why does he look depressed tho?
#general
worn ember
novel horizon
worn ember
no
next wind
๐ always looks depressed
austere ivy
๐
limpid comet
brian u missed the bonk play testing session :o
upper flicker
@austere ivy
limpid comet
_11, zerozero, and billy
there will be many more
honestly it's probably better this way, lots of bugs and improvements i need to make
limpid comet
will do, the more the merrier ๐
upper flicker
.tryitandsee
limber knotBOT
potent fossil
upper flicker
for important stuff
cunning raft
and saved no typing at all
cunning raft
dumfuk
upper flicker
waxen panther
z is spreading propganda in private servers
upper flicker
thats what private servers are for
upper flicker
no
potent fossil
potent fossil
well i just emailed my speech prof begging for godly leniency to let me go next week instead of tmrw
This isn't a group project, but yeah
bold zephyr
upper flicker
vouch
waxen panther
agreed
zealous wedge
not as dead as my hopes and dreams
potent fossil
what's the assignment?
@sly ruin Gotta give an informative speech 5-8 minutes. I'm just not ready atm.
But good news, prof just replied and said no worries and I can go next week so ๐
zealous wedge
yay that's good
potent fossil
yeah I was really stressing out but now I'm trying to chill lol
upper flicker
you got dis
potent fossil
thank you bby
waxen panther
we all love cat
short yarrow
Is static imports like a preference thing? I tend to only use static imports in unit tests
upper flicker
generally frowned upon in prod code outside of some specific instances
in tests its just a convenience thing
tests are tests, people do all sorts of awful shit in tests
short yarrow
Yeah I don't use static imports for my actual code, but one of my co-worker does. I found it a bit odd
upper flicker
assuming its not being ref'd all over, or the focus of the class, just reference the name as you would anything else
the places it tends to be more accepted tend to be specialized like the ASM lib
but ultimately, its your code its your choice
also using interfaces specifically for that is so frowned upon there's a name for that
Constant Interface Antipattern
upper flicker
pretty much the only good argument for it seems to be "its less code"
then again the one against it seems to boil down to "its wrong"
so we're back to, it's your code, it's your choice
I wouldnt send it anywhere you wanted a job though
limpid comet
@viral hornet interestingly, you don't even need multishot to throw 3 projectiles, guess the server does it anyways (and yes is majorly scuffed, just found out from this bug)
short yarrow
For hard coded string, such as a hard coded comment. someMethod(someOtherArg, "My hard coded comment"). Would you make a variable for the comment (more specifically a private constant)? I usually don't, but what I started doing was making hard coded strings into a private constant (I think it's a bit odd) since it's like that in the entire codebase I might as well be consistent with the code base.
upper flicker
really depends on the context
strings can themselves be magic values
magic values should be extracted out
most people just psfv that and call it good
short yarrow
Yeah I did that for something like hard coded IDs
so it's easy to understand what the string is
but comments on the other hand I feel like it's unnecessary
upper flicker
that being said, you dont extract debug messages usually
most small codebases dont extract user facing stuff or log messages until they want multilang
then they basically have to
context is good
short yarrow
yeah not debug messages. Just hard coded strings passed to methods. Gonna to find a concrete example
Seems like the reason hard coded strings are package-private constants is so it can be used in tests
upper flicker
generally exposing stuff just for tests is frowned upon
but that one is a little more opinionated
and there are certainly good times to do it, its not a hard and fast rule
short yarrow
Yeah I find it a bit odd, but I see why people do it
formal turret
Constant Interface Antipattern is the bad design putting the constant inside an interface and then implementing the interface in your class or is it also the use of public static final constants
looks like the first but just wondering
upper flicker
its the first primarily
cosmic raft
blah
upper flicker
most of the time you shouldnt be doing it at all
thats just gross
but so is using an interface class in general to hold constants when any other class would do
Im not really sure what that buys you over just a normal psfv in a final class
other than more ugly
short yarrow
I want to write beautiful code. Thought industry would be a lot different, but I find a lot of stuff done that's being done at my company weird
upper flicker
industry is not necessarily the place for beautiful code
"enterprise-grade" is a bit of a meme
short yarrow
Yeah. At my company I think builder pattern is abused
it's used literally everywhere
I think that's the due to the ease of creating a builder though since we use lombok and you can slap on @Builder
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
limpid comet
i just write my own builders, i don't trust lombok builders
upper flicker
I generally dont like stuff that tries to do "magic" between me and the compiler
eventually you will have to see how the magic is done
and thats always bad
upper flicker
especially now with how easy it is to generate all that stuff automatically
limpid comet
the only lombok features i use is getter/setter annotations
limpid comet
lol'd
upper flicker
"why is x tool spitting out garbage, let's dig into the magic and see"
no one wants to see how the sausage is made
short yarrow
Builders literally everywhere, even for classes with 1 field. We need to not log certain exceptions as errors because they're not really errors on our end otherwise an alarm will trigger
cosmic raft
@upper flicker my favourite is when the lombok plugin for intellij broke, and the author had to ask jetbrains for help because of how bad the plugin hacks into things
lol
upper flicker
yeah see ugh
short yarrow
I think lombok is used pretty heavily in industry
short yarrow
apparently people love it. I don't really like it because it makes the code inconsistent. Some classes use lombok, some don't because it doesn't work
upper flicker
plenty of good places writing good code with out weird alarms tripping on stupid crap
cosmic raft
golden gust
Lombok is like marmite
upper flicker
but you know, plenty of bad devs at bad places doing bad things
golden gust
You either love it, or you hate it
The good news is that the lombok plugin is being integrated into IJ
The bad news is, that that might be the stepping stone for some to consider lombok viable now ๐ฆ
short yarrow
๐ฎ
golden gust
Yup, was in the last EAP post
cosmic raft
fuck that
golden gust
No idea if it's pushed out yet though or not
upper flicker
back to eclipse
cosmic raft
I'm switching to DrJava
upper flicker
let me start cutting my wrists
cosmic raft
that's not very paper 2.0 of you Z
waxen panther
๐ณ
marble lark
that's not very paper 2.0 of you Z
THere's a Paper v2?
minor badge
its a joke on the community guidelines
finite wave
It made Paper less sketchy, usually iโd just call people spedalsk and so on in here, but as of community guidelines i have to be less of a dick
@waxen panther Youโre not a weeb anymore?
finite wave
Weebs fuck cats itโs a fact
finite wave
Hmm
worn pasture
what in tarnation
untold copper
guys
i failed my science exam
...
29.5/40
time to die
uh
motion
tissues
atoms and molecules
yes
biology
tissues
9th
tho i got 38/40 in english
which is good
i guess
yea i mostly failed this time
gotta study more in term 2
potent fossil
hmm, for some reason my child vue component isn't able to inherit the height of it's direct parent (in a different vue component), so I can't get flexbox to vertically center... o.o. Tried unscoping the styles as I figured that would fuck it...
But...wtf
vernal moth
Well, Vue has nothing to do with style
potent fossil
I was hoping mini will reply, fix it for me mini!
vernal moth
Check your rendered html
potent fossil
I am
vernal moth
Tired like setting hight to 100% on the child?
potent fossil
https://owo.whats-th.is/6zkGrap.png
app-container is direct parent, has height 740px: https://owo.whats-th.is/2hBHLKD.png
centered-box--container is direct child, has height 100%: https://owo.whats-th.is/3SzVQLn.png
and yet: https://owo.whats-th.is/7yFXtF8.png
:'(
when I hover centered-box--container, its height is 124px
If I set an expicit height on the container, like 500px, it works
so idk. height: 100% aint workin
vernal moth
can you shove that into a codepen quickly?
potent fossil
inb4 it works in codepen
its kind of a big app but hold on ill see if i can get a minimal repro
vernal moth
well, the 3 screenshots look like a minimal repro to me
potent fossil
you mean just codepen w/o the vue stuff yea? just write the html
vernal moth
height with % only works if you define height on parent, you do min-height, that should be enough
yeah
ashen cliff
We just use transform, since most browsers support it.
vernal moth
"java: Compilation failed: internal java compiler error"
love to see it
why am I always the idiot that runs into NPEs IN THE FUCKING COMPILER?!
unreal quarry
Man.. I haven't done web dev stuff since css came around to replace tables for layouts. The 100% height has always been an issue with css lol
There are some tricks to make it work, tho
Just nothing that works for all browsers
potent fossil
didnt include navbar, but yea https://codepen.io/algorithmjunkie/full/zYBWZZj
same thing
i suppose it doesnt look so bad not centered but meh
does the container itself need a height? is it looking that far? cause that does indeed not have an explicit height... :/
wtf
vernal moth
yeah seems like you want an explicit defined height
potent fossil
you know what fuck it, this is just a school project. ill do a scrollbar if it overflows that 740px 
oh ok mini
that works i guess
nvm that just fucked the whole thing
which container did you apply 100vh to mini cuz that didn't work in codepen for me
vernal moth
lemme reload
potent fossil
i assumed the bootstrap container
vernal moth
nah the direct parent
vernal moth
its min height tho
potent fossil
but in any case, height worked instead of min-height :/
vernal moth
that doesn't work for percentage
potent fossil
height works, so i can just use a styled scrollbar if it overflows that 740px. that'll just have to do
vernal moth
it seems like you need an explicit constant value as parent height for percentage to work
worn pasture
height: 100% only works when the parent element has it's height set.
html {
height: 100%;
}
body {
min-height: 100%;
}
should do the trick, then just set 100% height to any child elements
worn pasture
or just
body {
min-height: 100vh;
}
but that has issues on mobile
potent fossil
didn't seem to make a change when using min-height on the direct parent
it's like this now https://codepen.io/algorithmjunkie/pen/zYBWZZj
vernal moth
changing my project jdk to 15 fixed the compiler NPE, thats nice
potent fossil
:o
well yeah the html and body rules don't help because nuxt applies multiply outer elements, so codepen isn't an exact repro
however didn't work in codepen as well
I'll just work with an explicit container height and make a nice scrollbar, that'll do just fine
thanks guys
wot
potent fossil
lol that'll send a message...
vernal moth
gh doesnt care
they wanna bring ytdl back too
they are not to blame for any of this
vernal moth
not accusing you
ashen cliff
Shooting the messenger is our style.
vernal moth
no thats what I mean, why would they fix the bug?
they only need to remove content if requested
potent fossil
idk, looks bad
potent fossil
oh i thought the dmca content got overwritten it's just a random commit hash
vernal moth
the bug is that you can view fork commits in parent repos
I think after a PR, not 100% sure
potent fossil
yeah can see that now
vernal moth
this commit is not part of the repo
its not part of any repo
basically, a PR copies your branch
and stores it forever
potent fossil
alright well it's not nearly as interesting as i thought it was then
ashen cliff
You know what else is fun?
Hunting down firmware for old yet still supported networking devices, where the company got acquired 2 times in the last 3 years.
quasi valley
gotta find the sketchy reupload hidden in some random forum in a thread with a single response from 2005
viral hornet
GOOD MORNING @quasi valley
quasi valley
good morning coumm
worn ember
green turret
kneny, as seen on television.
worn ember
hmmm essentials is fucking up rtp 
unique snow
This is the way
vernal moth
wooooooooooooo
my company is getting cloudflare
fucking finally
that will save me around 200ms on every single request
lmao
this is what am dealing with
it gets a bit better once the connection is open
but man
worn ember
why is it so slow
vernal moth
see
our infra is build around a principle
between any given two firewalls/reverse proxies/loadbalancer, there is always room for another firewall/reverse proxy/load balancer
we terminate ssl at least twice
worn ember
but why
untold copper
yey im starting CSS
potent fossil
grats
untold copper
worn ember
yikes
untold copper
grats
TY UWU
potent fossil
lol
ashen cliff
That SeCUrITy better be running on a Pentium 4 to maximize the pain.
Why is our gigabit firewall so slow?
Well. It's not like it's running a AMD Sempron or better yet, your load balancer is running a good old Pentium 4.
vernal moth
not sure whatr our infra runs on
most our servers run on esxi
and fujitsu primergy shut
twin lagoon
intel power control 
ashen cliff
ashen cliff
We usually run stuff like this: https://posili.me/i/2020-10-30_10-55-49.png
Don't question the cardboard.
ashen cliff
Let's hope their updated.
potent fossil
mainframe
vernal moth
that whole thing is filled to the roof with storage
vernal moth
https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/771673250379464735 this was the mainframe
potent fossil
sexy
vernal moth
I am not sure what we at right now, last time I asked we were at like 5pb
potent fossil
vernal moth
using a whole row of these plus controller hardware
but I havent been down in our basement for one or two years now
maybe I should once covid is over, before we move most shit into the cloud
even our fucking mainframe we will move, lmao
cloud scale cobol anyone?!
worn ember
you should date my friend, she loves cobol
vernal moth
I don't like cobol, lol
vernal moth
I can read and write it but thats about it
actually, cobol is ok
the mainframe is what makes it bad
if I could write cobol in vsc and use git 90% of the pain of cobol would go away, lol
ashen cliff
Just so you know, I'm ready to adopt that mainframe, if it needs a new home.
vernal moth
pretty sure we rent it from IBM for half a kidney
ashen cliff
Oh no.
Well at least replace broken hardware for free.
I assume you have the watercooled version?
vernal moth
no clue
I dont think I ever looked under the hood
remember, am just a dev, I have to annoy somebody long enough to take me down there ๐
worn ember
just tell them you're gonna improve the mainframe by deleting the cobol
vernal moth
normally new collages get a tour, as part of the general company tour, and I sometimes sneak in
ashen cliff
Imagine not having an all access card.
worn ember
weird flex but ok
vernal moth
no such thing exists
ashen cliff
I have janitor cards to multiple places.
worn ember
ah, you're the janitor
vernal moth
access to RC is not via your personal card
ashen cliff
Sadge.
worn ember
Insurance is no joke
vernal moth
also, no janitor ever entered that RC I would hope
ashen cliff
Hope.
worn ember
then who cleans it
vernal moth
if you use css color constants you are ded to me
ashen cliff
Dedusting servers with Russian USB sticks.
ashen cliff
Got to get them CPU fans ramping up.
potent fossil
yes
untold copper
o
ashen cliff
Not using RGBA.
potent fossil
that's an option too
vernal moth
everything but constants
lol
ideally you use variables
either via scss or native
worn ember
bruh
untold copper
h2 {
color: #008000;
}
Better?
worn ember
i literally never used css variables in my entire design career
potent fossil
don't confuse the poor lad, he JUST entered the css section in whatever course he's doing
worn ember
when you gonna start contributing to hangar?
untold copper
who mE?
worn ember
yes you
untold copper
whats hangar o.O
worn ember
papers plugin project
ashen cliff
Another one.
worn ember
well this one is actually getting somewhere
ashen cliff
True that.
vernal moth
https://hangar.minidigger.me/ if you are curious
or #hangar-dev
it has auto import of spigot descriptions ๐
potent fossil
yup
untold copper
kewl
untold copper
true lol
Martin
i don't even understand how github works
im not ready for anything XD
potent fossil
rip her but css color constants are disgusting
potent fossil
i know who eric meyer is
vernal moth
I first learned about him by using reset css
unique snow
Physicists at the University of Rochester discovered created a material that at 15C or below acts as a superconductor. One of the Vitaly Ginzburg holy grail discoveries.
ashen cliff
Time to patent it, to stop innovation.
potent fossil
cbs all access do be getting on my nerves
it just conveniently forgets what season you're looking at when you choose an episode
always just shows s1
void void
wtf ewg
/setblock 0 0 0 minecraft:repeating_command_block[conditional=false,facing=up]{Command:'kill @e[type=villager,nbt={profession:cartographer}]',auto:1} destroy
humble falcon
epic world generator apparently
i also thought it had to do with worldguard lol
/setblock 0 0 0 minecraft:repeating_command_block[conditional=false,facing=up]{Command:'kill @e[type=villager,nbt={profession:cartographer}]',auto:1} destroy
I mean the screenshots look good but for 28$ i kinda expect better crash prevention lmao
ashen cliff
Epic.
mossy vessel
Wondering if ewg works now on paper
void void
it does
worn ember
mossy vessel
oic
worn ember
void void
ewwwwwwww
fucking ewg
who thought this is a good idea
for f in **/*.json; do echo ">>> '${f}'"; jq '.overlaySettings.leavesBlock.chance = 0' < "${f}" | sponge "${f}"; done
fuck this feature
worn ember
the fuck is that
void void
sec
worn ember
is that java?
void void
worn ember
leaf
void void
worn ember
NMF will make a better one amirite?
ashen cliff
Daily reminder: https://posili.me/i/2020-10-30_13-08-19.png
worn ember
how to become female for cheap
untold copper
Behold, The gender bender!!
mossy vessel
fancy shaders
cunning raft
That's enough paper general for today
untold copper
kek
worn ember
does anyone know if dependabot can search dependencies in sub modules?
visual egret
hypixel is smarter and uses maven. Be like hypixel ๐
worn ember
i just use maven cuz i cba to learn gradle properly
mossy vessel
It's a shame that knowledge like that needs to be outlined as plus, since those are fundamentals everyone should know how to use.
worn ember
im literal garbage and even i know those (to some extend)
mossy vessel
Former applies
olive garden
who the hell are Hypixel hiring? Graphic designers? How is git not a must? Or do they believe that they can just teach that? Are they trying to employ newgrads who have never had any work experience?
untold copper
c h i l l
mossy vessel
Git is a must, mercurial a bonus 
vernal moth
there are plenty of other SCMs in the game dev world
since git isnt used on big game projects cause it cant handle binary well
or big assets in general
perforce is a popular one for example
olive garden
lol
worn ember
it really bothers me that maven searches all repo's
vernal moth
well, it caches the resolution
worn ember
so i'm getting 200 and then a few 404's and then i think something broke
but its just doing its thing
olive garden
I love how IJ displays an "error" when it's unable to find the dependency in an unrelated repository. But everything still compiles fine, it's probably just an inner dependency of some provided dependency that's missing.
topaz mortar
CubeCraft is hiring as well.
A long list of enterprise requirements but only up to 17ยฃ/h don't know what they are expecting...
slim nymph
prob copy pasted standard job rec text lol
job recs always over ask
.wa 17ยฃ to usd
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: $22.00 (US dollars) (29/10/2020) - https://is.gd/VN7JbP
olive garden
@worn ember But it's about the work you do! Money is not what this work is about! You will be able to work on a game you love!
/s
worn ember
yes so much love
marble lark
is it just me or does Minecraft PC (Java Edition) slowly start to run faster the longer you play it for?
olive garden
I'm here to give you all the love you need DED
wide chasm
Yes, it does Sherman
marble lark
hm?
slim nymph
its always gross
worn ember
marble lark
I dunno it always lags significantly more when i first boot it up and then runs blazingly fast whenever I forget to turn it off and leave it running for hours
slim nymph
though us does get paid more, but im not in CA, im in a medium COL area
wide chasm
Yes, that's how Java works
marble lark
that's a thing?
wide chasm
Yes, it is
marble lark
how did I not know that
upper flicker
so stef, how have you been darling?
worn ember
it gotta heat up its engine first before it can go brrr
marble lark
it gotta heat up its engine first before it can go brrr
Is that just a Java thing or does that apply anywhere else
wide chasm
It could apply elsewhere, but not necessarily to every other language
upper flicker
certainly applies to cars
olive garden
๐
topaz mortar
.wa 17ยฃ to โฌ
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: โฌ18.80 (euros) (29/10/2020) - https://is.gd/SWM5dZ
marble lark
odd though does the JVM just decide "Ey Imma run faster now" and then just randomly speed up for some reason
wide chasm
The JVM will perform optimizations once it knows how the code behaves
To know how the code behaves, it has to run the code for some time
worn ember
its evolving
olive garden
It could store (cache between executions) how the code behaves ๐
wide chasm
So it will run slow code for a while, then notice it can optimize x part of the code and do so and the code becomes faster
upper flicker
usually the gains diminish pretty fast
olive garden
but JIT ain't be like that
upper flicker
its not like running it for 15 days will make it faster than 10
topaz mortar
I expect around 28 โฌ when I start working with my master degree. Aikar
upper flicker
the JVM is pretty quick to start figuring stuff out
marble lark
I thought all the optimization happened when you compiled it in your IDE xd
upper flicker
but then again, Minecraft ๐
wide chasm
I think the only optimization compiling may make is turning 2 + 2 into 4
When it's a constant
upper flicker
javac basically does nothing
olive garden
Well, time to read about JIT my friend. And then time to read about the black magic regading CPU code execution/parsing/etc
upper flicker
which makes it a bit different than most other compilers
wide chasm
But the optimizing on the fly is really noticeable if you're running on a not so good device
olive garden
like stef and the 4 minutes long unit tests lmao
marble lark
its not like running it for 15 days will make it faster than 10
Obviously not something like that but it does run noticeably faster when Minecraft is on for a while (20FPS when first booted to 150FPS on max graphics settings)
(I only use Vanilla so I can rule mods out)
upper flicker
well when MC first boots its also doing a bunch of shit
wide chasm
Minecraft for me is pretty much unplayable when booting up, after 5-10 minutes it gets playable
marble lark
Minecraft for me is pretty much unplayable when booting up, after 5-10 minutes it gets playable
^^
upper flicker
some of that is just "its doing more"
anyway, zzzcat has been running for a long time now and he only seems to get slower and slower
checkmate java enthusiasts
marble lark
how do you do a websearch with the bot here again
I've seen some people do it
anyway, zzzcat has been running for a long time now and he only seems to get slower and slower
burnnnn
upper flicker
.g weather in new york, ny
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/New+York+City+NY?canonicalCityId=a701ee19c4ab71bbbe2f6ba2fe8c250913883e5ae9b8eee8b54f8efbdb3eec03 -- New York City, NY 10-Day Weather Forecast - The Weather ...: "Be prepared with the most accurate 10-day forecast for New York City, NY with highs, lows, chance of precipitation from The Weather Channel andย ..."
upper flicker
.wa number of penguins on the planet
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: (data not available) - https://is.gd/oboQ5i
upper flicker
wolfram really letting me down lately smh
marble lark
.g Why does Java run faster after some time
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16970191/why-does-my-algorithm-become-faster-after-having-executed-several-times-java -- Why does my algorithm become faster after having executed...: "As the call count reaches threshold , JIT compiles and optimizes the bytecodes so that it run faster when next time it is called by JVM ...."
void void
Or one of the plenty modern forks
@mossy vessel huh there are some?
.g openterraingenerator fork
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/Auburns/OpenTerrainGenerator -- Auburn/OpenTerrainGenerator: Minecraft Terrain Generator...: "OpenTerrainGenerator (A TerrainControl fork) by PG85/PeeGee85. OpenTerrainGenerator is an advanced world generator for Minecraft. Through variousย ..."
mossy vessel
It works on 1.16.3 as well ig
void void
๐ฅบ
@ashen nacelle why did you dm me with a link to a discord server?
uh oh
he may be advertising
/spamming
mods, get the ban hammer ready lol
lets see how adamwbb responds
bc I haven't talked in this discord server in like weeks, so if they msg'd me randomly, they must've msg'd other ppl too
should I ping the mods?
minor badge
we read chat :)
unreal quarry
Just ignore him lol
void void
ok lol
unreal quarry
I get hundreds of random dms a day because I'm in the top page of user list on many guilds :3
void void
lol
viral hornet
that is not the way ๐ฆ
void void
unreal quarry
I tried, z. It's not retroactive on guilds you're already in :(
void void
du u kno da we?
upper flicker
If you set it to friends only its not retroactive?
void void
upper flicker
I couldve sworn mine worked fine
it has been a long time now though so... shrug I guess?
upper flicker
I was thinking there was a different setting
unreal quarry
Lot of one way conversations up in my dms
upper flicker
but Im not seeing it, guess I just misremembered
or they changed it just to screw with me ๐
it's all a big conspiracy
upper flicker
poor camm
viral hornet
mighty storm
I love how it says "It does not apply retroactively to your existing servers" then as soon as you select it, it asks if you want to retroactively apply it to your existing servers
like why even have that
cedar spade
Must be recent-ish, I don't recall it doing that in the past
Or maybe it's just a shared translation between desktop and mobile which might not have that prompt?
ashen cliff
Well, they broke settings somehow: https://posili.me/i/2020-10-30_16-43-36.png
My setting is actually Animate on interaction, but it shows as always.
viral hornet
@twin lagoon ๐ฅบ
twin lagoon
๐ฅบ
upper flicker
candy corn eyes
quasi valley
thanks, I will never be able to unsee that
limber knotBOT
hm?
mighty storm
thats why i always 
cedar spade
proud comet
peak webdev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApR-kNXxLUs
unreal quarry
i wrote code. the end
pulsar wigeon
imagine going so far for the joke that you write a real extension
proud comet
Ben awad is quite funny
short yarrow
If I have an API that fetches stuff from a databases (For my UI). For my discord bot, should I use the API or fetch data directly from the database itself to minimize response time?
upper flicker
tbh that is pretty funny
presumably you made the API to use it
unless your API is significantly slower than direct DB access...
or there's some thing you want to do that isnt exposed well in your API but is easier from DB
proud comet
I mean up to you, I its more secure for you to use an API to access it instead of directly accessing the db
short yarrow
Yeah the API is meant for the UI, but I also want a discord bot. So I was like I guess I can use my API for that, but would the response time be a problem
upper flicker
usually if Im adding an API for something Im wanting to use that, if for no other reason than the abstraction I must've wanted such to make an API
is your time served better by fixing the latency issue on your API?
proud comet
separate the API from the UI and have a generic API
cedar spade
Nobody can predict your hypothetical for you, so if you're worried about response time, test and measure
cedar spade
.try
limber knotBOT
short yarrow
I haven't started work on the API yet. I don't think latency will be an issue though, but it could possibly. So yeah gotta work on it haha
upper flicker
UI can also be pretty sensitive to latency so I wouldnt start out planning for it to be that slow
especially if its just a thin abstraction over your DB
the nature of what youre doing with the bot will also obviously determine how sensitive it is to latency
short yarrow
Yeah at work I'm working on a UI and API calls take (what I consider long) 600ms-1s. I'm using angular so I feel the delay since the entire page doesn't have to reload
upper flicker
I mean I can have a bot download an attachment from discord, parse it, then upload it back to a hosting site in like 100ms on the right server
so even if youre chaining web reqs, which is you know, never fast fast, it can still be fast enough
mental meadow
?ban @ashen nacelle Advertising
leaden oxideBOT
adamwbb#3216 was banned | Advertising
woven otter
cedar spade
Wait haven't they been banned in the past
unreal quarry
kashike warned them for something the other day
mental meadow
?modlogs 771743810584969246
leaden oxideBOT
No logs found for that user.
mental meadow
oof
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thats the message id
next wind
hes been muted by aikar before but i think thats it
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@mental meadow uwu
unreal quarry
so i made a 2nd character in bless unleashed last night. spent a solid hour in the character creator menu working up the perfect look. get it in game and find out its about belly button high to everyone else.. ๐ฆ
golden gust
Baahahahahaaaaa
used to run a sorta like kingdoms RP server, we had dwarves as one of the races and it was a popular one for PvP'ers because of axes
Used to say about how they where always pissed off coz they where dragging their sack across the floor all day with how short they where
unreal quarry
lmao
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kingdoms rp servers were fun
spare zephyr
@void void
still cosmos
X: -2602
Y: 102
Z: -16
still cosmos
open an issue about that in essx repo
afaik they have this message
untold copper
Guys, how do I move out of this folder
its not letting me
into the /home directory
void void
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please dont open an issue in essx
youll probably just be told to fuck off if you cant read the message
void void
lol
untold copper
?
still cosmos
uhhh
void void
Bruh they aren't even working
still cosmos
you can try making a plugin yourself that has proper formatting
other than that, idk
waxen panther
Gamer moment
void void
I think I deleted them with w/e
minor badge
not the right world...
waxen panther
Lmao
void void
I think I deleted them with w/e
@void void The command blocks
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@waxen panther rui ueyama cat
still cosmos
check other worlds
void void
okay
ashen cliff
Having command blocks enabled.
waxen panther
Rui Ueyama cat
still cosmos
command blocks are cool
waxen panther
I donโt feel well Proxi nurse me pls ty
viral hornet
Hahahaha
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whats wrong brocc
quasi valley
how's spider country today
viral hornet
Not great for him lmao
waxen panther
felt faint at gym 
untold copper
Camm where you from o.o
stiff yarrow
can you bill an employer for time you spend filling out ACA since its mandatory and required by law?
quasi valley
spider country
untold copper
whats that kneny?
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow "filling out"?
guess better clarify what ACA means to you, as that doesnt make sense for obama care
waxen panther
Camm is from upside down area
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph not asking on the behalf of me, but a friend asked. Apparently you are required to get health insurance under ACA, and they were wondering if that meant you could bill your employer for filling it out. My thoughts are no, as its a government mandate and not employer.
twin lagoon
camm what the FUCK
unreal quarry
i'd view it as the same thing as billing an employer for filling out your resume.. thats just a dumb idea, imho
stiff yarrow
I think they made the connection because the health insurance is done through employer website
viral hornet
Hahahaha michael
twin lagoon
stiff yarrow
also I just found out pdfs can have passwords to prevent printing, but those passwords are easily removed, so yeah... what
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow correct, but i believe the individual mandate got trumped
stiff yarrow
trumped?
slim nymph
as in he removed it
the trump tax changes removed the mandate starting in 2019 (just looked it up to confirm)
stiff yarrow
looks like it just removed the penalty?
slim nymph
which is the same thing lol
unreal quarry
indeed, i was so glad the penalty was removed ^_^ got tired of paying it every year
stiff yarrow
billy that best be some sarcasm
unreal quarry
negative
slim nymph
sadly not
waxen panther
billy moment
stiff yarrow
you should have health insurance at your age
unreal quarry
at my age ^_^
stiff yarrow
don't you have like 10 kids and wild lifestlye
slim nymph
Obamacare was really misunderstood by the poor. Those thinking they couldnt afford it would of ended up getting it for free
unreal quarry
5 kids, yes, but i'm only 36 lol
stiff yarrow
what if you motorcyle coma yourself and bankrupt your family
slim nymph
im taking it nossr doesnt know what just happened to billy ๐ฆ
golden gust
The issue is the gap between "legally can't afford it" and "practically can't afford it"
stiff yarrow
no I'm not up to date on billy news
unreal quarry
dont think so, aikar
i just had open heart surgery (triple bypass) after a major heart attack
waxen panther
stiff yarrow
ooof
slim nymph
without insurance ๐
unreal quarry
kinda
slim nymph
did something work out with the charity things?
stiff yarrow
oooof
I hope you can gofundme the bill away
open enrollment starts soon please get healthcare
unreal quarry
the hospital put me on some kind of insurance thing, idk what it is exactly. and the rest of the bill is being footed by some hospital program
i only have to pay for some small stuff here and there
stiff yarrow
you're lucky then
you might not be so lucky next horrible health incident
was the heart condition from being unhealthy or genetic? #nutrition-science can help
unreal quarry
i'm avoiding #nutrition-science ever since aikar said fasting for 48 hours is healthy lol
did they retro apply you to medicare or something?
@slim nymph not exactly sure what it was. its some kind of charity thing i think
slim nymph
well "healthy" it is, just HARD to do when not on keto lol
stiff yarrow
Billy there's a word for that
slim nymph
on keto its a lot easier
stiff yarrow
its called cognitive dissonance
golden gust
Do you really think that we survived thousands of years having to be able to eat like 3 times a day or whatever?
stiff yarrow
there are healthy ways to fast, with that said it wouldn't surprise me if a large portion of fasters weren't being good about stuff like potassium
slim nymph
going into long fast essentially forces you into keto, but i dont recommend doing introduction to keto from fasting ๐ wont be pleasant lol
golden gust
and that's how you died
viral hornet
:(
stiff yarrow
going into keto suddenly on a fast without your body getting good at it first sounds sketch
so I wouldn't fast without being keto first
slim nymph
i doubt its much of a health issue, just psychologically rough
everyone who fasts for religious purposes does it
stiff yarrow
Sort of but those are usually short term fasts
they might not even reach keto by the end of it
unreal quarry
votes to move keto talk back into #nutrition-science so it can be ignored
slim nymph
i believe muslims do it for a week?
stiff yarrow
I thought it was a day
stiff yarrow
anyways back to intervention on Billy
golden gust
and then basically gourge the fuck as soon as it goes down
stiff yarrow
Billy you live in a country where health insurance means life or death, you should get health insurance
viral hornet
Is it that easy tho lol
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health insurance is definitely a good idea yes
stiff yarrow
yeah it is
twin lagoon
lol
stiff yarrow
if you are employed
viral hornet
I dont lol
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european moment
twin lagoon
camm fucking die
cedar spade
no u
twin lagoon
golden gust
I bet that as a EU member we wait longer in hospital for a broken arm, or in general for treatment of anything that's not imminently life threatening
stiff yarrow
I pay the full cost of health insurance and its ridiculous (over 400 a month) but I would rather pay that than get in an accident and go bankrupt
twin lagoon
400 month lul
golden gust
But, hey, it's free at the desk 
wide chasm
Just make the government pay for health insurance, easy
unreal quarry
I pay the full cost of health insurance and its ridiculous (over 400 a month) but I would rather pay that then get in an accident and go bankrupt
@stiff yarrow lucky. mine was $1400/mo
thats why i dont buy it
stiff yarrow
@twin lagoon in america employers will pay part of the cost, but I'm my own employer
twin lagoon
lul
golden gust
Only if you work so many hours
unreal quarry
blame obama. it was $17/wk before him
stiff yarrow
where do you live
golden gust
And, ACA caused many companies to cut back on hours and cause many people to get a second job, woooo
wide chasm
And that's the story of how Billy voted for Trump
golden gust
The issue with those plans is that they don't consider the side effects
viral hornet
camm fucking die
@twin lagoon that wasn't very nice Michael :(
golden gust
primary effect: Yay, higher % of people are insured
down side: Many more have lost their jobs or have had hours cut back, etc
Nobody will speak about the latter, but, hey, more insured people!
twin lagoon
@viral hornet 
golden gust
Plans in some areas also skyrocketed to all shit
unreal quarry
its funny how companies will raise their prices as soon as their product is mandatory by law
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
slim nymph
obamacare was not 1400/mo, you did something wrong or talked to the wrong people
and for low income, it was subsized too
unreal quarry
i couldnt get obamacare. i made too much money. the insurance through my job was $1400/mo
twin lagoon
imagine not paying atleast 83,25 eur for basic health insurance
unreal quarry
BCBS
slim nymph
that was your own job saying fuck you
twin lagoon
stiff yarrow
Is billy low income?
viral hornet
Bruh
stiff yarrow
Billy why not go open enrollment then
viral hornet
Wtf
unreal quarry
because i sit right on the poverty line, nossr
golden gust
billy sounds like he's in that "fuck off" area between not being poor but not being well off
stiff yarrow
Arenโt you a programmer
slim nymph
he doesnt program for a profession for some reason ๐ฆ
unreal quarry
everyone above the poverty line doesnt want me cause i make too little. everyone below the povertyy line doesnt want me because i make too much
its a horrible place to be
stiff yarrow
he doesnt program for a profession for some reason ๐ฆ
@slim nymph Nani
Why are you not doing the high paying job you are qualified for
unreal quarry
i'm not qualified
slim nymph
yes you are lol
unreal quarry
tell your boss you want less money, ez solve
@rugged pilot i've actually quit jobs for that lmao
slim nymph
i can assure you that you have more experience than some of my own coworkers even
stiff yarrow
Billy you are definitely hireable
golden gust
Billy, as much as you're a n00b, you probably have better crediability vs people comming out of college, etc
unreal quarry
i can assure you that you have more experience than some of my own coworkers even
@slim nymph tell that to the contact-less hiring process
stiff yarrow
@rugged pilot i've actually quit jobs for that lmao
@unreal quarry now I need to hear the story
slim nymph
yes, first job is hard to "prove" that
golden gust
Gotta find companies that care about people vs companies that care about paper
slim nymph
thats mainly "how to fluff resume with the right things" problem to solve
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or companies that care abt Paper :>
slim nymph
including all open source projects is something you want to do on resume
void void
@solemn hull you were memeing about villager lobotomizer, wen open source smh
unreal quarry
@unreal quarry now I need to hear the story
@stiff yarrow i was trying to get into a specific apartment. they said I made too much money to move in (weird requirement, but ok). so i quit my job and wokred fast food for a few months just to get under the requirement and got in
stiff yarrow
What was so special about that apartment
slim nymph
unreal quarry
it was affordable
slim nymph
thats on my linkedin lol
stiff yarrow
Billy are you describing section 8 housing
unreal quarry
no idea what that is, nossr
slim nymph
i did in the same context we do here on paper @rugged pilot
unreal quarry
it was for $950/mo, so doubt it
stiff yarrow
Reduced rent for poor people
unreal quarry
yeah, highly doubt it since those are usually $300/mo
my current apartment is $1100/mo (and this is 15 years later)
stiff yarrow
And after a heart attack are you still going to avoid health insurance?
golden gust
I've seen some places in the US where there are govenment schemes which basically "pay the difference" between what people on certain incomes can afford on the rent
slim nymph
i wouldnt go that far @rugged pilot ๐
golden gust
landlords in some areas can basically have higher effective rents due to those types of oddball things
unreal quarry
And after a heart attack are you still going to avoid health insurance?
@stiff yarrow yes, because its a scam tbh
unless the prices go down, i will remain insurance-less
slim nymph
detail things that if someone looks deeper into you wouldnt be ashamed lol
stiff yarrow
I canโt tell if you are being sarcastic billy
golden gust
I mean, generally, you technically didn't
most of the stores are franchises, so you're really just working for a smaller chain
slim nymph
the franchise owner has a "contract" with the actual mcdonalds
but that doesnt directly tie to the workers
mcdonalds workers work for some company that has bought the permission to use the mcdonalds brand is all
untold copper
how to make ender dragon summonable without egg in minecraft?
I've seen a server do it
unreal quarry
@untold copper you'd need a plugin to spawn the dragon in and then attach it to the battle manager
untold copper
@unreal quarry whA
slim nymph
billy, i would def recommend trying hard to get into dev as a career, just gotta not give up. if you want any resume advice just send it.
stiff yarrow
in open enrollment there are 200/month plans, even that will save you a fortune
slim nymph
specially now with the attack, prob not best to do blue collar jobs
stiff yarrow
your likelihood to have another heart attack is probably guaranteed at this point
unreal quarry
billy, i would def recommend trying hard to get into dev as a career, just gotta not give up. if you want any resume advice just send it.
probs will end up doing that since i cant work labor anymore
slim nymph
i see no response lol
golden gust
can't even use a keyboard and this guy is planning to maintain code
slim nymph
i give career advice out often, if anyone needs tips just ask
stiff yarrow
anyone I know whose ever had one heart attack has a second one, and a third, and so on until you croak
slim nymph
i too had a hard fucking time for the first
unreal quarry
i'll hit you up in a few months, aikar. i'm sitting in the side lines for the next 6 months or so (doctors orders)
slim nymph
well, yes too early to apply for a job ๐
unreal quarry
fun fact: i'm not allowed to lift more than 10 lbs until january
golden gust
github exists
untold copper
Lol I do commissions tho
slim nymph
but if you want to do this career, now is not too early to work towards it
golden gust
learn programming, make a portfolio
untold copper
I've done lots
slim nymph
do as much projects as you can, contract work is great too
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph I'll may hit you up for that career advice if the self employed route goes south
golden gust
I'm mostly freelancing coz corona and health and, bleh