadow]

i have a feeling the rp stands for roleplay

[zealous wedge]

why fuck you over when they could just fuck you

[dim shadow]

and now i have a feeling i may not wanna kno what the e is

[limber knot]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[heady spear]

eczema

[cedar spade]

Enderdragon

[heady spear]

I pretend to be a rash

and then you scratch me

well not you

but @zealous wedge

[dim shadow]

that sounds intriguing

[zealous wedge]

city's into being scratched 👀

[heady spear]

sometimes I like to roleplay as an inflatable camel

[zealous wedge]

I will give headpats

[heady spear]

if you touch my hair then i will hurt you

you have been warned

[zealous wedge]

touches city's hair

[waxen panther]

@cedar spade hello .

[real cape]

@zealous wedge i have a question, why do people like u on social medias put (they/them) or (she/her) the first pronoun is your gender, and the other is what gender u are attracted or?

[cedar spade]

@waxen panther hello .

[waxen panther]

hello can u press the coffee button for me i do not want to stand up thank you

[meager tusk]

singular/plural POULET

[zealous wedge]

no KFC, they're tust different forms of the same pronoun for my gender

[real cape]

ah ok

[meager tusk]

no that's not always the case

based on the nth person ig

[void void]

what feature / event could i remove from minecraft to significantly improve performance? mob tick spawning perhaps? or entity collision?

[zealous wedge]

entities

[real cape]

render distance@void void

[waxen panther]

yes remove ticking

and world gen

and chunks

[meager tusk]

Shut the server down

[spiral robin]

Brocco !

[waxen panther]

aber

[cedar spade]

I've never seen anyone do plural, not sure what the point would be when English only has gender neutral plurals anyway?

[spiral robin]

Idriz !

[meager tusk]

aber

[meager tusk]

i forgot what the thing is called in english just ignore my comment

lol

[zealous wedge]

sometimes ppl do he/him/his or sth, but I guess everyone got tired of writing all 3 variants

[cedar spade]

different cases, I don't remember linguistics

[waxen panther]

idriz = dumb

[zealous wedge]

sometimes ppl who use multiple pronouns will collapse even further, to like she/they

[meager tusk]

brocc

[spiral robin]

Idriz

[waxen panther]

[meager tusk]

wow

[heady spear]

i default to they/them until i know for sure

[meager tusk]

both of you want me dead

[heady spear]

or at least I try to

[spiral robin]

[waxen panther]

i just dont talk to anyone

[heady spear]

go study

[waxen panther]

except aber

OK

[spiral robin]

😊

[zealous wedge]

mood

[meager tusk]

isn't they/them like generally used in english when gender is ambiguous

[zealous wedge]

it's used when you don't want to associate sth with a specific gender

[tiny fox]

in java call class in pascal call what?

[meager tusk]

nah talking more about defaulting to it when you don't know somebody's gender

pretty sure english does that by itself

[zealous wedge]

that too

[meager tusk]

[heady spear]

it can be used in ambiguous cases too ye

but ppl get offended about that for some reason

[zealous wedge]

it does but a generation of English teachers whined abt it

[mental meadow]

IntelliJ is being super helpful today

[heady spear]

in Sweden we just made up a new word for it

[zealous wedge]

ah thx intellij

[heady spear]

so now we have han (he), hon (she) and hen (they) :'')

[zealous wedge]

Also new avatar Aurora? it's nice

[mental meadow]

it doesn't recognize the gradle project at all for some reason, no matter what I try

yes :3

[zealous wedge]

just say no to WorldGuard

[meager tusk]

yeah just don't compile worldguard

[mental meadow]

i want to find a bug ;-;

compiling is fine, just intellij doesn't like it

[heady spear]

worldguard is a bug

the entire plugin is

[zealous wedge]

delete WG

Problem solved

tho actually is intellij using a jdk that is too new for WG's gradle version or sth?

[spiral robin]

When will incendo fork WG

[tiny fox]

change a name with WG

[heady spear]

just use plotsquared

[void void]

...

[meager tusk]

aber

[heady spear]

:'')

[waxen panther]

...

[meager tusk]

brocc

[mental meadow]

mh might be zml

I don't have J8 installed

[heady spear]

actually p2 allows u to create multiple single-plot clusters

[spiral robin]

[waxen panther]

aber

[meager tusk]

.

[heady spear]

so you can replace WG if you just create square regions :'')

[waxen panther]

idriz

[spiral robin]

broccoooo

[meager tusk]

[tiny fox]

[mental meadow]

oh lol that actually was it

wtf

thx zml ❤️

lu

[spiral robin]

aurora

[zealous wedge]

oh cool glad it works

incendo fork called GuardWorld wen

[mental meadow]

aber 😄

[spiral robin]

Does worldguard have tab completion yet

That would be such a nice addition

[zealous wedge]

it's on intake still I think

[spiral robin]

[zealous wedge]

not even piston

[minor badge]

imagine differentiating them ? dïhte (he, she, it, they, ...; this is the singular third-person pronoun) gang

[spiral robin]

...;

[minor badge]

so if i say "Dïhte dïhtem eahtsa", noone will know who loves whom nor their genders

😎

[cedar spade]

yay I'm not the only one

[olive marlin]

Proxi just made up a language again...

[heady spear]

mandarin uses tā for he/she/it

[minor badge]

that's southern saami

[heady spear]

different characters, same pronunciation

他/她/它

[meager tusk]

in albanian we have "them" separated for males and females, "ata", "ato"

[minor badge]

wo

w

that's useless

[meager tusk]

[olive marlin]

Oh god, you made me have flashbacks to "saami".

[minor badge]

just like albanian

[meager tusk]

are you knocking my language?

[minor badge]

[meager tusk]

Ok

where are you from again

[cedar spade]

and in the UK we have "it" because people are arseholes

[minor badge]

Norway .

[twin lagoon]

proxi u suck

[minor badge]

WTF

[waxen panther]

it

[meager tusk]

Thank you Michael

You're the best ever

[minor badge]

city is the best man .

[waxen panther]

wtf

ok proxi .

[minor badge]

sorry brocc .

[zealous wedge]

what does she suck?

[minor badge]

[cedar spade]

no but fr city is the best

[meager tusk]

[minor badge]

whatever pokes through the hole i suppose

[cedar spade]

[zealous wedge]

chaotique

[spiral robin]

[waxen panther]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-bonk-bonk-amazed-smack-gif-17599906

[cedar spade]

cursedhike

[mental meadow]

bonk

[heady spear]

我自己要他们舔我

[cedar spade]

no u city

not in public

[spiral robin]

me when I see u 🥺

[zealous wedge]

help city's too smart and educated

[heady spear]

我爱你，菠萝

[waxen panther]

😳

i dont have a jp font on my arch install

[heady spear]

I haven't studied mandarin years

I should pick it up again

[cedar spade]

ur a jp font

[heady spear]

fun language

[waxen panther]

spacing, who needs it

[zealous wedge]

oof

[heady spear]

These are simplified characters

[quasi valley]

what is that glaringly white outline

[waxen panther]

my screenshot tools adds it

too lazy to remove it

[heady spear]

kanji uses traditional characters

[waxen panther]

[cedar spade]

get a better screenshot tool

[spiral robin]

What screenshot tool

[heady spear]

to a jp font wouldn't even help

[zealous wedge]

computers are terrible at knowing that languages that aren't English exist

[heady spear]

you dumb

[quasi valley]

typical bruhccolai

[cedar spade]

uSe ShArEx

[waxen panther]

ew no

i have a SCRIPT

[spiral robin]

Windows tho

[meager tusk]

sharex is great

[cedar spade]

ur a script

[zealous wedge]

use Skript instead

[heady spear]

我愛你，菠蘿 this uses traditional characters, how does that look @waxen panther ?

[spiral robin]

Wish sharex was on mac 😔

[waxen panther]

[quasi valley]

(⊙(⊙⊙)_⊙)

[meager tusk]

just install windows on your mac

[quasi valley]

oh god

that deformed

[heady spear]

so even worse

[meager tusk]

[heady spear]

lol

[zealous wedge]

too much kao

[quasi valley]

[heady spear]

我爱骑人

[quasi valley]

'̆͒̇)

looks better in the preview :( https://i.imgur.com/60jFIar.png

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

Not a statement I would see on paperMc but ok...

[heady spear]

you just saw it so I'd say you'd actually see it here

not even a very surprising statement to the frequent papermc visitor

[spiral robin]

你很臭

[warm anchor]

I mean city don’t shower often so that’s understandable

[heady spear]

who r u

[left swift]

who r u

[warm anchor]

Nothing of importance just a regular visitor here

[heady spear]

cool

well

🤷‍♂️

[warm anchor]

[twin lagoon]

fucking weebs

[left swift]

eternity getting ego'd by the plotsquared guy

[spiral robin]

[heady spear]

am I really the plotsquared guy

[twin lagoon]

yes

[left swift]

would u rather be the fawe guy

[heady spear]

I'd rather be a no-name weeb than be associated with that plugin

[twin lagoon]

city wants to be called MCC guy

[zealous wedge]

I thought you were the cloud guy

[left swift]

[twin lagoon]

but that's never going to be it

[heady spear]

cloud guy works

[spiral robin]

noxteam guy

🤡

[twin lagoon]

noxcr-

[golden gust]

He's many things

[left swift]

clean isn't one of them

[golden gust]

Just, not respectable

[left swift]

[zealous wedge]

the pillar of noxcrew culture

[warm anchor]

[spiral robin]

Oh crew

[heady spear]

I haven't showered today

so I am probably quite smelly

musky

[zealous wedge]

city go shower

[heady spear]

i wanna smell like a man

[warm anchor]

So city is moist rn

[heady spear]

so I pissed my pants

[spiral robin]

ok

[heady spear]

cat if you don't watch your fucking tone then I will ping

[left swift]

no balls

[heady spear]

To be honest eternity, not being known in this Discord would probably be a very good thing

[golden gust]

?mute @heady spear 5s down boy.

[leaden oxide]

Citymonstret#8560 was muted | 5s down boy.

[warm anchor]

Oof

[golden gust]

Wait

?unmute @heady spear

[left swift]

city muted

[leaden oxide]

Citymonstret#8560 was unmuted

[heady spear]

actually the first time I think

I've been kicked a couple of times

[olive garden]

have you been banned yet?

[heady spear]

I don't think so

some day

[golden gust]

God, I miss irc

The random chances of there being a halfop battle

[heady spear]

if I wanna get banned I'll just ping aikar with a picture of spaghetti

[cedar spade]

or vegetables

[zealous wedge]

I haven't been kicked from a discord in a long time

[heady spear]

veggies are fine in most cases, fruits aren't tho because sugar

most veggies are just fiber and water lol

[cedar spade]

ok rice

[zealous wedge]

how do ppl live without fruits

[cedar spade]

and potatoes

[heady spear]

oh z

[left swift]

coffee

[cedar spade]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[heady spear]

i can help u with that

[meager tusk]

fruits

[heady spear]

actually I'd never kick you, not even as a joke

[spiral robin]

[zealous wedge]

you're too nice 💜

[heady spear]

take it back

[cedar spade]

pls protect zml

zml is epic

[heady spear]

don't you ever call me nice again

that shit fucking stings

[zealous wedge]

protecc md

md is epic

[heady spear]

epicly bad

kekw

[cedar spade]

md doesn't merge PRs

jroy mad

[heady spear]

it's nearly 8pm and I haven't gotten out of bed

[zealous wedge]

rip to jroy

valid

[heady spear]

ig i might as well just stay until i fall asleep lol

[void void]

yo guys

[spiral robin]

no

[cedar spade]

hi

[heady spear]

I was gonna go for a long walk before buuuuuuuuuuuut

[void void]

is there anyway i could set a sphere up where it puts the player in creative mode?

[heady spear]

i ate candy and fell asleep

[left swift]

i thought u were going to start working out again city

lazy liar

[zealous wedge]

yes

[cedar spade]

yes there are ways

[spiral robin]

Worldguard ?

[heady spear]

i have a fever

[zealous wedge]

cityyyy

[left swift]

a fever you can't sweat out

[cedar spade]

does WG support regions that aren't cuboid or vertical polygonal?

[spiral robin]

Oh

[zealous wedge]

I don't know if that was ever added md

[cedar spade]

I get the feeling it doesn't

[zealous wedge]

should be pretty easy to add if you want tho

[heady spear]

i ate bad shit this weekend because of aurora's austrian candy package lol

[vernal moth]

sub 100 PR hype

[heady spear]

so my body decided to punish me by causing inflammation :'')

[cedar spade]

could always set up a thousand cuboid regions

[zealous wedge]

where's machine to fix that

[left swift]

maybe aurora poisoned u cuz ur not working on cloud

[heady spear]

we released an update yesterday wtf

[zealous wedge]

he is working on cloud tho

[heady spear]

and I spent half the night writing docs

[left swift]

[heady spear]

get the fuck off my dick bro 😠

[left swift]

hey bro im not the one that gave u fever candy

[zealous wedge]

you want people off your dick?

[heady spear]

yes

[spiral robin]

I-

[heady spear]

well most food causes inflammation tbf

so I can't eat anything that actually tastes good lol

[zealous wedge]

big oof to u

[visual egret]

Since I don’t have access to #adorable-pets have this

[cedar spade]

hmm yes I too enjoy glare but he isn't a kitten

[zealous wedge]

why is that mouse so gamer

[left swift]

did you install arch

[heady spear]

md really thought he did something there

[visual egret]

pop os

[heady spear]

so funi

[meager tusk]

[zealous wedge]

pop4959 os

[heady spear]

I'd install that

pop is cööl

[cedar spade]

ur funi

[heady spear]

a

aaa

shame pop is in moss tho

[zealous wedge]

u should be in moss

[heady spear]

yikes no thanks

IS is bad enough

[zealous wedge]

pex2 is in moss

[spiral robin]

luckperms
pex2

[cedar spade]

essx is in moss

[zealous wedge]

that doesn't sound like a positive

[cedar spade]

essx is moss

MossX

[zealous wedge]

PermissionsX

[cedar spade]

brb moving PEX 2 to the zrips server

[zealous wedge]

probably still less buggy than cmi

[heady spear]

pex2 is cool but moss is yikes

a server full of server owners ? no thanks

[left swift]

yeah servers like that are dumb

[heady spear]

I'd rather jump out of my window than join another one of those

[cedar spade]

brb putting a mattress outside city's window

[heady spear]

server owners are the worst kind of ppl

they should all be sent to some remote island

full of giant birds, snakes, spiders and 2 legged martial art bunnies

[golden gust]

Well

[cedar spade]

I'm A Server Owner... Get Me Out Of Here!

[golden gust]

We used to do that to our prisoners

And look how that wenr

[left swift]

now they're a better country than you

[cedar spade]

Me and cat taking two similar yet different British takes on that

[void void]

default worldedit config changes nothing right?

[mental meadow]

no not really

[void void]

cool

just want to set a region up not change other thigns on a mass scale

[waxen panther]

incendo/pex2

[true canyon]

The messages in the -github channels, are those just directly giving the webhook url to github or is there some sort of intermediary there?

[minor badge]

yes

${webhook_url}/github, use json mode

[true canyon]

Thanks! 😄

[void void]

how do you make the world guard stick?

i see people use a stick or axe to set points within worldedit adn worldguard

[golden gust]

//wand

Read the docs

[void void]

ahh its called a wand yeah

[vernal moth]

guys, you know have to look at this PR and everybody in here has to drop a name suggestion on that ticket

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4989

[olive marlin]

BlockBreakDropItemEvent, but I think it's taken already for player block breaks

[mental meadow]

I do like EnvironmentalBlockDropEvent

[olive marlin]

Maybe BlockBreakDropItemEvent then 😈

[vernal moth]

comment on the ticket pls so I cna keep track

[limber knot]

k, added mine

why is the event not a general block-broken-by-block-event and cancellable? ;_;

[vernal moth]

add that suggestion there then

[golden gust]

context

[limber knot]

the pull is the context

is there an event already for those kind of block breaks? (beyond BlockDestroy)

nah, we need hundreds of events for that

[topaz mortar]

Suggested mine as well.

[visual egret]

wtf

[waxen panther]

Oskar

literally who asked

[zealous wedge]

anime is fun and cool

[limber knot]

I am confused

[true canyon]

Darnit pheonix beat me to it

[limber knot]

Anyways, I second your two

might be an implementation difficulty too see the player block break vs drop events

If the name is too complex, there is no sense to add the class

so it could still need two events :/

[olive marlin]

The issue is that the information is in different places. When I talked with MM before he created PR (because we noticed need for it), he said it's not possible to have it cancelable, have dropped item etc all in one.

[limber knot]

do they know about the drop catching stuff that is used to implement other events like entity deaths?

u missed out on the airship and portal guns n stuff sulu lol

[worn crest]

seems like the gmmk fullsize 🙂

[potent fossil]

@waxen panther @twin lagoon @minor badge @true canyon @mossy vessel @zealous wedge and EVERYONE ELSE ( ) good morning uwu

[waxen panther]

GOOD MORNING

[zealous wedge]

good morning ily

[waxen panther]

[true canyon]

Hai

[limber knot]

gm

[potent fossil]

cant believe yall did that to me the other day

[zealous wedge]

hi everyone else

[minor badge]

hi everyone else

[twin lagoon]

a

[spare venture]

anime is for weebs

[visual egret]

its some tecware phantom keyboard

[mental meadow]

good morning uwu

[mossy vessel]

@potent fossil time for some coffee uwu

[potent fossil]

i just got my coffee 😌

[mossy vessel]

great start for the day :P

[hollow brook]

what is this thing called i mean plugin for this hover or what is it

[twin lagoon]

any chat plugin

e.g. deluxechat

[hollow brook]

Michael would you reccomend me some plugin? deluxechat is paid :I

[twin lagoon]

deluxechat

[olive marlin]

idk what state CarbonChat is in.

[mossy vessel]

Deluxechat is gr8 so is supporting clip :P

[fallen oracle]

It's semi ready but I wouldn't put your heart and soul into it on production yet.

[hollow brook]

Yes guys i know deluxechat verry well but is there any alternative?

free?

[cosmic raft]

[twin lagoon]

kashike

[potent fossil]

I was gonna tag you but you're blue and that's very dangerous

excuse my typos

[mental meadow]

kash 💕

uwu michael simple

[twin lagoon]

awa

[mental meadow]

BungeeChat

[visual egret]

How did aurora’s name change

[zealous wedge]

discord bad

also what did you do to that poor screenshot?

[visual egret]

What screenshot

[minor badge]

poor zml

[visual egret]

If there’s some grain or something it’s iOS compression

[mental meadow]

How do u like my new avatar :3

[dim shadow]

oskar i think ur discord is bugged it shows up same name 4 me

[zealous wedge]

proxi

[spiral robin]

[woven otter]

hmm

[worn ember]

hmmmm

[woven otter]

noone saw that

[worn ember]

[woven otter]

[warm anchor]

Duck weeb confirmed.

[woven otter]

no

[limber knot]

liar.

[woven otter]

im in like 100 servers one of them contains weebs

[waxen panther]

it's a bug with the current discord ios version oskar.

[woven otter]

im pretty sure

[worn ember]

is the weeb server paper?

[woven otter]

yes

[worn ember]

its full of weebs and furries like brocc

[woven otter]

true

[waxen panther]

i hate furries

[woven otter]

proxi, aurora are weebs too

[worn ember]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tvland-tv-land-golden-girls-goldengirls-j60CBcdeH7yFUxgb0u

[mental meadow]

Well yes of course

But when girls are weebs it's cute and kawaii and uwu

[waxen panther]

wow

ok aurora

[woven otter]

wow wtf

disgusting

[zealous wedge]

hey, people of any gender can be cute and kawaii and uwu

[mental meadow]

brocc is always cute and uwu no matter what

[waxen panther]

aw

thank you 🥺

[warm anchor]

Paper 3.0 when? When we are all weebs

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

[woven otter]

no not weebs

[void void]

would you see any performance gain from using an nvme on paper server?

[mossy vessel]

🦆

[woven otter]

hmm i should add more ducks

[minor badge]

you have gained my respect from golden girls

[fallen oracle]

With the rate PRs are being merged wonder if we'll see 700 or 800 patches by 1.17

Maybe even more

[worn ember]

yes

[vernal moth]

yeah

I like and hate that Glare

[mortal zinc]

any reason for the jump to JRE 11 for 1.17?

[worn ember]

https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-animation-despicable-me-mCdhhsCLGluNi

[mortal zinc]

unless there's a reason posted in an announcement

[vernal moth]

yes, we only support the last 2 LTS versions

[mortal zinc]

oh

[vernal moth]

with 1.17, jdk 17 will be released

[worn ember]

time to drop ancient java

[vernal moth]

so 11 and 17 all latest LTS

and 8 is unsupported

[mortal zinc]

makes sense

[vernal moth]

also, mfw I only merged PRs by @unkempt drift

[worn ember]

biased

[olive garden]

reported

[woven otter]

#CancelMini

[mortal zinc]

yeah i'm still focusing on 8 for my stuff, because tbh, i'm not sure if the market share hasn't passed JRE 8 by now

[worn ember]

we gonna force them to move past it

🙂

[vernal moth]

thats why we changing the marketshare for you

we forcing everybody

[warm anchor]

xD

[mossy vessel]

Mini only merging quality prs

(/s)

[mortal zinc]

haha, shouldn't really be an issue for me tbh, but i'm working on a tool that should help users test their servers/plugins, and I'm just thinking about this upcoming change

[vernal moth]

paper already managed to change the java 11 marketshare from 10 to 40

[mortal zinc]

hahaha nice

[vernal moth]

and we still working with hosts to get more

[woven otter]

yeah that's really nice

[vernal moth]

42.6%, just checked

https://bstats.org/plugin/server-implementation/Paper/580#java_version

and another ~4% are even more up to date than that

I am still amazed by this chart

https://bstats.org/plugin/server-implementation/Paper/580#legacy_plugins

we could drop the whole legacy material bullshit, and most servers would be totally fine, a few only need to update 1 plugin

[olive marlin]

I probably have like 7 or so legacy plugins sadly :/

4 or 5 being mine that haven't been updated since years.

[woven otter]

what counts as a legacy plugin

[olive marlin]

One that doesn't specify api-version?

[spiral robin]

[woven otter]

pff

[spiral robin]

[worn ember]

tf is this lol

[mossy vessel]

aber

[woven otter]

[cosmic raft]

jeez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXp4GnC1Z3Q&t=58s

this is nice

[golden gust]

Kinda reminds me of like a less medieval runescape soundtrack

[vernal moth]

discord, go hope, you are drunk

https://i.imgur.com/XddV5Mh.png

[fallen oracle]

Damn, long game.

I've been doodoo in ranked recently

So sad

[golden gust]

go hope

[unkempt drift]

Oh no! My open pr count is going down... 😛

[limber knot]

using shitcord desktop

:p

[golden gust]

goes to ban machine from the github

[unkempt drift]

I was so close to 1/3 of all open prs

[limber knot]

'savageCat (Will anihilate on ping)'

[woven otter]

no pring

pring is bad

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/q8wCLXt.png

[golden gust]

I've only annihilated people ping me... erm....

starts counting on fingers

[vernal moth]

am actually still in game it seems 😂

[golden gust]

eeeerrr....

[woven otter]

gj mini

mini is drunk

instead of discord

[ashen cliff]

How much of 1-5 is Via?

[vernal moth]

heh, good question

(you can drill down and see more detail btw)

[ashen cliff]

I assume most of 2/3/4 are due to Via.

[olive marlin]

Or dynmap.

[ashen cliff]

That would most likely be 1.

Well, till you don't add addons.

https://posili.me/i/2021-01-17_22-03-25.png

Is it safe to assume this person is just using custom plugins and forgot to add the API version?

[vernal moth]

85 custom plugins?

[potent fossil]

[ashen cliff]

Libs, addons, other cancer.

TrashCanCORE,
TrashCanFly
TrashCanBruh

[vernal moth]

addons to custom plugins? unlikely

[topaz mortar]

For me it's dynmap, simplyvanish which do not define api-version

[vernal moth]

I would love to to meet that person tho

[ashen cliff]

I've seen some cursed servers that had "cores" that legit did nothing.

And then 25 plugins that added 1 by 1 command.

[vernal moth]

oh well

[ashen cliff]

Most cursed part about all of that was, the core did nothing, so for every update, they had to update all the plugins.

[mossy vessel]

Define an api version just for the metrics, even if you don't need it.

[spare venture]

I named my dynamic view distance plugin “PartyCore”, then never added anything else to it lol

Renamed it to PartyViewDistance

Well, I expected to just do a lot of stuff in that plugin but then decided to split it up into a lot of plugins

[zealous wedge]

for plugins that work on everything I do an api version of 1.13

[vernal moth]

ok, merged a PR by somebody else now, am fine 😄

[zealous wedge]

since that will work everywhere

[vernal moth]

lets see how long we will stay below 100

[zealous wedge]

10 minutes :p

[twin lagoon]

get them under 50

[golden gust]

I give it to days before some asshole looks at machine floods it again

❤️

[vernal moth]

ill try to handle a few every day now

[olive marlin]

I'd do that, if not the fact that I haven't touched some of those plugins for a few years and can't be assed to try building them again lol

[vernal moth]

700 server patches, here we come, lol

[golden gust]

I'm tryna refuse to open my IDE today as my brain hurts and like, i wanna facedesk

[zealous wedge]

big oof

[vernal moth]

I stand by what I said: we need to hardfork purely to handle the amount of patches better

[limber knot]

hardfork just so you can use sane tooling and mappings imo

[zealous wedge]

I feel like some of those servers would be better served by a commandbook-style module system

[vernal moth]

yeah jamie

[topaz mortar]

Per file patches?

[zealous wedge]

don't need hard fork for that

[vernal moth]

there are so many reasons to hard fork now

[olive marlin]

What you mean?

[vernal moth]

and I think we should just go for it, but not break spigot yet

[golden gust]

not fond of per-file for many reasons

[limber knot]

you don't, but the complexity of paperweight skydives

[golden gust]

and paperweight will literally like

[spiral robin]

[waxen panther]

we love paper

[vernal moth]

per file would only be used for api impl or smth

[zealous wedge]

where rather than a bunch of individual plugins, you have one plugin that loads individual components

[golden gust]

It's scary how faster paperweight patches

[limber knot]

also: mojang mappings at runtime <3

[golden gust]

I don't get it

[vernal moth]

cat, but 1.17 will be a nightmare

how many patches did we have for 1.16? 500?

[limber knot]

our tools are just super quick cat :D

[zealous wedge]

mojmap at runtime would need commodore to remap plugins and reflection

it's doable but annoying

[golden gust]

Long term goals just to make the break

[olive marlin]

My WIP "core" plugin is modular- everything has it's own class and can easily be enabled/disabled. But not worth handling loading separate jars etc.

[waxen panther]

CoreCore

[zealous wedge]

ah

[limber knot]

hardfork zml, don't need to continue supporting spigot's shitty mappings :D

[topaz mortar]

Way faster than current setup?

[golden gust]

think the only thing they're really fighting now is mojmap > spigot mappings

[zealous wedge]

yeah, but then you'd break most plugins Jamie

[golden gust]

initial setup is ass coz it's gotta go back and forth, but, a full patch tool like 8 minutes for a first build

[limber knot]

do it at a version boundary.

its not much of a /hard/fork though if you still have a dependency on a third-parties mappings, is it?

[zealous wedge]

gradle is also just so much faster than maven it's sad

[golden gust]

Think that the plan is to maintain spigot mappings for a little while so that we can slowly caux people over

[olive marlin]

Paper needs to start deprecating Spigot stuff, while providing alternative.

So people have time to migrate gracefully.

[golden gust]

we wanna hardfork there first

It makes it easier to start justifying large deprecations when we're already in a place to actually clear that crud up

[limber knot]

what issues are there with mojang -> spigot mappings anyway?

I'm guessing its not field mappings? that feels too obvious.

[vernal moth]

demon is facing weird issues with duplicated mappings or smth iirc

on the reversed set

I wanted to look today but then I didnt

[golden gust]

it's probs gonna be fucked inheritence or something

that's my bet

[vernal moth]

maybe ill get a chance to take a look tomorrow

[golden gust]

Pretty sure even in paper you can see artifacts of a bad mapping tree

[limber knot]

it wouldn't surprise me, inheritance is a pain - and we did it wrong imo

[golden gust]

doesn't help is that the mappings are purely maintained by one man and never vetted afaik, so, if there where any fun issues like some mapping inconsistencies in spigots mappings, nobody would ever see them

is all fun

[limber knot]

we can't fill inherited members properly because we lack generic signatures, so we have to guess.

the guessing (using descriptors) is okay, because you still need to handle that - but it blurs the lines, and gives you a headache lol

[golden gust]

aren't generics such a beautiful and glorious thing

[spare venture]

I’m excited to see what a hard fork will result in

[limber knot]

params are the lacking part though -> https://github.com/CadixDev/Lorenz/blob/f5ac0ff15565947778ba93e9353c1ddd49af48d4/lorenz/src/main/java/org/cadixdev/lorenz/impl/model/AbstractClassMappingImpl.java#L249

[hollow brook]

can someone help me with deluxe chat?

[golden gust]

I really wanna learn a bit more on btecode stuff when I'm note dead

Not dead*

if I'm ever not dead

DC have their own discord for support last I knew

[limber knot]

truth is, we should have all of that unit tested.

but to create isolated unit tests for each component would be a huge pita - so it hasn't ever happened to enough of a degree to identify bugs from doing so.

[golden gust]

unit testing in these realms is always a bitch really

Like, cool, you have unit tests, but, you're testing stuff you've specifically designed to fail/pass

as soon as you get something even remotely surprising, it's back to the drawing board

part of why I kinda hate the OTT insanity that some people have about tryna get 100% LOC unit testing

[limber knot]

perhaps - but the value with something like Lorenz, as complicated as it can be at times, is huge

[golden gust]

Yea

Like, for stuff like that, having unit tests is nice because then you can actually try to catch some of the more glaring issues and then add more tests as you go to catch the more intricate ones and pray you don't break it

[limber knot]

whether thats filling inherited data, the inheriatance provider in the first place, handling field types / the lack thereof, handling copying mappings, reversing mappings, demons mergeing code

unit tests have been really useful for mercury and mercurymixin

we have a shit system in both cases for them, really. but the value of having them is huge.

the vast majority of commits to mercurymixin add tests in -> https://github.com/CadixDev/MercuryMixin/commit/7372b2d62e1f19a27bbcebb5a178099fa5733d9a#diff-cb1c71e647b1199c9d328bc814afd0d9479e33fa3c985e0b4fc4929d59167bfd

[golden gust]

I gotta stop being dead and toy with more stuff

Think once we hit mojmap too, imma have to start looking into mixins

[olive marlin]

Mixins in Paper?

[golden gust]

No

Well, yes

[olive marlin]

But only internal?

[limber knot]

mixins are cool.

what purpose would they serve in paper?

[golden gust]

Basically, it's not something I want in the official distro as I never wanna have to provide support for them or servers using them

But, there's been a few cases where having mixin support woulda been nice, e.g. I wanted to do some stuff to sanely make block breaking faster without having to mess with a fork for somebody

[limber knot]

you could always have a NO SUPPORT transforming class loader mode

[ancient bolt]

I would love to allow plugins to provide mixins tbh

[limber knot]

it would likely eliminate the need for the millionth paper fork :p

[vernal moth]

I just fear the mess that could create

Plugins shouldn't access internals

[limber knot]

that's why I said it should be a no-support, you have to enable, mode

[ancient bolt]

it's a much safer way to do nms stuff and would also allow core changes without forking the whole server

[limber knot]

maybe even have a special type of plugin for them: coreplugins

[ancient bolt]

well it would be more like a mod than a plugin at that point, and yeah a sort of "your own on your own" sort of thing. Servers would probably love it cause they could do their forks as plugin-provided mixins

[limber knot]

yep

[vernal moth]

I just wanna throw out spigots build system and redo how we do patches

[limber knot]

how would you want to do patches?

like forge, i guess?

[olive marlin]

I don't know enough about mixins so this is probably a dumb question, but would it be possible to use mixins to modify another plugin that'd be loaded by the server?

[fading trellis]

Maybe someone knows how to remove bossbar from a player without re-entering the server?

[ancient bolt]

only if we allowed it

[limber knot]

depending on how the transforming class loader is setup, they could

[ancient bolt]

so, no

[zealous wedge]

mixins are so much nicer than reflection fuckery... for people who know what they're doing

doesn't stop you from shooting your foot off

[golden gust]

I run shop, but, I kinda like the current system in a way because everything is generally contained

[zealous wedge]

but at least it gives a bit of a runtime audit trail

[olive marlin]

That'd be so useful. I have to maintain custom fork of some plugins just to add 1 or 2 checks to one of the methods.

[golden gust]

Imagine tryna pull out async chunks manually

[vernal moth]

No patches for api anymore, obviously. Then make api impl per file patches, and use the current per feature patches for bigger changes

[ancient bolt]

I would only allow mixins modifying plugins with some sort of --unsafe command line flag I think

[olive marlin]

[ancient bolt]

for a normal user I wouldn't want them to be able to install a plugin which also fucks with other plugins

[zealous wedge]

or maybe let mixin-using plugins only modify other plugins by explicitly declaring them in plugin metadata

and make the user ack that on server start or sth

[olive marlin]

But still better than having to maintain plugins just for a 2 line diff.

[ancient bolt]

but that would probably be okay if you passed --unsafe or something

[olive marlin]

Have config with list of Plugins for which the Mixins are whitelisted?

[ancient bolt]

@zealous wedge yeah it would have to

[fading trellis]

Maybe someone knows how to remove bossbar from a player without re-entering the server?

[zealous wedge]

someone knows

[limber knot]

btw demon, I'm going to try unit test the shit out of the mappings completion in Lorenz over the coming days - hopefully get generic params sorted in the process

[ancient bolt]

mixin plugins would also be disabled in the config by default of course

[zealous wedge]

ehhh i'm not a fan of things that make users demonstrate an ability to read

because it often tuns out they cannot read

[ancient bolt]

that's cool. I'm rather unclear exactly what the issue is right now, and if it has to do with merging, completion, a combination of the two, or what

[limber knot]

I think Mixins are relatively safe to add, although idk what damage they could do

[zealous wedge]

imo something like the eula system would be best

[limber knot]

I wouldn't be surprised if its generic methods fucking up because lorenz is doing some inheriatnce

[ancient bolt]

would be really great if tiny-remapper supported propagation of parameter mappings so we don't have to complete inheritance in the first place...

[limber knot]

re bossbar -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IfmiKnZi3E

I'm pretty sure most people have a script to auto-accept the EULA

(or just use the paper command line option)

[ancient bolt]

that's probably part of it, another part of it is synthetic methods and how difficult they are to deal with thanks to specialsource2

[limber knot]

that exists?

I mean I've never had difficulty with them before with Minecraft, but srg mappings are complete anyway so it doesn't exactly matter.

[olive marlin]

Spigot has command-line option

[ancient bolt]

@teal drift: what?

I don't understand

[limber knot]

its the reason I'm so hesitant to change any of this, false positives scare me more than anything else

[olive marlin]

-Dcom.mojang.eula.agree=true

[ancient bolt]

oops bad ping

[limber knot]

mappings completion demon

[ancient bolt]

I don't think they break anything

[limber knot]

well the issue would be the mappings that aren't handled by completion

(basically anything with generic params at the moment)

[ancient bolt]

I think it's mapping propagation and synthetic method handling and mappings generation all tied up together in a giant knot of ugliness

[limber knot]

yeah, it wouldn't surprise me

[vernal moth]

Which is why I vote to just give up on trying to make spigot upstram stuff work and just do our own thing, and if needed, manually merge upstream

[ancient bolt]

well this isn't really spigot upstream related as much as it is we can't publish a jar mojmapped

[vernal moth]

We can't publish spigot mapped either

[abstract root]

yo, why are there so many payout servers now?

[limber knot]

"now"?

what is that?

[ancient bolt]

but backwards compat would still be nice, if we can figure out what exactly is going on here then it would be no problem

[vernal moth]

Oh you mean remapping to spigot mappings

[ancient bolt]

yeah

[vernal moth]

Yeah hopefully I get a chance to pole around tomorrow

[limber knot]

I might make the patch I've wanted to to handle generic params completion, that way you can see if it makes things better or worse for you

[vernal moth]

Having a different perspective (aka the perspective of somebody who has no idea) can help

[ancient bolt]

let me upload the error I'm getting from tiny-remapper

[limber knot]

Alternatively run some kind of parser to change the spigot mappings in plugin jars to remap it to mojmap

[vernal moth]

Issue is reflection for that

[ancient bolt]

https://gist.github.com/DemonWav/5a6226e37fa609b73184d049bf4616f5

[limber knot]

True, that might require a bit more work and eh

[ancient bolt]

reflection isn't hard, just change any reflection callsites to a reflection util

which does the lookup dynamically

[vernal moth]

Ah right

Do we really need to remap then?

Would also create nicer stack traces

[ancient bolt]

Class.forName(someThing) -> PaperReflectionUtil.forName(someThing)

well if we can't reobfJar then we can't do runtime remapping either

for the same reason :p

[golden gust]

Well, you need backwards mappings so that you can actually do the remappings

[limber knot]

But if we do something like clazz.getMethod("a"); for example?

[ancient bolt]

PaperReflectionUtil.getMethod(clazz, "a")

[vernal moth]

Runtime is other direction again tho

[ancient bolt]

oh true

[golden gust]

Oh, yea

Shut up mini

Don't act like you're smarter

[limber knot]

lol

[ancient bolt]

damn germans and their logic

[vernal moth]

Am basically lazy

I see a problem, and demon clearly tried, so i wanna avoid it

[golden gust]

fuck it, make a machine do it

[vernal moth]

And since mojmap at runtime is end goal anyways....

Might as well just skip all transitioning

[ancient bolt]

soooo uh

with that in mind lol

[limber knot]

Why not make 1.16 the update to break all legacy plogens?

so to be super clear then - are you trying to remap from 'mojang to spigot' using .reverse() on working 'spigot to mojang'

*1.17 not 1.16

[ancient bolt]

considering how legally dubious we already are, how legally dubious is running mojmap at runtime?

[vernal moth]

The fear is that we loose marketshare then geolykt

[ancient bolt]

jamie yes

[vernal moth]

Mappings doesn't really change anything

Mappings are covered by the eula, just as the rest of the server jar

[golden gust]

We've talked with mojang about the entire thing from my recollection

at least dinner where in there at the time, iirc

he seemed to raise up no eyebrows with our concern, nor is a mapped jar really distrubuting the mappings, as well as already being in a legal grey area, etc, etc, 🤷‍♂️

[vernal moth]

And yes, i basically explained nathan our plans and he then got legal to change the licence to its current form

They just don't want ppl to rehost to mapping txt

[ancient bolt]

hmm, but if we did runtim remapping the mappings would be in the jar

[vernal moth]

And they want you to follow the eula

Could download, no?

Oh wait

I see

[ancient bolt]

now we're

yeah

[limber knot]

paper isn't a product (well I suppose you may have backroom dealings behind the scenes I'm not privy to), marketshare doesn't seem all that important to me.

[ancient bolt]

jamie marketshare == userbase

[vernal moth]

Those are different mappings tho, they are derrirative

[limber knot]

But mag stats

[golden gust]

I mean, they seemed to be concerned about the txt file itself, not the real mappings themselves

[vernal moth]

So mojang would be fine with that, no clue about spigot mappings tho

But if that's really a concern, would create the mapping file at runtime 🤷‍♂️

[ancient bolt]

# (c) 2020 Microsoft Corporation. These mappings are provided "as-is" and you bear the risk of using them. You may copy and use the mappings for development purposes, but you may not redistribute the mappings complete and unmodified. Microsoft makes no warranties, express or implied, with respect to the mappings provided here.  Use and modification of this document or the source code (in any form) of Minecraft: Java Edition is governed by the Minecraft End User License Agreement available at https://account.mojang.com/documents/minecraft_eula.

[limber knot]

I understand that demon, I'm just curious why paper is so concerned with that?

[ancient bolt]

because what are we here for if we don't have users?

[limber knot]

I understand to a degree, obviously.

[vernal moth]

If paper breaks shit, ppl go back to spigot

[ancient bolt]

we have thousands of servers running on our shit, don't want to piss everyone off lol

[golden gust]

it's a, 'lets move forward along with our users rather than destroying the entire ecosystem for nothing', pretty much

could you imagine how sad it would be as a server owner if you have to move back to spigot

[ancient bolt]

so the line I find curious is

you may not redistribute the mappings complete and unmodified
so since we're modifying them (and they are in a different format) does that mean it's okay?

[limber knot]

I get that - I wouldn't suggest you make such change in 1.16 for example

[olive marlin]

You'll mess with users, having to go back to spigot, and devs, unable to use PAper superior API.

[vernal moth]

That's how i saw everybody interpreting the licence, yes

[limber knot]

but to start fresh, for paper, in 1.17 - why not :p

[ancient bolt]

also our generated mappings are 10MB

[void void]

this is a steal

[golden gust]

But, basically, the goal is to just make the break as seamless as possible, allow people and devs tl fall onto our platform, and then slowly diverge away from bukkit and do the changes people have been crying for for years

[vernal moth]

But, if I remember, I can ask mojang tomorrow

[limber knot]

that seems very excessive demon

[vernal moth]

Can't we just generate them at runtime?

[ancient bolt]

completing inheritance makes it grow by 3x

[limber knot]

its 3MiB in the first place?

[golden gust]

generate them at runtime from where?

[ancient bolt]

yes

[limber knot]

wow

well you'd need permission to redistribute spigot mappings too mini :p

[vernal moth]

Cat, both mojang mappings and spigot mappings are publicly accessible

[ancient bolt]

spigot doesn't own shit

we don't need permission to redistribute their shitty mappings

[vernal moth]

Cna just download, run the merge code and be done with it

[limber knot]

that's the attitude you should have

[golden gust]

Yea, but now you're making the server rely on downloading stuff from a source we have 0 trust/control over

[limber knot]

I had the understand that they were proprietary (spigot mappings)

[vernal moth]

We download the vanilla jar already cat 🤷‍♂️

[limber knot]

But that is mojang

[ancient bolt]

from mojang lol

[golden gust]

idk about you but I trust mojangs capacity to distribute a file consistently for the next few years much more than I trust spigot

spigot already bans automated access to a large part of their site

[fallen oracle]

How often do the mappings change?

[limber knot]

every versio

[vernal moth]

Whenever md feels like

[limber knot]

*version

[ancient bolt]

I don't think generating mappings during server runtime is reasonable

[fallen oracle]

So is a mirror out of the question?

[golden gust]

issue is the distrubution

distribution

[vernal moth]

Ok, so let's fuck it and distribute our combined mapping set

[ancient bolt]

also what happens when a plugin loads for a different mc version

[zealous wedge]

the thing is if md tries to start suing people for that sorta thing, the genie is out of the bottle and he opens himself up to countersuits

[ancient bolt]

that's a different set of mappings

[golden gust]

We're in a no difference place throwing them in the jar vs hosting them from some site

[limber knot]

I'd be shit scared of fucking merging / completion if you did lol

[ancient bolt]

if there's plugins from 4 different MC versions that use NMS that's 40MB of mappings to download lol

[vernal moth]

Only the relocation would be different demon, else it wouldn't be working in the first place

[ancient bolt]

but text compresses a whole lot so that would probably be a lot less to download

[limber knot]

kashike designed a fairly small mapping format you could use

[golden gust]

ask egg about zstd

[limber knot]

or minecrell had smap (i think that was the name) for spongevanilla

[ancient bolt]

why not just compress the text lol

[limber knot]

thats what smap was

[ancient bolt]

text compression is really good, esp with the huge amount of duplication in mappings

[limber knot]

optimised text format + gzipped iirc

[golden gust]

gzip, cute

[limber knot]

jamie: took me a while to remember that I had that

it was basically inheritance completed or something to avoid that overhead at runtime

[ancient bolt]

gzip takes it from 12MB to 1.3MB

[limber knot]

its been on my lorenz todo list for years

I had some Gradle thingy that would precompute the inheritance stuff

I think it was inheritance completed too

oh I think it was cmap actually 'compressed map' iirc

[ancient bolt]

xz takes it down to 369k

so yeah

compresses really well

[limber knot]

What is the scope of the mojmap?

Does it also map the variables within methods?

oh thats fantastic demon

jamie: compact mapping

[golden gust]

No, inner fields are basically a lost cause in general

Or whatever you call them, local

[ancient bolt]

best we can do for local variables is build smart enough automated naming rules

[limber knot]

makes sense, outside of dev environment

We don't need to map that

[ancient bolt]

tiny-remapper might support LVT eventually (it has plans to) so naming particularly troublesome methods could help, but there's just so many local variables 99% will remain unmapped

[limber knot]

ah, of course it was!

[ancient bolt]

minecrell can you come and fix mappings generation in paperweight for me

then go back into hibernation

[limber knot]

eh, probably not

[golden gust]

b..b..but...

[ancient bolt]

😦 we're doomed

[golden gust]

but miiinecreeeelll 😦

[limber knot]

jamie: it wasn't gzipped btw because the zip does that already

so it's kind of pointless to do that again

[vernal moth]

Drunk Mini might be our last hope

[limber knot]

ah, makes sense

[golden gust]

welp, boys

[limber knot]

so cmap was usually ~ 3.1 MiB compressed to 200 KiB

its been years since I've looked at it

[golden gust]

The thought of drunk mini being one of our last hopes kinda just reminds me of the prison break scene in deadpool

[worn ember]

this do be a big brain chat

[limber knot]

and cmap is like "c a net/minecraft/util/text/TextFormatting" , "f B Ljava/lang/String; field_96304_B", "m a (I)La; func_175744_a"

fairly simple format

[ancient bolt]

That's essentially what tiny v2 is

I don't see any reason why we wouldn't use xz -9, looks like the library to decompress xz is only ~100kb

[limber knot]

DemonWav: what's the problem with the mappings generation?

DemonWav: xz is slow tho

[ancient bolt]

unclear right now, but when i go to reobf with the reverse of the mappings I get this error https://gist.github.com/DemonWav/5a6226e37fa609b73184d049bf4616f5

lots of ambiguous mappings

[limber knot]

and the sad thing about xz is that it's slow for both compr and decompr

[ancient bolt]

there could be so many different ways it goes wrong so idk. one hugely annoying issue is specialsource2's automatic (and fucking stupid) renaming of synthetic methods

which I think I've pretty much gotten figured out, but clearly the mappings I'm generating only work in 1 direction

[limber knot]

DemonWav: I have no idea how your mapping generation works tbh

[ancient bolt]

lol yeah I don't expect you to

[olive marlin]

I feel so dumb reading this chat for the last hour. 😔

[ancient bolt]

I've been working on it for a long time, it's pretty complex at this point

[limber knot]

DemonWav: yeah I think I don't even want to know, I can't sleep when I think about complex shit shortly before :D

[vernal moth]

Demons mapping merge code is so complicated

[ancient bolt]

well I completely rewrote how lorenz merges mappings specifically to support this lol

[visual egret]

I love Linux

[ancient bolt]

I think filtering out any mappings which aren't present in the jar might help, so I'll see if I can give that a shot

[limber knot]

DemonWav: so I guess I'm just gonna say "glhf" and

goes back into hibernation

[ancient bolt]

😦

[limber knot]

https://github.com/CadixDev/Lorenz/commit/0e41364dc18cb25915be219fe9c6d4fd6b667375 is roughly how I would imagine handling generic params

Might be worth trying, could improve things - or fuck them up more 🤷

[ancient bolt]

yeah that's how everything I've done works out

[limber knot]

btw minecrell Mixin remapping for mercury ended up being a lot less terrible than expected.

[ancient bolt]

flip of a coin if it crashes or burns

[teal drift]

Wtf

Rhats literally not even me

Oh

[ancient bolt]

discord didn't say it would ping you until after the fact

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[teal drift]

Someone is making accounts of people in this discord

[molten talon]

paper is amazing, i hosted a server on a 4GB Intel Atom x5-Z8350 and it works fine with 2 people (20 tps hyperstable) i have no idea if that is good but so far i got a decent minecraft server (better than aternos which was what I was using earlier)

[ancient bolt]

jamierocks has been here longer than you have

[limber knot]

Huh, what's going on?

[ancient bolt]

I pinged him earlier on accident

[limber knot]

Oh I see.

[teal drift]

Uhhhh

Wait wtf

This is interesting

For some reason it is saying he is me just with a bot tag

[olive marlin]

IRC bridge.

[ancient bolt]

any chance you could set your nick to jamierocks on irc jamie?

[worn ember]

well this is confusing

[coarse lily]

Discord Jamie: the bot tries to reconcile people in Discord and IRC if they have the same nickname. But it's kind of on the honor system.

[limber knot]

So if I weren't me but used my nick it'd look like me anyway. Like this.

Imo the bot shouldn't do that

We have more people with shared nicks than not.

And IRC usage is rare.

[worn ember]

just dont use irc then

[limber knot]

You could be jamieNumber1 :)

The problem is on discord, so I tend to not care.

[molten talon]

please don't impersonate me :)

[limber knot]

Sort it. It's showing your avatar as someone else so it's more like you look like someone else.

[molten talon]

with irc

[limber knot]

jamie: Oh, so you actually used Mercury for Mixin remapping now? though I'm still waiting that Mercury will finally be used in production for what I really made it

I'll say it again - it's a problem with the bridge, I'm not going to switch accounts for this.

I had kind of lost all hope for that already but seems it's still an ongoing effort xD

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hi jamie