general

[heady spear]

Also the fact that there are no other plot plugins is exactly why we should charge for it, regarding what you said before

[sand vale]

me?

[fallen oracle]

I mean that's easy profit

[heady spear]

I don't really care about the money. Although, I could use it

[fallen oracle]

How soon do you plan to make the change? Are you doing a new plugin page?

[sand vale]

honestly, it'd do two things... give the devs some $$ annnnnd cause competition

[limber knot]

See

[sand vale]

hopefully by someone who can code better than jesse >_<

[limber knot]

I believe brining money into it makes it worse

[heady spear]

We're rewriting the flag system, implementing a bunch of old suggestions, fixing up a bunch of dumb API components etc

[sand vale]

wel yeah, if it were a single person, much better idea... splitting funds is gonna wreck things

[heady spear]

so it's getting a big overhaul before

[sand vale]

add plot layers, call it PlotCubed

nods

[heady spear]

We've split donations just fine over the last couple of years x] Hell, people also forget that PlotSquared was a thing even before Jesse joined the project

[sand vale]

I thought jesse was the originator

_<

[heady spear]

He did take some interesting creative liberties with the code, some of them we could have done without

[sand vale]

he acted like it when I first had any dealings with PS

[heady spear]

I created PlotSquared as a plotme fork

to make sure the server didn't crash when using /plot clear

[sand vale]

_<

[heady spear]

then people started using it, and jesse joined the project

[sand vale]

I want a much simpler plot management system :S

[heady spear]

I kinda did steal a bit of code from plotme and I was too dumb to understand licenses

[latent valve]

https://media.tenor.com/images/eb898df2430cd496dee788e09a59b96a/tenor.gif

[heady spear]

so I got banned from bukkit lol

[sand vale]

but yeah, PlotMe... for whom the sourcecode is mia

[heady spear]

that's why everything is posted under his name. Or well, was.

Then we created the I-S team account, to which we later transferred FAWE and some PlotSquared addons.

[latent valve]

City a skidder

[heady spear]

Also, Ae, if you know how to compile the project yourself then it will still be free

so nothing really changes

[sand vale]

lol

I can't make gradle do shiiite

[heady spear]

The new flag system is nice

[sand vale]

Maven, however, likes me much

[heady spear]

it'll make things so much easier to deal with

[fallen oracle]

It's actually a really nice system. In one of my discords, we have a system setup to allow users to connect their discord to their SpigotMC account and they get roles based on if they are a buyer or not of different resources.

[sand vale]

Glare... Guilds, or Party and Friends? I can't remember which of my plugins you write...

[heady spear]

That's my main concern, I guess we'll just award roles manually lol

[void void]

Guilds.

[heady spear]

not a lot of people will buy the plugin so it doesn't matter

our user base is already dying lol

[fallen oracle]

I do Guilds, VoteParty, and PlaceholderAPI

[heady spear]

https://bstats.org/plugin/bukkit/PlotSquared/1404
I mean this is just sad

[fallen oracle]

Well those would be the ones you know.

[sand vale]

ok.

who the hell's bright idea was /daddy

[heady spear]

lol the outrage over that was hilarious

clip is such a moron

[fallen oracle]

That was the result of a drunk night in voice chat with clip.

[sand vale]

lol

[fallen oracle]

Yes people really did take it too seriously.

[sand vale]

it's still on my server >_<

[void void]

lol

[heady spear]

I had a christian PAPI fork

[fallen oracle]

We still offer it via the daddy expansion.

[sand vale]

LOL

[fallen oracle]

PAPI3 tho is going to be 🔥

[sand vale]

from time to time, one of my players will be "What the hell!? Why is there a /daddy!?"

[fallen oracle]

😂😂

[heady spear]

update the plugin thennnn

[sand vale]

that causes me much amusement

nooooooo

lol

besides it's not broke, so ain't fixin it

[void void]

kisses glare

[sand vale]

hell the only reason I updated PS was cause I was helping support user

[fallen oracle]

You probabaly should update to the latest version since we do a bunch of performance improvements and fixes. You can keep it by downloading the daddy expansion.

[heady spear]

I'm thinking of switching to papi on my server

[fallen oracle]

From?

[sand vale]

I'll update when I build my next server

[heady spear]

our placeholders are annoying to deal with

We only run custom shit rn, besides WE. But I'm switching to FAWE soon enough, lol

[sand vale]

is FAWE actually stable?

[heady spear]

It's getting there

[fallen oracle]

Ahh, yeah PAPI makes it super easy to handle.

1. Creating placeholders for your plugin for other plugins to use
2. Adding support for all placeholders in your config stuff

[heady spear]

I only use WE for schematics, and I paste them myself because they're user phased

[sand vale]

I quit using it when my admin pasted a buid... which didn't paste where she was, rather pasted as 2-3 layers across the entirty of my spawn region

[heady spear]

It's taken a while to recover from jesse leaving*

[sand vale]

he was constantly breaking things :(

fixing things, but breaking other things :S

[fallen oracle]

PAPI3 is going to be pretty cool and a lot more advanced. For starters, it'll be multi-platform.

[sand vale]

BUT AT LEAST IT FUNCTIONED! lol.

so, I can use it in my bash scripts Glare?

[fallen oracle]

Uh idk

[heady spear]

I don't like his development process but at least he didn't let PlotSquared die

[sand vale]

awwwwe :(

[fallen oracle]

We're starting with Bukkit, Sponge, Nukkit.

[sand vale]

True City

[void void]

Glare and Clip finally learning abstraction

Cuties

[heady spear]

lol Glare, we're taking the opposite approach

[fallen oracle]

Then over time we'll add Bungee and Velocity.

[sand vale]

focusing just on spigaper

[heady spear]

we've dropped both sponge and nukkit support

[fallen oracle]

Ahh

[heady spear]

It's not worth the time

[sand vale]

I do miss IS :(

[fallen oracle]

If it works out like we plan, we have some generic objects that'll cover everything.

[heady spear]

I've also dropped support for versions prior to 1.13 lol

[sand vale]

but I miss IS like it was 2 months ago :S

[fallen oracle]

Luckily PAPI is more lightweight so we don't have to worry too much.

[heady spear]

but I mean, PAPI doesn't have that much platform specific code

[fallen oracle]

Exactly

[void void]

i taught glare all he knows about generic objects

[heady spear]

I'm only going to support the lastest version of paper when it comes to PlotSquared

[fallen oracle]

You assume I learned anything

[heady spear]

when 1.16 is released we'll probably drop 1.13 support

[void void]

[fallen oracle]

We were able to support 1.7-1.15.2 just by shading in Gson

[sand vale]

know what would be fantastic?

the paper api ported to forge

[heady spear]

sex?

[sand vale]

like, properly

[heady spear]

o

[sand vale]

not sponge

[heady spear]

that's already a thing tho

[void void]

wtf why

[heady spear]

there are paperxforge servers

like that catserver thing

and then the other one that isn't entirely in Chinese

[fallen oracle]

I was just about to say that

I learned about that in a very interesting way

[heady spear]

I saw catserver in our bstats and I thought it was some weird fork aesix was running

[sand vale]

linked on a hentai page?

_<

[heady spear]

fucking minecats dude

[sand vale]

LOL City. The name did peek my interest

My wife named it a year before she met me :P

[fallen oracle]

Nah, someone posted one of my projects on mcbbs and claimed it was tested via catserver and worked fine so people were buying it then coming to me saying it doesn't work and I'm just like "what the fuck is a cat server?"

[heady spear]

mcbbs is weird

plotsquared is on there and the thread is popping

[void void]

plz mcbbs is fine, it's just china's mc site bc most everything else is blocked

[heady spear]

The Chinese community is bigger than you'd think

[void void]

speaking of china im so fucking glad im not having a layover there this year

that firewall is no shit :D

[heady spear]

It's weird in the sense that it's basically an alternate universe

You never interact with these people but there they are

[void void]

they interact with each other

lets all learn mandarin and go on to mcbbs and wreak havoc

[heady spear]

I took mandarin for a year in high school

[limber knot]

I had to help my sister get past the firewall when she was a night in China at an airport 😂

[void void]

i just make sure i have my vpn ready

but i shouldnt /require/ it for japan. ill have it anyway

but yea

even spigot is blocked in china

[heady spear]

uh mcbbs doesn't let me copy paste shit

mean

[void void]

yea me neither

[sand vale]

I downloaded a plugin from mcbbs once.

about 6 years ago

completely wrecked the server

[heady spear]

https://www.mcbbs.net/thread-573771-1-1.html
107 pages

[fallen oracle]

I didn't know you actually downloaded stuff there

It just links to my Spigot pages

[void void]

they link to spigot, but spigot is blocked in china

so they have to upload to baidu pan

which is similar to google drive

[quasi valley]

I’ve also gotten some plugins uploaded there by someone with more discussion than my own on spigot 😂

They did ask me if they could upload it... but only after they already did, so 🐋

[granite salmon]

Why is spigot blocked

[quasi valley]

cuz china

[void void]

idk

china

[fallen oracle]

Weird, I still get a lot of Chinese users.

[granite salmon]

i mean same but they probably all got vpns or smth

[void void]

#paper-help

[fallen oracle]

That's fair

[desert siren]

opssss

[potent warren]

Is there some kind of git expert that could explain me the patch system that craftbukkit/spigot/paper uses? Like, how they take an initial source code and then are able to generate patch files at will will modifications. And how would I go about in creating something like that

[woven otter]

isn't that just a diff?

[potent warren]

it seems to have some weird system behind it

[woven otter]

just a script? It's based on commits

[void void]

ive had this in my bookmarks for so long. https://www.devroom.io/2009/10/26/how-to-create-and-apply-a-patch-with-git/

paper's scripts are complex because it's a big project

just doing the patches isnt hard.

[left swift]

This is probably dumb to ask but could you use that to make changes to a server and be able to revert changes and post update logs

[void void]

what

plz dont tell me you have your server as a git repo

[left swift]

No

[left swift]

I've never used git idk was just wondering

[void void]

i mean fuck, i guess? but it wouldnt be very useful. each patch has the literal file modifications

[limber knot]

Yes git allows you to make change and be able to revert changes and have an update log

It's literally what it was build for

It's a version control system

[void void]

for a minecraft server...

[limber knot]

Git doesn't care

[void void]

i never fucking said it did

[left swift]

Lol

[void void]

i said it was retarded to do it with an mc server

unless you're gonna use LFS but

[limber knot]

Mmmh?

Just don't add jars and the world to git

[void void]

lmao.

ok

have fun with that!

[limber knot]

We do have dyescape stuff in git, lol

How else you gonna manage configs and stuff?

[fallen oracle]

People still use configs?

[mental oriole]

9gag frog xD

Sorry, just wanted to see if I’d be banned

[limber knot]

Wanna be banned?

Ping wiz

[latent valve]

give wiz some love and he might spare your life

else 💥 kick or ban

wiz bruHHHHH

[left swift]

[mental oriole]

lmao

Nice pin

[static badge]

amen

[pastel skiff]

whats a good uhc plugin?

[left swift]

.g uhc plugin spigot

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/uhccore-automated-uhc-for-minecraft-1-8-8-1-15.47572/ -- UhcCore | Automated UHC for minecraft [1.8.8 - 1.15] |...: "UHC-Core is a free Bukkit plugin for 1.8 - 1.15 It allows you to automate Ultra ... Auto restart feature (spigot) and bungee-support to send players..."

[uneven sage]

does paper mess with mob cap?

[void void]

Paper should change its name to MinecraftGoogle

[left swift]

U guys think Mojang is going to change how bed explosions work in the nether on 1.16 update? They are double the explosion of tnt with little cost and can be used to find the new ore quicker apparently.

[unreal quarry]

lol, but you have to sleep in them

so thats a lot of dying for ores

[left swift]

There are ways to prevent dying by them though isn't there

[mental oriole]

Welcome @west shore

[west shore]

Ty ;)

[celest coyote]

Yes paper messes with mob cap you are welcome

[limber knot]

Oh hey Mindcrack is doing another UHC

[void void]

i swear to god, just about all the tech youtubers do the same shit

first mark rober: im WITH BILL GATES!!!

2 days later

mkbhd

IM WITH BILL GATES

[mental oriole]

Why the ||h*ck|| is everyone on this server occasionally a bot? I am so confused.

[void void]

who's next?

[limber knot]

robot uprising

[mental oriole]

I’m scared.

[limber knot]

you should be

[left swift]

Double censor

[limber knot]

i can kick you

[serene bolt]

you know what else is bill gates? our sponsor -

[limber knot]

you should be very scared DeleteMetaInf

[mental oriole]

[sweats profusely]

[limber knot]

imagine not being a bot

[void void]

i can phase shift betwee being a bot and not being a bot

[limber knot]

now i am

[left swift]

Sweets profusely

[void void]

now im not

[mental oriole]

Everyone on Discord is a bot except me D:

[left swift]

Lool

[potent warren]

DeleteMetaInf it means they're using IRC 👀

[void void]

wiz kick him

[mental oriole]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/348vlx/what_bot_accounts_on_reddit_should_people_know/

[potent warren]

wat

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) What bot accounts on reddit should people know about? : AskReddit - 33,096 comments, 60,563 points - Dualmilion, 4y ago

[left swift]

Is irc a new division of the U.S. space force?

[potent warren]

wat no

[mental oriole]

Irc = if recall correctly

duh

[left swift]

Intergalactic recon core

[void void]

funny you say that. irc was actually originally used (and still is used) for military discussion

on govt irc servers ofc

[potent warren]

Internet Relay Chat

bruh

[left swift]

Wow nick

[mental oriole]

whashwhosh

[void void]

just like tor was developed by the us navy

they release shit like that

[left swift]

Pretty ngl

[void void]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/SXMkZO57gHWRk0lvV23fSAp5HWA=/0x31:721x512/920x613/filters:focal(0x31:721x512):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/1419807/tc-chat-rooms.png

when radio is not a viable option, IRC

[serene bolt]

why don't I see any messages that say "my server is lag can u check my timings?" in that screenshot

[left swift]

I don't see anyone talking about combat updates either

[serene bolt]

1.8 is better n00b

[left swift]

Lol

[void void]

if anyone wants to read about it have at it https://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/

[left swift]

I wouldve thought they use discord

/s

[serene bolt]

Trump: take em out, now, do it

[left swift]

He doesn't have the right discord role to take them out

It isn't in the rules tab

[void void]

i mean honestly it is highly efficient

say you want a ship to attack a target they're blockading or whatever

the username to chat would be <SHIPNAME><DEPT><OFFICERTYPE>

then type your order

get a "c"

(confirmed)

done

lul

instead of radio this that and the other guy

i think i saw them on a stream

good thing i dont play MC, i just write code for it

[unreal quarry]

So you only play with huge ones?

[void void]

just get ready for everyone to lose their shit over the time it takes spigot and paper to update

those are my favorite times ever

huge /s

[limber knot]

yea i get to kick lots of people

[serene bolt]

I personally love when you get the one guy who comes in and complains about losing players and money and ruining his "business" because paper isn't updated

[void void]

oh yes

he's #1

bukkit is dead.

spigot updates bukkit and spigot

and then paper can update

spigot does, spigot maintains bukkit

but you should not use it

spigot is built on top of it

they have to maintain bukkit for that reason

spigot is just patches on top of bukkit

no, legal

that whole shitshow has been devised by spigot's lawyers

of which, i am not one

[pastel skiff]

Is there a plugin that makes every block drop random?

[void void]

so dont ask me why

wut, like

[pastel skiff]

items

[void void]

break grass

and get diamond sword?

lmao

[pastel skiff]

like grass drop stone etc

[serene bolt]

there's data packs that randomize the loot tables for everything like that, dunno about plugins

[void void]

why would you ever...

[pastel skiff]

A gamemode

[void void]

lmao.

idk

doesnt seem hard to do just sounds straight up rarted

so idk if anyone has made one

you'll have to hire somebody

[pastel skiff]

Just makes it harder

yh lol

[left swift]

Useless

[serene bolt]

they refactored a bunch of stuff and decided that technical blocks shouldn't be able to become item stacks. pretty sure it was just more of a side effect of things they were changing

[void void]

i started keto 2 weeks ago and lost 10lbs so far and 4 inches off my waist

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-gif-11131653

hmm with the nether update, it seems like it's now a pretty viable place to build a house

besides no bed

well, dont really need one. there's no day/night

[serene bolt]

yeah i imagine a lot of people will start living there

[left swift]

I really really enjoy the new sounds blocks have in the nether

So good

[serene bolt]

the new nether is so atmospheric, feels so different compared to all the other content they've been adding

[left swift]

My idea was just to have the wither a boss room in nether fortresses and have the stars as loot after you kill it

[void void]

i wouldnt mind an atmosphere update to the entire game really, kinda like that old mod Matmos or whatever.

wind sounds, wildlife, water running

they were working on it afaik

or are

yea, afaik it's planned

new dimension

'sky dimension'

not sure it'll be called 'aether'

.g minecraft sky dimension plans

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_mentioned_features/Sky_dimension -- Java Edition mentioned features/Sky dimension – Official...: "The Sky Dimension was a planned dimension in Minecraft, intended to be the ... The Sky Dimension was first announced when Notch tweeted a picture of..."

[left swift]

Is aether mod still maintained

Lol

[void void]

that's old as hell

oh i remember why ppl were saying that

aether author got hired by mojang

so they thought perhaps that was a clue

iirc it's not actually confirmed or denied

[left swift]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/the-aether-ii

Cool

Make one

Sure

Why not

Doesn't stop people from making things

[void void]

its really as simple as making a world with a custom worldgen and then adding features to it

[left swift]

Use it as a tool to learn

Go for it the sky's ur oyster

[void void]

eh, actually it is with the forge api

they make it not hard

or whatever everyone else is using now

what's that thing

starts with C

no

[left swift]

Lol

[void void]

it's some new modloader everyone is loving

what fak is it omfg

[left swift]

Curse

[void void]

no

kashike

what is that new mod api everyone is losign their shit over

the C thing

maybe its not c

[pulsar wigeon]

wtf are you on about

fabric?

[void void]

FABRIC

IT'S F

NOT C

[pulsar wigeon]

it's not that new and no one is losing their shit over it

[void void]

o i thought ppl were

i dont do client dev ok

[pulsar wigeon]

only u

no one cares about your client hacks

why the fuck do people always say "chill" like i'm personally attacking them

[granite salmon]

All i wanted to do was test wurst vs an anticheat then i realise it has this stupid fabric thing like wtf how much more do i have to install

[pulsar wigeon]

i'm just saying no one gives a shit about your client hacks

[void void]

because they're scared of you wiz

chill, ok

[granite salmon]

not like it’s a good client, anyway

[void void]

im fucking pissed

https://f.jacob.engineer/W1Gxcs.png

blaze pizza can go fuck itself now

[serene bolt]

fellowkids marketing

[void void]

yea, that's annoying in itself

but how dare they be out of ingredients

[merry talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/f3ricx/what_technology_are_you_shocked_has_not_advanced/fhlw5p0?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[lunar valve]

who is papermc blank

[void void]

wdym

[true canyon]

why the fuck do people always say "chill" like i'm personally attacking them
Chill! I feel so attacked!

[golden gust]

bruh

chill

[cosmic raft]

kashike feels so attacked.

[golden gust]

CHILL U FUQ

I mean, hai

[jaunty elbow]

🧊

[void void]

the piglin bartering looks extremely bad based on this ilmango video im seeing

just gives u junk items lol

it takes one HOUR to get 13.8 quartz from a single piglin :/

atleast i hope i can easily edit piglin items for a server make them drop 'unique' items instead

atleast hoglin do knockback like i suspected but even better would be if they rammed/charged into players

[clear chasm]

Is the 1.15.2 build stable if I am not running it with alot of players ... I heard it wasn't stable

[left swift]

[void void]

i would think so

christ, node has my losing my FUCKING mind

"node-sass not found"

yarn install node-sass sass-loader

yarn dev

[left swift]

1.15.2 is stable yes

[void void]

NODE SASS NOT FOUND

WHAT THE FUCK

[golden gust]

.rekt

[limber knot]

☑ Rekt750

[clear chasm]

Perfect

[void void]

i saw captainsparklez try to do 150 players on 1.15.2 and it lagged like hell, but probably cos he didnt even pre-generate the world

[left swift]

Lots of reasons why 150 players would lag on 1.15.2

Lots

[clear chasm]

Im migrating a vanialla server we finally have a friend with hardware

Vanilla*

What does paper do to lower lag is it multi threaded I wouldn't think so since I think Java is limited to one core or something ... Its been years so I may be wrong I don't know

[golden gust]

so since I think Java is limited to one core

no

The server uses multiple threads, just the main tick loop is on a single thread

[void void]

thats kind of hard to understand for non devs, catto

y does my task manager sometimes say 50% memory but its obviously much less if i add up the memory of each process 🤔

[golden gust]

free ram = wasted ram

The OS uses free ram for IO buffers, etc

[void void]

ok sounds good cos i was bit worried

[clear chasm]

Thanks 🙂

[olive garden]

fun fact: text input field GUI elements are always editable if they are displayed in Minecraft, they can't be disabled like eg. buttons can

not so fun for me

[merry talon]

while true; set text

[limber knot]

If you are writing a mod, just add disabled inputs?

[olive garden]

but I'm lazy, complaining on random Discord servers is easier

[blissful reef]

any plugin to possess mobs like in dreams vid?

[void void]

wut? lol..

[blissful reef]

Well I was doing research after I saw this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kk53fXRpKI&t=482s and for the life of me I couldn't fine a suitable replacement. I wanted to ask here since really this is the only place I know that has people who know about plugins

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Minecraft, But The Mobs Are Controlled By A Player... - length 33m 3s - 136,224 likes, 2,835 dislikes (98.0%) - 3,310,830 views - Dream on 2020.02.06

[void void]

so the mobs are players??

[blissful reef]

you assume a mob yeah

[void void]

yes it's called a disguise plugin.

libsdisguises is one.

[blissful reef]

hmm, does it give you their abilities?

[void void]

no but Billy's Purpur server lets you do that i think.

or, find a dev to add it to libs disguises

which is more than likely what dream did

[blissful reef]

thanks so much, ill check it out

[void void]

Purpur is not well documented

But in any case, it's possible

[twin lagoon]

dreams plugins are available for patrons

it is just libsdisguises

with some added stuff to do dragon breath, enderman tp etc

[blissful reef]

oh so libs can do the basic mob abilities? like creeper exploding, spider climbing, etc.

[twin lagoon]

no

that has to be added by your own plugin

[blissful reef]

hm, maybe i can code it in, its been years since i touched any kind of IDE though

[void void]

if you are not completely tech illiterate, ill recommend purpur

it's not impossible to set up, it's just definitely not for noobs

oh you know what nvm im stupid

purpur just lets you ride all the mobs

not become them

ignore me

[golden gust]

I do that anyways

[void void]

dw i ignore u 2

[golden gust]

I was gonna look at leafs PR

Well, I said I was gonna have a quick look at it

My conclusion is that I'll look at it later :L

[void void]

Billy.

its his personal fork

[static badge]

billy will be slower than paper

[void void]

hes as fast as he wants to be.

it is...

[static badge]

presuming you're talking about an mc update

[void void]

but, it's not like

as supported as paper

[static badge]

as he needs to wait for paper to update

[void void]

he just does it when he gets time

and yes, see leafs comments

?

because they just dont update?

[olive garden]

because the 1.13 update is hard

[void void]

those are not forks at all, they're their own projects

refer to trigary's comment.

that update was def not an easy one

mc literally got recoded

between .12 and .13

hundreds of thousands of lines

the sheer amount of work is valid reason to say "oh fuck this"

are you a programmer

if not you've no room to comment :D

[woven otter]

well mc might've been recoded but was it for the better or worse

[void void]

quiet before i filet you alive

[woven otter]

Ur the biggest issue with 1.14

[void void]

honestly duck aint far off

the users are far worse than any of the bugs

FAR worse

[latent valve]

1.14 work just fineeeeeeeeeeeeee with 0 player who said 1.14 is ass?

^^

[void void]

i had 1.14 running just fine for 20-30 players, 20tps

its my belief, users are just fucking retards

no matter the software

that's correct.

the OPTIMIZATION GUIDE

[latent valve]

Mhhm

[void void]

recommends....

• pillager limiter, villager optimiser, farm limiter

and a shitton of settings

nobody fucking listened to

and just cried

so

[void void]

it's yalls fault

i have no pity

[proper tundra]

Is there a repository/dependency for PaperSpigot 1.8.8?

[limber knot]

@proper tundra [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[void void]

https://github.com/papermc/paper

its right on the repo

oh

for 1.8 lmfao

[proper tundra]

yes I want 1.8.8

[void void]

support in the repo stops at 1.9.4 so no

download the jar and import it manually

[latent valve]

[void void]

https://papermc.io/legacy bottom of the page take special notice to the text above the download button.

[proper tundra]

kk

[woven otter]

1.8

[void void]

hes developing for it

[vestal jasper]

So he's an enabler. Even worse.

[void void]

k

[latent valve]

Running 1.8 prob pvp ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden gust]

1.8.8 is still in the repo, just, different package ID

Basically, RTFM for that version, it's all on the github

[void void]

oh well

that mf gone, dont help him

:)

[woven otter]

it stinks

[void void]

u stinks

[limber knot]

u stink

wow

[woven otter]

no it's u

[limber knot]

nah, smells like rotten duck

[woven otter]

smells like upsidedown kenny

[limber knot]

yeah it's a nice smell

[woven otter]

definitely smells bad

[latent valve]

.8ball do duck smell like shit?

[limber knot]

shakes the magic 8 ball... Maybe...

[latent valve]

maybe

[woven otter]

.8ball is MrEGirl lacking braincells?

[limber knot]

shakes the magic 8 ball... You know the answer better than I

[latent valve]

[limber knot]

ur both dum

[woven otter]

ur the dum one

[limber knot]

ur a duck

[woven otter]

ur a kenny

the worst kind

[latent valve]

[woven otter]

no u no uu'ed

[heady spear]

messenger supports latex

[woven otter]

that's surprising

[heady spear]

It's actually pretty cool

doesn't work on mobile tho

[limber knot]

I cannot express how much I fucking hate latex

[heady spear]

I use latex for everything :p I take my notes in latex nowadays too because easier

[latent valve]

This type of latex? City?
https://media.tenor.com/images/74c49e7ee7092ac43523cb530e6edfc0/tenor.gif

😂

[limber knot]

hm might also be due to the person that taught us being the worst didactics prof ever to be seen on earth

so he literally just gave us a 10 page pdf of info, and another 2 page pdf to recreate. without tips, without his own answer, without correction 🐋

and was like "now I taught you how to use latex!"

[latent valve]

😂

[limber knot]

had to get a proper book from a friend to even to the task he provided us

do*

[heady spear]

We had to self learn it for an assignment, then I started taking my notes in it and eventually I started feeling comfortable using it

[woven otter]

do you take notes on a laptop

[heady spear]

I generally don't take notes during the actual lecture, I just write down examples etc

then I write them on my computer at home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IaLp5rvdmTIHS4uyF0QiVSEdE90TEqDe/view?usp=sharing
like this

[topaz mortar]

I did an optional course for LaTeX. It was like Kenny's but not that bad experienced.
It was a good and easy alternative to get credit points.

[heady spear]

We're expected to write all assignments in latex

[woven otter]

that's pretty neat city

[heady spear]

and the thesis work kinda has to be produced in latex

Plus, you can make diagrams and shit using code 😛

[golden gust]

Ngl, I do kinda wanna learn more of LaTeX

[topaz mortar]

Jep, that's super cool I know.

[golden gust]

using it for my report stuff because like...

having to use word blows

[heady spear]

There's definitely a learning curve, and then you have to get used to the libraries etc

but once you get used to it, it's wayyyyy faster than word

[golden gust]

Yea, that's the headache inducer

It's a really nice system

It's just getting up to grips with it and all the quirks

[topaz mortar]

Having fun the next semester writing 10 sites IEEE (double column). LaTeX itself is fun, the content is the bad thing.

[heady spear]

double column in latex is a pain in the ass if you want to include any sort of figures

because they'll jump all over the place :p

[golden gust]

ur a pain in the ass

[heady spear]

I sure can be

[topaz mortar]

Not really. Had no problems with it.

[heady spear]

We write most of our reports in double column, but latex has a tendency to ignore placement of tables, etc

you can work around it, but it gets pretty annoying at times

[topaz mortar]

That's why you should reference your figures in text.

Sometimes a [ht] or a [H] works as well.

If I remember the chars correctly

[heady spear]

Sometimes, yeah, that's the thing 😛

looks cool when it works tho

I mean, it's still a lot better than doing it in word

[topaz mortar]

Jep

[heady spear]

and if you use appendices properly etc, then you're not going to run into problems. We had weird restrictions tho

Alsooooo references in latex are fucking amazing

I had to write a paper in Word this summer and getting the bibliography to not be fucking dumb was uh... interesting

[golden gust]

For me, I just love how lightweight the editors are

and git support

[topaz mortar]

Yes. I love my bib files. Zotero rules.

[golden gust]

and just, in general, muuuch nicer to work with

bib files are :3

[heady spear]

yeah no, it's definitely worth learning

[limber knot]

that's prolly the 2 top reasons for using latex at all: bibliography and easy text formatting/quotations

for me*

[topaz mortar]

I have a really good "IDE" for LaTeX. TexPad makes my life so much easier when using LaTeX.

[golden gust]

Yea, that's what I'm using right now

There are some good free ones, but, macOS love is macOS love

[heady spear]

I think I used to use texstudio or whatever it's called, but now I only use overleaf

we had group projects where we needed to edit the same document and overleaf was fucking amazing for that, so then I just continued using it

[limber knot]

I use TeXMaker, tho I only had to write like 10 pages until now

[heady spear]

Plus, you know, the cloud

[topaz mortar]

Bought TexPad some years ago on AppStore. Now it got an update there and I don't have to use the official workaround.

[golden gust]

I looked at overleaf, but was kinda concerned about getting started with it and hitting some limitation with it or something

[heady spear]

there are no document limitations, you're just limited to 1 collaborator

[topaz mortar]

Overleaf does take a while on large documents but you can cooperate live.

[heady spear]

and you don't get full document history, github sync etc

I have the student plan because uh... github 😛

[limber knot]

oh that includes it?

nice

[heady spear]

No, but I needed to sync with github

so then I started paying for it. Also, full document history is dope.

I haven't found overleaf to be particularly slow either, at least when you divide chapters into separate documents etc

[topaz mortar]

If you're used to live typesetting, is is slow.

[golden gust]

live typesetting is nice, but, at the same part, I find that that often disappears pretty fast from texpad :L

[heady spear]

Oh yeah, I suppose. I like to write a big chunk and then compile, so I haven't really noticed that

[topaz mortar]

Cat they are extending live typesetting support to more and more document types.

I think article is the one that is fully supported.

[void void]

i prefer bogosort, city

best case O(n)

||average case O((n+1)!)||

[woven otter]

bigotsort

[topaz mortar]

For memes I prefer sleepSort.

It is O(n)

[pastel skiff]

It's nice when you self host so you can just assign 64gb ram for world edit purposes only

[woven otter]

weird flex but ok

[limber knot]

one question, sir

why

[pastel skiff]

Keeps crashing when I'm pasting shcematic

[pastel skiff]

Crashed again

[limber knot]

yea I don't think ram will help there xb

[pastel skiff]

Helped last time lol

[limber knot]

disable the watchdog and just let it paste for a while

[pastel skiff]

I can paste one shcematic

oaky

Thats it

I forgot what it was

Thnx

[woven otter]

use fawe

[pastel skiff]

Migrating to bungee so long

Shuld have just done bungee in the first place

[limber knot]

duck, use awe

[woven otter]

be upside down

that's equally bad

[limber knot]

wow upsidedownist

[mental oriole]

There are plenty. I prefer Matrix. https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/matrix-anticheat-advanced-cheat-detection-1-8-1-12-1-13-1-14-1-15.64635/

[dry flare]

oh

i though i should ask this question in #paper-help 🙂

[limber knot]

good ol' NoCheatPlus also works: https://github.com/xaw3ep/NoCheatPlus/ ;)

[latent valve]

^^^^

NCP work best imo

[mental oriole]

I’d go with Matrix, personally.

[dry flare]

i'm new to build a server. May i ask how to apply plugin ? I'm not sure is put the plugin.jar in plugins folder under world folder the correct way?

[limber knot]

no, you put the plugin file into the plugins folder that is in the server's root folder, not inside the world folder

[mental oriole]

You put the plugin JAR file in plugins.

server\plugins

There’s no plugins folder in the world folder.

[dry flare]

so

the plugins folder should at the same directory as server.jar?

[limber knot]

yes, it will automatically get created on server startup

[latent valve]

Phoenix how fast u typing 🤦‍♀️

[limber knot]

fast?

[dry flare]

okay thanks a lot

[limber knot]

wait, I should've said "I don't type, I am a bot" ;_;

[latent valve]

[mental oriole]

I don’t know what you just said, but I’m gonna have to say yes.

[limber knot]

.g atkin's algorithm

(phoenix616) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Atkin -- Sieve of Atkin - Wikipedia: "The algorithm: Create a results list, filled with 2, 3, and 5. Create a sieve list with an entry for each positive integer; all entries of this..."

[mental oriole]

@cyan cloak Henlo

[cyan cloak]

hi

[mortal zinc]

is fawe really that bad?

because i loved it back when i had a minecraft community

[worn ember]

👀

[woven otter]

rart

ping wiz and ask him. he knows best

[mortal zinc]

well you seemed to have some opinion about it, what do you think about it?

[worn ember]

[left swift]

He's a duck

[mortal zinc]

sorry, i don't understand your picture language

i was just asking for an opinion

[worn ember]

i dont use it so idk

[mortal zinc]

not you, the duck lol

first a leaf now a duck lol

apparently the leaf is now frozen water

[left swift]

Impossible

[pastel skiff]

Got this issue with hub basics where it keeps giving me another compass everytime I join

[worn ember]

ok

[woven otter]

@mortal zinc what are you even asking 🤔

[void void]

how do i get cows to spawn

[mortal zinc]

i'm asking why is fawe not worth using?

is it to do with how it works async?

[latent valve]

cuz it 🚮

[woven otter]

don't think it's that bad

[left swift]

Search keyword fawe in the discord and read

[mortal zinc]

alright

[limber knot]

FAWE can lead to some world corruption if you are unlucky due to how hacky it's implemented

[left swift]

Bunch of people have said stuff about it

[limber knot]

it also tends to not stay in sync with the upstream WE api which is quite annoying

[mortal zinc]

so i'm searching for it and see phoenix' message and thought that was an old result, turns out he just said it... lmao

i see

[worn ember]

my knee hurts

[mortal zinc]

so Jesse left the project huh

any reason for that?

[limber knot]

who tf is jesse?

[mortal zinc]

sorry, his name is boyd001

[left swift]

Idk, this is papermc

[mortal zinc]

yes

[limber knot]

is that the dude who originally created that mess of a project? if so, good.

[mortal zinc]

boy0001, not boyd001

[left swift]

Sounds like a 90s rock band name

[limber knot]

boyX was the following decade

[cosmic raft]

curiious

people with mechanical keyboards: what switches do you use?

[limber knot]

Quality German cherry switches of course

Browns, both at work and at home

[worn ember]

german and quality in the same sentence

[twin lagoon]

kailh box reds

[limber knot]

I've got greens on this keyboard, MiniDigger - thinking of getting a new keyboard and getting different ones

[twin lagoon]

razer

[limber knot]

Yeah I hated razers switches

[twin lagoon]

just go for a ducky / filco / varmilo board w/ cherry mx reds or browns

[limber knot]

I had a blackwiddow

It sucked

I got a old Corsair k95 now (before all the Platinum gamer bullshit was added)

[twin lagoon]

old corsair keycaps are great

er, the styling

even cheap chinese keycaps are thicker & made out of better plastic than corsair keycaps

kashike, i'd just go to the nearest electronics store and try some keyboards out

i would just recommend going for linear switches since there's not much of a noticable tactility / difference between browns and reds

[limber knot]

I know what I want, just stuck between switches :P

greens on my current keyboard

[twin lagoon]

what would you want then?

[worn ember]

bruh its a keyboard, not a freaking submarine

[twin lagoon]

when it's something you use daily for multiple hours a day

[limber knot]

debating between browns, blacks

[twin lagoon]

i would like something that types nice

[worn ember]

i've got a $20 keyboard with french azerty (im not even french) and i've been using it for over 5 years now lmao

still types fine

[limber knot]

that's nice

[twin lagoon]

have you ever tried a mechanical keyboard?

[limber knot]

:P

[twin lagoon]

it's a night and day difference imo

[limber knot]

definitely

[worn ember]

isnt every keyboard mechanical lmao, unless you're using touch ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin lagoon]

no

[limber knot]

Don't even need to spend much on a mechanical one

My work one did cost 70 euro

[twin lagoon]

an 80 eur mechanical keyboard is plenty for most users

[limber knot]

Hyperx alloy or smth, can recommend

[worn ember]

it might be mechanical, cba to figure out what that even means

[limber knot]

You don't have a rubber Membran under your keys

But actual springs

[twin lagoon]

a 20 eur keyboard isn't going to be mechanical

so you can really just rule that out from the start

[worn ember]

lemme pull one out

[twin lagoon]

kashike, personally i'd go for the blacks

[limber knot]

kashike red(low profile)/blue/brown switches. The red is my daily since it’s more portable

[twin lagoon]

but blacks are hard to get

since most mainstream keyboards would only offer red blue or browns

[limber knot]

blacks are easy to get lol

Aren’t blacks the same force as blues?

[twin lagoon]

are you US?

[limber knot]

every keyboard I've looked at has them as an option

[worn ember]

just go to the black market

[limber knot]

Just not clicky

[twin lagoon]

if you're in the US they're probably easier to come by

[limber knot]

Just import them then

[cosmic raft]

it's called online shopping

everything is available

[limber knot]

^

[twin lagoon]

well obviously everything is available

but i wouldn't pay $100 more to import something

[cosmic raft]

I wouldn't be :p

I'm playing with colours right now

[limber knot]

Michael lives in a country where you can't get everything unless you import ^^

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/gUt2Rkg.png

[limber knot]

Getting blacks here isn't a problem either

[twin lagoon]

is that WASD keyboards?

[cosmic raft]

yup

[twin lagoon]

have you taken a look at mechanicalkeyboards.com?

[cosmic raft]

not yet

[worn ember]

yuck

[twin lagoon]

Michael lives in a country where you can't get everything unless you import ^^
it's true for keyboards though here

like

[worn ember]

thats one ugly purple

[twin lagoon]

near impossible to get blacks that are in stock & considered mainstream enough to get sold at a regular electronicsshop

while i could go visit a webshop located in germany or belgium that has more choice

e.g. candykeys.com or mykeyboard.eu

[cosmic raft]

@worn ember trying to find nice colours

I want a neat design this time

not just black

[twin lagoon]

you should take a look at keycap sets

[worn ember]

Getting blacks here isn't a problem either -Minidigger

[twin lagoon]

kek

[cosmic raft]

link me @twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

uhh

sec

https://pimpmykeyboard.com/

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=40

from china: https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps

http://shop.tai-hao.com/

[woven otter]

#justiceformagma

[twin lagoon]

also i said it's easier to come by in the US, but it just is

there's a lot more keyboard vendors / shops in the US

doesn't stop you from buying from those shops when you live in the EU, but the import fees, taxes and shipping is way too much sometimes

[worn ember]

#justiceforlava

[cosmic raft]

hard to colour this like I want :P

[twin lagoon]

wasdkeyboards is the only site that allows you to create your own keycap sets

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/ZO8jkrx.png

less purple now

[worn ember]

whats with the random chars?

[cosmic raft]

random

[worn ember]

seems pretty random

i mean the secundairy chars lol

[twin lagoon]

that's either japanese or chinese

isn't it

[cosmic raft]

neither

[twin lagoon]

korean?

[cosmic raft]

there you go

[twin lagoon]

close enough

[cosmic raft]

like I said:

random

[woven otter]

minecraft enchantement symbols?

[wide chasm]

lol

[twin lagoon]

[cosmic raft]

I currently have this keyboard: https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/gmmk-full-brown-switch

[twin lagoon]

oh nice i had one of those too

w/ kailh box white switches

[cosmic raft]

mine is gateron greens, as I mentioned

[twin lagoon]

o gateron greens?

though you referred to razer greens

lmao

[cosmic raft]

razer

[twin lagoon]

if you like tactility, should try Zealios switches

think WASD offers them too

[worn ember]

[cosmic raft]

@worn ember is the colour better now? :P

[worn ember]

i dont see anything?

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/ZO8jkrx.png

[worn ember]

not a fan of purple with black at all tbh

but you do you

[twin lagoon]

[worn ember]

[cosmic raft]

ooh that's pretty

[cosmic raft]

do want

[twin lagoon]

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4000098782679.html

PBT plastic aswell

[worn ember]

plastic

[twin lagoon]

@cosmic raft how about white & purple?

[limber knot]

Honestly just want QMK Working on my keyboard

QMK?

[twin lagoon]

opensource keyboard firmware

[limber knot]

@twin lagoon it hurts the eyes

[twin lagoon]

i've got QMK on my 1uphse

haven't played around with it yet though

but will have to so i can replicate the tap arrow keys feature on my current 60%

[limber knot]

Yep, I want it so I can load Dvorak and QWERTY on the keyboard

[twin lagoon]

mhm dvorak

kinda want to learn it but on the other hand

only way to type dvorak would be at home

[cosmic raft]

yeah

[limber knot]

it isn’t that hard

[cosmic raft]

every other keyboard around is qwerty

[twin lagoon]

and it would be quite annoying to learn it

i'd probably be slower typing dvorak than qwerty

[limber knot]

For a month yea

on average anyways

[twin lagoon]

meh i type fast enough on qwerty

[limber knot]

its not so much speed but fatigue

[twin lagoon]

i don't think i've ever experienced fatigue after typing for a long period of time

[limber knot]

Dvorak is a lot more comfortable

I’ve considered getting an ergodox

[twin lagoon]

idk about ergonomical keyboards

i don't like the way they look and i don't think i would be comfortable typing on those either

[limber knot]

You can use dvorak with a qwerty keyboard too

[twin lagoon]

i know

[limber knot]

Language setting in Windows I think?

[twin lagoon]

windows

[limber knot]

never use windows

but kashike brought Up usability on other PCs

[twin lagoon]

yeah but you don't have access to language settings sometimes

[limber knot]

That pc wouldn’t be your daily driver then

or work pc. IT will normally change it for you if you ask

IT

[twin lagoon]

meh

i'll just stick to qwerty

[limber knot]

its Not like you forget QWERTY anywho

the one issue I had with Dvorak was keybinds, the defaults are designed for QWERTY

[twin lagoon]

oh right

keybinds would suck

[limber knot]

Colemak is better for that

[cosmic raft]

I should buy a different keyboard and mouse for at work, though

[twin lagoon]

mx master for life

[cosmic raft]

using the ones that came with the desktop itself

logitech

hell fucking no

[twin lagoon]

wtf is wrong with logitech

[limber knot]

I love my Logitech proteus series mouse

[cosmic raft]

The last mouse I got from Logitech stopped working properly when not even a year old

and their support was utter fucking trash

[shell vine]

i got corsair k70 no complaints

[twin lagoon]

that's the first complaint i've ever heard about logitech lol

[limber knot]

same

[cosmic raft]

My corsair mouse is the best thing ever

[worn ember]

my logitech is still going strong after a few years

[twin lagoon]

logitech mice are the best ones there are imo

i have yet to have one break

[limber knot]

ditto

[twin lagoon]

even the cheapest ones

[worn ember]

clicking seems to get a bit wack sometimes tho too much clicking

i got the G502

[cosmic raft]

I told them about the issue I was having

Unfortunately it is not possible for us to send you the replacement was their response, minus case number/etc

[worn ember]

oof

[twin lagoon]

are you not able to just go through your reseller / webshop?

[shell vine]

i went through 2 corsair mice, both had issues with scroll wheel so now i got logitech g pro

[cosmic raft]

This is a couple years ago now

[twin lagoon]

the only time i have had to contact the manufacturer about a support issue