yeah they're giving away a kekload of shit atm
#general
potent fossil
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proxi 
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potent fossil
im super tired and was about to go to bed but i got a notification that a seller rejected my refund out of nowhere because they misunderstood my fucking DM
coarse lily
Oof
solid siren
is paper better than yatopia?
potent fossil
is that a real question?
spare venture
Does a bear shit in the woods
solid siren
just new in minecraft server
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M-CRfOp8Tw this took weeks for them to fix, so draw your own conclusions
magic river
Huh, apparently Apple actually is trying out making their own GPU even for the Mac Pro
potent fossil
Stop using Yatopia and switch it for Paper with Aikar's flags. If you have a lot of players, use Tuinity
solid siren
i only have average 30 players
potent fossil
use paper
spare venture
Hardware could also be an issue, or optimizing server, etc
solid siren
im using a hosting server
spare venture
That narrows it down
coarse lily
Huh, apparently Apple actually is trying out making their own GPU even for the M...
Where are you reading that? I take all Apple rumors with a massive grain of salt.
solid siren
That narrows it down
do i need to remove some yml when switching to paper?
magic river
They're supposedly working on a 128 core version of the same GPU that's in the M1 which if it scaled smoothly would end up having 41.6 Tflops. If that's FP32 that would make it twice the performance of NVIDIA's Ampere A100
coarse lily
But it wouldn't surprise me. If they're doing burly Apple Silicon for Mac Pros and they want to speed up the pipeline it'd make sense to have their own GPU.
fallen wren
I hear Apple is creating another adapter
coarse lily
128 cores would be nice.
magic river
Twice the perf would be a good goal if they don't plan to release it until 2022 or 2023
coarse lily
But where's the info coming from?
Yeah I'm thinking 2022 before we see an Apple Silicon Mac Pro.
magic river
coarse lily
Yeah I guess time will tell.
Although I don't put a lot of stock in Mark Gurman's stories usually.
And Bloomberg especially has waning credibility.
magic river
Mac Pro with 8 or 16 big cores from the M1, 64 or 128 cores of M1 GPU, and fat stacks of HBM2 would be a hell of a machine
And would be an appliance you can't upgrade
coarse lily
Already can't upgrade CPUs or RAM on a bunch of Macs as it is.
If wonder if it'll be an M2 or M3X or what. Based on the iPhone/iPad CPU naming schemes.
warm anchor
And would be an appliance you can't upgrade
Apple wants you to get new hardware every X year though so I don’t think that will be too much of an issue
mighty storm
Powerful computers last a while
Have a late 2013 iMac that's still very capable and powerful
Late 2014* I'm not exactly sure
Got it used too
Phone wise; my iPhone 5s is slow as shit
And it's from the same year! I think
warm anchor
Yo you need an upgrade
coarse lily
I have a 2012 Mini that's pretty solid.
warm anchor
Any new one even a 11 will be like a huge boost
mighty storm
I mean I went from 5s to 8 to 12 mini
warm anchor
Ohhh
mighty storm
I just have a 5s still :p
warm anchor
How you like the mini
mighty storm
It's quite similar in size to the 8, I like it
warm anchor
I have 11 pro max rn but I do miss one hand typing
warm anchor
Yeah. I don’t carry it much in packet so wasn’t much of an issue
Just thinking my options
mighty storm
With my iPad mini (1) and iPhone 5s I can finally play all versions of pocket edition
coarse lily
Yeah I don't like the Maxes.
Too big for me.
I have a 12 Pro and I kinda wish I got the mini.
mighty storm
My family got 12s so I can compare, they are quite big, but they work for them since they're older anyway
I didn't realize how annoying Face ID was with a mask
warm anchor
Very annoying lol
mighty storm
I have to literally pog to get the mask down far enough for it to recognize me
warm anchor
Retina scan when 
no need to get a full face
cosmic raft
I'd like to get an iPhone one day to replace my broken (minor) OnePlus
It broke like 1 month or so after I got it -.-
zealous wedge
oh oof
mighty storm
8 to 12 was a massive upgrade tho, 4042/8400 to 6655/17022 Geekbench 4 wise
golden gust
Pc hardware really hasn't gotten much faster over the past few years
golden gust
Mobiles on the other hand see much larger relative performance bumps
zealous wedge
yeah, like i was on hardware from 2012 up until like last year
warm anchor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/683102049638154260/JPE...
Ouch
zealous wedge
well, 2019 last year
and there has been a decent improvement for games, but most normal tasks were just fine
golden gust
Like, biggest recent hardware perf bump was from AMD
warm anchor
Mobiles on the other hand see much larger relative performance bumps
Apple took the risk and it’s starting to pay off on their chips
cosmic raft
Right where the button is
zealous wedge
i guess you weren't able to take it in for repair?
golden gust
And, that wasn't a revolutionary change
warm anchor
Intel is just milking their same old processor lol for decades now
golden gust
That was and finally fixing a massive architecture limitation in their chip
mighty storm
When did proxi downgrade to an anime pfp
mighty storm
Speaking of which need a new Rory pfp
mighty storm
Isn't that the movie with the blue people
I suppose there are no profiles
Hmmm
one day
They already ask us for our birthdays like cmon
untold copper
Yeah I may or may not have lied on that one
mighty storm
Speaking of which, someone told me their age was 14, but they joined discord in 2017
limber knotBOT
i've used anime avis for years at this point; i just change them out to be some animated drawing every so often
mighty storm
The proxi with the default icon
warm anchor
Proxi got good taste 
limber knotBOT
:cutePepeWave:
untold copper
default icon best
mighty storm
Sad how some irc clients have more features than discord
golden gust
The trick to having a constant level of respect for proxi is to have 0 respect for proxi
warm anchor
Lol
mighty storm
Respect 100
untold copper
I see what you did there
limber knotBOT
I shall not share my persimmons with you then, Cat
mighty storm
Permissions? The luckperms thing?
mighty storm
Man this credit card bill due date coming in fast
Oh shit it's due when classes are due so it's actually nothing compared to that lol
mighty storm
Commit sudoku? I play it the time
And you better believe I've given up on life a long time ago
I exist to spite myself
untold copper
.g Which is the country with the highest credit card debt in the world?
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://shiftprocessing.com/credit-card-debt/
untold copper
hm
golden gust
It's a "dumb weeb" joke, seppuki, or something like that
mighty storm
Depends on how you define debt
Am I technically in debt even though I haven't missed a due date
It's just not due yet?
golden gust
The thing is that if you have a mortgage, you're in debt
untold copper
No i was just wondering
limber knotBOT
I don't even have a credit card
untold copper
mhm same
mighty storm
Mortgage? Isn't that what you do in monopoly when you owe too much rent to someone
untold copper
I deal only in cold, hard cash
mighty storm
Aren't you too young to get a credit card snoopa
limber knotBOT
you're like 12
mighty storm
👀
mighty storm
I beg your unban?
golden gust
Reminds me of when you're young snd sign up to websites
untold copper
having a credit card would be cool i guess
golden gust
So, you add like 10 years into your age
limber knotBOT
issue a chewidential pardon!
novel horizon
Having a credit card is not that cool
mighty storm
or be lucky and have it start at 1900 so just select that
novel horizon
and also credit card is not a good thing mostly, you should be careful with these anyway
golden gust
Hey, chew
untold copper
and also credit card is not a good thing mostly, you should be careful with thes...
hm ok
mighty storm
Credit card is pog I love not spending my money, then suddenly, boom, I owe them back 😞
limber knotBOT
Hm?
limber knotBOT
Oh what's other chew doing here
hm
hi Chew
I guess CCs are cool if you need to buy something on the expensive side? TVs and the likes?
Bless you
i've gotten a few hundred in groceries because of credit card points too
mighty storm
Idk about other countries but credit cards are pog we get cash back and all that
golden gust
Yea, their biggest advantage is the whole paybit back later, as well as the rewards
mighty storm
don't get why they're so bad, it's basically a safety net if it gets stolen, they're not spending your money and it's easier to deal with
limber knotBOT
plus here you need a credit card to be able to do online shopping
mighty storm
- cash back and all that
limber knotBOT
for the most prat
golden gust
People misuse them
limber knotBOT
you just use a debit card for that here
golden gust
Spend what they don't got
mighty storm
Cash back isn't beneficial if you ever miss a payment and start paying interest (which is a LOT more than what you get back)
golden gust
Fall into cases where they can't pay it back, etc
limber knotBOT
some of our banks give out cards that are visa debit, but most debit cards here are a canadian network that has very limited online support
spiral robin
p2 money vibes 
limber knotBOT
at least we have interac e-transfer
mighty storm
That being said I technically use a debit card for everything online because Privacy
And in person is just Apple Pay
limber knotBOT
Isn't that the point of credit cards, though? Like, pay on credit, pay back with interest over a period of time?
golden gust
Yea, debit cards are the norm here too
mighty storm
If you want, but you don't have to
limber knotBOT
not anymore really
heady spear
aren't you like supposed to pay everything with credit in the US to increase your credit score
warm anchor
Certain card offers good benefit
mighty storm
I don't get the point of debit cards, may as well just hold off spending your money for a while so long as you actually pay it back
heady spear
or some dumb shit like that?
limber knotBOT
credit cards were more important in an era before electronic payments
mighty storm
Yeah
limber knotBOT
I see. I'd always just imagined it as pay $1000 upfront with CC, pay CC company $300/mo for like 4-6 months
heady spear
proxi we have klarna for that here 😛
limber knotBOT
since then vendors trusted the credit card company to pay them, rather than trusting you personally to have cheques that clear
indeed
Klarna is cool but kinda unsupported in Norway
I guess it's better in Sweden?
warm anchor
US use credit score to gage ones risk
heady spear
yes, you can use it almost everywhere
warm anchor
So yes having credit in US is necessary
limber knotBOT
epic
heady spear
klarna + qliro can be used at most online shops
and now some physical stores accept klarna as well
using the app I think
- there's the klarna credit card as well
limber knotBOT
Probably going to use that whenever I decide to buy a TV or something
golden gust
Having credit is important in the uk too, but, I've never had an issue with credit, even coming from a council family
heady spear
when I turned 18 I bought everything on credit
and I am still paying that shit off lmao
mighty storm
What kinda TV puts you in debt I can get a decent tv for my room for like $200
And i might but don't need to
limber knotBOT
A decent TV :p I'd rather pay back a little extra with smaller payments than an upfront $1.5k
mighty storm
More focused on making Rory happy first
limber knotBOT
Norway really has that tax impact, it seems. 55" 4K smart TV for $600-ish in Sweden 👀
heady spear
that's how I bought my camera prox prox
Sweden has 25% VAT on electronics
but ye I felt like I'd rather buy it on credit and get something more expensive than I could afford at the time because it was a better investment, and I don't regret it
limber knotBOT
yeah, we have 25% VAT too, but there's import tax on top of that again
mighty storm
Valve anti tax?
limber knotBOT
Value-added tax
mighty storm
I was close but holy shit I thought ours was bad
limber knotBOT
"oh this is worth a lot! let's make it even MORE expensive"
warm anchor
That’s a lot
heady spear
non-progressive taxes are awful for wealth distribution
mighty storm
No wonder y'all don't have rich people
warm anchor
Lol
heady spear
they become a bigger burden for low income households
limber knotBOT
It's fairly okay with the free market in the EU, tbh
mighty storm
Free market? Thought y'all just complaining about unnecessary tax
When did it become free
heady spear
25% on a $1k item is a lot more for a low income household than it is a for a high income household
limber knotBOT
*Am not from low income household, so don't really know the burden
heady spear
I am from a low income household and we've struggled with money for... forever.
mighty storm
I'd say something philosophical and epic and say "why not make the tax based on your income" but then rich people would just pay poor people to buy things for them
heady spear
VAT is fucking awful
novel horizon
lol
heady spear
anyway our taxes are fun
mighty storm
Texas 🇨🇱
heady spear
So companies have it fun. They pay taxes and then they pay employment fees and then you pay income taxes on the income where 25% have already been taken in fees :'')
mighty storm
Can finally close issues on GitHub mobile now as triage
heady spear
if an employer pays you $10k then you get ~$5k in the end
mighty storm
Damn it's barely nothing for me
limber knotBOT
Depending on the company; some companies (e.g. mine :D) pay the employer fee in addition to salary
mighty storm
Like 1.9% medicate 5.6% boomer tax + federal withholding if you earn a lot
You have a company? Damn
U hiring?
limber knotBOT
The one I work for, dumbo
heady spear
the employer always pays the employer fees, you never see that
it's just that your salary is a lot more expensive to the company
limber knotBOT
Huh, that's not always done in Norway, sadly
heady spear
for most people it's 28% that they have to pay on top of what you actually get
limber knotBOT
Some deduct it from salary (i.e. you implicitly pay for it tbh)
heady spear
and then you pay ~33% taxes on what you receive
mighty storm
How'd I do last week
heady spear
so like for normal employees it's not noticeable
buuuut if you run your own company
then you end up paying 50% taxes
:))))
limber knotBOT
enjoy the fun, city
golden gust
I come from a breadline family, went to uni and now I'm ill, but also do freelance as much as I can, etc
heady spear
I need to pay fucking parenthood insurance fees
I'm not planning on getting pregnant.
golden gust
Due to my health, I'd likely be better off being on social, but, I don't wanna be a social bum
merry talon
if you ever accrue interest on your CC without being in an emergency you're fundamentally using it wrong
limber knotBOT
You could try looking around a little, Cat; where I come from in Norway, there's a state-owned company that is essentially social except it also makes you do work
mighty storm
We have that sorta but you can earn sub minimum wage
heady spear
^we have samhall here
my sister used to be a team leader there. they have you do meaningful work but within your capacity
though sadly a lot of people abuse that to get paid while staying home drinking .-.
My dad was put into a programme by them before he died though. Man could barely walk and they wanted him to be a cleaner.
limber knotBOT
We have nothing big in Norway, but right where I was, there was Uni-k. It was mostly aimed towards people with disabilities such as autism, but elderly and otherwise in need of social were allowed to work there
mental meadow
I come from a breadline family, went to uni and now I'm ill, but also do freelan...
Same
I try to get by with freelancing and contract work, mostly works out for me, even though it sucks for my health
warm anchor
though sadly a lot of people abuse that to get paid while staying home drinking ...
A little off topic but how would one fix abuse issue like this? It’s a pretty heated topic in US as many think that welfare is free money to the lazy. (Asking for your personal opinions)
mighty storm
Sorry Rory is snoring gotta go pet her
heady spear
In Sweden you have to prove that you actually need the transfer payments and a lot of people end up losing their transfers
limber knotBOT
City is henceforth the Prime Minister of PaperMC, thanks
heady spear
It's far from a perfect system though
limber knotBOT
yeah, i don't think the government can really effectively prove abuse at scale
like the unemployment system here has me in limbo because the people who run it have no understanding of gig work, or having a combination of employment and self-employment income
mental meadow
Thing is if you have to prove it some people will inevitably fall through that and lose their benefits even tho they should have them
heady spear
It's problematic because people that really do need to be on social are declined. I partly blame the social services for my dad dying.
warm anchor
Yeah I doubt anyone can come up with a fair system that’s also hard to abuse. People always find ways and government body tend to move slowly.
golden gust
i know my mothers issue was that she had 0 degrees and basically, because of that, there was no incentive for her to go out and get a job
heady spear
He asked for help when he was too sick to stand up most days and they wanted him to go back to work. He couldn't, so he lost all money
golden gust
Like, having children in the house also protected her against stuff like paying the water bill, etc
warm anchor
It's problematic because people that really do need to be on social are declined...
Holy shit I am sorry to hear that. But that’s same thing in US a lot of homeless shelters require you to be sober... so naturally many people choice to keep their drinks
golden gust
I think she got more or similar to what she'd get working on social, so, having to pull her finger out her arse, etc
heady spear
Meanwhile my mom is one of those lazy people that should really be out working
golden gust
Part of the thing is that many of these services are strained, and it pisses me off
heady spear
but she gets enough money that she's able to pay her rent and gamble all day long
shit's unfair.
golden gust
you hear stories about people who died because they failed some interview
heady spear
so naturally many people choice to keep their drinks
It's far from a choice
mental meadow
UBI when
heady spear
I come from a family of alcoholics. They'd stop if they could. They just... can't.
golden gust
My mate has a chronic immune condition which affects her skin to the point where it's consistently blistering at any point where it would potentially get sweaty
heady spear
Sadly the help they need is often declined because they're in a position where they need the help
heady spear
shit's hella backwards
golden gust
She got rejected on one of her claims on the sole basis that she was able to, slowly, put her jacked on when leaving
Meanwhile, I know people on the dole for the sole reason that they just don't wanna work
mental meadow
Also getting help is really hard
limber knotBOT
We don't need UBI, though, EterNity
warm anchor
I come from a family of alcoholics. They'd stop if they could. They just... can'...
Sorry that’s my bad choice of word. I was just expressing the dire issue that some of our big cities are facing in the US
limber knotBOT
UBI would hardly help us
heady spear
also fun fact but Sweden has no minimal wages lel
because everything (including sex work!) has highly influential unions, they negotiate sane salaries
so there's no set minimum wage and that drives the wages up
limber knotBOT
Same applies to Norway ^^
heady spear
if there was a minimum wage then employers can just default to that, and they're often way too low
limber knotBOT
Well, we have some minimal wages for where there was a looot of social dumping, otherwise nada
warm anchor
Proximyst I am hardly economist but I will take free money lol
mental meadow
Ubi would definitely help me, getting better mental health is easier when you don't have to fear not being able to afford food and stuff
golden gust
Many of the countries which democratic people point to like, "look at the effort these contries are doing", are generally the contries which tried socialism, failed, and went back to capitalism of some degree while maintaining social programs
Issue with UBI is generally, where does the money come from
limber knotBOT
up here in the north we already have our "can't work? no worries!" solutions, which although abused, are fairly good
heady spear
Finland has been experimenting with UBI and it does seem to be beneficial
golden gust
Like, I support the concept, but, are we sure that we're not just trying to stab ourselves with a double edged sword
mental meadow
Idk tax Amazon for example lol
golden gust
e.g. will UBI not cause other aspects to rise?
warm anchor
How heavy are their tax? Or they just prints more money
limber knotBOT
I'd go more into what I think of it, but wrong channel :p
heady spear
Finland ran a two-year universal basic income study in 2017 and 2018, during which the government gave 2000 unemployed people aged between 25 and 58 monthly payments with no strings attached.
:'')
limber knotBOT
Finland has tax pretty close to ours I think?
golden gust
Well, yea, we defo need to close the tax holes
warm anchor
I wanna know more economy expect of the issue hopefully don’t turn too political lol
heady spear
The idea is that since everyone makes enough to live comfortably then a higher tax burden won't be as damaging
So you can start increasing taxes at relatively low brackets and it won't affect people's ability to live their lives
golden gust
and, yea, the minimum wage thing is funny
mental meadow
How much taxes do you pay when going grocery shopping? Out of interest
golden gust
ReasonTV i think it was did an article on like cali or something where they added a $15 minimum wage
heady spear
25 per cent VAT is the general tax rate, which applies to most goods and services.
12 per cent VAT is charged on foodstuffs, hotels and artists' own sales of works of art, for example.
6 per cent VAT rate applies to newspapers, magazines, books, passenger transport (taxis, buses, flights and trains) in Sweden and concerts etc.
limber knotBOT
15% VAT in Norway, plus the ever so nice import tax. I've no idea in Norway
warm anchor
In US it varies by state. In mine it’s about 9%
limber knotBOT
no idea in Sweden*
merry talon
I can't see ubi happening in my lifetime
heady spear
we have 25, 12 and 6%
merry talon
incredibly optimistic
golden gust
apparently all of the car washes where basically priced out into either closing their doors, firing people and expecting more of less people, or just automating tf out of the place
limber knotBOT
i feel like ubi is our own possible way forward, but it'll also need a massive change in what the idea of work is
waxen panther
proximyst why r u up
limber knotBOT
25% for most things in Norway, 15% for food, 0% for hardback books and clothes online
mental meadow
Here it's 20% for most things and 10% for necessary stuff like water, food, tampons and stuff
limber knotBOT
since everyone will take a pay cut of whatever UBI is
golden gust
Over in the UK we just got rid of the period tax
warm anchor
Here it's 20% for most things and 10% for necessary stuff like water, food, tamp...
That’s gonna cause riot in US lol if we ever get like 20% food tax
mental meadow
Same here cat
limber knotBOT
and good on you for that, Cat :)
warm anchor
Actually come to think of it food isn’t taxed in my state only sugary drinks Pepsi coke etc
heady spear
I think the taxes in Sweden are fair. I just wish they would reduce the burden for entrepreneurs
because a lot of people can't afford it
golden gust
That's why we want minimal government
heady spear
I mean I pay bloody 50% on my contracting invoices lel
luckily I still make more than my sister that works full time as a nurse =))
golden gust
The way shits managed often just puts massive burden on people wanting to start up
Like, the minimum wage shit
mental meadow
I don't pay taxes on my income since I don't earn enough
golden gust
People often scream at companies who are against it screaming that if you can't afford the minimum wage, you shouldn't be employing people
heady spear
It's worth it for me though because I have my autoimmune shit and I am really fucking happy to not be going to an office
uni going remote has been so helpful for my physical health
some days I don't have the energy to get out of bed and now I've still been able to get everything done
golden gust
and that's a moronic argument, as it basically means that you're either gonna not be providing jobs to the community, OR, you gotta be rich af to be able to start a business if you need more than a 1 person team
There was some guy somewhere who got fined because his kitchen doors in his bakery opened outwards
heady spear
there's a huge barrier of entry when creating companies in the EU in general
golden gust
he fixed that
heady spear
VAT rules, invoicing regulations and all of that shit... it's too much
golden gust
he then got fined because some other inspector from some other industry regulator came in and fined him because his doors opened inwards
heady spear
Also VAT rules if you sell shit across borders are insanely complicated
I'm happy to be working for a British company rn because yall left the EU
golden gust
So, now he had to pay 2 fines, and now has 2 doors, one opening in, and one opening out, just to appease both sides
heady spear
I am now exporting services to a country outside of the EU and it's great 😛
golden gust
ur welcome an go fuk urself
limber knotBOT
City's enjoying Brexit
golden gust
brexit is weird af
limber knotBOT
How's that going for you, though, Cat?
warm anchor
I mean UK yeet’d itself out... runs
golden gust
I mean, I've not seen any changes
waxen panther
get me out of england
heady spear
you know what tho, I'm very surprised (and happy...) that the pound went back up again
limber knotBOT
I just pulled a Brenter :>
waxen panther
someone get me out
heady spear
I was really worried for a while there
merry talon
if you ease those restrictions on businesses generally it comes to bite working people in the ass though
heady spear
because I get paid in pounds
mental meadow
Come to me brocc :c
merry talon
which I'm much more sensitive about
mental meadow
uwu
golden gust
There are some morons who voted for brexit who are pissed off as now their jobs are on line due to all the paperwork, etc
heady spear
tho..
heady spear
warm anchor
Lol
heady spear
can you all go back to february?
limber knotBOT
That's... quite some currency
warm anchor
City has no chill
heady spear
I would have made so much more money back then .-.
mental meadow
I know that feeling city
spiral robin
cosmic raft
hi aber
spiral robin
hi
limber knotBOT
hello aber!
golden gust
be gon aber
spiral robin
wtf... 
waxen panther
aber 
spiral robin
brocco 
warm anchor
heady spear
this convo went downhill real quick
warm anchor
I mean when it hits britxit it’s the bottom
spiral robin
ur just jealous no one saying hi to u city
limber knotBOT
city ;w;
heady spear
is this news to anyone?
limber knotBOT
city ;w;
Stupid people decided to use whole units and 100ths in the same API with no documentation 😔
heady spear
._.
limber knotBOT
I don't like writing tests
untold copper
After much thinking and depression deliberation I have come up with 4 laws to survive in this world:
Snoopa's 4 laws of survival
1) Trust no one, and in some cases, not even yourself.
2) Crush others to achieve your goals.
3) Make no friends. They will only drag you down.
4) ALWAYS do what benefits you.
having friends is a good idea
especially slower friends
who else do you trip when there is a bear running towards you?
untold copper
especially those who you can take advantage of
limber knotBOT
remind me never to help snoopa
coarse lily
Those are bad rules.
untold copper
she didn't kill me
limber knotBOT
Ocelot will, no worries
untold copper
👀
untold copper
She was surprisingly cool with it
vernal moth
Haha
untold copper
what the frick do you mean "how" I wrote what was in the book stupid idiot
vernal moth
Imagine using a pen in 2021
untold copper
is it just me or she cut half a mark here because "She felt like it"
spiral robin
ok we have been enough of your school work now I think thx
untold copper
bio teachers are the worst
so are physics teachers
and maths and english and social studies
olive garden
waxen panther
giga .
visual egret
brocc what does this mean
coarse lily
brocc what kind of pizza are you going to get?
swift root
Tasty .
waxen panther
bbq base with all the meats
coarse lily
BBQ base?
swift root
Instead of tomato sauce
waxen panther
it's a thing at dominos, it's barely bbq but it's nice
coarse lily
Man you guys love dominos
coarse lily
Haha
visual egret
It’s the best pizza place in England change my mind
coarse lily
There's a bunch of really good places but they're a ~20min drive.
Especially with traffic/etc
visual egret
And lockdown until February
coarse lily
Sometimes it's worth the drive but sometimes not so much.
I haven't found a great place that delivers yet.
waxen panther
that's not hard oskar
its contenders are a place with out their leader and a restaurant known only for screaming children and breadsticks
coarse lily
I do like breadsticks.
golden gust
All we really have in the UK is the sorta like huge chains like domino's and takeaway pizza
Don't really know of many like smaller stores
(or any, for that matter, tbqh)
waxen panther
yeah, i know a few italian restaurants that also do pizza but it's not their focus or anything
and it's normally not very good and 3x the price of a dominos deal
and boy do i love deals
heady spear
in Sweden our only chain pizza place is pizza hut and it sucks .-.
waxen panther
pizza hut was my
restaurant known only for screaming children and breadsticks
golden gust
Dominos is expensive af, but, there is generally always some form of deal somewhere which makes it okayish for a treat once in a blue moon
waxen panther
without deal it's expensive
but there's always a deal on, for collections at least
lunchtimes you can get a medium for like £5
golden gust
When I lived with my mate, we just used to order like once every few months, we'd generally get our own but every once in a while we'd just get a few pizzas and split it up sorta thing
heady spear
now this is a true Swedish pizza if I've ever seen one
golden gust
wtf
waxen panther
no
heady spear
yes .
mental meadow
what is the white stuff
heady spear
döner kebab + french fries + "kebab sauce"
golden gust
I mean, I see people which literally dip their pizzas in mayo like an indian eating curry
I just, I can't
heady spear
curry, banana & ham :3
golden gust
But, am not a huge sauce fan given that I used to persistently smoother frozen chips in sauce to make it as close to tolerable as shit fries can be
heady spear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4JB1gpft8w our Eurovision qualifiers had a song about kebab pizza 😛
mental meadow
kebab meat on pizza is awesome tho
limber knotBOT
add shrimp and that'd be a tropicana, city!
mental meadow
now i want pizza smh
limber knotBOT
never tried, I just know my pizzas 😌
heady spear
proxi proxi i had a semla last night and it was very nice .
coarse lily
City what about smör
coarse lily
;)
heady spear
ppl who butter their sandwiches r gross
coarse lily
After just seeing those pizzas you posted I can conclude that you and I don’t have matching tastes.
Plus I like paper.
waxen panther
you like paper?
coarse lily
That’s not a sandwich.
Yeah brocc City said he hated Paper. He hates us.
I cried a bit.
worn ember
shitty food for shitty people
coarse lily
Well I thought about it.
waxen panther
thats rough 😔
limber knotBOT
k n ä c k e b r ö d
coarse lily
That looks like a cracker.
heady spear
the veggies are a big excessive
coarse lily
Swedish sandwiches are very odd.
waxen panther
i wouldnt call it a sandwich though
heady spear
I don't care what you'd call it
waxen panther
idk what the real definition of a sandwich is but for me it's a filling between two pieces of bread
heady spear
we only eat one piece at a time
limber knotBOT
ok add a crispbread on top
heady spear
because we're not greedy fucks
waxen panther
it was on top too, sure
coarse lily
Look I ain’t knocking Sweden. I totally wanna visit.
heady spear
you're not welcome
waxen panther
city is so mean today
heady spear
ok we have these too
limber knotBOT
That's a Nordic thing as a whole, for the record; Norway, Denmark, and Finland all do it
waxen panther
now that dos look extremely disgusting
coarse lily
I have another friend there I’ll go visit him.
heady spear
not the best
limber knotBOT
I really dislike crispbread ngl
waxen panther
hummus one sounds nice
limber knotBOT
surmjølk tror jag?
heady spear
ye it's fermented milk, kinda like watery yoghurt lol
limber knotBOT
can also be called kulturmjølk i guess
heady spear
crispbread is my favourite cereal 😛
also best bread .
also no one in sweden eats cereal with milk
people that do that shit are freaky as fuck
if you do that within our borders you're thrown into the baltic sea
golden gust
y'all are fucked up
limber knotBOT
cereal with water 😳
heady spear
you eat cereal with sour milk or yoghurt
golden gust
Please don't tell me that is a thing
heady spear
or kvarg
waxen panther
im messaging someone
heady spear
:3
golden gust
I mean, I kinda get yoghurt for some cereals
I mean, I guess maybe like, y'all don't have shit like wheatos?
Goood, I miss wheatos
Not they just taste like iron
heady spear
our cereal generally isn't sweet
mental meadow
dry is okay
limber knotBOT
and as snacks!
mental meadow
but not water
heady spear
so ig that's why it tastes like shit with milk
golden gust
I mean, all our shits generally sugar loaded
coarse lily
Alright I’m going to bed.
heady spear
ppl in Sweden eat a LOOOOT of yoghurt/fil/kvarg tho
golden gust
Saying that, we have shit like oats in milk
I mean, living with a paki I used to have yoghurt a lot too
Like, their curries
Holy fuck
heady spear
proxi we have like 0.1cm of snow here now lmao
golden gust
Nothing like leaving the bathroom feeling violated af
heady spear
my friend lives right next to the norwegian border and apparently they had a tonne of snow
limber knotBOT
please let me remind you that I am of the peoples who use every part of the animal tho, brocc
heady spear
im jealous
waxen panther
hmmmmm
limber knotBOT
reindeer testicle wallet anyone ? 😳
golden gust
Typical proxi
heady spear
proxi is also a vegetarian
waxen panther
i will accept cereal without milk
heady spear
so
golden gust
testicals everywhere
waxen panther
but never cereal with sour milk
waxen panther
disgusting
golden gust
WHICH ONE OF YOUS' DIDN'T FLUSH THE TOILET?!
heady spear
i hate you so much
waxen panther
love u 2
heady spear
not just coffee, the concept of fika
like sitting down with people having fikabröd and coffee
mental meadow
oh i actually know what that is 😮
heady spear
or saft :33
limber knotBOT
mm, we just call it going out ig
heady spear
well many workplaces have fika
heady spear
fika can also be like a sandwich and coffee
limber knotBOT
cordial (saft) is rarely served at cafes n shit though
heady spear
but like a lot of the times you go to a café
but you can also go to someone for fika
my grandma has fika at 10am, 3pm and 10pm every day
where she brings out plates of cookies and buns and stuff
mental meadow
get a teasmade
untold copper
is making "thats what she said jokes" bannable?
heady spear
and then you all sit there eating dat shit :'')
mental meadow
if you tell the jokes yes
golden gust
I mean, I used to work on the shop floor, most of our teas and such where done standing working away
heady spear
anyway bitches im gonna go implement keyed command context values in cloud have fun .
limber knotBOT
good bye stupid man
golden gust
But, like, we'd used to generally all have some time in the morning and aftertoon where we all sorta like unofficially said fuck it and crowded in the kitchen or something, especially in the winter as there was no heating in the warehouse so we'd sit there boiling our asses off for as long as possible before we where told to get back to work
golden gust
Might I suggest removing your front wedgie there
No need to get your knickers in a twist, especially this early in the day
untold copper
... cat u ok bro
visual egret
guys how tf do you ban IRC users?
golden gust
I'm tired and dead and tryna work and shizzle
just, brain hurts so working is going... erm... I got so much code to refactor and FUUUCK JAVA
untold copper
oh he's asserting his britishness
golden gust
GENERICS WOOOO
visual egret
cat is **so **happy
worn ember
Quit ur meowing and get back to work 
golden gust
listen here fuckbreath
wait, nvm, that's city
Listen here, DED
Nobody cares what you have to say
worn ember
Love you too 😚
golden gust
❤️
worn ember
Bleh ios final tomorrow. I don't even have any iOS device to practice on
And my hackingtosh goes at a full 4fps
olive marlin
cosmic raft
meh
olive marlin
I worked on SDWAN software previously, and we sadly had something similar.
There was central controller, to which many clients connected with their devices. I showed a way for any device to be able to connect to any other device, and get access to internal network.
When I left, I don't think it was patched yet lol
golden gust
That's why we need more open source players in these markets
issue is that OS players generally get screwed in actually getting hardware to fab
or, don't have the pros of being able to deal with custom silicone for stuff
worn ember
its been loading for 10 minutes now, god this is unbearable lol
olive marlin
We had off the shelf devices iirc.
mossy vessel
mood
cosmic raft
yea
void void
whats the best bungee alternative/fork?
golden gust
velocity, don't use forks
void void
hmm
there is an aegis thing or something
🚮
ive heard of a thing that when server is down, holds the players for like 10 seconds
with title saying reconnecting
but no idea what was that
golden gust
limbo servers
golden gust
I mean, there's plugin which replaces the need for a limbo server but they're generally meh
void void
and they are not kicked for a few seconds
cedar spade
If your server goes down, send them to another server until it sorts itself out?
void void
but theres a thing that holds the server for short time
golden gust
Forks of waterfall generally try fixing stuff in a horrific manner which just mask the issue and cause many other problems
void void
if its eventually gonna reconnect
golden gust
Like, if I reeaaallly wanted to
cedar spade
Sounds like you're planning for a failure that shouldn't happen in the first place and that you won't be able to recover from safely
golden gust
I could literally rip apart many of the servers using those forks quite easily
void void
so no idea what was that?
maybe a plugin not bungee
but i liked that
for example my server is restarted but players dont get kicked, but freezed with loading screen
golden gust
it'll probs be some plugin, but, I personally generally don't care for that type of stuff
hidden hill
Hello everyone!
Does anyone know how you can prevent the application of the Frost Walker enchantment on items? Can there be a plugin or something else? Or that Frost Walker just doesn't work?
hidden hill
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/enchantcontrol-reforged.85691/
Thank you!
void void
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/enchantcontrol-1-8-1-14-take-back-control-over-all-enchants-on-your-server.55084/ this should do on 1.15 if above doesnt work
woven otter
guys from the other chat please unmute 😉
golden gust
heady spear
no
next frost
ahahaha
cedar spade
Can we roast Duck instead?
I mean, duck chow mein is good n all
But roast would be way better
quasi valley
lmao
woven otter
no zml is the worst
void void
booting up minecraft servers be like
spring mango
Damn
I don't own a desktop, imagine trying to host a server on a tablet computer lol
void void
better crack it open so it won't overheat
spring mango
Yeah it is a ultra thin chasis
Minecraft isn't that GPU intensive right? unless with shaders/fabulous graphics?
wanton oak
paper lookin like 43.3% on bstats rn
topaz mortar
Whut? Not for the latest version. 1.16.x has 60+%
vernal moth
worn ember
noice
vernal moth
Why does everybody instantly go for 1.17?
worn ember
cuz its at the top
vernal moth
But i preselected 1.16.4 for ya
worn ember
yes but you gotta check if it breaks with 1.17 ofc
mossy vessel
People are dum dum mini
limber knotBOT
How do you do the maths even?
vernal moth
Well, it didn't break
worn ember
are you calling me dum?
vernal moth
Percentage of paper servers in bukkit servers, per version
bold iron
What will happen if someone share the premium plugin ?
vernal moth
It's ez
limber knotBOT
(-1/-1)*100 is never -1
limber knotBOT
Ah, so magic values
untold copper
streaming pro fortnut gameplay
olive marlin
Should be 0
limber knotBOT
Then it's 0/0 - so you just broke the universe
olive marlin
Then it's 0 of 0 servers, which is true.
left swift
Snoopa spending his ransomware vbucks
void void
Mikro is that UPS power or a power sensor on the board?
intel rapl
woven otter
how many servers run on 1.17 
void void
i don't think hetzner hardware is good enough to expose PSU stats
woven otter
are you using hetzner
ashen cliff
Hetzner
woven otter
https://minidigger.github.io/paperstats/#1.16.4
it's biased. no 1.8.8 
void void
but hey intel rapl seems to work at least - set "short term" constraint to 105W
stock was 118W
vernal moth
I don't see a paper release for 1.8.8, do you?
void void
and guess when it started overheating? when "short term" wasn't so "short term" lol
left swift
On mcm maybe 
ashen cliff
Doesn't work on my Hetzner machine.
ashen cliff
Nah, just set some epic bios settings that break the reporting.
visual egret
i was playing GTA and some guy (modder probs) started spawning money on me
do i just quit the session
i dont wanna get banned
ok i managed to leave the game
left swift
Enjoy ur free gta money
woven otter
I don't see a paper release for 1.8.8, do you?
vernal moth
Run it, it's not called paper ^^
woven otter
oh you're getting at paperspigot part
vernal moth
Yes 🤣
ashen cliff
viral hornet
PaperTacoSpigotMC
ashen cliff
TacoPaperSpigotMC*
YATOPIA 
limber knotBOT
bot died
left swift
Rip
ashen cliff
F.
viral hornet
quasi valley
quasi valley
very un-snowy
viral hornet
quasi valley
viral hornet
ashen cliff
mental crystal
how many servers run on 1.17 <:Kappa:408109216977649665>
fabric
woven otter
is 1.17 out tho
abstract root
I am an idiot, I didnt make a backup of my server in 3-4 months and we had a pretty bad poweroutage last night
luckily everything seems to be ok
olive marlin
Every time people come here because they didn't backup stuff, I need to check if my backups are working xD
abstract root
lol. imma start making weekly backups now
void void
untold copper
hoW
magic river
Apparently every 4GB of RAM suffers between 3 bit flips an hour and 3 bit flips a month so random broken downloads or one-off failures running don't surprise me anymore
olive marlin
Maybe Kaspian is Canadian? I think only they got the stickers so far :/
untold copper
short script 😉
huh?
void void
Maybe Kaspian is Canadian? I think only they got the stickers so far :/
no
im not japanese or canadian
google yourself
olive marlin
Oh, he's Polish hmm 🤔
Didn't know you could buy the stickers already. Last I checked it was limited to Canada for some reason.
olive marlin
Is it really hidden just client-side? lol
mossy vessel
As hidden as the channels you have no view perms for.
cunning raft
discord is the king of client side security
olive marlin
And everyones permissions etc.
ashen cliff
Just use a OVH VPS.
cunning raft
7 layers of ddos protection
left swift
What are you doing to get hit offline, hosting a 1.8 offline factions anarchy server?
Ah yes I think theres a term for that
true canyon
Be aware that typically "tell them how it is" is code for "I insult people and consider this behavior to be a good thing" and people don't tend to like that.
mental meadow
this is fine
true canyon
If your favorite color is red! 😄
cunning raft
sometimes it may be yourself riding the high horse 😮
true canyon
mental meadow
lol
true canyon
u have no idea who i am
Correct!
mental meadow
anarchy servers 
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?kick @icy roost Nobody likes someone who has to convince others they are somebody. Don't return with your trolly attitude.
leaden oxideBOT
ayylmfao#3830 was kicked | Nobody likes someone who has to convince others they are somebody. Don't return with your trolly attitude.
cunning raft
olive marlin
Proxi 
mental meadow
uwu
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hello!
olive marlin
Was the Jenkins "latest" really pointing to old jar on purpose or was it just because it was cached so heavily?
minor badge
it was because it was cached so heavily (on purpose)
I guess my answer was slightly misleading
olive marlin
It was cached so heavily on purpose, and because of that latest wasn't latest cause it was cached.
Yeah, I got confused a bit by your answer.
void void
yo is 1.12.2 going to be cancelled any time soon or no
mossy vessel
mental meadow
yes, a few years ago
mental meadow
Waterfall supports 1.8-1.16
quasi valley
what a mature person 
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we're handling it lol
past dawn
alr
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let's not share such images nonetheless
olive marlin
Ok, I wasn't expecting him to screenshot him being a d*ck and say he was banned for no reason lol
magic river
I'm trying to think of a polite way to word how worthless you have to be to not only put out a call to do something like that but to do it just because that guy asked
past dawn
ignore it he's kind of nuts
void void
ok so they did something else
past dawn
he is chill at times but then outbursts happen
mental meadow
?ban @wispy berry Harassment
leaden oxideBOT
Skitzer#0001 was banned | Harassment
quasi valley
since december I keep getting Minecraft mails of random free Bedrock maps
mental meadow
Then I'll ban them all lol
minor badge
We don't have any limits on our ban permissions 
magic river
I'm kind of confused on that one
minor badge
that's me, amaranth
gloomy hearth
gyhuhhjhjijoikoopkp
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there's some "We run 2b2t" trolls who have come in here every so often & spammed my emails about 1.12.2 support
quasi valley
at least 100 concurrent players isn't actually as large as he made it out to be
past dawn
1.12 is for boomers
olive marlin
Is it possible to disable joining papermc discord for an hour or 2?
mental meadow
I do love banning all those people from every other discord I'm in
?ban @void void Troll
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?ban 722520524005179452
magic river
Other than it being spam I don't understand what it's supposed to accomplish
mental meadow
nothing
olive marlin
Double ban hammer.
minor badge
I think they think I don't like my own images
mental meadow
but jokes on them, proxi is cute
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in which case, yes, I would 100% use it as an avatar
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?ban @candid thunder troll
leaden oxideBOT
I can't find user @candid thunder.
quasi valley
they even format it for mobile and mobile only, wtf
become one with the forest https://i.imgur.com/k7uCXlj.png
minor badge
manual ban it is
cunning raft
join and leave
minor badge
?ban @void void Troll
leaden oxideBOT
ReinierJ399#5059 was banned | Troll
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👏
halcyon bough
yo quick question why was paper 1.12.2 support dropped like their is a lot of demand for it
past dawn
yes
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We haven't supported 1.12 in years
past dawn
for anarchy server owners
mossy vessel
Don't you need to be 10 minutes in here to type 
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Not anymore
mental meadow
Apparently not
magic river
If there was actually a lot of demand for it someone would be paying for it 😛
past dawn
i joined right before that
olive marlin
yo quick question why was paper 1.12.2 support dropped like their is a lot of de...
People here are not really interested in maintaining it for free for just a couple of servers.
left swift
It's a party today
minor badge
You pay for it if you need it; people do still support it but it's not cheap anymore
true canyon
It's a party today
a party realms?
quasi valley
lol
left swift
Yes
magic river
Turns out keeping old shit running is annoying thankless work
Ooh, Steam got better support for PS5, Xbox Elite, and Xbox Series X controllers
More than 4 controllers, the paddles can be customized, the share button can do something now, and it supports trigger rumble
magic river
It's the minecraft mod that makes your server possible, more or less
olive marlin
halcyon bough
@void void papermc is a server software it well known for good performance
past dawn
you can just host on a spare computer
worn ember
Not reliably
past dawn
like for a group a friends
olive marlin
If you can pay a few bucks, I'd go for a server. Home hosting comes with a few issues.
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?ban @keen sorrel troll
twin lagoon
lol
leaden oxideBOT
Redmuffin#1086 was banned | troll
halcyon bough
yo whats wrong with that image?
twin lagoon
literal 12 year old
true canyon
I pity them for their incredibly tiny laptop screen. 😦
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lmao
peak ginkgo
holy fucking bans
true canyon
No, just regular bans.
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more bans that weren't done in here too ^^
peak ginkgo
Excellent