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#general
waxen panther
limber knotBOT
Inspect element should allow you to preview minor changes, other things can probably also be changed but it depends on the browser you are working on
topaz mortar
Window 1 Sublime with highlighting and completion for html.
Window 2 Browser with file opened + reload page
golden gust
broc.
waxen panther
u need to get a hold of proxi
she's merging prs without core team review
she's out of control !!
clever widget
is piracy bad
waxen panther
yes 
mental meadow
depends on what you're pirating
golden gust
It's always wrong
as for how wrong it is generally slides on a scale
if it's some large ass company, very few care
if you're stealing software from some small developer who's tryna make ends meet, you're a douche
waxen panther
sus
limber knotBOT
they still exist
limber knotBOT
Factorio is a known example that has one
golden gust
demo's are defo kinda dead
clever widget
oh wait thats the teacher
limber knotBOT
Kerbal space programm is also another game that I know of that has them
golden gust
Yea, but pretty much no major AAA title really deals with demo's anymore
You're generally expected to pay for the pre-release and then refund when it turns out to be a buggy POS
clever widget
bruh this weird bald teacher has a gaming chair and sports jerseys in the background
visual egret
minecraft has a game demo
slim nymph
Immortals Fenyx Rising did lol
lyric hinge
Random question - if you were to set the lobby in Bungeecord to point to another Bungeecord server, would this - https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/blob/master/proxy/src/main/java/net/md_5/bungee/connection/DownstreamBridge.java#L261 - error trigger on the main bungee or on the second bungee?
I'd think it'd trigger on the main bungee, correct, as that code looks to be listening for an incoming message from the backend Paper server?
slim nymph
had to play the Stadia Demo to unlock a cosmetic armor
golden gust
The first one
visual egret
proxy behind proxy setups eww
lyric hinge
The first one
Thought so, thanks
And yeah I don't think it's an intentional setup, helping someone who's getting that error and trying to figure out what the fuck is being done haha
golden gust
proxy in proxy is asking for issues anyways, nor is there a sane reason to do it
lyric hinge
Yeah no it's not intentionally set up like that, just misconfigured
golden gust
Are they running two bungee instances or just one?
visual egret
why is there bungeecord behind bungeecord setup
you cant "accidentally" set that up
golden gust
Wait no, singular proxy would blow up earlier, nvm
lyric hinge
Just one, and Bungeecord is bound to localhost:25565 and the only backends are pointing to different ports which are running Spigot servers
TCPShield plugin is installed though, might be messing with something, not sure, gonna try without that
golden gust
I mean, what I was thinking of was they did the "let's connect the proxy to itself"
lyric hinge
Nah, they didn't, or at least not in the typical way
I think I can figure it out from here, just wanted to be sure I was looking in the right place
tranquil lynx
ok this is weird request i have pentium 4 3.20ghz processor and i want to upgrade it to something powerful without upgrading motherboard.
waxen panther
gg
golden gust
specific CPU matters given the whole concept of sockets
But, pentium 4, generally, give up
warm anchor
ok this is weird request i have pentium 4 3.20ghz processor and i want to upgrad...
You cant put rocket on a dead horse and expect it to go brrrr
warm anchor
golden gust
Yea, 10 years ago for a budget bin box, yea, sure
warm anchor
That processor is older than some of the players in Minecraft rn
topaz mortar
2000-2008?
warm anchor
let it sink in
tranquil lynx
i am not that rich boy
topaz mortar
You got that hardware from a dumpster?
golden gust
if your intent is to run a server, You'd be better off spending a handful of bucks a month on a small mc hosting plan than throwing cash into a ~15 year old setup
tranquil lynx
if only my country support international payment
warm anchor
are you in North Korean or something...?
mossy vessel
For some reason people have the illusion that home hosted, ancient technology is more worth than any modern plan at a recommendable hosting company.
golden gust
I mean, if you wanna throw cash into it, go ahead, we can't stop you
clever widget
MY CAT IS BEING SO BAD
golden gust
We're just saying that throwing cash into literally 15 year old hardware is a moronic way to spend cash if your intent is to run a server
visual egret
For some reason people have the illusion that home hosted, ancient technology is...
sometimes it is
twin lagoon
it's not
visual egret
like an rpi that i had laying around
golden gust
makes me wonder if you'd be better off sinking the cash into a pi or something
clever widget
she was sitting on my mousepad and then started stepping on my keyboard
i tried to get her off but then she clawed me and now im bleeding
earlier she hissed at me
tranquil lynx
everybody is using that hardware here
vernal moth
Rpi isn't ancient technology
clever widget
idk what is up with this cat
golden gust
But, if you really wanna go that route, go look at the socket for the current CPU and go look at what chips are available for that socket
clever widget
But most the time she's nice
vernal moth
Don't mess with them
clever widget
but she messed with me
vernal moth
Cause she can ^^
limber knotBOT
what else did you expect?
clever widget
but she's never done this before
ashen cliff
Rpi isn't ancient technology
Till the RPI4 they were.
clever widget
we've had her for almost 3 years
visual egret
some people are weird
tranquil lynx
how good is rasp pi 4 for hosting??
visual egret
well
golden gust
it's crap
ashen cliff
Depends™️.
golden gust
I mean, if you want a server for a handful of friends, it'll do
visual egret
can confirm
ashen cliff
For like a 4 player server, should be fine.
warm anchor
4 is pushing it 
visual egret
but havent checked since
tranquil lynx
ok seem good
ashen cliff
It's also nice that any PI4 can be overclocked by at least 25%, if you add a heatsink on top.
twin lagoon
clever widget
what will it do
mossy vessel
I do not even play this once
visual egret
wtf
twin lagoon
clever widget
it said hay listen
visual egret
micheal the discord bug exploiter
clever widget
but what happens if i do it again
wide chasm
Nice
twin lagoon
Nice
ashen cliff
Metadata corruption.
visual egret
micheal commits xss on papermc discord
visual egret
play it again
clever widget
it wont play
twin lagoon
if you play it twice on the discord desktop client
visual egret
oh
twin lagoon
it should work
clever widget
oh im in browser
visual egret
micheal where do you get these from?
twin lagoon
idk i just get them sent
visual egret
where
twin lagoon
people
olive marlin
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
My media player refuses to play it twice and gives out an error
twin lagoon
because it's old
limber knotBOT
Why would 1.12.2 still be supported?
golden gust
Because it's not been maintained in years?
golden gust
You're more than welcome to fork it and maintain it yourself
golden gust
There are many known duplication and crashing issues in 1.12
visual egret
@knotty fox are you hosting on a nokia?
golden gust
You can patch them if you want
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
The paper devs have a limited time to spend, the best they can do it to support industry-wide LTS version
visual egret
halp why minecwaft sever not run
limber knotBOT
Yes
topaz mortar
LTS is not a thing for minecraft
For Minecraft only LaTeSt is a thing.
mossy vessel
Get out
limber knotBOT
however what I was saying is that most community-made projects target 1.16.4 and maybe a bit of 1.15.2
limber knotBOT
Ignoring the projects that should never have been there like Magma
golden gust
We really do not care
golden gust
if you want to run outdated software, you're more than welcome to
limber knotBOT
60+ players will start the server to lag, 1.16.4 is optimized af
Chances are you won't get that many players
quasi valley
can you
golden gust
Please stop flooding the channel
quasi valley
please
limber knotBOT
I'm talking simultaniously
mossy vessel
Enter != shift+enter
twin lagoon
because they way you talk is garbage
quasi valley
just write a single coherent message please
golden gust
By using the enter key as punctuation, it floods the channel needlessly
twin lagoon
kneny ur just jealous he has 180 on 1.12.2
visual egret
yeah kneny
limber knotBOT
180 players when?
visual egret
mods
tropic flame
is this a 4chan user
mossy vessel
golden gust
?ban @knotty fox fuck off
leaden oxideBOT
bigchungus cat gaming#8226 was banned | fuck off
visual egret
stupid 1.12.2 hosts
warm anchor
limber knotBOT
I bet he doesn't even get that many players
visual egret
he probably cheats on his own anarchy server with creative mode
tropic flame
1.12.2 is fine, most of its users are not 🤣
visual egret
^
lyric hinge
@golden gust Update, if you care - user was using a fork of Bungee and Paper that let you set a custom server brand. He had the server brand set to his server name on both of them so Bungeecord thought it was connecting to itself...
ashen cliff
1.12.2 is fine, most of its users are not 🤣
Including you. 
limber knotBOT
I highly doubt 1.12.2 even runs properly with 0.2k players
visual egret
eww custom server brand
tropic flame
Including you. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
how so? 🤨
ashen cliff
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm anchor
Well he clearly cant read
golden gust
200 players on 1.12.2 is doable with the right config
aikar got like 150 on paper other day iirc
(probs higher, my heads spinning so I don't remember good"
quasi valley
("
tropic flame
")
golden gust
I'd say fight me but I'm battling the urge for a nap
mossy vessel
cat's english machine broke
visual egret
<@!126975485493248000> Update, if you care - user was using a fork of Bungee and...
server brand changing is stupid
quasi valley
aka his brain
unreal quarry
Thought this was a dad-free zone
visual egret
the developers made the servers, why would you take away their 1% of advertising
golden gust
Don't gotta tell you wife you forgot about the kids
topaz mortar
server brand changing is stupid
Configurable one is stupid. I'm fine changing it when doing a fork with some unique features.
visual egret
is the fork open source?
unreal quarry
mine's configurable ^_^ i put color codes in it and everything :3
ashen cliff
How long can it even be?
unreal quarry
longer than can fit on F3 screen
ashen cliff
So just like tab. Epic.
visual egret
is there any other string that the server controls?
topaz mortar
is the fork open source?
yeah, but I need to add more features.
I think setting a default playerlist footer and modifying the one set by plugins to add a message like running <forkname> is a dick move.
mossy vessel
Imagine people discrediting authors.
night parcel
one of my players had inventory cleared after trading villager, he told me he was fast trading tapping space or whatever, its that possible ?
i tried to google, but didnt find anything
limber knotBOT
I have been thinking of intercepting the /plugin command to force my plugins being visible, but never actually did it
potent fossil
good morning
mossy vessel
limber knotBOT
I think I should do it and add an option to remove it if the server admin pays
wide chasm
Most smaller servers you can see the plugin list when querying the server anyway, because they don't disable it.
mossy vessel
There's no real reason to hide your plugins. If your server is build up plugins solely, you might want to reconsider your concept in the first place.
topaz mortar
Imagine allowing to show the plugins in f3 server string.
mossy vessel
Especially if you wrote your own plugins nobody can get anywhere lol
Couldn't care less.
*anywhere but your gh
However there is a spigot PR changing the default of version and plugin to OP
night parcel
does anyone know about a bug of inv clearing after trading villager?
warm anchor
offline .-.?
mossy vessel
Evil villager stealing your inv?
warm anchor
xDD
night parcel
someone told me that he traded and inventory glitched, he was fast trading idk
night parcel
yes
slim nymph
aikar got like 150 on paper other day iirc
220 actually lol. it was lagging badly, but i found protocol lib was a big culprit. which im not even using atm.... i need to go remove it
only had protocol lib for Libs Disguises, which we dont have loaded atm
topaz mortar
1.16.4 and 220? Good job.
night parcel
so, if a player tried to use a mod, or exploit, could his inventory be cleared?
warm anchor
so, if a player tried to use a mod, or exploit, could his inventory be cleared?
is the server running online or offline mode
golden gust
Lot of it really comes down to knowing the gist of how the server works and being able to config around it
golden gust
I mean, the mod would need to be doing something dumb to toast an inventory
warm anchor
then plugin then
golden gust
But, like, 🤷♂️
warm anchor
why u ask?
coz offline server having inventory issue isnt new
golden gust
Shouldn't be viable in vanilla given the whole FIFO of packets and there is no real way for survival mode to just delete stuff afaik
if there is, oof
solid siren
thankss man
spare venture
i just want to say that - why do plugins need to be publicly viewable by players?
there's no reason they should see the inner workings on your server in any way
ashen cliff
Need is the wrong word to use here.
next wind
they dont need to, but I think its nice just to be open
if youre using off the shelf plugins no reason to hide them
spare venture
there is no reason to show them
next wind
yeah but its either hide them and go out of your way to do so or just leave them visible
ashen cliff
There would be, but since most people block it, there is no point even checking.
We have users who join, do /plugins and see if there are plugins that they already know.
So they don't need to check the wiki for stuff.
next wind
i think its just intresting tbh
spare venture
yeah i'm never showing my plugin list
i have no idea why the default stance is to show them
ashen cliff
<ServerName>Core, <ServerName>SurvivalCore, <ServerName>SurvivalAddons.
spare venture
there's nothing like a player joining your server with a huge brain saying "wow ur server must be laggy it has so many plugins"
ashen cliff
Stop shading and start including.
mossy vessel
🤯
ashen cliff
27MB chat plugin, HERE WE GO!
bold iron
How to convert essentials player balance data to cmi..
cedar spade
Ask CMI
potent fossil
i just googled cmi convert from essentials
warm anchor
Lies it can’t be that simple
magic river
.g minecraft cmi
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/cmi-commands/
heady spear
oh fuck i forgot
heady spear
what
heady spear
who r u
potent fossil
.kill Citymonstret
limber knotBOT
crushes Citymonstret with a huge spiked barrel of rocks.
ashen cliff
*crushes Citymonstret with a huge spiked barrel of rocks.*
I bought a whole bunch of shungite! Rocks.
magic river
https://tenor.com/view/cat-clingy-notice-me-aww-gif-11703561
Where did you get a video of my cat? 😛
cosmic raft
:3
magic river
Orange tabby, bell on his collar, clingy as fuck
heady spear
^that is me when i see kash
cosmic raft
uwu
magic river
When he was a kitten I was afraid the black lab would hurt or kill him trying to play so he stayed on my lap most of the day and slept with me for the first month, now I can't get rid of him 😛
heady spear
n'aw
potent fossil
wat
ashen cliff
The null check is redundant.
slim nymph
man its sad when you gotta fight a site to let you order from it. Had to ship to my business address and use a diff payment method through paypal as they apparently blacklisted our address and or card for razer.com.
stiff yarrow
weird
slim nymph
their support is beyond useless and robots. they keep telling us we have to call our CC company and ask for an auth code, and CC company said thats not something they give out ,that the vendor has to call and ask for that
cosmic raft
what did you buy?
slim nymph
left handed mouse (for wife)
only sold on their stupid store
otherwise would have ordered elsewhere
cosmic raft
heh
stiff yarrow
I had a nightmare last night where I was in a fairly large parking lot (maybe walmart sized) on one end of it, and on the other end were 3 bears and people by the bears taking pictures of them or something, then suddenly the bears go into brutal murder mode and chase down and rip people to shreds and suddenly my life is in danger, also have you ever seen a bear run? they are fast af
cosmic raft
I used to have a recurring nightmare as a kid
spiral robin
🥺
magic river
Yeah but you're on the other side of the parking lot and bears don't eat that much
cosmic raft
I would go down to my grandparents basement, and there was some guy chasing me into a train down there
lol
lyric patio
:|
stiff yarrow
I had a recurring nightmare for a long time that my cat got outside and I never saw him again
lyric patio
I had a nightmare last night where I was in a fairly large parking lot (maybe wa...
w h a t
cosmic raft
:(
lyric patio
that is t o r t u re
spare venture
Thank you for your interest in exploring a career opportunity with the Dow Chemical Company.
We have decided to pursue other candidates that we believe are stronger matches for the position of 2020-2021 Campus Graduate - Chemical/Mechanical/Electrical/Civil/Industrial Engineer .```
Nothing like getting rejected 5.5 months after applying for a positionShould probably reject people when you decide to not interview them lol
stiff yarrow
sorry you don't have 20 years experience so we can't hire you for this entry level position
spare venture
Really wish companies had any form of courtesy in the job search
magic river
Wait where did party go and who is this barty person who stole their avatar?
ashen cliff
Graduate - Chemical/Mechanical/Electrical/Civil/Industrial Engineer
Bruh.
slim nymph
eh they prob were reserving it as a "maybe if noone better comes along", and someone better finally came along and positions now closed.
or someone just forgot to deny
magic river
Also do you guys have Cargill around there?
spare venture
yeah
stiff yarrow
much better
spare venture
yeah I know they probably were aikar, just a shitty way to treat people
stiff yarrow
Diablo 3 is legit a better game on console and that blows my mind
spare venture
they probably don't send rejections until the position has been filled and all interviews are over
stiff yarrow
the added bonuses for kills and breaking stuff
slim nymph
doesnt pc have that too
stiff yarrow
no?
mental meadow
it does
stiff yarrow
not unless they ported it
cosmic raft
urgh
magic river
Diablo 3 on consoles also doesn't run the game as a client to a server with 1 person on it
cosmic raft
this song keeps getting stuck in my head
mental meadow
and it had since release lol
stiff yarrow
magic river
So it's a little snappier and works offline
stiff yarrow
definitely not
stiff yarrow
I have a lot of hours on D3 on PC
slim nymph
are you playing diablo now nossr lol
stiff yarrow
they didn't have destruction bonuses or kill bonuses
slim nymph
lemme know if you send me any goods 😛
mental meadow
for destruction you got speed and for kill you got more exp
stiff yarrow
yeah but that wasn't originally on PC
hearing you say its on PC now, I can believe
but I played D3 at launch
mental meadow
me too and I'm pretty sure 😄
slim nymph
yeah i did too lol, but lot changed w/ expacs
stiff yarrow
yeah I can believe they added it with xpacs
spare venture
oh apparently my landlord showed my house to people yesterday
stiff yarrow
but it was def not in the game when I played it on PC aurora
spare venture
pretty sure it's completely trashed 
stiff yarrow
found proof
slim nymph
when i played recently i broke my tradition of mage and played barb, was fun
stiff yarrow
Originally, it was exclusive to the Reaper of Souls console version of the game, but as of patch 2.4, it was added to PC and Mac as well. It is available to all players, regardless of whether they have Reaper of Souls or not.
slim nymph
the season gear reward was actually a really OP meta set for barb too
mental meadow
i wanna hold a cat
stiff yarrow
my first char was mage
second was monk, then demon hunter
I've played all classes
slim nymph
i played demon back in launch
stiff yarrow
Oh I'm playing necro now, necro is new to me
mental meadow
I had monk first, and I think I played everything except for necro
slim nymph
my leap build with gold pickup = armor made me invincible
stiff yarrow
they've made so many improvements to D3 its kind of impressive
these events are neat
the map gen is better too
also legendaries are no longer ultra rare which I think is more fun
the last time I played D3 was before the 1st xpac
or maybe it was right after xpac 1
stiff yarrow
😊
stiff yarrow
Diablo 3 mechanically is the best diablo game by far
I hope they can bring back Diablo 1/2 atmosphere for 4
untold copper
One of the diablo was just garbage at launch
stiff yarrow
Diablo 3 was garbage at launch
I mean it wasn't awful but it was bad
and the real money auction house was dumb
untold copper
yeah probably that one, they then updated it tons
mental meadow
I loved it, played hours
magic river
They intentionally made the loot drops shit to promote the auction house
stiff yarrow
I've never ever been able to get into path of exile, mechanically just isn't fun to me, but Diablo 3 is addicting right away
slim nymph
well the auction house was from player loot lol
magic river
You never got something good for you, the only good stuff was for a different character so you'd have to trade
untold copper
I loved it, played hours
20 DAYS of playtime on fortnite lmao
spiral robin
ok
untold copper
almost 21 days
slim nymph
but they def need to change the mechanics for d4, and end the "just keep grinding higher torments", need to be something your working towards unlocking a difficult boss encounter that you cant do at lower torments to unlock new potentials
like guaranteed upgrades
stiff yarrow
honestly never got into torment grind
spare venture
how can you play fortnite that much snoopa
untold copper
how can you play fortnite that much snoopa
idfk XD
stiff yarrow
In WoW I was the kind of player always leveling alts
slim nymph
well to unlock some of the season perks you do have to grind up some
spare venture
21 days of playing the same game mode
stiff yarrow
I think I last played right when they introduced seasons
spare venture
doesnt get stale?
spare venture
lmao
untold copper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
spare venture
so fortnite kinda replaced minecraft as the 12 year old paradise
untold copper
nothing can replace minecraft
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph the new elite 2 they sent me has stiff buttons, literally using the normal controller instead
untold copper
(but if ur poor then perhaps)
spare venture
that's probably why i noticed less toxic 12 year olds on my server since fortnite released
slim nymph
lol nossr
untold copper
that's probably why i noticed less toxic 12 year olds on my server since fortnit...
XD
stiff yarrow
the stiff buttons is killing me inside
guess I'll have to send it in again or something
magic river
that's probably why i noticed less toxic 12 year olds on my server since fortnit...
I would have guessed it was because you turned 13 😄
dim shadow
guys so i just realized my vps host has a dedi i can afford. what do u guys think?
- xeon e3-1270
- 16gb
- 1tb hdd
for $60/mo plus $100 deposit
magic river
1270 could be like 6 different CPUs
stiff yarrow
you want a gamer cpu
magic river
The original was from 2011
stiff yarrow
xeon was fine back when MC was new and didn't run like poo
dim shadow
Intel Xeon E3-1270 processor (four physical 3.4ghz cores on QPI + hyperthreading + turbo->3.8ghz)
stiff yarrow
but if you're going to spend 60 a month get the best single threaded perf you can at that price point
dim shadow
i mean im looking to upgrade from a vps that can only do 10-15 players playably, and thats with variable viewdistance plugin
magic river
If they don't list a v2 or v5 or something after it then it's probably the one from 2011
dim shadow
most of their stuff is in europe, and i didnt see anything about ddos protection
dim shadow
apparently i get ddossed occasionally so im gonna need that
stiff yarrow
any dedi rental worth their salt has DDOS mitigation
dim shadow
oh ok lemme check out ovh us
stiff yarrow
go to OVH's US website
dim shadow
😮 nvme?! nice
stiff yarrow
to run an anime torrent seedbox?
ashen cliff
I was thinking of 2B, but that works too.
But we usually do that on Hetzners SB machines.
left swift
Same thing
ashen cliff
Deluge 64Gb of ram caching.
dim shadow
well im looking at their plans, i only see DDoS protection starting at the $101 plan
gleaming rivet
Hetzner has ddos protection on all machines
dim shadow
unless it's just not advertised for the others
magic river
All OVH plans have DDoS protection
dim shadow
hetzner is euro only
gleaming rivet
yeah?
dim shadow
All OVH plans have DDoS protection
im gonna have to confirm that but ty
magic river
They just don't let you control anything about it on the cheaper plans
stiff yarrow
pretty sure you get DDOS protection with all plans at all major dedi rental services
gleaming rivet
pretty sure you get DDOS protection with all plans at all major dedi rental serv...
This 
magic river
You do from OVH, Hetzner, and pnap at least
ashen cliff
Game servers also get Game DDoS protection.
dim shadow
Intel Xeon E3-1230v6 - 4 c / 8 t - 3.5 GHz / 3.9 GHz
how about this cpu? $69/mo at ovh
dim shadow
i mean i assume all threads go between 3.5 and 3.9?
stiff yarrow
all the TPS related operations are done in one thread for Minecraft
spare venture
I would have guessed it was because you turned 13 😄
that hurt
stiff yarrow
MC is almost entirely single threaded
spare venture
also i have been rejected from cargill twice 😦
dim shadow
single thread benchmark of 1992 at cpu-benchmarks.com
idk if thats standard or means anything to u guys
stiff yarrow
compare it to a midrange gamer cpu
dim shadow
how bout a ryzen 7? thats what i use at home
or should i compare it against another intel
stiff yarrow
what do we use instead of passmark since intel skews the scores these days
@dim shadow ideally you get a gamer cpu in your rental or one with good single thread perf, xeon is not about single thread perf for the most part unless you spend way too much
slim nymph
All OVH plans have DDoS protection
but ironically, just being on OVH increases your DDOS risk 20x fold 😛
stiff yarrow
magic river
e3-1230v6 is going to be like an i5-7400 except it has hyperthreading so somewhere between that and an i7-7700K
dim shadow
woah lol my ryzen 7 has a single thread score of 2914... dafuq
slim nymph
people DDOS OVH IP ranges for fun
stiff yarrow
reminds me when Dota servers go down because a DDOS attack is happening to the datacenter they are at and not even to their servers
slim nymph
I bought a server from OVH and it got DDOS'd before I even used it
so no one had the IP lol
stiff yarrow
@dim shadow be careful with passmark scores, they are biased towards intel and can't be trusted anymore tbh
ashen cliff
people DDOS OVH IP ranges for fun
Or just nuking the switch.
dim shadow
people DDOS OVH IP ranges for fun
they should just like put their botnets together to cure cancer or something... i can understand bigger servers or popular servers (i mean ur popular lol) but why would anyone target a damn 0-5 player server
im on nfoservers its not even a popular host
slim nymph
Or just nuking the switch.
well id expect OVH wouldnt email you saying your server was attacked if it was actually another IP
dim shadow
i guess final question - xeon E3-1230v6 or xeon E-1720 (any variant)?
spare venture
most ddoses on ovh you'll only ever hear because they sent you an email
ashen cliff
well id expect OVH wouldnt email you saying your server was attacked if it was a...
Perhaps, but if your server was effected, they kind of have to.
spare venture
i used to get that email every single day for months and never noticed a difference
untold copper
what in the world...
stiff yarrow
i guess final question - xeon E3-1230v6 or xeon E-1720 (any variant)?
still gonna advocate for avoiding xeon if possible
tropic kite
i don't think this is a paper specific issue but you guys probably know a ton more about the game than me so i might as well ask anyway
keep getting the can't keep up error
Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 5004ms or 100 ticks behind
even on a fresh server with a new world and no plugins
untold copper
.optimize
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
dim shadow
still gonna advocate for avoiding xeon if possible
those are the two plans im looking at (cheapest ovh vs cheapest nfoservers), the only two within my price range and in america, and both have xeons LOL
tropic kite
running the top pebblehost plan
dim shadow
so i looked both cpus up... singlethread score 1917 vs 1992
magic river
If it's a fresh world, no plugins, and no players then the top pebblehost plan is worse than a raspberry pi
stiff yarrow
Can't keep up isn't an error
dim shadow
running the top pebblehost plan
good idea lemme look at their cheapest plan
stiff yarrow
those are the two plans im looking at (cheapest ovh vs cheapest nfoservers), the...
I mean if you want a banger dedi open up your server to donos and pay for it with that, or colocate your own equipment
magic river
Yes look at the cheapest plan on a host where the top plan can't run an empty server
tropic kite
9900k/8gb 2666 on a high speed ssd
i would think it should be able to start an empty server
lmao
dim shadow
I mean if you want a banger dedi open up your server to donos and pay for it wit...
i do have donors lol thats why im looking for cheap plan
problem is i dont have that many players so if i go like triple my current budget and then the server doesnt grow, i just lose a bunch of donor money
stiff yarrow
back in 2012-2013 I was able to pay for 170USD monthly dedi purely from donos, I just told them to donate or I don't renew the server and I always met the goal, I also had a ticker on a website that tracked donos so they knew where we were
dim shadow
so it'd be a gamble on other peoples money is how i see it
stiff yarrow
my player pop was about 20~ concurrent
tropic kite
are there any good hosts that are as simple to use as pebblehost? i don't want to go the full mile and set up a linux environment on an ovh server or whatever
but i need it playable lol
dim shadow
i never had a problem with donors, i got loyal players, i just dont have enough players to warrant some killer machine at killer price
stiff yarrow
I mean whats your current setup
compare the dedis you are looking at to it
single thread perf wise
dim shadow
hmm cheapest at pebblehost is a i7-4790K for the same price i was looking at earlier
is that better than xeon e or xeon e3?
magic river
worse
stiff yarrow
I don't have xeon model perf memorized so you'd have to pull it up on google
dim shadow
;-;
magic river
The e3-1230v6 is about 3 generations better than that
magic river
Only 1 or 2 of those generations had any significant improvements but still
visual egret
ive thought of changing the server brand to be colourful and now i cant stop thinking about it
dim shadow
"dedicated plan" at pebblehost means unmanaged right? like i get ssh n shit?
stiff yarrow
I don't know but typically dedicated means you're the only one on the machine
dim shadow
"i dont want a panel / i dont want a panel installed"
that's gotta mean unmanaged
YES ITS UNMANAGED
w00t
big thanks to whoever mentioned pebblehost first
stiff yarrow
I'm not familiar with the buzzwords in the industry, I have only ever rented machines that were just me on them
dim shadow
this is only like double my current budget but my current vps has a potato score instead of a benchmark score
stiff yarrow
VPS is basically a crapshoot
wraith trail
I might be missing something but why buy from pebble host if you don't want a managed machine?
dim shadow
cmon they aint that bad, vps is a poor man's dedi
wraith trail
Like the 4790k you mentioned sounds like resoled sys game-1
spare venture
vps is not a poor man's dedi
dim shadow
i can even get centos 7 here so no learning curve i already have centos 7
spare venture
i would rather have a good shared host than a vps
dim shadow
i just gotta find out where in canada they are... im trying to stay in the same geographic zone
if its west coast then its gucci
spare venture
it's from pebblehost?
twin lagoon
centos 
spare venture
don't they... suck
stiff yarrow
maybe go with a diff dedi company
peak dirge
centos is dead
spare venture
why would you buy a dedi from a reseller
dim shadow
but they have an i7 everyone else got xeons ;-;
spare venture
link
dim shadow
no im shopping for dedi
tropic kite
to pebble's credit
spare venture
what is wrong with you lol
dim shadow
bottom shelf dedi
magic river
Aren't they just selling these? https://www.soyoustart.com/us/game-servers/
tropic kite
their website is super user friendly when it works and their support team is very responsive
peak dirge
@dim shadow https://www.soyoustart.com/us/game-servers/
tropic kite
bruh
dim shadow
oh so thats why yall said reseller
ashen cliff
SoYouStart
giving OVH money.
peak dirge
"Game 01" is a So you Start (brand of OVH) server being resold at a markup
spare venture
SYS redid their webpage nice
stiff yarrow
kind of a genius business model to just resell another companies merch
dim shadow
i dont see pebble's i7 plan on soyoustart
dim shadow
those are managed servers tho
stiff yarrow
managed?
dim shadow
im looking for unmanaged, go in essential dedi tab
ashen cliff
🚪
peak dirge
Those are unmanaged
dim shadow
ur looking at the game server tab
spare venture
buddy if you're going to act like you know a lot about this you shouldn't be talking to people who do
magic river
game server just means it has an i7 instead of a xeon
spare venture
buy pebblehost, get scammed
dim shadow
Those are unmanaged
you talkin about the ones under game server at soyoustart?
wraith trail
sys does not sell managed things
peak dirge
yes
spare venture
this man would not last in paper 1.0
wraith trail
the 4790k you were on about sounds exactly like a sys machine just resold
and if you aren't getting it managed, no point in paying extra.
stiff yarrow
also OVH support is likely to be better
peak dirge
To be fair, I also wouldn't have lasted long in Paper 1.0 if wiz's statements are anything to go off
warm anchor
To be fair, I also wouldn't have lasted long in Paper 1.0 if wiz's statements ar...
Lol
It was a special place
spare venture
it was like a fighting pit
peak dirge
No, I lived, but yeah.
ashen cliff
Good old days.
stiff yarrow
I actually participated a lot less in paper 1.0 because of the meanie heads
spare venture
anyway, if you want to waste your money, go for it man
magic river
wraith trail
Like the 4790k you mentioned sounds like resoled sys game-1
yeah it actually is. exact same machine.
spare venture
i think it was fine until wiz became mod
ashen cliff
At least he only kicked me once.
stiff yarrow
i think it was fine until wiz became mod
luckily I was dealing with IRL trauma so I missed that era
wide chasm
But that was the best era, so much popcorn
warm anchor
Yes there is literal daily drama lol
stiff yarrow
imagine being so toxic you have dedicated trolls for you personally
tropic kite
well this is already more exciting than the typical safe no drama minecraft related servers i've set foot in
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tropic kite
might stick around
dim shadow
hmmm then whats the diff between essential dedicated and game servers?
tropic kite
lmao
dim shadow
at nfo game servers means their managed plans
meager tusk
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@meager tusk 
spare venture
someone said they had PTSD from people saying the word simp, and it got out of control with people trolling that person, all i wanted to do was call simple by his name, simp
twin lagoon
nearly got banned for saying simp
well if you just don't say things that might for some reason disrespect some person
ez fix
meager tusk
<@!589898090174218243> <:peepo:795389767881719808>
stiff yarrow
@dim shadow all that matters is the hardware, just look over it
spare venture
i was calling simple by his name lol
twin lagoon
rip!
tropic kite
where's the fun in that tho
meager tusk
sucks to suck
dim shadow
holy crap soyoustart has a plan for $42?
meager tusk
dim shadow
dafuq
twin lagoon
all SYS servers are garbo
dim shadow
bruh why isnt pebble reselling that one
meager tusk
twin lagoon
because it's old outdated unreliable hardware & networking
dim shadow
all SYS servers are garbo
would you say its an upgrade from a vps tho?
spare venture
how can you have ptsd from the word simp
tropic kite
ask twitch mods
dim shadow
sys has 4790K and 6700K to choose from
dim shadow
16 to 64gb so i can upgrade later... yeah im probably gonna give these guys a shot next
unkempt drift
did PartyMC rebrand to bready?
warm anchor
@spare venture did they really kick you off or you just left
stiff yarrow
did PartyMC rebrand to bready?
...yes, that is exactly what happened
warm anchor
It was popcorn lol
dim shadow
im looking at sys reviews, most complaints are about support
spare venture
i left, simple might've gotten banned
he said some pretty harsh criticisms of their admin
warm anchor
Imagine being banned coz your name contain simp
spare venture
i just don't know why that snowflake couldn't just /ignore me so i could continue using a normal freaking word
austere ivy
warm anchor
he said some pretty harsh criticisms of their admin
Admin should be able to take it though being too hash or not. It’s their job to deesculate
austere ivy
there we go
spare venture
eh i would've just banned simple immediately lol
warm anchor
Lmao
stiff yarrow
so lost in this convo now
spare venture
i've put up with too much shit over the years
nossr: we went on OR to check it out, i said 'simp, wanna start a realm with me'? then someone said 'please don't say that word it triggers my ptsd' so I said 'what, simp?'
and it escalated from there because people trolled the fuck out of her
stiff yarrow
I don't even know what OR is
warm anchor
Simp being a short for simple
spare venture
originrealms
warm anchor
Not even simp as people use in twitch
wraith trail
im looking at sys reviews, most complaints are about support
it will be an upgrade from a vps, but sys machines are garbage
spare venture
it's a really cool server apparently partially ran by a twitch mod
dim shadow
if ppl dont like being simps then they should stop simpin instead of hatin on other simps or people with the name simp
spare venture
yes
dim shadow
it will be an upgrade from a vps, but sys machines are garbage
cant seem to beat that $40 tag... guess im going in knowing im getting what i pay for lol
spare venture
she claimed it was triggering her PTSD, so she hopped on the OR discord and @'d an admin to come deal with me
warm anchor
Lol
spare venture
man if she were on my server i would've just banned her
warm anchor
spare venture
it adds up michael! i'll show you!
wraith trail
cant seem to beat that $40 tag... guess im going in knowing im getting what i pa...
I mean at that price (in NA) there isn't much better, but you would get a lot more for each dollar out of an infra2 or it's pnap equivalent
spare venture
besides, OR is popular because it's really cool, one admin being a complete bonehead won't kill it
be glad her dumb decisions don't really have an impact
magic river
SYS is machines too old for OVH to keep selling them on their main brand so as long as they can get more money than they cost in rack space and electricity they put them on there
spare venture
SYS i7-4790k isnt that bad but it's aging
dim shadow
i know, im just looking for a step up from vps right now and upgrade to something better later if server grows with more players & donors
spare venture
.g i7-4790k release date
limber knotBOT
spare venture
2014
magic river
It's not any newer if you buy the same server from pebblehost 😛
spare venture
oh im just saying don't expect all problems to be solved
void void
hey guys how do i give the painting alban?
spare venture
definitely don't buy a fucking dedi from a reseller that offers no advantage over buying directly
magic river
SYS might have some issues getting started if you get a junk machine but after that I wouldn't expect too many problems
spare venture
do paintings have that stored? i thought they were completely random
warm anchor
/minecraft:give @void void if you have essex
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they are, bready
twin lagoon
proxi 😔
void void
no i mean how do i specifically give the ID for alban?
spare venture
yeah potions store that data
void void
how do i summon?
spare venture
whats that website to performance/speed analyze your webpages
minor badge
lighthouse or whatever?
spare venture
ty
minor badge
michale 
spare venture
wonder if making my website a little nicer improved the rating at all
hell yeah up from 54 to 60
minor badge
stop slacking and get me 100
wraith trail
how do i summon?
something like /summon painting x x x {Facing:0,Motive:Alban}
vernal moth
I spend way too much time at work to work on core web vitals and light house, lol
spare venture
yeah it's the next-gen format crap that is holding me back
i have way too many images on my pages for me to give a shit about that
vernal moth
heh
I handle that server side
whenever an image is requested, I look if I have a webp cached and then serve that instead
spare venture
actually
spare venture
the main images in my header would probably be best served that way
vernal moth
work website
spare venture
dont some browsers just not support webp
vernal moth
I also do lazy loading, so that same image service also generate tiny thumbnails to serve before the big image is served
spare venture
so i have to serve it based on browser type
spare venture
sounds too complicated
vernal moth
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,image/apng,/;q=0.8,application/signed-exchange;v=b3;q=0.9
spare venture
looks like a virus to me
vernal moth
believe me, I spend way too much time on all this shit
I also listen to Accept-Encoding and use brotli if possible
and like, just because light house is happy, doesnt mean google will be happy
magic river
oops
vernal moth
such a rating would cost my company actual money
unkempt drift
what's hangar got currently?
formal turret
what website gives you those results?
vernal moth
not good ^^
@formal turret best wayis this https://developers.google.com/web/tools/lighthouse#devtools
spare venture
what quality do you set your webp to
vernal moth
60 I think?
magic river
Our website is just a "here are our services, contact us" thing
formal turret
oh ok, it's built into chrome
twin lagoon
can also use Cloudflare Polish for webp
vernal moth
hangar got a horrible LCP https://i.imgur.com/GbhlH3s.png
magic river
We don't sell anything through it, it's just so we have a presence online
spare venture
damn 442kb to 14kb
vernal moth
mostly caused by images I guess
spare venture
60% is pretty low
vernal moth
I just turned off my laptop so cant look up
its a env var so am not sure
but we basically made it as low as possible before I noticed any artifacts when zooming in
spare venture
this 441kb image is 14kb at 60 and 15.9kb at 70
gonna stick to 75
shouldnt i just use a fallback image instead of doing what you did mini
vernal moth
but yeah, you can sink insane amounts of time into optimizing core web vitals
spare venture
yeah im just optimizing three images
vernal moth
well, we dont use image tags, we use picture tags, cause we serve difference images per breakpoint
to lower the resolution, but sometimes also change the resolution
and then we use lozad.js
spare venture
<picture>
<source srcset="img/fastimage.webp" type="image/webp">
<source srcset="img/slowimage.png" type="image/png">
<img src="img/slowimage.png">
</picture>
?
ashen cliff
warm anchor
Nice
limpid comet
Who doth ping me at this hour
zealous wedge
@limpid comet hi
limpid comet
@zealous wedge hi
void void
last stupid question for a while
if i replace the 1x1 painting with an image larger than 1x1
does it still make it only 1x1?
i would say yes
spare venture
why u replacing paintings
yes, the sizes are hardcoded
if you want custom paintings just use maps
void void
yeah peopel who play tho aren't really teh command line type i suppose
trying to keep it as vanilla as possible
only want to place a couple anyway
i might switch it out though
spare venture
up to you
void void
yahh someone told me abotu the plugin ystd
spare venture
yes that was me
spare venture
no
limber knotBOT
when they are used, yes
unreal quarry
thats a cool tool
void void
right but if they're just hanging out it's fine
limber knotBOT
If they are not, only marginally
void void
good bot
limber knotBOT
dumcordian
worn ember
Dum bot ;)
void void
how many players do you think a i-5 6500T could support?
void void
you think 5-6?
limber knotBOT
5-6500
spare venture
lol
limber knotBOT
I use 88 plugins on 2GB of ram
spare venture
consequently no one plays robos server
formal turret
impressive
limber knotBOT
numbers don't matter
void void
is there a way i could get an estimate on it?
spare venture
nice
limber knotBOT
bready I need u 2 help me change dat for my meme serbur
void void
nice
limber knotBOT
It depends on what you are doing
limber knotBOT
depends on what players build
void void
ahh gotcha
limber knotBOT
villagers, hoppers, redstone, etc. etc. etc.
so you never know for sure what you can handle
void void
damn
limber knotBOT
my players don't even care if the server goes to 9tps
You can get 220 players when the players are in a small space, but only 100 players if they are spread out
so, neither do I
limber knotBOT
so it also depends on the players themselves
void void
i'd liek to have 6-8 though
magic river
Checkout the lighthouse stats on https://minwiz.com/
limber knotBOT
they really only care when they die "due to lag"
spare venture
robo my server launches tomorrow
limber knotBOT
merge with me
spare venture
no
limber knotBOT
I have memes
spare venture
you bring nothing to the table
void void
=p
void void
ah
limber knotBOT
I have a feeling it is
spare venture
converting three images to webp made my score go from 60 to 76
limber knotBOT
if so, then nvm
vernal moth
void void
i haven't webp'd yet
magic river
I guess they don't like the green for links?
void void
i hear its pretty incredible tho
magic river
Otherwise it's black on white, too much contrast imo
void void
that'sa. pretty cool effect
spare venture
i wish i knew what this meant
formal turret
cdn based CSS and JS files?