I can't test it right now as I work.
#hangar-dev
ripe leaf
random badger
Yeah, the sequence thing is gonna need to be fixed first tho
solemn zenith
I've tried making an account with the usernames Tim203 and Tim203mc. Only after I've tried it for the second time I started to read the error message
radiant raptor
hmm how do i remind myself before i commit anything to check linting
pallid yoke
there should be a git commit hook
radiant raptor
hm, should look into that then
crimson flower
https://i.imgur.com/3smxNmB.png
That's a lot of projects my guy
radiant raptor
yep
fluid stratus
ig category also
radiant raptor
tools is used in dutch, no?
as a borrow word π
Administratorgereedschap sounds kinda stupid ngl
pallid yoke
yeah noticed that before
fluid stratus
I think admin tools works, not sure if that should be a compound noun, though (admintools), given it's borrowed from English
radiant raptor
yeah, or administratortools
fluid stratus
I checked, it does need to be written as one word, so either 'admintools' or 'admin-tools'.
Administratortools works as well I think, but a bit lengthy; would definitely separate them with a dash (administrator-tools)
radiant raptor
good point, will change
ripe leaf
Do you think that he is right ?
random badger
I think ideally, those should be as short as possible within a language
pallid yoke
Is GitHub translated?
Would steal their translation
That bar can have much more tabs
ripe leaf
Is GitHub translated?
By google chrome lol
pallid yoke
But it will scroll if it gets too wide so not end of the world
Already scrolls on mobile
ripe leaf
Would steal their translation
I had the same idea
ripe leaf
before:
pallid yoke
There is one other tab called settings
fluid stratus
Why is the first tab so much to the right compared to the first image? Maybe if that's fixed, then it'll fit?
random badger
hmm, its not in the before picture
refresh page maybe?
idk how well vuetify handles resizing tabs dynamically
proud basalt
#announcements for an important change
fluid stratus
Coming full circle I see
modest bisonBOT
channel topic is still linking to the paper repo btw π
ember ivy
irc
fleet laurel
im assuming this channels gonna get archived now that the hangar discord ||(server)|| exists?
slow stag
Will there be some sort of plugin or program that will allow for automatic updating of plugins?
stiff token
Don't think hangar will handle it.
modest bisonBOT
"automatic" π
stiff token
I have a PoC that I use personally on my server, have plans on rewriting it in Java and releasing it some time.
hybrid star
guess we're gonna have to say goodbye to #hangar-dev :(
modest bisonBOT
my updater program will support it if there is a sane api though
(https://github.com/Phoenix616/Updater if you don't now that yet π )
stiff token
Oh, cool. I'll need to take a closer look at how it handles stuff versus my script.
teal smelt
guess we're gonna have to say goodbye to <#746367733699969104> :(
the hangar discord will hopefully be linked in #community-guilds then so people stay aware what is about to come :3
stiff token
(https://github.com/Phoenix616/Updater if you don't now that yet π )
Now I see why I didn't know about it - it's way newer than my stuff π
modest bisonBOT
yeah, I only recently got too annoyed by having to always remember where I got updates from lol
stiff token
Yeah, I got my Python PoC which just needs a rewrite in Java at some point. Still polishing it though so after rewrite it'll be easier to maintain.
hybrid star
(https://github.com/Phoenix616/Updater if you don't now that yet π )
that looks pretty noice, starred
i was going to follow you but i already was 
paper parrot
(https://github.com/Phoenix616/Updater if you don't now that yet π )
This is cool. Does this use Spiget (https://spiget.org/) to get plugin update?
woven ridge
leaden lily
You could use the actual Spigot API now π
narrow verge
staging instance still the same url?
random badger
yeah, its about to be wiped tho, so...
modest bisonBOT
@leaden lily spigot does not offer downloads nor the description
or wait, actually it does offer the description but not the links filtered as well as spiget
(nor does it provide download links)
fierce ether
I see mobile Hangar is still broken lol
radiant raptor
it's not made for mobile yet
pale trench
Is Hangar just like the SpigotMC website where you can download plugins?
radiant raptor
yes, but waaaaaay better
pale trench
Epic
main lava
it will be way better, especially if people make use of it
spare willow
There are no Plugins on the Website or am i on the wrong site?
spare willow
oh ok :)
timid eagle
wtf - where's purpur?
random badger
Must pay a $400 label fee first
timid eagle
blasphemy!
coral belfry
wtf - where's purpur?
not there 
modest bisonBOT
Perhaps
modest bisonBOT
is this bridged to the new server yet or nah?
it certainly is still bridged to the old server
gaunt walrus
wtf - where's purpur?
where did u find this?
radiant raptor
hangar.benndorf.dev
stiff holly
what is velocity and hangar? and what are the spigot equivalents?
modest forge
Hangar is the equivalent of BukkitDev or Spigot's resources section
Velocity is a proxy similar to Waterfall and Bungeecord and has little to do with Hangar, aside from Hangar being able to host Velocity plugins
quick flower
Ooh, just noticed Hangar uses PostgreSQL for a DB... I might just be interested in contributing then.
pallid yoke
You should consider joining the hangar discord then https://discord.gg/zvrAEbvJ4a
And yes, postgres master race
modest bisonBOT
so this is still not bridged? :(
radiant raptor
nope
main lava
where do i find an explaination of what hangar is
safe harbor
main lava
ik but more specific
fluid stratus
A plugin repository is where people upload plugins for others to download. See dev.bukkit.org and spigotmc.org, those are also plugin repositories. Hangar would be one for Paper/Waterfall (and Velocity?) plugins.
main lava
ah so paper spigotmc.org
fluid stratus
Essentially
pallid yoke
Spigots resource section but good
main lava
I think it should be
spigot but the plugins are staff approved first/ran through some kinda anti malware checks
also heavy obfuscation disallowed
fluid stratus
Yes, I think the plan was automated anti-malware checks and disallowing obfuscation
pallid yoke
No plans just ideas
main lava
what about premium plugins?
pallid yoke
Nothing is set in stone
safe harbor
Rules aren't carved in stone yet, but since this community is more focused on oss and takes a hot piss for obfuscation, I doubt we end up with 5 paragraphs 
pallid yoke
Hangar will be filled with premium plugins
main lava
π
fluid stratus
I don't think anyone wanted paid plugins
pallid yoke
Just no paid plugins, at least at the start
fluid stratus
Which I'm guessing is what you're referring to
safe harbor
Premium Skript 
main lava
yah i mean
but I feel like plugin authors should be allowed to make money for their stuff
pallid yoke
Sure
main lava
since server owners use their stuff to make money
pallid yoke
We wanna enable modules like sustainable open source projects
But that's all not part of MVP
A donation modal has been POCd already tho
I really love itch.io's pay whatever you want modal
main lava
if its a pay whatever you want do people actually pay tho
because I know I wouldn't
also I thought of a cool feature
when a plugin updates it shows a git-like diff between the versions
fluid stratus
Users are dumb and will click on what is most likely to get them to the download. itch.io's payment option is more prominent than the "don't pay, give me the download" option, so I think that would work.
safe harbor
People who actually want to donate would do so regardless if the platform prompts you to do so. It may only encourage it
pallid yoke
The itch.io thing is just a way to shove the donation modal into your face
But we could allow authors to set a minimum, that's hidden
So you see the modal, need to think of what is this worth to me, enter it, and if it's too low, it gets correct upwards
Of course a minimum of 40 bucks wouldn't make sense and would be disallowed
main lava
well its all relative
safe harbor
But I believe my resource is that much worth!
main lava
some might say 1 dollar is too much
someone might say 100 is
ppl have different incomes etc
pallid yoke
Which is why it's a text field
It's just that for some authors, 0 euro might not be acceptable
main lava
ah okay
modest bisonBOT
I mean, itch.io also allows directly selling stuff without free download
I have seen people sell Minecraft stuff via it Β―_(γ)_/Β―
vague knot
Don`t know if this is the right place for my questions:
I understand the purpose of hangar, but can it be used to distribute plugins to servers?
And can it make use of a another hangar repository?
For example:
- Imagine we run a local hangar on our environment
- I have one Server tagged "TEST" and one tagged "PROD"
- I upload a new version of a plugin, for example WorldGuard, in the local hangar and tag it with "TEST"
- Then after reboot of the TEST-Server it downloads the new WorldGuard-Version. This will be executed by a script before paper get started.
- If the test is completed, the version get tagged with "PROD" and it will be downloaded by next Server restart
This concept would be nice2have for us as we can easily distribute plugins and its updates without manually copy plugin files
pallid yoke
Hosting your own hangar for that would be incredibly overkill
I would instead recommend utilizing sonatype nexus to deploy your plugins via maven/Gradle
And then you can download them from there
vague knot
sounds interesting. I will look into that. Thank you.
pallid yoke
Then you have no version history
modest bisonBOT
that depends on how you set it up no?
you can easily version via file names (which is what I do)
vague knot
in essence yes, but we want a simpler interface to handle this. And not every plugin uses a good version-naming. But this problem will be there forever until spigot defines the rule for version-node in plugin.yml files
modest bisonBOT
that will never happen
also the versioning scheme doesn't really matter as long as version strings are unique
and the file date (or a separate file/symbolic link) can be used to detect the latest updated one
vague knot
file date will be better. Strings can be unique, but not in every case it is.
I think a repository (in which way ever we implement it) should make a version layer above plugin. For example: 1.0.0 (repository) means 1.0.0-Alpha-April (in plugin.yml).
If a server starts and want to download the latest plugins for this server then it needs something to verify which version is the latest.
it will be pain, but so the versioning is sementic as spigot recommends and apps have it easier to get the right version
modest bisonBOT
I just link Plugin.jar-1.2.3 -> Plugin.jar on update and copy Plugin.jar on server starts
vague knot
thats how we have done it before, but at some point we got an ZipArchive-error in logs and so we have copied the plugin files.
We have 5-6 mc-server-instances on 2 host systems. We thought that error came from multiple access on one jar-files.
At the moment we got one plugin directory that is shared via sshfs on the hostsystems and copy the jar-files from this directory into the mc-plugin directory.
this makes some work and a plugin-repository (as app) could be helpful to manage this plugin and distribute them properly.
If hangar, sonar/nexus or something else could do this, we would be happy. We are just happy that we can update paper in scripts, thanks to DownloadAPI.
Maybe we develop our own system for that, when hangar or sonar/nexus can not have these features.
Maybe I`m just to dumb to understand your ideas π
onyx sun
Wait why is phoenix616 using a bot account if they're an actual user? lol
modest bisonBOT
For example, this is a message sent from IRC
onyx sun
Oh that's pretty cool!
cyan fern
what is hangar ?
safe harbor
An upcoming plugin repository is where people upload plugins for others to download.
radiant raptor
.hangar when
safe harbor
Just put an invite to the new location in and make this channel read only
radiant raptor
but the IRC channel hasn't Sadge
safe harbor
The what?
safe harbor
Sorry, we don't deal with these kinds of headache causers here.
radiant raptor
still not sure what the channel is called on IRC π
boomers, please enlighten me
safe harbor
#hangar obviously
mellow pebble
probably #hangar
main lava
#hangar
radiant raptor
epic
stiff holly
When will Hangar Go Public (Release)
sly mason
.eta
modest bisonBOT
Paper updates have no ETA, "rough estimate", or anything of the likes -- ever. They come when they come. Be patient.
midnight anchor
.hangar-eta
never
ivory ingot
Nah, when Mini has less than 100 projects. π€£
radiant raptor
that's still never
ivory ingot
that's still never
Jup, but expressed memeified.
regal sigil
whys this channel still not locked
modest bisonBOT
donno
barren shale
Please join https://discord.gg/zvrAEbvJ4a to discuss Hangar and get announcements regarding its development from now on, thanks and goodbye.