general

[void void]

i see

[vernal moth]

And like, it's 2020, not that ssd storage is expensive

[void void]

that surprises me given the fact i didnt see disk usage of over 10% by MC server

yes, I have SSD i just didnt expect it necessary

[worn ember]

its read times

[vernal moth]

Yeah the latency kills you

[void void]

so optane disk would be creme de la creme?

😂

[vernal moth]

Ppl used ram disks before, soooooo

[void void]

hahahha

[vernal moth]

But yeah that's overkill

A modern ssd is good enough

[void void]

actually, can i just load entire thing from disk to ram from start?

[unkempt drift]

running my mc server on my mac pro with its 1.5TB of ram 🙂

[vernal moth]

You could but mcs world format isn't made for that

It would require insane amounts of ram

And it's not worth it

Chunk loading isn't an issue anymore really

[worn ember]

entities and those dum villagers are

[vernal moth]

The current bottleneck is the main tick loop, if we ever manage to split that up

Oh baby we gotta go fast then

The dream is it to split up a world in region and tick those in parallel

[worn ember]

thats never gonna happen is it

[void void]

reccomended ram allocation for 32 view distance?

[vernal moth]

But God knows if we every manage that

[worn ember]

would be aids to maintain too

[vernal moth]

I doubt your cpu can handle 32gb view distance 😂

[unkempt drift]

32 view distance on a server?

[void void]

yes

[unkempt drift]

if its skyblock its fine 🙂

[void void]

i'll run it locally

i dont have skyblock

[worn ember]

do you want to see the world burn?

[void void]

vanilla server really

come on R7 3700X isn't THAT bad guys -_-

[vernal moth]

Just fyi, big servers are happy if they run at 4 view distance

[worn ember]

i cant even run 32vd on my client

[void void]

hu

i did it plenty of times in past

[vernal moth]

Well how many players we talking?

[void void]

1, i said I'll experiment locally

but otherwise, we play max like 8

[vernal moth]

Oh yeah crank that shit up then

[void void]

😄

how much ram alloc for 32 vd?

would a dev reccomend

[worn ember]

whichever you can spare lul

[vernal moth]

How much do you have?

Give it all you can spare basically ^^

[void void]

16GB total

[vernal moth]

I run my local dev server with 4gb

[worn ember]

i gave my test server about 3gb and its fine tbh

[void void]

this fine?

[vernal moth]

No

[void void]

should minimum be higher?

[vernal moth]

That's not enough

[void void]

lower?

oh

[vernal moth]

.flags

[worn ember]

just set them to the same tbh

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[vernal moth]

Copy that giant ass command line

[void void]

you sure it wont break stuff 😂

[vernal moth]

Set xmx and xms to 3gb or smth for your case I guess

[worn ember]

its meant to improve things

[vernal moth]

These flags have been field proven for a decade on hundrets of thousands of servers

[worn ember]

am quite happy with these stats

first release with bstats too

[next wind]

a perfect use for https://startmc.sh/ 😆

[unkempt drift]

what plugin is this ded?

[worn ember]

rtp kek

[void void]

more ram more better? 🤔

[vernal moth]

A decade of research and experience ^^

[vernal moth]

As long as you stay sane, yes

[worn ember]

ah yes good old iCar

[vernal moth]

If you go above 15gb stuff goes wonky

Need more adjustment then

[void void]

the spaghett you told me to ctrl c v didnt work

[vernal moth]

Make sure the jar file name is right

[void void]

i tabbed 🤷

[worn ember]

:start
echo off
cls
java -Xms1G -Xmx1G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -jar paper-231.jar --nogui
pause
goto start

this is what i use

[vernal moth]

Am going to bad now tho, others will be able to help

[worn ember]

yes old build shut up

[vernal moth]

Also #paper-help

[worn ember]

oh i just realized i added the agentlib in there too for debugging

oops

[void void]

i set Xmx to 6G

yet it shows /4096MB?

is that normal?

[vernal moth]

That's client?

[unkempt drift]

that is client ram usage

[void void]

oooh

🤦

[unkempt drift]

if that's from the F3 screen

[void void]

ye

it's client alright

ok so I'm flying with elytra on pre loaded chunks but the chunks arent loading to view border, I assume that's disk bottleneck?

[unique snow]

Could be net io

[void void]

server CPU utilisation is 6.2%

[unique snow]

Not able to transfer them to the client fast enough

[void void]

net is unlikely because i run locally

I'm pretty sure it's disk cap

any1 in here has a nvme drive /optane?

wanna record some big boi chunk loading

[twin lagoon]

not much to record of that tbh

chunks will load instantly aslong as they're pregenned & mspt under 50ms

[void void]

sounds nice

[worn ember]

Mspt?

[novel horizon]

milliseconds per tick

nvme is a nice to have, not worth paying extra for

[worn ember]

Microsoft PowerPoint

[novel horizon]

if you have ssd, should be fine

maybe on really big server worth a lot more probably

[twin lagoon]

generally not worth buying NVMe over SATA for desktops

[meager tusk]

ok

[twin lagoon]

for servers it just depends on the situation

idriz

[meager tusk]

[limber knot]

[meager tusk]

Michale being a nerd again.

[ashen cliff]

They cost the same now anyway.

[meager tusk]

About nerds ops stuff.

But can't maintain backups properly.

[twin lagoon]

wtf

[void void]

okay but this emoji its on 360FPS for some reason

[meager tusk]

That shit speeds up significantly in the evening for me and idk why

[void void]

huh

[limpid comet]

why does pulseaudio never work

woe is me

restarting works

pog

[twin lagoon]

https://www.tiffany.ca/accessories/desk/everyday-objects-18k-gold-paper-clip-bookmark-35917179/

[plain thunder]

Dang i missed McMMO so much on my server since version 1.11 lol

Its changed.. i remember scoreboards n stuff

Now its boss bars on default..

[ashen cliff]

It will run at 47x anyway.

[cosmic raft]

@twin lagoon wtf

[twin lagoon]

yes

[fallen oracle]

Forgot to go to store today. Guess we're having pizza rolls again.

[spiral robin]

@limpid comet

[limpid comet]

i'll be over in 10 glare, they better be ready by then

[spiral robin]

@limpid comet

[limpid comet]

@limpid comet

[potent fossil]

i suck at ricing but this is someone good. I want polybar to have rounded corners but can't figure it out rn https://i.imgur.com/FPAhqju.gifv

and my colors are just terrible

oh well, this is why i have gnome as well

@limpid comet show your rice

[limpid comet]

its not done

its gettingt here

[potent fossil]

s h o w

are you using i3 or bwspm whatever it's called

[limpid comet]

bspwm

pls dont make fun of me : {

[potent fossil]

wow sexy

I need more customization, my colors are wack and my bar is disgusting

but oh well for now

[cosmic raft]

I don't get it

"rice"?

[potent fossil]

Rice means to customize with the intent of only looking cool, not giving any real performance or ergonomic boost

It comes from cars

[worn pasture]

but why "rice"

[cosmic raft]

yea

why not pizza

[worn pasture]

it's like the plainest thing ever

pizza sounds good

[potent fossil]

Because in cars, they want to make it look like a race car but it only looks like a race car

[worn pasture]

man i'm hungry :(

[potent fossil]

SO we call it a rice car

[cosmic raft]

excuse me turbo

are you calling rice bad

[worn pasture]

no

it's just plain af lol

[potent fossil]

Have you heard of seasoning

[worn pasture]

rice is only good when it's not on its own

[cosmic raft]

I disagree 100%

[worn pasture]

dont @ me

[potent fossil]

That I'll agree with

[unkempt drift]

I just do 1/2 part butter, 1/2 part rice, and its pretty good 🙂

[potent fossil]

You don't eat rice alone (unless it's fried rice I guess, but that's not plain rice, it's mixed with meats and veggies)

[cosmic raft]

I eat rice alone

[potent fossil]

The filipino in me frowns at you

[unkempt drift]

no water? just straight up hard rice?

[worn pasture]

mmm, crunchy

[potent fossil]

You need kanin and ulam, kash

[cosmic raft]

wtf is that

[potent fossil]

kanin is the tagalog word for rice
ulam is the word for food that is paired with rice

:D

[worthy geode]

Do you also eat your pasta alone? oO

[potent fossil]

u wot m8

[unkempt drift]

👀

[worthy geode]

Rice without anything sounds pretty boring

[potent fossil]

let kash be boring

[worn pasture]

i used to eat uncooked pasta

[potent fossil]

don't bully him

[worn pasture]

i was a strange child

[potent fossil]

he is cute

[cosmic raft]

I literally just finished eating rice like 5 minutes ago :p

[worthy geode]

some people also eat it with ketchup. Thats strange

[unkempt drift]

anyone here incorrectly spell ketchup as catsup? just wonderin'...

[limpid comet]

srry i was making my bed

[cosmic raft]

making your bed?

[potent fossil]

that's a very midwestern US thing machine

[limpid comet]

making my bed

[cosmic raft]

making it do what

[limpid comet]

my homework

[worn pasture]

i don't live in usa so i don't call it ketchup at all

[woven otter]

simple rn

[limpid comet]

simple i put my dotvifles on github if u wanna see them

they r awful

but i include a fix for my 144hz display

[potent fossil]

mine are worse i guarantee it

[unkempt drift]

like I understand different pronunciations for words among the accents in the US, but different spellings entirely?

[limpid comet]

my polybar is just the default config stripped down

and removed rounded corners cuz they ugly

[potent fossil]

I couldn't even get my rounded corners to work properly

[limpid comet]

great, i used the volume slider and polybar crashed

[potent fossil]

lmao

@unkempt drift it's mainly people who dropped out of high school

which in the US is staggeringly high

[limpid comet]

and i restarted it and it works perfectly

ok

simple where's ur rice

send me

[void void]

Ok

So how do i know how many dimm slots i got ?

[limpid comet]

u open up the case and check

or if u want the nerd way, some programs can show you like cpuz i think

[void void]

So i really need to Open the case ?

[limber knot]

or go in task manager, it shows there as well

[void void]

Bruh

[limpid comet]

even if you don't have ram in the slot?

[limber knot]

task manager -> performance -> memory

or something like that, I don't use windows

[limpid comet]

me neither lol

i've never seen that tho

even when i did

just how much ram is available

[void void]

So there it will sawy what .

[limber knot]

really? I swear it showed how many slots you had / filled

[limpid comet]

it might do

[void void]

It will say Dimm slots: 4 ?

[limpid comet]

maybe?

open it up and check lol

[void void]

But it would be obiouvs right ?

[limber knot]

it will be obvious

[void void]

Ok

[limpid comet]

there's only so much text that can be crammed into a window

if it's there it's gonna be somewhere in that text lol

[void void]

But what if i already have some ram

[limber knot]

you must have ram for your computer to boot

[void void]

Since i have 16gb ram i guess i have 8x2GB

[limpid comet]

that's not a "what if", you'll need ram to boot (unless you're doing something monstrous)

[limber knot]

so you definitely have some already

[limpid comet]

8x2 or 16x1

or 4x4 even

[limber knot]

you probably don't have 8x2gb, probably 2x8gb

[limpid comet]

oh

[void void]

Most likely 8x2

[limpid comet]

i didn't even misread that

[void void]

But could i take those out ?

[limpid comet]

nah sulu is right i doubt your mobo has 8 dimms lots

you can take anything out

as long as it's not soldered to the PCB (but if you've got a standard desktop, it's probably not)

[void void]

How is a ram connected ? Do i just put it inside like a dvd plate and it just works or do i need to like do stuff ?

[limpid comet]

it goes into the dimm slot

not sure what a dvd plate is

but it's like a pcie slot

[void void]

I mean

Do i just need to put it there and it would work

No more to do

[limber knot]

theoretically, but you want to make sure it is the right kind, and there is a bit more to it

[limpid comet]

yeah you'll want to make sure the timings are the same and that the ram type works for your mobo

you'll need to do some research on your motherboard

[limber knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdukEtSlia0 here is more info about what you need to do

[void void]

So i should do reasearch if my RAM thing i (probably will buy in future) fit or is optimized for my motherboard ?

[limpid comet]

yes

if you're upgrading ram i recommend replacing all of your ram

[void void]

Ok now i know so much more about ram

With replacing ram you mean ?

[limpid comet]

like, remove your old ram and only use the new ram

[plush quest]

anyone willing to help a noob? I bought a pi 4 8gb and wanted to try hosting a ftb server on it. Am i able to use papermc for it? or is papermc only compatible with vanilla?

[limpid comet]

instead of combining ram from different vendors

good luck running on a pi

espceially modded

[zealous wedge]

paper is not compatible with forge

[limpid comet]

if you have an old pc lying around somewhere i can almost guarantee you that you'll get better performance than on a pi

[void void]

So lets say i have 16gb and buy 16gb new should i just throw the 16 gb somewhere and put in the new one/ones?

[limber knot]

but you would not use paper for ftb

It depends mathias, you will need to do mroe research

[void void]

Sure

[plush quest]

i bought a pie for a home security project but i just thought it would be neat to try a minecraft server on it

[void void]

Any recommendations for websites?

[limber knot]

minecraft will not run well on a pi

[plush quest]

not really putting too much stock into being able to get it to work

[void void]

I have seen several but there Are so many

[limber knot]

moden minecraft that is, just search for raspberry pi in #paper-help

[peak ginkgo]

I'm building a phone 🤠

[limber knot]

Mathias there are not really any super great websites that I can think of that cover this in detail. You will need to use google, and there are a lot of videos on youtube about this stuff

[void void]

Ok

Appreciate your help

[woven otter]

coreprotect is still not open-source?

[upper flicker]

half life 3 will be here before that happens

give it up

[woven otter]

that's a long time to wait

[limpid comet]

it's not on github?

i thought it was

cringe

[zealous wedge]

meh we already have Prism which is actually mostly capable of following a license

[upper flicker]

I mean CP does the job

[limpid comet]

yeah i tried out prism a while back it's pretty cool

[upper flicker]

if people wanna use it then yeah whatever

[limpid comet]

nowadays i dont have a use for tracking interactiosn tho

[upper flicker]

but theyve been saying it open source was just around the corner for literally years now

anyone who still believes that is hilarious

if you care about that, be aware, if not, no worries

[woven otter]

code must be really bad if you can't open-source it

[limpid comet]

anyone tried gnome boxes? how does it stack up aainst the calssic virtualbox

[formal turret]

i mean is it obfuscated? you could just decompile it and see if it's bad or not

[upper flicker]

gnome boxes is very simple

but it works fine

[stiff yarrow]

.g gnome boxes

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes -- Apps/Boxes - GNOME Wiki!: "Oct 24, 2018 ... About Boxes. A simple GNOME application to view, access, and manage remote and virtual systems. Install Boxes. easily-access.png ..."

if you want more but still kvm/qemu check out virt-manager

[upper flicker]

^

you can even just make your "advanced" changes in virt-manager then use gnome-boxes day to day if you want

since its all wrapping the same underlying tech

[limpid comet]

alright cool

thanks guys

windows is now a linux app

wow gnome boxes seems super solid

[potent fossil]

:(( I'm trying to get my spotify-status to update and display with figlet, but figlet receives a static string after the command substition. I wonder if there's a way to get this to work properly
watch -n1 -x figlet -tc $(spotify-status -f "{artist}: {song}") | lolcat

When I run that, watch runs but it just runs figlet with a static string so song never updates. Spotify-status is never rerun

and if I watch -n1 spotify-status then figlet fucks up horribly

pure sad moment.jpg

[limpid comet]

isnt figlet the big fuckoff text generator

dude i love bspwm (or maybe just linux) switching desktops while a program is fullscreened (csgo) is instant

[potent fossil]

yes

[limpid comet]

on windows there's a noticable deplay

incredible

i'm surprised with how much im enjoying this

[waxen panther]

yes

how it should be

[limpid comet]

i guess last time i tried this (i3 a few years ago) i didn't have the troubleshooting skills i have now

[waxen panther]

ur a big boy now uwu

[potent fossil]

It looks hot but I want the song to update in the terminal :(
https://owo.whats-th.is/2jQgu7y.png

[limpid comet]

i know it's so exciting

oh fuck based

[potent fossil]

but I can't get it to update properly with watch

maybe watch is the wrong thing to use

[limpid comet]

isn't there a way to repeatedly run something in the bg and return it

[potent fossil]

watch

[limpid comet]

yeah but why is it a static string then

[potent fossil]

cuz the command replacement i guess

[limpid comet]

maybe it's something wrong with the figlet call?

[potent fossil]

yeah, figlet gets a static string and watch just keeps calling the replaced figlet command

but if i watch spotify-status and then pass that output to figlet shit gets fucked

cuz I believe watch has its own formatting

i wonder if watch can just print a string without extra shit

[limpid comet]

hm

well, my knowledge of bash only goes so far

[solid pulsar]

i forgot where do i get 1.8.9

also no api shit

just post the link i know u have i

t

[limpid comet]

ctrl+f 1.8

[solid pulsar]

the link to the download page

Let's create another making your first plugin guide for netbeans and Minecraft 1.8 that only works half of the time

thats not it

[limber knot]

1.8.9 does not exist

[limpid comet]

you have to know i wasn't referring to that

[limber knot]

get 1.8.8 from the legacy page

[limpid comet]

paper 2.0

[solid pulsar]

1.8.9 is on my client

[limpid comet]

<@&748618676189528155>

[solid pulsar]

what

[sharp sentinel]

?warn @solid pulsar Using ableist language

[leaden oxide]

BLOODMVP#9563 has been warned. || Using ableist language

[solid pulsar]

oh

[limber knot]

1.8.9 was a client only release

they released a server, but it just changed the version that was printed out. Go download 1.8.8, but keep in mind it is unsupported

[limpid comet]

ok urxvt is annoying me

time to switch

what cool term emulators are ppl usign

[limber knot]

alacritty

because wayland

[limpid comet]

i have that installed

i forgot i installt aht

thanks fr remindng me

[potent fossil]

it works \o/ https://owo.whats-th.is/7JPcYTv.png

[limpid comet]

christ, gnome-boxes is honestly really good

i'm starting to think 2021 might be the year of the linux desktop

[spark spoke]

Hi how to compile paper with "./paper jar" all changes are not applied?

[limpid comet]

dont spam ur question

u already asked, when someone sees it in the correct channel they will answer

[spark spoke]

sorry

[limpid comet]

SIMPLE P10K IS SO AWESOME

THANK U

[coarse lily]

I dig Ratatat

[spiral robin]

Startmcdotsh will help

[potent fossil]

ur welcome bby

[waxen panther]

everyone nows about p10k

smh

[limpid comet]

dude its so nice wtf

alacritty works great too

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP BABY

[potent fossil]

urxvt or bust

[tropic flame]

imma be honest

[zealous wedge]

nah alacritty is where it's at

[limber knot]

^

[potent fossil]

bad

[tropic flame]

after spending some time working with Sponge's API, bukkit's feels like it was made for babies

[potent fossil]

yeah i don't think anyone disputes that bukkit is trash

[zealous wedge]

well back in 2011 we were all babies

[waxen panther]

🥺

[tropic flame]

yeah it is lol

[sharp sentinel]

I just love how much of the API was designed by sk89q

[tropic flame]

some stuff might be simpler but with Sponge i actually feel i rely on something solid

[zealous wedge]

ah yes, exactly enough of the api to implement his plugins

[waxen panther]

all stuff everyone here is very aware of

no one wants to write bukkit plugins but here we are

[formal turret]

fabric plugins

[sharp sentinel]

Best part is half the API things he wrote, he also then added hacky workarounds to resolve issues with in his plugins

[zealous wedge]

heh

yeah, bukkit froze very quickly

[sharp sentinel]

He did the same with Sponge (I did too to an extent), but nowhere near as much as with Bukkit

Biggest annoyance with that tho is that Sponge's API uses the same name for most of the classes as the WorldEdit API does

[tropic flame]

is it worth it to shade Configurate in my bukkit plugin and use it instead of bukkit's thing? because I absolutely want to do that

[sharp sentinel]

If you do, relocate it

[waxen panther]

if you want to lol

[tropic flame]

yes I'm relocating it

[formal turret]

i mean if you're more familiar with it

[sharp sentinel]

Bukkit's config stuff is awful, so I'd recommend it if you want to

[formal turret]

i started writing my configs in GSON instead of yaml because i don't like the bukkit config system anymore

[sharp sentinel]

If you use a different format you'll annoy server admins tho

So generally stick to YAML for Bukkit

[tropic flame]

not like HOCON is very hard but yeah you're right

[waxen panther]

one day they'll come to accept the superior hocon 😔

[formal turret]

for me the logic is so much of the game is based in JSON now it'd be good to use it

[vestal jasper]

@waxen panther wishful thinking

[waxen panther]

yeah fr

even camm doesn't like hocon lol

hopefully bukkit is dead by then anyway

[vestal jasper]

camm's actively against hocon

[waxen panther]

he is very passionate about it

[sharp sentinel]

What's wrong with hocon

[waxen panther]

no idea

i love it

[tropic flame]

it has brackets

i guess some people hate them

i hate JSON because of all the mandatory double quotes so I find HOCON nicer tbh and I like brackets so that's a plus over YAML

[sharp sentinel]

HOCON is also less strict than YAML

Which is nice

Also YAML has brackets too, they're just optional

[tropic flame]

oh

yeah, it's not like everyone uses them lmao

[sharp sentinel]

carpet: {
  test: {
    car: red
  }
}

That's valid YAML

[zealous wedge]

lol i just hate the hocon library i use

the spec is kinda yikes too

but the format itself is pretty ok

[tropic flame]

that's some nice looking YAML, i should start doing that from now on

[sharp sentinel]

AFAIK, all JSON is valid YAML

YAML is a strict superset of JSON

[zealous wedge]

the only thing is you can't put block collections inside flow collections

but you can put flow collections inside block collections

yaml is way more powerful than people give it credit for, like this is a small file i did recently:

plugins:
  ca.stellardrift.opinionated.fabric: &op 4.1
  ca.stellardrift.configurate-transformations: *op
  net.kyori.indra.publishing.bintray: 1.2.1
  com.github.fudge.autofabric: 1.1.1
  com.github.ben-manes.versions: 0.36.0

versions:
  mc: 1.16.4

dependencies:
  # Fabric
  minecraft: {group: com.mojang, name: minecraft, version: 1.16.4}
  yarn: {group: &fabMC net.fabricmc, name: yarn, version: 1.16.4+build.7}
  loader: {group: *fabMC, name: fabric-loader, version: 0.10.8}
  fabricApi: {group: net.fabricmc.fabric-api, name: fabric-api, version: 0.26.3+1.16}

  # Other libraries
  checker: org.checkerframework:checker-qual:3.7.1

bundles:
  loaderAndApi: [loader, fabricApi]

[woven otter]

yaml comments 😭

[zealous wedge]

@woven otter https://github.com/SpongePowered/Configurate/pull/175 here you go :p

[sharp sentinel]

That's one thing I dislike about the bukkit config impl, no comments

[zealous wedge]

it's a pain to do comments in snakeyaml

[sharp sentinel]

I've been using sk's YAMLProcessor for so long that I always forget the bukkit one doesn't have it

[zealous wedge]

i think i hacked something into the WE config library for comments

but it's not nice

[tropic flame]

doesn't Configurate also remove the comments if you set something?

with YAML that is

[zealous wedge]

it's a snakeyaml thing

[woven otter]

😦

[sharp sentinel]

Oh, zml is the one who made the YAMLProcessor comments 😛

Thanks zml

[tropic flame]

oh ye

[zealous wedge]

oh it looks like i stole it from zPerms

[limpid comet]

t

[worn pasture]

pex is just a frankenstein of other permission plugins

UltraLuckyGroupPermissionsManagerSex

[potent fossil]

PermissionSEX!

[worn pasture]

/manload

[potent fossil]

:O

is that an actual pex command

[worn pasture]

it's a gm command i think

[potent fossil]

who the fuck made gm

[potent fossil]

god damn it

[timber panther]

Does paper favor intel CPU's even if theyre slower in single threaded performance than AMD CPU's?

[zealous wedge]

paper doesn't really favor any CPUs

[limber knot]

The answer is does your Java JVM do that? And the answer is still no.

[cunning raft]

i mean unless you got the latest amd shit, intel still preforms better single threaded too

price to perf is a bit wack

[spiral robin]

Why does Papermc run bad on my and athlon

Help

[limber knot]

Jroy, accounted for microcode and mitigation patches?

[cunning raft]

yeah

the latest amd cpus finally beat them tho

amd is king for now

[stiff yarrow]

aren't the new apple chips supposed to be ridic

[cunning raft]

lol no

in their power class, sure

[spiral robin]

They're insane

Rlly good

[stiff yarrow]

pretty sure they murdered intel/amd on some benchmarks

[limber knot]

They indeed are insane. Not now, but x86 is up for real competition within the next 5 years

[cunning raft]

LTT did a video

they're not murdering anything rlly

besides really specific workflows, they're gonna preform worse than x86 stuff

[limber knot]

not murdering anything

ST almost on par with Zen 3: https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119342.png

[cunning raft]

besides really specific workflows, they're gonna preform worse than x86 stuff

[stiff yarrow]

I don't really feel motivated to upgrade my mac but one day I guess I will

looks like they don't have a macbook pro with an m1 yet

[cunning raft]

wouldn't say it's a good idea to buy m1 anyway

i'd wait this one out till they get better

[limber knot]

At this point, define "specific workload"? The ST performance is the defining parameter of an architecture, for the MT workloads: power limits, asymmetric cores, cache limitations

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/2

[cunning raft]

https://i.imgur.com/YXDUe4g.png
https://i.imgur.com/zWL5HLJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/4WCI6zz.png
https://i.imgur.com/cF7WZ3u.png
https://i.imgur.com/m8gTYNY.png
https://i.imgur.com/bTHXX5K.png

[limber knot]

I'm not saying its great now, but they're on track

[short yarrow]

Is connection pooling one of those things I shouldn't use unless I need it?

[limber knot]

And you're again posting MT benchmarks for a mobile 4+4 cores chip

(it is 4+4 right?)

[upper flicker]

it’s 4 lower power + 4 higher power

[cunning raft]

something like that

[upper flicker]

but they can run at once yes

frankly the performance per watt beats the pants off of everyone

it will be interesting to see what they do when they aim for a performance chip

[cunning raft]

but z!

it's the world's fastest cpu core!

[upper flicker]

wat

I haven’t seen anyone serious claim that

though I wouldn’t wipe my ass with anything out of LTT today

[limber knot]

Hydraxus if to be compared to DB servers, you'd always want connection pooling

[cunning raft]

it was apple's claim lmfao

[upper flicker]

anandtech’s review was pretty solid, they’re super wide architecture is paying off nicely

no it wasnt

[cunning raft]

marketing claim

[upper flicker]

they had some awful marketing graphs and compared it to “the average PC cpu” without naming the cpu

and we know how shit the average pc is

[unkempt drift]

Didn’t they say “in it’s class” which can be defined like a zillion ways

[cunning raft]

https://youtu.be/5AwdkGKmZ0I?t=530

z

[upper flicker]

I’m more interested to see where they go from here and how intel responds

given the dumpster fire that is intel

it probably is in xyz task set

[cunning raft]

oh yeah no doubt

i was being sarcastic

[upper flicker]

marketing is marketing though, whether it be apple, amd, intel, or nvidia

those graphs they put out were the real travesty

if it gets intel to re-examine their shit show, or qualcomm or any other arm soc manufacturer to actually get in the game though, it’s all wins

even if you reeeeeee apple reeeeee

[cunning raft]

at some point you have to think intel must have some bombshell in their damn lab

they've spent, what, the last 5 years with platform refreshes

[upper flicker]

idk you would’ve thought they’d done that by now

[cunning raft]

fuckin milling out parts of their IHS

[upper flicker]

one of their last big announcements about single thread performance they literally had the chip cooled with ln2

so who even knows anymore

[cunning raft]

yeah i saw that lmfao

[upper flicker]

nvidia is kind of the king of that stuff

“wow competition is getting really close, Jim go pull something off the shelf in the lab”

[cunning raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So7TNRhIYJ8

[upper flicker]

right back on top

[limber knot]

Jensen, not Jim

And this time they must've miscalculated their competition

[cunning raft]

AMD GPUs have been a giant meme till this year

while now they're just a small meme

interesting to see what will happen with actual competition in the GPU space tho

[upper flicker]

interesting to see when people will be able to get them *

[limber knot]

I think if not for Samsung nVidia would've easily cracked the new AMD GPUs

[cunning raft]

i mean nvidia still has the better gpus

even at a price to performance ratio

nvidia probably just didn't release amd would have a serious offering this soon

[warm anchor]

Yeah man

[stiff yarrow]

weren't the new AMD gpus better

than what nvidia has out

[formal turret]

i think they were way more competitive but nvidia had the edge still

[worn pasture]

messages go brr

[formal turret]

barty is that you

[worn pasture]

[topaz geyser]

how come /give @a diamond 1 does not work

using papermc

[worn pasture]

and what else

[topaz geyser]

that's all

essential too

[worn pasture]

so essentials is overriding the give command

[formal turret]

do minecraft:give

[worn pasture]

you can't use selectors with that

[unkempt drift]

Does essentials support target selectors? I don’t think so

[worn pasture]

^^^

[ancient bolt]

@stiff yarrow competitive / better in terms of rastorization, but AMD doesn't come close in ray tracing

and that's unclear if it really even matters for the 2 games which support ray tracing

[lean kiln]

the AMD cards are much more power efficient as well

[ancient bolt]

also unclear if it's just one of those things where the games are simply optimized for RTX and if ray tracing performance for AMD will jump considerably once it's optimized for that platform

only time will tell there

rtx has had like what, 2 years for games to build for it?

and still almost has no titles except for minecraft lol

[formal turret]

well first gen ray tracing for amd 2nd gen for nvidia too

[ancient bolt]

I'm waiting to see how the 3rd party AMD cards do, since the reference cooler is pretty bad

but idk if the better ray tracing performance is enough to keep me on nvidia for my next GPU considering how much better AMD cards run in linux as well

[topaz geyser]

minecraft:give worked thank you very much

[ancient bolt]

ray tracing is in a weird spot because these cards are marketed as "4k 60fps" cards but that totally falls apart as soon as you enable ray tracing in any supported game...which is the other thing these cards are marketed for

so the 2 selling point of these cards directly contradict each other

then if you say, well I don't care about ray tracing, then there's little reason to stick with nvidia anymore

yeah right now if you can actually successfully order anything you're lucky lol

I haven't seen a single 3080 in stock anywhere since it came out yet

[left swift]

what about a double 3080

maybe they're seeing someone

who knows

i came up with 2 jokes and decided to go with both at the same time instead of choosing one

i think it worked out well

[formal turret]

i'm tempted to buy a 3080 but my 1080 i bought used still runs everything i care to run just fine

[ancient bolt]

I'm currently playing most of my games fine on my 1070 so literally anything I upgrade to will be a massive jump for me

[formal turret]

and if i buy a 3080 i of course need to upgrade everything else so that'd be 1600+ dollars lmao

[void void]

paper mixin when

maybe no mixin unless spigot team uses better mappings...

[short yarrow]

When working on a project outside of minecraft. If your project/app needs a config, do you guys use a library like maybe configurate or do you do something simple like using Gson/Jackson and serializing and deserializing a config object and be done with config.

[void void]

I use Gson

but in Spigot related projects people like YAML

so I sometimes go SnakeYAML

[lean kiln]

Configurate is good if you want something more full featured but gson/snakeyaml will work just fine for basic config loading and saving

[short yarrow]

been thinking of snakeyaml, but using gson is probably easier or if I want yaml maybe I can use configurate. Haven't tried it yet

[lean kiln]

I'm a fan of configurate personally

if you use it the serializers are interchangeable for yaml/hocon/other

[worn pasture]

don't tempt me

[void void]

How big is Configurate size?

especially if you include it in a single jar

[lean kiln]

Why does it matter?

its around 300-400kb depending on which platforms you shade though (gson, hocon, yaml, etc)

[void void]

because you want to use it in your mod or plugin

[lean kiln]

yes...

[worn pasture]

pretty happy with my 2070 anyway, probably won't upgrade until 50 series

[lean kiln]

even if it was 1mb, it's not like that matters

guice is almost that size

[void void]

idk why i dislike big jar file

but it's just my prefer

[formal turret]

same, hate shading things in

[void void]

i feel very bad for including SQL libraries to reach 45KB file size once

[lean kiln]

over 10mb is kind of large ill be honest

[worn pasture]

just download deps at runtime

[lean kiln]

but even then its usually "fine"

[formal turret]

does it even affect performance to have a large jar size

[lean kiln]

no

[short yarrow]

I dislike things just because I just dislike it too lol. No real reason

[worn pasture]

users will often complain if it's a large size though

[formal turret]

will it use more ram?

[lean kiln]

more classes will need to be loaded

[formal turret]

i'd assume it does

[worn pasture]

oomg dis ploogun is 50mb it must laag my serber

[lean kiln]

but thats not from the normal memory pool

[void void]

Maybe class meta gc affects more

[formal turret]

heres one, how does java handle duplicate classes? like if you have multiple plugins shading in the same dependency

[void void]

first loaded classes are used if there are multiple

[lean kiln]

competent developers are expected to relocate shaded dependencies

but yeah first one will be used

which can cause issues (when multiple plugins don't relocate/don't relocate somthing like gson)

[void void]

NoSuchMethodError

[formal turret]

ok, so if you relocate it won't load them again?

[lean kiln]

if I relocate my dependency from com.google.gson.Gson to xyz.myapp.com.google.gson.Gson it will only load mine

no one else will have a xyx.myapp.com.google.gson.Gson class

(hopefully lol)

[formal turret]

is that the proper way to do the relocation? xyz.myapp.com.google.gson.Gson

[lean kiln]

you usually just want to relocate the dependency into your applications namespace

to avoid collisions

in maven or gradle you would specify packages to relocate ie com.google.gson -> xyz.mysite.myapp.dependencies.gson

[formal turret]

hmmm ok, thanks for the info, really in the past i've just tried to avoid having to shade in things because of some notion that i'd be wasting a bunch of extra ram

or if i had to use, say, configurate i'd make a core plugin and put it in there and have the other plugins reference it so you only shade it once

[short yarrow]

Is the purpose of relocating also to prevent version conflicts?

[lean kiln]

yes

[void void]

omg

i just noticed my plugin is more than 5MB

because i shaded libraries

    implementation 'org.apache.commons:commons-lang3:3.11'
    implementation 'org.apache.commons:commons-collections4:4.4'
    implementation 'commons-io:commons-io:2.8.0'```

[lean kiln]

lol

[formal turret]

also hate how long it takes to compile if you shade things in

[void void]

only 5 seconds or so idc

[formal turret]

because i get easily distracted, but that's more of a personal problem

[lean kiln]

gradle is faster than maven at least

for me

[void void]

^ true

5MB jar file = 20MB unzipped

so bad...

[void void]

@slim nymph my bad for tagging but I just saw your twitter feed and you also seem to be an advocate for ketosis-based consumption / low-carb? If so that’s awesome to see like-minded people in the community especially nutritionally.

[spiral robin]

Eating healthy is pog

Right aikar?

[slim nymph]

Yeah we have a channel I try to teach people at #nutrition-science

[void void]

That’s crazy

I’ve been on low carb / carnivore for like 2 years nearly

How long you been on it?

[slim nymph]

Combined probably 4 or so, this is round 3, aiming for long term now

[void void]

Damn, that’s genuinely crazy lol, I wouldn’t expect anyone from the development side of things enter that realm of nutrition; are you doing out of any particular reason or?

[slim nymph]

Weight loss but also long term health, scary when you learn how wrong the general publics knowledge on nutrition is

[void void]

I’m actually glad someone agrees

[slim nymph]

Tons of people and doctors do :p

[void void]

It’s sad when people think cereal and olive oil are considered healthy for consumption

Cereal is definitely a no-go.

I’m assuming you don’t cheat or take any false-sugars like sativa or polyalco’s?

stevia* not sativa

[slim nymph]

Switch to #nutrition-science

[potent fossil]

incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic no one had a chance to interrupt it was quite hypnotic

https://youtu.be/bl5TUw7sUBs?t=155

why are you asking in paper

[void void]

Ehy guys...

i know this is not paper related

but does anyone play TeKKit modded

https://www.technicpack.net/modpack/tekkitmain.552547

I have a network with bungee and was wondering if it's worth the effort and money adding a backend server for modded players

[merry talon]

you're... asking us for help with a business decision?

whilst providing no additional information

that's a solid 'idk'

[vernal bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L5JexwdsKg&ab_channel=MentalOutlaw

🤔

[untold copper]

anybody know why this is happening

im confusion

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2020-12-01_10-37-52.png

Amazing.

[viral hornet]

@twin lagoon 🥺

[twin lagoon]

🥺

2288g 🥺

[viral hornet]

Alpha pass 🥺

This month is going to be great 🥺

[twin lagoon]

frick off camm

🥺

[kindred stratus]

Hey there people

[void void]

so i tried to use RAM disk for my mc server to see if chunkload would be faster

but it actually wasn't noticably faster than ssd

[vernal moth]

Yeah

[void void]

not entirely sure if i did it wrong or if disk isnt the bottleneck

[vernal moth]

When I said ppl did that before, that was before ssds were a thing, just fyi, lmao

Am old, ok?

[void void]

me 2

🙂

on that topic

what on earth is my bottleneck then

at chunk loading

32 vd

cpu isn't 100% loaded, chunk loading is supposedly multi threaded

disk is ramdisk, should be fast enough

[vernal moth]

Just because it is able to use multiple threads doesn't mean it can use 100%

[void void]

maybe cap in how many threads it can utilise?

[chrome quest]

Hello.

[untold copper]

hai

[chrome quest]

If I wanted to delete specific chunks in minecraft could I just have to delete them out of the region folder? Or do I need to also do other stuff?

[untold copper]

there's a command

[chrome quest]

What command?

[untold copper]

1 min

[golden gust]

async just means that it's gotta jump across thread contexts a ton

Like, you have a 32vd

That means that the server needs to dispatch of all the loads for that 32vd, as well as deal with stuff changing in the meantime, like, if you move around, you're pushing chunks in the queue, existing chunks in the queue have to be reprioritized, which involves lots of jumping around with mojangs system, etc

[untold copper]

@chrome quest there was a command to mark the chunk to be regenerated on startup, however I cant find it atm

[golden gust]

at 32vd, if your hardware can take it, you're likely pissing off the chunk system more than actually working the CPU loading chunks

[chrome quest]

I would like to reset the end, but keep everything on the main island.

[golden gust]

you mean, just the end world?

[untold copper]

then you have to mark ALL generated chunks manually

[golden gust]

if so, just delete the end world

[chrome quest]

Yes.

[untold copper]

no, just outer regions

[golden gust]

Oh, well, if you can get away with deleting whole regions, that

[chrome quest]

I only want the outer islands to be deleted while everything done on the main island be kept

[golden gust]

otherwise you're gonna need something which is capable of looking at chunks and deleting their outsides

[untold copper]

mcedit?

[golden gust]

wb used to have something that could be abused for that, no idea if it still exists in there or not

[untold copper]

Cat, is there any way to completely remove vanilla advancements?

advancements i meant*

[golden gust]

spigot.yml

[chrome quest]

Can I just delete all the files in the region folder except the 4 regions for the main island?

Will Minecraft be okay with that?

[golden gust]

yes

might need to kill the poi files too if they exist for those regions, no idea

am breakfast shop

[untold copper]

thanks a ton cat 🙂

[wintry sequoia]

Was up

[untold copper]

im adding custom advancement slol

Cat, is there any way to modify vanilla advancements?

[mental meadow]

this is new

[untold copper]

No its not

[compact pulsar]

it is

Launcher is now updated

[untold copper]

I see

My bad

MultiMC is amazing so im using that lol

[compact pulsar]

Now Minecraft Dungeons can be launched directly from this launcher, maybe they'll add Bedrock soon.

[untold copper]

Lets hope not

[limpid comet]

why not, sounds pretty convenient imo

[untold copper]

👀

@limpid comet

[warm quest]

Hey does anyone know how i can remove all spawners from my world, its already pregenerated

[olive marlin]

I do that quite frequently. Deleting regions work just fine. I have my script first delete regions, leaving roughly what I want. And then trim it down a bit further with mcaselector.

[chrome quest]

I did it and it seemed to work.

Since I was working out of a terminal I just moved the 4 files I wanted to keep out of the folder. Deleted the folder, made a new one and put those files back in.

[vernal moth]

freelancing be like

https://i.imgur.com/9kA2uwi.png

"no I don't want to work for you right now"
"if you ever want, remember, I got dem moneyz!"

anybody got experience with building a voice chat solution? I might have a job for you 😛

[mental meadow]

sure let me quickly download discord on their computer

[golden gust]

I mean

Not even discord built a voice chat solution...

[vernal moth]

Or integrate or whatever

https://twitter.com/MojangStatus/status/1333720519028445184?s=19

Mojang Status (@MojangStatus)

Purchasing for Minecraft Java Edition is currently offline. We’ll update you when this is resolved! - JP

Likes

197

Twitter · Dec 1, 2020, 10:32 AM

Seems like they are starting to migrate to MSA

I bet new accounts will be MSA once this is done

[minor badge]

@vernal moth hello mr adult man

what the fuck is this outlet supposed to be

[twin lagoon]

coax?

[woven otter]

it's an alien

[vernal moth]

cable/sat

[zealous wedge]

tv

[minor badge]

ooh ic

[vernal moth]

its for tv, some boomer tech nobody uses anymore

unless you use cable for internet I guess

[twin lagoon]

imagine not using cable for internet

[vernal moth]

imagine not using fiber

[minor badge]

theres a preinstalled router here

[untold copper]

sup bois

[zealous wedge]

last time I used one of those connectors was with a crt TV

[twin lagoon]

one day i'll get better internet than my current 500/50

[minor badge]

just waiting for ikea to show up now

[golden gust]

back in my days

[minor badge]

which is anytime between next hour and in 5 hrs

[twin lagoon]

proxi 😔

[zealous wedge]

at least Ikea delivers for you

[vernal moth]

do they build it for you? or are we going to get a "proxi struggles to build ikea furniture" stream? 😄

[zealous wedge]

omg proxi livestream

[minor badge]

no stream but i will send pictures

[twin lagoon]

room tour proxi

🥺

[minor badge]

i need the taxation agency to hurry up for a stream to happen

[zealous wedge]

hey taxation agency

[minor badge]

its just empty michale

living room is just an even larger void

[golden gust]

wtf is that lense

[minor badge]

panorama mode on the camera app

[vernal moth]

am already jealous of that balcony

[golden gust]

or is the world actually collapsing into an alternative reality?

[zealous wedge]

oh wow it matches my heart

[minor badge]

i also have a garden mini

[golden gust]

zml, there's somebody out there for you

[vernal moth]

I have a giant as garden I guess

[golden gust]

you'll find the.... oh, they just got hit by a bus, nvm

[zealous wedge]

lol

[minor badge]

they left the "up" stickers on the shower thing

[zealous wedge]

I say as if I didn't just have a discussion about moving in with someone in a gay way

[minor badge]

so now i know which direction the shower is 😎

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/w4EN4wS.png

I guess this all counts as my garden 😄

[golden gust]

Proxi is the type of person who'd still manage to fuck it up and be in the shower upside down

[zealous wedge]

that'd be some talent

either handstands or antigravity

[golden gust]

(That's why they left the sticker, yea, "she's from norway, you know what they're like")

[vernal moth]

should ask @quasi valley for tips

[minor badge]

apparently the plates and whatever the grid thing is called in english to put in the oven are included

[zealous wedge]

oh neat

[golden gust]

wire rack?

[minor badge]

sure

[zealous wedge]

or more like baking sheet?

[vernal moth]

added 1333 packages from 969 contributors, removed 1 package and audited 1336 packages in 97.092s

ok then

[zealous wedge]

normally oven racks are part of the oven and baking sheets are separate

[golden gust]

Well, you generally have the shelve racks, and then baking trays

[minor badge]

oven racks yes

[zealous wedge]

oh nothing fun then

enough for take & bake pizza tho :D

[minor badge]

aa

i think

the sink has a soap dispenser?

[zealous wedge]

hooray

[vernal moth]

fancy

[zealous wedge]

is this a nicer sink

[minor badge]

yes

[zealous wedge]

good

[vernal moth]

man, getting a KVM switch sure has improved my homeoffice life

[minor badge]

so i take it i have to buy my own thing for cutlery "categories" in the drawers?

[golden gust]

Well, I mean, what's there is generally "what came with the appliances" and "what people just threw in the cupboard and never took with them"

[mental meadow]

yea

[zealous wedge]

ya Ikea has a pretty good one

[mental meadow]

IKEA has those

[minor badge]

this is new, cat

[mental meadow]

and blahaj which is more important anyway

[zealous wedge]

proxi did you get

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUPu_ipbVB0

[mental meadow]

nice emoji zml where is it from

[twin lagoon]

[mental meadow]

[twin lagoon]

@mental meadow uwu

[mental meadow]

uwu

[void void]

are there any mods/plugins for paper server that'd increase height limit to something like 512 / 1024 ish?

[zealous wedge]

no

[twin lagoon]

not possible

[void void]

ok

[twin lagoon]

wait for 1.17

[void void]

whats in 1.17 👀

[zealous wedge]

world height changes maybe

[twin lagoon]

cave update and likely higher height limit

[topaz mortar]

and sort of dynamic height.

[void void]

what are the speculations of 1.17 build limit based off of

[twin lagoon]

code

[zealous wedge]

snapshots

[olive marlin]

Internal changes.

There are fabric mods on snapshots allowing higher limits now.

[topaz mortar]

Minis one for example

[olive marlin]

And Mojang said that they are considering it and will let community know early next year.

[topaz mortar]

https://github.com/MiniDigger/FabricTest

[void void]

thanks

very helpful 👍

[zealous wedge]

probably something about can minecraft still run on potatos with bigger height limit

[void void]

i mean, they could make it a toggle, so potatoes can still play

if that's their concern

[vernal moth]

thats not how that works

[void void]

at world creation time

it should be

i know forge had cubic chunks mod ages ago, although I'm pretty sure it's mostly dead by now

[zealous wedge]

nope, it's being ported to 1.17 snapshots on fabric

[vernal moth]

its about world gen

[warm anchor]

yes

pls

but I wonder how it will look on older map though. The difference will be huge

[vernal moth]

all solveable

[woven otter]

Any comments on my PR?
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/2153

[vernal moth]

there are bunch of comments on it?

trigary nailed it pretty much

no need to expose IDs if we have an enum already

[zealous wedge]

I think the solution was to have negative-y generation, while keeping sea level the same

[vernal moth]

thats one possible solution

[warm anchor]

oh yes. I didnt think of that.

[vernal moth]

another would be to use DFU to shift old chunks up

[warm anchor]

that will work

even with the map area where it's already generated

[woven otter]

Exposing both the slot ID and the equipmentslot enum is still an option. Maybe calculate the slot id in the constructor based on the enum value (if the constructor with the enum value was used).
would that be the best solution then? I mean if you use just enum then you limit it to just the slots that EquipmentSlot provides

[warm anchor]

that will be nice actually

for server with map that's really old

otherwise players will be required to go really far out for ungenerated chunks for the new features.

[vernal moth]

which is what vanilla limits it to anyways, not sure how you would damage an item that is not in those slots

unless you hack in code

[topaz mortar]

Does a player damages an item if it is not in one of that slots?

[woven otter]

not by default I guess

[fallen oracle]

So our entire house decides we want to go watch the sun rise last night. So here I am, like 6:30 in the morning, no one is up but me. Smh.

[left swift]

You still have a halloween pfp

Dw tho I'll watch the sunrise with you

[warm anchor]

It’s ok glare take some pictures

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/RazzleberryFox/status/1333741882925584385?s=19

Razz💜 (@RazzleberryFox)

So @TheOverwolf decided to STEAL my mods, by removing my access to edit, or do anything on my curseforge page, because I declined to migrate my account. I would have preferred they just deleted my shit, but no, they kept everything so that people can use it on their launcher.

Twitter · Dec 1, 2020, 11:56 AM

How surprising

[ashen cliff]

was this an oversight

It's never an oversight.

[limber knot]

I mean, they gave them explicit rights to distribute their stuff indefinitely... not sure what people expect from cooperations? for them to not use any rights you grant them to their ultimate advantage?

sounds like communism to me

runs

[ashen cliff]

That EULA can't stop me, since I can't read.

[cosmic raft]

lmao

https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1333526628610224130

routers with threatening auras 🌚 (@SwiftOnSecurity)

I am affixed here, my charge to forever dangle as utility without honor. I scream, but they cannot hear me. I once saw in a packet that WiFi can cause cancer, but no matter what I do, my frequencies pass through them. Best I do not have a mouth, or I would salivate for death.

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Twitter · Nov 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

[limber knot]

[ashen cliff]

Of course it's a Cisco.

[cosmic raft]

*Crisco

[ashen cliff]

Nyes.

[left swift]

Beautifully recited brings a tear to my eye

[wide chasm]

The entirety of curseforge is in read-only mode btw, could just be that

The authors reward store is closed as well and approvals for updates and new projects are slower than usual.

I've been waiting four days dammit /s

[golden gust]

Still faster than spigot

[wide chasm]

That's true

[merry talon]

why did twitch sell that lol

[wide chasm]

I don't think Twitch really cared about it tbh

[merry talon]

I don't understand why

it's huge

[mental meadow]

probably a lot of work for not enough revenue

[ashen cliff]

Huge != Profit

[merry talon]

but huge == potential for profit

[golden gust]

doesn't really sound like something you pull in cash for outside of advertising, etc, which like, for many companies is often meh for the admin workload, etc

[ashen cliff]

Huge = Huge cost to maintain

[merry talon]

I guess they already control enough shit

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

No money no talking

good morning broccolai

[limber knot]

don't think amazon cared that much about the mods part of Twitch when they bought it lol

[mental meadow]

brocc ❤️

[merry talon]

twitch had mods before amazon bought it?

[waxen panther]

good morning

[golden gust]

companies rarely do

[limber knot]

pretty sure Twitch bought curse before amazon bought twitch

[golden gust]

Generally a large company buys a smaller company, shoves in a few dozen of their managers tossing others out, and leaves it to fall apart with the heap of micro-management from the larger company

[limber knot]

actualyl no, apparently the bought curse in the same year after being aquired by amazon

or no, curse was aquired 2016, twitch was bought 2014. who wrote this wikipedia article -.-

[merry talon]

lol

[wide chasm]

As long as I still get points, I don't care what they do

[warm anchor]

xD

[limber knot]

I'm not going to fill out a tax form just to get 5 bucks 👀

[wide chasm]

I did 🙂