The Kinesis Advantage keyboard I have follows a lot of the same principles I think. Curved key wells that limit the amount of movement your fingers have to make, split into two parts to reduce the "side bend" of the wrists.
#general
green turret
acoustic pilot
ye, dunno which would be more ergonomic in your case
green turret
I also took up bouldering for exercise. I haven't been in 3 weeks due to illness, and I am in a bit of pain now. Going tomorrow though, hopefully I can get back on track. I think more than anything, doing some form of exercise that activates the larger muscle groups and gets the blood flowing is important to staying healthy with long sessions in front of the computer.
I mean, our bodies are generalist. They can do so many different things. Long sessions at a keyboard won't break it, but doing nothing else might.
Definitely take care of yourselves, folks 🙂
Heading home, bye bye bye bye
acoustic pilot
too lazy for that noise
prob should spend less time in front of the computer though 😦
upper flicker
I feel personally attacked
fallen jungle
My life has been first school, then rest of the day on computer for basically last 5 years
and considering I also sit on computer at school for the whole day, I'm basically on a computer all day long
ember crag
I spend 40+h a week on my feet with a concrete floor and a 100 m² work area and still feel like I need more cardio.
olive garden
simple, have you ever made any public resources?
acoustic pilot
are there any modern PVP servers built around the 1.9+ combat mechanics? wondering if people still pvp at all
orchid pelican
Every major server uses the 1.8 style
golden gust
God, discord needs a way to lock channel order
limber knotBOT
how do you even accidentally move channels
acoustic pilot
sticky fingers maybe
limber knotBOT
do you just fall asleep for a second with your finger on the mouse? 😂
golden gust
You know how in MC, when you move the mouse a pixel while clicking?
And, it treats item placement as a drag instead of a click
Dumcord basically does the same thing, only, I tend to click while still moving my mouse
cosmic raft
re-arranges the channels just for cat
limber knotBOT
code and algorithms
(also svg is just xml like html btw ;) so it's even easier to generate than e.g. png)
pulsar wigeon
until you want to draw a path
nothing human readable about M72.75 0h185.958v35H72.75z imo
limber knotBOT
doesn't need to be human readable if it's computer generated :think_smart:
regal zealot
ember crag
All it has to be is a scalable vector graphic. ;)
frank sigil
limber knotBOT
who needs vector graphics when you can just stretch an image to infinity?
who needs graphics when you have ascii
pale river
Cubecraft was built around 1.9 mechanics.
But adding a delay in order to fix knockback issues caused by ping and combos was not the right solution.
You can only tell the casual community that 1.9 increases skill by adding a delay, which punishes you for missing.
Since they ignore the fact that when you miss a hit in 1.8, you loose your combo and the other person has an opportunity to begin their combo.
It's missing a hit and taking a hit VS missing a hit and getting hit four times.
void void
^-^ wat was ur score in uR lAsT cLaSs
limber knotBOT
oh hey
brexit happened
where- cat
hey cat
hey cat you're in the UK aren't you
Me and cat are
he is
cat lives an hour from me
but not in the eu no longer
hey vert and cat
Well hour and a bit
good riddance
bai bai
did you already hump cat?
upper flicker
you're still in the EU until the end of the year
limber knotBOT
Bai you bearded pervert
upper flicker
you just dont get a vote anymore
limber knotBOT
Yup
obliged to its rules but without rights, yum
Did you see they took the flag with them from the hall
upper flicker
yeah I was kinda hoping they'd put it right in a bin in front of those cameras
limber knotBOT
this is what you get for bullying me for years
now you're banned from my continent
magma planned the brexit all along
huff my shorts
if you can get to them, that is
Surprised they that twat jon claud yunker didnt wipe his ass with it
jon
yunker
huh the pound is way cheaper than before
oh an > claud
Woudlnt be difficult
It will go back up again
always does
no I mean
last I was in the uk was around 2014
it was like 1.7 EU
Wait wait wait
it hasn't been anywhere near that since then
you was here in 2014 and you didnt come and see me or cat
well would you come visit me if you visited portugal?
Fuck yea
guess I need that restraining order after alo
all*
heady spear
lel finally done with this dumb assignment
heady spear
Make a web server in C lol
void void
ah
heady spear
which tbf was so much more tedious than doing it in Java. Kvantum was way nicer to work with than this shit
void void
lul
heady spear
(even before I switched to netty)
heady spear
do the what now
void void
like read GET, POST, etc manually char by char
limber knotBOT
did also add SHITPOST ?
void void
i just remember reading an article about some dude who wrote a webserver in C and he did that but idk
heady spear
oh yeah no. So I didn't really care about the headers and whatnot, so I just read everything into a way oversized buffer and skipped 90% of the request
If I hadn't done this before then this assignment would have been hell, I think. People in my class are super upset about it xd
fallen jungle
Knowing me I'd have just gone for raw sockets
Because honestly, the berkeley sockets aren't actually super inconvenient
The biggest inconvenience is that there's still no cross-platform API for those in C
forest heath
ashen cliff
I'll try PS2 when FAWE gets more stable and regularly updated, can't risk another meltdown.
warm mesa
BTH I think it would be better to just contribute back to WorldEdit or FAWE rather than just create CoreEdit which will cause compatibility problems between plugins.
gleaming rivet
Worldedit won't change how it works
it will always freeze the server
no matter what you contributes to it
ashen cliff
CoreEdit sounds nice, but first I want CoreProtect to add the ability TO CLICK THE DAMN CORDS to teleport.
How hard is that to add?
warm mesa
wizjany has expressed interest in changes to speed up WorldEdit. He just doesn't want the terrible code from FAWE in WorldEdit
gleaming rivet
true @ashen cliff
ashen cliff
It's been years, I need to copy them by hands.
pulsar wigeon
regardless, coreedit atm is a a pile of closed source money grabbing garbo until proven otherwise
gleaming rivet
imma shut up then
pulsar wigeon
and while i'd love to be proven otherwise intelli has expressed disinterest in that notion
golden gust
You can't just apply the "not freezing the server stuff" to worldedit without breaking the current API contracts
gleaming rivet
well i don't know the specifics, but just what i've experienced.
golden gust
it would be pretty shitty if all those plugins which rely on pasting schemtics and teleporting players into them after they're pasted got broken because of those changes
gleaming rivet
but a server without Worldedit wouldn't be a server so i'm not hating on it
pulsar wigeon
yea i've said this before but not once in the last 10 years has anyone suggested any roadmap to adding batching in WE
they've always just come up with their own external solutions which inevitably break more shit than they solve
warm mesa
cough Jesse cough
pulsar wigeon
we'd love to break api in another major version release or even add some backwards compatible/sync shims
that's really not the issue
ashen cliff
On a side note, why is MySQL for WG still supported? Why not just kill it?
pulsar wigeon
it is not supported
gleaming rivet
you can still use it tho
ashen cliff
Still implemented*
gleaming rivet
^^
ashen cliff
Hello.
pulsar wigeon
it exists because it's more work to remove than to keep
also because some people apparently still use it atm
ashen cliff
Expected. I'd remove it from the default config tho.
pulsar wigeon
to my utter dismay
ashen cliff
Just so that people don't use it.
pulsar wigeon
maybe, we'd have to remove it from the whole savedefaults thing tho
which means again, more work to remove than to leave
void void
us hist prof is currently teaching german history
ashen cliff
Installs EssentialsXAntiBuild
Why are my permissions broken?
heady spear
at least he tried :/
us: use legacy version
him: doesn't use legacy version
also him: it doesn't work!!! fix!!!
I'm so tired of people asking for help, completely ignoring everything we say and then jumping on spigot to cry about it
why even bother asking for help if you're not going to listen anyway
mossy vessel
??
If I ask for support I expect you to fix my problem and not tell me how to fix it on my own 😠
heady spear
yes when you upload a plugin on spigot you actually make a promise to show up in person and install said plugin
didn't u read the fine print? smh
mossy vessel
No
upper flicker
no one said there was any reading
mossy vessel
There was no video how to do it so I can't receive the information
acoustic pilot
yey, got basic entity pooling working. as long as entity constructors are thread safe, should be fine.
at glance it seems okay
my implementation of this in 1.8 worked good so hoping the same holds true for 1.15
heady spear
hm, what exactly is entity pooling? sounds cool 😛
void void
pooling entities
acoustic pilot
maintains a pool of entity instances rather than creating them on-demand
acoustic pilot
particularly good for servers with lots of spawners
just need to add auto resizing to expand pools automatically based on demand
tulip walrus
warm mesa
Entity pooling sounds awesome. I know of a few people who could benefit from that on their servers.
warm crystal
void void
meh
acoustic pilot
lol, welcome to 2 decades ago
heady spear
int[] nums = new int[] {Integer.parseInt(System.console().readLine()), Integer.parseInt(System.console().readLine())};
System.out.printf("Average = %f\n", Arrays.stream().reduce(0, Integer::sum)/(float) nums.length);
know im off-topic here but I want to show how clean Java code is:
let's say you want to calcuate (sic) the average between 2 integers taken as input, you can do this in 1 or 2 lines of code:
raven sparrow
unreal quarry
Wanna really see how slick Java is?
import java.lang.reflect.Field;
public class Main {
public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
Class cache = Integer.class.getDeclaredClasses()[0];
Field c = cache.getDeclaredField("cache");
c.setAccessible(true);
Integer[] array = (Integer[]) c.get(cache);
array[132] = array[133];
System.out.printf("%d",2 + 2);
}
}
Output is 5
acoustic pilot
Java doesn't compare to Ruby in obscure shit like that 🙂
Ruby has monkey patching too
green turret
Billy go to jail
fierce ferry
undone moon
woven otter
seems like a good way to fuck with people
pulsar wigeon
i mean, Boolean.class.getField("FALSE")/*.setAccessible..modifiers..*/.set(null, true);
modern roost
woven otter
breaking because of latest java versions?
woven otter
urlclassloader people? 
acoustic pilot
they might as well make the method public lol
pulsar wigeon
jigsaw!
upper flicker
so java could stop being this massive monstrosity
acoustic pilot
oh that's different than what i was thinking
pulsar wigeon
smh
acoustic pilot
lol
woven otter
interesting
acoustic pilot
smoke weed everyday
woven otter
you sound like simple
woven otter
I hope you get salmonella then
quasi valley
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Turn that frown upside down ( haha! ) - length 6s - 274 likes, 4 dislikes (98.6%) - 21,737 views - GAMER GURL on 2014.09.06
woven otter
it was emphasis on the fact that it's funny
quasi valley
Yes thanks YouTube title for reminding me to go and haha
woven otter
go haha
olive garden
what does it mean when a concrete number (eg. the number 2) has a horizontal line on top of it? it might be some German notation
it might also be a printer acting weird for all I know
woven otter
_
2
just like that?
olive garden
yeah
green turret
In which context?
olive garden
summe der radien
notice how there is a weird extra space before these weird symbols
heady spear
is that supposed to be sqrt(2)?
it sometimes renders weirdly :]
(hence the spacing before it)
green turret
Everything is rendering weirdly in that image o.O
limber knotBOT
so I'm right now about to do something really stupid
nope never mind I'm bailing out
heady spear
tellllll us
limber knotBOT
I have some why protein that I never really ended up taking when I bought it
but now that I'm getting more serious about working out I'm considering taking it again
except
it's been expired for 3 years
heady spear
ye well so food poisoning is a great way to lose weight if that's what you're after
heady spear
otherwise I'd kinda advice you to not take it
limber knotBOT
I tasted it a bit
it mostly tastes the way I remember it
mostly
tbf though I must've picked the most disgusting taste of them all
heady spear
some protein powders are gross, and some are actually kinda good
the more "natural" they claim to be, the worst they'll taste
pulsar wigeon
are they supposed to taste good?
heady spear
I don't think they're supposed to taste bad, at least.
PEScience is the way to go tbh, hella expensive tho
limber knotBOT
mine must've been excellent because it tasted so bad it damn near made me gag
I'm not even sure I should be taking whey tbh, I have the hardest time digesting it
limber knotBOT
liquid cooling my asscrack
potent warren
Just wondering, how bad is it to extend and subclass an NMS class?
limber knotBOT
alright 10:46 pm guess it's time for bed because I'm a geriatric productive member of society
gnite zoomers
green turret
It's like stealing a Kit Kat from the grocery store.
potent warren
👀
heady spear
there are some situations where you have no other options so it's like... neither good nor bad?
chaotic neutral
green turret
Like you shouldn't do it because why would you, but if you have to do it, steal from the most expensive store because why are they charging so much anyway?
I hope that answers your question.
potent warren
How bad would it be to make an API that easily allows to extend NMS classes by extending an interface and the implementation being provided with bytecode magic?
Kind of like how Mixins does it
green turret
Now you're stealing Snickers
green turret
You're the worst shop lifter
heady spear
ok but like why? what are you trying to accomplish?
don't run around extending nms classes for no reason, that's just weird
potent warren
what are you trying to accomplish?
Not even gonna mention because I know it's unsupported anyway
heady spear
But like, if you're trying to create an NPC library then you kinda have to
potent warren
nope, not NPCs
heady spear
also don't do that because it's hell and you'll be miserable whenever a new minecraft version is released
potent warren
What I'm trying to do requires the cooperation of a client mod.
heady spear
a lot of shit is unsupported
green turret
I'd say lawful evil
potent warren
Almost anything NMS related is unsupported.
heady spear
but you're speaking in terms of hypotheticals so it's kinda impossible to give you any reasonable answers 😛
potent warren
But I'm actually talking about something actually unsupported.
olive garden
welcome to speaking with Nick
golden gust
Basically, it 100% depends on what you're actually doing as to if it's even viable in the first place
pulsar wigeon
i mean
if you want any relevant advice at all you're gonna have to say what you're trying to do
green turret
But you're in a realm where fucks aren't given anyway, so why you start passin' them around all of a sudden?
golden gust
Your consistent asking of hypotetics is pretty stupid as we go through this exact spheel every single time, yes, it's unsupported, but it's viability is 100% dependant on what you're actually doing
pulsar wigeon
otherwise just don't fucking ask to begin with if you're just gonna say "i know it's unsupported" the whole time
olive garden
oh wow
potent warren
Well, I was just wondering and throwing questions around. Just wanted to know the answers to what I said..
green turret
Okay the answer is "it depends"
pulsar wigeon
the only answer to hypotheticals are "no one fucking knows"
heady spear
you forgot the grocery store analogy
pulsar wigeon
until you ask a concrete question
heady spear
now we're all confused
green turret
Okay so either "it depends" or the Kit Kat analogy.
potent warren
That's all I needed for now. Thanks :+1:
heady spear
fair
green turret
You just wanted to know if it was a definitive yes or no or not?
olive garden
I think he knew very well that this is the response he was gonna get
green turret
In other news I think I avoided that potential ban. So that's good. Now I just need to stay away from those threads in the future xD
Ahhh, a troll he is!
olive garden
what did you say again that got you that warning?
green turret
I was very creative with profanity and semi-personal attacks.
left swift
lol
heady spear
tbf people kinda did gang up on you for no good reason lol
ancient bolt
I like some parts of the 2020.1 changes to the git windows in intellij, but on a whole I think I'm generally not a fan
heady spear
by people I mean one person that pretended to have support from other people
ancient bolt
reviewing a commit seems really janky now
I like the tree, I like the ability to put the current changes to the working directory on the right, feels natural with the project layout on the left
green turret
Nah I went ballistic from the get go. I could have dialed it back. But that one guy is definitely a shit stain of a poop nugget.
golden gust
2020.1 looks interesting, but might have to wait for stuff I use to update; Not too sure I'm fond of the font change, might revert that one
heady spear
the guy also didn't know the difference between heresy and hearsay so I mean
static badge
was there some drama on the forums again boys
ancient bolt
even if the new font is ""better"" I'd rather stick with a font I like
green turret
Oh is that what he tried to spell? Fuck, I literally thought he went to call on Jesus.
heady spear
lmao
green turret
Just that subscription model thread Streamfrost.
ancient bolt
subscription model?
static badge
idk what thread that is
upper flicker
Im still trying their font, I like it
I was using fira code before
have to see if it holds out long term
upper flicker
there's also microsoft's cascadia font
upper flicker
which I cannot get into it at all
green turret
Some plugin authors have apparently started charging monthly fees for their plugins. Big thread about it. Some people tried to justify it with "but I spend time on my hobby so pay me", I called bullshit very aggressively and called attention to the rules that prohibited it. md_5 confirmed after lock.
ancient bolt
I'm not a huge fan of the jetbrains font
heady spear
I didn't even realise there's a new font, I've been using something else for ages
static badge
tbh I don't really see a problem with a subscription based model unless it's violating the premium resources guidelines
heady spear
what's so special about it anyway? :p
green turret
It does.
static badge
well that's easy and done
golden gust
premium resource guidelines are a "you pay, you have access to the plugin"
green turret
You would think so xD
golden gust
advertising externally, etc, is forbidden
Locking away parts of the plugin behind another paywall is also forbidden
ancient bolt
I thought some of the letters looked really strange
green turret
What OS are you guys on?
heady spear
printing out a message telling people to switch to paper is apparently forbidden too, even for free resources =]]
golden gust
macOS masterrace
heady spear
^
static badge
windows 10 is god tier
potent warren
macOS 🤢
golden gust
Ye, rebase paper lef, i dare ya
ancient bolt
macOS is titan tier
green turret
Man I love macOS.
static badge
rebasing is fairly quick
ancient bolt
I'm too tired to spell
heady spear
I run ubuntu on my desktop tho because I need that linux for work
static badge
the slowest script on windows is the cleanup patches stuff
green turret
I hate that Apple have been fucking up the laptops for years now. But the OS is great.
ancient bolt
And yes, in case we haven't said it enough times here, Spigot is toxic as hell and generally a shit hole
the 16" macbook pro is really nice
they fixed where they were going wrong
I love it so much
green turret
Yes, pretty solid return to decency. Very expensive though.
heady spear
I have the 2019 13" mbp and even that isn't bad. People love to hate on them but I've very few complaints
it's perfect for uni
green turret
Hopefully by the time my late 2013 dies I can afford whatever model is available then. And hopefully it will be a good model.
ancient bolt
I'm gonna plan a heist of an apple store and take one
golden gust
Defo not the best bang for buck, but when you compare the whole unit vs just the raw specs, and how much longer that machine will last you vs a standard windows PC, I can't really fault it other than the initial investment being a bit wallet gouging
pulsar wigeon
things you can say about cars and laptops
ancient bolt
after exchanging money for goods and services
heady spear
I considered getting a bigger model but I kinda just use my desktop when I'm at home and I don't wanna carry around a huge ass laptop
green turret
My buddy had the 2019 and some of his keystrokes would repeat. It felt like software lag, but it was very real. He was going mad over it. Didn't happen on external keyboards though.
ancient bolt
the whole unit and tightly held ecosystem gives an experience worth the extra cost imo
golden gust
God, also, the display on my iMac, It's just.. I love it
heady spear
plus we have tiny tables in the lecture halls so I'd have to balance it on the person next to me
golden gust
Yea
green turret
Hahahah
golden gust
Like, if you're just after a machine for raw juice, go get a windows machine; if you want apple experience and quality, it's well worth it
ancient bolt
Also windows machines with the similar specs and build quality and nice screens (they never have better screens though) cost nearly the same
golden gust
Yea
golden gust
People quite literally never really consider that overall aspect, they just see that you can pop into wallmart and get a windows machine for a few hundred bucks which will maybe cope a year or two
iMac and a 2011 MBP, defo upgrading the mbp when I leave education, tbh
heady spear
there are so many small things about being in the apple ecosystem that makes it neat. Like, when you get a new device you're already logged into your local wifi because your phone is
also icloud lel
ancient bolt
a shitty plastic piece of shit with a spinny disk and a screen that makes your eyes bleed, what a deal lol
green turret
Sure, sometimes I just wish I could dial it back to like 80 %. The 16 GB memory price increase makes me cry a bit.
heady spear
and the new shit where your ipad is no longer a useless piece of shit and you can use it as a really laggy extra monitor
ancient bolt
I have 2 macbook pros sitting on my desk in front of me, both logged into the same icloud account
golden gust
I also love my oneplus, but tbh, with these days that I'm not really using my phone for much other than the oddball app/game here and there, makes me much more likely to debate on getting an iPhone down the line, tbqh
ancient bolt
without having to set anything up I can share my clipboard and browser tabs between them
pretty cool
I'll definitely stay with android, just pure preference
I don't consider it better or anything, I just like my phones how they are
golden gust
I love using vivaldi, tbh; But, when I wanna save juice, safari is such a blessing
topaz mortar
Electronic same here. MBP 15" mid 2012. Will upgrade this year.
heady spear
I got the iphone xs right before the release of the 11 because lol and I never wanna go back to android
cat uses vivaldi 2
golden gust
I'm just annoyed with the android lifecycle, tbh
heady spear
omg cat isn't that bad
heady spear
I like ubuntu too but ubuntu on a laptop? hell no
green turret
I just like that I have a Unix system with a decent package manager and a stable desktop environment. With Windows and Linux you get one of those, but not both.
golden gust
Like, I have the 5T, and this is going to be the last upgrade coming soon
heady spear
Vivaldi is really nice tbh, my favorite chrome browser for sure
green turret
3T here!
ancient bolt
I've never loved a phone so much
topaz mortar
oP6T
golden gust
Considering that I don't really tinker with my phone as much these days, part of me kinda debates on going for an iPhone just for the longevity of updates
heady spear
I had the first oneplus release and I dropped it in the toilet after a week
it didn't survive lol
when you needed those dumb invite codes and shit
ancient bolt
is vivaldi another chromium skin or what
golden gust
Saying that, I might jump to lineageOS at some point, last i recall they got google pay working fine again, don't really use that much but, I kinda don't like the idea of not having it for the times that I do wanna use it
topaz mortar
Vivaldi is a Chromium yes.
green turret
All my tech is pretty old. Desktop is from 2008, laptop from 2013, dunno when this phone is from (borrowed it from a guy I no longer talk to).
ancient bolt
at some point we'll just rename the web the chrome
golden gust
They have their own sync thing, which is kinda cool but somewhat bleh that I can't share it with chrome, not that I really rely on sync outside of bookmarks, tbh, but I just find that it works kinda nicer than chrome overall
heady spear
vivaldi is what all other chromium skins aspire to be :]
topaz mortar
M$ Edge is a Chromium, too.
heady spear
it looks really nice, it feels really nice and it runs really nice. Except for when it doesn't
it crashes quite a lot
but that makes it more exciting to use :]
also streaming videos doesn't work 90% of the time but then you just switch to Safari 😛
golden gust
Not had any crashes with vivaldi recently, they've had a few issues when running the snapshot branch which I for some reason still run (is shiny)
green turret
Vivaldi looks like Firefox
heady spear
also on my ubuntu machine it crashes every time you start it
golden gust
video streaming is a bit of an oddball one, like, on imgur, sometimes it just goes sideways, but, can't say that I've had much of a super great experience with other browsers either
heady spear
then when you choose not to report the error they open random empty windows
they had a fun issue on macos before where if you closed a tab while in fullscreen, the browser got bricked until you restarted it
brave is nice, but last time I used it it was very much incomplete
I just gave up on it because nothing fucking worked like it should
serene bolt
or you can use a non chromium browser and use Firefox <3
golden gust
I tried brave, the tokens looked interesting, but like, the overall experience was bleh
firefox
heady spear
brave > firefox 😛
golden gust
kek
topaz mortar
Have to look into brave
golden gust
I love how when you fire up firefox after not using it for a while, they ask if you wanna basically refreshen the install
heady spear
It has been a couple of years since I tried it out, so I bet it's a lot better now
golden gust
it's like they know it shits the bed after you've been using it for a while
green turret
Last time I tried Firefox it just took so much more memory than Chrome. I don't understand why though. I thought it was supposed to be lighter weight.
static badge
all web shit uses more ram than it should
pulsar wigeon
^
heady spear
anyway noobs ima sleep because I might actually need to make it to a lecture this week
golden gust
I mean
static badge
wow I should put that on reddit
vivid oyster
Question, I don't suppose it matters what JDK I'm using as long as it is above 8?
green turret
Yeah it's pretty rough. cries in 8 GB memory
serene bolt
if you're on MacOS that's probably why Firefox is garbage for you, there's a ton of issues in that department
golden gust
my experience with firefox has been the same across every platform, tbh
static badge
firefox works fine in windows
green turret
Ahh yeah there's probably some truth to that
static badge
I switched to see and didn't notice anything about it 
golden gust
with macOS, apps eat up a tad more ram because of some weird linking decisions apple took
green turret
Haven't been in Windows for years.
golden gust
But like, my experience of firefox is that it's fast when you start using it, but over time and after a few upgrades, it starts to slow down
static badge
windows hasn't really gotten better 
golden gust
They often have the oddball massive "lets actually fix performance" updates here and there which offers some pretty nice performance gains, but, I've honestly been having a reasonable experience elsewhere without that cycle for years
topaz mortar
There is a petition to FLOSS Windows 7
serene bolt
I genuinely find Firefox to be more responsive and better all around on Windows for me personally, and if it means i can stop supporting the chromium empire, i'm all for it
vivid oyster
Chrome is what eats up RAM so.... that tears me up which is why I switched to FireFox
green turret
I started looking for terminal-based clients for everything because everything takes up so much memory.
golden gust
chrome eats up extra ram due to the isolation and tryna been a web browser in general
But, like, now firefox does the isolation too, so \o/
vivid oyster
Does the JDK have to be 8 or can it be anything above 8? I'm wanting to update it to the newest version and want to be sure I can
golden gust
8+
There is no real "official" advice there, I generally have multiple versions installed 🤷♂️
vivid oyster
Yea I just have 8 and what to at least get 13
golden gust
So, get 13 and test it
paper itself builds fine and runs fine on 13
as for literally anything else, 🤷♂️
serene bolt
I recommend using 11 or 8. there's really no reason to be on anything else
topaz mortar
And later 14. LTS in general are recommended.
vivid oyster
Let me ask as well, I need to stop my .idea files from going to github, what do I put in the .gitignore?
golden gust
.g gitignore generator
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.gitignore.io/ -- gitignore.io - Create Useful .gitignore Files For Your...: "Create useful .gitignore files for your project by selecting from 500 Operating System, IDE, and Programming Language .gitignore templates."
topaz mortar
.idea
golden gust
No, .idea folder itself is fine
It's specific files that you really don't want pulling over
static badge
it's real annoying to open a project cloned that has its own .idea and settings and ugh fuck
topaz mortar
Jep. target should be killed as well and *.iml
topaz mortar
I'm removing everything ide specific because that sucks.
golden gust
the idea is that you can store things like spacing, etc, with the project, so others will pick up the same projects settings as what you're using
heady spear
If it’s that big a deal, ship the code style config for the project instead
The eclipse ones can be used in IntelliJ too so that’s nice
topaz mortar
Separate folder called codestyle with IJ , eclipse and netbeans code style configuration.
void void
re gitignore topic: i don't include *.i(ml|pr|ws) and .idea/ personally
don't see any reason to either
if i want e.g to force a code style then .editorconfig covers most, if not all of my needs (and ij can pick it up fine)
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rip
spark canopy
is there a very light warp plugin with signs
void void
.g spigot light warp plugin with signs
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6hr8TO6ceE -- Minecraft Bukkit Plugin - Scrolling Warp Signs - Tutorial -...: "Apr 4, 2014 ... Please SUBSCRIBE and LIKE! ☆ Thread: http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/scrolling-sign-warp/ FAQ: ○ What programs do you use? Fraps..."
spark canopy
it says the last update was in 2014
void void
tabs/spaces and newlines is what i usually want :p
topaz mortar
Just download and update it yourself. It's GPL by Bukkit
void void
and that's it
gpl by bukkit
i bet you haven't visited spigot's premium resources section
spark canopy
isnt all minecraft related stuff java 8
golden gust
I mean, i guess it's nice that IJ picks that stuff up automatically, so not really an issue
spark canopy
i cannot install java 8 dev for some reason
golden gust
(Assuming other devs are sane and use IDEA)
spark canopy
only 11+
void void
paper very likely runs on 11+ fine
golden gust
8 is the minimum because mojang uses 8
void void
with your plugins
golden gust
but like, plugins, etc, can use whatever version of java they want
Just, somewhat suggested to stick to 8 because hosting providers, etc, suck ass and will probably be stuck on 8 until they're forced forward
topaz mortar
i bet you haven't visited spigot's premium resources section
@void void of course. They need to provide source when I request one. Under the condition I bought it.
void void
but will they?
spark canopy
i tried forge but it just refused to work with 11,12 or 13
golden gust
Well, that's because forge is pretty dirty in how it works
spark canopy
so i assumed all mc related stuff need to be compiled with 8
golden gust
But, newer versions will run on 9+ just fine
spark canopy
i needed 1.12 which only runs on 8
topaz mortar
if they say that they'll provide it; sure
@void void if not, decompiling is allowed. They are depending on GPL software.
golden gust
Which goes back to the "older versions" thing
spark canopy
and im not learning bukkit for a simple warp plugin
void void
is learning a bad thing then?
spark canopy
no its a time consuming thing
void void
if you get really picky then you can find a plugin developer who'll probably create what you desire for little money
spark canopy
i just want a simple warp plugin
void void
or simply use essentials which might as well fit as a "kill two or more birds with a single stone" like thing
latent valve
^^^
spark canopy
isnt essentials really hard on ram for low end servers
tame pendant
Essentials is great
latent valve
most server use ess
spark canopy
i only have 2g
golden gust
I mean, warp plugins use API concepts which don't really change whatsoever
void void
waaaay more than essentials
golden gust
So, idek what the discussion here is, only real gains I can see in a modern warp plugin would more be using the async APIs for teleportation, beyond that 🤷♂️
void void
a simple warp plugin which is lighter than... essentials
where to get one is the question
vivid oyster
Do yall use 8- Lambdas, Type annotations etc. for Project Language Level or do yall just go for the newest?
golden gust
you stick to what you're working on
spark canopy
ill just use command blocks
golden gust
If you wanna maintain java 8 support, use 8
vivid oyster
so im using jdk 13 then i use 13
golden gust
if you wanna target a newer JVM version and get the newer language features, target the newer language level
vivid oyster
ok
so would you recommend doing 8 then or?
like you personally
btw should i update from 1.14.4 to 1.15.2
for my server
golden gust
public plugin, 8, unless there was a good reason otherwise
otherwise, whatever version I'm running on
golden gust
.eta
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
vivid oyster
you know where i can download jdk 8 without having to make that stupid account
golden gust
use adoptopenjdk
woven otter
so much salt in that thread
queen rapids
new discord update...
golden gust
you have to refresh, basically
latent valve
Ahh
austere ivy
Problem is, you move your mouse, it follows. There's no length of time that you have to hover over for it to appear, it just appears without you thinking you did anything (and that's bad UI, imo.)
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austere ivy
I don't think that's your most used emojis though, I basically never use 
.
limber knotBOT
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someone's getting the rank
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oh yeah
woven otter
there is no evidence that it was me
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mods
woven otter
what mods
austere ivy
woven otter
so no mods
vivid oyster
lol
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wait can mods even add that rank to people
latent valve
Just ping wiz. He will take care of this
static badge
tbh that's dumb
austere ivy
now that's a good idea.
stiff yarrow
any opportunity I have to kick leaf is one I must take
golden gust
I mean
Somebody has to care enough to actually enforce something
And well.. it's leaf...
austere ivy
hmm
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kick immunity confirmed
austere ivy
that's bullying me
woven otter
inb4 kicked
stiff yarrow
too depressed to kick leaf so someone else will have to do it
latent valve
@static badge ping wiz pls 
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does it look like I wanna get banned
golden gust
that's called a ban, not a kick
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told ya
latent valve
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if you really wanna see someone get rolled by wiz ping him yourself
latent valve
Ask him
woven otter
I bet because he gets pinged very often
austere ivy
can you not disable pings?
golden gust
no
latent valve
Discord should add disable ping
latent valve
Nah
golden gust
Being in DND is the best relief you get
But, it still highlights and acts like a unread notification, just doesn't ding you
proud lance
just stop being popular
latent valve
I think @usernameplsdontpinganyone still get ping but @everyone u can disable
proud lance
then you dont need dnd
latent valve
🤣 😂
proud lance
im gonna change my name to electroniccat
so people ping me instead
and I will tell them to fuck off
vivid oyster
@golden gust the openjdk doesnt work?
latent valve
🤣 🤣 🤣
golden gust
discussion about how people hate being pinged
latent valve
Prob no-fun-stuff
woven otter
irony
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cat u know if u were offline mode less people would do it
stiff yarrow
I don't really mind pings
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u get pinged often nossr?
golden gust
Discords font is already stupid enough for me to read
Then they go fuck up the coloring, so it's even stupider to read
latent valve
Getgud cat
golden gust
I mean, I can zoom in which makes it kinda nicer
But then, text is also stupidly large
static badge
sounds like a mac problem?
golden gust
if only discord allowed you to actually customize this shit
nothing to do with mac
It's discord and their stupid, uncontrollable client
static badge
I'm not familiar with any issue requiring zoom
austere ivy
I actually like getting pings because I'm super lonely and no one ever pings me.
golden gust
austere ivy
d'aw thanks <3
golden gust
That's standard, which is on the line of being kinda readable
static badge
sorta why I use the non-irc mode
austere ivy
aww thank you
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it separates clearly messages
golden gust
golden gust
That's the higher zoom setting, which is more readable, but annoyingly large
IRC mode doesn't impact the font?
austere ivy
discord is just dum, they already store a TON of information about you, couldn't they just store a couple hex colors per person about their preferred colors?
static badge
it affects the readability for me
stiff yarrow
this new discord update 👀
golden gust
all it really does is cut off profile pictures and the pointless newline
austere ivy
like chat color, background color, highlight color, blah blah blah
instead they make light mode illegible and waaay too bright and then the only viable option is dark mode
golden gust
Which is like, annoying af because I love not having wasted space
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well discord has font size?
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ugh discord
golden gust
Would be nice if they actually offered the ability to tweak it more instead of breaking their stupid TOS
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discord tos
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emoji suggestion is fine
golden gust
latent valve
kinda weird
latent valve
😂
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u have a discord dedicated to urself?
austere ivy
I've ranted about this before so I won't go on and on about it, but it's incredibly dumdum how they are like "uhh no external clients cuz break tos" but when we ask for custom colors which probably isn't that hard considering they have no problems implementing an entire games store, they're like "yah no"
golden gust
Ye
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hm
golden gust
Created it coz I wanna try and work on more stuff, also nice to have a dumcord channel for dumping shit
latent valve
love this so much
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guess that's a better solution than what I've done
golden gust
wtf is that aliasing
austere ivy
looks funky on my screen, at least.
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white theme is fine
latent valve
no
austere ivy
a shame because I like lighter themes in the day.
static badge
idk what's with people hatin on white theme
latent valve
hurt ma eyes
golden gust
coz my eyes are bad
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what's gonna happen in the next 10 years is we'll all go back to white theme and then black theme will be hated
latent valve
^^^^
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im calling it rn
golden gust
So, like, I need decent contrasting between text and bg
static badge
ur all gonna be white theme bois
golden gust
Which, with light theme, I gotta blind myself to be able to read
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hm I don't really notice a blinding effect
stiff yarrow
reminder that some people use material theme unironically
stiff yarrow
material theme = eyes bleed
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material theme
limber knotBOT
ya, copied from metro
austere ivy
I thought that I'd like material theme because it's so perfect but what I'm finding more is that perfection ≠ good looking
limber knotBOT
except added shadows which is dum
austere ivy
it's not perfect but I mean there's no weird exceptions or anything, it's very consistent
static badge
.g material theme
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://material.io/resources/build-a-material-theme/ -- Build a Material theme - Material Design: "These interactive projects for Android and the web let you create your own Material theme by customizing values for color, typography, and shape. See..."
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oh right
austere ivy
but I dunno, when everything is so sterile it seems boring and bland
limber knotBOT
Metro design best design
austere ivy
I'm just not a fan of material theme. I really wish I was but frankly android looks a tad bit ugly to me.
metro design?
potent warren
Windows 8 design
golden gust
Basically, imagine a design aimed solely at windows fanboiz
potent warren
Microsoft also has Fluent Design
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is that thing even maintained
potent warren
don't think so
austere ivy
now I don't know what macOS uses, I think it's like aqua or something, but I'm a big fan of this UI. maybe it's because I grew up with it, but it's clean, and simplistic.
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austere ivy
¯_(ツ)_/¯
austere ivy
how's the UI on that?
golden gust
aqua is the window manager
austere ivy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_(user_interface) are you sure?
limber knotBOT
excellent. Still a big fan of the live tiles, I don't have to open most apps just to see what's new unlike other phones. Widgets are still a kluge
limber knotBOT
and of course nothing on iphone
golden gust
i can totally spell
austere ivy
yeah, I'm still not very used to "desktop environment" thing because I'm so used to calling that the OS but, yeah.
limber knotBOT
unless you like looking at the clock
austere ivy
of course with Catalina, Apple just kinda threw consistency out the door with their new Catalyst thing for porting iPad apps to macOS
limber knotBOT
fluent design is eh at best, I'm not a fan of blur and transparency and uh.. whatever they call it when elements glow near your cursor
austere ivy
glow?
limber knotBOT
ya can't recall what they call that
but ui elements glow when you get near them with your cursor like your cursor has a little spotlight or something idk
I turned that stuff off
"Reveal"
that's what they call it
austere ivy
in general I don't think things that change drastically if you hover over them are a good design
people like when they click things, things happen. not things moving on their own.
which is why I'm really not a fan of this kinda appearing everywhere I move my cursor
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wat
limber knotBOT
hover elements, the only worse design is the complete hiddenness of the charms bar
Windows 8 screwed up so bad because the UI element that was universal to every app was completely hidden and never discoverable (unless by accident)
It's great... if you know about it
Discord has a great design overall. There are some menus which really do look sleek, and for the most part (up until now) Discord has been easy on the eyes,.
But I think the pinnacle of simple, utilitarian, easy to understand design is IRC.
You've got a chat box, you've got a message enter box thingy, and maybe you've got a list of users on the side. That's it. There are no emojis, no reactions, no weird hover thingies wherever you move your cursor, it's super simple.
discord has a great design overall
What fucking odd world are you in?
by brian
limber knotBOT
Is it as pretty as Discord? Maybe not. But man, with Discord you pick it up and you gotta get acquainted with it, gotta get to know the hotkeys and whatnot, whereas with IRC, a 5 year old can pick it up and instantly understand how to use it.
pulsar wigeon
hate how people i have blocked can use irc and circumvent :<
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golden gust
The thing with brian is that you can never tell if he's just a moron or actually baiting
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tbh same with u
golden gust
the former seems to be the most likely case, tbh
limber knotBOT
discord doesn't have that bad of a design, does it?
pulsar wigeon
he's actually retarded regardless of whether or not he's baiting
golden gust
fuquufuq
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golden gust
limber knotBOT
eh, could be worse cough skype
limber knotBOT
oh, yeah, that's abd.
pulsar wigeon
sky's UI design actually wasn't terrible back in the day
limber knotBOT
s/abd/bad
pulsar wigeon
skype*
limber knotBOT
Correction, <TehBrian> oh, yeah, that's bad.
pulsar wigeon
wow cat you have EH far down
golden gust
yea, skypes UI design was actually pretty reasonable, especially considering the era
limber knotBOT
wasn't terrible until they had the brilliant idea to make everything worse
golden gust
as opposed to discord who started off bad and seem to keep heading further in that direction
pulsar wigeon
the difference being ^
limber knotBOT
at least Discord isn't as laggy as Skype is now, I legitimately cannot even use Skype because it's barely able to load
the instant I start scrolling through a group chat it entirely freezes
unreal quarry
dont scroll, then
austere ivy
good idea.
vestal jasper
golden gust
I know, but it's a PITA tryna balance everything
Where I have it now is as best as I'm gonna get
golden gust
I mean, I've basically got it at the point where the UI sizing is tolerable, and so is the text sizing
The only way I'd get perfection is by fucking the TOS and using a better client...
void void
wiz, recipe delivered
shell vine
golden gust
Read the pin in #announcements ofc, change the address to use the version you wanna grab
limber knotBOT
why 1.15.1
void void
lol
upper flicker
wow that emote hover thing is super obnoxious
void void
which?
upper flicker
upper flicker
not seeing an off switch for it either 😦
upper flicker
or your client just hasnt updated yet
upper flicker
not on bleeding
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well then I'm out of date
upper flicker
the bleeding people were talking about this a few weeks ago
limber knotBOT
back to irc it is boys
upper flicker
limber knotBOT
!quiet Streamfrost
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ye me rn
limber knotBOT
I mean... yea...
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mfw
upper flicker
tbh I do like that the design in irc mode is more compact
just that dumb emote hover thing needs an off switch
void void
ez mek new discord with admin acct then mek admin display role then delete this serbur and profit
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the fuck
limber knotBOT
Time for IRC to rise up
irc wont tbh
probably not
!stats
Uptime: 38 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, 46 seconds
Message Handling: 2ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 13830 (14%)
Messages from Discord: 88505 (86%)
the discord bot formatting is cancer
no gh notifs :(
IRCs doing better than it was, tbh
ah I remember when the bot was new and it'd ping you kek
cosmic raft
my coworker is so nice. I didn't wear a jacket to work today, it dropped to -5, they gave me their jacket to wear
limber knotBOT
we can make it ping just you if you want
do it no balls
I'da just set you on fire, tbh
I expect that feature to be ready in 15 mins
chop chop let's go z
Coz love is warmth, and so is fire, so, that would be like 2 in 1
wow good point cat
you can't burn a frozen stream
you can burn leaves though
I can also do this
ur not wrong
kash no
oofers
kash yes
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is that a BAN
limber knotBOT
no
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wow
limber knotBOT
kick
limber knotBOT
mfw
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IT'S BEEN YEARS
limber knotBOT
the delay :kekw:
left swift
No
limber knotBOT
remember when emotes would propagate to irc
shit
to discord
from
irc
they still propagate
that one isnt in our guild though
huh
left swift
limber knotBOT
if only you could give webhooks nitro
lol
or something
thats not the issue
add kekw to papermc thx
issue is the bot isnt in any other guilds to look them up
you can already call animated stuff from it though
so if you bring the bot over it could?
tbh probably not
it's discord :kappa:
I think it only checks the bridged guild
it wouldnt know to go looking at other random ones
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limber knotBOT
there
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you also want 
limber knotBOT
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left swift
KEKW IN PAPERMC
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limber knotBOT
inb4 we have to remove it
left swift
Y
limber knotBOT
would discord think it's racist :kappa:
idk how its racist
but its 2020, twitter and tumblr are full of morons
with the correct effort
you can make anything racist
just watch
left swift
Do they remove pepe
limber knotBOT
no
you see
there are several pepe guilds
the emote, known informally as kekw amongst the plebians, depicts a person of colour laughing
shit the commas shouldn't be there
left swift
several pp guilds
limber knotBOT
mfw yarn's apt signing key has expired
gg
what is this microsoft teams
and by depicting a person of colour laughing you are stereotyping that people of colour can be reduced to just reactions
just images
and not real human beings
left swift
Digital blackface