where's the bot channel
#general
earnest rampart
potent fossil
#cafebabe on irc.spi.gt
can use a web irc client or a regular one
that is the designated bot spamming channel
mighty storm
u can also privmsg xD as well
static moat
Have you guys seen BlueMap yet?
it's pretty awesome
I'm gonna try and render out my server map today and get that set up
mental crystal
yeah, only if it didnt blur while completely zoomed out
static moat
that would probably take a lot more processing power lol
limber knotBOT
takes tons of time and storage though :S
limber knotBOT
TIL about /teammsg lmao
limber knotBOT
potent fossil
oh
limber knotBOT
in Minecraft
left swift
Haha simp
pseudo pilot
what would happen if systemtimemillis() exceeds the max float value
cyan nova
it's a long value and will take like 290 million years so don't worry
potent fossil
overflow
it won't happen, but if it did, that's what would happen
it would hit max and then start at Float.MIN_VALUE again
to see what i mean, use byte
for (byte b = 0; b < Byte.MAX_VALUE + 1; b++) { // can never hit Byte.MAX_VALUE + 1, it'll try and overflow to Byte.MIN_VALUE; this is an infinite loop.
System.out.println(b);
}
notice how it goes from 0 to 127 then tries to hit 128 (can't), flows to -128 and starts over
idk? what website is it
void void
intelijj sign up
potent fossil
if you're under 13 it'll likely make you get parental permission with a COPPA waiver
void void
i guess u have to be a kid to use it
void void
oh
potent fossil
weird way to do it, but yea...
potent fossil
they legally can't take and save your personal data without a COPPA waiver if you're < 13 yo
so if you check it, the next step would be "print this, have your mom/dad sign it, scan it, and send it back to us"
or possibly electronic form idk
@pseudo pilot did i answer your question?
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@potent fossil uwu
potent fossil
uwu
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good night simple π³
golden gust
simp smells
pseudo pilot
no u
potent fossil
i said cat not spanish cat
pseudo pilot
why is 127 so special in java
potent fossil
127 is byte's max value
pseudo pilot
oh
slim nymph
so uh does anyone know how a prepared meal you can buy off shelf thats not even refridgerated that contains beef and vegetables, has a 2 year expiration date?
potent fossil
@slim nymph simple answer. chemicals
slim nymph
they are dehydrated, this isnt
potent fossil
yeah i've had my fair share of MREs
slim nymph
this came in liquid even
potent fossil
fucking hell π€’
pseudo pilot
soylent is a mean replacement thingy
golden gust
wet MREs exist
pseudo pilot
you just drink it
golden gust
They're just often basically cooked hot enough to destroy bacteria and basically vacuum sealed
potent fossil
the MREs entrees are usually not dehydrated, but they're cold and lumpy. gotta use the heater with some water
otherwise hf
the crackers however...
dear god....
golden gust
could derail a train
slim nymph
(Thats my wifes food, not mine lol) wont find my ass eating potatos!
did the preview not load for anyone else
golden gust
I mean, the storage instructions scream MRE level food
slim nymph
but is nuke and vacuum really that effective at preservation though?
golden gust
works for MREs
slim nymph
beef and produce to last YEARS is just how lol
when i had mre's as a kid i remember a lot of dehydrated shit
that peanut butter man
the fun part of MRE's was bottle bombs π
autumn magnet
What are bottle bombs?
golden gust
Well, a lot of it is, but not all of it is
slim nymph
MRE's come with a chemical that whe nwater is added generates heat to warm up food
put it in 2litter bottle, add water, put cap on and throw it lol
heats up and blows out the bottle really loud boom (no fire)
golden gust
The trick is to grab a lighter
slim nymph
my aunt has always been with army guys so they showed us that trick as kids
golden gust
cosmic raft
You should ensure that a valid operator is provided
Otherwise give an error
@golden gust I watch bigclive quite often
entertaining videos
@autumn magnet see above, in case you are not watching here
unreal pike
Will converted worlds like 1.15>1.16 use new generation for new chunks?
unreal pike
Wouldn't it look kinda weird converting from 1.16 to 1.17 since so many things have changed?
Hope it blends well
golden gust
that's been brought up to mojang, so far we'll just have to wait and see as to how it plays out, but, probs
unreal pike
Alr thanks
golden gust
Nothing new, however; chunk borders across versions have never had any garauntee of being "pretty"
unreal pike
yea i can probably just set it farther out
autumn magnet
This looks like it make senses?
My "read" function basically just reads every single name from a text file and returns them in an array list
so the code takes this list, shuffles it around, and adds 15 random names from the shuffled list, then creates a new "Person" object for each of thesee names
just trying to get better at for loops
mighty storm
is there no Arrays.shuffle
queen crater
mighty storm
is there no array.sublist(start, end) like there is for strings
autumn magnet
chew you are great
there is
Returns a view of the portion of this list between the specified
* {@code fromIndex}, inclusive, and {@code toIndex}, exclusive. (If
* {@code fromIndex} and {@code toIndex} are equal, the returned list is
* empty.) The returned list is backed by this list, so non-structural
* changes in the returned list are reflected in this list, and vice-versa.
* The returned list supports all of the optional list operations supported
* by this list.<p>
mighty storm
so why are you randomizing the random
mighty storm
it's already shuffled, the first 15 will already be random
autumn magnet
because it'll select the first 15 from the shuffle
mighty storm
yeah, is that not what you want?
autumn magnet
I'm selecting a random from the list of results
fallen oracle
This baffles me. Why does my IDE shoot up to 9GB of RAM used when trying to do work with the Material enum.
autumn magnet
no i just want it to be shuffled
then 15 to be randomly selected
from that shuffle
zealous wedge
@fallen oracle because Material is cursed
fallen oracle
It never started happening until like IJ 2020.2, I think they changed how they started handling them or something.
autumn magnet
oh yeah true chew
but how do i get something from the index then
like
I'm confused, what are you suggesting I do
how else would I get a random element from the array @mighty storm
autumn magnet
oh the i in my loop right
mighty storm
you might end up with duplicates
autumn magnet
why
mighty storm
Say you have 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
shuffle it, 7,2,3,4,9,1,5,6,10
if you get 5 random ones
you might get say 7 twice
since youre not doing any original.remove or anything
autumn magnet
Is this where I would use a WeakHashMap?
What kind of map doesn't allow duplicates
or list i guess
ran 10 processes
no duplicates on any of em
i guess that's because i'm shuffling them
so they're always random
mighty storm
maybe im confused idk
crystal compass
oi does anybody know the name of that plugin that limits hopper places per chunk
lean kiln
theres probably multiple plugins which do that
crystal compass
someone dropped it here awhile ago, there are tons that do too much other shit though
ill just get diggin
lean kiln
any generic block limiter plugin will probably do
I know mobfarmmanager has the functionality but is paid, there probably are free plugins
found that searching this discord
cunning raft
any gradle shadow nerds know how to switch it to like a whitelist mode
so it only shadows depends i explicitly tell it to
instead of fucking everything
(or how I can just use shadow's relocate feature without using the entire shadowJar task)
autumn magnet
I like the logical thinking problems this site gives you
It's probably an easy problem to anyone here but that took me a decent amount of time to think about :3
I was doing it wrong because I was reading it wrong most of the time
Yeah I only just learned about it like 30 minutes ago
But I'm having good fun
I'm hoping when I get into college I have enough experience to impress my professor lol
lean kiln
jroy if its shading everything into the final jar your dependencies are probably declared in the wrong scope
autumn magnet
I still have some years to go
cunning raft
@lean kiln yo what does that mean in english
shadowjar is literally shoving everything up my ass
lean kiln
like what paper api and shit
cunning raft
is implementation/api wrong
autumn magnet
This one is gonna be fun to do. lol
potent fossil
i thought it was the other way around
lean kiln
nah
potent fossil
compileOnly then
cunning raft
but uh @lean kiln does compileOnly have the transitive properties of api?
autumn magnet
actually this looks so simple
lean kiln
not certain but I don't think so
api won't be shaded but will be required by things depending on you
implementation should be for what you want shaded
cunning raft
hmm let me give this a try
autumn magnet
yeah that was simple
some of these problems seem so complicated put into words but are simple logic
but i guess that's why these are called the warmups huh
ancient bolt
newer version of gradle have apiCompileOnly
which tells modules which depend on the library to also pull in that dep as compileOnly
ancient bolt
since i just hopped in this convo can you TL;DR me on your problem
cunning raft
shadowJar shoves fucking everything into my jar file
cunning raft
i don't want anything but paperlib
ancient bolt
that's easy
cunning raft
if i could just use shadow's relocation that would be nice and i can make my own depend shader
ancient bolt
nah you're overcomplicating this
create a new configuration
let's call it shadow for fun
are you using groovy gradle or kotlin gradle
cunning raft
groovy
ancient bolt
create a new configuration just for shadow
configurations {
shadow
implementation.extendsFrom(shadow)
}
define your dep on paperlib with shadow:
dependencies {
shadow("paper.lib.version")
}
tell shadow to shade only that configuration:
shadowJar {
configurations = [project.configurations.shadow]
}
and tell shadow to relocate everything:
task relocateShadowJar(type: ConfigureShadowRelocation) {
target = tasks.shadowJar
}
tasks.shadowJar.dependsOn tasks.relocateShadowJar
ezpz
cunning raft
what task would i use to build, shadowJar?
ancient bolt
sure
can do tasks.build.dependsOn tasks.shadowJar if you want to just use build
that's the lazy way
there's a more correct way that I'd have to look up
more correct way is to add the shadowjar output to the project's list of artifacts that it builds. will automatically add the build dependency for you and some other things that don't really matter for what you're doing probably. This is how I do it though
artifacts {
archives shadowJar
}
visual musk
ancient bolt
oh yeah you'll need import com.github.jengelman.gradle.plugins.shadow.tasks.ConfigureShadowRelocation
cunning raft
o
cunning raft
i thought it was "everything is imported all the time"
don't ask me why i thought this
upper flicker
why did you think this?
ancient bolt
I'll instead ask you how you think that could possibly work
I assume you thought that because gradle does import a ton of packages by default for you
but that's gradle doing you a solid, not groovy
grand pewter
just import *
cunning raft
yeah yeah actually thinking about it I have no idea how that would work
grand pewter
runs
limpid comet
I've got a Java question
cunning raft
I've got a java answer
ancient bolt
do you though?
upper flicker
definitely doesnt have a groovy answer
cunning raft
^
limpid comet
class Parent {
private String string
public Parent(String string) {
this.string = string;
}
}
//
class Child extends Parent {
public Child() {
super("test");
}
public void childFunc() {
/* How do I access string from Parent? */
/* 1. I can use public, but I don't to give methods the ability to modify string */
/* 2. I can use a getter and setter, but this feels kind of "hacky" to me. */
/* Is there a better way to do this? */
}
}
oh
cunning raft
well child doesn't have a superclass
limpid comet
I forgot to extend it
cunning raft
you could make string protected and you should have access
upper flicker
children dont get access to private fields
limpid comet
hmm, protected
upper flicker
limpid comet
Perfect
ancient bolt
final Field field = this.getClass().getSuperClass().getDeclaredField("string");
field.setAccessible(true);
final String string = (String) field.get(this);
that looks terrifying
cunning raft
lul
limpid comet
isn't that illegal reflective access
cunning raft
no
limpid comet
oh
okay
I thought Java 14 removed the ability to do that or something
idk /shrug
limpid comet
Yeah I think I'm just stupid lol
idk I'm not great with the complicated Java stuff yet
upper flicker
there are some undefined cases, and even explicitly defined as not working, in reflection that still worked
that they're tightening up on
limpid comet
ahhhh right
upper flicker
stuff that's well defined like reflection in general and just setAccessible, etc is still fine
also still stuff that probably shouldnt work that works
bar any security manager anyway
cunning raft
thanks @ancient bolt that worked :p
haven't done too much complex gradle shit so thanks for the help
cunning raft
demon i stg
lament patio
Hmm .. So the bug with shipwrecks and maps causing lags is marked as fixed
I wonder if that'll come to 1.16.4
cunning raft
paperd wen
ancient bolt
paperd when I get around to feeling like working on it lmao
there's some bug in a syscall somewhere I gotta fix
limpid comet
what's a paperd
ancient bolt
and don't get me started on the rgb text bullshit
upper flicker
limpid comet
yeah, I just found that. Looks pog
cunning raft
it is
limpid comet
Could be useful for hosting one-off survival servers for my friends
slim nymph
@lament patio re 1.16.4 the only thing known to be in 1.16.4 is my ticket: https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-199487?jql=project %3D MC AND fixVersion %3D "Future Version - 1.16%2B" - which means its a no change update for Paper users, as this is fixed in Paper
lament patio
Oh, I see they separated 1.17+ from 1.16+ now, hm
grand pewter
not sure i've seen "Very Important" on a mc bug before lol
although I don't spend my time looking through Jira
slim nymph
damn cyberpunk is sure hyping up nicely
slim nymph
https://youtu.be/Do51eJowSyg?t=1015 oh boy these guns look fun
mental meadow
I'm excited for watch dogs
untold copper
how do i get rid of those
lean kiln
using a chat plugin
limpid comet
what's wrong with essX chat?
lean kiln
The discord for essentials suport is MOSS #community-guilds
limpid comet
you can just change the format in the config
limpid comet
yeah check out MOSS
limpid comet
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
potent fossil
this is the picture on my english assignment re: logical fallacies
example of ad hominem 
https://owo.whats-th.is/5su4MYy.png
swift root
potent fossil
?
potent fossil
teal egret
Does anyone have very old builds of CraftBukkit or the official minecraft server?
I am talking, the days before beta 1.2
(that's how old of a jar I was able to find)
teal egret
I am looking to create a compatibility layer that lets new clients join old servers
and I need to test against something
kinda like viaversion but proxy based and letting you join beta/alpha servers
cosmic raft
good luck with that
teal egret
I currently have these server jars
cosmic raft
neat
teal egret
so yeah, I think wiki.vg actually does have most of the alpha protocol documented too, but the issue is that I don't have a jar to test against
cosmic raft
well, good luck! if you look hard enough you will find what you seek
I can't share what I have directly.
teal egret
okay
novel horizon
Saving oversized chunk [-2, -4] (3003866 bytes} to external file ./world_the_end/DIM1/region/c.-2.-4.mcc
π€
novel horizon
My server is lagging immediately after start, weird, what has happened yesterday π€
potent fossil
yeah your world got corrupted
if it's just that one message, then it's one bad chunk
you can try to run region fixer
novel horizon
End is not that much of a problem, I'll look at that
mental meadow
Also #paper-help
novel horizon
I wasn't asking for help, was just saying, np ^^
potent fossil
if you dont really care, just delete that file. whatever is in that chunk will be obliterated though.
potent fossil
and im sure you know but the -2 and -4 refer to X and Z
multiply by 16 and you have actual coords
novel horizon
don't worry ^^
potent fossil
so it should be the chunk at -32 x and -64 z i believe
novel horizon
Sure, the thing is I want to know what's there, if somebody may have tried to do something on purpose and such
potent fossil
could be, all you can do is see, but if you can load it then whelp
fuck it
cant*
novel horizon
Yeah, maybe dynmap has rendered what's there
potent fossil
anyway yea, i guess further discussion would be paper-help. but i think that's all you need anyway
novel horizon
I wish there was MCedit for new versions or so sometimes
weird π€ #paper-help if snowballs have to do something with that
limpid comet
Finally
my lobby selector works lol
had to change so many things but now its done
novel horizon
nice:)
winter charm
wait are there authentication servers?
novel horizon
Billy or someone don't forget about the projectiles ^^ to not save them all on the disk in the files or something, some kind of fix would be nice, although, it's not that common problem, still
limpid comet
I'm really enjoying learning Docker
Historically, I would work on a project, but I wouldn't come back to improve it when I learned more about whatever framework/api/lang/etc I was using
but since I'm doing all this stuff for my server, it's kinda forcing me to. So it's really cool coming back to a piece of code and improving it (out of necessity or just want)
potent fossil
\o/
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@potent fossil uwu
potent fossil
uwu @minor badge
ok yall how in god's name can these fucking dumbasses be in 2nd year english
they can hardly write
like dear god
potent fossil
english 101 is for the 'freshman' who can't write, that's the class that teaches you how to write
the one im in is about argumentation methods and etc
some of my classmates in here are like... so fucking stupid
their writing lacks basic grammar and they're using internet abbreviations
and it's just like, holy fuck it's embarrassing
minor badge
yep sounds like an avg educational institution to me
vestal jasper
Holy shit bourbon in vanilla root beer floats
Actually good combo
@minor badge uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
potent fossil
uwu
mental meadow
uwu
quasi valley
vestal jasper
@quasi valley uwu
limber knotBOT
Caused by: org.flywaydb.core.api.FlywayException: Validate failed:
Migration checksum mismatch for migration version 1.0.0
-> Applied to database : 27870036
-> Resolved locally : 1625264186
why does this always break?
vernal moth
Also, good job dum bot
minor badge
@vestal jasper uwu yes
vestal jasper
UwU
vernal moth
I mean
That pronunciation makes so much sense tho
I lay out my docker container using kuber nets!
topaz rose
what is a good way to add money to minecraft? (I am using paper 1.16.3)
zealous knot
i don't know what your paper version has to do with money, just sell ranks like everybody else lol
marble lark
Hey guys so I just decompiled the Vanilla 1.16.3 Server and applied the Mojang mappings, now how do I recompile the server and have it work afterwards? (I'm doing this as an experiment)
golden gust
GLHF
marble lark
I mean I figured someone would know how
cunning raft
iirc use mini's toothpick
golden gust
Well. 1) you need to get a working classpath 2) you need to fix every decompiler issue
cunning raft
or whatever he calls it now
marble lark
- you need to get a working classpath
Oh good lord no
golden gust
Well, I guess 1 is mute as you kinda have all the needed classes
marble lark
oh
golden gust
just, more decompiler issues to fix, however
marble lark
decompiler issues like wrong variable names? My guess anyway
marble lark
stuff like this makes me wonder how Paper and Spigot manage to do it and even change the packaging entirely and it still works ._.
golden gust
We fix those decompile issues
marble lark
bad casts, missing method bodies, etc
Wouldn't that not compile in the first place?
or do you mean the decompiler made an error
cedar spade
shorter answer: by writing lots of their own patches/tooling
golden gust
decompiler
golden gust
The decompiler mangles it
forgeflower does a better job than fernflower/spigots fork
marble lark
I'm surprised I thought Java would be relatively easier to decompile more accurately
compared to say C++
golden gust
It's not, because you have stuff like generics, etc, to deal with, as well as optimization hell
Well, it is
marble lark
forgeflower does a better job than fernflower/spigots fork
No idea what any of those are
I used Fabric's decompiler lmao
cunning raft
No idea what any of those are
then you're going to have a tough time recompiling mc source lmao
there should be projects on github which will do this stuff for you tho
golden gust
MCP
marble lark
all the newer MCP didn't work for me kek
cunning raft
i think i've seen repos made just for this cat
marble lark
I pity whoever needed to write the tools for that
golden gust
most of the tooling is just for mapping stuff
The process /really/ ain't that complex in the scheme of things
marble lark
a lot of the Server's variables are \u2603 tf
golden gust
the fernflower forks are more just to improve stuff like generics, etc
marble lark
all the variables in the Vanilla server are \u2603 what in the actual
marble lark
huh I thought the obfuscation was stuff like auo or whatnot?
I already ran the source through the mappings more than once didn't work
golden gust
Well, yea, but the obfuscators can use unicode
That's just your decompiler mapping the unicode chars to escape sequences
golden gust
bytecode permits stuff that java itself doesn't
marble lark
ah I see
golden gust
e.g. bytecode doesn't care if you have two methods called a with the same params and different return types
vernal moth
Lmao
Maybe slightly nsfw || https://internetofdon.gs/qiui-chastity-cage/ ||
I love the internet
mental meadow
Lol
mental meadow
Kinda reminds me of that open source Buttplug software
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no, fabric uses a fork of fernflower im fairly sure
cunning raft
isn't enigma the viewer thing?
limber knotBOT
fabricflower is worse than forgeflower
cedar spade
forbricflower when
quasi valley
pinaplflower wen
cunning raft
tomorrow
fallen oracle
Morning friends!
cedar spade
TIL pineapple plants form hundreds of flowers in one spot, which in turn create individual fruits, which then join together into the fruit we eat
Afternoon Glare
fallen oracle
π
wet smelt
Hey friends, how does the Xeon Gold 6140 compare to the EPYC 7702 when it comes to minecraft servers?
The Xeon got higher clock speed, but the "single thread rating" (whatever that is) is higher for the EPYC.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-Gold-6140-vs-AMD-EPYC-7702P/3132vs3555
void void
what does papermc use for their website? because essentialx uses it to and i like the style
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void void
ty
mighty storm
why not ask essentials what they use 
mental meadow
bc essentials
mighty storm
oh look who it is!
void void
well i liked papermc's i like found out essential used the same like 5 seconds ago when i looked up essentialsx and clicked there website LOL
cedar spade
EssentialsX and Paper do not use the same framework for their websites
limpid comet
EssX = vue something or other iirc
cedar spade
EssX uses Vue for interactive stuff and Bulma for CSS
limber knotBOT
Zoidberg, silence c-h-e-w
frickers
best i can do sorry mini
poor mini
!quiet c-h-e-w
mighty storm
oops
limber knotBOT
!unquiet c-h-e-w
cedar spade
Paper uses Materialize
limber knotBOT
smh
Discord bots: "sorry, you can mute yourself" β dumb, very bad
IRC bots: actually do what you want β
fuck around and actually find out
cosmic raft
hallo
mossy vessel
heyo 
minor badge
helo
wet smelt
hewo
mental meadow
haii
zealous wedge
uwu
mental meadow
β€οΈ
next frost
uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
autumn magnet
What keyboards do you guys use?
I have a Blackwidow Ultimate but I've owned it for a few years now and am really in due for an upgrade
mental meadow
corsair k68
toxic bone
mental meadow
how dare you
autumn magnet
What's hangar?
quasi valley
:checkthepins:
autumn magnet
The pins are the second thing I check when I join a server after the rules
The pins don't mention hangar
autumn magnet
What hangar channel
mental meadow
autumn magnet
Wait what the fuck?
This just opened a section I've never seen on this Discord
I didn't even know all these channels were here
mental meadow
trollcord
autumn magnet
Wdym?
vernal bone
How can I connect to irc?
vernal bone
Yes.
autumn magnet
It's #paper on irc.spi.gt
or yeah it's on both
Either or
You download an IRC client like Hexchat or weechat
And just connect with the IP
Then use /join #paper in the main thingy
vernal bone
Thanks!
zealous wedge
chew made a working bridge :p
autumn magnet
Hey @vernal moth, quick question
zealous wedge
try to keep your pings and questions in the same message please
it gives nicer notifications
autumn magnet
nvm
autumn magnet
I think the question got too long and off-topic, lol
It was like 3 paragraphs
Did you want to see it?
quasi valley
wide chasm
It all depends on how long the paragraphs themselves were π
quasi valley
maded
autumn magnet
Yeah I feel uncomfortable sharing it here
People like darkeyedragon knenytv and stefvanschie are watching
wide chasm
stares at channel
autumn magnet
He looks like the type of guy that can keep a secret
limpid comet
Oh hey, its stefvanschie. I didn't know you were a part of Paper
Thanks for making IF :)
wide chasm
You're welcome
limpid comet
Would you accept a PR that adds support to BaseComponent[] for UI names?
Considering forking to add this functionality for my own purposes, I'm happy to PR it over if you wish
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uhh @cosmic raft do we accept basecomponent PRs rn? with the addition of adventure in mind?
cosmic raft
@minor badge ideally no, but it depends - ping me for anything that touches that stuff
wide chasm
I think that would be fine, although I'm not certain which components are supported for inventory titles, so some may lose their functionality and would only be the normal text.
minor badge
sure
limpid comet
Yeah, it's mainly for RGB usage
mental meadow
oof cant run 1.15.2 on Java 15
minor badge
you can with some system param
limpid comet
I'll do some testing
mental meadow
you know which proxi?
minor badge
nop
next frost
huh why does it break?
golden gust
probably because netty
zealous wedge
there's something at startup that kills it with "unsupported java version"
golden gust
Oh, yea, i forgot about that
golden gust
CB, we add a system property to disable it
zealous wedge
yeah it's a stupid check
md5 π€ weird version checks that break forwards compatibility
golden gust
it was added a while back when there was a java release which borked stuff
It's kinda dumb, kinda, "don't pester us with stupid issues"
zealous wedge
was it java 9 or sth?
zealous wedge
ah thanks project jigsaw
latent valve
@worn ember dota tonight?
vernal moth
@twin lagoon, how is that FOSS minecraft multithreading sharing server thingy called again?
ah found it, nvm
pseudo solstice
is the paper api for writing plugins the same as the paper server jar?
vernal moth
no, as the server jar also contains the server, additionally to the api π
pseudo solstice
ok
vernal moth
but yes, if you don't use build tools like maven or gradle, you could use the server jar to add it to your build path
pseudo solstice
and it should come with the spigot and bukkit api's too?
vernal moth
but be careful, what you download on our website isn't the server jar, its paperclip, the actual server jar is in your cache folder
pseudo solstice
well i found the paper api on the paper website and i was wondering if it was the same as the server jar
vernal moth
right, paper expands the spigot and bukkit api, so everything is there, just, improved, sometimes with better javadocs, or extended by a bunch of new small and big additions
pseudo solstice
ok\
limber knotBOT
it's always easier to just use a dependency management system over doing anything manually
pseudo solstice
yeah
but honestly idk how intellij broke so bad
i couldn't even do normal java, let alone api stuff
limpid comet
ugh, my school just contacted me informing me that I "missed all of my law classes" and saying they've sent me multiple emails
I was never enrolled, never sent any emails, and none of the online sites show me enrolled
void arch
Guys do you think it's possible to host at home by having bungeecord hosted to a VPS with 1 Gbps internet?
void void
uwu
vernal moth
It will be a terrible experience for your players
pseudo thistle
So your hosting bungeecord/waterfall proxy on a vps? Then having the actual servers at home?
vernal moth
Since you increase the latency by like 100%
pseudo thistle
^
void arch
Even if the VPS is near me?
void arch
because i would like to host the servers myself but my internet connection is only 1000 in down and 200 in up
do you think it would be ok?
void void
how the boy is typeing?
stiff yarrow
that's plenty
void void
bot
void arch
or do you need 1 gbps up and down for 300 / 400 players on?
limber knotBOT
ro-bots
void void
@wheat quarry
cedar spade
ro-boys
stiff yarrow
depends more on your hardware than anything else
void arch
hardware is a i9 9900k
twin lagoon
you'd definitely ideally want 1gbps up and down for 400 players
stiff yarrow
@twin lagoon has that been measured, 200 mbps seems like it would be plenty
how much bandwidth does 1 player connection consume
twin lagoon
modern versions eat bandwidth
let me get stats of how much our proxies are taking
sec
stiff yarrow
still, how much? is it known
twin lagoon
errrrr
stiff yarrow
I want to know the stats if you have them
twin lagoon
https://owo.whats-th.is/4gMeFtG.png actually
not as bad as i thought it would be
you'd definitely want 250/250 though
limber knotBOT
really depends on how much your players are moving and loading new chunks and what their contents are
also how much you compress it
marble lark
right, paper expands the spigot and bukkit api, so everything is there, just, improved, sometimes with better javadocs, or extended by a bunch of new small and big additions
improvements might be an understatement xd
limber knotBOT
e.g. if you plan on having 100 players log in/switch to a server at the same time then you need a good connection
stiff yarrow
@twin lagoon how many players for that measurement, just wondering
void arch
yea my question was like if you host bungecoord in a vps with a very good internet
stiff yarrow
damn that is more than I thought it would be
void arch
could you like take off the "weight" from your internet?
stiff yarrow
you can write the details of it to either github issues, or my email if you want, but I don't do DMs for support and this isn't the place to talk about it 
twin lagoon
and yeah bandwidth usage is a lot higher in modern versions
if you look at the total bandwidth usage per month it's a bit more than you'd expect probably
i think i calculated it to be 1tb per 200 players
with data from various servers
worn ember
@latent valve maybe
worn ember
me: googles grafana
my entire ad space: GRAFANAAAAA
left swift
2020 Kia sorento
slim nymph
embrace the grafana
limber knotBOT
munin is enough for me π
twin lagoon
embrace kibana
limber knotBOT
lmao my CPU temp jumped by 10 degrees because some program decided to always 100% one core :S
limber knotBOT
give it to me π
sly ruin
limber knotBOT
at home?
cobalt surge
Or you could just give it to me
quasi valley
send a pigeon carrier
autumn magnet
Whatβs your address
limber knotBOT
::1
autumn magnet
Iβm coming
cobalt surge
My address is the one I live at
waxen panther
autumn magnet
I got $80 in 20s a $10 a $5 and 5 ones
waxen panther
$1 notes exist?
waxen panther
Red
limpid comet
blackjack
autumn magnet
Whatβs red
limpid comet
roulette
cobalt surge
Yes @waxen panther those still get around..
waxen panther
I wish we had one pound notes 
autumn magnet
@waxen panther Itβs bill not note
I live in us
Yeah thereβs even 2 dollar bills
@twin lagoon Do you live in the US or UK?
winter dune
hey is it possible to run fabric mods on a paper server?
twin lagoon
no
winter dune
ok thanks
waxen panther
Idk we call them notes here
autumn magnet
Yeah I think bills and notes are diff and
worn ember
gambling in a childrens game
worn ember
the average iq is higher here thats for sure
limpid comet
some nights its zero
void void
yo is it possible to make iron golems attack creepers?
green turret
Have you tried to be persuasive?
void void
My apologies sire, my mentor has just recently taught me persuasive writing, but I haven't been able to properly use any of its elements or more precisely its functions and syntax yet.
heady spear
hi mule how r u
green turret
Hi City! I am alright. Got stabbed in the throat today. With a cotton swab.
Had a delicious burger!
How about you?
void void
What happened?
Your incredible, don't feel down!
Your github projects are always fascinating and interesting to look at.
quasi valley
city is a very interesting character
zealous wedge
have you tried dropping out?
zealous wedge
ya who studies anyways
heady spear
uni can suck my left nut tbh it's boring and gross
I am starting a course in leadership in like a month, am gonna become a dictator :3
heady spear
ew no thx
mossy vessel
Imagine being scared of uni
zealous wedge
though like get out of uni while you still can
zealous wedge
I got my degree... and now they're giving me money to go back and do things
heady spear
i believe in u, u suck and stuff but sometimes u do good things or something so yay u
oh no
wrong ping
twin lagoon
though that was kneny
heady spear
loool
zealous wedge
lol
heady spear
sorry rando
twin lagoon
kennithtv
mossy vessel
kennith
twin lagoon
knennith
zealous wedge
knenith
heady spear
hahahh
twin lagoon
Knenithwald Television
mossy vessel
Hallo weebstret
heady spear
dum discord autocompletion smh
Actually, I need to finish this stupid integrated system assignment
zealous wedge
eww
heady spear
but it's awful D: I don't care about schedulability
I also need to write movie reviews for my astrophysics class
and analyze this book about nazi cats
o well can do that some other month or year or so
@mossy vessel can u like pay me to like be pretty n stuff so I can drop out? :3
mossy vessel
I can pay you for not being rude to me anymore
mossy vessel
void void
Just wondering how did you guys get started programming / learning Java? Was it by reading a book or? What sparked your interest, and how did you learn Java specifically?
void void
Incredible, I expected nothing less from a wizard.
wide chasm
I needed a plugin, so I made a shitty plugin. Over time, they became slightly less shitty.
heady spear
they did?
void void
Really? So you started with plugins, instead of learning Java first?
wide chasm
Yes, I did
mossy vessel
I kinda needed it back in 2014-15 when I started a network and everything sucked ass so I fixed shit myself
wide chasm
Also, City, your dumb
void void
hmm, it seems like many people have started making plugins first, instead of learning Java, but they always ask you to learn Java first π€
wide chasm
Because we don't want others to make their first plugin as shitty as we did
When I say shitty I really mean abhorrent
void void
I guess learning Java first will solve you a lot of headaches in the future when making spigot plugins.
heady spear
I learned Java first
void void
Hmm, how did you learn?
heady spear
Though before that I messed around with C++ for WoW emulation
void void
Was it by reading books, taking a course?
heady spear
YouTube, reading documentation and a lot of trial and error
mossy vessel
I started with Java but moved to Kotlin pretty soon for private projects, so nobody can yell at me
heady spear
best way to learn is to do, which is why starting with plugins isn't even that bad of an idea
unless you then try to sell your code immediately lol
void void
hmm, a lot of people don't recommend watching videos or youtube.
heady spear
π€·ββοΈ people learn differently. I watched thenewboston some ~8 years ago
heady spear
dunno
golden gust
There are a handful of YT'ers who know what they're talking about and can teach, but, heavily it's a case of "if you can't do, teach"
heady spear
I had to spend a decent amount of time unlearning bad shit I learned from him tho
but bucky was great lol
wide chasm
I personally wouldn't recommend thenewboston tbh, although I must admit I have watched him for some time as well.
meager tusk
you shouldn't recommend him because his videos are outdated
void void
old but gold
heady spear
Honestly, just figure out the way you learn the best. Some people learn from reading books, I don't find programming books to be particularly useful but some people do
meager tusk
language specific programming tutorials generally age like milk
heady spear
Then again, I learned assembly from a book and that wasn't entirely bad
void void
hmm I asked a couple paper here already like simple, and they said they strongly disliked videos as a source of learning, but it's nice to know that videos are good as well
heady spear
when I wanna learn a new language I try to find a good project to work on and then I learn as I go
void void
I guess books teach you very well in the syntax and when to use it which is important.
wide chasm
I mean, I have yet to find a decent Assembly tutorial anywhere online, so a book would kinda be a necessity I suppose
meager tusk
it's stupid to gatekeep learning
mossy vessel
City, how can you read books about those stuff?? I don't even read books for uni
golden gust
The issue with videos is that they'll never teach you from the top
twin lagoon
@meager tusk 
meager tusk
just search and find what you're most comfortable with and go off there
.
Got to work.
heady spear
Also there's a huge difference between learning your first language, and an additional language
twin lagoon
your plugin works perfectly 
meager tusk
...
golden gust
So, you end up with a fair chunk of people who can string a plugin together, but really have half a clue of what they're doing and trip up at simple OOP principles like working with other objects, etc
heady spear
once you know the basics, it's a hell of a lot easier to learn a new language π€·ββοΈ
void void
hmm, do you guys not read books when you learned Java? If watching videos isn't that good, how do you learn then?
meager tusk
...because Kevin rewrote it all? 
twin lagoon
yes
twin lagoon
golden gust
Then they have to go figure out how to learn the basics, and now they're fucked coz they get fed up of starting from the top as they know enough to be bored in 2 seconds, but, not enough to move past the basics
heady spear
then again, I was 12 when I started learning java
wide chasm
I never learned Java - I started making plugins and then started figuring out Java from there.
heady spear
wasn't really interested in reading programming books back then, I just wanted to make dumb games
golden gust
personally, I already has a fundimental understanding of OOP, I have no idea how, it just sorta came naturally
then it was just a case of waiting until I was mentally mature enough to actually sit down and start messing around
wide chasm
I mean, maybe the plugins wouldn't be that bad if I wasn't watching TheBcBroz
meager tusk
worn ember
hello dum kitty 
twin lagoon
i followed thenewbostons java calculator tutorial
heady spear
I think I learned python from some guide on their website and then Derek Banas's "python programming" video lol
twin lagoon
that was the peak of my java career
golden gust
Then again, I've been told a few times I should consider getting tested for ass burgers
twin lagoon
meager tusk
heady spear
o and C from a book & uni lectures ;3
meager tusk
I dislike Derek Banas
golden gust
uni lectures?
Is that where you show up with your laptop and do personal projects coz you're bored?
meager tusk
I think he's good for like refreshing on stuff if you already know the language and haven't used it in a while but
heady spear
kinda ye
worn ember
i wasted 3 hours getting access to a database today, company bureaucracy is fun
heady spear
I already knew c++ so those lectures weren't very interesting
wide chasm
Assembly was the most interesting at uni so far, but also the most painful, so I don't know if I should be happy about it
heady spear
he also said that passing a pointer was pass-by-reference which is bs and then I stopped listening :3
stiff yarrow
Then again, I've been told a few times I should consider getting tested for ass burgers
@golden gust I've had this mentioned rarely to me, turns out instead of autism I'm just horribly traumatized
heady spear
what language did u learn stef?
worn ember
english
golden gust
the sweet language of yo mama
wide chasm
For Assembly? Assembly x86_64 AT&T I think
golden gust
Turns out that it's nothing more than banging a drum with chicken wings
worn ember
you know whats fun? When your lecturer tells you do an assignment online and then continues to breath down the mic the entirety of it
heady spear
using an awful swing-based emulator =))
wide chasm
I'd like to think that all Assembly is gross tbh, but I can see why that one would be a bit more gross
Alright, it just got ten times grosser