Mercury is used on a huge scale by the fabric people :)
#general
limber knotBOT
worn ember
plz ban the bot for assuming pfp's
ancient bolt
lol minecrell we're almost there
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how are you doing tonight?
limber knotBOT
I'm doing well thanks, probably going to play among us later. How about yourself?
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pretty decent, working on stuff™️
void void
wait you’re talking from a webhook lol?
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yes, that's an IRC <-> Discord bridge
void void
Interesting
limber knotBOT
ashen cliff
Did anyone create a MC ScreenshotAsAService thing yet? Or at least a bot that could do that?
limber knotBOT
What sort of stuff do you work on proxi?
peak ginkgo
hi proxi :D
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i'm currently working on a totally not overengineered "localisation" lib
fallen oracle
Oooo
hollow brook
I got this problem so i have plugin for group formating, and i setted up here default group chat color But when i Installed Chat Color it starded using the ChatColor colors
What i have to do?
visual egret
Anyone know what this issue might be?
I give up on Linux, the windows installer works so I’ll just use that lol
limber knotBOT
Im sure it's no more overenginered than half the Cadix libraries haha.
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now that is true, but it's perhaps a little much for sending chat messages
limber knotBOT
I assume it's a library for Paper?
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platform-agnostic
i plan on using it in a velocity plugin, which will also later support paper
but it'll at least have first-class adventure support in a module after the core is well
limber knotBOT
Oh that's awesome, Minecraft platform agnostic - or just generic library?
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i want it fully generic, but it's created for use with minecraft in mind no matter what i end up with :p
golden gust
God, localization is fun
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hehe
golden gust
I had a weblate instance up and running for mcMMO as I wanted to you with it
*toy with it
limber knotBOT
Oh that sounds really cool then! I'm yet to find a localisation library I like
waxen panther
i'm currently working on a totally not overengineered "localisation" lib
is this part of moonshine or
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it's just going to be a Proxy which handles sending messages and resolving message keys with placeholders to then send to a receiver
yes
limber knotBOT
Though I only ever deal with localisation in a graphical context, which is just a pita.
waxen panther
pog
golden gust
localization is really just ass in general, ngl
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true that
golden gust
Nobody really seems to have a concise solution for it
and all the tooling around it, e.g. editors, are generally scary to non-devs
waxen panther
are you going to do per player locale too
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there's nothing stopping it
golden gust
per player locale is really trivial
waxen panther
i dont like it
golden gust
Like, the client already sends you it's locale
waxen panther
iz UGLY
golden gust
nou
waxen panther
lean kiln
its pretty ez with adventure
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by the time it needs to get the message key, it should have all the metadata it needs to pass to the message source, which can then decide how to handle it
fallen oracle
I'm excited for this.
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haha fair warning, it's gonna be heavy given its heavy reliance on reflection :p
zealous wedge
golden gust
think it's looking at an off branch though, think I had to move the files or something
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i'm not sure how i'm going to handle plurality yet, though
golden gust
and the UI for weblate is just kinda meh
zealous wedge
it's how i discover which languages are available
golden gust
I mean
limber knotBOT
Looks fine to me.
golden gust
pluarility is one of the many bastardizations of languages
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indeed
lean kiln
yours is less scuffed tho
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hai
lean kiln
mine relies on urlclassloader
zealous wedge
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limber knotBOT
Though to be honest, I tend to prefer tools from the past in general so maybe it's not modern enough? 😂
(tho it looks modern enough to me)
golden gust
you mean weblate?
limber knotBOT
Ye
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weblate looks fine
golden gust
Like, for me, it's k, it's not pretty, but, my big concern is over if some average user could submit translations easily, etc
maybe I have too little faith in users
limber knotBOT
I prefer a lot of old school stuff anyway, sourcehut over github, <3 mailing lists
IRC over these new fangled, and horribly proprietary chat systems (cough cough shitcord)
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idea of my lib would be to have something like this: (sorry for paste.gg, jamie)
interface IMessages {
@Message("message.key.here")
void sendMessage(
@Receiver ExampleReceiver receiver,
@Placeholder("placeholder1") ExamplePlaceholder placeholder1,
@Placeholder(flags = {"flag1"}) ExamplePlaceholder inferredFromParamName, // javac -parameters
// Placeholder resolvers can receive these and use them appropriately;
// e.g. have one flag for getting username, and another to sanitise it for bad words
@Flag(type = ExamplePlaceholder.class, name = "flag1")
@Flag(type = String.class, name = "flag1")
boolean flag
);
}
Moonshine.builder(IMessages.class)
.resolve(new ExamplePlaceholderResolver())
.resolve(new ReceiverResolver())
.build() // Cache this! Heavy boy!
.sendMessage(receiver, placeholder, placeholder, true);
just how those resolvers will work is not totally clear in my plans yet, but we'll see how it folds out. i'm not the type to have a completed thing without rewriting it 70 times anyways
potent fossil
off topic:
if you have a normal Inventory field and a standard setInventory(Inventory inventory) { this.inventory = inventory; }, if you call setInventory and pass in a PlayerInventory, I wonder what sort of information is lost if any? Armor, probably, right?
brave radish
@placid thicket how did you put a number sign in your username?
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it'll store the PlayerInventory, simple
void void
potent fossil
so can I just check instanceof and cast?
void void
this runt will pay
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it just wont give you the API for it, so if PlayerInventory returns differently than a normal Inventory for its API, it'll be different
yes
void void
i have a bounty on him
limber knotBOT
Ill reread it when I'm at a pc and the line endings are clearer - but I like the look of that
void void
10,000 diamonds
void void
corryalpha
placid thicket
@brave radish you on a computer? should just be shift + 3
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Object thing = true;
if (thing instanceof Boolean && (Boolean) thing) {
// This is fine! It's not lost, it was just a less specific type.
}
ik how to type it, it says I can't put a number sign in my username
placid thicket
i'm changing my server nickname not my actual username
potent fossil
ye, was just wondering cause I write a PlayerInventory in an Inventory, save it to db, and later potentially in a different runtime entirely, I load it out of db and try to set it on a player and shit is going wonky
so it's probably that I need to cast
ty bby
brave radish
i'm changing my server nickname not my actual username
ah that makes more sense. this is my only server except enginehub anyway lol
potent fossil
slaap!
viral hornet
ok
olive marlin
Sleep is for weak.
viral hornet
see u there
potent fossil
😊
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woven otter
weebs
spare venture
😳
potent fossil
spare venture
duck is a weeb now?
limber knotBOT
What time is it where you are proxi?
woven otter
no
potent fossil
.wa time in sweden
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 12:02:34 am CET | Monday, January 18, 2021 - https://is.gd/VFpmdo
woven otter
weak
twin lagoon
a
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🙈
woven otter
only 12 am
spare venture
Cursed
limber knotBOT
Ah, an hour ahead of GMT then cool
viral hornet
omg
potent fossil
.g want some cawfee
viral hornet
is that a kashike
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.etsy.com/market/cawfee
viral hornet
PLEAD
potent fossil
ok that didnt work
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always an hour ahead of ya ^^
limber knotBOT
Also simple, 12 isn't that late haha
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considering i get up around 6, its fairly late
woven otter
weak
potent fossil
I know, I'm partially memeing. I suffer from severe insomnia and constantly stay up into ungodly hours :D
golden gust
basically
golden gust
proxi is on grandma' times
visual egret
How would I go around administrating a single win 10 system?
potent fossil
carefully
visual egret
Anyone have any guides or something
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hopping on an admin account?
potent fossil
o.O
woven otter
by replacing it with linux
potent fossil
what guides are you looking for...?
visual egret
by replacing it with linux
If you scroll up that’s what I tried to do
placid thicket
dont worry, just stay up all night and you can get to bed before its late tomorrow 
golden gust
guys, who do i do the entire thing
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.g how to create administrator account windows 10
limber knotBOT
potent fossil
dont worry, just stay up all night and you can get to bed before its late tomorr...
I do that a lot to maintain my sleep schedule lmao, it sucks
I mean, school schedule
limber knotBOT
The earliest I tend to start work is 9, occasionally 8. But I'm not in till Saturday now 🎉
visual egret
what guides are you looking for...?
Blocking exe’s, adding network drives for all users etc
woven otter
imagine sticking to sleep schedule
potent fossil
Blocking exe’s, adding network drives for all users etc
typically need win pro for that so you can use group policy
visual egret
Yeah I just installed pro
potent fossil
if you have win pro then look up group policy tutorials ig
golden gust
go get a book on it, basically
visual egret
Ok thanks
limber knotBOT
I was pretty good over lockdown 1 with a sleep schedule actually - not intentionally, but I just got into a routine.
void void
@glossy bronze you corry alpha?
golden gust
I mean, I'm naturally a night owl
woven otter
wait you're not a cat?
golden gust
So, typical like schedules are kinda hard to maintain unless I like push myself to sleep at a "sane" time
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I generally just go to bed when I feel tired 
olive marlin
I kinda want to sleep to get up early. But I also have my final thesis due in 24 hours...
woven otter
ehh cat i feel you. sucks if you want to work a day job and feel ok lol
placid thicket
once or twice i have passed out for 10+ hours in strange places because i just ran out and shut down
golden gust
So, prof is stalling
limber knotBOT
I just sleep around my commitments tbh, which is basically just work at the moment (fuck covid lol)
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ooo
golden gust
And then basically gonna crazy smash a crate of monster and git shizzle done
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@potent fossil mfw accidentally stumbled upon the devs intro band
placid thicket
like the bathroom, passed out in the shower with the water running for 10 hours... so glad i didn't have to pay my water bills in that appartment! also glad for near infinite hot water
potent fossil
<@698668938661331045> mfw accidentally stumbled upon the devs intro band <:peepo...
wut dat
golden gust
oh god, my bff messaged me before, she managed to get covid :L
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Devs is a dope show
potent fossil
send informations
limber knotBOT
I hope she recovers quickly cat, sending best wishes.
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.g Devs show
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8134186/
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placid thicket
server now using 32 chunk render distance with no noticeable performance hits. i can see forever
visual egret
Simple should I do personal or organisation?
golden gust
Tbqh, if there was one of my friends who I knew was probably gonna get it, it would be her
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read the text oskar
limber knotBOT
oskar disable networking and don't use a microshit account :)
That's the best way.
golden gust
Like, she's muslim, and anybody who knows muslim families is just... Even early on they had issues as their mother was sick and had persistent issues with people just showing up unannounced and such
visual egret
read the text oskar
Is it worth making an organisation, that’s what I meant
golden gust
gotta admire their commitment to family and community, but, damn
limber knotBOT
I work in retail, and I'm in awe all the time that I haven't got it tbh
golden gust
at least in liverpool we seeem to be kinda doing okay
I think that there's an overly obvious level of "if we're gonna get it, we're gonna get it" going on
But, most people I've seen will put a mask on in supermarkets, etc
limber knotBOT
In fairness, where I live it's not really been bad until now.
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I moved from a place right before it had an outbreak explosion 
golden gust
See, that's the one thing that pissed me off with the travel restrictions
Because they'd be like, "in 2 days, you're not allowed to re-enter the country", pretty much
So you'd have people flooding in in metric volues from these high risk places often needlessly and carrying a virus which can take like a week to show symtoms for many
It's like, gg
potent fossil
Is it worth making an organisation, that’s what I meant
organization is usually for multiple computers connected to an activedirectory server
since you're doing literally a single win 10 pc
probably not
lucid pond
using elytra to load chunks on a server with 1 GB ram and i dont even run into the chunk border and keep a steady 20 TPS. We had 7 players on earlier and experienced no lag.
Anyone who says you need 2GB for a small minecraft server is a liar
limber knotBOT
I still stand by - don't use a microshit account :)
coarse lily
using elytra to load chunks on a server with 1 GB ram and i dont even run into t...
What version is this? And what CPU?
And what plugins (if any) are you running?
worn ember
looks like PE if anything lol
lucid pond
looks like PE if anything lol
Nope, Java.
coarse lily
Which Paper version?
coarse lily
Okay which server and what Minecraft version?
lucid pond
Okay which server and what Minecraft version?
Fabric, 1.16.4
coarse lily
Well I don't know shit about Fabric.
And I'd wager most people here don't mess with Fabric either.
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good night ocelot :-)
coarse lily
G'night proxi :)
spiral robin
Proxi 🥺 
lucid pond
And I'd wager most people here don't mess with Fabric either.
its pretty good. no compromises to vanilla game play to cut lag
most of lag cutting depends on chunk rendering
coarse lily
When people here say you want more than 2GB they're A) talking about Paper and B) talking about people running Towny/SlimeFun monstrosities.
lucid pond
Paper is good for larger servers because it works on other optimizations more so
lucid pond
When people here say you want more than 2GB they're A) talking about Paper and B...
I know, i wasnt referring to paper users specifically though
just wanted to show its possible in 2021
coarse lily
You message kinda implied Paper, given where we were.
You can run a bone stock vanilla paper server on 2GB of RAM and 2 decent cores.
If you have no plugins.
golden gust
our 2G recommendation is primarily on the concept of "it's better to have more than not enough"
sure, you can easily run on 1G, just, you're gonna have a better experience on 2G
coarse lily
And also "you have 300 plugins so maybe you need some more RAM"
golden gust
many people once they start adding plugins often have issues because of how tight 1G really is for modern MC, especially when we've got more stuff using threads, etc
coarse lily
A lot of lobby worlds run on 1-2GB and have a bunch of players in them sometimes.
I was running a 1.16.4 Paper server with no plugins at all on a single core VM with 3GB and it ran fine with 4 players on.
wraith trail
that is with 2 players and until you have it generate chunks
coarse lily
What makes his monstrous? Troll plugins?
wraith trail
theres just a lot of stuff
lucid pond
You can run a bone stock vanilla paper server on 2GB of RAM and 2 decent cores.
i have 800 MB
lucid pond
our 2G recommendation is primarily on the concept of "it's better to have more ...
oh no i understand that, no shade to paper devs or their recommendations.
wraith trail
i have 800 MB
cool. good to know
coarse lily
i have 800 MB
Okay but you're running Fabric. I have no idea what Fabric's RAM usage is.
ornate star
hey, due to 1.16.5 update, could I ask if there is a high risk with incompatible plugins from 1.16.4?
coarse lily
Low risk.
worn ember
no risk
wraith trail
pretty much zero unless the plugins are doing dumb things
lucid pond
hey, due to 1.16.5 update, could I ask if there is a high risk with incompatible...
afaik its a small hotfix
ornate star
okay, thank you so much
limber knotBOT
i believe mapping changes were made, so impl-dependent plugins might break
lucid pond
you can connect with 1.16.4 to 1.16.5 servers and vice versa
limber knotBOT
though, that should be expected anyhow.
lucid pond
so if ur scared of upgrading then dont ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lean kiln
mappings version wasnt bumped but some names changed
limber knotBOT
zealous wedge
the relocation wasn't changed
limber knotBOT
oh thats interesting - I wonder if that's changed since I last used spigot (circa 2015), or I'm just misremembering
lean kiln
I think theyve been doing it for a while at least since 1.8
zealous wedge
that's been how Bukkit's done relocation since the beginning, spigot just kept the same thing
olive marlin
I still don't get the magic number VS relocation version etc.
Like why both of them exist?
zealous wedge
don't worry, you are not alone :)
golden gust
You mean the thing in unsafe?
That was the response to people complaining that he didn't version mappings properly or consistently
limber knotBOT
see the link above savageCat
olive marlin
But why are there 2 separate things to do the same thing? I guess relocation forces plugins to break, while magic numbers need smart devs to check them.
golden gust
Because he refuses to develop a constant strategy for it
limber knotBOT
I still think its an impl thing, and you should expect breakages every single mc version but whatever
golden gust
that's literally just a cop out for him adopting a sane pattern or guidelines of when to do the jump
olive marlin
But he breaks it even during same version, no?
golden gust
I mean, other month he released a version, iirc he then relocate it after some complaints that he didn't because of the scale of the mapping changes, then he reverted it because people where upset, then he reverted that
limber knotBOT
well, given the magic constant - plugin devs should rely on that for breakages over mc version I guess.
I think the relocation is totally unnecesery tbh.
olive marlin
But relocation force-breaks plugin on startup, making it not enable and make mess.
If it was written by a dev who is dum and didn't check the magic number.
golden gust
ah, he bumped on release, then reverted, then reverted the revert
olive marlin
I wish there was a better way to handle it all.
golden gust
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/commits/3af81c717980b5e114cb27029e7ee8f1defac841#pom.xml
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/commits/dd10b375c2bca25cf5f7acf2a832895839dcbaf0
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/commits/a489dd4ac94dea845adad4efc5978e242ae891ab
olive marlin
Maybe once paper hard forks there will be time to think about it?
limber knotBOT
well its an impl detail, so plugin developers need to be careful either which way.
golden gust
The relocations and the unstable mappings are what cause 99% of the issues with developers
They're capable of dealing with versioning themselves
and the sane mappings would solve 99.999% of the reasons why bukkit originally started the relocations
limber knotBOT
its not a trivial task to have comprehensive mappings cat :p
olive marlin
But Mojang mappings don't guarantee that they won't change function name etc, right?
limber knotBOT
as I understand, they do change names
olive marlin
Which is why fabric has the unique function names generated, iirc.
golden gust
The biggest concern was that mojang would drop a release, bukkit would drop theirs, and some rando a method that somebody was calling is now secretly setTheWorldOnFire
limber knotBOT
well among other reasons, fabric predates mojang publishing their mappings.
so to be clear, thats not why fabric have intermediary mappings.
golden gust
we're adopting sane mappings from mojang, so a lot of the concerns disappear, it's really down to plugin authors to determine how they wanna deal with it
am of the mind that removing the relocations and providing more stable mappings for developers would be a lot saner option vs coin flip "do we break it on them"
peak ginkgo
Mojmap and Adventure are the future
olive marlin
Would we be expected to check if all of the functions we use exist in OnEnable?
dim shadow
bro when and how does new mojang accounts get implemented? im thinkin im gonna miss it and miss out on my cape
golden gust
Depends really on what you're doing
olive marlin
What if function name changes content, but original content is moved to a new function or smth?
golden gust
Like, manual version checks are one option
unique snow
Are there solid plans to hard fork?
golden gust
nothing written in stone yet
dim shadow
hard... fork?
golden gust
Like, it's been a dream for years, but, the tooling is finally getting into place, etc
Breaking away from spigot, basically
worn ember
fork me harder
dim shadow
😮 thats waht i thought it meant LOL im not dumb
unique snow
I wouldn't be doing it without hangar, and probably would not be doing it without planning something to make it super easy for plugin devs in the future.
peak ginkgo
mmmmmm hardfork mojmap and adventure
olive marlin
There are plans, as soon as Mini can get some more beer and finish hangar and paperweight.
peak ginkgo
The future is nice
worn ember
yeah wait till hangar is properly established first
peak ginkgo
@olive marlin Your nickname doesn't read 1.16.5 :(
dim shadow
zzzCat forgive my simple mind but whats the benefit? doesnt piggybacking off of spigots work help paper devs?
golden gust
There's more technical feats addressed than social feats sitting around, baically
golden gust
No, because we're compounded by upstream
spare venture
that too
peak ginkgo
craftbukkit also sucks @spare venture
olive marlin
Because I'm not on 1.16.5 yet. It was just released 2 days ago and I have my final thesis due in 23 hours lol
golden gust
e.g. upstreams refusal to break API which shoulda been broken in 2014 still remains a massive headache for the platform
dim shadow
oh damn lol
worn ember
Because I'm not on 1.16.5 yet. It was just released 2 days ago and I have my fin...
i have my business process modeling final tomorrow 
unique snow
Yeah I agree.
golden gust
and if the flattening was anything to show, spigot would sooner break it's back clutching onto 6 year old plugins than move the API forward
spare venture
spigot is ran like a dictatorship too
peak ginkgo
Is someone gonna write Rosetta for Spigot to Paper plugins
dim shadow
well if y'all think this is best course of action then im happy & look forward to hard paper
peak ginkgo
CAN WE CALL THE HARD FORK CARDSTOCK
spare venture
hard paper yes
golden gust
short term, spigot plugins should remain compat
unique snow
That's what deprecation is for.. annoy people with warnings so devs update plugins for 6-12 months, then rip out the shit code.
zealous wedge
Is someone gonna write Rosetta for Spigot to Paper plugins
embrace the joys of asm
spare venture
call it cardboard
zealous wedge
someone's going to do a thing to runtime rewrite plugins lol
golden gust
long term, our intent is to move the API forward, not sit on our back waiting on the off chance we get things like custom dimension support
peak ginkgo
someone's going to do a thing to runtime rewrite plugins lol
Don't give me any ideas
spare venture
lol deprecation in spigot
peak ginkgo
reject modernity, embrace asm
spare venture
you mean mark it as deprecated then never yoink it
golden gust
There's already 2 plugin platforms
peak ginkgo
The bukkit way.
golden gust
bukkit+ and sponge
golden gust
bukkit just literally hasn't moved forwards in years
spare venture
i mean hell, there's stuff that's deprecated that is deprecated for no reason
peak ginkgo
I haven't met anyone unironically running Sponge
unique snow
Deprecation without a solid time based or version based plan is basically worth shit all.
dim shadow
i meant among spigot/paper lol thers plenty other forks of stuff
a big family of mc server forks
worn ember
theres around 1k sponge servers
zealous wedge
sponge is real :)
spare venture
the ItemInHand shit still pisses me off
peak ginkgo
Sponge is stuck on 1.12 though
golden gust
sponge is a nice concept
zealous wedge
where do you think mixin and configurate came from
golden gust
it's just managed by some horrible people
worn ember
am waiting for sponge 8
golden gust
runs
peak ginkgo
I concur
golden gust
(jk, I love you spongey fellows ❤️ )
unique snow
Sponge is working on 1.15/1.16. Which would be nice
peak ginkgo
And that says a lot, I spend time around you guys
worn ember
its in the works last iheard
golden gust
The thing is that there are many tools in the community which have been developed, and there are many which make sense to bundle in or look into adopting
zealous wedge
ah yes 1.12
unique snow
I'd like a SpongeForge server in my network that isn't ancient.
spare venture
the worst thing is that there's compatibility and shit from 5 years ago for some reason
golden gust
e.g. adventure, a decent component API which is already cross platform and doesn't need us to have yet another chat API
mixins would be super nice
worn ember
those are dev builds tho 🙂
peak ginkgo
@zealous wedge Are you a Sponge contrib
spare venture
.g how old is 1.8
limber knotBOT
peak ginkgo
@spare venture Here
zealous wedge
yes dejay
coarse lily
"Minecraft 1.8 is 6 years, 4 months, 16 days old and counting!"
peak ginkgo
YES I WROTE THAT FROM FUCKING MEMORY
How many domains does this person own
Oh it's Phoenix
spare venture
how much are .today domains lol
worn ember
pretty cheap
peak ginkgo
$2.98/yr on Namecheap
wraith trail
for the first year
dim shadow
i want a .beer domain but i cant think of a use for it
peak ginkgo
then ditch to cloudflare like i do
wraith trail
renewal is ~15
coarse lily
<$3/yr barty.
spare venture
ah makes sense
coarse lily
12 month joke is worth $3.
peak ginkgo
Cloudflare supports today though
It looks like Cloudflare supports all the Donuts domains though
dim shadow
has anyone ever tried regionalizing their server? like google translating everything and hosting in another country to see how ur setup fares in different cultures?
spare venture
I’ve seen people try to use google translate to talk to me before and it sounds pretty stupid so no
worn ember
dont really care how they call someone a noob in their respective language
spiral robin
coarse lily
Nice aber.
worn ember
dont need handrails if you dont have hands
coarse lily
Boat docks usually don't have handrails because boats don't have hands.
golden gust
to release in another country, you gotta have staff who can speak that language, the ability to maintain your translations, etc
dim shadow
i've seen translator plugins
potent fossil
PlayerInventory newInventory = (PlayerInventory) Bukkit.createInventory(null, InventoryType.PLAYER);
java.lang.ClassCastException: class org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_16_R3.inventory.CraftInventoryCustom cannot be cast to class org.bukkit.inventory.PlayerInventory (org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_16_R3.inventory.CraftInventoryCustom and org.bukkit.inventory.PlayerInventory are in unnamed module of loader 'app')
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worn ember
my motto: learn english or fuck off
dim shadow
the one i used wasn't async lol which was a big issue
next wind
i've seen translator plugins
doesnt mean they will make sense
throw a sentence in google translate and then convert it back to english
its going to be a mess
dim shadow
my motto: learn english or fuck off
im gonna stick a server in their country LOL im trynna do business not colonize for america
next wind
and youre gonna have a pain of a time managing staff if theres a language barrier
worn ember
yeah well i dont bother communicating with people who dont bother learning the language of the internet
dim shadow
LOL language of the internet damn thats kinda true
golden gust
createInventory only supports a few built-in inventories
potent fossil
please kill me lmao
worn ember
if ur 12 and dont know it thats fine, but dont talkt o me then ;3
golden gust
potent fossil
im trying to write a converter and I need to convert to a PlayerInventory. I guess I can do this real hacky like and log in, and use my player as a workspace just so I can fucking have access to a PlayerInventory object
minecraft is a joy
fallen oracle
Minecraft is so much fun!
spiral robin
Yeah super nice out this evening
potent fossil
ok that was kinda fun to watch but ultra stupid that i needed to do that
fallen oracle
Do what
potent fossil
had a db of a bunch of playerdata with player inventories done in a really stupid way, needed to write a converter to get them stored in a format that would be much easier to just toss into a player's inventory without extra unnecessary stupidity
fallen oracle
Ahh
potent fossil
so, had to load all the Inventory objects and needed a temporary PlayerInventory so I could place items into the armor/extra/contents and then serialize that
but can't construct that normally, so I had to log in and hijack my user as a temporary workspace
was fun watching thousands of inventories get thrown around in my player inv while it ran
fallen oracle
Ahh
spiral robin
Ahh
potent fossil
Ahh
restive thicket
Ahh
limber knotBOT
nah
spiral robin
Robo 
potent fossil
spiral robin
Simple 
limber knotBOT
imma build a CO alternative forreals this time, any idea on how the db should look or should I instead start on the storage interface first
waxen panther
CO?
limber knotBOT
coreprotect
spiral robin
Yeah he does
spiral robin
Intelli 
limber knotBOT
I built one but it was rushed for databases class, so the code is pretty bad but learned how 2 make sum pretty kewl diagrams
limber knotBOT
I think I tried to jam one many to many in there but I don't think there really is one of those there lol
they wanted something that looks like this tho (I think export to pdf may have messed this up a lil) https://techfortress.azurewebsites.net/ApplicationFrameHost_2021-01-17_17-16-26.png
spiral robin
Sweet
limber knotBOT
mighty storm
anyone own a yubikey? worth it?
mental meadow
anyone own a yubikey? worth it?
No but I'm also interested in that question 
mighty storm
I see quite a handful of sites doing it an my lazy ass would benefit from not having to type in a code if i dont have to
mighty storm
what's that?
twin lagoon
yubikey but with fingerprint auth
twin lagoon
camotoy 
restive thicket
Hello!
twin lagoon
no
twin lagoon
camotoy 
restive thicket
I greatly enjoy mine.
mighty storm
so it really is just 2fa but hardware not software
mighty storm
probably would get the USB-A and NFC one
so it would work with phone and computer
if I were to get one
restive thicket
Yeah, that sounds like the one I have.
mighty storm
i havent even implemented normal 2fa yet on my sites
only because no fucken clue how
all i see are the authy ones like i got screwed out of my coinbase account one time
zealous wedge
I have a yubikey, it's quite nice
the yubikey 5c is nice, bc it can plug directly into my phone
pulsar wigeon
i write all my passwords OTPs on a piece of paper and then feed it to my dog, that way no one will ever find them
mighty storm
this isnt about passwords it's about the step between passwords and signing in 😤
cosmic raft
lmfao
golden gust
"No, sorry, my dog ate my password, can you just reset it"
mighty storm
i do agree, why bother signing in when you can just not have passwords 
spiral robin
kashike 
cosmic raft
so even though the site it mentions is political, it is worth sharing here too
for a "social media" site
golden gust
See
Something tells me that the devs where more playing "look at these htops" rather than using a sane setup
mighty storm
all i recognize is a lot of ram
wild escarp
look at this neofetch!
twin lagoon
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er5WmBxXUAEpICW?format=jpg&name=large
yeah that's buyvm iirc
fucking stupid lmao
cosmic raft
fucking stupid lmao
hm?
twin lagoon
the requirements
twin lagoon
buyvm was in contact with parler i believe
twin lagoon
ur yike
spiral robin
Kashike have you been to five guys
clever widget
I don't even do 1 GB in a month!
how
mighty storm
wdym how
cosmic raft
Kashike have you been to five guys
I ordered dinner from them tonight
Not been to a physical FG though
mighty storm
great borgurs
spiral robin
yee
mighty storm
fries are mid-tier tho
mighty storm
how many requests though
clever widget
bruh i dont know
mighty storm
This site specifically is 60k requests, 870 MB served (868 MB of which was cached)
clever widget
oh i thought you were talking about server
mighty storm
yes i would willingly accept if they were good
i prefer my fries circumsized, sorry
spiral robin
clever widget
for my site ive served 2gb at 2000 requests
mighty storm
what are you serving
clever widget
idk tbh
idk whats in that data
but i do have some images on my site
and i may or may not have shared a gif link or 2
mighty storm
yeah and the aforementioned site is a meme website, i dont doubt most of those requests are images
mighty storm
Though to be fair
spiral robin
Do you expect discord to serve everything when someone favorites it?
clever widget
im that one person who does self host eeeeeee
mighty storm
i'd technically save money if i switched to self host
mental meadow
Chew💕
potent fossil
if you have 1) the proper hardware, 2) the proper bandwidth, 3) a firewall, and 4) the know how then there is no problem homehosting
clever widget
i only have a 3.6 gigahertz cpu
mighty storm
indeed
mighty storm
cowards, lemme see all my objects
mental meadow
i need more cup
I understand that feeling
mental meadow
No no
mighty storm
spell icpu 
mental meadow
No need to deny it
clever widget
i have plenty of cups
potent fossil
spell icpu <:sunglas:734956765543923782>
I see pee, you?
mighty storm
only 3 hour shift tonight bois, holiday tomorrow
clever widget
mental meadow
Yay
clever widget
whenever i do the start all servers, my cpu goes AAAAAAAAAA
twin lagoon
@mental meadow go to bed wtf
mighty storm
Oh there's a delete button
mighty storm
wtf
mental meadow
It's really cuddly!!! Wanna join?
warm anchor
limber knotBOT
now that's a yike
mental meadow
Me or aws or both?
mighty storm
watch it charge me for deleting literally 0 B of data
twin lagoon
potent fossil
delete the delete markers by applying delete markers to the delete markers
clever widget
imagine sleeping instead of rushing to get out that update that you promised everyone to get out but has tons of bugs
mental meadow
no ily
clever widget
am i a transgender
potent fossil
what
mighty storm
what a twist
mental meadow
Well that's a question you have to answer yourself
clever widget
thats a question that im having a real hard time answering myself
mental meadow
clever widget
and heres a person with a hand on a ski
zealous wedge
mental meadow
If you need help you can DM me but I probably won't reply until tomorrow
potent fossil
mighty storm
hmm today i will decide to open my work browser
mental meadow
zealous wedge
yeah we have been ruined by the internet haven't we
mental meadow
golden gust
I was raised by the internet and I'm a well adopted person
mental meadow
Don't worry
golden gust
in other news
mental meadow
Cat is
golden gust
fuck you, %random_person%
potent fossil
well-adopted? you were adopted by a well?
zealous wedge
I was raised by the internet and I'm a well adopted person
I don't believe you
clever widget
ERROR: %random_person% is not a valid placeholder!
unique snow
PAPI broken?
potent fossil
golden gust
i will fight you
golden gust
I'll cut you
mental meadow
cat rn
golden gust
with a butter knife
clever widget
my cat is so hungry
potent fossil
another non-actioned threat
cat is weak these days
he used to be much more dangerous
mighty storm
is this bad
potent fossil
then again he also used to purr when i pet him but now he just growls whenever anyone gets within 5 inches of him
mental meadow
can you even hold a knife atm cat
potent fossil
oi m8 got a loicense for that knoife
mental meadow
You can join me my bed is nice and warm, I've been laying in here contemplating everything for the last 5 hours
mental meadow
That's The reason why I'm still awake, so I can sleep while gf is working
mental meadow
Aurora are you gonna be alright?
Like in general or right now
warm anchor
Right now and foreseeable future aka Monday 
mental meadow
Probably
warm anchor
mental meadow
mental meadow
Ah yes
golden gust
p. sure thats konnichwa or something
mental meadow
The first one is hello
regal wigeon
Hi
mental meadow
My Japanese is good enough for that
golden gust
I remember that one, coz writing that with IME is fun
regal wigeon
I can speak english but not good
golden gust
the words spelt like konnichiha or something like that to get IME to do it properly
is fun
mental meadow
I can speak english but not good
You can use Google translate if you need to :)
regal wigeon
ok 🙂
mental meadow
I always wanted to learn japanese ;-;
regal wigeon
I want to use good english better than now^^
golden gust
The good news is that english is one of the most sane and logical languages ever
mental meadow
Learning another language is hard, but having to learn another alphabet on top of that is even worse
mental meadow
He's considered a cat
mellow quiver
an owner/co owner of the discord
warm anchor
are you considered leadership here?
yes zzzcat is the leader
mellow quiver
someone who makes important decisions
potent fossil
https://youtu.be/QrylYsDWkec
mental meadow
Do you want notable? xD
warm anchor
ugh no...
golden gust
Ererrrrrrmmm, we don't really have any individual who serves as leadership, i general refer people to kash :L
depends on the nature of the bot, really
regal wigeon
あいうえお！
mellow quiver
yeah I've been advertising it to a few other discords
mental meadow
We have that at I-S
mellow quiver
yeah, I messaged notmyfault about it a little while ago
potent fossil
ah yes, NYF, NMF's evil twin
mental meadow
I can bring it up internally if you want
mental meadow
I didn't see him ask lol
mellow quiver
he might've pmed one of the core team members, not sure
potent fossil
or he lied
potent fossil
golden gust
mellow quiver
¯_(ツ)_/¯
anyway, it's got all the paper docs
well all the ones worth adding
along with docs for a bunch of popular plugins and tools
and if you guys need any more, I'm happy to add them
warm anchor
<:PES_Amateur:643089267177947149>
potent fossil
wow
mental meadow
Ofc
mellow quiver
invite is under the usage tab for the bot https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/DocDex#usage-1
mental meadow
God Youtube recommendations are so weird but also so good
Now it got me hooked watching some guy trimming cows hooves
potent fossil
https://www.youtube.com/c/DadhowdoI/videos
this is cute
he starts his video with "Hey kids" 😭
mental meadow
That channel is so nice
mental meadow
Like didn't he talk about how he just wanted to do those videos for kids who might not have a dad or their dad didn't teach them
golden gust
I remember learning how to shave
potent fossil
He grew up w/o a dad, and then taught himself all this so he could teach his own kids
golden gust
My mother told me the stuff was :L
mental meadow
My mom thought he how to shave bc my dad sucks lol
potent fossil
yea my entire childhood my dad was a raging alcoholic, he's been sober for 3 years now but his entire sobriety has been my adulthood
i try to talk to him but it's like, idk. kinda like talking to a friend, not a dad
it's weird
mental meadow
I know that feeling
Plus realizing that like 80% of why I need therapy is probably because of him
potent fossil
mental meadow
I got sleeping issues
golden gust
I was lucky and got to move in with my grandparents for a few years, was done with home so kinda went there to cool off and kinda ended up sticking there for a few years, was good
potent fossil
ok god damn it i've been shaving wrong my entire life
this channel actually just helped me
golden gust
how have you been shaving wrong? o.O
potent fossil
he put shaving cream on while his skin was dry, i always got my face damp first
not sure why
just felt right
golden gust
he forgot to wet it and said he forgot to
potent fossil
o
mental meadow
I just randomly move the razor along until everything is gone lol
golden gust
You can shave without damping, but, it generally helps as it sorta opens up the pores a bit or something iirc
mental meadow
But actually pro tip use conditioner (for your hair) instead of shaving cream, it's so much better
potent fossil
yeah he just said that in the vid, I just decided to talk w/o full context 😂
golden gust
just gotta try different creams, really
potent fossil
I use this for everything https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ca31ab19-6303-44b9-9b93-4fe4e23d94ef_2.14f388bd64517e1b61eb5925822f74df.jpeg
golden gust
Well, not creams, shave butter is what they call it
potent fossil
hands, face, hair, body. i use conditioner as well, as that is just soap, but for cleaning, that
shaving too, works as shaving cream
golden gust
it's basically more creamy and moistens up the hairs so they cut better
potent fossil
wat
golden gust
Does it work as lube doe?
golden gust
😄
Wtf is all that writing on the bottle
is that just there for when you're poopin?
potent fossil
i haven't read it all, but a lot of it is ways to use the soap and instructions for diluting it
like for toothpaste, you put it in water first so you aren't literally brushing with 100% concentrated soap
tells you the mixture to do
the top is like some bible shit, which i ignore
potent fossil
from the hot water tap that you absolutely do not drink out of, right?
mental meadow
Are you serious
golden gust
Like, tryna rinse out the sink with cold water is a bitch
I was doing it wrong for so many years
mental meadow
Cat discovering that hot water cleans better than cold water, wondering why the dishwasher always used hot water
golden gust
Well, we can drink out of the hot water tap these days as it's from the same supply like and the combi boiler tank is tiny and not exposed to the elements
Well, yea, but, I thoght that the hairs sticking to the bowl where just what everybody competed with
potent fossil
Just recalling the Tom Scott vid I watched where he was talking about dead mice in people's hot water tanks
golden gust
Coz, like, hot water = energy and energy usage baaad
Yea, that was a real issue D:
Like, nobody ever looked after those tanks, so they're just up in the attic
potent fossil
That's disgusting lmao
limber knotBOT
hot water tanks in the attic?
mental meadow
Still better than showering in Ethiopia
golden gust
Like, it would be a proper tank with like a float valve or something iirc, and it would have like a top, but, the top would generally start rusting away after like 10-20 years
potent fossil
Do you just use water heating appliances now? We just get cold water from the main and if we want it hot, it goes through the water heater first before continuing the journey
golden gust
They defo did not survive as long as they should have type deals
limber knotBOT
yea most are tankless now, but even then hot water tanks for us are in garages
golden gust
But, yea, everybody is moving to combi boilers these days
void void
F
limber knotBOT
not in the attic of all places
limber knotBOT
idk why you'd want to have a tank of anything with water above your floors
golden gust
I mean, having the tank was handy at times
Like, if the water supply goes off, the tank is generally designed to be large enough to store water for like a few days most
limber knotBOT
yea that's like the only use case I see for having it up top
golden gust
We lived in an area where burst mains where kinda like common
not having water in the kitchen but being able to shamefully grab a glass from the bathroom was horrible now that I look back, but, you know, desperate times call for desperate measures
that intro joke
potent fossil
"Hey kids, so, mom calls me ..."
so wholesome =(
mental meadow
I was on a Roadtrip with 3 friends and none of them knew how to jumpstart a car or change the blinker lights
That felt really nice being the only girl in the group:D
potent fossil
I need a portable jump kit
golden gust
did you top up the blinker fluid?
golden gust
kek
limber knotBOT
ya, you just get AAA
limber knotBOT
might as well put my insurance money 2 use
golden gust
This one time I had to bloody bump start a minivan
mental meadow
We got one of those now simple they are really great
Still had enough charge after laying in the back of the car for 4 years
potent fossil
i have AAA, but for a simple jumpstart on an old car that dies just for fun whenever it feels like is a waste
need AAA for an actual emergency
mental meadow
I was on a Roadtrip with 3 friends and none of them knew how to jumpstart a car ...
also I was the only one without a driving license, don't they teach that shit
golden gust
no
potent fossil
no
They test if you can drive a car, and that's the end of it
I didn't even get to use my own car on my driver test because they were like "no it's too old"
kek
limber knotBOT
they told me how to do that
golden gust
for me jump starting is ez cos I used to deal with HV substation panels, so, one would hope I can bloody jump start a car
potent fossil
Not even that old, but 89
golden gust
But, i mean
limber knotBOT
you need to be taught if you're under 18
mental meadow
I'd hope so cat lol
potent fossil
They wanted me to use my mom's car which is an 06
limber knotBOT
weird
golden gust
most people wouldn't be able to put the batteries in a remote if there wasn't a pretty picture
mental meadow
I mean it is kinda counter intuitive in my mind to connect + with +
golden gust
the capacity of a car battery is fucking crazy, they're designed for dumping like a hundred amps or something, iirc
you're charging a battery
mental meadow
I know how it works, it just seems wrong for some reason
golden gust
But, I mean, it's a generally trivial thing to jump a car, but, it's not something that's taught, and I wouldn't trust like 90% of drivers to deal with that
warm anchor
well you are charging so you are reversing the normal process
mental meadow
Like you can't put + to + on a magnet kinda wrong
warm anchor
think of it like that
golden gust
But, I mean, it's like changing a tire
It's a simple thing which you'd hope all drivers could do, but, majority don't
I ain't ever owned a car and can do those two things
warm anchor
normally your battery is on discharge role so to charge it you are reverting the chemical process that's normally happening in your battary
potent fossil
the part that freaks people out about a tire change i think is propping up the car
which is like 
but the bolts and removing the tire is easy enough
golden gust
tbh, that is horrible as the mounting points on some cars is just fucking moronic
you're just there, car mounted up, and all you're worried about is "is this next move gonna be what sends it to the floor 😄
mental meadow
Oh I got a little obd2 bluetooth adapter thingy that's really interesting
Reading all the sensor data while driving
golden gust
My grandpa had a wired one iirc
mental meadow
Because we have some useless digital fuel gauge and no temperature gauge
golden gust
he was having some issues with his car so ended up grabbing one to figure out wtf it was
potent fossil
Mine is 32 years old now
golden gust
remember him being pissed off about that one too, think he got the whole exhaust replaced
golden gust
that first one is like the 5th renewal
Like, with the UK, you're only talking a few hundred miles to get from where we was to like london
most of the travel in the UK is generally like 20, 30 minute drives
he worked from home for like a good few years there and had like a yearly trip down to plymouth
their hospital there is bloody huge
potent fossil
I literally drive 20-30 minutes and am not even to the next town in california yet
golden gust
most stuff is generally localish here unless you live rural, in which case it's a car drive if you wanna go for a shit almost
potent fossil
might be just getting there with a few more mins
gentle lake
Hey guys, I'm not sure where to post this question so I'm going to post it here. I'm wondering what you guys do to keep you servers secure from people trying to attack your PC from the port MC uses
gentle lake
and possibly how you guys protect from DDOS
mental meadow
Kash did tea arrive yet? :C
brave radish
use Paper, that's about it
mental meadow
and possibly how you guys protect from DDOS
That's The reason why I have my server at ovh
golden gust
servers secure
cosmic raft
golden gust
attack your pc from the port mc uses
mental meadow
I can hear that gif
golden gust
Erm, if MC is the only thing listneing on that port, it's the only thing they'll be able to talk to on that port?
wraith trail
Erm, if MC is the only thing listneing on that port, it's the only thing they'll...
a lot of people don't understand how that works
golden gust
port forwarding MC does not expose your machine to any more risks than general
cosmic raft
Time to go back to hunting on google for stuff
golden gust
any risk is stuff you run on your own machine, which can open ports without you knowing anyways
brave radish
just an open port itself is rarely a problem unless there's some bad software running. MC has had plenty issues with crashing, and some issues with their authentication servers letting ppl steal accounts, but not issues with the software itself having real security risks
potent fossil
tcpshield to help with ddos attacks i guess
potent fossil
Time to go back to hunting on google for stuff
wat u looking for
gentle lake
okay, thanks guys!
cosmic raft
wat u looking for
Not something I can talk about in public