general

[worn ember]

lof and lofs of chunks yes, great english

[left swift]

Sync loads

[worn ember]

well only in that specific case where it crossed chunk borders

that should be fixed tho

[twin lagoon]

not really a bad idea

ZFS transparent compression is amazing for example

[cloud dawn]

Yeah, there is OS level compression

But I think my server is formatted as ext4

Not ZFS

[limber knot]

Compressing something already compressed?

[left swift]

Just zip it then compress it then zip it and then compress it

A few thousand times

[cloud dawn]

Oh it kept the replies

[left swift]

Spoiler alert wow

[cloud dawn]

With a shitty implemented compression*

[left swift]

I was waiting till the end to find that out

[limber knot]

It'll probably get smaller because region files aren't compressed as a whole instead the chunk data in them is so there is still some duplication whole file compression can remove

But I doubt it'll be enough to make it worth the IO hit

[cloud dawn]

I'm hoping maybe atleast a 10% reduction in space

If it can take 10GB off 100GB in total

That'd be something

[limber knot]

But the native format for the chunk is already using it's own version of compression via a block bitmap and then that gets run through gzip (or zstd with a PR to Paper) to save to the region file

10% might be doable but you'd get more out of that zstd PR

[limpid comet]

a whole 10%

actually thats pretty good

nvm

[cloud dawn]

The percentage could be higher

[limpid comet]

i mean 100gb -> 90gb

[cloud dawn]

Like maybe 20%

Or 30%

[limber knot]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4715

[woven otter]

yes please

[cloud dawn]

So someone already wrote the code

To make it work

[limpid comet]

TODO

 Test it to make sure it actually works
 Add API getter for current Zstd dict version
 Update to 1.16.4 (why does this happen every time?)

[limber knot]

zstd in 1.15 got 2.5x better compression and took half the time vs the standard zlib/gzip vanilla uses

[cloud dawn]

There's also this that can benefit from each other

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4192

[limber knot]

I think the chunk zeroing thing landed which should actually make region files compress better

Yeah, that thing

[cloud dawn]

Oh NVM that got merged already

[visual egret]

im making a lunar client api for protocolsupport

[limber knot]

But that's only up to 20% improvement even with doing the zeroing so 10% without it might be optimistic

[cloud dawn]

20% is a good number

So with a 100GB world, it'll be around 80GB

20GB is a good save

[limber knot]

That's with that PR though

Region files don't compress as well without that PR because old chunks in them (not MC chunks although that's what goes in there) still just have their old data until a new save uses that chunk and overwrites it

[visual egret]

anyone know why some of my files are red?

[untold copper]

They're conspiring against you.

[waxen panther]

uncommitted i think

its that or not staged

[spiral robin]

^

Brocc is so smart

[waxen panther]

nerd 😔

woah wait aber is a weeb?

[spiral robin]

[mighty storm]

red means it's modified

green means it's a new file

[limpid comet]

@waxen panther broccol.ai question question question question

[spiral robin]

But there is no markers on each line

[limpid comet]

does yer openbox support multiple monitors

[mighty storm]

could've been moved

[spiral robin]

Ah

[waxen panther]

uhhhhhhhh

i just have one big monitor but it should yeah

[mighty storm]

or they could be off, not sure

check commit tab ig

[limpid comet]

ok thank broc.ai

[waxen panther]

Anyone tried the new git backing thing for intellij beta

[mighty storm]

the what

[waxen panther]

It was in 2020.3 in their video thing

[mighty storm]

what is it though?

[waxen panther]

I’m tired

[mighty storm]

im on 2020.3

[waxen panther]

It’s opt in but it uses gits change log thing rather than intellijs change log system thing

[mighty storm]

hmm

[waxen panther]

https://youtu.be/KffXqIZ0tYg

Skip to 12:12 I can’t timrstamp on mobile

[spiral robin]

Looks sus

[waxen panther]

ur sus

[mighty storm]

https://youtu.be/KffXqIZ0tYg?t=730

re didnt work

[spiral robin]

Has to be seconds

[waxen panther]

Steak tonight 😳

[limpid comet]

can i have osme

[spiral robin]

Omg same

[limpid comet]

wtf

feed me

[spiral robin]

Come over

I'll save u some

[waxen panther]

Of course I got enough

Group steak cook

[limpid comet]

booking a ticket one second

[mighty storm]

ooo i like that better

[viral hornet]

gn

[limpid comet]

goodnigtht cammy wammy

[untold copper]

gnnnnnnnnnn

[limpid comet]

wow the arch wiki is awesome

this might actually be fun

[visual egret]

exactly what i thought before spending 4 hours on a vm intallation of arch

[gleaming finch]

first time installing arch is always hard

after you do it a couple times it's super easy

[limpid comet]

i have pretty extensive experience with linux sysadmin (albiet on debian/ubuntu) so i hope those skills will transfer over quite nicely

i mean, extensive meaning every server i've ever owned runs linux, i've never done it in a professional setting

[ashen cliff]

Not using ClearLinux.

[limpid comet]

tho im gonna grab a live cd of something in case i fuck everything upf

do ubuntu isos come with live usb stuff

[ashen cliff]

It does.

[limpid comet]

thanks krusic

[ashen cliff]

Even includes more tools than the final install.

[cedar spade]

[limpid comet]

its still gonna take 4 hours to compress my files

[ashen cliff]

Throw more threads at it.

[limpid comet]

i threw all the threads at it

24

[ashen cliff]

Do you even have 24 threads?

[limpid comet]

7zip let me select 24

[ashen cliff]

And your CPU has?

[limpid comet]

that's a good question

[ashen cliff]

INB4 8.

[limpid comet]

6 cores

12 logical processors

[ashen cliff]

👏

[limpid comet]

idk what any of this means i'm not a cpu guy

[ashen cliff]

So 12 threads.

[limpid comet]

https://i.imgur.com/4yx4BKm.png

its just a laptop cpu nothign crazy

imagine a laptop with a threadripper tho

:pog:

[ashen cliff]

Anyway, set the 7Zip threads to 12.

Otherwise you are just wasting time.

[limpid comet]

oh

well

i'm already 90gb into this

i dont planon restarting

[ashen cliff]

About the Threadripper in a laptop, EuroCom actually offered 18/22 core Xeon CPUs in their laptops.

[limpid comet]

huh

that's neat

do we have laptops with amd cpu & gpus yet (not apus fuck those)

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[limpid comet]

me want

[ashen cliff]

You can't afford it.

[limpid comet]

i know

i have a 2060 and that's gonna do me for the next 12 years

[visual egret]

will amazon cyber monday be different than black friday rn

?

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[visual egret]

for example will https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08FCGHLCP/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A20ECKCMR0OLQ&psc=1 be cheaper or can you not tell?

[limpid comet]

didnt you just get a keyboard

[visual egret]

well no

[limpid comet]

oh maybe im thinking of someone else then

[visual egret]

im waiting until its cheap

[ashen cliff]

I don't think any of us can answer that question.

[cosmic raft]

wheee

ordered a new kettle, thanks amazon

[waxen panther]

different guy bluely

[limpid comet]

now i want chips f u kash

oh ok brocyfp[rsieo

[brave lichen]

Paper starlight engine when?

[cosmic raft]

wat blue

[brave lichen]

Will it be backported?

[limpid comet]

kettle chips

:> (

[cosmic raft]

huh?

[limpid comet]

kettle chips are food

u know what food is right

[cosmic raft]

they sound weird

[waxen panther]

paper wont be getting starlight

afaik

[limpid comet]

they're just a form of chippo

like ms vickie aer ktleelte chip iirc

[brave lichen]

Awww sad, paper making better engine then?

Idk how true this is

[limpid comet]

why not test it yourself and make your own graph then

[vernal moth]

I mean. Nothing stops you from taking that patch and PRing it to paper

[waxen panther]

the graph isn't wrong

well yeah but it's kinda disrespectful

theres a fabric mod for it too if you wanna try it out

not sure that's public yet tho

[vernal moth]

Why is that disrespectful?

It's taking his work and making it available to a greater audience

[next wind]

^ i would see that as a compliment as long as you give credit

[vernal moth]

You obviously will set the author tag to him

[waxen panther]

idk, if i made something that big and i was already a common contributor to the project i'd want it to be pr'd it myself

[limpid comet]

mabye ask permission firs? idk

id be down for ti to be anywhere that people want it to be

[vernal moth]

I mean, the patch is licenced MIT for a reason

[limpid comet]

yaeh

[brave lichen]

So paper starlight still possible?

[vernal moth]

Sure

[twin lagoon]

if someone wants to go through the effort of porting it sure

[vernal moth]

Let others beta test, then PR to paper for the bigger audience 😂

[brave lichen]

Now were talking😄

[vernal moth]

It's prolly not that much effort anyways, haven't looked at the patch tho

[waxen panther]

iz big

[vernal moth]

I mean, I would say I look into it, but my to-do list says otherwise

[worn ember]

@brave lichen oh look who i found 👀

[cloud dawn]

What's starlight

[waxen panther]

Spotted leaf rewrote the light engine

Goes zoom

[woven otter]

it was so bad that he had to rewrite it

[brave lichen]

Yeah

[brave lichen]

Actually that's why im here XD

[worn ember]

lmao

[mental meadow]

do you guys have compressed air to clean out your keyboard?

apparently its not air but butane

i just noticed that because my candle is burning right next to me and as I was cleaning my keyboard suddenly everything started burning

[warm anchor]

Wtf

That’s Metal

[woven otter]

yeah. haven't you noticed the label?

[mental meadow]

I mean yeah but i didn't think about it

like i bought it a year ago

[woven otter]

calling it air is pretty dangerous

[warm anchor]

Do you put out the fire yet

I think that’s more important

[mental meadow]

yea gas burns pretty fast and nothing caught on fire except for a small paper

[warm anchor]

Check your own eyebrow lol

[worn ember]

[warm anchor]

I burnt mine before doing bbq. Didn’t notice until later

[woven otter]

my favorite thing to do with them is to flip them and spray them and then liquid propane-butane comes out

[worn ember]

you sure it wasnt just your butane?

[twin lagoon]

[worn ember]

what kinda compressor uses butane tho

[next wind]

make sure you ventilate your room as well because the other stuff in compressed air is pretty nasty when burnt

[worn ember]

i have so many questions

[untold copper]

haiiiii

[next wind]

https://www.thoughtco.com/whats-in-canned-air-3975941

[untold copper]

o.o

whats this

[limpid comet]

do people actually enjoy tiling window managers

[twin lagoon]

apparently yes

@mental meadow

[untold copper]

difluoroethane, trifluoroethane, tetrafluoroethane, or butane.

[worn ember]

wtf do you use canned air for?

[untold copper]

wot da hell

[untold copper]

cleaning out keyboard

and fans

dust off your PC

all that

[mental meadow]

Now I'm shaking

[untold copper]

its like a reverse vacuum cleaner

[worn ember]

i prefer that giant machine that makes the sound like an airplane to compress my air

[limber knot]

if u gonna reverse vacuum, might as well leaf blower

[limpid comet]

wait you can toggle ebtween flaoting and tiling

[untold copper]

lol true

[limpid comet]

that makes so much sense

[warm anchor]

She wants to clean keyboard not to blow everything away

[untold copper]

Whats your context XD

[warm anchor]

Lmao

[limpid comet]

for a wm

bspwm

[mental meadow]

Q.Q

[woven otter]

it was probably butane, propane for aurora

[untold copper]

[mental meadow]

Butane

[untold copper]

btw guys, I need help with building a couple of things in my server, pls contact me cos im tired of making stuff myself

[twin lagoon]

no

wait no

how much are you paying @untold copper

[untold copper]

Just some general help with stuff

nothing formal

yk

[mental meadow]

Not a marketplace guys

[untold copper]

friendly help

assuming I have those

[limber knot]

wait wait wait

[limpid comet]

if you have a question about a server ask it

[limber knot]

I'M tired of making stuff myself

[warm anchor]

He is talking about making building in Minecraft sir

/s

[limpid comet]

mr snoopa why do you even have a pink name

[untold copper]

yes

[limber knot]

so how about u join ME

[limpid comet]

how do you have a pink name and i dont

what an injustice

[untold copper]

I asked nicely

👀

DiD yOu?

[warm anchor]

I want pink too. Let’s take Snoopa down

[woven otter]

you asked and someone actually gave you pink name?

[limpid comet]

no

i had it for like 2 minutes

and then it was forcefully removed

[untold copper]

precisely

[limber knot]

my meme MLG serbur has been in the making 4 2 long and could really use sum help 4 more rando plogenz on top of the 100+ already on there

[limpid comet]

aberdeen stole mine

i stole brocc's

[warm anchor]

Lol

[untold copper]

then brocc became a vegtable

[woven otter]

well I had a nice role too until wiz kicked me and noone restored my role

😭

[untold copper]

f

[woven otter]

I feel so violated

[limpid comet]

i jsut wantt o install arch wtf

[limber knot]

dumcordian roles

[limpid comet]

i have to wait 2.5 hours for thia folder to compress

[untold copper]

I just need some help with this bridge lmao

[woven otter]

shut up robodumb

[untold copper]

so pls

anyone?

[woven otter]

why there are weird blue fences in game

[limber knot]

I was told to shut up so presumably everyone else now fears dumcordian duck

[untold copper]

IDFK

XD

[woven otter]

yes. good

slowly taking over the world

[limber knot]

s/world/dumcordians

Correction, <DiscordBot> <12D​uc​k> slowly taking over the dumcordians

[untold copper]

robo come on and help me :3

[limpid comet]

wait does it work for us

test

\s/test/bruh

fuck

oh wait

[untold copper]

!thinksmart

[limpid comet]

its javscript

[woven otter]

discord edits message when you do it

[limpid comet]

IM A N IDIT LOL

[limber knot]

s/come on and help me :3/I'll come on and /apply 2 ur serbur and help u

Correction, <DiscordBot> <13M​r.​Sn​oo​pa​> robo **I'll come on and **

oops

forgot to escape the slash lol

[left swift]

nice try robot

[untold copper]

uhm ok now im confusion XD

so do you want to come on or not 👀

[left swift]

no one likes coming

[twin lagoon]

@restive thicket halp

https://hasteb.in/uwixonib.cs

[visual egret]

i just saw a guide that said if you are running windows 10 or newer

or newer?

whaaaaat?

[untold copper]

Illuminati confirmed

[fiery heron]

Cut and paste documentation

[cosmic raft]

well first of all

there's no supports

[untold copper]

its a space bridge

it floats :D

[limber knot]

ya but do ur players float

[untold copper]

wait wait wait

if they walk on floating bridge

does that mean they float as well?

cos technically they're grounded

[restive thicket]

[twin lagoon]

cammy

[restive thicket]

Disable legacy ping passthrough for now.

[twin lagoon]

it's standalone

[restive thicket]

Oof.

Can you provide the MOTD or server IP of that server?

I can’t look at what part of the code that is right now but I’ll remind myself to look at it tomorrow.

[untold copper]

ok gn bois

[twin lagoon]

o maybe it's tcpshield's only proxy connection dropping the connection

[restive thicket]

Hmm, that could make sense. We could still handle it more gracefully.

[twin lagoon]

[untold copper]

Michael you run a MC server?

[next wind]

iirc hes a sysadmin for a couple

[twin lagoon]

^

[untold copper]

Ah

Cool

[waxen panther]

couple hundred

[twin lagoon]

@restive thicket do you need floodgate for ip forwarding

[restive thicket]

Yeah.

[twin lagoon]

[restive thicket]

Geyser doesn’t touch the server, which is what we need to do in order to spoof the IP.

[cosmic oak]

@twin lagoon why hello

[twin lagoon]

hi

[cosmic raft]

today on "wat"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHGo-52wCDc&t=1m34s

[untold copper]

dayum

[twin lagoon]

good ol' mehdi

[cosmic raft]

great videos

[quasi valley]

wtf

literally just zapping himself 😂

[cedar spade]

um

[minor badge]

@restive thicket

[restive thicket]

💚

[twin lagoon]

[restive thicket]

[void void]

Anyone knows a good plugin to view server stats?

EssentialsX is kinda lacking as it only displays used and max memory

uh

I can't really find it but I might have found something myself anyway

[unreal pike]

Hi can I get a quick opinion

I paid a guy 100 to copy a build, do u think it looks like the reference

https://image.prntscr.com/image/dckUFzgfSvuI7vRsOiZNkg.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720349508948590674/780257218799861790/unknown.png

[wide chasm]

Not... really

[unreal pike]

I thought it looked bad but he says otherwise, unless im crazy

[wide chasm]

It's a bit simplistic.

[unreal pike]

thanks

[twin lagoon]

that's pretty bad for $100

[next wind]

might just be the angle of the picture but it looks flat

[coarse lily]

The reference photo doesn't look like it's Minecraft, though.

But yeah the scale is pretty small.

And I'd expect a lot more detail. Especially for $100.

[wide chasm]

The trees around the sides are too sparse, the walls outside of the... castle I think, are on both sides in the map, but only on one side (visibly) in the image. The castle is missing an inner wall next to the large tower and the small outside part of the castle in the image isn't there on the map. The map also has a bunch of stones that don't seem to be in the reference image at all.

[next wind]

is the castle just mirrored?

it looks like it with some modification

[coarse lily]

The reference looks like a bit more of a square, with more depth to it. The build is a skinnier rectangle. I'd want more reference photos if possible if I were gonna build that, but regardless I'd try to get it a lot closer to the reference.

[cosmic raft]

Uhhh

What on earth

[coarse lily]

You can't really 1:1 stuff to Minecraft sometimes

[cosmic raft]

Amazon just charged me ~$60

for... nothing

I bought nothing

[coarse lily]

Yikes.

Prime, Maybe?

Although Prime is like $120 now, isn't it?

Yeah it's $120.

If you choose to be charged on a monthly basis, your membership charge will be $12.99. If you choose to be charged on an annual basis, you will be charged $119. Prime Video membership is $8.99 a month.

[limber knot]

Student fee is still $59

[coarse lily]

Or $155.88/yr if billed monthly

Ah

I'm not a student.

Never had a student Prime fee.

So yeah maybe it's that, kashike? Student Prime?

[woven otter]

is irc bot open source?

[coarse lily]

Not sure, Nessie. I'm in the US.

I just checked and I get billed $120. That quote was from their website.

[cosmic raft]

It's not prime

Prime is $7.99/mo

[coarse lily]

But I also get shit like Prime Now and who knows what else inclduded.

Or do you mean just Prime Video?

Even that is $9/mo here, though.

[limber knot]

I don't think you can sign up for just a part of prime, can you?

[coarse lily]

I think you can do just Prime Video

[cosmic raft]

I can't even see anything on my orders on Amazon for this price

[coarse lily]

But I don't think other countries get Amazon Fresh or Prime Noew or who knows what else

kashike I'd open a ticket/contact them ASAP

[limber knot]

Time to cancel that card

[coarse lily]

If it's from Amazon I doubt the card was compromised.

More like a fluke on billing.

If it was $60 from some random other thing then yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah it's $120 in the US, Nessie.

I didn't know Amazon had different prices.

Seems to depend a LOT on the area, barty.

[cosmic raft]

Well

I can't even see a contact option on amazon

lol

[coarse lily]

Prime Now in Seattle was super helpful.

[spiral robin]

Hi

[coarse lily]

Prime Now in SF is decent, but anywhere else it seems a lot less useful.

[limber knot]

Prime Now is just Whole Foods delivery plus a few extras, isn't it?

[coarse lily]

Nessie is your 36 Euro?

You said you were in Italy? Is that 36 euro or 36 USD?

Prime USED to be $60/yr

[woven otter]

.g test

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.test.com/ -- Find online tests, practice test, and test creation...: "Online tests and testing for certification, practice tests, test making tools, medical testing and more."

[woven otter]

ty

[coarse lily]

I'm guessing part of it is the cost of shipping in the US.

[unreal pike]

Yeah I am being scammed then

[coarse lily]

Either way that's pretty interesting. Never really thought.

[cosmic raft]

Chatting with Amazon now

Well

I know why now

and all I have to say is "WTF Amazon?"

[waxen panther]

What was it

[cosmic raft]

So

[true canyon]

Charge for being so great.

[cosmic raft]

I had a charge for $95.41 yesterday, for one of the things I ordered

Today they re-issued that order charge, as two separate amounts of $3x.xx, and $6x.xx

and issued a refund for the 95.xx one

For a single item

WHY?

[spiral robin]

Because amazon.

[twin lagoon]

[ancient bolt]

that can happen yeah

not really anything to do with amazon

sometimes weird shit happens when your bank reconciles charges

[cosmic raft]

How is it not to do with Amazon?

"first charge of $95.41 was cancelled on Friday, November 27, 2020."

is what was said to me

They literally already got paid, it wasn't an authorisation

[true canyon]

Maybe just like how amazon plays around with package sizes to fit into their delivery vehicles, they're now playing with money quantities to fit better into hundred dollar bills to withdraw cash to fill bezos's pool

[ancient bolt]

I've seen enough weird shit happen during charge reconciliation at several of the companies I've worked for. It's just a really complicated thing with lots of moving parts and third parties and weird shit sometimes happens

lol

[worn ember]

normal

[worn ember]

[crude yew]

ayooooooooo i need 3 people that are down to play manhunt dm me on discord and first 3 will be chosen to play

[limpid comet]

no

dream did a thing and now everyone is doing a thing

3 people chase you while you try to beat minecraft

some boring minecraft youtuber everyone is jerking off nowadays

i dont really get it

he's green and he has like 12 mil subs, all u need to know

13 now

his growth was ridiculous

ill pull up the chart

https://i.imgur.com/4AZOe7o.png

1 mil - 13 mil subs in a year

yeah he's done really well for himself

i don't really get the hype i think it's a bit overblown, but of course it's minecraft so i'm happy to see it succeed

[cloud dawn]

I feel like making a fork of paper because clearly there isn't enough forks already

Like Jesus Christ how many forks are there, it's like everyone thinks their solution is better

[limpid comet]

everyone does think their solution is better

though paper benefits from more forks, as it means more code is being contributed

[cloud dawn]

Why not just merge the changes

Instead of 300 forks

[limpid comet]

prs still create a fork

because not every change is suitable for paper

i.e. take billy''s fork

purpur

lots of changes which modify aspects of the game significantly

[cloud dawn]

Heard about it but I don't know what's differences it brings

[limpid comet]

wouldn't be suitable for paper, but it still has many beneficial changes

[cloud dawn]

Yatopia I heard is awful

[limpid comet]

yeah the various forks are pretty hit and miss but it's still a net gain

leaf just rewrote the lighting engine for (from what i hear) big performance gains

which isn't on paper, but tuinity

[cloud dawn]

Oh yeah tuinity

I was gonna try tuinity

[limpid comet]

oh

ignore me, then

afaik you should only use tuinity if you need tuinity

if your performance is already fine on paper, no need to push it

oh yeah okay

i was wondering where else it would've been

but yeah it's still in beta

people are asking "when is it coming to paper" like it's fully released on tuinity

[cloud dawn]

Lighting corrupting issues can be fixed with worldedit

I think

Or I had lighting issues without this

[modern bone]

afaik the fabric mod (your image) is in a less developed state than the tuinity implementation

[cloud dawn]

The performance of minecraft in general is awful

[cloud dawn]

I try to understand the difference with all these forks but I given up

I should make my own fork

To add more confusion

[limpid comet]

is it because he got muted lol

[modern bone]

tuinity is a performance fork of paper, purpur is a fork of tuinity that just adds more config options
and yatopia is just eh

[cloud dawn]

I wanna actually try running purpur and see what it's like

Never tried it before

[modern bone]

and yeah purpur currently upstreams the tuinity dev branch with the lighting engine

[limpid comet]

yatopia isn't eh

yatopia is garbage

[modern bone]

Purpur is the same as tuinity at default

[vernal moth]

Leaf stopped contributing way before that

[modern bone]

But you can edit a bunch of random stuff in the configs

[zealous wedge]

yatopia isn't even garbage, it's just a joke

[limpid comet]

^ lol

[cloud dawn]

I remember there was only one fork back during 1.2.5

And that was bukkit

[zealous wedge]

Purpur is tuinity with patches for Billy's server that other people find useful too

[cloud dawn]

That was it

Pretty simple

[limpid comet]

bukkit isn't a fork

bukkit is the base project

[cloud dawn]

Then bukkit had some legal battle with someone I forgot who

It got shutdown I think

[modern bone]

https://github.com/pl3xgaming/Purpur/wiki

[cloud dawn]

Is bukkit still being updated after all these years?

[zealous wedge]

no

it's a dead project

[limpid comet]

is there any way to tell github to stop telling me to start my repos with main branch

oh yeah you can cool

[zealous wedge]

use trunk instead :p

[limpid comet]

genus

ok bye giuys ima go install arch now ill tell you if i died or something

well this is quite optimistic, windows

https://i.imgur.com/5YSnwDH.png

[void void]

Paper destroys Tokyo
I'm always forced to think about that name as a Japanese when reading javadoc

[cosmic raft]

lol

https://github.com/PaperMC/library uses main

[mighty storm]

Is there a better way to convert something like 2020 to just the last 2 digits? This is what I did

String yearString = String.join("", Arrays.asList(String.valueOf(year).split("")).subList(2, 4));```

[cosmic raft]

uh

[limpid comet]

yeah but it annoys me it always asks me to use main

im used to master

[cosmic raft]

string.substring(string.length() - 2) or something @mighty storm

lol

[mighty storm]

@limpid comet https://github.com/settings/repositories

[limpid comet]

yeah I already found that but thanks :pog:

[mighty storm]

That would be easier. I thought you could just 2020 % 100 but evidently not

unless im doing it wrong

[twin lagoon]

@viral hornet stalker 😔

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-teeth-hi-hello-wave-gif-14630063

[mild musk]

nugget biscuit nugget in a biscuit

[subtle flume]

When you about to watch timings video and this pops up

This is i-car

[brave lichen]

Got muted on paper discord?

[viral hornet]

@twin lagoon 🥺

you deserve stars too bb

[worn ember]

kash muted him for like 90 days

[stiff yarrow]

[unkempt drift]

what's that different icon for the #welcome channel?

[limber knot]

who's what

[unkempt drift]

its a "dumcord" thing Robo

[worn ember]

new discord icons iirc

[unkempt drift]

is that supposed to be a rule book?

[worn ember]

checkbook clearly

[limber knot]

nothing

I found the message

I was just wondering why it was brought up or if it was someone else

[worn ember]

pretty sure it was about leaf ye

[limber knot]

tuinity doesn't have an IRC channel yet so I haven't checked it out

I will soon tho

once I get in there and have permission to bridge it I'll be interested

[worn ember]

sucks to be stuck on irc

[limber knot]

stuck?

more like sux 2 b stuck and beholden to dumcord

[worn ember]

okbmr

[brave lichen]

So kash and leaf friends now?

[limber knot]

kash is a weird dood

[worn ember]

idk their relation, dont care either

🙂

[limber knot]

like, he seems to be only interested in a few things and will randomly and openly talk about it without any regard to any other context going on

[worn ember]

that do be true xD

[stiff yarrow]

that sounds like me

[limber knot]

nah you're just not active a lot

[stiff yarrow]

[brave lichen]

[upper flicker]

we love you nossr

[limber knot]

especially wen ppl throw shade on ur mcmmo

ur never here 2 c it and im sad

[worn ember]

sup z, did you give up on mc development?

[limber knot]

tho tbh I've prolly missed a lot of shade thrown at GP so there is that

[brave lichen]

Gp?

[worn ember]

griefprevention

[upper flicker]

busy with other stuff

[limber knot]

hmm, that is true I haven't seen Z in much commits recently

[worn ember]

imagine having a life

[stiff yarrow]

I've been addicted to Sims 4 and xbox in general

[worn ember]

man sims 4 sims 3 was so much better

graphics sucked tho

2 was best tbh

[limber knot]

I will never get the appeal of sims like it's not something like factorio

or is it

[unkempt drift]

Factorio ❤️

[stiff yarrow]

idk Sims 4 seems a lot better than Sims 3 to me

have you played with all the dlc tho

it has way more features than 2

[worn ember]

you can grind through the whole thing in 1 day if you wanted too, no challenge, its dumbed down so much

[unkempt drift]

can't you spend like $500 for all sims 4 dlc?

[worn ember]

yeah

[stiff yarrow]

@unkempt drift ...yes whistles

sounds like you guys played a completely different game than me tbh

[stiff yarrow]

Sims 4 (with its mountain of DLC) seems a lot better than the previous games with a lot more content

[worn ember]

for all dlc's

[stiff yarrow]

the stuff packs are like that

the expansion packs do a poor job of advertising what they include

they have a lot of stuff

[worn ember]

i just get all my dlc's for free cuz pc master race

[stiff yarrow]

I also spent way too much time on sims 2

[worn ember]

no way i'm spending 500 on a game

not like EA needs it either

[stiff yarrow]

well I wouldn't recommend playing Sims 4 without the xpacs, they kind of make it what it is, which is clearly superior to the previous games

base game is def lacking

[worn ember]

i think we're used to that by now

you cant even woohoo the grim reaper anymore

the house building is pretty neat tho

seems to be the pace of gaming these days

[stiff yarrow]

yeah I don't think I could recommend Sims 4 to anyone who couldn't play it with most the DLC (the stuff packs seem useless to me)

but if you do play it with the DLC it is great

[worn ember]

who?

i wish i had a bit more cash to spend rn so i could invest in some pc parts while black friday :/

[stiff yarrow]

I like eu4 but my friend takes so long with his turns

I played the base game 😦

I think I maybe had 1 dlc

civ iv had the best mods

rise from erebus / fall from heaven / etc were dope

I probably easily put 1000+ hours into those mods

okay back to playing console games like a degenerate

[limber knot]

game gets harder every time you die?

that's quite the... punishment

what is body form

hmm

[worn ember]

civ 5 is the only civ game i own

[limber knot]

A Hat in Time is pretty gud

imma go with, no, nor have I had an interest

3d platformers fun tho

[limpid comet]

I'm lost

I can't get any x stuff to run on my laptop

It just freezes

Arch was so fun until it all stopped working

[worn ember]

Arch btw

[upper flicker]

btw

[limpid comet]

:(

[vestal jasper]

@upper flicker ||gamerules||

[upper flicker]

@vestal jasper ||gamerules indeed||

[limpid comet]

I GOT IT

[royal tree]

How do i make it so when i code stuff in intelij it automatically updates the plugins repo
Im new to github

[limpid comet]

It was just nvidia-xconfig being shit

[potent fossil]

It doesn't do it automatically, you have to commit and push yourself

[limpid comet]

You don't automatically update, you commit and push

Fuck you

[potent fossil]

Either through the IDE or through the command line

.kill bluely

[limpid comet]

Putangina mo

[limber knot]

rams a rocket launcher up bluely's ass and lets off a few rounds.

[royal tree]

oh

[limpid comet]

now that's a creative one

[vestal jasper]

I will when I get time to look into it

Which makes me skeptical

That it's not something outside of the plugins control

[royal tree]

How do I make it so whenever I make a commit it shows it in discord?

[potent fossil]

ddg! github discord webhook tutorial

[coarse hornet]

GitHub - ProMasterBoy/discord-webhook-tutorial: C# Discord Webhook Tutorial

C# Discord Webhook Tutorial. Contribute to ProMasterBoy/discord-webhook-tutorial development by creating an account on GitHub.

[potent fossil]

uh, that's not helpful but ok

@royal tree https://gist.github.com/jagrosh/5b1761213e33fc5b54ec7f6379034a22

[unique snow]

What are you trying to do, simple? Discord auth?

[potent fossil]

read up to the dude i pinged's last message

[unique snow]

Or just use a webhook?

[potent fossil]

its not me who needs it

[royal tree]

Where’s my .cs file

[unique snow]

oh ok

[potent fossil]

dont use the first link slayor use the second one

the gist

[unique snow]

Ah yea, nice. The first example is horrible in so many ways.

[potent fossil]

the first one was just a search result from ddg

[unique snow]

Yeah I realize, just surprised that's so far up the chain, probably just matched the terms perfectly.

[potent fossil]

he just wants GH commit messages so he doesn't need to write his own code to dispatch webhook requests

[unique snow]

Yeah makes sense, just didn't associate his message with yours, don't think I even read his somehow

Initially that is

[limber knot]

[20:04:31] *highlight: [17:54:06] DiscordBot:#paper <b​ar​ty​> okay so basically robomwm;

wow that's a great use of a tag

[upper flicker]

basically robomwm

happy almost saturday

[void void]

This is super annoying

why do they only contain some of dependencies

Spigot contains popular libraries like Commons Commons-IO but it doesn't show up

[limber knot]

thx

[upper flicker]

because they dont want you to rely on the server libraries

they are tied to minecraft and subject to change between releases

[void void]

same for bukkit api

[upper flicker]

and bukkit was designed with the world view of "write it on one version, it will run on many versions"

spigot-api and bukkit's api are basically the same for the purposes of this

spigot just adds some extensions

[void void]

they are tied to minecraft and subject to change between releases

it's developers problem

[limber knot]

well I was eating dinner so wen I come back I expect all of the context in my highlights thx u

[upper flicker]

yes, it's the developer's problem

your problem

find what you want, shade and relocate it into your plugin

[void void]

i mean, it's developers responsibility

so

[upper flicker]

yes, your responsibility

bukkit was not willing to make those promises for you

[void void]

i don't care about

[upper flicker]

nor should they have

[void void]

other versions

lol

so idfc

[upper flicker]

they did

deal with it

[void void]

they don't have to deal with it

[upper flicker]

we are all stuck with the legacy of choices made long ago

[void void]

i had to shade all dependencies

and my simple plugin is 45mb

so impressive

[upper flicker]

nice

[coarse lily]

Me "Man, why the fuck is TLS not working?!"

Config file:

SSL/TLS support: yes, no, required. <doc/wiki/SSL.txt>

ssl = no

Oh okay.

[tough latch]

Someone should add #adorable-doggos.

[true canyon]

What on earth are you doing?

[limber knot]

what's going on

[upper flicker]

wat

[true canyon]

I used to love getting plugin submissions to BukkitDev that contained the entire Bukkit API.

[limber knot]

is someone whining about something else not having a dependency

[waxen panther]

why are you shadowing spigot lmao

spigot should be compileonly

[true canyon]

Like this one!

[tough latch]

Add #adorable-doggos

[waxen panther]

no

[tough latch]

YES

[void void]

shadow is to exclude dependency from shadow jar

[limber knot]

no

make it urself over here in IRC

[waxen panther]

[limber knot]

see that's the beauty of IRC

make whatever heccin channel u want

own the channel

[void void]

this bot is disgusting

[limber knot]

and no, if anything I'd rather not depend on bukkit's libraries

already had to fix a couple plugins with the whole SQLite update

[void void]

and shadowjar has problems

[limber knot]

or dependency rather

[void void]

when i relocate org deirectories

it tries to relocate org.bukkit packages which don't exist in my jar file

[limber knot]

only time I had issues with relocation is when I tried to relocate all the libraries the azure dependency uses

[void void]

as a result it causes trashy errors

Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/toshimichi/forceid/shadow/org/bukkit/plugin/java/JavaPlugin

so dumb

[limber knot]

it imports like 30+ different dependencies

and I don't think I ever figured out how to easily relocate all of 'em

https://github.com/RoboMWM/AzureResizer/commits/master?after=0004620715622d1eeadc19983cd6cf0dfbb937b3+34&branch=master

[void void]

how does RoboMWM add this bot to this server

[limber knot]

I ended up giving up and just relocating what I could do and letting the rest just be shaded

robo is a hacker, that's how

dirty, filthy hacker who must be punished

s/unished/raised

Correction, <mbaxter> dirty, filthy hacker who must be praised

[true canyon]

OwO whats this

[upper flicker]

why

[void void]

cuz it's cool

obviously

[upper flicker]

yes they look nice

[limber knot]

big sur

2 3 and 4

where's 1

[upper flicker]

you dont get 1

that's the hook

[shrewd umbra]

wait

[void void]

dependencies {
    implementation 'net.toshimichi:idlib:1.0.1'
    implementation 'net.dv8tion:JDA:4.2.0_215'
    implementation 'rest.faucet:config:1.0'
    implementation 'org.apache.commons:commons-lang3:3.11'
    implementation 'commons-io:commons-io:2.8.0'
    implementation 'org.yaml:snakeyaml:1.27'
    runtime 'mysql:mysql-connector-java:8.0.22'
    runtime 'org.mariadb.jdbc:mariadb-java-client:2.7.1'
    shadow('org.spigotmc:spigot-api:1.12.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT') {
        transitive = false
    }
}

shadowJar {
    def name = 'net.toshimichi.forceid.shadow'
    relocate 'antlr', "${name}.antlr"
    relocate 'club', "${name}.club"
    relocate 'com', "${name}.com"
    relocate 'db', "${name}.db"
    relocate 'gnu', "${name}.gnu"
    relocate 'google', "${name}.google"
    relocate 'javassist', "${name}.javassist"
    relocate 'javax', "${name}.javax"
    relocate 'natives', "${name}.natives"
    relocate('net', "${name}.net") {
        exclude 'net.toshimichi.forceid.**'
    }
    relocate 'okhttp3', "${name}.okhttp3"
    relocate 'okio', "${name}.okio"
    relocate('org', "${name}.org") {
        exclude 'org.bukkit.**'
    }
    relocate 'rest', "${name}.rest"
    relocate 'tomp2p', "${name}.tomp2p"
}```
Yes! finally
I had to deal with halfway Bukkit dependencies...

[upper flicker]

wow that is just awful

[void void]

Tre

[upper flicker]

you know you can just build against the server

[void void]

True

[upper flicker]

if you only care about the dependencies in server version x

just build against server version x, rather than the api

[void void]

SnakeYaml version was too old

So

I wanted new one anyway

And

Nvm

[upper flicker]

you can just add your own for one specific version

[void void]

I have toedit it again

[upper flicker]

but uh, its your code I guess, if youre fine with it it's all good

camm made it for me

eventually I will have endless seasonal variants

[void void]

That's how developers think, not how users think

(you now have about 70 billion enemies

[toxic pagoda]

does phoenixnap not have setup cost?

[limber knot]

I'm probably wrong(?) but gee these people sometimes https://github.com/MLG-Fortress/ExtraHardMode/issues/255#issuecomment-733509574

"temporary fix" sure

[trail acorn]

I think my brain is broken.. my plugin is telling me "Hey" != "Hey"

[spiral robin]

are you using == or .equals()

[trail acorn]

!=

[spiral robin]

dont work for str

[limber knot]

not c#

c# allows you to do that

but not java

[spiral robin]

oh well ye assumed java

[trail acorn]

oh heh cuz sometimes it works

and sometimes it doesnt

[spiral robin]

o.o

[limber knot]

gotta #equals for Java

[golden gust]

It's comparing identity reference, not object equality

[limber knot]

no it should never work

at least not the way you did it

in java

[golden gust]

The compiler is "smart", however, so if you have two strings which are the same in a class, there are cases where it will share the string object between them

[limber knot]

o

nvm then

[zealous wedge]

yeah, some string literals are interned

[limber knot]

that's a little concerning

[zealous wedge]

see String#intern

[golden gust]

So, there are cases where == works, but, that is not behaviour you should generally rely on unless you're playing the micro-op game and know what you're doing

[zealous wedge]

yeah you almost never want to rely on that

[limber knot]

micro-op'ing in java

[hollow plaza]

Is there a plugin that lets you rotate terracotta and change some other blockstates?

[cobalt surge]

pings cat

runs away

[void void]

there's this thing called debug stick

[unkempt drift]

didn't they leave that in a snapshot by mistake and people were like "oooooo pls leave that in"

or was that the debug world thing

pretty sure it was one of those

[upper flicker]

I dont remember them mentioning it was a mistake

just that it was their thing for testing blockstates during the flattening and they wouldnt support it if you used it

[unkempt drift]

I thought it was left in by accident. prob got that from some snapshot video. 🤷‍♂️

[upper flicker]

am not aware of them stripping out any items like that

the debug world makes more sense in that regard

but I do not remember at all

[unkempt drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWnQKDwBU-4

maybe that video...

[spiral robin]

O o

[upper flicker]

oh god do we have a tweet or source that isnt an annoying youtuber

[unkempt drift]

idk if that's where I heard it from, I just googled some keywords and that popped up

I think billy was reminded of something by this convo...

[unreal quarry]

i was going to link my PR about the fix, but apparently I didnt ever PR it. kickash has one, though, but its a bit different than mine

😛

[golden gust]

debug stick being dum coz CB

[unreal quarry]

debug stick updates neighbor blocks in CB

[golden gust]

if you wanna shove in a PR for that billy, I got the label ready ❤️

[unreal quarry]

i know, cat

thats why i dont 😛

but yeah, cat. that minimal diff fixes the issue

looking at it now, i should have 1 lined it

[golden gust]

that breaks the event though?

[potent fossil]

i legitimately hate minecraft youtubers

they're so ridiculously annoying

[unreal quarry]

what event?

[golden gust]

BlockPlace

[unreal quarry]

its not a block place event, though

its using a debug stick

[golden gust]

Yes, but bukkit still fires a place event

[unreal quarry]

yes, and it shouldnt

thats the bug

its not a place event

[unkempt drift]

simple, all minecraft youtubers? or just ones that cover minecraft "news"

[potent fossil]

@unkempt drift all Minecraft youtubers

[unkempt drift]

I pretty much only watch one minecraft youtuber still. Etho

[potent fossil]

HEY WHAT'S GOING ON GUYS AND TODAY

[unkempt drift]

yeah, that gets annoying real fast

[unreal quarry]

you forgot the super loud and annoying intro music

[potent fossil]

I particularly hate when every third sentence is GUYS

Another genre of youtubers that do this are travel vloggers

that is exactly what I'm telling you

"Influencer" is a strong word for those knuckle draggers

Sadly

[golden gust]

My only concern really is the potential behavioral change between the two impls, it's not really the place event being fired but the blind physics updates being shoved in,
https://gist.github.com/electronicboy/0bf9a3a3cc7f60bb2d6ca9595130ee87 should fix the issue too and keep the event fired

^ was or, from what I recall, I'm like, semi-dead

[unreal quarry]

i completely disagree that the event should be fired at all. the player isnt placing any blocks. if anything, fire a entitychangeblock event or something instead

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent fossil]

When are you not semi-dead?

[cobalt surge]

He's always semi dead

[golden gust]

Yea, it's not really a block place, my only real concern is that outside of the PIE, it's the only event for it

[cobalt surge]

pats cats head

[golden gust]

and 2 second github search shows we'd break at least one OS plugin

[violet grotto]

Under Github licences, what does "Distribution" mean?

Does it mean if I pick any of those github templates, people can repost my compiled source on spigot as their own project?

[golden gust]

if attribution is not required, yes

Well, technically, all attribution states is that they must attribute your code to you, they don't have to credit you elsewhere, etc; But, in the philosphy of OS, is the believe that you can use others code in your own stuff

[violet grotto]

So I shouldn't pick one of those github templates if I'm not ok with someone reposting my resource?

Is it better to not have a licence file in this case?

[golden gust]

Basically, if you want others to not be able to take your code, using an OS license and posting code publically is generally not a good idea

reality is that nobody really cares to take somebody elses plugins and throw them off as your own bar a few kids

[violet grotto]

But is it a valid argument on spigot if someone were to try it?

Like if someone actually did repost it, are mods obliged to not take it down because of the licence?

[upper flicker]

spigot's rules are not 1:1 with just the text of the license

they are often more restrictive than just what the open source license says

[violet grotto]

Doesn't the licence kind of also imply that someone can make minimal edits, then sell it on mc market or smt

[upper flicker]

generally yes

most open source licenses consider distribution to be the same, regardless of whether its giving someone a product for free or for money

if you want to set restrictions on "you can give it to people for free, but not for money" you're usually not looking for an open source license anymore

[violet grotto]

It's also kind of sticky, because if I'm not active anymore, nothing's that wrong with reposting my project if the new dev maintains it

But I'd have a problem with it if someone does it now with bare changes

[upper flicker]

spigot will not allow reposts with minor edits unless you are gone

but the license would

as I said, spigot is more restrictive

[golden gust]

what you do is save up a ton of refactors, so that if they do rip it off, pull in those refactors and then watch them cry as you fix other bugs and such which they fall behind on

[violet grotto]

ah well. I suppose it's not a huge problem anyway. I'm used to pirates or other nonsense. This is small fish

[golden gust]

leak it yourself

[true canyon]

Is now the time for addressing the GPLephant in the room on licensing Bukkit plugins? You may as well label your work correctly as GPL and then just not worry about kids using your work because you're helping the community.

[violet grotto]

When I still had Kingdoms, there was another dev. He did leak it himself, but that one was modified with malware. Blackspigot took it down lmfao

Oh, so apache licence wasn't the right one?

[unkempt drift]

lol create a bunch of additional accounts, and "repost" it various places. I'd never of thought of that

[golden gust]

Only reason I've ever "obtained" a plugin is for testing, etc; most people would be willing to pay after they know a piece of software works and such, you can also update the leak much more slowly to compel people to pay for updates and support, etc

[true canyon]

I know several devs who "leak" their own work to ensure users get the right version, which I think is kinda funny

[golden gust]

(most people who don't pay, have 0 interest in ever paying or just need a bit of a lead into it, especially for plugins which are priced "highly" in this community to your average "getting started" server)

[violet grotto]

I'm likely gonna try to keep terraformgenerator open source even if I do make it paid, so that regard is okay to me

Because I'm hosting the free copy lol

(Then again kingdomsX also releases official free copies, and it appeared on blackspigot anyway lmfao)

blackspigot people be questionable

[golden gust]

it's just morons who refuse to read, basically

[warm anchor]

Dumb people doing dumb things

[golden gust]

Welcome to #paper

[unkempt drift]

lol what. just watched a numberphile video. demonstrates how if the human population keeps growing at its current rate, in about 8.5 thousand years, ALL of the universe's particles will be in humans... 8.5k years doesn't really sound like a lot

[warm anchor]

Hold your guns bro we don’t don’t even know if we can survival this corona

[void void]

🍞

[unreal pike]

Isn't snow supposed to put snow layers on solid blocks

[unkempt drift]

I don't think its supposed to add new layers, just put the first one on

[unreal pike]

or yeah that

I set some void biomes (using some spawn) as snowy tundra and set the weather to rain

snow comes down but doesnt create the snow sheets

any ideas?

[warm anchor]

What does the F3 said. Looking directly at the block where you think snow should form

I think there’s something about temp

[stiff yarrow]

I acquired so many console games for cheap today

Based sales

[untold copper]

finally

[void void]

It's rounded

They only display integer numbers , so if you were to have 99.51 you'd probably still get 100

[upbeat kelp]

lmao

[untold copper]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-stop-it-mj-michael-jordan-nope-gif-5098905

[rare tiger]

So I made this today. A while ago I shared a program that makes animations for armor stands, and now I can import them and use them ingame. This is the result. I can see this becoming a cool plugin once I finish it. Feedback is very much appreciated, and once again sorry if this is the wrong channel but you guys are usually nice abt this stuff ❤️
https://streamable.com/7oqq1v

And eventually my idea is to use the animation api to make little NPCs that can do chores for you :D

[potent fossil]

Good lord I can't get the CitizensAPI to be recognized in IJ whatsoever

Gradle has it, but IJ has no idea. Already invalidated caches

Alright, the Gradle plugin has it but IJ's "External Libraries" doesn't.

Ok...

[vernal moth]

Refresh?

[potent fossil]

I have multiple times

and invalidated caches & restarted

[vernal moth]

Delete iml file and idea folder (make sure to backup run configs if you care)

Or just delete the module in IJ

And Reimport just that

[potent fossil]

smh