at my work we dont even do programming excercises
#general
slim nymph
golden gust
It might not be the best solution for the job
But, there is always 200 ways to do one thing
cyan nova
A deep dive into algorithmics would benefit you more than studying individual javadocs
sharp sentinel
Those questions are usually more about an understanding of CS concepts than any code stuff
worn ember
meh algorithms are implementation details, kinda useless imo
unless you do that stuff daily
sharp sentinel
Pretty sure there’s an MIT OpenCourseWare on CS fundamentals
I’d recommend something like that
wide chasm
In CS, you have a lot of these very interesting kind of collections and they all have a specific purpose, but most of the time a simple ArrayList/HashSet does the job perfectly fine. LinkedLists are those kind of examples that look really nice on paper, but are very hard to actually apply correctly in your code and often unnecessary.
sharp sentinel
Nah linked lists are great for random insertion and removals
wide chasm
And how often do you need that in practice?
sharp sentinel
I’ve used it a fair few times in the last year
autumn magnet
Are problem solving skills and logical thinking just what comes to your brain or are they also developed with experience?
sharp sentinel
Generally for low level optimisation stuff
wide chasm
Only nice thing about LinkedList over ArrayList is that it's pretty easy to implement yourself (easier than ArrayList imo).
autumn magnet
Maybe a little bit of both?
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wide chasm
Experience mostly
worn ember
i havent used a single linked list in all my programming carreer
except for when it was seen in my class
cyan nova
meh algorithms are implementation details, kinda useless imo
It's unlikely you'll need to implement them yourself since many libraries already offer them but understanding the underlying logic is incredibly valuable
sharp sentinel
Understanding the inherent costs of algorithms is crucial for a lot of stuff tbh
wide chasm
I implemented linked list exactly once and never used it again afterwards
green turret
Most of this stuff isn't there to teach you about specific algorithms or data structures. You learn about specific algorithms and data structures to develop an understanding for the fundamental "hows" and to arrive at a common language for talking about problem solving in computation.
golden gust
it's about learning the general gist of how the collections work and their caveats
green turret
That's like saying "I've never had to use integrals since high school". No, maybe not, but understanding the concept provides part of a foundation you may need for something else.
autumn magnet
I think my breaking point in Java right now is really, let's think, for loops?
The for (int i = 0; i < 100) type of shit
I don't really usually understand the values you're supposed to put there, I wanted to maybe do some interactive practicing with an online course but couldn't find any good ones
slim nymph
Our interview question is something like:
There is an alien fleet heading towards earth with intent to destroy the planet in 3 days. You are responsible for saving as many lives as possible, and have the entire worlds resources at your disposal, including all armies and countries.
What do you do?
slim nymph
my question?
autumn magnet
Yeah
slim nymph
both, plus more. you got a mix of high stress, high risk, high responsibility, super pressing time deadline, with no path to winning.
worn ember
nothing, everyone is equal, so we all deserve to die equally
wide chasm
A for loop consists of three parts: the initial setup, the condition and the change every loop. This is displayed as three parts spearated by ;: for (initialization; condition; change). A typical loop that does something x times, is usally written as: for (int i = 0; i < value; i++) where value is the amount of time it has to be ran. Of course you can do much more stuff with it, for example, change the step to increment by 2, or change the initial start value.
slim nymph
there is no "answer" to this question.
the question is to evaluate HOW you at least try
where do you start? what choices do you make
autumn magnet
ahh
worn ember
would i be hired aikar?
autumn magnet
i'll try to practice that thanks stef
green turret
I sometimes work on projects with programmers that don't have a strong theoretical background in computer science. Usually that's not an issue in any way. Sometimes, they'll go off on the most ridiculous tangents because there's just that one fundamental thing they've missed. It's not that they're stupid and I'm smart, but I was taught a technique or approach that they weren't, and sometimes that results in them not arriving at the "natural" solution to a problem. You don't know when you need those fundamentals, they're just there or they aren't.
slim nymph
no dark youd be that lazy bum who doesnt actually want to do work or have responsibility
worn ember
so true
worn ember
i'd say its a stupid question and probably walk out xD
slim nymph
not really lol
wide chasm
I mean, doing nothing is a valid approach assuming that these aliens can't actually do any harm. As the question said "intent", they don't actually have to be able to do so.
autumn magnet
if they have developed advanced enough tech to be able to get to us
they probably could harm us
slim nymph
doing nothing = end of human life.
saving some of humanity going into bomb shelters and such to keep enough humans alive to keep humanity going = something
zealous wedge
i mean either they are genuine, they can destroy the planet, in which case all you can do is talk to them and convince them to not
autumn magnet
humans have been around for so long yet we've only recently been able to travel to the moon and whatnot
sharp sentinel
Yeah if they can destroy the planet there’s not much we can do
worn ember
yes, but then who do you pick huh?
wide chasm
doing nothing = end of human life.
Is that part of the question or an assumption?
green turret
One of ours is throwing a constant wrench in the gears until people give up and say "well then I don't know" or "well you can't account for everything", which are both "right" answers.
slim nymph
so then factor in choices like, do you focus on 1country, or try to save some from everywhere to keep diversity
sharp sentinel
Like long term survival elsewhere requires a lot of resources to be sent into space, alongside people
No way that’d be do-able in 3 days
zealous wedge
or they can't and can only cause severe harm to the planet, then try to spread out the population into bomb shelters
slim nymph
@wide chasm that would be my analyzation of your choice
if you choice to do nothing, you sacrificed all of humanity
autumn magnet
btw guys do any of you know about "sout" on intellij
I just discovered it today and it's so useful
wide chasm
If the aliens can't actually do harm, that wouldn't be so
worn ember
what if we just press esc and end the simulation?
slim nymph
i said destroy the planet, thats clearly harm lol
wide chasm
You said "with intent", not that they actually can do so
slim nymph
i did miss a detail also that they are so technically superior we cant defeat them
autumn magnet
Yeah this makes much more sense than it did 10m ago Stef, appreciate it
worn ember
then whats the point, if they are superior there's no point in trying to save ourselves, best thing to do is nothing and enjoy your last days before you perish
earnest rampart
macOS screenshots are so nice ngl
sharp sentinel
Honestly with the small number of people you’d be able to save, diversity becomes somewhat of a moot point
slim nymph
this question is a no win situation, so it also evaluates how do you handle the pressure of an obvious crushing defeat, do you give up or do you least try?
sharp sentinel
The gene pool would be so low that the concept of race would quickly disappear
mental crystal
if you can't beat them, join them
autumn magnet
Yeah my mom bought me this for my birthday, the performance isn't as good as it used to be cause I think the battery is pretty bad but it's my baby lol
slim nymph
@sharp sentinel in 3 days you could move 10s to hundreds of thousands of people
sharp sentinel
Yeah but where
If the planet is being destroyed, you’d need to send them to space
autumn magnet
I don't even know what year it is, just that it's a 13 inch macbook pro, I think 2017 or so
zealous wedge
there's lots of areas of the planet that are fairly unpopulated
wide chasm
They only want to destroy the planet, not necessarily us, so we would have to go to another planet. Not super feasibly large scale, but assuming you already have some rockets available, you could move at least some people.
slim nymph
eh i used the wrong word, it wasnt suppose to be "planet = gone"
sharp sentinel
3 days is not a lot of time, and we don’t have spacecraft for thousands of people
slim nymph
more land attack and kill humans
sharp sentinel
Ah okay
zealous wedge
you aren't going to get enough people into space, maybe whoever you can pack into the ISS
mental crystal
oh then just dig big bunkers and stuff everyone in
worn ember
well space isnt an option either cuz they'd have the planet surrounded i suppose
earnest rampart
you aren't going to get enough people into space, maybe whoever you can pack into the ISS
that's like 20 ppl at max
peak dirge
ok this is cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzcGwZ5PsnQ
zealous wedge
better than nothing
autumn magnet
@wide chasm for (int i = 0; i < 3; i++)
so, i starts off as 0, and as long as 3 is bigger than i, it keeps incrementing while performing whatever is in the codeblock?
wide chasm
This is what I do btw with such questions: I'll find what was unspecified, then turn that into a solution 🙂
worn ember
if they ahve interstellar space travel i'm sure they can take care of some escape pods
sharp sentinel
Even ISS wouldn’t be enough tbh, if we went with the old assumption of the earth being gone - they’d die out very quickly anyway with nowhere to inhabit sfterwards lol
slim nymph
and there are bomb shelters all over, i think we normally focused the question on china due to its size complexity with the idea there was shelters available but not everyone was in reach
wide chasm
Yes renegade
slim nymph
but with all the anti china resentment going on, tried to rephrase it
autumn magnet
Wow awesome, I was so stuck but in reality it was so simple lol
wide chasm
If the aliens want to kill humans and are more technically advanced, a bomb shelter doesn't necessarily have to help - no reason they can't attack the bomb shelters.
worn ember
well i think ur interviewer is dum cuz there are no aliens /s
slim nymph
part of the question was to also try to not over think it too much lol
avoid going down the path of "This is pointless" and giving up
wide chasm
If that'd be a requirement, I'd be unfit for the job 🙂
worn ember
inb4 "we havent hired anyone in years"
mental crystal
tell everyone to play dead
cyan nova
part of the question was to also try to not over think it too much lol
ever got any tinfoil hat guys who had already considered the scenario and offered a suspiciously quick and detailed solution?
slim nymph
see, the idea here is, if you stop trying to solve a problem because your initial assessment seems like its not possible to win, your guaranteed loss, and if you dont try to keep finding solutions, you wont find that one you didnt think of initially
earnest rampart
diplomacy
slim nymph
to translate to the real world, your business is in meltdown due to some bug, do you tell your CEO theres no way out of this, just because you couldnt figure it out on day 1, or do you keep trying until you do?
sharp sentinel
If the earth was gonna be gone, I think my strategy would be:
Get the top astronauts around the world to all be sent to Mars with various launch sites, and equipment to setup small tent things with hydroponics and oxygen (like in The Martian)
Then dedicate every single other spacecraft on the planet to fire an abundance of resources in a similar ratio to earth’s at Mars to crash land over nearby the settlement
wide chasm
You keep trying - at least until the company is absolutely completely dead, but that wouldn't happen in one day
sharp sentinel
to translate to the real world, your business is in meltdown due to some bug, do you tell your CEO theres no way out of this, just because you couldnt figure it out on day 1, or do you keep trying until you do?
Trick question, you talk to the team to come up with a solution together or find a way around it if it’s in feasible to solve
worn ember
and then the aliens shoot them down and you all cry and debris falls on highly populated areas
golden gust
The idea is to assess if your step is to keep trying to find a solution using whatever resources you have, e.g. you have a full team
slim nymph
@wide chasm which is a good answer, but those who answered "do nothing, because everyones gonna die anyways" essentially gives up on day 1.
wide chasm
Or you ask SO for help and pray they don't mark your question as off-topic 😉
sharp sentinel
There are many risks there DED, but it’s better than nothing
golden gust
vs, "i canny do this" and moving on
worn ember
could enjoy life for a few days to the fullest and accept the fact you'll die? i dont think thats a bad option in that case tbh
slim nymph
also good responses would be as leader directing various others to help find solutions, delegation
you know, those who just gave up didnt even consider diplomacy with the aliens
autumn magnet
Well hey thanks guys! I hope we can have more discussions like this lately, you all seem like a smart group of folk I'll be able to learn from. For now, I need to get dressed as it's my stepfather's birthday and we're going to dinner later, but I'll definitely start reading more about javadocs and doing more implementations to sponge up all of the knowledge I can.
For now, do you guys think books are useful resources? For learning Java, etc.
wide chasm
They can be, but it's possible without
autumn magnet
I don't really know what else I'd need to learn, I feel like I have what I need to know jotted down and I'd just need to focus on the implementations and logic.
slim nymph
there is no right answer, but giving up because you cant win is the wrong answer
worn ember
its less typing tho
wide chasm
Start doing some small projects and work your way up, you'll notice if you lack in any area soon enough
golden gust
sharp sentinel
Ngl the question is more interesting if the earth is actually blown up 😛
autumn magnet
And I guess that's where the resources like StackOverFlow and google come in, huh?
wide chasm
Yes
slim nymph
and @sharp sentinel your answer was great too
autumn magnet
Yeah, a few days ago I felt as if I'd never be able to do this crap on my own but now I feel like I'm getting the hang of things
Thanks
It's all coming together
slim nymph
it doesnt matter how viable a solution is, what matters is TRYING
worn ember
does trying to enjoy your last days count?
wide chasm
If the goal is to enjoy, but the goal is to save as many people as possible
golden gust
You're given a potentially unsolvable situation
"fuck it, imma go have fun", is not really what the question is looking for
worn ember
sounds like a great movie plot tbh, some Jon wick level, shit where some dude tries to die peacefully but some alien invasion happens so he stops the entire invasion just to die in peace
slim nymph
another interesting idea would be to consult with all the world leaders to see if they have any secret tech they were working on that might change things
golden gust
area 51
worn ember
then it turns out the're invading cuz some nation captured one of them
and then yeets out the window
wide chasm
The aliens are more technologically advanced then us, though, so assuming that statement is correct, they wouldn't necessarily have anything that would change much in the end. We might be able to live longer for a while because of that tech, but eventually the aliens will kill us all.
worn ember
or just let earth deal with it like in War of the Worlds
wide chasm
Still a viable option if you want to live longer though
sharp sentinel
Nah it’s a trick question - the aliens get covid and don’t know how to deal with it
slim nymph
@wide chasm say everyone goes to shelters, or hunkers down in homes, then the aliens get here and they die in our atmosphere within 24 hours. We didnt know this, but if we gave up and accepted fate, the amount of loss could be near 100% vs saving some and have people remaining to rebuild society afterwards
wide chasm
Yes, if that'd be the case that's a valid approach
worn ember
or they just nuke the shelteres and they kill millions in one blow
slim nymph
key point there, dont give up, more solutions can present themselves later
worn ember
profit
cyan nova
Nah it’s a trick question - the aliens get covid and don’t know how to deal with it
plot twist they are not biological
wide chasm
Although assuming we can 'live' on places without an atmosphere and they are more technologically advanced, I'd assume they would be able to survive here.
golden gust
Y'all are tryna read into it too much
worn ember
if you smart you wear full suits
wide chasm
That's what I do
sharp sentinel
Reading into it is the interesting part tho, it’s actually a super interesting problem when you tighten it a lot
wide chasm
But - if I may be so blunt - that's not necessarily bad: it ensures that you gather as much information as possible, to make the best decision there is.
slim nymph
yeah when i got asked the question they didnt put in the detail about them being so far superior that they cant be defeated, so i took it as "I have the entire worlds military under my control, WAR MOTHER FUCKERS!"
so they added that detail to switch focus to defense instead of offense lol
wide chasm
lol
golden gust
ITT: aikar breaks interview questions
sharp sentinel
Ngl that’d be an interesting RTS, start with a few days before a cataclysmic event (eg alien invasion) and lots of resources etc, and you have to prepare for it then survive / win
wide chasm
For uni assignments, I've spent multiple pages on very simple questions, just putting in "let us assume that x" and "if y is the case, then", just to be absolutely completely correct.
I'm doing something similar here.
cyan nova
Ngl that’d be an interesting RTS, start with a few days before a cataclysmic event (eg alien invasion) and lots of resources etc, and you have to prepare for it then survive / win
well stellaris is a game that vaguely has this concept with endgame crisis.
slim nymph
i dl'd that game but it just looks too damn complex
maybe easier on PC but man im surprised they pulled that game off on console lol
cyan nova
it's a paradox game so yeah but probably one of the least complex in its category
idk about the console versions but i think they are many versions behind and lack features
slim nymph
i want an eve online for console 😦
stiff yarrow
i want an eve online for console 😦
@slim nymph isn't this a game you have to nolife
I can't play nolife games
slim nymph
for hard core yeah, but one of the nice things is leveling up occurrs while offline too
but for pvp it is no life
if you log out outside of a space station you stay floating there
iirc, its been so long since i played
but when you own solar systems, people can raid you
the wars that occur in that game, and corporate sabotage, spies, its insane
you can have ships that take YEARS to build up then get blown up, with real life value of 10k+ USD
the most powerfulship in game is something you dont go flying out in without your entire team/army
queen moat
Is there a reason to use BungeeCord vs WaterFall?
stiff yarrow
it sounds like something you could enjoy if you were retired
queen moat
And is it worth me taking the time to set up a rotating proxy?
queen moat
so bungeecord bad?
unreal quarry
I played maybe 2 hours of eve online. I found it very slow paced. Never logged back in after that
queen moat
Oh awesome so plugins will be compatible too? API's are all the same?
twin lagoon
yes
queen moat
Lovely!
twin lagoon
ideally though, you'd switch to Velocity
queen moat
Why?
queen moat
I have a bungeecord plugin that manages a queue system for my server sadly..
It needs to have the bungeecord api
unreal quarry
I'd switch to velocity if I could bring my bungee plugins with me
That's what holds me back
twin lagoon
tuinity is leaf's fork of paper
queen moat
I heard it's just experimental tweaks that may go into paper at a later date
twin lagoon
from my experience it has better performance
i'd stick to paper unless you need the extra performance after you squeezed out as much as possible
queen moat
My survival 1.16 server is hard stuck 40 player cap
And now our Proxy can't keep up with the 150 players on the network
slim nymph
oh that video was meh on combat, https://youtu.be/UVDPF6kFkic?t=1207 this shows some combat of the game
valid mango
Does velocity have some metrics on performance vs waterfall, or do they just say it is faster
slim nymph
but you can see how Role Playing this game can get lol
queen moat
yea ive been trying to find metrics on paper, bukkit, spigot, tuinity, and I can't actually find any
valid mango
Hmm yeah if it is not proven then it is not worth the lack of plugins/work done on bungee/waterfall
mental meadow
because there is no way to accurately test the performance of those different implementations, since it depends on a million different things and even if you change one small thing everything might be different
twin lagoon
tuxed (the developer of velocity) had an instance of velocity running
700 players @ 150% cpu
with actual players
queen moat
..Damn
twin lagoon
it is definitely worth switching over
golden gust
Velocity defo has improvements due to it's ability to use fancy new stuff and the fact that it's designed with the foresight of bungees fallbacks
valid mango
I would take a defaults everything test
golden gust
e.g. to my understanding, it deals with people doing bad stuff in the networking better
(Stuff which can't really be fixed in waterfall without rewriting a bunch of stuff and breaking 200 plugins...)
queen moat
Also, right now my proxy restarts daily, and kicks everyone off the network. How would I implement a proxy redirect every 12 hours so players join the new proxy, and the old one turns off
golden gust
you can;t
queen moat
Really?
golden gust
best you could do is rolling upgrades and let the players drain out of that "dead" instance, or just boot them
golden gust
But, yea, there is 0 reason to restart the proxy outside of updates
queen moat
We were having lag issues and our host said do a daily proxy restart
mental meadow
bad host 😄
twin lagoon
lag likely has nothing to do with your proxy
valid mango
Probably just a cheap host is your problem
queen moat
Yea I just bought a VPS
golden gust
Well, if the proxy was lagging after some time, you should investigate why
queen moat
So I can self manage it
valid mango
Scapegoat answer for their crappy service
twin lagoon
150 players on a proxy shouldn't lag either
slim nymph
man this video is like a damn space war movie lol
twin lagoon
i've ran 350 players on 1 proxy, 1.15 without problems
golden gust
that often means something is going sideways somewhere and you should work out why, as issues like that only tend to get worse as you deal with more players, etc
Soon you'll be tryna justify hourly restarts
valid mango
I like Aikar just continuing to talk about games in the middle of this convo xD
queen moat
whew yeah, that wouldn't be good
Okay thanks for the info! I'm going to look into making some changes on how I manage it then
unreal quarry
but you can see how Role Playing this game can get lol
@slim nymph tbf, any game can be role played. You seen those plane simulator videos? ^_^
magic river
Tried playing Baldur's Gate 3 last night, multiplayer is broken 😦
Combat desyncs so hard it was taking 2-5 minutes for even my own actions to register on my screen, had to roundtrip through the host before it allowed them
cosmic raft
maybe I will go to the mall today
twin lagoon
our malls are open too
everything is open 
although shit is slowly going to close down again because of rising numbers
autumn magnet
What's the difference between an enhanced for loop and forEach
slim nymph
i wouldnt dare put my ass in a mall
our numbers have only continued to rise, but hey lets send kids back to school
worn ember
They need it
autumn magnet
Is there anything I could be doing better here?
It gives the expected output
but working doesn't mean efficient
autumn magnet
Me4502 told me as long as there's no hinder in performance streams are fine
I'm only running it once too
cyan nova
also the list of stringbuilders is unnecessary
autumn magnet
looks cleaner than continuously adding to list IMO
i dunno
whats wrong with doing that over continuously adding
slim nymph
what do you think your codes doing atm lol
slim nymph
its just doing same thing with more overhead
slim nymph
no, thats effectively creating a wrapper object that is essentially another list of your people
autumn magnet
* Returns a sequential ordered stream whose elements are the specified values.
Oh so it's creating like two lists
slim nymph
yes
you can also do like Arrays.asList(new Person(), new Person()); and just initialize it from start
next frost
Also forEach as terminal operation is a bit suspect in most cases
autumn magnet
Ah and the string builders yeah I was trying to make it so I didn't have to loop through each person but it wasn't working and I forgot to remove them
Here
and that's exactly what i wanted aikar thx
short yarrow
Would a regular for loop be preferred over forEach?
autumn magnet
No longer using the stringbuilders by the way @cyan nova
Yeah that's the main question I have now, what's the difference really?
next frost
forEach on streams is suspicious in most cases, on collections it's fine as long as code isn't split up over multiple lines
short yarrow
easier to read?
cyan nova
what i'd do: once you got your list: sort them using the stream api, then map to string, then collect to single string and print that
twin lagoon
chivitos you've been here long enough to use #paper-help
void void
Oh yea
short yarrow
I think the compiler converts it to stringbuilder as well
short yarrow
I think there are cases you would use StringBuilder over concatenation, but can't think of any right now
autumn magnet
I think the compiler converts it to stringbuilder as well
@short yarrow Yeah it does
I guess there's no performance advantage or anything
cyan nova
stringbuilder is useful in loops and stuff where you are unsure of the exact number of concatenations required
next frost
big O notation
cyan nova
time complexity where N is the amount of elements you are processing
O(N) is linear time basically
golden gust
exact same as you do a newline in a string
worn ember
\n
autumn magnet
yeah I thought there was a special way or something
that's why I was doing the list of string builders last time
but this has the same expected output
Timmy, 10, null
Marcus, 14, sysadmin
John, 18, software engineer
David, 20, build architect
yeah but it's only one print operation now
autumn magnet
There should honestly be a StringBuilder#newLine option or something
Did I do that right?
When should I use hashtags in sentences versus a period
next frost
is used for instance methods/attributes
autumn magnet
What if the program is being ran on a platform that doesn't use \n for newline ;p[
cosmic raft
It still works.
next frost
or you can use System.lineSeparator()
cyan nova
ideally you should have overriden Person#toString (or another method) to output name, age etc
then after you create your list: System.out.println(peopleList.stream().sorted(<ComparatorHere>).map(Person::toString).collect(Collectors.join("\n")));
mighty storm
public static void private Object String void main(String[] []args[])
cosmic raft
bahhh
next frost
twin lagoon
what do you want to buy
cosmic raft
an iPad
twin lagoon
k bought it for you
twin lagoon
how much is it even
cosmic raft
$429.99
twin lagoon
lul
cyan nova
how much is it even
the answer is too much for a mediocre, locked down device
valid mango
What are you planning on using it for
cosmic raft
autumn magnet
iPad Pro?
valid mango
glorified note taker?
next frost
it's super useful if you want to take notes and stuff
cosmic raft
Notes is one thing yes
autumn magnet
@cosmic raft I would buy it, I'm definitely buying an iPad Pro soon
I had the 6th generation regular iPad and it was amazing
My MacBook is too slow for me to consider taking into university with me
So the ipad pro will be my goto
valid mango
I do think they are overpriced, but I did buy an iPad pro for my SO and she really likes it for school work/note taking.
autumn magnet
SO?
Oh significant other
Yeah I'm just hoping to finance one with the student discount.
cosmic raft
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autumn magnet
If that even applies to me, I'm in grade 11
cosmic raft
pls
autumn magnet
Is that CAD or USD?
cosmic raft
CAD
autumn magnet
do it :3
cosmic raft
If it was $100 less I probably would
cyan nova
other than note taking i dont see a reason to use a tablet... and even then if you are seated an ultrabook or even your phone is probably fine
autumn magnet
think about it as usd
cosmic raft
My phone is not fine when I want to write notes . I just regular paper right now but lose notes all the time
cosmic raft
yes but my bank account is in CAD :p
valid mango
My main issue at this point is that I hate the software available for note taking on these devices
autumn magnet
F
valid mango
I plan on getting an E-ink tablet that feels more like paper, and then maybe writing my own note syncing service
autumn magnet
notes is good enough for me
cause since they sync up with icloud i could move from ipad to macbook
to iphone
the apple ecosystem is so great to me
valid mango
notes doesn't have hand drawing does it?
autumn magnet
yeah it does for the ipad i think
you can use the pencil thing
if not there is a stock ios app that supports that
cosmic raft
Without an apple pencil I can afford it if I wanted
valid mango
yeah idk, they don't really scale when it comes to organization
cyan nova
I plan on getting an E-ink tablet that feels more like paper, and then maybe writing my own note syncing service
why not use something like syncthing?
autumn magnet
Apple Notes app has a handwriting recognition feature built-in. ... Plus, you don't even need to unlock your iPad to start taking handwritten notes. Just tap on your iPad's lock screen with your Apple Pencil. This will create a new blank note that you can start writing in.May
valid mango
you're basically stuck with onenote for free (which I have had so many issues with), or paid evernote
Yeah I've seen syncthing, looks like a good idea to try out
cyan nova
or nextcloud
valid mango
I'm talking more about writing something if the tablet I get does not have good software
I was looking at the remarkable, but their software is really locked down and kind of crap
twin lagoon
uwu
autumn magnet
Is the Apple Pencil needed to draw?
twin lagoon
apple pencil dbrand skin is fucking epic
cosmic raft
writing notes is not easy without one
valid mango
You "could" draw with your finger, but it really really sucks
autumn magnet
$129 for a god damn pencil
valid mango
Even with those rubber/cloth tip styluses it sucks
autumn magnet
What if I just bought a real pencil and used that instead /s
Idk I wouldn’t mind taking paper notes but I’d lose them easily
cosmic raft
I'm only considering this because I keep losing paper notes
one of which had something important on
autumn magnet
Rip
cyan nova
write in paper then digitize?
autumn magnet
A password or something?
I know some people who keep their passwords on notes and I’m like why would you do such a thing
I guess it’s cause they’re probably neater than me
But yeah I’m generally always a mess
cosmic raft
blah
meh
didn't realise the pencil was so expensive, I came here ready to buy if it worked good
thought it was like $50
autumn magnet
Not a fan of financing it?
I probably wouldn’t think about it all that much if it only came as like $10 a month for 12 months
cosmic raft
Cannot finance
cosmic raft
Yea michael
autumn magnet
Buy it for him then
cyan nova
look, it's a special pencil made of ivory and gold 😂
cosmic raft
do it I dare you
twin lagoon
ngl kashike would've probably bought it for you but i already spent $1000 dollars this month
for another rtx 3080
twin lagoon
yes i bought another one because my first one hasn't arrived yet
cosmic raft
making me cry Michael
autumn magnet
Wtf
twin lagoon
look i'm #1 in queue for an evga card at another store now
autumn magnet
What are you gonna do with the other one when the first one arrives
twin lagoon
cancel the order or give it to my brother
who will obviously pay for it
how much money do i have on paypal is the question
cosmic raft
yes that is the question!!
cosmic raft
rip
twin lagoon
cosmic raft
why is there a *
twin lagoon
estimated, multiple currencies in account
cosmic raft
ah
autumn magnet
Why?
cosmic raft
oh well
next frost
€xyz EUR 
autumn magnet
I don’t use PayPal but isn’t it like someone sends you their own currency they’ll convert it to yours?
I saw a user interface page for something like that on it before
twin lagoon
yes and no
limber knotBOT
depends on how you set it up
twin lagoon
it defaults to eur for me but you can still send in other currencies
i accept both eur & usd which is probably why that happens
limber knotBOT
iirc you can make it auto convert or keep the currency you get
autumn magnet
Yeah that makes sense
limber knotBOT
what's cool is that you can use partial balances of another currency wallet if the original one doesn't have enough
(their exchange rates suck though (imo))
twin lagoon
paypal exchange rates fucking suck yes
limber knotBOT
I stopped accepting payments in anything but euro lol
cosmic raft
eh I'll just buy a cinnamon bun and go home
twin lagoon
cosmic raft
stupid pencil ruining my day
twin lagoon
what a time we live in
minor badge
cinnamon buns are EPIC kash
cunning raft
bruh just by a regular pencil and a piece of paper
cosmic raft
try reading what I said earlier
limber knotBOT
until a digital paper can feel the same way as a real one it's not worth it imo lol
cunning raft
im joking kash ik
twin lagoon
you're fired
meager tusk
Sike. You're not fired. 
valid mango
@wheat quarry e-ink tablets are pretty much the same feeling
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
lol no josh
never seen an e-ink tablet + pen combo that wasn't plastic/rubber scrabing over a hard surface
you can't compare that to the feeling of paper and a pencil or ball pen
autumn magnet
I wish macbook pros weren’t so expensive
I would love to just buy the 16inch model but it’s like 2k for the base version
meager tusk
I wouldn't buy the 16 inch model
autumn magnet
I think 13 inch is too small
limber knotBOT
anything above 7 inch is way too big
twin lagoon
fuck you idriz i have taste
limber knotBOT
runs
autumn magnet
Yeah I don’t want to use Windows for like a laptop
autumn magnet
Nor do I want linux on a laptop
meager tusk
Apple just nails design
autumn magnet
Macos seems like the best portable OS too me but that’s just me, their ecosystem works great as a daily driver
meager tusk
Yeah
twin lagoon
they nail hardware too clearly
twin lagoon
TL;DR: recent Macs (2018-2020, T2 chip) are no longer safe to use if left alone and physical access was possible, even if you had them powered down.
The root of trust on macOS is inherently broken
They can bruteforce your FileVault2 volume password
They can alter your macOS installation
They can load arbitrary kernel extensions
cunning raft
looks good != nailing hardware
twin lagoon
that was a meme jroy
cunning raft
and yeah that's old news
meager tusk
Okay so common sense Michael
autumn magnet
You’re acting like windows doesn’t have issues too
cunning raft
windows isn't a hardware vendor
autumn magnet
Windows and Linux have had their share of vulnerabilities throughout the years
twin lagoon
what
cunning raft
Idriz that's not what that exploit is about
twin lagoon
read the article
autumn magnet
That’s a vulnerability right?
cunning raft
you need physical access
twin lagoon
no you really want to read this article
autumn magnet
You act like anyone here reads articles people use to quote
Mmm alright I’ll read the article
cunning raft
t2 chip is pretty much the iBoot for macos
autumn magnet
First name I saw was axi0mx
limber knotBOT
imagine using Intel processors that are exploitable via Javascript on a webpage
autumn magnet
That dude can hack anything Apple makes
limber knotBOT
runs
cunning raft
phoenix 
valid mango
you can't compare that to the feeling of paper and a pencil or ball pen
@phoenix616#0000 https://youtu.be/W9wudCMFWPQ?t=162
there are a lot of really good ones coming out that are comparable
meager tusk
Don't let people near your laptop 
cunning raft
good one?
meager tusk
Good one, yeah
cunning raft
a root of trust exploit is very bad
valid mango
I'll set a reminder to message you in 5 years lol
autumn magnet
I’m never leaving that shit unattended if I buy one
cunning raft
all it takes is one slip up
limber knotBOT
not just getting a good old T430 smh
cunning raft
still v bad
meager tusk
same could be argued about any laptop lol
all it takes is one slip up into another guy's bag
autumn magnet
Yeah plus that’s just an exploit you can iCloud lock
cunning raft
apple sheep i stg
meager tusk
aPplE sheEP
autumn magnet
Windows laptops you can just hard reset
cunning raft
another reason why OSS is more secure
meager tusk
It's not about being an apple sheep, I just like the OS lol
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
no reason to use MacOS when one likes the OS though, you can get the same experience in Linux
autumn magnet
Nah I’m joking but really
cunning raft
ok then why are you down playing a serious security lapse (Idriz)
limber knotBOT
runs
cunning raft
you like their os, to each their own, but you're saying "just don't lose ur laptop bro"
twin lagoon
https://owo.whats-th.is/2wFxKsE.png @meager tusk
cunning raft
like that solves it
autumn magnet
What does this security thing allow people to do?
valid mango
Linux still can't beat the touch pad
twin lagoon
full root access
ancient bolt
I use macOS on my work machine, and my personal laptop is a macbook pro. I'm definitely a sheep
meager tusk
@twin lagoon
cunning raft
brute force password rene
autumn magnet
I see
mighty storm
im a cat
twin lagoon
or just keylog the password
meager tusk
@cunning raft That does solve it, don't let people around your laptop lol
autumn magnet
I guess it’s bad in the sense someone malicious wanted to access your files
but if someone wanted a new MacBook then like
"just don't lose your laptop bro"
cunning raft
if apple didn't treat security researchers like shit they'd be in a better situation
instead they contribute next to nothing to open source and barely have a bug bounty program
twin lagoon
clearly they didn't care enough
meager tusk
I'm not arguing about Apple's ethics, apple is a shitty company
but saying "oh but if somebody gets close to your laptop it is in danger" literally applies to every device in existence lol
autumn magnet
@cunning raft if they didn’t pay out couldn’t that get them in legal trouble?
do you have examples of where someone reported a bug and didn’t get paid for it
but the issue got resolved
meager tusk
@autumn magnet you're wrong here, apple has lawyers that get paid millions
suing apple won't go far
autumn magnet
That was a question though
lawyers that get paid millions, still, what defenses will they have that aren’t going to go around in a loop
I don’t have a good understanding of the court system but if they’re clearly offering payouts for these things on their website
limber knotBOT
doesn't matter, they are going around a loop until you run out of money
autumn magnet
someone reports one, they fix it but don’t pay
cunning raft
for example I've found 2 bugs in webkit, first time I reported it to apple i got no money and barley any communication (and it took them a shit ton of time to fix). for the second one (and from now on out if I ever find more webkit bugs) I've just reported them as security bugs to chrome (since they have to use webkit on apple) and google will actually pay me
and no bug bounty system doesn't entitle you to money @autumn magnet, you just hope you get paid
you're reporting a bug based on good faith they'll give you money
autumn magnet
I don’t know if bugs on webkit are listed as payout reward
cosmic raft
so this is interesting
cosmic raft
this guy at this store recognises me even with a facemask
cyan nova
imagine using proprietary software and waiting for others to fix the issues 😛
waxen panther
@minor badge
worn ember
only one click, two clicks get you nothing
autumn magnet
you're reporting a bug based on good faith they'll give you money
@cunning raft these are set in stone payouts however
autumn magnet
I think if you’re reporting any bugs other than what’s listed
it’s just a 50/50 chance you’re paid for it
waxen panther
they're not set in stone at all
cunning raft
the website you gave is not a contract
and the bug i reported to them is payout worthy
it was an RCE vuln
autumn magnet
I don’t know what that is but is WebKit their software to maintain?
cunning raft
if you don't know what it is why are you making statements like you do
waxen panther
yes they develop it 🤨
cunning raft
it's their browser stack
autumn magnet
You’re being passive aggressive about this whole conversation while I’m just simply trying to make it to get more knowledge about the subject?
worn ember
browsers dont stack
limber knotBOT
maybe yours doesn't
autumn magnet
I’m not making statements, I’ve been asking you questions this entire time about how this whole thing works. It’s just a career path I may pursue and was talking to someone with clearly more experience than me in it
cunning raft
sorry for misunderstanding it seemed like you were trying to discredit what i was saying
autumn magnet
no, was just following along hoping I got everything down
if it was payout worthy
but you didn’t get paid
I guess I get what you mean by Apple treats security researchers like shit
But I was trying to compare what if you found a vulnerability they explicitly said they pay out for on that site
cunning raft
nothing I sign says apple has to pay me, it's all up to them what they deem needs a payout
autumn magnet
Versus you just finding a vulnerability in random software they own
Like if you found an iCloud vulnerability that matches the details that goes for the $100k bug bounty payout
And they end up not paying but acknowledging your discovery and fixing it
You can’t sue them for that?
cyan nova
generally it's not worth pursuing unless you get really lucky and find something really big. Even then it's not exactly stable income. If you are interested in this line of work then pentesting would be a better choice
there's few people who made a career out of bug bounties
meager tusk
apple is unethical what else is new 
autumn magnet
When I said career path, I meant something I could find as an occupation or study path in college
Well it’s just theoretical, I wasn’t saying they’d actually do that, @meager tusk I’m just saying could you sue them if that’s the case
not saying I meant asking
cyan nova
When I said career path, I meant something I could find as an occupation or study path in college
AI and CyberSecurity are the two main paths most Comp Sci students take, in UK at least
minor badge
@waxen panther wat
waxen panther
good morning
minor badge
pogu
cosmic raft
now to spend an hour heading home
minor badge
enjoy ur cinnamon buns kash 🥺
cosmic raft
no u
minor badge
mail me em then
twin lagoon
awa
cosmic raft
got something to show aurora when I get home
twin lagoon
minor badge
@mental meadow ! :0
cosmic raft
if aurora is still here by then
minor badge
sure she will be
mossy vessel
lmao 😉
minor badge
who in the fuck unbanned you after being banned for sexual harassment
autumn magnet
I’m not gonna lie, a lot of times I often find myself using other people’s code in my own projects
void void
idk but im sorry, i will stop
autumn magnet
Is this bad? Is that plagiarism?
mental meadow
cinnamon!!!!
minor badge
just give proper credit where credit is due, renegade
heady spear
@cosmic raft cinnamon buns yay ur so swedish uwu
cosmic raft
uwu
heady spear
kanelbullar <33333
autumn magnet
Yeah like for example I did tuis last night
cedar spade
(and follow licenses)
autumn magnet
Someone had an abstract class for item stacks they used for spells, and I just copied and pasted the abstract class
heady spear
I had two dammsugare bcuz dammsugare are bae :3
cedar spade
it depends
autumn magnet
Or is that what you would call a part in the day of the life?
What else does it depend on? I’m not sure how more specific I could get
It was an abstract class that had a map of all of the items, it added the item to the list in the class constructor and like, it just had the abstract method for onUse
I just don’t want to be called a code stealer or something even though I guess that is what I did, but that would get you a bad name wouldn’t it?
zealous knot
so now there's people who like to go 9 years back in MC versions instead of 8?
bruh moment
mossy vessel
Tux thing, can't be that bad 
zealous knot
Yeah and leaf is a contributor kek
spice finch
cedar spade
yes
autumn magnet
Am I gonna be using standard for loops a lot? Are they worth getting the hang of?
Or is it generally now just enhanced for
https://github.com/canyonmodded/canyon
@zealous knot Is that...MeltedLux who's contributing to that?
That's awesome.
zealous knot
who 
zealous knot
i thought everyone knew me
mossy vessel
If Michael doesn't know them they can't be that important/known
zealous knot
yes, all knowing 🅱️ichael doesn't know something is sus
autumn magnet
@twin lagoon Do you know SpongyBacon or Evoltr?
twin lagoon
no
cyan nova
Am I gonna be using standard for loops a lot? Are they worth getting the hang of?
usually enhanced loops are preferred as you are less likely to make index errors. But you should get familiar with how loops work in general.
autumn magnet
Yeah I think Michael is just from a different era lol
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel depends
autumn magnet
How long have you been playing Minecraft or in this community Michael?
twin lagoon
2012 or something
twin lagoon
no
autumn magnet
Corin?
zealous knot
i'm around since jan 2012 and i don't know them either
twin lagoon
autumn magnet
TheReverend403, vemacs?
mossy vessel
Well, you know a lot of people lul
meager tusk
Hey Michael do you know Idriz
twin lagoon
i think most people would recognize vemacs
autumn magnet
I don't know, I always thought they were like pretty known people in the community
Yeah definitely vemacs at least
gsand?
twin lagoon
gsand is in here
autumn magnet
I never knew that
twin lagoon
go away idriz
meager tusk
.
cedar spade
vemacs is still "around"
meager tusk
Why?
autumn magnet
I haven't been here for long anyways
Really? I thought he was a college dude now
Well not college dude
cedar spade
ie their IRC bouncer is still up
autumn magnet
I meant I thought he left this community a long time ago
I saw he moved off his old GitHub to a new one using his real name, so like a more professional identity
cedar spade
he worked on EssentialsX's 1.11 support ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mighty storm
new roadmap stuff epic
autumn magnet
@twin lagoon @zealous knot DarkSeraphim, Twister915, or RenegadeEagle?
What is roadmap?
twin lagoon
uh
autumn magnet
Is that what GitHub plans to add to their site?
mighty storm
ye
twin lagoon
yeah no none of those ring a bell
autumn magnet
Oh nice
zealous knot
I remember dark i don't remember from where, i think bukkit.org? dunno the rest
mighty storm
well, their platform(s)
autumn magnet
Darkseraphim was known as fireblast709 on bukkit I think
mighty storm
thats all 2021 Q1 stuff though
autumn magnet
Most of the people I'm listing just come from Spigot or are known in minecraft in general
zealous knot
god bless that dude
autumn magnet
Yeah he was really helpful
They're the people who got me into making Spigot plugins, now I'm trying to expand into Java.
autumn magnet
Probably a name you haven't heard but it's worth a shot Mister_Fix, Kainzo?
cosmic raft
I know that name, renegade :p
waxen panther
who hasn't heard the name Mister Fix
mental meadow
Started with S6 today btw @cosmic raft
autumn magnet
I thought he was more of a Spigot guy but md_5 and Kainzo working on zPermissions is what got me into looking at projects like PEX and LP to see how they handle these things
One of the bigger projects I want to take on once I fully wrap my head around the fundamentals of Java is a cross-platform very simple permissions plugin
vernal moth
(tm)
cosmic raft
@mental meadow :D
that's new on github:
An owner of this repository has limited the ability to open an issue to users that are collaborators on this repository.
mental meadow
That's cool
autumn magnet
Yeah that's pretty good, wasn't the Forge team complaining about a user spam opening issues on their GitHub page
I guess that doesn't fix the issue directly of being able to mass delete issues but it's indirect fix
autumn magnet
Wouldn't that annoy the support team
vernal moth
If you mass delete, Kash gets angry at you
cosmic raft
hm
autumn magnet
They could be focusing on other emails
vernal moth
Can't recommend 😂
mighty storm
could be a pro plan thing or smth
void void
Hey, how to inject dependencies into a .jar file in runtime ?
heady spear
Does anyone know if it's possible to get a non-dumb jline3 console when running in intellij? .-.
mighty storm
@void void just shade the deps in
heady spear
I don't wanna package the application & run it externally just to test stuff D:
autumn magnet
So let's say I mined a block and wanted 5 chickens to spawn
I'd do
for (int i =0; i < 5; i++)
then write the code to spawn 5 chickens?
next frost
then write to code to spawn one chicken
void void
That would only do it 4 times.
next frost
that code is repeated 5 times
void void
<=5
next frost
|{0, 1, 2, 3, 4}| = 5
void void
nvm, my bad, your right, I always get my languages mixed up
green turret
What devil language do you normally speak?
void void
My upstairs neighbor is currently not home, which means I have peace and quiet. What should I do?! Watch some TV on low volume? Read in my book? Sit in my recliner and not do anything and just enjoy the silence? Play Super Mario Odyssey?
Quick! Before he comes home and ruins my life again!
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@next frost youre so smart uwu
green turret
What the fuck are you quoting me for?
next frost
uwu thanks proxi
green turret
You're the weirdest little dude Marcel. So strange.
green turret
But what the fuck are you even doing?
void void
Super Mario Odyssey is a really cool game tho!
green turret
Prox, can you explain this behavior. I think maybe I'm just old.
autumn magnet
This usually would look like gibberish to me but now I understand what everything does
green turret
What does line 27 do?
autumn magnet
in my try catch, how would I return them back to the beginning where it asks how many times does it want them to print it
close the class
void void
@void void just shade the deps in
@mighty storm no
green turret
Unlike the code some of the students presented to me. Failed handin right there.
void void
That is very good your learning Java!
limber knotBOT
hm?
void void
I want inject in runtime
Are you also on episode 34 of thenewboston youtube tutorials?
limber knotBOT
inject in runtime? kinda sus
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Integer input = null;
do {
// Ask for #
try {
input = scanner.readInt();
} catch (...) {
// Bad!
}
} while (input == null);
// input is now valid
that's how i'd do it with how much you've learnt so far anyways :p
autumn magnet
I didn't know the do block existed ;p
minor badge
it's the same as while except it runs its contents at least once
minor badge
time to find out how to debug!
cyan nova
This usually would look like gibberish to me but now I understand what everything does
would suggest using a try-with-resources when using closeables like scanners,
autumn magnet
What are some good Java web frameworks?
I think I'm ready to start working on my first project
twin lagoon
sPriNG
autumn magnet
I'm not sure what it will be but I want to start the base
green turret
I like Dropwizard.
autumn magnet
Michael when is the last time you used Spring? Is it inituative and well doc'd?
green turret
If you use Spring, try out Spring Boot. It's like a newer, not so horrible Spring. But Dropwizard. Try Dropwizard.
autumn magnet
Like could I start the service and visit on localhost
Alright great
I'll try spring 😛
void void
I want to load the content of a .jar during execution in order to limit the weight of the main plugin
( ping me when reply )
Hi
is it possible to increase spawn rate in end?
Yes I think
an info? 😅
i can't find anything
golden gust
either do it globally in the config, or, use a plugin to set those, no idea what plugin that would be
iron zephyr
I have a super dumb question
If I have two plugins that register the same command (let's say /pa), will they conflict?
twin lagoon
one of them will override
vernal bone
Hello! Does anyone knows a tool, that I can use to translate 321 .yml files from spanish to english, without losing the proper formatting?
One is a Parkour plugin, one is Pvp Arena
@iron zephyr Try using the plugins prefix, for as an example the command /test will work with /plugin1:test, and plugin2:test too.
iron zephyr
Okay. My major concern is that I have a GUI menu set up, which allows people to join minigames. I don't want to rewrite all of it with /pvparena:pa just to add parkour haha
golden gust
you can use command.yml to alias /whatever to /plugin:whatever
autumn magnet
What's a great TTS API for Java?
iron zephyr
okay, thanks
autumn magnet
I think one of my first projects will be a TTS audio bot in Discord
cosmic raft
nothing
upper flicker
tacos
limpid comet
I want a taco now
potent fossil
i ordered food
mental meadow
@quasi valley
limpid comet
You think I'm happy baout it
potent fossil
.kill bluely
limber knotBOT
throws bluely to Cthulu and watches them get ripped to shreds.
mental meadow
I never had a taco in my live
limpid comet
okay, simple, can we band together against that statement
potent fossil
i wish we had .megakill
limpid comet
We may have had our differences over taco consumption schedules, but that is just unacceptable
quasi valley
mental meadow
kneny I can wear it
quasi valley
it's great tho
mental meadow
I can wear the uwu
quasi valley
that's not great tho >:(
mental meadow
It is but I have no idea what to do with it xD
pastel pivot
class A<T> {}
⬇️ Is there a proper english verb for describing this?
class B extends A<String> {}
Our prof called this "konkretisieren" (German), which translates to "concretize".
mental meadow
No you pour concrete over it
left swift
I was told when I was a kid that tacos had rat poop in them at lunch in school so I never ate one till this day
Till this day makes it sound like I'm having one today, which is not the case I have a good streak going
golden gust
#VomitFreeSince93
twin lagoon
@mental meadow UwU
tired heath
How much is that LED mask, actually I could wear it while I show everbody how sensless masks are in my op.
Maybe addind some finger in the end
mighty storm
why are people uwuing, gross
potent fossil
uwu
mighty storm
no uwuing outside of the designated uwu channel
wintry chasm
@void void server is stinky
void void
🥺
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) I can't attack that.
limber knotBOT
smashes DiscordBot's head in with a heavy iron rod.
potent fossil
stop spamming the bot.
earnest rampart
I sent 3 msgs
potent fossil
yeah two of which didnt work because you dont know how to use it
that's spamming. stop
there is an irc channel for messing with it
left swift
BoomerRC
mighty storm
smh bot usage in general
potent fossil
