yo y'all recommend watching thenewboston for some java basics?
#general
void void
potent fossil
i mean it's not bad, if you want to watch videos
void void
Yeah, I'm alternating between reading my Java book and watching videos.
Like if I don't get a concept in the book, I'll just watch a video, or read more docs about it online.
potent fossil
good enough, but you should do practice in between. just speed watching is not going to do it for ya
you have to code and use what you just watched
void void
Yeah ofc, I practice all of these several times in IntelliJ
potent fossil
๐
true canyon
Videos are such a terrible way to learn programming, imo
orchid quest
anyone know of a plugin that adds enchant levels 6-10 to some enchants and is survival friendly?
mighty storm
@true canyon for me I agree but it all depends on how you learn
@orchid quest like naturally? essentials has it with /enchant
true canyon
uwu
potent fossil
I think videos are fine to learn syntax, but just knowing syntax is not equivalent to knowing how to program
mighty storm
did u just uwu outside of #751903362794127470 ๐ก
potent fossil
Knowing how to program is fundamentally knowing how to use the syntax to solve a problem
You can sit there and print strings with bucky all day long, won't help
orchid quest
@mighty storm i mean like survival friendly enchants
mighty storm
I'm glad I spent 2-3 years in high school learning fundamentals more than actually how to program, I did that in my own time
orchid quest
like obtainable via combining books
mighty storm
in fact a lot of the java I don't actually use, like Queues and Stacks or whatever
like I sometimes forget they exist lol
potent fossil
right, but (hopefully) you have the knowledge of when would be an appropriate time of using them
mighty storm
Yeah I know they exist, in case I need it
and, arguably more importantly, why they exist
queen moat
So (Once Again), I'm looking into Dedicated Server Hosting. This time, buying a physical server and setting up U1 Colo Hosting.
I have 4 minecraft servers, a Lobby with 100 players in the same chunk
2 Survival Servers with 40 players
1 Event Server from 0 - 150 players
I'm looking at using this blade https://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-Poweredge-R620-2-x-SIX-CORE-2-60GHZ-E5-2630v2-64GB-2-x-300GB-SERVER-QTY/133512769478?hash=item1f15fb2fc6:g:5JYAAOSw5DVfBgVA
With 64Gb Memory,
and 2 6core 2.6GH Processors.
Would this be a good investment? Or should I look for blades that specialize in single-core performance speed?
queen moat
aww
waxen panther
brrrr!!
chrome flame
Should i get intel or ryzen
mighty storm
do you want bland or do you want done smh
prime quartz
I'm looking around for a plugin that adds pronouns, does anyone have a suggestion?
cunning raft
.g spigotmc genders laxwashere
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/authors/laxwashere.106/ -- Resources from LaxWasHere | SpigotMC - High Performance ...: "Sep 11, 2020 ... Genders now w/ GUI & MySQL! โญโ100% Support for Chunky โโญ 1.6.2. LaxWasHere, Dec 15, 2016, Chat. Because we all identify asย ..."
cunning raft
look for genders in that list
prime quartz
Holy molly how did I miss this
Oh I think I was searching bukkit not spigot
I litterally searched "gender" "pronouns" etc
Thank you!
mental crystal
it even has 100% Chunky support? That's amazing! I will now get rid of my current gender plugin, it only has worldborder support
serene bolt
exactly, it's perfect
prime quartz
I can't think of a punishment more evil than eating with no table -3 to mood.
jolly crown
Wow, even this spigot moderator approves.
serene bolt
wow that's incredible
waxen panther
spigot approved!
serene bolt
to be fair even md_5 has contributed one of the genders to the plugin as well
jolly crown
md69 contributing something good for once ๐คฉ
serene bolt
it's true, lax told me himself, and only 95% of what lax says is false so that must mean it's indisputably true
waxen panther
logic checks out
prime quartz
5% chance to tell 100% truth lets gooo
snow knoll
When you cant put meme in your whitelist message lol
mighty storm
thats my personal acc tho
mental crystal
it didnt before?
Lol that was my reaction when I saw that on my account earlier
snow knoll
Idk they put it on all accounts
mighty storm
so what youre saying is this entire time my trash has just been a fancy folder smh
im still kinda to very pissed that, during my years at. apublic high school, where i paid nothing to go, i got an g suite account with unlimited storage. now, during college, where i am paying a lot more than free, we get nice, luxurious, 20 GB of OneDrive storage, and a microsoft account
does google sponsor high schools and microsoft sponsor colleges or smth what a downgrade
not even that
the community college I "went" to for dual credit in high school ALSO had a g suite account with unlimited storage AND a microsoft account
and it was almost free!!!
potent fossil
nope the school has to pay, google/microsoft doesnt give them for free
so your public highschool footed the bill for that
your college is not
mighty storm
well obviously some sort of discount, no fucking way that school district is paying $1.8million/mo for those accounts
mighty storm
didnt say it was, but still
potent fossil
also public school aint free at all, taxpayers pay a fuckload of money for that
its free for the student, sure
potent fossil
im serious though, taxpayers easily pay a few hundred grand in taxes directed at public schools every year, possibly upward of a million or more
mighty storm
I know all this
potent fossil
potent fossil
well, hf with that
mighty storm
is wanting to die selfish?
potent fossil
yes
ancient bolt
I'm still sad about the disappointment that the pixel 5 doesn't have a larger option and doesn't have an in-screen fingerprint reader
chrome quest
What on earth is wrong with these people!
Joining a server, not saying a word, not looking around or anything, just join wait 5 seconds and then leaves...
serene bolt
yeah there was one site that did that quite in depth too, can't remember the name
it took a screenshot of the game, chat, and even mapped out the chunks loaded around the spawn point as an overhead map view
potent fossil
so short answer @chrome quest, nothing is wrong with these people
because these people aren't people
serene bolt
friendly bots โข๏ธ
chrome quest
It happens like every single day.
potent fossil
yep
serene bolt
yeah I had it every single day too on my 1.12 server
haven't had it in 1.16+ but I'm sure they exist for modern versions too
magic river
wat
It's a computer tower on wheels stuffed full of 1500W of bitcoin mining hardware and being sold as a space heater
First honest advertisement of bitcoin?
frigid star
Guys, can i ask about plugin here? I need a plugin, but i can't find any plugin on the internet that suit with my case. I don't know who to ask
olive marlin
@frigid star if you want a custom plugin made by someone, spigot has hiring forum.
worn ember
Self paying heater??
waxen panther
@worn ember
worn ember
@waxen panther
waxen panther
how could you ping me
worn ember
By clicking your name 
waxen panther
do not test me and all my moderator powers
worn ember
Ah yes the no role powers
waxen panther
fear me
worn ember
I'm scared of white names
waxen panther
we are the deadliest species
green turret
Racism
waxen panther
easy for you to say, blue (cyan-ish) name.
green turret
Tablism
vestal jasper
@waxen panther
olive marlin
@twin lagoon have you tried using MC as your k8s visualization and management tool?
It needs a bit of work, but I wonder how much could one gameify the k8s management.
https://medium.com/@eric.jadi/minecraft-as-a-k8s-admin-tool-cf16f890de42
I know there's also doom version. And probably a few other ones.
Just wondering how viable it would be to implement most of the features of modern admin tools.
twin lagoon
i saw
minor badge
@twin lagoon uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
worn ember
what do you guys use for visualization of big (realtime) data, i'm working on a school project with a company and i need to visualize some real time data from a power distributor. I've currently looked at grafana, influx, qlik, anyone got anything else that might be worth considering?
minor badge
yomama
minor badge
i dont!!
worn ember
idk what ELK is so probably not
vernal moth
Kibana <3
I don't want to know how many gigs of RAM we dedicate to our ES stacks, lmao
vernal moth
We run logging for a couple hundret applications, we run logging for infra, we run APM for everything including traces, that's just the stuff I use daily
potent fossil
please, god
worn ember
what exactly is elastic tho? it says its some sort of search?
but search for what exactly
left swift
Hi
vernal bone
Hello!
minor badge
hello
vernal bone
https://cuberite.org/ this looks promising.
potent fossil
cuberite is ok
minor badge
never before mentioned
potent fossil
if you wanna talk bout it i recommend going to... cuberite's community tho. this community is for paper. 
minor badge
its just yet another impl which aint able to get complete parity
potent fossil
uwu @minor badge
minor badge
@potent fossil awa
potent fossil
i keep missing 2-3 questions on the khan academy unit tests and it's keeping me from achieving 100% mastery
potent fossil
this gamification bullshit i s2g
worn ember
twin lagoon
an unpatchable T2 exploit
twin lagoon
Once you have access on the T2, you have full root access and kernel execution privileges since the kernel is rewritten before execution.
worn ember
i'll use u
green turret
DED, Elasticsearch is a database. You throw stuff at it and it allows you to search through that stuff. Kibana sits on top of it for visualization of search results. Logstash sits "below" or "to the side" and inserts data. The ELK stack is those three tools, and the sort of common usage is centralized logging. If you have tens or hundreds or thousands of servers and programs and whatnot, it's a stack to help you have just one place to "inspect" things.
Although nowadays the hip new thing for logging is Humio.
twin lagoon
never heard of humio before
green turret
You probably will!
I think it was Dell that threw $20 million into it earlier this year. Uber uses it quite heavily, but that probably also has a bit to do with I think the CEO of Humio being married to some higher-up dude in Uber ๐
They're based where I live and they're expanding like crazy right now.
green turret
Probably a lot more narrow in scope compared to ES, though, so not a direct "competitor" as such.
Well, a lot of this kind of stuff only really matters at a certain scale. Otherwise it's just unnecessary complexity. But if there's that much money in it, it's probably useful ๐
cedar spade
"But is it webscale"
green turret
About 4 years ago, some of the logs in my services only went back about 50 lines. Mostly because I didn't know how to scroll in tmux and I hadn't set up file loggers.
Ctrl-B, [
It's a pretty shitty key binding for a Danish keyboard layout, I'll tell you that much. So now I use US layout. Until I have to type Danish letters. On my Kinesis Advantage keyboard. So I have like three different axes of confusion when I need to find a special character. It's awesome! I spend a lot of time just pressing random keys until the symbol I need pops up.
In the future, I want a keyboard that has no modifiers at all and just has one key for every thing I ever need to do ever.
robust tiger
Aikar, they fixed your reported issue about the worldgen deadlock
https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-199487
limber knotBOT
got the email too, nice
chances are they dont even protocol bump
anyways, am finally back home now \o/
bomb went boom at like 1:30 am
robust tiger
chances are they dont even protocol bump
i hope so
mental meadow
Lovely, I have a sore throat and a headache and I feel sick. Is it a normal cold, the flu or corona๐
mental meadow
I blame IKEA
green turret
Better get tested!
potent fossil
I only had to do the unit test 9 times. https://owo.whats-th.is/3a7u6QW.png
@minor badge congratulate me.
potent fossil
thx bbgrl
solid meteor
Hello :3
minor badge
hi
solid meteor
How r u
potent fossil
google just sent me my timeline and chipotle is my most visited place
i have a problem
potent fossil
"sir, you drive fast to get the pizza there on time, right?"
yes
"say no. let's try again. you drive fast to get the pizza there on time, right?"
yes
"no, you're supposed to say no. one more time. you drive fast to get the pizza there on time, right?"
right
judge:
zealous wedge
meow
cosmic raft
meow
worn ember
@green turret thanks ๐ makes sense
heady spear
@mental meadow uwu
zealous wedge
@heady spear @mental meadow uwu
heady spear
uwu!
mental meadow
uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
vernal bone
wuw
spice finch
nice government site (look at URL)
green turret
KOWALSKI, STATUS REPORT!
heady spear
"Znajdลบ" dis is clearly a bug
worn ember
shut up swede ur lang sux too
spice finch
hahah, Kowalski one of the most popular polish surnames
worn ember
wow so rude
green turret
He just needs to build it like you build your software City
green turret
Ahahahah
potent fossil
Have you gotten your ass splasher yet?
green turret
This is the eternal banter dance between the Danes and the Swedes. In VC I can be nice because no one sees it. Here, where everything is documented, I need to be a patriot!
cedar spade
@quasi valley hangar wen
worn ember
tis pumpkin season
heady spear
it's spooktober my dudes
merry spookmas @mental meadow :DD
talking about candles, i found my cinnamon candle n now my apartment smells like autumn
potent fossil
They better ship that butt shower with maximum speed
green turret
(it says my real name in the real email, but I Photoshopped this with unmatched skill so it says garbagemule instead)
cosmic raft
what is it
green turret
It's a bidet attachment for my toilet!
void void
Who use Purpur? They have flying squids option
heady spear
mule has a tiny butt confirmed
cosmic raft
also things like that confuse me
green turret
Soon I will wash my butt with water like God intended instead of wiping it sore with endless paper
heady spear
I only like big chonky butts
cosmic raft
if we know your name already, why edit it out? :P
potent fossil
This discord is for paper. Not purpur. If you want to talk about purpur, go to purpur.
heady spear
what
void void
I banned on purpur
potent fossil
Not our problem
void void
:)
green turret
There are other Discord servers you could go to and ask about Purpur.
heady spear
also kash uwu how are you? :3 i hope ur having a good day bcuz u deserve it
void void
Okay
green turret
Probably none of them want to talk about Purpur.
cosmic raft
if we know your name already, why edit it out? :P
@green turret
potent fossil
i love kash and mule, and i love city but like at 95% of the amount that i love kash and mule
cosmic raft
@heady spear bleh is how I am
potent fossil
because he's rude to me
golden gust
I love how simple thinks that people care about his feelings
potent fossil
but 95% of infinity is still infinity 
golden gust
Or, well, him in general
wide chasm
pets cat
limber knotBOT
slices cat's limbs off with a polished axe.
worn ember
one could say he's simple minded
heady spear
i wanna buy english lessons for cat
green turret
kash, only the most skilled people in the world can find out my real name.
golden gust
My English teacher hated mr
heady spear
so he can learn to communicate in dis language
golden gust
Me
golden gust
Didn't help that I have the creativity of a potato
green turret
Okay, you are very skilled.
worn ember
his first name is garbage, and his second name is mule
minor badge
@golden gust hey you~
cosmic raft
incorrect dark
green turret
My real name is Lego Pastry, but most people just call me Mulerino Bambino
Middle name Tuborg
heady spear
https://github.com/garbagemule/RecountChatFilter
wait so I wish I would have had this like 5-ish years ago
because fuck those dumb damage reports
you actually make useful shit
but u still suck so
green turret
Hahah
I played on a private WotLK server and got so tired of like 5 people in every raid spamming that shit.
worn ember
spam faster so you dont have to see it
heady spear
have you ever done any emulation programming? I was really into trinitycore programming for a bit
when ac-web was still alive
green turret
Nope
merry talon
ah yes those reports are so useful, as there are so many players who are interested in their DPS but don't already have a damage meter
serene bolt
I did some dev work for Warmane at some point, but they had their own core
worn ember
i watched the matrix yesterday, good movie
cosmic raft
๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ต ๐บ ๐ท ๐ช
serene bolt
H E L L O K A S H
green turret
Warmane is where I played! Well, when it was called Molten. Also a bit when it was Warmane.
serene bolt
yeah used to be molten lol
green turret
I made a twitter account with quotes from the Warmane chat. Most of them bad(ly typed) English.
heady spear
I was more into cataclysm servers than wotlk tbh, but the 3.3.5 servers were so much better
wow emulators put all minecraft server projects to shame tho
serene bolt
WOTLK is the only private servers I ever touched, if I wanted anything newer I just played retail
heady spear
https://github.com/TrinityCore/TrinityCore look at this big chonkers server software
serene bolt
and classic was just too basic and grindy for me so I never played
green turret
serene bolt
BC is what really added a lot of the charm to the game for me, and WOTLK just improved it even more
green turret
Man, this first quote is so awesome:
[Nicegirll]: need good boy for by coins only 21 molten have good boy????or no!only -30
serene bolt
buying bf/gf on runescape was much better
potent fossil
ok fuck it's 4:30am and i have CLASS AT 2PM
green turret
I suspect this person is asking for coins, but I don't understand the "or no!only -30" bit.
potent fossil
buying bf/gf on runescape was much better
@serene bolt i unironically did that when i was 12 years old
serene bolt
lmao
heady spear
But honestly the quality of WoW emulation software is insane. I'm amazed trinitycore is still going
and the 950 different mangos forks
y'all though minecraft server forks were messy but you haven't seen shit ๐
serene bolt
it's even more impressive because for most of those cores, it's all clean room
heady spear
there was also an attempt to make a java server at some point
Yup, and C++ at that ๐
all wow private servers also had sexy websites, and there were some pretty decent CMS projects around as well
green turret
Ahhh I want to play WotLK again
heady spear
that really was the best expansion
worn ember
i thought minecraft servers were rather good lol
heady spear
I'm gonna give the next one a go to see if it's any better but the last couple expansions have been quite shite
worn ember
compared to other games
green turret
The StatBuster addon I wrote compares item sets. It was pretty good for figuring out which items to switch out. On my paladin I found a constellation of 3 or 4 items that I needed to equip at the same time to get a stat buff without losing out on important stats from the old gear.
One of my colleagues made this mana regen tick timer addon thing for classic. I was the one who told him about the points program, and I should have never done that. WoW addons are way more lucrative than Minecraft plugins on there ๐
So every now and then he's like "Hey, guess what I did today!... CASHED OUT ANOTHER FIFTY, BOIIII".
Jerk.
worn ember
Beef Jerk
green turret
We recently got Jack Links beef jerky in Denmark. It's so expensive though.
green turret
My favorite is the teriyaki flavor ones.
heady spear
you know what scandinavia needs? those american flavoured coffee creamers
green turret
Yeah I think now that it's moving to Overwolf it's changing though
worn ember
i think so
worn ember
i'll cream your coffee
heady spear
I don't want your cream in my coffee
worn ember
idc
heady spear
on my back tho
green turret
Ohh I found potato rolls at the store yesterday. So good for burgers!
worn ember
no, you're not wasting my cream
heady spear
potato what
green turret
(speaking of high calorie count)
It's a type of burger bun made with potato flour instead of (some of the) wheat flour. It makes them suuuper soft and a little extra sweet.
Some Americans call burger buns "rolls".
potent fossil
yeah, love potato buns
ever had an unburger tho?
(not what google shows up #1 for that search, believe me)
green turret
Some day I will go on a road trip in the US. East coast through the burger belt in the mid east, all the way to cali for the Apple Pan and In 'n' Out.
potent fossil
im not sure of any stores that actually sell unburgers (real ones, im not talking about the store UnBurger)
(which are just veggie burgers)
unburgers are where you take two slabs of ground beef that you mold into patty shape, put all your desired toppings on one (still raw), then put the other slab on top and form a burger around it, cook that, then add extra toppings. condiments, then lightly toasted potato bun.
boom.
green turret
I haven't had plant based burgers other than the ones I've made myself at home. It's fine, but there's some structural issues with the stuff I tried. It gets a little too... Falafel-like.
heady spear
well we have potato buns here too and they're not higher quality than other buns
unless you count those dry ass disgusting white bread ones
brioche or bust
green turret
Damn that sounds good though simple!
Yeah my go-to is brioche for burgers. But these potato rolls are really good as well. Bit too big though. I like smaller burgers.
potent fossil
so then every bite is juicy beef + your toppings inside
green turret
You seen BBQ Pit Boys simple?
green turret
It's like the manliest cooking show. Just a bunch of ZZ Top looking old dudes at a BBQ pit, sometimes in the middle of winter, with a machete and a grill.
potent fossil
just looked up bbq pit boys and my hometown's name is on there
heady spear
American bbq confuses me
potent fossil
"santa maria style" bbq is from my home town
green turret
It's ridiculous. Usually unholy amounts of meat and cheese in their stuff.
heady spear
potent fossil
oh fuck that cheesy burger looked good as fuck
like a heart attack in between two buns
but you know what
i'd go out happy as hell
heady spear
From 1999โ2000 through 2017โ2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. [Read CDC NCHS data brief]
The estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the United States was $147 billion in 2008 US dollars; the medical cost for people who have obesity was $1,429 higher than those of normal weight.
๐
potent fossil
yea.....
golden gust
I mean, shit like cheese and bacon are amazing for you
green turret
So this is why we go on diets! To shake off the burger blubber so we can eat more burgers.
heady spear
ok no not doing this again bye
potent fossil
they're amazing for you if you don't eat a massive amount of carbs with it
you gotta go one way or the other
not both
golden gust
I mean, shaming food like that is just dumb
"fat is evil" is what CAUSED this obesity pandemic
potent fossil
i dont shame it at all, im just saying the truth
fat is great, but you can't also eat a truckload of carbs along with it otherwise you're not in keto
you're just eating like shit
:p
heady spear
No, overconsumption of calories is what caused the bloody epidemic. I don't care what you eat, thermodynamics doesn't really care about your diet of choice. Eat more than you burn, and you get big fatty blob
green turret
Okay, any diet plan that makes burgers illegal is not for me.
golden gust
calories in = calories out is outdated science
heady spear
Fat is a lot more calorie dense than carbs and it's a hell of a lot easier to overeat on greasy shit than on carrots
holy shit
potent fossil
yes, absolutely, carbs in > carbs out = weight++; carbs out > carbs in = weight--. but in terms of how your body is using and expending energy, keto or not keto, is an entirely diff discusion
simply being in keto vs not does not change how weight is gained/lost
theyre just different
golden gust
carb heavy stuff is also proven to supress the "i'm full" sensation, so that's just bs as well
heady spear
carb heavy stuff is also proven to supress the "i'm full" sensation, so that's just bs as well
That does not change CICO but ok
anyway
otherwise I'll just block all of u
green turret
I just count calories. It's easy. And then the hunger is just a matter of Scandinavian will power (especially Danish - it's unmatched, look it up).
potent fossil
well i mean, yeah, it comes down to the calories. but when you look at the higher level regarding satiety and overall effects on how you feel, i mean? idk, that's a discussion worth having
but really. calories are king
green turret
Y'all just need to try fasting for 4 days, water only. You'll get strong viking will power like me!
potent fossil
i mean you can sit there and eat chocolate bars and stay below your TDEE and lose weight
you won't feel very good
but you'll lose weight
golden gust
I thought that was more the pillaging than the fasting
green turret
No that's a myth. Vikings were all about kicking hunger into submission.
Also they were traders mostly!
warm anchor
4 days 
potent fossil
for?
green turret
4 days is what I did! It wasn't so bad.
golden gust
4 days is easy if you're adjusted and don't have the food temptation
potent fossil
and i wasnt like dying to eat by then
i just saw something tasty and was like
yep this is over
green turret
IRON WILL
golden gust
urgh, my brains like, all fizzled out
heady spear
meh i guess im blocking half the bloody server then o well
golden gust
I wish it was bedtime already
potent fossil
what would you rather talk about city
cosmic raft
kittens
green turret
City just wants to talk about commands.
potent fossil
as usual
green turret
Or about Swedish things like Ikea and crayfish parties.
heady spear
Y'all don't realise that giving unwarranted health advice, discussing pseudoscience and diet shit in general can be genuinely harmful to people
that's fine, I just would rather pretend that none of you exist
sooooo
golden gust
Ikea, "home of cheap shitty swedish furniture"
Nobody here is giving health advice?
We're literally just discussing stuff
potent fossil
no one is giving health advice, we were just discussing diet in general. we even came to the consensus that calories are king
worn ember
#nutrition-science ktnx
green turret
My NORSBORG couch is pretty good though.
worn ember
go talk about crabs somewhere else ๐ฆ
heady spear
no one is giving health advice
Didn't say you were. That happens a hell of a lot in here though and it's very problematic
warm anchor
Idk my mood get bad if I miss even one meal
potent fossil
i do realize that people do that in here, but it didnt happen just now
so idk what the issue is
heady spear
Not right now. Have you been in general for more than a couple of days?
warm anchor
4 day is crazy talk. You guys are good
golden gust
I mean, we where talking
potent fossil
yes, i recognize what you're saying but i dont understand your complaint in the context of right now
heady spear
because there's a channel for people that want to discuss this shit
golden gust
You started going down the whole science/statistics BS
heady spear
so that it's not happening in here
for the reasons i bloody mentioned
anyway I'm done. I'm gonna go shower
have fun ๐คทโโ๏ธ
potent fossil
fine, whatever, we're done discussing food. in the future we will conduct such nasty discussions in #nutrition-science
let's talk about...um...
green turret
EterNity you can do it! Try it!
worn ember
thanks
potent fossil
the answer is a lot
warm anchor
I will actually try after reading what you guys said
golden gust
How dare you talk about good food in a general channel!
Here, see my stats!
Wait, you're contesting that with info!? BE GONE
worn ember
i literally got told to fuck off for talking about it by kash cat
green turret
kash says a lot of weird things, like "screw minimal diffs". He doesn't always mean what he says.
potent fossil
so if someone legitimately organizes a papercon or some bullshit like that (maybe higher level than that bc papercon will have low turnout. like 12 of us would be there tops) who would come
worn ember
i'll take whatever he says as long as he keeps giving me money
potent fossil
how far, theoretically, would you be willing to travel
golden gust
So long as proxi's not there and I could, I would
golden gust
;3
worn ember
shine bright like a diamond
green turret
78.6 kg on the scales today though!
cosmic raft
okay, people
heady spear
kash has a lot of opinions and most of them are warranted ๐
worn ember
killernugget
heady spear
watch rathed, it's very fucked up but I likeeeeeed it
potent fossil
preferred genre?
worn ember
or whatever thats called
cosmic raft
recommendations from anyone but dark, apparently
green turret
Do you want to watch some good software talks?
worn ember
cosmic raft
no mule
worn ember
you seen black mirror?
potent fossil
have you watched Lucifer
heady spear
I do mule, sometimes you say things that aren't moronic and I wanna see where you get your sometimes-good-info from
green turret
Then I can't help!
worn ember
Holmes is good too
green turret
Hahaha
cosmic raft
the netflix one? pass
potent fossil
its good tho
cosmic raft
I tried the first episode, did not like very much
cosmic raft
seen it all
cosmic raft
:D
potent fossil
idk
heady spear
I've seen like everything worth watching on Swedish netflix, and all of those 2 shows were good
Netflix here is such a waste of money because there's nothing worth seeing smh
worn ember
"Our girl" is good too, band of brothers
heady spear
watch its always sunny in Philadelphia from the perspective of someone living in todays society and apply social theory to it
to conclude that its terribly sexist and highly problematic
good show tho
heady spear
I binge watched Emily in Paris and Ratched yesterday. Both quite good, one far less disturbing than the other.
potent fossil
ima have to try and just sleep for like
idk 4 hours and live with it
cuz this is getting old
golden gust
simp, might as well just grab a coffee and cry about your life choices
golden gust
I gotta get a kettle :L
green turret
City, I like Dan North (talks like "Software, Faster", "Patterns of Effective Teams", "Software that Fits in Your Head"), Kevlin Henney ("Old is the New New", "Forgotten Art of Structured Programming", "Move Slow and Mend Things", lots of good stuff from this guy, some of it repeated a lot), Simon Brown ("Modular Monoliths"), and I think you might really enjoy Adam Tornhill ("Treat Your Code as a Crime Scene"), because he does exciting data things with repos.
heady spear
kash you'd know this, but is there a non-awful way of linking third party javadoc? I was under the impression that -link can only be used with jre documentation, but maybe I've gotten that super wrong?
cosmic raft
you have that wrong
heady spear
O, so you can just specify any javadoc then?
golden gust
You need to provide urls to the javadocs to link to and it'll do it automagically then iirc
cosmic raft
^
green turret
Also there's this guy, Hubert Sablonniere, he has hilarious talks. "Documentation as code" and "Make CSS Fun Again" are pretty good.
golden gust
CSS fun again
cosmic raft
Make CSS Fun Again
green turret
He also has a talk where he uses Lemmings to describe stuff. It's great.
golden gust
was CSS ever fun?
heady spear
Forgotten Art of Structured Programming
seen this tho I was half asleep ๐
o mule do you know about papers we love?
cosmic raft
CSS never was, and never will be, fun
green turret
kash and cat both need to see this talk ๐
green turret
That's exactly why you need to see it!
golden gust
CSS is one of those things that I defo wanna learn more
heady spear
https://paperswelove.org/ they have great talks on their youtube channel
golden gust
But, then there's so much crap to it that I'd forget it anyways
heady spear
most of them are discussing old papers, but a lot of the stuff is very foundational and extremely interesting
https://cs.brown.edu/~mph/Herlihy91/p124-herlihy.pdf watched a talk about this recently and it was cool, though they didn't make the paper justice ๐ This kinda built the foundation for modern concurrency libraries
green turret
Hubert makes some really great points in that CSS talk, but I don't want to spoil anything. I definitely recommend giving it a watch if you don't like CSS. Also if you do.
golden gust
ITT: garbage is an insider agent trying to push CSS on masses
green turret
To put the talk into perspective, it was the highest rated talk at Devoxx 2016, above Venkat's talk, and Venkat is always the highest rated. Devoxx is a (mainly) Java conference full of people who hate CSS ๐
heady spear
devoxx would be great if you could understand any of the speakers
green turret
Also, if you want to listen to a hilarious Indian guy, watch some talks by Venkat Subramaniam. He's awesome.
His Lambdas and Streams talk is really good.
(it's a workshop session kinda thing mashed together, so it's really long, but it's good)
cosmic raft
i need one too
green turret
Hhahahah wtf
warm anchor
Why is her face loading
cedar spade
that screenshot hits hard
sharp sentinel
watch its always sunny in Philadelphia from the perspective of someone living in todays society and apply social theory to it
So I somewhat disagree that itโs problematic as such, outside of a few key things theyโve since addressed. The show very much attacks the characters and portrays them as horrible horrible people
sharp sentinel
https://youtu.be/EXdiIgUmf2M good video that covers it IMO
heady spear
I mean the social climate back then was quite different and it has progressed and addressed a lot of it, which is cool
cosmic raft
i've gotten used to the fact i will forever be alone
heady spear
There are far worse examples tho, like the big bang theory
cosmic raft
heady spear
that show is just awful because they're meant to likeable
cedar spade
aww :(
golden gust
I mean, have you see the ep with the laughtrack removed?
heady spear
and so we're just supposed to ignore the fact that they're all misogynistic pricks
golden gust
but, they're adorkable
cosmic raft
hm
golden gust
See, I think part of it is that there's no real brain in TV
cosmic raft
cinemas nearby are open with limited seating... could go watch something one day
golden gust
OTT plots which make you question what's going to happen next have been replaced with plots where you can pretty reliabily determine what's gonna happen
I don't really watch horror shows as it's a bore fest of "un"expected jump scenes
heady spear
AHS is the only horror show I've consistently liked
also helps that Evan Peters is yummy.
twin lagoon
golden gust
I dun pay for netflix, so ๐คทโโ๏ธ
annoyingly, the services I generally would consider paying for don't allow us UK customers, so, we generally... er....
yar har har
cosmic raft
cedar spade
See, I think part of it is that there's no real brain in TV
Taskmaster (the panel(?) show, no relation to Marvel) is an entire show based on the principle of no real brain
golden gust
My stance these days is that I don't mind paying for stuff unless you literally make it a ballache to pay
cedar spade
but then for some reason UK comedy is treated entirely separately to the rest of TV by most people anyways so idk
golden gust
I mean, US comedy is generally people doing stupid things
cosmic raft
that does remind me though
golden gust
UK comedy is generally people being demeaning to themselves, etc
golden gust
Nope
cosmic raft
10/10
golden gust
Don't have netflix and I refuse to pay for a TV license coz fuck the BBC
cedar spade
in the UK you have to pay for a TV license for your address if you watch BBC on demand or any live TV on any platform
golden gust
You have to pay for a TV license in the UK to watch live TV (or stuff which is being broadcasted on TV at the same time), or to use BBC iplayer
zealous wedge
have you not hear of tv licenses?
cosmic raft
RIP
golden gust
The good news is that they're soon making it no longer a criminal offence to not pay
:L
cedar spade
You can watch BBC content that's licensed to other on demand platforms without one, though they don't like to tell you that
cosmic raft
so you won't have tv licenses then?
golden gust
still have TV licenses, just, it's more a civil matter rather than a criminal one
a lot of pensioners are also pissed off and revolting as they stripped free licenses for over 75's, and younger gen is not really caring to pay as we have better stuff on streaming services
zealous wedge
in more fun news, who's ready for 1.16.4
sharp sentinel
I wonder when itโll land
twin lagoon
woooooo
cedar spade
blame the govt for that one cat, not the BBC
cosmic raft
lol zml
zealous wedge
yeah, hopefully within a week or two so we can move onto interesting things
cosmic raft
where do you get the idea of a 1.16.4 from? o.O
sharp sentinel
It was tweeted
cosmic raft
link?
zealous wedge
quasi valley
cosmic raft
have not been awake long
twin lagoon
kneny...
zealous wedge
(see, he actually sleeps)
twin lagoon
where is our viaversion
cedar spade
- pretty sure they added "Future Version - 1.16+" this morning?
golden gust
I mean, it's the BCC who pay for enforcement officers to harass people
zealous wedge
ya kneny, when's viaversion 1.16.4 coming?
zealous wedge
bumped the protocol by one?
twin lagoon
early release kneny...
zealous wedge
sure
cedar spade
The government stopped paying license fees for over 75s, pretty sure the BBC covered it for a year at their own expense as a grace period then dropped it
I might not watch the BBC at all but it's still probably the most important news/media outlet in the UK
and tbh if you let the current government get its way then the BBC wouldn't be around next year
zealous wedge
oof
cosmic raft
who had "deadly disease in russia" for their october spot on their 2020 bingo card?
zealous wedge
i mean there's a deadly disease in the whole world right now :p
cosmic raft
yea but this is a new one!!
zealous wedge
ah yes vidco-91
zealous wedge
the spider part?
cosmic raft
yes
zealous wedge
oh there was a spider walking across my monitor earlier today
cosmic raft
gofundme for a new monitor up yet?
cosmic raft
lol
worn ember
tbh i'd rather skip those
next frost
we're gonna unlock the next level then
twin lagoon
hewwo kashike
cosmic raft
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
mental meadow
hewwo
next frost
Well as we're part of the game, I guess we'd be garbage collected :/
twin lagoon
uwura
cosmic raft
hi urawra
mental meadow
I feel sick
mossy vessel
we still have nearly 3 months to go
Still 3 months to party
next frost
awowa noo
mental meadow
๐
but now the question, should I wait until tomorrow to see if it goes away or should I call the hotline thingy
twin lagoon
do you have symptoms
mossy vessel
Make an covid online test 
next frost
does that work like an iq test?
mental meadow
Make an covid online test
@mossy vessel It says I've been dead for 3 years
mossy vessel
lol
next frost
bruh
cosmic raft
@minor badge remember how you were surprised how I wanted so many workspaces?
only 3 unused workspaces right now :P
minor badge
and your bar is so ugly ๐
worn ember
put my face as the background
minor badge
monospace fonts! colours! :D
mental meadow
rainbowo
cosmic raft
i do not care if you think that
minor badge
@mental meadow help he's hurting my feelings....
zealous wedge
what's your 31% for kashike?
cosmic raft
volume
worn ember
imagine caring about what proxi thinks
zealous wedge
imagine not caring about what proxi thinks
golden gust
I mean, the minimal aspect is nice for people who care about minimal aspects
mental meadow
proxi is our leader
golden gust
To some, it's just lacking in stuff that it shows
zealous wedge
proxi is fren
zealous wedge
in only one timezone?
worn ember
is zml some xml joke where you went like x y z?
zealous wedge
zml is the best markup language that doesn't yet exist
worn ember
plz make it, i want more standards
fallen oracle
Doesn't sound like there will be an NMS change for .4, so, that's good.
Morning friends btw
worn ember
maybe protocol bump?
fallen oracle
Yeah they always bump protocol
worn ember
i dont think they did for .3 tho
fallen oracle
(I assume at least since VV already did a release)
zealous wedge
i assume they have some level of automation for the bumps in their releases
yes they did dark
fallen oracle
Yeah they auto bump
worn ember
oh nvm then, just nothing changed?
worn ember
do they even use gradle?
cosmic raft
yes :p
worn ember
oof
minor badge
so does mine though, kash! https://uwu.whats-th.is/339ucUe.png
cosmic raft
except:
- weird icons
- useless information
- squished feeling
and it burns my eyes by being white
zealous wedge
do you need to know the name of your current wifi network?
zealous wedge
also neither of you have load averages on your status bars?
minor badge
that's storage, wifi, memory, and cpu
twin lagoon
awa
cosmic raft
yea if I want that information I open htop
minor badge
or i can save time by just looking at the top of my screen
worn ember
why would you want that in your status bar
minor badge
it ain't in the way if i'm not looking 
cosmic raft
that too, i rarely need that information since I have a good machine :p
minor badge
the memory is really mostly a relic from when i was still on 16gb >.>
cosmic raft
minor badge
cosmic raft
my eyes
zealous wedge
that shade of green clashes with the purple
cosmic raft
yea I have no idea what that left side is
fallen oracle
proxy went through the vent. Vote her off
cosmic raft
VOWO?
twin lagoon
ew void
zealous wedge
wat
twin lagoon
ew light theme
minor badge
void
twin lagoon
ew proxi
twin lagoon
wtf zuwu
minor badge
light theme is epicmost @twin lagoon
twin lagoon
:(((
autumn magnet
Hi everyone, most of my Java knowledge stems from writing Spigot plugins over the course of 5 years, however I want to start expanding onto more enterprise things therefore learning all about the language overall.
I'm guessing that I would need a combination of the JavaDocs at all times alongside the Oracle documentation, so I'm just curious
How do I differentiate when I need to use two different things? Like a HashMap vs a WeakHashMap
Would I refer to the Javadocs for that?
heady spear
I mean 8 months, 5 years.. roughly the same thing
cyan nova
I mean 8 months, 5 years.. roughly the same thing
parallel studying
autumn magnet
@twin lagoon Yes, I've been learning Java through the docs for 8 months
twin lagoon
show me a screenshot of ur desktop @heady spear
autumn magnet
What's the issue with that?
My question is how do I identify my usecases for each different type of List, Map, etc
twin lagoon
what you're saying does not line up or make sense at all
autumn magnet
Me learning Java and me learning how to write Spigot plugins are two different things m8
What?
sharp sentinel
๐ค
twin lagoon
worn ember
you can easily google the use cases for each
sharp sentinel
Learning why youโd want to use different data structures is very much a computer science question rather than a Java question
Different backing methods or structures have different trade offs
heady spear
always use concurrent maps so u get thread safety n then u can do multithreaded prรถgramming
worn ember
wtf we dont do multithreading here, get out
sharp sentinel
Isnโt Javaโs concurrenthashmap /not/ locked?
autumn magnet
@worn ember I did google, the answer I got was " if object is specified as key doesnโt contain any references- it is eligible for garbage collection even though it is associated with WeakHashMap"
I asked here because hopefully someone could put it into dumber terms for me
heady spear
A lot of java's concurrency stuff is based on lock-less concurrency ye
zealous wedge
a WHM doesn't hold onto its keys
heady spear
wait I sent that paper before
autumn magnet
So if I put a key in there, when does it lose it?
wide chasm
iirc concurrenthashmap assigns regions that each thread can access, so you can still access multiple values at once, but within a region only by one thread. Might be completely wrong though
heady spear
https://cs.brown.edu/~mph/Herlihy91/p124-herlihy.pdf
!!! <--- ^^^^ best paper ever
I wanna get a tattoo of Maurice's face
fallen oracle
Why
sharp sentinel
Smh claiming another paper is better than PaperMC
cyan nova
So if I put a key in there, when does it lose it?
when it is garbage collected, usually a bit after there are no other references to it
autumn magnet
Yeah that was another question, I see some code with ConcurrentHashMaps vs HashMap but the javadocs just says it's for concurrency
heady spear
Maurice is a code hottie
autumn magnet
Is that something I learn about down the drain?
wide chasm
Yes
autumn magnet
I've only read so much of the nuts and bolts on Oracle's tutorials
sharp sentinel
Concurrent structures are often useful for non-concurrent use cases too - like ThreadLocalRandom is bae
Random without the locks
worn ember
TrueRandom wen?
cyan nova
yeah, use collect
autumn magnet
It's just supposed to print out the names of the person in order of the youngest to oldest
zealous wedge
why tf do you need a straem to add items to a list
sharp sentinel
Yeah please donโt do that
autumn magnet
What's wrong with streams?
sharp sentinel
Itโll be very slow
zealous wedge
are you serious here?
sharp sentinel
Lists.of
wide chasm
Streams are fine in non-hot code
zealous wedge
that's stupid and absurdly overcomplicated for what you're trying to do
sharp sentinel
Instead of the whole stream
slim nymph
@twin lagoon chill out, dont be hostile to users like that. even if you think its huck, imagine how welcomed a new user would feel with you acting like them if it wasnt.
autumn magnet
@zealous wedge No, not really, again, I'm just a beginner who learned Spigot before Java and don't really have the best ideas on concepts
next frost
It's a completely wrong use case for streams
twin lagoon
autumn magnet
The guides I have been reading told me to focus on code maintainability and readability
wide chasm
They are right
autumn magnet
I guess that looks much nicer to the eye than doing List#add for each person
zealous wedge
just List blah = new blah; blah.add(new Person(first)); blah.add(new Person(second));
sharp sentinel
Youโre currently mixing two paradigms
slim nymph
plus that doesnt appear to be huck, as huck had his normal account during the screenshot you posted
sharp sentinel
The list... And the stream
twin lagoon
aikar you'd be surprised
worn ember
its fine they're just being little bitch about streams cuz mojang hurt them
twin lagoon
huck set up an entire VM that looked like a random 11's computer to troll people
sharp sentinel
You can use either here, but mixing isnโt overly productive to readable and maintainable code
twin lagoon
i'm sure he'd do other stuff
zealous wedge
huck was like a blatant troll though
autumn magnet
Who is huck and why do you think I'm huck?
zealous wedge
renegade just sounds misinformed
autumn magnet
And I get what you mean Me4502, thanks, so Streams just aren't good for performance in general?
slim nymph
i dont believe it was huck, huck did not use alts until Oct 2nd
sharp sentinel
Streams arenโt good to use in performance sensitive code
twin lagoon
the entire huck account is an alt of someone
sharp sentinel
Theyโre okay to use in general
slim nymph
yes but if he was using alts his dumbass wouldnt of came back on the same one he trolled on before
zealous wedge
streams are a very good tool for doing a long series of operations on a set of data
sharp sentinel
If itโs cleaner and more readable, use them until you have evidence itโs causing performance problems
zealous wedge
especially operations that can be done independently of each other
autumn magnet
Yeah so what do you usually use to identify performance issues?
Is that what profiling is?
worn ember
i really dont get the whole stream hate for simple operations that run once lmao
autumn magnet
Like the YourKit shit
autumn magnet
I accept the apology
zealous wedge
yourkit, jvisualvm, etc
autumn magnet
๐
So I assume most of the time Java programming is a lot of reading the javadocs right?
For some reason I assumed like, people knew everything about each and every map and java class before they started diving into larger programs
zealous wedge
most programming is a lot of reading lol
slim nymph
plus the accoint is over 1 year old, so it is not huck
zealous wedge
https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure-platform-fabric/blob/bf7b20ac3cb2b6061f12f29180757ac6b786a253/src/testmod/java/net/kyori/adventure/platform/test/fabric/AdventureTester.java#L87 this is probably the smallest thing i'd use a stream for
sharp sentinel
I mean people get familiar with what they use frequently
twin lagoon
@slim nymph you can buy accounts for dirtcheap 
cyan nova
i really dont get the whole stream hate for simple operations that run once lmao
@worn ember Only hated when people start replacing every for loop with streams for no reason.
sharp sentinel
So youโd read less unless doing something different or needing to just double check
worn ember
dw aikar, michelle is just being a dum kaaskop again
worn ember
this is his account name now lul
slim nymph
this is not huck, so dont accuse them anymore please.
wide chasm
I can barely remember all the methods in one Java class, let alone the enterity of Java
next frost
I know the whole Java Standard Lib 
golden gust
Being a Dev is more about being able to brain logic, and google
autumn magnet
That makes me feel better lol, I thought I was just helpless when I kept forgetting methods and shit and going like "I'll never be able to work in enterprise"
minor badge
kittycat ๐ฅบ
sharp sentinel
Also understanding the โwhyโ on top of the โwhatโ
worn ember
or asking stef for an entire essay about a single topic
autumn magnet
How would you get through a job interview of them asking you for logic like, ummm
zealous wedge
i would be so lost without autocomplete in my ide
autumn magnet
What kind of map would you use to perform X operation
golden gust
Experience
worn ember
Drugs
wide chasm
Depending on the interview, pseudocode may be accepted
golden gust
Being able to justify why you'd do x
slim nymph
logical thought and problem solving skills is the more important interview techniques
worn ember
Just take some speed and blaze through it