general

[merry talon]

^

[minor badge]

hehe, norwegian living in sweden, but i've still got my hang on norwegian shops :p

[minor otter]

haha nice. I could not find a good deal on komplett though 😛

[vernal moth]

Can you use our old pc for spares?

[untold copper]

alright bois last game of the day

[vernal moth]

Like, storage, memory, etc

[minor otter]

yeah, I have some components from my old pc available

[vernal moth]

Gotta shove in all your old drives and shit then

[minor otter]

It's old though, CPU is i5-4460, GPU: MSI Geforce 960 4gb I think and 32GB ram

[merry talon]

ah so thats DDR3

[minor otter]

No, its 970

MSI GeForce 970 4GB

[vernal moth]

Storage is still usable most likely tho

[merry talon]

(Actually 3.5gb )

[minor otter]

Yeah, I hope so 😛

So nr. 16. was the best of them?

[vernal moth]

I think there were models with actually 4gb, right?

[minor otter]

if I add my old drives

[vernal moth]

Man that was a long time ago

[merry talon]

oh not sure

[vernal moth]

I had a 970 too

[merry talon]

yeah 16 is your best bet for future proofing

[minor otter]

I bought it like 5-6 years ago I think haha

[merry talon]

just need to add an ssd

at some point

or a hard drive I guess

[vernal moth]

Well, if he can use his old stuff that's easy

[merry talon]

yeah

[vernal moth]

And storage is cheap nowadays anyways

[minor otter]

Any others of them as well which nearly equal?

[vernal moth]

Might be worth to just shove in a 1tb m.2 and call it a day

[untold copper]

reee

me died

okgn

[merry talon]

not when you look at the price

[minor otter]

hmm

[merry talon]

I'm not including any of the intel systems because of the upgradability problem

[magic river]

That price is about what I would pay to build that thing new I think

So considering the overhead of being not in the US I guess it's a good deal

[minor otter]

is AMD better than Intel?

[magic river]

Yeah, in multicore since the first Ryzen, in single core since the 3000 series I think

[olive marlin]

Doesn't AMD also let you keep mobo but upgrade CPU for more gens than Intel?

[magic river]

Yeah, although their latest (just came out last month) is the last upgrade for that socket

[minor badge]

You have a case, right, Thor?

[magic river]

And it depends on your mobo getting a UEFI upgrade

[minor otter]

Yes Proximyst

[minor badge]

ATX?

[minor otter]

Haha idk it looks like this

[minor badge]

thaaat i would probably guess is mATX

[olive marlin]

Does this case have a number or name to check?

[minor badge]

hella lot of PCI slots for mATX actually

[magic river]

mATX is like one or two slots

[olive marlin]

Yeah, looks ATX, but not certain.

[magic river]

I always buy mATX mobos anyway

Usually because I always get wifi built in

I think I've only seen one good ATX mobo with wifi

[minor otter]

I can't find any number, The brand is "in win" though. sounds like a random brand if u ask me

[austere ivy]

hi barty

[minor otter]

In Win 703

[minor badge]

ATX

[minor otter]

haha thats good I guess? 😕

[halcyon hedge]

Guys can you help me with an issue in my paper mc server

[coarse lily]

What’s the issue?

[halcyon hedge]

So basically i have a paper server on aternos

[merry talon]

well there's your first mistake

[halcyon hedge]

Its not laggy but theres one problem

The villagers wont breed

I gave them all the requirements

Beds food etc

But they wont

My friends are also complaining about it

So can u help me please

[warm anchor]

#paper-help

I will reply you there

[minor badge]

You might need to upgrade the PSU, but as it stands, it should work fine I believe. Reuse storage you already have; the mobo has 2x M.2 slots, so you can upgrade later. It's mATX (cost-effective, even!) with WiFi if that's of any use to you, and all parts but the GPU are in stock; see note on that
https://owo.whats-th.is/44EvnpX.png @minor otter

the one rare time a full komplett deal is cheapest lol

[merry talon]

5600x is in stock? o.O

[minor badge]

have an eye on netonnet either way though

mm it's coming in actually

[ashen cliff]

MSI

[minor badge]

a heck, it was multicom who had them coming in, they have them in january, but same price so it's fine

[minor otter]

Damn man thanks

I'll look into that 🙂

[minor badge]

If the CPU doesn't work out, they've got 3700Xes in stock on all major stores

even 3800Xes if you want to fill the entire 12k

[minor otter]

aight k

❤️

[limpid comet]

@minor badge

[minor badge]

[limber knot]

Noone needs to understand lombok

[limpid comet]

what emotion is that supposed to convey

[minor badge]

[limpid comet]

proxi pls

[minor badge]

why do you think i'm conveying emotions

[coarse lily]

proxi is just conveying proxi

[minor badge]

bomlok

[limber knot]

I don't think any IDE likes lombok

[stiff yarrow]

there's a plugin for lombok that makes it more sane to work with in IJ

with that said, I have a strong dislike for lombok

[minor badge]

thats builtin now

[limber knot]

Even eclipse with it's official integration (official from the side of lombok) with it it's not good and still mase many bugs

[zealous wedge]

there are way better solutions, like good java APs and kotlin

[limber knot]

Any IDE should have an option to generate boilerplate code for that

[merry talon]

yes but also boilerplate code sucks

that doesn't solve the actual problem

kotlin might idk

[stiff yarrow]

lombok doesn't solve a problem

it makes it worse

[limber knot]

And someone likely has written a lombok to non-lombok converter

[merry talon]

never said it did

[minor badge]

lombok made that, geolykt

its called delombok

[stiff yarrow]

at this point lombok is more about hiding boilerplate than generating it for you since any IDE provides that feature now

[limber knot]

Cool, going to run that on a project I wanted to contribute to but wasn't able due to it

[magic river]

I still say we should have just decompiled their crap and distributed the source

[minor badge]

?ban @void void Take your stupid troll infestation somewhere else. Nobody cares you stole code, and bringing friends doesn't make it funny.

[leaden oxide]

TARLUS#0001 was banned | Take your stupid troll infestation somewhere else. Nobody cares you stole code, and bringing friends doesn't make it funny.

[magic river]

It's the perfect stalemate, no one wants to get lawyers involved because that costs money and results in both projects dying

[ancient bolt]

lombok is quite nice, I just wish it supported inherited data classes better

[unkempt drift]

ugh... what is this Unable to load class 'org.jetbrains.plugins.gradle.tooling.ModelBuilderService$Ex

[ancient bolt]

something went wrong with intellij's gradle integration

[unkempt drift]

I can't figure out how to fix this. restarted/invalidated, deleted .gradle folder, restarted pc

[magic river]

What are they even talking about? I'll go decompile it and toss it up on github

[stiff yarrow]

?ban @peak pasture weird license violating bragging trolling

[leaden oxide]

vs0#5220 was banned | weird license violating bragging trolling

[coarse lily]

They aren’t even talking about anything specific. We were talking about license stuff in paper-help

So I have no idea why they’re so amped up about it.

[minor badge]

I believe JellySquid's (good) attitude towards code theft, Amaranth

[coarse lily]

Who is jellysquid?

[minor badge]

Author of Lithium, Sodium, et al.

[slim nymph]

a squid made of jelly

[coarse lily]

Ah

[slim nymph]

also a developer

[warm anchor]

wait Nosser is a mod too?

[magic river]

Mojang employee

[coarse lily]

Thank you, Aikar

Very helpful.

[slim nymph]

not mojang lol

[minor badge]

She's very... aggressive when it comes to unattributed code theft that is ignored when asked nicely

[slim nymph]

she works for hytale

[magic river]

Oh, right, that one

[minor badge]

?ban @void void Licence troll

[leaden oxide]

hihihihihihi#0978 was banned | Licence troll

[warm anchor]

LOL proximyst they like you

[ancient bolt]

Licence

[magic river]

I guess hytale will at least not have crap rendering

[coarse lily]

Ah gotcha.

[warm anchor]

Let's see how many alts that kid has

[minor badge]

?ban @void void Don't think I didn't notice you rejoining when you started the licence troll mess :-)

[leaden oxide]

epearl#0001 was banned | Don't think I didn't notice you rejoining when you started the licence troll mess :-)

[warm anchor]

LOL

[ancient bolt]

❤️ proxi doing god's work

[coarse lily]

A pity Discord doesn’t have a ban by IP option.

[warm anchor]

They do

[stiff yarrow]

usually other people are faster with the mod commands than me am slowpoke

[coarse lily]

Also yeah thanks proxi and nossr for being on the ball.

[warm anchor]

but if someone is already here, before the ban is issued

they reminds

[coarse lily]

Ah didn’t realize that.

[warm anchor]

That's the technique some raider uses

they will join a server for days

before they start

[minor badge]

Best part is probably the fact it takes me some 6 taps on my little monitor to get rid of them too

[stiff yarrow]

touch screen?

[minor badge]

Phone

[visual egret]

i just saw 3 bans related to stealing code, what tf did i miss

[coarse lily]

Nothing interesting.

[visual egret]

hmm

[minor badge]

Hey Ocelot, do you like persimmons?

[stiff yarrow]

seemed like "I'm 12 and this is funny" type trolling, nothing special

[coarse lily]

proxi are you stalking me?

[minor badge]

I hope so

[coarse lily]

I've never tried them but someone was literally just trying to get me to eat one.

Why do you ask?

[minor badge]

Oo

[stiff yarrow]

.g persimmons

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Persimmon The edible fruit of a number of species of trees in the genus Diospyros. (https://duckduckgo.com/Persimmon?v=i&kp=1)

[minor badge]

I found out the closest immigrant shop to me has them, so I got 6 of the most delicious snack to exist (dont @ me) 😌

[coarse lily]

Haha

Yeah Sneakers is all about them lately.

[minor badge]

👟

[coarse lily]

Haha

[visual egret]

what do you mean by "delicious"?

im interested

[minor badge]

it's got a great taste

[visual egret]

that... kind of means the same thing

[minor badge]

well yes

whatd you want from me

[visual egret]

sweet/salty/etc

[stiff yarrow]

probably can find that info on google oskar

[minor badge]

it's a sweet but still unique taste ig :p

[stiff yarrow]

.g what does a persimmon taste like

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.myrecipes.com/how-to/cooking-questions/what-is-persimmon

[minor badge]

these lads talking about BITING into a persimmon ??

i am GRAVELY disappointed

[coarse lily]

They also talk about using the seeds to tell the weather, so . . . not the best journalism there.

[potent fossil]

folklore
American tradition

I think it's fine journalism, they called out that it's folklore and a traditional thing not a scientific way to tell the weather

mine is playing a fucking windows bell when I use the integrated terminal. any command i use plays a windows bell. so i cant fucking use the terminal, which makes git in IJ go out of sync and overall I've had a horrible programming day

[minor badge]

pling

[wide chasm]

Mine failed marking folders correctly as well :(

[merry talon]

i had this problem years ago

i fixed it somehow

don't remember how 🙂

[potent fossil]

i tried googling about it and they said use an inputrc file so I did and it didn't fix shit

prob doesn't help that IJ is running in WSL with X forwarding to windows

[merry talon]

i think it might have literally been just

pointing the bell sound to a null sound file

it was so long ago lol

@potent fossil file -> settings -> tools -> terminal -> audible bell?

[potent fossil]

it's off

Didn't help

[spiral robin]

@cosmic raft bridge

[cosmic raft]

@spiral robin :o

[minor badge]

@spiral robin

[spiral robin]

@minor badge

[minor badge]

just WHAT do you think youre doing texting while DRIVING aberdeen

[stiff yarrow]

photo clearly shows passenger seat

[spiral robin]

I'm not DRIVING I'm busy holding my monitor

[stiff yarrow]

oh wait EU

[spiral robin]

Ye

Proxi opposite weirdo

[stiff yarrow]

?ban @sullen ocean license troll

[leaden oxide]

asdffdsdaf#1718 was banned | license troll

[spiral robin]

Kek

[warm anchor]

damn it takes him that long to make an account?

[spiral robin]

@cosmic raft ok I'm coming over

[warm anchor]

atleast automate that process

[stiff yarrow]

don't know don't care 😎

[warm anchor]

there were discussion about PGL license and what or what not consider code stealing in #paper-help

[stiff yarrow]

?ban @signal sluice porn

[leaden oxide]

LexaXLS#8080 was banned | porn

[next frost]

bruh

[magic mesa]

my eyes

[warm anchor]

Nossr getting his 2021 ban quota in

[minor badge]

huh

thanks nossr

[unkempt drift]

What is a license troll?

[vernal moth]

^

[unkempt drift]

True

Literally posting trolls with licenses.

[coarse lily]

mbaxter that show is great.

[mossy vessel]

Thx for leaving me

[magic river]

lol my desktop decided it was windows update time

[mossy vessel]

lul

[warm anchor]

You mean Microsoft's Desktop runs

[cosmic raft]

@twin lagoon #adorable-pets

[twin lagoon]

[true canyon]

Bat!

[coarse lily]

Haha

[spiral robin]

@twin lagoon

[coarse lily]

I should rewatch that soon.

[coarse lily]

My favorite was the cough told you so! And then he's all cuff cuff youfuckingdidn't

[worn pasture]

@viral hornet it's only 9:30am and already 30 degrees 🥵

[true canyon]

vampire laughing only Guillermo

[limber knot]

why is what api like wut dejay

oh GP, yes, that's BigScary's coding, I think he came from a C# background. Big changes to said API coming soon

[mossy vessel]

Camm is dead

[coarse lily]

RIP Camm

[peak ginkgo]

RoboMWM: Good thing I saw this

[mossy vessel]

:/

[viral hornet]

Yes today is very hot

no i am aliveEEEE

[worn pasture]

no u

[viral hornet]

no weather

[waxen panther]

hows the diamonds

[viral hornet]

[worn pasture]

imagine being in queensland for 3 weeks and still not getting to meet camm

[waxen panther]

??????

[twin lagoon]

[waxen panther]

never should've let camm on my island

[viral hornet]

Brocc

I will replace

[waxen panther]

you better

[viral hornet]

I WILL

Just when I can get back on

[potent fossil]

god damn dominos wanted almost $30 for a single large pizza with the toppings i wanted

[limber knot]

u can whine more about GP (and my occasional commentaries on the roadmap in GP's channel/dumcord if u wanna btw

[potent fossil]

eat my ass dominos

[waxen panther]

simple do you want to buy me a pizza x

[worn pasture]

[potent fossil]

no im broke

[waxen panther]

:(

[viral hornet]

I'll buy you pizza if you need brocc

[coarse lily]

He's broke because he just spent $30 on dominos

[potent fossil]

nope i didnt, notice i said "eat my ass dominos"

[worn pasture]

i see how it is cameron

[viral hornet]

wtf turbo

you're loaded

rich web dev

[peak ginkgo]

I need an IRC Client

[potent fossil]

thelounge

[worn pasture]

u ignore me

[peak ginkgo]

also "rich" "web dev"

[worn pasture]

money can't buy that

[coarse lily]

I know a web dev whose name is Rich :)

[peak ginkgo]

Thats Rich the Web Dev

Not a Rich Web Dev

[coarse lily]

I know a few "rich" web devs, too.

[worn pasture]

just cause i bought a gram of coke for new years doesn't make me loaded lmao

[coarse lily]

But I guess it depends on your definition.

[viral hornet]

oh i missed this cause of replies/pings

are you still in qld wtf

[waxen panther]

yes buy me pizza

send it to my bitmoji

thx

[viral hornet]

okay

[coarse lily]

brocc I'll buy you pizza.

I'm a rich web dev.

[worn pasture]

my flight home got cancelled so i decided to stay another week

[coarse lily]

Rich in character.

[viral hornet]

Sorry @waxen panther no can do: https://i.imgur.com/uxrFqV6.png

[potent fossil]

[twin lagoon]

wtf

do they hate manchas

😔

[worn pasture]

yes

and also people from sydney

it's treason basically

[waxen panther]

wrtwthasd

dominos hates me 😭

[spiral robin]

wtf

Another week of shit manchas photos from roommate

[viral hornet]

yes sydney is diseased

[twin lagoon]

you're a disease

[potent fossil]

i got my MEDIUM pizza because medium was 14 dollars whereas large was 30

stupid .

https://owo.whats-th.is/9nHEkiu.png

[true canyon]

Is their large VERY large?

[potent fossil]

idk probably, i dont buy there very often

this is pretty big

they have small, medium (this), large, and extra large

lol

[magic river]

No banana in this picture, I have no idea how big it is

[coarse lily]

Now I want pizza.

Not that monstrosity but pizza.

That was a pretty quick delivery.

[mental meadow]

My only meal today was dinner and after that I realised I can't eat anything else because I get my blood checked tomorrow. So now I'm dizzy from low blood sugar and very hungry, thx for that pizza pic simple :c

[stiff yarrow]

I miss pizza, I have an infinite stomach for it

[potent fossil]

it wasnt delivery, i did contactless pickup

[coarse lily]

Oh

[potent fossil]

also, why is it a monstrosity?

[magic river]

You left the house?

[potent fossil]

first time in 5 weeks

[coarse lily]

Just a preference thing. I'm not a big fan of dominos.

[potent fossil]

https://owo.whats-th.is/9iEx8WW.jpg

ruler for scale, i guess

im not a huge fan of it but...idk. craving

i dont really eat pizza often

[stiff yarrow]

You might like it more with toppings

[coarse lily]

Haha

[potent fossil]

this is the specialty wisconsin 6 cheese pizza

the cheese is the toppings

[coarse lily]

That's a lot of cheese

[potent fossil]

but i tried to add a topping and they cost so much money

so i just said no

im stimulus-less

[coarse lily]

I'm stimulus-less, too.

I'm gonna end up ordering pizza now.

[unkempt drift]

since someone is talking about pizza, pineapple doesn't belong on pizza.

[waxen panther]

hello mods

machine maker is baiting

please ban

[potent fossil]

eh, i used to be hardcore anti pineapple pizza but now i really dont mind it

[unkempt drift]

not baiting if its a fact...

[potent fossil]

other toppings have to go with it, cant just be pineapple

[formal turret]

pineapple on pizza is great

[potent fossil]

and the typical Hawaiian is stupid

should be meat and some pineapple to even out the savory

[formal turret]

pineapple and pepperoni = my fav

[mental meadow]

I like it sometimes

[potent fossil]

not the uhh

[mental meadow]

Sweet and salty is awesome

[potent fossil]

"canadian bacon" and pineapple

that shit is DISGUSTING

but tastefully added with other toppings, it's good

[magic river]

But that's the saltiest topping

That's why it goes with pineapple (which shouldn't be on pizza)

[potent fossil]

I'm too busy eating pizza to fight about pizza

Otherwise I would

[coarse lily]

I haven’t even ordered pizza here yet.

I am now looking up pizza options because of you simple.

[potent fossil]

Very good.

I fucking love oblivion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CRZrY-IMMQ

[fallen oracle]

I've never seen this GamesDoneQuick before and it's fascinating watching these speed runs.

https://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick

[mental meadow]

just wait until TASBot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSFHKAvTGNk

[worn pasture]

Ur a disease

[fallen oracle]

They had a bot play the game? O.o

[mental meadow]

Watch it

[viral hornet]

move back to melbourne

[mental meadow]

It's hilarious

[worn pasture]

And I don't want the cure

🥺

[magic river]

TAS is tool assisted speedrun, you use an emulator that can run frame by frame and rewind to get nothing but frame perfect inputs

[fallen oracle]

Oh

[magic river]

TASbot is a thing that connects to a real console and feeds it the inputs from a TAS

[unkempt drift]

super slowmode?

[fallen oracle]

Sub only

[magic river]

sub only, slow mode, lots of lurkers

That's fairly normal for GDQ since they went sub only and started banning copy/paste spam

[unkempt drift]

people have macros so they type something out, then it copies it, and pastes it like 10 times then hit enter

[fallen oracle]

Do you think when games are designed they know what will be speed ran or is it all about accidental making you able to do XYZ that players figure out?

But they are glitches they find in the game, right?

[mental meadow]

well not always

Speedrunning doesn't need glitches

it's just playing a game fast

[fallen oracle]

This dude is clipping through levels

[mental meadow]

To play the game faster

[fallen oracle]

Wowza, he was 2 minutes under.

[wide chasm]

Oh yeah AGDQ started

[mental meadow]

If a game get's released for the first time most speedruns will be normal gameplay, and slowly people will find faster ways to beat the game, sometimes with glitches. That's why usually there a different categories for speedrunning, like Any% (beat the game as fast as possible), 100% (beat every level), Glitchles, Inbounds, etc

[fallen oracle]

Oh I never understood how the percentages worked.

[wide chasm]

Just put a percentage behind tye category and done

[fallen oracle]

So 100% means legit run

[mental meadow]

no

[stiff yarrow]

Some game devs keep it in mind, but most don’t intentionally dev with it in mind

[mental meadow]

Just means you beat every level

[wide chasm]

You do everything the game has to offer

[mental meadow]

look at OOT for example, you have the most popular categories there with the rules

https://www.speedrun.com/oot

[wide chasm]

Any is just getting to the credits as fast as possible

[mental meadow]

something like "beating SMW in under 10 seconds" would be Any% for example (bad example, since it technically isn't, but yeah)

[potent fossil]

ok this tasbot thing is kinda fun to watch but also no

2 long

[wide chasm]

Still waiting for TLoZ:TP low% at AGDQ /s

If you want major glitches watch the Skyward Sword run, that one is completely broken

[stiff yarrow]

Different categories for different runs, typically something like no glitches will mean there’s no huge bug abuse, 100% usually means doing all the content but what that means can vary

[wide chasm]

Shout out to 100%s which don't actually do everything :)

[stiff yarrow]

Each game has its own categories typically determined by its sub community of speed runners

[vivid ivy]

Any opinons on GraalVM vs openjdk?

[fallen oracle]

Ahh okay

There's so many games on this site that speedrun. This is so cool.

[coarse lily]

@potent fossil the pizza place nearby doesn't deliver.

RIP me.

[potent fossil]

I did a contactless pickup, was pretty streamlined. I showed up, there was a big 6 foot table and they slid it across to me lol

[coarse lily]

Yeah I guess I could go get it. Bleh.

[brave radish]

is there a way to make it disable pinging on replies by default? I just realized I've been pinging zzzCat all the time even though it's literally in his name

[zealous wedge]

not without client mods

[brave radish]

oof

[coarse lily]

Yeah Discord is dumb.

[zealous wedge]

https://github.com/cyyynthia/better-replies

[brave radish]

thanks, but my browser is extension-free and i'd like to keep it that way 🙂

even though it's open source

or is that not a broweer extenstion? now i'm confused

[coarse lily]

It's funny how it just says "enhances replies" but doesn't actually mention Discord at all.

Ah it says Powercord in the sidebar.

[brave radish]

ohh it's a discord plugin? do those exist? idk lol

[coarse lily]

https://powercord.dev

It's a plugin for Powercord, a third party Discord client.

[brave radish]

ohhhhhh thanks lol

[coarse lily]

A third party Discord client whose site is kinda janky.

[potent fossil]

isnt that against discord tos

https://owo.whats-th.is/4Pf3xm9.png

got it

[coarse lily]

Probably, but I doubt they're enforcing it.

[stiff yarrow]

Last I checked it was currently murky

[coarse lily]

Haha

[stiff yarrow]

I’ll stick to official discord client until discord says it’s fine

[coarse lily]

I'd be more likely to use a third party client that was a native binary.

Rather than Yet-Another-Electron/Chromium application.

[brave radish]

THANK YOU!

why does everyone insist on doing everything in html and js?

[potent fossil]

Yeah electron sux

[coarse lily]

Because they're lazy

[potent fossil]

they probably did it to avoid extra work indeed

[brave radish]

I personally don't even really like the idea of the JVM

[potent fossil]

they just write the 1 app and package for everywhere

[coarse lily]

I never thought I'd be agreeing with someone whose username is a very descriptive and identifiable "AMinecraftUser96758".

[brave radish]

But I'm good with java cuz it's easy enough to decompile that we have this server lol

[potent fossil]

discord is a fairly small company, likely cant drop the cash and resources to develop several native binaries

though it would be nice

[coarse lily]

Discord has 450 employees.

[potent fossil]

that's fairly small

[stiff yarrow]

Doubt they are small anymore

[coarse lily]

For a company that does nothing else that's pretty big.

[brave radish]

but today it would be so easy to have the same source compile for different platforms into a native binary

[coarse lily]

I've worked with far, far smaller companies who have run native and web versions of their product.

[brave radish]

as long as you have libraries that support different platforms

[potent fossil]

Yeah, I guess.

[coarse lily]

I'm not trying to be a keyboard warrior here. I know it isn't easy to change course when you have momentum.

They also might fully believe in using Electron and they hate/don't want/have some other reason for not using native apps.

[stiff yarrow]

The point is why move their client out of electron when everyone uses it anyways

Not going to help their business

[potent fossil]

the only people who dont like it are devs who know what electron is

everyone else is like "yes luv it"

[coarse lily]

Users don't know the difference.

Discord is less chompy than Slack.

But both consume way more fucking resources than they need to.

[stiff yarrow]

Effectively you’d be wasting your time to port discord to a native binary when it would make no change to the company from a business POV

[brave radish]

I find it interesting how modern languages (swift, kotlin, in fact kotlin was kinda made for this) are all using optional vars to increase type safety, meanwhile the rest of the world is pushing towards JS, which is like the farthest away from type safe as you can get

[tawdry coyote]

A lot of people are pushing / switching to typescript

[potent fossil]

TypeScript exists

[coarse lily]

Eh types aren't everything.

[potent fossil]

which is JS with types

[coarse lily]

And TypeScript is the devil.

[zealous wedge]

also powercord is a client mod, not a custom client

so it's stuck with JS

[brave radish]

yeah, but still, people still use js

[coarse lily]

Ah gotcha - it wasn't entirely clear from their site when I skimmed it.

[potent fossil]

well yeah, it's the Web Language

and has been for a very long time

[brave radish]

Why did the CoffeeScript developer keep getting lost?

[potent fossil]

I've heard Elm will be a big player tho

[brave radish]

Because he couldn't find his source without a map

[potent fossil]

Have (still) not used it tho

and WASM is getting more popular thank fuck

[brave radish]

https://github.com/mohitrakhade20/javascript-jokes there's literally a github repo that's just js jokes

[potent fossil]

yeah, JS is a mess, but it's still the most widely used language for the web so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brave radish]

I can't decide wheter I hate webassembly or love it. Obviously I like the efficiency and thereby reduced power, but with the only real language being JS you could always tell what a website was doing, even obfuscated ones

[coarse lily]

There's a [thing] that's just [computer thing] jokes for every computer thing.

If it exists, someone hates it.

[tawdry coyote]

I mean I doubt people use webassembly with obfuscation as a priority.

[potent fossil]

Correct

It's mainly for speed

[magic river]

Real optimizing compilers kind of obfuscate just as a side effect

[brave radish]

exactly, but it still allows website to run unreadable code, which could never be done before

also why does discord keep telling me I have unread messages whenever I post something, and marking my message as unread?

[potent fossil]

wat

[brave radish]

Sometimes when I post something it says "you have one unread message since whatever time" and it's talking about the one I sent

[brave radish]

also I didn't know discord could reuse names so i put random numbers

[coarse lily]

Haha

You can change it.

[brave radish]

I know, but now it matches my spigot bug report name

[potent fossil]

well it won't give you the exact code but you can indeed decompile WASM to S-expressions apparently. https://webassembly.org/getting-started/advanced-tools/

[coarse lily]

I'm not sure "AMinecraftUser" is much better, though. :)

[brave radish]

also, it is identifiable. I doubt you've ever seen someone else named "AMinecraftUser" with ANY number after it

at least on this server

[coarse lily]

I may have. I'm not sure, because if nothing else it's forgettable.

Which is maybe what you were going for.

[brave radish]

Well at least the baby zombie on the chicken inside a boat is pretty unique lol

and it kinda was actually

[vestal jasper]

ahem

@static badge hi

[potent fossil]

[woven otter]

@vestal jasper hi

that was fun tho

[brave radish]

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1457592/FULLTEXT01.pdf interesting

[potent fossil]

tf is that

[brave radish]

jvm benchmarks

[warm anchor]

[potent fossil]

i cannot for the life of me figure out why the fuck zsh is causing a windows bell to go off but only in IJ's integrated terminal.

if i switch to bash, everything is fine.

[vestal jasper]

ding

[brave radish]

"windows bell"?

[potent fossil]

.g !youtube windows bell

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=windows bell

[potent fossil]

enjoy

nice it has no good results

its the stupid noise windows makes

idk

[brave radish]

zsh on windows?

bash on windows?

huh?

[potent fossil]

its running in WSL with X Forwarding

[brave radish]

ohhhh

makes sense

time to just use linux lol

[potent fossil]

i was before and switched to this because i very much enjoy games

and hate dualbooting

[brave radish]

why do you run Ij in WSL?

dualboot life

[potent fossil]

because i like to program entirely in a linux environment

[brave radish]

alr then

[potent fossil]

and again, hate dualbooting

it's literally the bane of my existence

[brave radish]

why? I tri-booted my laptop

[potent fossil]

dont like turning off and on just to switch activities

i've tried dualbooting, multiple gfx cards + passthru with VMs (worked but was stupid and i hated it)

WSL with X forwarding is nice

If I can solve this stupid fucking bell then there are really no downsides

[brave radish]

well that does make more sense with windows. with different linux distros they all boot and shut down so quickly I don't mind switching. But if every time i shut one down it took an hour to update, i can see how it would be a problem :)

[potent fossil]

windows boots quickly, speed is not the issue

i just don't like shutting down and losing all my shit so i can play a game

[cosmic raft]

urgh

this song is stuck in my head

[potent fossil]

with this, i can leave my shit open and play a game, close it later and go back to my shit

its not a hard concept

[cosmic raft]

I blame you simple

[potent fossil]

which song

[cosmic raft]

https://youtu.be/34Z9VHJOVec

[potent fossil]

this better have actual lyrics

[cosmic raft]

it does

[potent fossil]

interesting song kash

[cosmic raft]

is catchy

[brave radish]

followup to my question in #paper-help: anyone ever made a graalvm native image of paper with plugins? obviously it'd kinda ruin it if it still loaded the jar files cuz then you'd need a JVM anyway, but what about if you loaded them into the classpath first?

[lean kiln]

lol

[potent fossil]

i think it was fucking powerlevel10k causing the bell

[lean kiln]

your not gonna get plugin loading and paper working with a native image i dont think

not easily at least

[brave radish]

well I thought maybe someone had tried compiling the plugins straight into paper

[lean kiln]

thats probably what you would need to do to have a chance of it working

[brave radish]

seems like you could replace the code that loads the Main classes from the jars with just importing the classes directly, recompile, and then run native-image on that. Never looked very far into the paper source code though

[lean kiln]

you could try it yes

[ancient bolt]

"you could just"

sure

[lean kiln]

reflection wont work and stuff

[ancient bolt]

go for it

[clever widget]

hi

[lean kiln]

at the very least lol

[clever widget]

Java

[lean kiln]

Yes

[ancient bolt]

not to mention all of the other classloading magic plugin classloaders do

but ignoring all of those technical challenges I have one question: why?

[lean kiln]

yea

[clever widget]

so there was the message with the java 11 so i installed it but still get issue

[ancient bolt]

what's the imagined benefit for a graal native image?

it will not be even the slightest bit faster or more efficient

[lean kiln]

you need to ensure you run the game with the correct install @clever widget

[ancient bolt]

if you got it to work it would pretty much guaranteed be slower at best

[clever widget]

how

[lean kiln]

probably by setting your JAVA_HOME env var

[clever widget]

wat

[lean kiln]

google how to set JAVA_HOME

[brave radish]

Theoretically it could be faster though

[ancient bolt]

no

not even theoretically

[brave radish]

You don't have the benefit of the optimization the JIT compiler performs

but you still lose the JVM

[ancient bolt]

what makes you think the JVM is slow?

[lean kiln]

would gson work in a native image

i feel like it wouldnt

[brave radish]

nothing, But it exists, therefore it can be optimized

[brave radish]

gson as in binary json?

[lean kiln]

gson as in the google library?

[brave radish]

wait no that's bson

lol

[ancient bolt]

gson uses a lot of unsafe, so pretty sure that wouldn't work

see no reason why reflection wouldn't work

[lean kiln]

im just uninformed

either way it would be a challenge to get even vanilla server to boot in a graal native image

[brave radish]

The only plugin I run that isn't my own is WorldEdit, which I believe does some really weird reflection stuff, but idk

[brave radish]

challenge accepted. Be right back with a surrender 🙂

[ancient bolt]

this is a meaningless statement

[clever widget]

yall are literal wizards and idk what a jre is

[brave radish]

no, I have no clue what I'm talking about lol

DemonWav appears to be though

[clever widget]

all i do is server

lol imagine using craftbukkit

no one

idk i just set it up and drag plugins and edit yml

[lean kiln]

click .jar

[clever widget]

i drag plugins and buy ram

and buy more ram

[lean kiln]

just download ram

[clever widget]

how

[lean kiln]

https://downloadmoreram.com/

[clever widget]

download more ram no rickroll?

[potent fossil]

works every time

[lean kiln]

no rickroll

[clever widget]

but its a rickroll

[lean kiln]

no

[clever widget]

i did it like 4 years ago

when its done it rickrolls

also you cannot download physical hardware (yet)

[lean kiln]

oh

[potent fossil]

(yet)

[clever widget]

idk teleportation might come soon

dedodaded wam

d- do you know the weccommended amout of dedodaded wam i should add to servur.....

you can never have enough

[coarse lily]

@potent fossil pizza acquired

[clever widget]

how much dedodaded wam is enough

1TB

[potent fossil]

@coarse lily send pics

[brave radish]

I just ran "rm -dr *"... that always scare me lol

[coarse lily]

Too late, I ate it all :(

[clever widget]

i use windows

aaaaaaakaaaakaaaakaaaakaaaakaaaakaaaakaaaa

windows server

[coarse lily]

Stop

[clever widget]

because im dumb and cant use a cli

how do you even

[potent fossil]

huh

[clever widget]

windows

i use windows

[potent fossil]

ok

[clever widget]

because i cant use a cli

because im dumb

[potent fossil]

i use windows and i use a cli on it every day

[clever widget]

yeah but my brain is too simplistic to understand a cli

[potent fossil]

ok

[clever widget]

with windows i just drag

ez

ima try hosting my server on a vpn

[brave radish]

I promised a surrender. Here it is. I told you I don't know what I'm talking about :)

[potent fossil]

have fun with that

[clever widget]

why is You also agree that tacos are tasty, and the best food in the world. in the eula

[potent fossil]

because it's a legal agreement

[brave radish]

Idk but it makes me laugh every time i do it

[clever widget]

yeah like they are tasty and the best food in the world

but

why is that in the eula

[potent fossil]

because you have to agree to that to use paper

[clever widget]

so if you think that pizza is the best food in the world then you cant use paper?

[potent fossil]

yes

[magic river]

🌯 🏆 🌮 🚫 🍕 🆗

[coarse lily]

Icon city.

[potent fossil]

.kill Amaranth

[limber knot]

puts Amaranth into a sack, throws the sack in the river, and hurls the river into space.

[clever widget]

pizza is good as well

but tacos are the best

and im totally saying that because i think that and not because im legally bind to it

[brave radish]

anyone know what "ld: cannot find -lz" means? lol

[magic river]

You don't have libz-dev or whatever installed

[potent fossil]

i solved the unholy fucking windows bell

who wants to guess what it was

go for it

[magic river]

zlib1g-dev

[potent fossil]

good guess but no

[coarse lily]

Was it "disable bell"?

[potent fossil]

zsh was trying to set a fucking terminal title and intellij did not fucking like that one bit

[coarse lily]

apt-get install no-more-bell

Ha

zsh ruins everything again

[potent fossil]

actually zsh by itself is fine, oh-my-zsh was causing the issue

but they have a flag to stop setting terminal titles so it's ok

[brave radish]

the fact that you have to run Ij in WSL just shows how bad windows is

[clever widget]

what makes paper better then regular spigot other then "its fast"?

[coarse lily]

tacos, apparently.

[brave radish]

bigger API, discord, and mainly, "it's fast"

[magic river]

It's actually maintained, somewhat

[coarse lily]

But yeah mostly it's fast,

[clever widget]

i mean yall are pretty cool

when you say "its fast" can you explain

[potent fossil]

more api, larger team that welcomes contributions and doesn't outright deny them because they don't align with unspoken goals, tacos, it's faster

[brave radish]

well paper has lots of optimizations spigot doesn't

[potent fossil]

spigot has no async chunk loading for example, but paper does

[brave radish]

a large part is in chunk loading, go read zzzCat's recent explanation in #paper-dev if you want to know more

[coarse lily]

party I am not watching your weird videos.

[brave radish]

^

[clever widget]

also why is 1.13+ version bad performance?

[coarse lily]

But yeah chunks.

[potent fossil]

@spare venture hey man

[torpid zealot]

the heck is that

[potent fossil]

fuck

[brave radish]

literally didn't even notice the video

[potent fossil]

you

[coarse lily]

party I like you. But I don't trust you.

[potent fossil]

don't watch the video

do NOT

[brave radish]

cuz mojang did a bunch of internal stuff that just ended up being slow

[magic river]

It's hilarious

[coarse lily]

Haahhaha see!

[clever widget]

oh

can you pwease fix it?/ i wants 2 bee 2 tee 1.16!!!!!!!!!!

[potent fossil]

i should've known as soon as i saw the text

[magic river]

It's a video of a woman jacking off an icicle

[potent fossil]

not entirely inaccurate

[brave radish]

can who fix what so what?

[coarse lily]

Typical Monday night here.

[potent fossil]

excuse me

[coarse lily]

You're excused.

[potent fossil]

thanks!

[coarse lily]

np buddy

[clever widget]

why is minecraft so ram hungry

[coarse lily]

<3

Minecraft hungers for RAM like simple and I hunger for pizza.

[brave radish]

cuz it's a large game that has to store tons and tons of stuff in memory. Every chicken takes memory. Every player every cow etc

[clever widget]

but that stuff isnt too large? or no?

[brave radish]

the blocks themselves have a lot of info about them, all of which is stored in RAM

[clever widget]

i mean im using coreprotect so uhhhhhhh yeah

[brave radish]

Well once you have 500 entities loading and an entire world, that adds up to a lot of ram

[clever widget]

yeah

[magic river]

Everything in MC is just a matter of scale

[clever widget]

but like even my client

[magic river]

Fallout 4 might have 20 entities active in a busy area, that's a small farm in Minecraft

[brave radish]

still has to have the info on every entity within range and all the blocks in memory

[coarse lily]

I mean Fallout 4 is slow as fuck, too.

[clever widget]

so answer is block game intensive

got it

[brave radish]

non-standalone native image starting

let's see what happens

[clever widget]

I've heard of tacospigot, which is supposedley a "even higher performance fork of spigot", if so, why isn't it used?

[magic river]

If you wanted less block variety, shorter worlds, smaller view distances, and no mob farms you could get by with basically no RAM 😛

[brave radish]

cuz paper has more devs and is prolly faster

[coarse lily]

Sounds fun! let's do it.

[clever widget]

why is it called paper

[magic river]

I thought tacospigot was just a meme

[brave radish]

also broken at the moment

and i have no idea... i guess because it's "lightweight", at least by comparison

[clever widget]

Oh ok

me: i would like to expand my server-
server: GIVE. MORE RAM. GIMME GIMME.

[brave radish]

last update to tacospigot was two years ago at MC 1.13

[clever widget]

oh ok so it was abandoned

[brave radish]

apparently... with no notice put up on github either

[coarse lily]

RIP

[clever widget]

gah some people are just so stupid

[brave radish]

there are still issues and PRs being filed though

as of 2020

[clever widget]

why would you join a server, just to flyhack at mach 5, lagging it to the point of almost crashing, just to get your ip blocked?

and make me spend $30 on an anticheat

[brave radish]

so that you can post it on YouTube and get a million views cuz people are weird

other than that no clue

[brave radish]

$30 on an anticheat?

[clever widget]

yeah

[potent fossil]

it's called griefing, and they find it entertaining

[brave radish]

ooooooof

[clever widget]

ncp bad, spartan bad,

aac good

[potent fossil]

aac is fantastic when properly configured

which a lot of people dont do and then say "aac sux"

[clever widget]

im using stock aac and its the best ive used

i can try to hack, no work

[potent fossil]

lol

[clever widget]

and vanilla movments are literally undetected

[magic river]

Dunno how it is now but NCP was always really good too but really finicky with tickrate and network performance so needed a lot of configuration

[clever widget]

ncp doesnt let me go through doors and kicks me for going on farmland

[magic river]

Which basically requires you to understand MC network protocol mechanics and how exploits work

[clever widget]

spartan picks up vanilla movments too much

[austere ivy]

what's aac again?

[clever widget]

advanced anti cheat

[potent fossil]

that

[austere ivy]

gotchu thanks

[clever widget]

only 20 GBP

[magic river]

I just looked for ways to patch exploits properly in the server instead of leaving it for something to infer things from events or hijack packets to try to do it

[clever widget]

again i am dum dum

[magic river]

Some of them need protocol changes to patch out though but I swear I was close to a proper server side speed/fly fix

[clever widget]

funny how i've spent more money on plugins then on server hardware

i self host

[coarse lily]

Time to revisit!

[magic river]

Meh

[coarse lily]

Booo

[clever widget]

ive actually spend $40 Usd on server hardware

and that $40 was ram

[left swift]

Nocheatplus is good with a good config

And its free

[magic river]

I don't think I came up with anything revolutionary, I just did the math and spent a bunch of time tuning things under simulated conditions

Still had too many false positives when I put it down but I feel like it could have worked

[brave radish]

non-standalone native image ran of vanilla... time to see why it needs a JDK

[clever widget]

also i updated my paper and its using so less ram

sometimes we even hit under 1 GB!!!

or maybe its the java 11

idk

[brave radish]

how many people?

[clever widget]

1

online

thats like the low

[brave radish]

also, you're using aikar's flags, yes?

wait no

[clever widget]

wat

[magic river]

5 or fewer people who are always together can fit under 1GB without too much effort

[brave radish]

not if you just double click

[clever widget]

i used to have my server on 3gb ram and i couldnt handle 5 players playing survival

[magic river]

If you set up a massive sheep farm with multiple of each color you'll have a bad time

[brave radish]

https://mcflags.emc.gs/

[magic river]

If those 5 players were far enough away from each other to load different chunks you were basically running 5 instances of single player

If they all play together it's the same as just 1 player

[clever widget]

yeah they were apart

[brave radish]

.paste

[limber knot]

Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg

[brave radish]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/9e4f451e44914ae993f8e51a15cbdce6

[clever widget]

whats the difference between the xms and xmx

[coarse lily]

min and max

[clever widget]

ohh ok

[potent fossil]

its actually start and max

[coarse lily]

True - that's more technically accurate.

"beginning and max"

[clever widget]

i set my xmx to 256m and xmx to 9000 something

[coarse lily]

But you're better off having both the same.

[potent fossil]

^

use aikar's flags, boi

[clever widget]

i havent noticed a difference

[brave radish]

do you have 9Gb of ram?

[clever widget]

yes

well i have 12 but leave 3 for other stuff

[coarse lily]

Yeah you want some extra.

[brave radish]

you use both the same to avoid trying to use more ram then you have

[clever widget]

oh ok

[brave radish]

because when it starts with 9000MB if you don't have 9000MB available (because something else is using it), it just doesn't start instead of crashing later when there's not enough ram

[clever widget]

when i use these (https://aikar.co/2018/07/02/tuning-the-jvm-g1gc-garbage-collector-flags-for-minecraft/) do i just put that in the start thing

[brave radish]

by start thing, you mean start.bat?

if so, yes

[spare venture]

‘.bat’

[brave radish]

make sure you put them BEFORE the -jar

[potent fossil]

keep in mind with aikar's flags, the JVM is going to use 1-1.5 gb more ram than is defined on Xmx

so if necessary drop your Xmx slightly

[coarse lily]

They said earlier they use Windows.

Don't hate, party.

[potent fossil]

yeah borty

[coarse lily]

Yeah porty.

[brave radish]

you can hate things if they're windows. it's a rule

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/just-sayin-YDj8Ot6mIbJYs

[clever widget]

wHeReS tHe aNY kEy>>>>????

[brave radish]

Windows 7 supports serious multitasking. It can boot and crash at the same time.

check the fourth pinned message on this channel

[clever widget]

because microsoft

[potent fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK26bXWrOvo

[magic river]

The 4th pinned message is leaf saying they're braindead

[brave radish]

on this channel?

it says "
DemonWav
12/12/2020
honestly why does windows exist"

[clever widget]

what does "a cat is fine too, desudesudesu~~~" mean

[magic river]

.g desu

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.desu.edu/

[magic river]

aww, fail

[clever widget]

ive seen it before in loic

[potent fossil]

lol

[clever widget]

no lives matter

[magic river]

desu is basically "it is" but having a character end every sentence with it is considered cute

[clever widget]

adobe flash

[brave radish]

hahahaha... nice joke

[clever widget]

why it died

[brave radish]

cuz it was a murderer who finally got executed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash#Criticisms

click the link

[magic river]

Flash was a JavaScript-adjacent language hooked up to a GPU accelerated PDF renderer that had an animation API

No really, that's basically it

[clever widget]

SS

[spare venture]

bring back leaf

[brave radish]

I don't know why that's so funny, but it is

[magic river]

ActionScript 3 was like an alternative timeline version of ES6 JavaScript, the JIT for it even powered Firefox's JS engine for a few years

[spare venture]

flash is an important part of history

[magic river]

They called it TraceMonkey

[spare venture]

no the furry one

[brave radish]

yeah, of HISTORY

not the present

please keep it out of the present

[spare venture]

no

[magic river]

Every drawing API worth mentioning is basically a GPU accelerated version of PostScript/PDF

Cairo, Skia, Qt's thing, <canvas>, Flash

[brave radish]

party, if you love it so much, see this. https://ruffle.rs/

[magic river]

QPainter, I think they call it

[brave radish]

"Qt's thing" lol

[magic river]

Oh yeah, and Direct2D

Can't forget that one

[clever widget]

if i could i would use windows 7

if i could i would then i would do very bad things

[magic river]

And of course PostScript basically comes from Xerox PARC and that same inspiration was kind of used for QuickDraw on the original Apple Mac iirc so once again Xerox invented the future

[spare venture]

furrier

[viral hornet]

[spare venture]

https://i.gyazo.com/8b22edecad9c7e2615beea735e36a6da.mp4

hmmm there is an odd one out here

[magic river]

Fun fact, the Apple LaserWriter (first PostScript printer) had a significantly faster CPU and more RAM than any Apple Mac you could use it with

[spare venture]

you don't seem to understand what i mean by furrier

that was the goal

[coarse lily]

Amaranth your old nerd is showing. :)

[austere ivy]

wonderful cat, thank you for sharing @magic river

[magic river]

I was looking for a cat or dog person wearing druid clothes but that's the best I could do that wasn't NSFW 😛

[clever widget]

Nordmenn, Kjemp for Norge!

[austere ivy]

hold on, barty

[coarse lily]

Ha

[spare venture]

.cat

sad

[coarse lily]

.barty

Also sad.

[limber knot]

dumcordians

[clever widget]

hypixel anticheat is fucking insane

[limber knot]

good or bad

[clever widget]

i joined with a hack client, not even using any hacks

ban

instant

[limber knot]

duh

that's ez

pretty sure most popular hack clients advertise themselves

that's basically wearing a shirt that says ban me

[clever widget]

advertise?

[coarse lily]

Send dumb packets.

[clever widget]

ohhh

[lyric hinge]

I remember there was a prestigious client, not sure which one, that Hypixel purchased, modified to send a set packet on server join, then leaked.

They left it a month or so then banwaved everyone using it

[coarse lily]

Haha

[austere ivy]

alright @spare venture, my life's work

[coarse lily]

Haha

[austere ivy]

I even put the lil ears and everything

[spare venture]

that’s perfect

[warm anchor]

What's the command for no details only help dog pic I need that pic

[spare venture]

.help

Is it a command?

It’s a pinned message from a couple years ago

[austere ivy]

did all the commands go kaboom?

@warm anchor https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555469074080202765/561287494075678721/image0.png?width=400&height=204

it is pinged

pinned*

[warm anchor]

pic is fine. I do remember it was a command too

thank

[austere ivy]

@spare venture and y'know I'll do an artist impression of you too if you want me to

[cosmic raft]

@spare venture it is

.halp

[limber knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555469074080202765/561287494075678721/image0.png

[cosmic raft]

a, not e

[austere ivy]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

nice nice

[potent fossil]

dbrand's social media is hilarious

"silence brand" moment, but it's a brand i can deal with

[merry talon]

I like denny's

[potent fossil]

they're pretty funny too

[merry talon]

but dbrand actually does cool shit its not just a social media memer