I firmly believe anyone's first day back after being out should be meeting-free
#general
ancient bolt
void void
but the pack doesn't actually load
can someone look at my server.properties ^^ and see if they see something missing?
slim nymph
our mondays are pretty light, just standup and "heres where we are on the roadmap", done in 20 mins
merry talon
I firmly believe anyone's first day back after being out should be meeting-free
unfortunately mgmt probably believes in hosting a grand welcome back meeting
ancient bolt
If your standup lasts 20 minutes you're doing it wrong
ancient bolt
unfortunately mgmt probably believes in hosting a grand welcome back meeting
Usually true :( I'm lucky enough that that's not the case for me now tho
ashen cliff
I firmly believe anyone's first day back after being out should be meeting-free
We had a MS Teams meeting, most of the people there were still dunk. Time spend well.
slim nymph
but we have like 15 people to go through
mossy vessel
When you are starting next week again
ancient bolt
We are pretty strict about maintaining that we don't have meetings on Tuesdays
I should have taken today off too
Then I would have gotten my wish
slim nymph
considering i had to work over vacation ima cut it slack this week lol
3 am production deploy on jan 1st was fun /s
ancient bolt
I technically had to work everyday, including Christmas and new years, to deal with a bug in someone else's code
slim nymph
me and a coworker had to pair up to hotfix a bug lol
ancient bolt
But it was like <5 mins to manually run a script each day on 4 servers
Couldn't deploy the fix because QA wouldn't authorize the build on the last day before winter break
Which like, fair
slim nymph
lol, we didnt even try to ask permission, just did it
ancient bolt
Well rolling out changes here is a pretty big process, but it happens every week so not a big deal
slim nymph
the person i was working with is the head of production support, so he controls deploys anyways
ancient bolt
But not something someone can just do
slim nymph
just had him verify my fix himself in staging
ancient bolt
Here QA is basically like a ship's medical officer. They have the final say on what does or doesn't get deployed, even if the captain (CEO or w/e) wants it done, QA most approve it first
slim nymph
the hell, yall must be small if ceo is involved lol
VP's is our closest exec i guess, but they just drive agenda, we control our own schedules
ancient bolt
CEO is never involved
I was just making an example
VP of engineering is the closest exec who has any control over...well, engineering
But yeah backblaze is a really small company, <150 employees I think
vernal moth
Oh you working for backblaze?
potent fossil
proxi 
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@twin lagoon a local store had persimmons 
twin lagoon
.g persimmons
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Persimmon The edible fruit of a number of species of trees in the genus Diospyros. (https://duckduckgo.com/Persimmon?v=i&kp=1)
left swift
left swift
Haha cuz persimmons looks like permissions I get it haha
cunning raft
not funny didn't laugh
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persimmons are EPIC
visual egret
anyway is there any way to make the time in between you joining and the world loading in faster?
ill send timings
warm anchor
yes by having non potato
visual egret
... on a potato
its a lobby server so i really dont want to put it onto a machine that i could be running something important on
lyric patio
guys can i run a minecraft server with 500 players and 150 custom plugins on a 2003 Toshiba Satellite pls i need to know my mom is giving me it and it has a celeron and 2gb ram
warm anchor
Try using it on newest pi /s
visual egret
yeah no problem should be doable very easily
visual egret
Try using it on newest pi /s
dang it, im 2 models behind
lyric patio
update: you lied to me
void void
hey.. guys so i've tried dropbox AND discord now as server for the vanillatweaks.zip
lyric patio
google drive
void void
it looks like it downloads -- hits 100% screen stops
omg i don't think google drive is going to change anything na?
visual egret
do you have any client side mods?
void void
no
lyric patio
strange
void void
just default texture pack
visual egret
no optifine, no nothing?
void void
fabric
visual egret
fabric with no mods?
void void
sodium
lyric patio
i dont think that would cause a problem tho
void void
they work when introduced client side
visual egret
sometimes it might
if you only have that installed then its probably still serverside
void void
here's my server.properties that looks right yeah?
i've noticed there's no resource pack downloaded in teh folder..
void void
oh no look at teh pastebin
visual egret
the pastebin is...
cunning raft
can you please goto #paper-help for server help
void void
yeah.. can someone follow me in? i asked and is dedd
warm anchor
mental meadow
then wait for a reply
lyric patio
🆗
void void
well i wasn't really sure this was a paper specific issue
if this was*
but yeah okay
void void
gotchu
left swift
Hey simp
potent fossil
For some reason IJ terminal plays windows bell when I run any command 
cunning raft
not his problem
warm anchor
Oskar is that you on a horse
cunning raft
whatever browser you're using is the problem
lyric patio
^
visual egret
im using edge
cunning raft
edge problem then
visual egret
chromium based edge
cunning raft
or an extension you're using
lyric patio
still kinda nasty doe
cunning raft
it's fine
visual egret
no its a good browser
lyric patio
:|
visual egret
i prefer it over chrome now
lyric patio
k
magic river
If you have to use Chrome then Edge is the best way to do it
cunning raft
anyways its an extension problem or just an edge bug
magic river
Use firefox 😄
visual egret
reloading the page fixes it sometimes
cunning raft
i like my data mined
cunning raft
reloading the page fixes it sometimes
prob an extension then
magic river
Or bad RAM or that thing where some major ISP is corrupting the 7th bit of every packet
cunning raft
idk why waterfall has that
next frost
velocity
cunning raft
should be removed like paper
heady spear
@minor badge do u have semlor in norway? :3 they've already started selling them here
they usually start a bit later, but they're so gööd
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what the fuck is semlor
visual egret
i use velocity
bartyrealms is running waterfall
cunning raft
what is bartyrealms
heady spear
cardamom bread with cream and almond paste
heady spear
:3
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yes, fastelavnsboller
visual egret
no idea what this is
cunning raft
neverheard of it
heady spear
ok ok good so you're already well culture
cunning raft
only know partyrealms
heady spear
i don't know either
visual egret
probably died years ago
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visual egret
any idea how i can change this text on velocity?
cunning raft
why would you do that
heady spear
why would you change that lol
visual egret
hmm
minor badge
it's rather easy but Please Do Not™️
visual egret
proxi what are you referring to?
cunning raft
ur mom
visual egret
mean :/
minor badge
changing the velocity thing
visual egret
ah come on i was planning on adding some of my branding there
cunning raft
don't
warm anchor
So the plugin is in your name
minor badge
it's the only way for Paper and Velocity to ask for compensation for the many hours put into the projects; there is no ingame ads, no forced disclosure, nothing like that
what's it do, barty?
cunning raft
ping response iirc
heady spear
Look, customising that looks pretty cool. But this is just about the only branding visible to players and the server software gets nearly no exposure. People put so much work into their projects, this is the least you can give back :]
cunning raft
instead of displaying every supported version
limpid comet
more people asking to change the branding?
there's been like 100 of those questions recently what's up with that
heady spear
Same reason I don't like disabling /plugins
visual egret
stares at snoopa
minor badge
don't think so, barty
heady spear
only do that if you made all of the plugins on your server :3
minor badge
can probably make a plugin for it though
warm anchor
You can just code your plugin to send people message “TIS SERVER IS MADD BY YOUR GOD OSKAR” on playerjoin event if you really want @visual egret
visual egret
i shall do that
unlimited power
party
it takes 2 seconds to make a plugin to do that btw
visual egret
ez
minor badge
seems you were incorrect oskar
warm anchor
OSKAR is god coder guys you don’t under estimate his power
visual egret
pro coder 😎
heady spear
proxi jag kan göra mycket på 2 sekunder ;))))))
quasi valley
varför använder du det roliga språket igen
heady spear
hej kenny<333
quasi valley
HEJ
heady spear
hur mår du Kennyyyyy? :333
quasi valley
jag är underbar!
heady spear
det är du ;]
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quasi valley
woven otter
proa saor yiql
heady spear
stop spamming .
woven otter
it's not spam
heady spear
.
warm anchor
woven otter
exactly my point
quasi valley
no that was city's point
heady spear
proxiiii uwu :'') hur är det med dig???
next frost
city
heady spear
hannesssss
heady spear
tack proxi .
next frost
I just saw you removed jline3 from cloud
woven otter
why do you guys hate english so much
next frost
i am s a d now
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@woven otter tjova mama .
heady spear
I wanna implement it at some point tho lol
woven otter
<@!176340309574156289> tjova mama .
no ur mother
minor badge
WTF
heady spear
ur free to pr it hannes :33
merry talon
I'm at this hole in the wall cafe, decided to try one of their sandwiches
But now I'll never know
minor badge
hole in the wall
merry talon
Because all of my taste buds are gone to the coffee
merry talon
um
minor badge
@heady spear
merry talon
that is a real term
heady spear
uhm wtf i am calling our laywers .
minor badge
how would it be an MCC joke
heady spear
bcuz of hole in the wall .
quasi valley
.
heady spear
minor badge
TIL
heady spear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-f3p56bRJg this is my favourite trailer from them :p
heady spear
narration is 10/10
visual egret
visual egret
what
heady spear
eter nity .
quasi valley
and here I thought I was the one to bully children
visual egret
city
heady spear
no oskar
visual egret
heady spear
the adults are talking
warm anchor
Lol
minor badge
VERY FPS! MUCH WOW!
visual egret
proxi please stop shouting
twin lagoon
what is GOING on
minor badge
michale !
visual egret
proxi is shouting about fps
quasi valley
nothing is GOING on
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twin lagoon
kenny i didn't ASK you
quasi valley
but I ANSWERED anyways
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smolMonkey
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wtf
twin lagoon
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visual egret
no im fine
quasi valley
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tho tbf, it's norwegian and danish too
woven otter
Banana Michael
untold copper
I will bury my failures in a video game.
visual egret
snooopa are you okay?
quasi valley
what video game
woven otter
wtf is that barty
untold copper
32/40 in science exam
visual egret
in blocking /pl on his server
untold copper
snooopa are you okay?
no
untold copper
what video game
valorant
untold copper
In a system where marks determine your worth, I am worth nothing.
woven otter
oh hello barty
visual egret
i dont think snoopa is okay right now
woven otter
are you hiding
magic river
I wish I could get rid of this stupid logo in my sidebar so I could see more channels
minor badge
snoopa's gonna have his life ruined when he figures out how an 80% is a dream later on lol
magic river
...was that a suicide joke?
quasi valley
laughs in 80% fail rate in some maths courses
minor badge
how does a school grade become a suicide joke
quasi valley
maybe amaranth got flashbacks of terrible school grades?
visual egret
my maths teacher scammed my entire class
we were supposed to have 40min of time in the exam
she gave us 35min
magic river
There is a trending hashtag #RIPdream right now
It might be just trolling to spread dox but the claim is that youtuber killed himself
quasi valley
dream as in the mc speedrunner of that whole drama?
warm anchor
Ugh
untold copper
snoopa's gonna have his life ruined when he figures out how an 80% is a _dream_ ...
This was the one exam that I did well
minor badge
so episode #high number of why i hate humans
warm anchor
I don’t follow stuff like that so what happened I only know he’s a kid streamer so maybe ask snoopa or Oskar
visual egret
oh
minor badge
40% is still passing in most countries, snoopa
visual egret
i do not like dream smh
untold copper
PASSING IS WORTH NOTHING YOU MIGHT BECOME A JANITOR IF UR LUCKY
visual egret
warm anchor
Janitor pays fairly well snoopa
minor badge
you're like 13, passing is just fine in whatever grade you're in
quasi valley
omg @mighty storm you are trending on twitter https://i.imgur.com/dSt3hPl.png
magic river
Apparently he got doxxed because he posted a picture of his kitchen and someone went through zillow listings until they found one that matched
potent fossil
i believe highest grade out of all of his classes was 74%
minor badge
my physics class was one of those 50% absolute megamind 50% no mind classes, simple
limber knotBOT
You wot
potent fossil
kek
limber knotBOT
Oh damn a whole 60 and 1/5th tweets
minor badge
i was on the no mind part 😔
limber knotBOT
How do you do 1/5 of a tweet
untold copper
80%
warm anchor
Apparently he got doxxed because he posted a picture of his kitchen and someone ...
Wtf that sounds so ridiculous lol are you sure???
minor badge
this is dream's anti-fan base, eternity
worn ember
Ah yes cancel culture. Do one thing wrong and you might aswel delete your life
magic river
Yesterday, Dream posted a picture of his kitchen to his second Twitter account and using the online real estate marketplace Zillow, some were able to figure out the location of his home residence from the photo alone.
untold copper
EXIF data
magic river
twitter strips exif data
warm anchor
Most site rook out exif data
mighty storm
Discord didn't for videos on iOS until recently
Nope? His main thing was manhunt technically. He's really good at the game. He just.. cheated (with a fuckton of evidence against him)
foggy sorrel
does discord?
quasi valley
why would he cheat in manhunt lol
mighty storm
It's just for fun
I mean sure you can "cheat" but this is multiplayer here; everyone would be affected
mighty storm
I've never watched him but from what I understand he's entertaining
I mean it wouldn't matter
warm anchor
I can put myself in lightweight clsss on boxing and beat all the 8 year old too.... it’s just his enemies ain’t good lol
mighty storm
It's not for any official thing
magic river
I didn't even know who he was until I saw the video from the speedrun moderators
mighty storm
Very likely*
warm anchor
Cheating is bad
magic river
Almost certainly
mighty storm
"People don't cheat [in speedruns] to get a faster time; they do it to get a shorter time, faster"
1 In 1 sextillion if you factor in the blaze rod drops 👀
No, it's different
visual egret
^
mighty storm
In theory everything he did is possible, given enough time. He didn't spend near enough time for it to be possible though
Talking thousands of hours
untold copper
just watch antvenom's vid
mighty storm
Indeed Kenny
quasi valley
no watch Karl Jobst' video
cedar spade
"but it was possible reeee"
mighty storm
I trust someone who has nothing to do with the mc community and everything to do with the speedrunning community far more than vice versa
Avoids any bias
minor badge
the quote is incorrect, actually; 'they do it to get a time, faster', not a shorter time
foggy sorrel
after all it is a block game
visual egret
and pedos
mighty storm
Thank you proxi my memory is a legume
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legume
vernal moth
so, lets bring us down to under 100 PRs again
cedar spade
Dairy fruit
minor badge
machine-maker more like meanie-maker . . . .
magic river
Why watch people react to the paper instead of the video from the people that wrote the paper? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MYw9LcLCb4
untold copper
@warm anchor
cedar spade
Because drah-muh
magic river
🎉 🌯
cunning raft
fast track it into your local trash can
foggy sorrel
haha
coarse lily
Had a brownout and the ONE COMPUTER that wasn't plugged into the UPS of course had important stuff on it.
cunning raft
make an official UNiC Emoji Proposal for pleading taco party
cedar spade
floshed
quasi valley
untold copper
wow valorant looks like actual garbage
vernal moth
how does one use the rcon thing in paper? lol
untold copper
dum lol
cedar spade
what's a chemical
vernal moth
somebody help me with rcon
mossy vessel
Didn't know you also teach.
wild escarp
merry talon
@vernal moth https://wiki.vg/RCON
cedar spade
can't tell if Mini is memeing or serious
magic river
vernal moth
just found that, lets hope theres a nice client, lol
am sorry MD but I wanna merge a Ivan PR
magic river
That's what I think about rcon
vernal moth
so I have to actually test it
cedar spade
💩
visual egret
does anyone know a C# GUI library that actually looks good other than WPF
merry talon
you should be able to use any client library made for the source engine RCON
vernal moth
cause god knows am not relying on ivan testing shit
slim nymph
what you doing mini, trying to import the rcon file?
magic river
rcon is only even in Minecraft because a GSP wrote patch for hmod then sent it to notch and he fixed it up to apply
magic river
query isn't rcon
slim nymph
rcon is remote console commands, GS4 is a ping protocol
magic river
rcon is a shitty terminal, query is like a heartbeat with metadata
slim nymph
well maybe they reuse it for GS4 and RCON
I did need to import one of those files for RCON fix too
magic river
Does DB still have one on his website?
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/kmpm/node-mcquery
merry talon
oh its kinda broken
vernal moth
lets yell at bone
merry talon
ancient bolt
just wait till I merge paperd (when I get around to fixing it) and there's yet another remote thing in paper
vernal moth
Twitter
merry talon
will paperd be an rcon replacement?
ancient bolt
im not even sure what rcon does
magic river
It's a shitty telnet
merry talon
its literally just remote console commands
ancient bolt
okay then yeah paperd will replace it
i built a whole terminal in paperd because I hate myself
merry talon
its not like telnet though because it can't be persistent or anything like that
its literally just send command -> get result
visual egret
why does gta v take so long to load
cunning raft
paperd isn't an rconn replacement
visual egret
im on an ssd too
cunning raft
not made for remote management
left swift
20 year old game
ancient bolt
yeah paperd is intended for locally managing the paper server daemon
untold copper
ur telling me, i cant download multiple things at once with filezilla?
merry talon
oh so it has no remote api
slim nymph
terminal doesnt replace rcon lol.
ancient bolt
I'd have merged it by now if all my time wasn't taken up by paperweight lol
slim nymph
rcon works fine in local networks, just lacks encryption and any brute force detection for auth
ancient bolt
I don't want to deal with the security implications of doing a remote API
just use SSH :p
slim nymph
not really worth doing it at paperd level anyways demon
i wouldnt use it lol
ssh isnt an answer either
need responses
visual egret
if i was making a server panel: do i use SSH or RCON? im assuming RCON is better, right?
slim nymph
rcon fits the job right
well is the panel for personal use where you can control rcon password and panel usage?
visual egret
yup, personal use
slim nymph
public servers shouldnt just enable rcon, it needs to be firewalled off
ancient bolt
how does rcon respond to commands? That's a problem I never solved in paperd
ancient bolt
no that's not what I mean
visual egret
is RCON encrypted?
slim nymph
mojang did
ancient bolt
if you send a command and the command spawns a thread and sends responses to the command sender until who knows when, how do you know when the command is actually completed?
slim nymph
or else yes we did, def doesnt happen for us
slim nymph
full render doesnt block execution
merry talon
pretty sure you just get the first response?
olive marlin
If the onCommand finishes, then rcon returns pretty sure.
slim nymph
atm soon as command method returns, all messages sent to sender.sendMessage is relayed
merry talon
oh maybe that
slim nymph
there is a PR to spigot to enable async command responses
olive marlin
Lucko madea PR a long time ago to fix that.
viral hornet
Aikar 🥺
slim nymph
yeah Lucks
ancient bolt
hmm...i guess I could do the same maybe for paperd
viral hornet
How's diago
slim nymph
being a dog?
ancient bolt
I just added a tail option to paperd commands, so if you want command output you can see the log until you're done
cosmic raft
we have #adorable-pets :)
ancient bolt
just returning after onCommand finishes probably handles 9/10 cases tho
slim nymph
we need to pull lucks PR then base it around how that works too demon
olive marlin
vernal moth
{
type: 0,
sessionId: 1,
hostname: 'A Minecraft Server',
gametype: 'SMP',
game_id: 'MINECRAFT',
version: '1.16.4',
plugins: 'Paper on 1.16.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT: grakkit 4.1.0; LuckPerms 5.2.35; ' +
'WorldEdit 7.2.0-SNAPSHOT+5089-3225ced; spark 1.4.1; Chunky 1.1.21',
map: 'world',
numplayers: '0',
maxplayers: '200',
hostport: '25565',
hostip: '192.168.178.34',
player_: [],
from: { address: '127.0.0.1', port: 25565 }
}
looks nice
if we keep up the speed, we gonna have 700 server patches before 1.17
fallen oracle
I expect no less than 800.
vernal moth
this PR here was made nov 26, had patch number 602, now its 644
ancient bolt
we're gonna need to pause accepting patches and reorganize our patch structure lol
fallen oracle
Can't stop Mini when he's in full force. There's like 9 approved right now.
ancient bolt
we're gonna get to 1000 patches and updates are gonna take 3 weeks of nonstop work
magic river
Time to bust out the fabric-based version
fallen oracle
So what did you have in mind Demon?
ancient bolt
we should write a general artificial intelligence which can handle the patch conflicts for us
magic river
I mean mappings and mixins
vernal moth
well, no obf helpers = less conflicts
magic river
If you're going to fork you may as well switch to a sane setup 😛
vernal moth
paperweight is sane, using mojang mappings!
ancient bolt
mixins would be nice, but replacing 700 patches with mixins would be oof
magic river
More than 700, you have to do all of CraftBukkit and Spigot too
ancient bolt
true
nice thing about mixins is you can implement the bukkit API without the Craft<> classes, do like sponge and make the actual NMS classes implement the bukkit API directly
vernal moth
post hard fork I would propose smth like no patches for api (so merge bukkit, spigot-api and paper-api), per file patches for api impl (again, merge cb, spigot-server, paper-server) and for larger changes, do normal per feature patches
magic river
Start with Lithium, implement the API on top, figure out if any of the non-API stuff is still needed 😛
slim nymph
passing the plugin seems a little.....odd
its so if 2 plugins have async reply, keeping track of knowing when all are done. downside is that if a plugin has 2 async needs, itll be annoying as now they gotta maintain their own counter. ticket based would of been nicer.
ancient bolt
that's exactly what I was saying by odd, yeah
when you register it should give you a closeable object
slim nymph
or wait i didnt review pr i guess the srver could maintain a counter based on plugin too
ancient bolt
put it in a twr and you're done
ancient bolt
@vernal moth most sane way to allow doing per-file impl is to have papeweight create 2 server dirs probably
1 base, 1 with feature commits on top
vernal moth
yeah, something like that
ancient bolt
so you can edit base and rebuild patches separately from the feature patches
but that's pretty messy
vernal moth
1000+ patches is messy too 😄
ancient bolt
yeah
vernal moth
spigot has 100 server patches and 15 api patches, thats pretty insignificant
ancient bolt
What if we did API impl as a separate project
that project could publish the source patches to maven
paperweight would just pull those patches down to form the feature base
vernal moth
two folders, two projects, whats the difference?
ancient bolt
more distinction, cleaner setup having them separate potentially
easier to keep track of which is which, not have things melting into one or the other when they shouldn't be, etc etc
fallen oracle
So how would that make it easier to do updates when needed?
ancient bolt
breaks up the Paper impl into discrete & separate parts
CB/Spigot/Paper API impl in one project, API impl touches a lot of classes but the changes are pretty straight forward for the most part
feature patches separate, these changes are usually small, so easier to maintain, but some of them are big and massively change server behavior or code structure
vernal moth
yeah, would lead to faster updates, as in, we can update api impl first, release it to plugin devs, start working on new api, while some other part of the team deals with the annoying patches
also makes contributing easier
fallen oracle
So does that require a hard fork first?
vernal moth
yes
ancient bolt
so don't hold your breath
vernal moth
as we would merge bukkit/spigot/paper
zealous wedge
it'd be neat to have stacked patch sets
ancient bolt
maybe we'll add a third set of changes on top of that, mixins 😄
zealous wedge
so you could have api impl as one set, then treat all the impl-only features as you'd treat a paper fork today
vernal moth
well, api impl would greatly benefit from mixins
I just dont like the runtime nature of mixins
potent fossil
I have a dumb mode question, if I have a List of something and do something like:
list.stream().filter(...).findFirst().get().someAttribute = blablabla;
someAttribute will be updated in the list and I don't need to go overwrite the list right?
ancient bolt
most of the small patches could be accomplished as mixins very easily and would rarely need to be updated
spiral robin
stream 
ancient bolt
@vernal moth what do you mean?
zealous wedge
yes, all object types in java are passed by reference
potent fossil
thanks babe
vernal moth
arent mixins applied at runtime?
ancient bolt
they are
magic river
Yes, you patch the server at load
vernal moth
so it would reduce startup time
zealous wedge
fabric is talking about some ways to cache mixin application
ancient bolt
technically but not by a significant amount
zealous wedge
who knows how many years it'll take for whatever they do to happen
ancient bolt
mixin application can already be cached, that's dumb
zealous wedge
it's mixin plugins that are the concern
ancient bolt
literally you can set a property to have mixins output the bytecode
vernal moth
theoretically it should be possible to do that shit at compile time
magic river
Caching of some sort has been sometimes mentioned as something Sponge and/or Fabric would like to have, no one has done it yet
zealous wedge
not that
ancient bolt
Oh I do
zealous wedge
IMixinConfigPlugin
ancient bolt
I'd love to allow plugins to use mixins. But they're talking about mixin plugins
vernal moth
oh
zealous wedge
*they're
ancient bolt
sorry
vernal moth
if plugins begin using mixins, it becomes a clusterfuck really fast
magic river
You can have paper.yml control if a mixin ever gets applied at all
So instead of just turning off anti-xray it won't even be in the bytecode if disabled
zealous wedge
doing what sponge does :p
ancient bolt
theoretically it should be possible to do that shit at compile time
theoretically, but not realistically, unless at compile time you actually run it and store the output
zealous wedge
i think what fabric wants is to have a data-driven alternative to many uses of IMixinConfigPlugin
ancient bolt
but a core idea of mixins is that you can have a collection of distinct mixins all applied to the same source (aka mods) so from that perspective it could never be done at compile time
vernal moth
I mean, maybe its worth to use mixins for api impl
we gonna have to do a bunch of manual work to clean everything up anyways, so that wouldnt be a concern really
freezing the paper repo for a week or smth
we gonna freeze for mojmap anyways
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) xkcd: Depth and Breadth (4 January 2021)
ancient bolt
well sponge is still on 1.15 lol, not sure what the holdup is, if it's because they hit a roadblock from too many complications using too many overlapping mixins or w/e
ancient bolt
but if that was the case then surely they would have worked it out by now
wow finally on 1.16
took fucking forever
vernal moth
I think sponge is slow on updating because they actually think about API, right kash?
also maybe manpower, idk
ancient bolt
that's not it lol
ancient bolt
sponge has lost a lot of velocity over the past couple years, hopefully they can pick up what they lost
vernal moth
how do you even update mixins? is there a way to check which mixin doesnt apply anymore?
ancient bolt
yeah mixin will tell you
for simple things the AP can tell you at compile time
for other things the runtime will tell you
mcdev will also tell you a lot of issues at compile time
big rule of thumb is avoid @Overwrite as much as possible, those require manual updating every time
sponge overuses it a little too much sometimes
cosmic raft
mcdev gets angry about * targets I noticed the other day, heh
ancient bolt
it has bugs
I'm not actively working on them right now lol
hopefully earth can go through and fix a lot of them
everyone I know that's worked with mixins (myself icluded) has basically come to the conclusion that working with mixins without mcdev is just an exercise in frustration. mcdev will give you false errors sometimes but for the most part it's just way too helpful to go without
well except for mumfrey, the mixins god
him and his love for eclipse
vernal moth
sponge usage is hard to know since I feel like the "bstats disable rate" is higher on sponge than on paper
ancient bolt
bstats doesn't have any sponge servers > 1.12 lol
cosmic raft
someone just needs to kill all the stupid stats services
vernal moth
why is bstats stupid?
ancient bolt
stats are good
cosmic raft
because a crap ton of people don't let you disable them. they hardcode the "enabled" to true
zealous wedge
i'm not a fan of doing data collection in my plugins in non-exceptional circumstances
cosmic raft
which is why I blackholed the domain locally
zealous wedge
that's a great way to get those plugins banned from bStats
ancient bolt
doing data collection on "there is a user of your code" is perfectly reasonable imo
vernal moth
yeah bastian does a great job of banning those ppl
should EntityTags.ZOMBIES contains ZOMBIE_HORSE?
cosmic raft
no
ancient bolt
yes
vernal moth
great 😄
cosmic raft
no it should not
a horse is not a fucking zombie, its a horse with zombie characteristics
vernal moth
ancient bolt
ZOMBIE_HORSE, it's in the name
vernal moth
this is it currently
zealous wedge
is a zombified piglin a zombie, or a piglin with zombie characteristics?
olive marlin
Same with villager.
vernal moth
am going back and forth on this too
ancient bolt
is a human zombie a zombie, or a human with zombie characteristics?
cosmic raft
a ZombifiedPiglin is a Zombie, yes
zealous wedge
is a human zombie a zombie, or a human with zombie characteristics?
biologists weigh in!
cosmic raft
public class ZombieHorse extends AbstractHorse {
public class ZombifiedPiglin extends Zombie implements NeutralMob {
zealous wedge
implementation detail is not the same as game canon
ancient bolt
...I don't think we're talking about class hierarchies here
cosmic raft
a zombie horse is not a fucking zombie, is the point
vernal moth
oh right its missing drowned
cosmic raft
no zombie ai, etc
zealous wedge
if a zombie horse is just a reskinned horse then maybe not?
cosmic raft
no it isn't
ancient bolt
ignore the fucking code
wide chasm
A zombie horse in the game is basically a reskinned horse, yes
vernal moth
oh god what have I started
ancient bolt
I don't give a shit about that
cosmic raft
it's not a fucking zombie
meager tusk
zombie horse
vernal moth
is it a zombie horse or a skeleton horse?
ancient bolt
ask a kid playing the game if a zombie horse is a zombie and they're going to say yes
vernal moth
or are there both?
zealous wedge
though at the end of the day, if you want to instanceof Zombie you can just instanceof Zombie
and ignore the tags
wide chasm
I mean, it's a zombie, but I wouldn't put it in the zombie entity tags. In that tag, I'd assume to find zombies and "reskinned" zombies: drowneds, zombie villagers, husks, etc.
vernal moth
that at least makes it discoverable
merry talon
this is the funniest shit I've read all week
vernal moth
so you would want everything that has the zombielike model?
mossy vessel
bye
ancient bolt
o/
wide chasm
Well, idk how the model corresponds to other mobs, a zombie looks pretty similar in model to a player, but I wouldn't want a player in there 🙂
cosmic raft
fucking stupid shit
vernal moth
ill just remove the tag from the PR 😂
meager tusk
ez fix, add another tag but it's ZOMBIES_INCLUDING_HORSE 
ancient bolt
im not that emotionally invested in this discussion
meager tusk
ancient bolt
just go with kash's opinion
cosmic raft
like really, it's because there's two things:
topaz mortar
ZOMBIE vs. ZOMBIE_LIKE ?
merry talon
i do think a zombie horse is a zombie
cosmic raft
zombie, and zombie-like
zombies is all the actual zombies
zombie_like is everything like a zombie
meager tusk
cosmic raft
a zombie horse looks like a "zombie", but has no actual zombie AI
so it's not actually a zombie, it just "looks" like one
wide chasm
lore
We're still talking about Minecraft 😉
topaz mortar
undead -> including skeleton, skeleton_horse, zombie, zombie_horse, (witch) ?
meager tusk
damn it 
potent fossil
are we actually arguing over semantics regarding whether or not something is or isn't a zombie, and if so why?
zealous wedge
yes and i don't know
vernal moth
wide chasm
Why is skeleton horse in zombies?
cosmic raft
I would not consider a skeleton horse to be a zombie either
topaz mortar
Wow.
cosmic raft
It's probably a lot more clear to just specify the types explicitly for that tag imo, mini
(ZOMBIES)
you specify 2/4 manually already
ancient bolt
my opinion is really simple - if you want an instanceof check for Zombie then that's exactly what you should do. If you want any entity that is a zombie from a game-design perspective (which includes zombie horses) then that's what should be included in the entity tag. They are separate checks for separate tasks.
cosmic raft
Not a zombie, no
ancient bolt
I don't see the benefit of including only entities that extend Zombie, when java literally already provides you a mechanism for checking for that
ancient bolt
sounds good
topaz mortar
Tags are for UNDEADS
vernal moth
since those mobs have an actual meaning as a group in the game
cosmic raft
works for me
topaz mortar
Happy with that.
minor badge
get fucked
cosmic raft
and?
mossy vessel
Sounds fine
cosmic raft
it'd be great if more places would do that
mossy vessel
Former, ofc.
vernal moth
how do you do @see https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Mob#Undead_mobs in javadocs?
meager tusk
a tag?
cosmic raft
<a href="https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Mob#Undead_mobs">https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Mob#Undead_mobs</a>
vernal moth
ty
cosmic raft
stupdi discord
cunning raft
lul discord doesn't trust you to do url encoding yourself
vernal moth
saying a href would have worked too 😛
cunning raft
dum feature
sour notch
Not sure if this is the right place to ask and sorry in advanced if not. I am creating a new minecraft server written from scratch for primarily mini games. Does anyone want to help with this?
slim nymph
+1 on just doing undead tag, agree tags dont need to be replacements for instanceof
ancient bolt
there is this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1082050/linking-to-an-external-url-in-javadoc#comment69010934_10683345
topaz mortar
Do we have a water based tag?
stiff yarrow
Aquatic tag?
meager tusk
Not sure if this is the right place to ask and sorry in advanced if not. I am cr...
minestom might interest you
magic mesa
If he is doing minigames that rely on bukkit Replacing Spigot/Paper with this will not work since we do not implement the Bukkit API.
stiff yarrow
Can’t cause bugs in production if there is no production
meager tusk
vernal moth
Do we have a water based tag?
now we have
magic mesa
Not on a hiatus per say but just behind on updating to 1.13+
meager tusk
i would have to ask why they need an entirely custom server implementation for minigames
magic mesa
Mhm I'd just stick with either paper or glowstone but keep in mind it's a cleanroom project and some things may not work or be 100% compatible
Also creating you own server implementation is a big undergoing
ancient bolt
unless you're hypixel, you probably don't need to start from 0
vernal moth
(and even they didnt do that)
zealous wedge
the game is still in progress too lol
meager tusk
hytale, how long have they been working on it?
I swear i remember they made a stream in like 2013 or 2014 saying they were looking into making their own game
ancient bolt
i mean, games take years to create
meager tusk
yeah, i just think they released the trailer early, but i guess if they didn't riot wouldn't take such an interest
meager tusk
Ok
spiral robin
Ok
visual egret
snoopa calm down
tulip junco
hi, I'm looking for a way to embed the list of online players on my server's website in the form of avatars (head skins). I know you can query the server for the player list directly, and fetch the skins from mojang skin servers and then magically display them in a nice array. there were working solutions a few years ago but all seems to be discontinued. does anyone know about a working solution that's open for the public? I'm not a developer so unfortunately I can't even imagine where I would start if I wanted to write it myself. thanks!
visual egret
what language are you using?
you have a website right?
what are you running on the frontend and backend?
merry talon
okay but are phantoms really undead
tulip junco
what are you running on the frontend and backend?
I have a simple wordpress website, so I can embed a custom php/html. I can't even say if I name things correctly, I'm a real noob when it comes to any kind of coding
visual egret
ive never done any php, and dont know any proper JS, so i cant really help you lol, sorry
spiral robin
@tulip junco there are some PHP Mc query libraries out there on GitHub. Easy to use
visual egret
i remember when i was new to code i saw something like what you are talking about
tulip junco
that sounds like a good lead, at least I know what to search for, thanks!
visual egret
it does exist, if you look around, youll find it
drowsy urchin
Has anyone used https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/stackmob-enhance-your-servers-performance-without-the-sacrifice.29999/ should I get it because I have a lot of mob farms and it lags the server but I don't want it to ruin the farms.
tulip junco
<@228255985247059978> there are some PHP Mc query libraries out there on GitHub....
it's a github graveyard, but I found some old projects which might work
mossy vessel
You don't want to stack mobs
spiral robin
I know a few, DM me if you need help
drowsy urchin
You don't want to stack mobs
Then what can I do to reduce the lag without destroying the farms?
mossy vessel
.optimize
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
warm anchor
it's really bad because non of them can properly register the mob being stacked.
so it will just continue to spam spawn event
mossy vessel
Non of the stackers I've seen actually bring any benefit
worn crest
think i need to upgrade from my java 8, 1.16.4 minigames servers with 512MB to 1024MB 😕
untold copper
reee this time i came 2nd
worn crest
who do you mean 😄
merry talon
either way why discourage upgrading lol
quasi valley
both of you can't read wtf
untold copper
yes.
untold copper
no free vbuckz
left swift
thats how u got ransomware'd the first time snoopa
potent fossil
anyone use caffeine ( https://github.com/ben-manes/caffeine )? trying to figure out if when I call invalidate(key) that the removal listener is triggered, but I can't see it :L
spiral robin
@waxen panther I think u do? 
brave radish
"'almost never' is an interesting concept"
untold copper
thats how u got ransomware'd the first time snoopa
In my defense, I actually got the vbuckz
:P
left swift
spiral robin
snoopa please stop
worn crest
and galaxis didn't say he wanted to update Java
yeah, but my english is bad ._.
heady spear
lol imagine spending money on vbucks i would never
untold copper
neither would I
warm anchor
what makes it old vbucks snoopa?
untold copper
and I didn't
heady spear
i've deffo not spent way too much on christmas skins
untold copper
old as in I got em a whille back
spiral robin
:o
worn crest
either way why discourage upgrading lol
If I have 15 servers with mostly 512MB and I then upgrade them to 1024MB, it's already about 7GB more. With the bridge, only two players would fit on it, so 1GB RAM for 2 players, my cloud always leaves a mini-game server empty and well.
stiff yarrow
I spend money in free games w/ cosmetics if I no life them (like dota 2)
heady spear
not me
potent fossil
oki yea looks like it is, ignore my q
untold copper
I got vbucks because season 8 battle pass was free
stiff yarrow
If I have 15 servers with mostly 512MB and I then upgrade them to 1024MB, it's a...
are these like low player pop servers? why so little memory
worn crest
pop? whats that
potent fossil
population
waxen panther
anyone use caffeine ( https://github.com/ben-manes/caffeine )? trying to figure ...
It is yes
warm anchor
OMG i's broccolai
warm anchor
worn crest
are these like low player pop servers? why so little memory
yeah, 15 different gamemodes I think. and my cloud leaves one minigame server empty.
and I don't know if I need 1gb for a 2 player minigame server cause its kinda waisting memory
untold copper
streaming pro fortnut
merry talon
unused memory is wasted
spiral robin
@waxen panther @warm anchor 
waxen panther
worn crest
unused memory is wasted
I have too low memory and I must upgrade and calculate it before buying it 😄
warm anchor
OMG ITS ABERDENNER 
magic river
unused memory is disk cache
minor badge
@warm anchor 
waxen panther
all the epic people in chat
spiral robin
Where is mikchael he has been dead
olive marlin
Then stop looking into the mirror.
magic river
aww city can't see me
warm anchor
austere ivy
@waxen panther 
waxen panther
zoom
woven otter
STOP
austere ivy
hm?
untold copper
streaming PRO fortnute gameplay
warm anchor
snoopa if you pay me $10 rn I will go and watch
untold copper
lolno
magic river
woven otter
snoopa if you pay me $10 I will do nothing
magic river
Oh, that one might be too old for this server
warm anchor
Oh, that one might be too old for this server
That's decades before Snoopa's time
magic river
That song is 30 years old
tropic flame
magic river
It'll be playing on the oldies station soon
untold copper
who joind 👀
minor otter
Anyone here good with specs?
minor badge
.dontask
limber knotBOT
warm anchor
Inb4 if XXX CPU is better than YYY CPU
minor otter
welp. My PC broke down and I'm looking to buy an used one in my local area as I need it mainly for school, but also for some gaming (league + warzone). These are the one listed, anyone of them which are good for their price(which are negotiable)
magic river
These are all funny foreign numbers
merry talon
go 3600x
vernal moth
Well, wahrs your budget?
minor otter
like top 1300USD
I dont mind having to use lower grapics on games, as I mainly play for fun 😛
magic river
Last time I looked in to it computers in non-US cost 30-100% more than in the US so that makes it hard to tell if any of those are a deal
merry talon
Yeah even in Canada its rough
magic river
Some of those prices cost more than it'd cost to build that PC new for me
Or, more likely, to build something better with newer generation parts in the same category
minor otter
Any of the specs seem good though?
magic river
16 needs a bigger SSD or HDD added to really game with it but seems good
minor badge
1.3k USD, so like 12k kr?
magic river
I wouldn't get anything 6000 series or older from Intel at this point
austere ivy
@spare venture 
minor otter
am I dumb for thinking that nr. 7 was the best deal?
magic river
There are 2 3600X systems on there, one out of their price range 😛
Oh no that's 2600X
minor badge
are you able to buy from komplett or something, thor?
magic river
Problem with 7 (or any of the non-AMD CPU choices really) is if you ever want to upgrade you have to throw the whole thing away and start over
And their CPUs are slow enough to start holding you back if you upgrade the GPU later
minor otter
Yeah Proximyst, you norwegian as well? 😮 I thought used computers would be a better deal since they are cheaper.