sk-discussion

[stark estuary]

No Tammo, I actually do have proof

[digital glen]

Is Jackie Chan casted for ss?

[serene chasm]

sly probably sold hornet out to the kidnappers

[fossil cedar]

i could see it

[lost coyote]

pactavas geo

[vague warren]

im glad ss isnt being rushed and ruined like cyberpunk and other games

[digital glen]

He puts a sign in front of the temple of the black egg

[fossil cedar]

hasnt silksong been in development for like 4 years

[coarse leaf]

💀

[coarse leaf]

3

[uncut citrus]

godhome sly could beat hornet, then idk if current sly can but yeah it could make sense thats how they got her in the cage before sealing it

[lost coyote]

closer to 3

[vague warren]

remember the longer it takes the more content there will be

at least i hope

[fossil cedar]

nah cuz remember they had a whole gameplay trailer 3 years ago, they had to work on it before then

[shell yacht]

[uncut citrus]

stop lurking

[coarse leaf]

i really appreciated all the hidden rooms and details in HK but i dont want SS full of those idk

[digital glen]

Why do you think that, bacause Sly is harder?

[lost coyote]

it's not 3 or 4 but it's closer to 3 than 4 I think

[opaque sigil]

roughly 3.5

[fossil cedar]

itll be exactly 3 years since reveal in 15 days

[coarse leaf]

Already???

[daring hemlock]

Team cherry is good at balancing things I wouldn’t be worried about that

[serene chasm]

why not? stuff like the hidden geo cache in kingdoms edge is so cool

[lost coyote]

I'm pretty sure it's like a month

[vague warren]

this lrobably goes in #hk-lore but did anyone figure out the reason behind the vitruvian grub

[coarse leaf]

i didnt even know that existed until i saw a video

[opaque sigil]

charms

[velvet ruin]

Yeah especially nail arts damage with fury

[coarse leaf]

i never used nail arts

[full rune]

flukenest be like

[fossil cedar]

who uses nail arts?

[stark estuary]

Here is the proof. Look at the crest in the first screenshot and compare it to the one we see in Sly's house. Now, it's important to mention that Sly is the Great Nailsage, and has many trophies in his home. Thus, it is reasonable to suggest he was in Pharloom at some point. Given the uncanny resemblance, I believe this is no coincidence, and I would go so far as to say Sly and Esmy will feature as bosses ("Esmy...how much deeper do we have to go"). Evidently, Sly says this because Esmy left Hallownest and went to Pharloom.

[lost coyote]

nail farts

[daring hemlock]

same

[alpine zephyr]

Still no news I see

[stark estuary]

You said I had no evidence, but I did. Cope and seethe.

[uncut citrus]

pretty generic skull but maybe ig

[serene chasm]

same. I love shit like that in video games. stuff that you learn about months or years after because someone tells you about it.

[lost coyote]

it's not really a source it's speculation

[coarse leaf]

well if im never gonna notice it until i see a video i prefer it not be on the game

[fossil cedar]

idk i think you might be reaching, seems like a generic shape for hollow knight skulls

[vague warren]

idk if this is even considered a stretch or not because on one hand that sounds crazy but on the other its hollow knight so i really have no clue what to think lmao

[stark estuary]

I don't need your validation. I know I'm right.

[uncut citrus]

what does that mean @opaque sigil

[opaque sigil]

Why

[daring hemlock]

Yea, i’m just waiting until the 14th then leaving this server and not looking at anything accept moss bags channel every once and awhile

[fossil cedar]

its the 15th 🥱

[coarse leaf]

? because i'm not that big of an explorer and HK was my first metroidvania

[opaque sigil]

Even if you don't see it somebody else will. Something isn't a bad inclusion just because you personally (or any given player) may not see it

[daring hemlock]

I mean next month

[coarse leaf]

well its my opinion, i can only speak for myself

[opaque sigil]

Its inclusion doesn't hurt

[lost coyote]

including a million different secret areas creates a slightly different experience for each player and that's the fun part

[vague warren]

as soon as silksong comes out im leaving the server until i beat it so i get 0 spoilers

[fossil cedar]

same

[daring hemlock]

same

[coarse leaf]

But for me is useless so much detail, for me, for my playing experience

[lost coyote]

this channel will be dead for like a month

[opaque sigil]

ok but the inclusion of things to discover is part of the experience of the game

[lost coyote]

everyone just playing silksong

[kind dove]

team cherry even said they like when something isnt found by most players cause it makes it more special

[stark estuary]

Bruh. It's literally the exact same skull. I think it's possible Sly gave it to Hornet before she was kidnapped which is why it looks more worn in Silksong. A good Nailsage would use both charms and crests, simple logic really.

[fossil cedar]

nah this channels gonna blow up

[daring hemlock]

fighting sisters of battle isn’t recommended while typing

[coarse leaf]

theres always too much of everything

[uncut citrus]

wuite the opposite actually

[vague warren]

i think if silksong lives up to the massive hype which I'm pretty sure it will, it may sell better than hk

[opaque sigil]

If they cut things out just because some people might not find something, that would mean cutting out the bulk of optional content and overall reducing the complexity and believability of the world

[gilded adder]

It also generates talk surrounding the game and players sharing their experiences which is very good for the game.

[coarse leaf]

Im just afraid theyre putting too many details and extras in SS because i may never find all of them

[opaque sigil]

And allows for unique experiences

[digital glen]

Whats the cannon strongest characters in hollow knight?
Like do you think Hornet could defeat like Grimm, even though she just like half god i think

[full rune]

its not about finding all of them it's about finding whats in your playthrough

[stark estuary]

Sounds like a skill issue ||/j||

[alpine zephyr]

same I’m worried about that lol

[coarse leaf]

Once again, HK was my first metroidvania

[stark estuary]

||/j||

[elfin swift]

i don't really like secrets that you'd only find by banging every single identical wall in an area until you find one randomly breakable one. like to me secrets need just some reasonable hint or suggestion that they're there to be discovered

[opaque sigil]

If the game is built such that you necessarily encounter everything the game has to offer, that would be very restrictive

[serene chasm]

I can understand if it was important lore and story stuff, but not knowing about a giant ball of geo probably isnt going to ruin the game for you

[vague warren]

hornet can barely even live through an attack from thk i dont think she'll live through grimm

[stark estuary]

Uhhhh

[daring hemlock]

My first metroidvania was metroid

[digital glen]

Maybe she was weaken because of the temple?

[lost coyote]

HK is designed so that every player's journey through the game is unique

[serene chasm]

Then you learn about it, and go cool Im gonna check it out. And then you play the game for another 50 hours

[fossil cedar]

i disagree, seeing as the rewards are so minor for that kind of thing (most of the time) its just really cool slamming your nail against a random wall and finding its breakable, it doesnt harm if you never saw it, its just a cool moment if you did

[elfin swift]

hornet has rock lee's training braces on she doesn't take any of this seriously it's just another day at the office for her

[alpine zephyr]

Let’s hope ss is like that

[vague warren]

maybe idk she does say something indicating that she cant beat thk outside the egg temple

[stark estuary]

THK didn't actually attack her. She was drained by the bindings in the Black Egg and was knocked away when it roared (releasing a wave of infection).

[strange pawn]

Why y'all powerscaling smh

[digital glen]

Say that to my friends mocking me because of my "weird path"

[coarse leaf]

I found out a lot of things in videos and never went to HK to see them myself, just bored of HK already

[full rune]

if youre going around smacking every wall i think you've missed the design of breakable walls / secrets

[lost coyote]

I feel sorry for people who went into deepnest after sisters of battle

[stark estuary]

Quote?

[strange pawn]

I got pure nail before traitor lord because im bad

[opaque sigil]

That's your choice

[vague warren]

she says she wont go in unless it gets bad or something i dont remember exactly

[opaque sigil]

Doesn't mean those things were a bad addition

[serene chasm]

bored? of hollow knight?

[vague warren]

impossible

[coarse leaf]

I didnt say the word bad xd

[stark estuary]

And how does that indicate she couldn't beat THK if it was removed from the Black Egg?

[full rune]

so your experience was lessened because you spoiled yourself with videos?

[opaque sigil]

.

[coarse leaf]

I did 112% in October and never played since 🤷🏽‍♀️

[strange pawn]

Your pfp is fitting, you are clown

[uncut citrus]

what if you dont have the mental energy to play?

[digital glen]

me

[narrow lava]

heresy

[serene chasm]

skill issue

[coarse leaf]

that means Im calling it bad? lol

[lost coyote]

the best games are ones you didnt even expect to be good but then end up playing 25 hours a day

[vague warren]

i worded it weird i meant she says that outside of the black egg not fighting thk outside of the temple

[uncut citrus]

[ruby oriole]

Even though its heavily implied that SS will have nothing to do with the radiance, its still a bit weird seeing an enemy spit out a liquid that is not orange, it looks cursed :/

[burnt topaz]

that must mean its tasty and tastes of grapes

[vague warren]

yea

[stark estuary]

I'm even more confused now

[opaque sigil]

If you say that you would prefer it not be included, that implies that you consider it to detract from the quality of the game. If something detracts from the quality of the game, it would be considered "bad"

[coarse leaf]

its literally venom

[uncut citrus]

lets eat it

[digital glen]

Lets go grape juice

[strange pawn]

We've changed fruits

[lost coyote]

the grapediance

[vague warren]

words fail me i have big stupid

[coarse leaf]

not bad, unnecesary xd

[uncut citrus]

[ruby oriole]

Ik but it looks weird, i'm so used to seeing nosk and mawlek spitting out infection

[opaque sigil]

Unnecessary content is what made HK as compelling an experience as it was

[burnt topaz]

i mean thats like calling the strawberries in celeste as unnecessary, its for the players who care, you just clearly dont

[full rune]

i'm on the fence about dark purple and red projectiles lol

[vague warren]

its just paintmaster sheo

[lost coyote]

exactly theres probably stuff I still dont even know about

[uncut citrus]

why not both?

[opaque sigil]

Dark purple doesn't stand out well for colorblind iirc

[coarse leaf]

Anyways you guys missed my whole point its ok

[ruby oriole]

which one do you prefer?

Orange fanta(infection) or Grape fanta(Venom)

[fossil cedar]

venom >>>

[serene chasm]

Orange fanta is only fanta

[opaque sigil]

There's nothing wrong with not finding every detail

[full rune]

i question how it will fair for colorblind people, but i brought it up to simo and benji like a year ago so i think theyll account for it

[digital glen]

Venom all day

[vague warren]

colorbling gang where u at

[stark estuary]

I believe that Silksong will have something to do with the Radiance.

[serene chasm]

colourblind mode maybe?

[strange pawn]

I dont think red projectiles is a good idea. I think it'd look weird

[stark estuary]

Based on Last Judge

[lost coyote]

the cool thing with HK is they dont always put actually important stuff to 112% in secret areas so there are probably a few you never knew existed

[strange pawn]

I had to look up a tutorial to find weaversong lol

[uncut citrus]

thats what i was thinking about yeah

[stark estuary]

Infection can turn venom orange, but it's still venom. So they're both venom for the most part.

[vague warren]

i wonder if theyll add dlcs in silksong or just relase it and that's it

[digital glen]

I wanna see Hornet on trial, you die to the last judge and then the game turns into Ace Attorney all of the sudden

[lost coyote]

they probably just wanna release it and be done

[fossil cedar]

given how long its taking, i reckon theyll have enough content not to need dlc, at least for a while

[strange pawn]

They are 100% doing dlc

[uncut citrus]

thats a new fav

[ruby oriole]

Also, reminder to memorize this.

[digital glen]

Yeah never saw this gif, pretty good

[shell yacht]

do you understand what dlc is and why HK got any

[uncut citrus]

will probably change, dont

[burnt topaz]

whos the prosecutor

[opaque sigil]

Those are probably changed, tool and skill are definitely changed

[serene chasm]

lace

[burnt topaz]

and whos the defendant

[strange pawn]

They'll release the game, get new ideas, release dlc, simple as that.

[lost coyote]

what is "skill"

[vague warren]

this might sound weird but i hope silksong isnt 100% polished and glitchless one of the things that make hollow knight so fun is the little glitches and abused mechanics like pogos and shade skips and things like that

[strange pawn]

Pc gang

[opaque sigil]

Pogo is intended

[uncut citrus]

orrrrrr they dont release the game, get new ideas, add them, simple as that

[stoic path]

Also I've never thought of this but, could the Skill button be for Dashing?

[digital glen]

My analog stick had drift so i played hk on the dpad, wasnt that bad

[vague warren]

i mean stuff like explosion pogos or white palace skipped areas

[uncut citrus]

You woudnt know

[opaque sigil]

Skill button is the silk spear

[full rune]

dont have to worry about drift on keyboard

[uncut citrus]

[stoic path]

Then what's dash?

[fossil cedar]

i garuntee theres gonna be some crazy maneuvers with the run jump + the string grapple thing idk what either are called

[vague warren]

yea

[opaque sigil]

zr

[burnt topaz]

that leads into the sprint

[ruby oriole]

also, BLOCKING, WHY AREN'T PEOPLE EXCITED FOR THIS?!

[uncut citrus]

sorry pooldonutzero i could not let this perfect oportunity go

[strange pawn]

Oh no

[opaque sigil]

Blocking isn't really interesting...

[fossil cedar]

the parry ability is gonna be a gamechanger

[stoic path]

Oh so the dash and sprint is one button?

[coarse leaf]

i have a feeling TC are really aiming for a 100% perfect SS at launch

[uncut citrus]

blokcing is literally boring but ig?

[vague warren]

a lot of the magic in hk is the messing around with movement abilities and finding better ways to do things that arent intended by the programmers so yea i hope silksong isnt completely polished

[digital glen]

I think thats a parry thats uses silk

[serene chasm]

I am but there isnt much to talk about it

[narrow lava]

we are, its just been talked about already

[burnt topaz]

it does use silk

[serene chasm]

so cool

[vague warren]

parry bru

[uncut citrus]

I HAVE BEEN TALKIG ABOUT the party

[opaque sigil]

Also boring

[full rune]

these more grounded fights look really good and i bet they will feel amazing

[fossil cedar]

what im most scared about is them not finding the right balance for difficulty, like making stuff too easy/too hard

[digital glen]

It is pretty cool, wonder if it will be worth it the silk

[burnt topaz]

the floor of this is glass holy shit i swear

[opaque sigil]

Parry is just a few iframes and a dash forward as a counter attack

[lost coyote]

the lighting here

[ruby oriole]

yeah, but imagine what combos you can do in silksong now that we have a parry

[burnt topaz]

i like that, it seems more effective than hks and easier to use

[uncut citrus]

gonna break like FK at the end

[opaque sigil]

SS also has HK parry

[strange pawn]

Most high level players are gonna find this game way too easy or it'll be to hard for the average joe

[vague warren]

to be fair there are easy and hard bosses in hk like flukemarm and moss charger to asbrad and nkg

[ruby oriole]

combos in silksong... Its my dream

[opaque sigil]

And HK parry is arguably better since it doesn't cost anything or lock you in place. It's just harder to time

[narrow lava]

imagine taking damage in SS

[ruby oriole]

also ahegfwairgjreijgrgijirjgji why do i keep typing things wrong

[serene chasm]

And thats an old screenshot. The lighting will look even better in the final game

[uncut citrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/891924780381523968/926961482229493800/SKILL_ISSUE.gif

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-needle-hornet-playing-her-needle-gif-24057267

excited to see what this is gonna do

[ruby oriole]

real?

[vague warren]

ayo

[glacial gulch]

ss when?

[narrow lava]

ofcourse its real

[stoic path]

I think TC wants SS to feel balanced for basic and skilled players which is why the tools are a thing

[strange pawn]

I wonder if they will be a mini game for doing music like ocarina of time

[ruby oriole]

yup, of course.

[vague warren]

i really hope thats a void tendril coming out of her 😳 😳 😳

[lost coyote]

guys I googled silksong release date it says February 2022 again

[full rune]

down right left down right left

[lost coyote]

so excited wow cant wait woo yeah yay

[fossil cedar]

proof??

[stark estuary]

A recent study found that this animation has therapeutic properties

[stoic path]

So smoooooooth

[opaque sigil]

It's taken from the gog thing which is thoroughly debunked

That page just shows the current year

[burnt topaz]

stop googling the silksong release date, its never right

[uncut citrus]

i think you had the wrong reply, you meant the one over it right?

[stark estuary]

Look at Hornet's tiny noodle hand

[lost coyote]

google sources a gamerant article so it cannot be trusted

[stark estuary]

No, I meant that one

[strange pawn]

Still the GeForce leak

[serene chasm]

imagine trusting google

[strange pawn]

February hope

[opaque sigil]

geforce leak is also nonsense

[fossil cedar]

i have hope for february

[stark estuary]

You're nonsense

[uncut citrus]

No no, you definitely meant the one over it

[full rune]

didnt the geforce leak already get disproven from like bf2042

[lost coyote]

February hope February cope February mald February seethe

[fossil cedar]

i need to have hope that its soon

[opaque sigil]

If it was a final date they would probably have announced at TGA

[shell yacht]

also the fact that the dates all chamger to dates in the past

bt no

have hope

[opaque sigil]

Eh not technically but "it's not disproven" is the only thing that can be said in support of it so......

[shell yacht]

[alpine zephyr]

Hi water

How r u

[lost coyote]

I hope kirb (new) is excited for the new kirby game

[stark estuary]

A vain assertion that reasoning is needless

[burnt topaz]

dont let kirb fool you
theyre actually old

[coarse leaf]

not necesarily

[stark estuary]

I am not. As my name suggests, I am Kirb (new), and I am indeed excited for the new Kirby game.

[coarse leaf]

HK date announced 2 weeks before

[opaque sigil]

Oh, btw Kirb there was an alleged inside leak that suggested a genealogy remake as well as another new title. Quite plausibly bs, but it's exciting

[stark estuary]

[lost coyote]

which means SS announced 2 weeks before Feb 1 which means Jan 18 👍

[coarse leaf]

not feb 1 but any other day

[stark estuary]

Genealogy remake???

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[elfin swift]

oh neato, new psych of play vid just dropped and it's about wait times before bosses/long runs to boss rooms from checkpoints

[uncut citrus]

||(mods lurking i know your here, quick nick Kirb as "old" we wont say anything )||

[opaque sigil]

Would be great (although it would probably need a pretty significant redesign in some areas)

[stark estuary]

I would normally be quick to call bs, but nobody expected a Gaiden remake so

[opaque sigil]

Fingers crossed for the next direct

4/5/6 do kinda make the most sense to remake tbf, since they have no english localization

[stark estuary]

Yeah

[lost coyote]

the next direct will prob be in february

[carmine sapphire]

silksong for reeal

[uncut citrus]

gonna save that and pretend your talking about Silksong

[opaque sigil]

[uncut citrus]

WAIOT WHAt

[stoic path]

Just 2 more weeks to go, and we'll see what is real and what is fake

[lost coyote]

(midlife crisis)

[uncut citrus]

ik your laughing somehwre out there

[opaque sigil]

First time?

[burnt topaz]

i know i am

[uncut citrus]

||(at least make Tammo to tammy )||

[stark estuary]

Kirb (just joined)

[opaque sigil]

[burnt topaz]

Kirb (new to discord)

[stark estuary]

Oh I missed the /nick

There

[opaque sigil]

I'm not an Eirika fan so much as a Seth support and Rapier fan but ok

[full rune]

it was an insult

[uncut citrus]

there we go

[opaque sigil]

Also 40% strength growth isn't high but it isn't super low either (though swordlock does suck)

[full rune]

rapier is pretty goated though

[stark estuary]

Rapier is indeed goated

[uncut citrus]

so here you can see kirb (new to discord) its the channel you really never want to go

[stark estuary]

Thanks

[uncut citrus]

but there is somehow worst!

whatever happens

[opaque sigil]

And on Eirika's route you can get two rapiers (can't get two reginleifs on either route)

[uncut citrus]

dont go in #hk-meme or #hk-lore

[full rune]

but reiginleif

[nimble radish]

at least the jokes in #hk-lore don't get repeated a million times

[uncut citrus]

they do but with a healthy amount of time in between so that we dont get banned

[stark estuary]

At least Eirika is better than Lyn

[coarse leaf]

#hk-lore has jokes?

[opaque sigil]

Reginleif does have higher mt than the rapier so it is better as an effective weapon

[opaque sigil]

Higher strength and mount on promotion

[nimble radish]

yeah, several of them are present in this chat rn

[opaque sigil]

Or I think she has higher strength?

[uncut citrus]

yes, but just once

[stark estuary]

...

[narrow lava]

I love it when they spam
https://tenor.com/view/me-when-beans-beans-dung-defender-hollow-knight-hk-gif-21798162

[stark estuary]

Don't talk about yourself in third person, Lori.

[burnt topaz]

get that out of my sight

[uncut citrus]

damn this discussion is probably the best we'ld had in this channel for a while

exept for the "me when beans"

[coarse leaf]

Yeah, that's why we should talk about food instead!

[nimble radish]

me when b||ees||

[stark estuary]

Bees nuts

[vagrant umbra]

Anyone want to talk about 🇹🅾️ 0️⃣ 🤙 5️⃣ ?

[full rune]

lets talk about Ross

[full rune]

FE8-discussion

[burnt topaz]

i am the worst tool

[opaque sigil]

Ross is the least bad trainee because he joins early and isn't quite as far behind

[nimble radish]

ross from the frineds show yes

[stark estuary]

I still don't like the trainee units. Too much effort.

[coarse leaf]

I didn't play any of the FE games, I'm sorry.

But at least we can talk about Bob Ross, for sure

[burnt topaz]

Mr Ross

[runic valley]

Anything new?

[opaque sigil]

They're bad but they're fun to use

And while it's a lot of effort sacred stones does give you the tools to train them

They'd be much worse in, say, 7

[cerulean tree]

waddup

[stark estuary]

Super Trainees were fun in Creature Campaign ig

[opaque sigil]

Super pupil is probably the only super trainee that's at all worth it since it has dark, anima, and light

Others have limited weapons and bad con

idk it's just fun to watch units snowball and trainees do that pretty well

[stark estuary]

I mean in Ross' case Super Journeyman at least has the innate 15% crit but like, so does Berserker.

[sinful basin]

I don't know man I don't think Hornet is going to be in Silksong

[opaque sigil]

Hero's also a good option

[stark estuary]

Hero's a great class yeah

[opaque sigil]

Axelock can be bad since axes are inaccurate in the first place and so sword users are going to be a big problem

[uncut citrus]

its highly theorised but yeah we really arent sure yet

[opaque sigil]

imo best classes for trainees are hero, paladin, and summoner

[limber wedge]

My money is on zote being the playable character

[stark estuary]

I'd agree there, but I still like Berserker because Ross is the only unit who can be made into one (Dozla's a pre-promote).

[opaque sigil]

Fair

But also there's only one ocean seal and I often like to promote colm since he's the only thief for a while and his combat can get pretty decent

[stark estuary]

True

[sinful basin]

Like I know the game is about Hornet and all but no man I don't know

[uncut citrus]

guess we'll find out at the release?

[sinful basin]

True!! !!!!!!1

[opaque sigil]

ig if you promote Joshua or Marisa to assassin they can use lockpicks probably but I never do that because swordmaster

[sinful basin]

When... Is the release.

[stark estuary]

A lot of people make Amelia General since the only other option is Gilliam

[opaque sigil]

Who cares, general bad

[stark estuary]

Paladin is just too good to pass up

[opaque sigil]

Paladin is almost never a bad choice in any fe game (aside from 3h because slow)

[stark estuary]

I like General's animations tho

[uncut citrus]

IDk wht you are even talking about

[stark estuary]

Fire Emblem

Summoner Ewan is good because Knoll is garbage

[opaque sigil]

Also summoners are just good

Phantoms will pretty much always be targeted over valuable units

[stark estuary]

Yeah, Summoners can be really nice in those situations

Lagdou Ruins

[uncut citrus]

yeah i guessed that but stil

imma just calmly leave...

[stark estuary]

Also Summoners being allowed to use staffs is pretty cool

[true vine]

cool

[uncut citrus]

Cool.

[narrow lava]

summoners were S tier units just because of phantoms

the utility in just those stupid little guys were ridiculous

[opaque sigil]

fr it made it so much easier to protect units like Tethys

Who is made of tissue paper even towards endgame

And yeah classes getting staffs is always nice

[vivid belfry]

speaking of summoners

everything about the robot summon tool seems like an improvement over glowing womb in terms of how it operates in its intended design space

[opaque sigil]

Definitely

[vivid belfry]

like even if it still used soul, tying womb to a button press makes it objectively better because you can choose which enemies are and are not worth engaging with directly

[opaque sigil]

Not only is it not a constant resource drain, it has its own pool

[vivid belfry]

and yeah, the fact that it DOESN'T use silk is another layer of convenience on top of that

[opaque sigil]

It basically does away with all the things that make glowing womb actively bad

And there's also the possibility that the robots get more than one attack

[haughty fjord]

Do we know if silk song will be a sequel or a prequel?

[full rune]

prequel

[opaque sigil]

Probably former but not confirmed either way

I wonder if SS will have a shotgun-type tool like flukenest

[coarse leaf]

presequel

[vivid belfry]

well there is one major thing holding glowing womb back that we don't know is fixed in silksong

absolute dogshit damage

[opaque sigil]

True

[vivid belfry]

but if tools have any kind of damage scaling, AT ALL, the problem instantly goes away

[mint valve]

good morning ( I'm a bit late )
news: no
any silksong?

[rancid salmon]

i'm still new to hollowknight after finishing the game i just wanted to ask if the February releasedate for silksong was debunked or not ? (also sorry for storming the conversation but i'm just asking for a yes, no answer anyways)

[opaque sigil]

Well 9 damage isn't nothing but by the time you get it it's already fallen off a bit

[vivid belfry]

glowing womb is an underwhelming option with soul spells and an active detriment with void spells

[shell yacht]

literally zero reasoning to prequel mindset

[vivid belfry]

it just bleeds damage potential and healing opportunities

[opaque sigil]

Definitely but for players that don't use spells anyways it's better, at least

[shell yacht]

it was never valid to begin with, its as much a guess as everything else

[true vine]

ok

[vivid belfry]

anyway let's drudge up this old poll question

[opaque sigil]

I am kinda ambivalent about damage scaling tools

[rancid salmon]

That was part of the Nvidia leak from like a year or so ago, right ?

[vivid belfry]

what's your preferred method of tool damage scaling?
A) separate upgrade path like spells
B) direct scaling with needle damage
C) no scaling and you just stop using old tools

[opaque sigil]

On one hand it would keep them viable, on the other not damage scaling would encourage players to utilize new tools

[vivid belfry]

I think the niches of different tools should be enough to keep all of them in rotation depending on what part of the game you're in, like the relics in shovel knight

[opaque sigil]

Separate upgrade path for all tools maybe, not for individual tools. Scaling with needle damage would probably be fine mechanically but it is pretty gamey. No scaling could also work if there are enough tools that most use cases are accounted for at all stages of the game

[vivid belfry]

flare wand is objectively weaker than the horn, but it never stops being useful because it's cheap and easy to land hits (like a certain only active tool we've seen in action)

[snow sigil]

I think its nice to have at least some individual upgrades

[vivid belfry]

so I don't think tools out-classing each other in terms of damage is a problem, just tools as a whole being less consistently useful than needle and skills

[opaque sigil]

Eh the system favoring some tools mechanically fundamentally is dubious

Special treatment for tools would be weird

[snow sigil]

like some general ones but each specific tool might get its own specific upgrades or small tree

[vivid belfry]

I don't think it would be a problem for the buzzsaw to outdamage the straight pin because you're so unlikely to get all of the hits in, especially against bosses (plus things like maximum ammo capacity to make weaker tools more consistently available)

[opaque sigil]

Well even with damage scaling some tools could outclass others in terms of damage

[vivid belfry]

yeah, and I think that's fine

[snow sigil]

well maybe some tools are better for one enemy while others are crowd control

[vivid belfry]

the automatic homing robots should do less damage than a tool with a weird-ass flight path that's hard to consistently hit

[opaque sigil]

Having all tools deal the same damage would be a nonsensical choice

[snow sigil]

tru

[vivid belfry]

like I think it's a safe bet that the triple pin will do more damage than the straight pin, but only if you can consistently land all 3

[snow sigil]

i mean buzzsaw is basically like a consistently multihit vengeful spirit but only on the ground

[vivid belfry]

and even if it does less damage with more likely missed shots, the area denial is still useful against flying enemies

[vague warren]

unpopular opinion: glowing womb is good

[snow sigil]

if you build for it, sure

[true vine]

do you all think that tools are grouped by how they're applied (passive effect, trap, etc) or their purpose (damage, health, etc)

[elfin swift]

grouped by vibe and mood

[snow sigil]

i think itd be more like a punnet square (Vibe and mood would be a separate grouping)

[vague warren]

it is nice for bosses like mantis lords where there are few chances to heal or if you are doing a nail only build its nice for a use of soul

[opaque sigil]

If you have to sink more resources into glowing womb in order to make it serviceable that does not reflect well on it

[opaque sigil]

Nail builds have much better uses for those notches

[vague warren]

unless ur doing radiant and you overcharm

only so many nail charms

[opaque sigil]

It has better use for overcharm too

[snow sigil]

sometimes its also fun to not think about being too optimal

[vague warren]

idk i just like passive damage charms

[opaque sigil]

QS, US, SB, MOP, NMG, all of these are much, much better than glowing womb

[snow sigil]

like yeah its good but if you have fun with other ways to doing something, you should stick with what you like

[vague warren]

whats sb

[opaque sigil]

steady body

[vague warren]

o yea

[opaque sigil]

I'm not saying that you shouldn't use glowing womb, just that it isn't good

[snow sigil]

the only thing i dont like about glowing womb is the drain on soul

[vague warren]

i wish soul eater was 3 notches instead of 4 its so great

[opaque sigil]

You don't have to (and shouldn't) feel forced to play optimally, but that doesn't mean the things you use are good

Good and fun are different

[snow sigil]

thats why i love randomizers with random charm notches

[vivid belfry]

soul eater is by far the most efficient soul generation charm for its cost, even with 4

[uncut citrus]

then you get 6 notch QS and your soul DIE

[vague warren]

soul catcher doo doo fart

[vivid belfry]

past the first 99 soul, it DOUBLES soul gain

[opaque sigil]

Well it doesn't have much competition

Not too many soul generation charms for 4

[snow sigil]

thats when you go for other builds lmao

[vivid belfry]

I'm counting spell twister as a "soul generation" charm and by "for its cost" I mean the ratio of soul gain per notch

[uncut citrus]

NO YOU DONT

[opaque sigil]

Fair enough ig

But the fact that you necessarily commit more notches to soul generation with soul eater than other charms is also a drawback

[vague warren]

i feel like if spell twister worked for focusing it would be the best charm

[opaque sigil]

Yes it may be more efficient but you can't leverage that increased efficiency for the same cost as other charms

[vague warren]

along with quick focus thatd be so great

[uncut citrus]

QS is life :quick_slash: (i hate how that doesnt work now)

[vivid belfry]

soul eater is the only soul gain charm you need, and you can dedicate the rest to spell damage or healing to use that fuckton of soul

[opaque sigil]

You can

[vague warren]

soul eater plus spell twister for ddark cheese is incredible

[opaque sigil]

But that doesn't make my statement less true

Soul Eater is not a very viable choice for anything except a spell focused build, since it requires so much commitment

[vague warren]

and maybe kingsoul

[opaque sigil]

Kingsoul is useless

[vivid belfry]

exact numbers:
Soul Catcher: 27% increase in soul gain (extra 3 per hit base 11)
Spell Twister: Effective 33% increase in soul gain (assumes all soul is used on spells and none on healing)
Soul Eater: 72: increase in soul gain (extra 8 per hit base 11, increased by 36% per 2 notches)

[vague warren]

kingsoul doodoo fart tho

[vivid belfry]

this doesn't factor in shit like the extra soul globes, which makes spell twister even less effective by comparison

[shy stirrup]

so is soul catcher overall better than spell twister?

[vague warren]

the ONLY fight that kingsoul has proven to be of any use is probably the collector

[vivid belfry]

I wouldn't say so

[vague warren]

or maybe elder hu when he disappears for the annoying attack

elder hu worst boss

[vivid belfry]

soul catcher's increase to soul gain drops from 3 to 2 with a base of 6 when you get above 99 (so hits go from 6 to 8 with an effective 33% gain)

[opaque sigil]

That ignores the relative cost. It's a 72% soul gain for 4 notches, so to compare to soul catcher or spell twister it's more like 36%

[vivid belfry]

I put that in my statement

[vague warren]

numbers are dumb just play the game and choose good charm or bad charm

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but in a misleading spot

You positioned it as though that was what was comparable to the other efficiency gains

[vivid belfry]

basically, spell twister is only worse than soul catcher if you suck at using spells

[opaque sigil]

When comparing it based on notch cost is more fair

[vivid belfry]

I mean, you can still see that it's more

[opaque sigil]

It's more but not by that much

[vivid belfry]

and I also neglected to mention that above 99 soul, the increase jumps from 72% to 100%

[opaque sigil]

And using soul eater requires more resource allocation compared to other charms

[vague warren]

if i could add one charm to hk id add a charm that cuts down the cool down of spells so you could spam them faster

[vivid belfry]

you get double soul gain past the first 3 slots

[vague warren]

itd probably be 3 or 4 notches tho because bullying bosses

[vivid belfry]

there's already basically no cooldown what

[opaque sigil]

Quick cast is hella fast

[vague warren]

but faster

[opaque sigil]

Why

[vague warren]

fast

[vivid belfry]

the most significant cooldown of spell spamming is waiting for the soul to drain from the secondary soul vessels to the main one

[opaque sigil]

You can already cast pretty much as quickly as the animation goes

[vivid belfry]

you can only get in 3 (or 4 with spell twister) before waiting for a few seconds

[vague warren]

but i need to go faster to bully flukemarm harder

[opaque sigil]

You're more limited by your own ability to time casts than the cooldown

If there even is a cooldown

Never really tried but I wouldn't be surprised if you can cast on the frame after the first spell ends

[ruby oriole]

Is it weird that i'm more hyped for silksong now than when i was during the 2019 trailer reveal?

[coarse leaf]

Yeah

[ruby oriole]

like, we kind of started to appreciate the little things, like screenshots

[vague warren]

what if i want to cast a spell during a spell tho

[opaque sigil]

cope

[ruby oriole]

after viewing the trailer again for like, the 20th time, we start to notice little things

[vague warren]

same

[coarse leaf]

no

[gray swift]

not weird, but ironic, since we've had nothing new to be excited about for a long time

[ruby oriole]

if we trust what graig said after the Game awards, by now TC is just cranking content in SS

[opaque sigil]

They've been making content all along

[ruby oriole]

and i doubt graig is trolling this time because he got CALLED OUT FOR IT after starting a war in this discord

[ruby oriole]

yes, i'm aware, otherwise it wouldnt be a game

what i mean is stuff like items, new npcs, enemies and quests.

[gray swift]

even team cherry are trolling what has the world become

[ruby oriole]

bro graig is known for trolling, tf are you talking about

[opaque sigil]

Which they've been making all along

[opaque sigil]

I know

They've been adding content the entire time

[ruby oriole]

they're just making the game bigger

[opaque sigil]

As they have been all along

[shell yacht]

rule #1
take nothing graig says seriously

[ruby oriole]

ok

i'm sorry, but he literally started a discord war and got called out multiple times.

[shell yacht]

and here you are quoting him

[gray swift]

he got called out for trolling?

[ruby oriole]

yes, he did

[coarse leaf]

rule #2
don't make jokes about ss not being real

[opaque sigil]

He made some jokes about tga which (despite his explicitly stating he knew nothing about it) got him death threats and shit

[shell yacht]

when people believe every word he says, even the obvious bullshit,people will get butthurt over their own assumptions

[coarse leaf]

I dreamt that we got a release date
it was feb 13th

[ruby oriole]

look, i just don't think he would be lying this time, mostly because it would actually affect marketing

[shell yacht]

how in the fuck does a graig shitpost affect marketing

[ruby oriole]

no not liek that

[opaque sigil]

Graig doesn't always shitpost, he is genuine sometimes

[shadow tendon]

Bc it just does

[ruby oriole]

fuck, let me explain myself

[opaque sigil]

In this instance context suggests he was not trolling

[ruby oriole]

thank you tammo

[vague warren]

whats tga

[shadow tendon]

Nah

[shell yacht]

context being chat was fucking insane?

[opaque sigil]

context being he just apologized for trolling and was being serious

[shadow tendon]

Sure

[coarse leaf]

[gray swift]

the game awards

[shell yacht]

who are you

[ruby oriole]

they had to lockdown the discord server

[shell yacht]

[opaque sigil]

They didn't lock any channels

[shadow tendon]

Me

[opaque sigil]

Not that I saw at least

[shell yacht]

this is the kinda misinformation yall just feed yourselves and then get pissed at TC for later

[opaque sigil]

what is

[shell yacht]

we barely even touched slowmode on tga

[opaque sigil]

Image perms were disabled

[shell yacht]

weve been doing that for months

[opaque sigil]

And the measures mods took to prevent bad shit aren't related to TC at all

[shell yacht]

precisely

[opaque sigil]

Even if a channel had been locked (which has happened in the past) it wouldn't matter

[shell yacht]

so whos the they involved in locking down a discord

[opaque sigil]

Mods and admins

[shell yacht]

[cunning geode]

last TGA some of us just sat and watched it together

[shadow tendon]

[gray swift]

yeah nothing happened at the tga

[opaque sigil]

Who else would the "they" mean

[cunning geode]

obama prolly

[tribal schooner]

I feel like we spend a lot of time just complaining about one group or another. I get that there is bad behavior on both sides but what’s the point in ranting about it. The mods do their thing and nothing more really needs to be said does it?

[shell yacht]

thanks obama

[cunning geode]

mods rant about each other enough anyways

[shadow tendon]

Cool

[opaque sigil]

If people got death threats then maybe this isn't a matter to both sides it

[gray swift]

who got death threats

[opaque sigil]

Graig for one

[gray swift]

thats just sad

[feral tusk]

Twitter mentallity

[shadow tendon]

America it's great but also not really

[shadow tendon]

No one likes Twitter

[feral tusk]

Exactly

[opaque sigil]

To equate clown spam with literal death threats is unreasonable

Both are bad, one is much, much worse

[shell yacht]

[shadow tendon]

Prob just some people who want ss to come out sooner but don't realize how long coding takes

[quartz arrow]

I am excited to play ss hopefully in a month

[opaque sigil]

I don't care why they did it

There's no excuse

[shell yacht]

one side is unreasonable hype based on rumors and literal nothing most often
the other is people grounded in reality laughing at those idiots
one is bad

[opaque sigil]

Being a dick is bad, even if it's correct

[shadow tendon]

There's being a dick and just a complete asshole

[tawdry valley]

I do not laugh at the people who are sad there isn’t news

[sage glade]

why isn't there any sacred date in january 😩

[serene chasm]

January is a lame month that no one cares about

[tawdry valley]

I laugh at the morons who manage to work themselves up into rage and spite- from exclusively their own expectations

[shadow tendon]

Bc y does there need to be

[vivid belfry]

me when the dragon king from goblet grotto didn't make it into smash

[sage glade]

cos it's a whole month where i don't get to snort copium

[tawdry valley]

Behold, a real clown:

[opaque sigil]

Yes that is silly

[shadow tendon]

Coding takes time man

[cunning geode]

silksong-centric worldview

[opaque sigil]

That's not even about silksong taking time, it's what wombat said

[tawdry valley]

I still want to talk about how sora the top of every single poll Nintendo released for “who do you want in smash” and the smash community still got upset

[odd plover]

February

[shell yacht]

december

[sage glade]

june

[opaque sigil]

I don't think anything will satisfy the smash community as a whole

[tawdry valley]

This is not my message I’m screenshotting.

[shadow tendon]

Hmm interesting I didn't read it all bc It was so long

[odd plover]

Oromi

[tawdry valley]

Fighting game community is unfortunately largely eh, but whatever

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that can happen with competitive games

[cunning geode]

why didnt we get sol badguy in smash smh

honestly sora was a fine addition that makes a lot of sense

[coarse leaf]

TK in Smash when??

[copper knot]

i hope this isnt talking about that nintendo direct where the last one is omori

[coarse leaf]

I mean, there's no reason to hate that direct

[sage glade]

it would be better if they didn't touch gg at all cause there would be a non zero chance they add axl

[odd plover]

Exactly

[shell yacht]

it was before that, and they say "oh one more thing" like every time. the clowns are the ones thinking they are right in expecting silksong

[tawdry valley]

They didn’t say anything about SS news being in it and then there wasn’t any. 😠

[vivid belfry]

Hornet took one sip of Orange Joe and all her organs dissolved

[copper knot]

bitches who complain about how the last game isnt silksong should try omori

[vivid belfry]

weakling

[shell yacht]

no

omori lame

[copper knot]

ur lame!!!

[sage glade]

orange joe who?

[shadow tendon]

Nice

[vivid belfry]

orange joe mama

[copper knot]

joe deez nuts

[sage glade]

shit walked into that one boys

[coarse leaf]

I already know Omori's lore and I don't really want to spend 20 hours just to know the lore again

[shadow tendon]

Try that with real women tell me how it works out

[cunning geode]

orange joe glad i didn't say ligma

[tawdry valley]

Omori lore:

That’s it.

[vivid belfry]

Omori Lore: pet rocks

[shell yacht]

whos steve jobs

[shadow tendon]

No

[sage glade]

someone related to tim apple

[ocean osprey]

he's the final boss of ss

[coarse leaf]

Tbh, it's a good lore, but I'm not really interested in the RPG formula of the game

[tawdry valley]

Ligma balls

[sage glade]

i did the same lol. the game felt like a complete drag to me

[vivid belfry]

I love this edit

[coral glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT5YUNwEsYs

[signal trellis]

guys

[coral glacier]

no news today but tomorrow for sure

[vivid belfry]

I've replayed omori like 6 times for the achievements

[signal trellis]

is silksong -> feb 1st?

[odd plover]

Perhaps some people need to hear this

Silksong is not the only upcoming game in the world

[vivid belfry]

my one complaint is that the text skip isn't nearly as fast as deltarune

[tawdry valley]

Undertale has lots of playthrough achievments, yeah

[signal trellis]

seems fake to me

[vivid belfry]

what

[polar marsh]

I’m waiting for silksong and have a nice death

[coral glacier]

theres also crowsworn but thats in 2023

[coarse leaf]

But Undertale has different routes with different dialogue and stuff

[odd plover]

Elder rign

[coral glacier]

elder ring? never heard of it, probably bad game

[tawdry valley]

Undertale = Omori
Haha funny.
That’s the only joke I make when people talk about omori

[odd plover]

Oh shit I had forgotten about that game

[tawdry valley]

And people still bite.

[vivid belfry]

see if you had compared it to earthbound I would have thought you might be sincere

also Omori also has alternate routes with different dialogue and stuff

[tawdry valley]

Earthbound is just a shitty undertale ripoff though

[vivid belfry]

not wrong

[tawdry valley]

Even the music sounds ripped.

[coarse leaf]

I mean, yeah, but it's not something like Undertale Pacifist Route & Genocide Route

[sage glade]

gow for pc is out
i'm satisfied for a month or two now

[coral glacier]

what is GOW?

[vivid belfry]

it totally is though

[sage glade]

god of war 2018

[coral glacier]

i see

[vivid belfry]

there are two major routes for omori that have profound effects on the endgame content and story

[coral glacier]

is there any combat in Omori?

[true vine]

have they announced the god of war ragnarok release date yet

[coarse leaf]

Yeah

[sage glade]

ofc. it's a turn based rpg

[vivid belfry]

the difference is that genocide is shitty on purpose

[coral glacier]

wait I thought it was a story game thing

[vivid belfry]

and Omori's bad end route just makes you feel shitty for story reasons instead of being tedious

[sage glade]

it's like undertale

[coral glacier]

hmmmmmm are there hard bosses?

[opaque sigil]

Omori has combat but it's kinda lackluster

[vivid belfry]

there are two hard bosses in omori

[coral glacier]

is sans in omori?

[sage glade]

no but the creators of the two games did help each other in the other game. i was surprised to see their names in the credits

[vivid belfry]

toby fox made a christmas album for Omori

[coarse leaf]

Oh yeah, Toby Fox helped making Omori

[copper knot]

only the music

[vivid belfry]

Danny Baranowsky made a surf rock album for Nuclear Throne

[sage glade]

name seems familiar. creator of crypt of the necrodancer ost?

[vivid belfry]

Jukio Kallio mugged me behind the KFC

[coarse leaf]

But honest question, why is Omori hated so much?

[serene chasm]

It is?

[vivid belfry]

COTN, Super Meat Boy, and flash Isaac most famously

[sage glade]

it's cause of the fans, not the content. as is the case with hated franchises most of the time

[vivid belfry]

it's an indie rpgmaker game with turn based combat, what more justification do you need

[sage glade]

oh shit. must be nice then. his work is stellar

[cunning geode]

yeah and its awesome https://open.spotify.com/track/3pFyxZZUJ2Rd70e5AIfUzf?si=b1790773501249db

[vivid belfry]

yeah, it's been a while since he put something out unfortunately

[serene chasm]

Danny's and Edmond's falling apart is the worst thing to happen to gaming

[open abyss]

Really relative video to all this Silksong situation. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZUtuRPZyGU&t=0s

[cunning geode]

this theme is jukio kallio working with danny b though, im unaware of the surf rock album

[copper knot]

also in deltarune chapter 2 release stream he said "shoutout to basil from omori" and im angry not a lot of people mentioned that

[vivid belfry]

I was just talking about that song, as a meme

[cunning geode]

epic

[vivid belfry]

because the christmas album I mentioned is just an in-game CD with one song on it

[sage glade]

who is edmond? not joking

[vivid belfry]

Eggmund McMuffin

[coarse leaf]

Also, this reminds me that I actually got a DVD of the Super Mario Galaxy soundtrack

Unfortunately, I don't have a DVD reader, so

[shadow tendon]

I have a wii and super Mario galaxy

[coarse leaf]

I only played Galaxy 2, I've never played the first one

[shadow tendon]

I don't know if I have galaxy 2 or 1 I can't remember

[coarse leaf]

Well, there was Yoshi in the game?

[shadow tendon]

I just remember going through alot of batteries

[coarse leaf]

But do you remember anything from the game?

[serene chasm]

Edmond MacMillan. The guy who made Super Meat Boy and Binding of Isaac. Danny Baranowski made the music for a lot of his games, and they fit perfectly. Sadly something happened (Im not interested in drama so not sure what) and now they dont work together

[true vine]

I used to play super mario galaxy 2 at my friend's house using their wii, good times

[shadow tendon]

Yeah it was a mario game

[coarse leaf]

SMG2 was such a good game, but I played it as a child, so I have a lot of nostalgia for it but I don't exactly remember everything from it

[sage glade]

that's sad, rip

[tardy orbit]

Nuclear throne music is goated

[sage glade]

i liked super meat boy. didn't even know it was by edmond and danny

[tardy orbit]

Surf rock beats to die 10000 times to

[vivid belfry]

as far as I know it was just a disagreement about payment

[coarse leaf]

I tried to 100% Super Meat Boy at some point, I just gave up on that bcz of joycons

[vivid belfry]

get yourself some WD40 Electrical Content cleaner

I spray that shit under the analog stick caps every few months and it totally removed the drift (for a few months)

[coarse leaf]

Oh, it's not bcz of the drift, it's just bcz they're too tiny for my hands

[vivid belfry]

I relate

[serene chasm]

I could not comprehend play SMB with joycons

[coarse leaf]

And when I need to make precise movements with it, it just makes my hands suffer pain

[sage glade]

don't joycons have dpads?

[vague warren]

drift is worse on ps4 controllers than joycons

[vivid belfry]

I got the SMB dark world ending with keyboard controls, and SMB has awful keyboard controls

[coarse leaf]

It doesn't

[sage glade]

makes sense. you have to maintain the symmetry of the two sides ig

[coarse leaf]

Mhm

[vivid belfry]

it has 4 buttons that work like a D-pad would

but the fact that you can't smoothly slide between directions trips people up

[coarse leaf]

I mean, I already beat P5 while using joycon's d-pad, so it isn't really the worst thing in the world

[opaque sigil]

The joycon arrow buttons are fine

[coarse leaf]

Yeah

[shadow tendon]

Switch players on the daily

[coarse leaf]

But really, this year I'm getting a Pro Controller no matter what

[vague warren]

i didnt even know hollow knight was on the switch

[coarse leaf]

[shadow tendon]

[vague warren]

i cant even do p3

[coarse leaf]

Mainly bcz of joycon drift & bcz it's too small for me in general

[sage glade]

practice in hall of gods

p3 was harder than p4 for me

[coarse leaf]

Like, Joycon Drift isn't the worst thing for me, since it's kinda regular tbh

[vague warren]

gpz and sentinel hornet are doodoo

havent even gotten to sly

[sage glade]

you gotta grind gpz a looooot. i'd beaten him 7 times to get the golden statue before but even then he kicked my ass in p3

[lost coyote]

happy birthday to daily silksong news

[strange pawn]

https://youtu.be/pT5YUNwEsYs

[shell yacht]

[lost coyote]

[strange pawn]

🎉

[rapid topaz]

[mint valve]

has anyone here seen those horrible dubs for fan comics probably made by a 15 year old. They completely undermine the lore. But this is just love for the game

[maiden gulch]

when 🙂

[shadow tendon]

I'm waiting for it patiently

[coarse leaf]

It's just funny how since DSN was created, there wasn't a single SS news

[mint valve]

[lost coyote]

team cherry saw the channel and was like "wouldn't it be fucking hilarious if we just"

[coarse leaf]

So yes, DSN created a curse for everyone in the HK Community

[sage glade]

he should stop counting

[coarse leaf]

Tbf, if I was TC, I would do the same thing

[lost coyote]

he should stop doing it then we'd get news the next day

araraura is ruining it for all of us

[coarse leaf]

Nah, he needs to continue this quest

[gilded adder]

Didn't Edge happen during DSN?

[strange pawn]

They have to release news eventually

[mint valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZHwjklpueI&ab_channel=ZeronBlaster

[lost coyote]

there has never been a day with "yes" on the thumbnail so idk if he counted it

[coarse leaf]

Edge was in 31st December

[strange pawn]

Not direct doesn't count

[coarse leaf]

He created his channel in 15th January, 2021

[mint valve]

today?

[coarse leaf]

Exactly

[strange pawn]

What the hell is this

I looked in the comments and the first thing I saw was "Hornet x ghost ship"

[shadow tendon]

Aids

[mint valve]

😧 it really is a bunch of 15 year old girls

[coarse leaf]

Shall we discuss about something that isn't cursed?

[mint valve]

like silksong.

[lost coyote]

let's discuss the kingdom of hallownest- no wait that's cursed

cursed with infection

[mint valve]

with that logic SS is also cursed because the silk haunting pharloom

[lost coyote]

noooo

[gray swift]

who is the ghost

[mint valve]

its a ghost SHIP.

[gray swift]

i don't understand, when you say ghost, do you mean the way hornet refers to the knight?

[mint valve]

aren't they related because pale king. ( hornet not void)

[gray swift]

so what you're telling me is they're shipping the knight and hornet?

[mint valve]

[gray swift]

not to be rude but you're really good at not giving me a straight answer

[mint valve]

yes

[sage glade]

it's the knight

[gray swift]

okay

[mint valve]

oh no. Incest. why

[opaque sigil]

Sometimes people who pay zero attention to the game ship hornet and the knight because they know nothing about either character

[sage glade]

i had a dude tell me he ships tanjiro and nezuko

[mint valve]

still doesn't make it any better

[gray swift]

most of those people would probably continue to ship said characters while knowing both characters

[opaque sigil]

It doesn't make it better but it's born more from nescience than aught else

[mint valve]

true

[opaque sigil]

That can also happen but it's more stupid than just having incomplete information

[strange pawn]

They do know, read the comments you'll see some horrible shit in there

[mint valve]

Remember 15 year old girls are accepting of every racial stand point

[opaque sigil]

Probably outliers, usually when people suggest it as a viable thing they change their minds when it is stated that Hornet and TK are siblings

[gray swift]

i just looked at one of the comments, some joke about hornet being "hallownestian" one guy said hornet was from deepnest and another said "isn't deepnest also part of hallownest"

[sage glade]

what does this mean

[gray swift]

you probably don't want to know

[sage glade]

perhaps

[sage glade]

"yeah that's on earth, dipshit!"

[snow sigil]

if you want to generalize, im sure 73 year old men can be accepting of every racial stand point too

[vivid belfry]

colonialism apologists

[serene chasm]

What is even going on?

[vivid belfry]

idk I just got here

[opaque sigil]

Just don't

[serene chasm]

Sounds like thats for the best

[serene chasm]

so how bout them tools?

[opaque sigil]

snessel moment

[sage glade]

so is this a tool

[vivid belfry]

not necessarily

[sage glade]

or does it represent the crest

[opaque sigil]

Doesn't really look like one but mechanically seems to have similar use

[strange pawn]

Some of these tools look interesting

[snow sigil]

might represent different needle attacks or smthing

[vivid belfry]

the icon of this part of the inventory is a crest, and the word "tool" doesn't seem to be present anywhere

[strange pawn]

The purple one looks a bit like baldurs shell

[opaque sigil]

Whatever it is the layout of the UI suggests it's placed in a crest

And in a manner similar to tools

[stark estuary]

That's the Dream Nail

[sage glade]

oh yeah true. i never thought about hornet being able to swap out whole ass moves

[vivid belfry]

so tools might not even be accurate terminology for most of the equipable items

[opaque sigil]

Probably accurate for red/blue/yellow

[vivid belfry]

I feel like the icon in the center of the crest is somehow correlated to the string and needle selected in the upper right of the screen

[opaque sigil]

It would seem so

[serene chasm]

It is possible the the silk spells like silk spear or gossamer storm have to be equipped

[vivid belfry]

because otherwise that item just doesn't show up on the crest for some reason

[strange pawn]

Thats kind of odd like lore wise
"I can only do this special kind of kick after sitting on a bench and swapping it out for a different kind of kick"

[vivid belfry]

we already know that silk spear is necessary for progression so I'm gonna say doubt

[opaque sigil]

It is but I hate that possibility so I choose to ignore it!

[opaque sigil]

Depends on whether it's needed more than once

If it's only needed once early on when it's the only ability you have then that would circumvent the obvious downsides to the system

[vivid belfry]

plus having your number of skills be dependent on slots instead of just multiple directional inputs seems hugely limiting

[opaque sigil]

Indeed it does

[mint valve]

god I just remembered liza koshy video. her constantly screaming. This fandom is way more relaxed than a fan base like undertale where they put a needle in your cookie for making a mod they disliked.

[opaque sigil]

I don't want it to work that way because it seems bad, but it could

It could also be that the white slots are ability modifications or something, and you don't have to actually choose between abilities themselves

Like if you could choose between shade soul, ddark, and abyss shriek but still retain the base forms of all spells (ofc it would probably not be so boring as damage upgrades but similar idea)

[sage glade]

reminds me of an xqc clip. he talks about how overwatch makes no sense. how lucio can only point his finger and swing it around to get a speed boost. but he can only do it every 10 seconds. he is just unable to move his hand for 10 whole seconds

[vivid belfry]

flukenest...
TWO

[opaque sigil]

Sure like that

[coarse leaf]

Unable to point his finger for ten seconds*

[vivid belfry]

I think having hornet's riposte change from a forward lunge to a flurry rush like Lace's would be a cool modification

[mint valve]

Look at top of screen. we can see picture of needle

[opaque sigil]

I am aware

That's the reason why I'm pretty sure it's not crest dependent

[vivid belfry]

the only instances of hornet tying her string to her needle are the silk spear and grappling hook, and you KNOW they're not making a core movement ability equippable

[opaque sigil]

It could be a permutation of the silk spear

[sage glade]

make more nfts

[opaque sigil]

Throw and return or something

[vivid belfry]

based on the icon I think it would be cool if it just buffs it by making it wider

[opaque sigil]

Buffs silk spear or grapple?

[vivid belfry]

silk spear

[strange pawn]

One thing that annoyed me is that there were no directional nail arts. I wonder if we'll get that with Hornet's abilities but we can only equip one at once.

[opaque sigil]

Wider as in longer range?

[vivid belfry]

and by wider I mean hitting above and below, not going further

[coarse leaf]

Nft of one of the Kidnappers, do not screenshot

[vivid belfry]

it already has pretty great range

[opaque sigil]

idk how that icon suggests a larger vertical range

[serene chasm]

[opaque sigil]

(the unequipped one, that is)

[vivid belfry]

I'm talking about the icon on the crest

[opaque sigil]

Then yeah totally could increase size of the ability

[vivid belfry]

the symbol in the inventory and the symbol on the crest are different, which suggests to me that the enhancement property is crest dependent

[opaque sigil]

They wouldn't have to be the same not to be

The menu shows unequipped tools too

[sage glade]

also, i never noticed these tabs. any idea what the 1st and 3rd one are?

[strange pawn]

Just posting this here so i dont have to scroll all the way back everytime someone posts a new msg

[mint valve]

OH MY GOSH. HOW MUCH

[serene chasm]

Inventory and Journal most likely

[opaque sigil]

And placing that icon there is weird since it suggests similar interactions to the equippable tools, when swapping the crests is done with y

[coarse leaf]

Twenty bucks

[sage glade]

oh just like hk

[opaque sigil]

Unless that icon is not bound to crests, there's hardly much point in having that menu there at the top of the tool selection menu

[strange pawn]

Inventory, crest, collectables?, map

[vivid belfry]

1st one is definitely inventory, third could have journal but definitely has quests

I can't think of any other reason for a notification icon

[serene chasm]

I guess. I do think the inventory in SS will be more like an actual inventory. Not just stuff you collected

[opaque sigil]

HJ had similar icons for new entries iirc

[stark estuary]

Hornet has new messages on Silkcord

[vivid belfry]

I guess, but also the icon is the pharloom crest, which is most often used in conversation with NPCs

[sage glade]

hk had a blue circle on new journal entries

[vivid belfry]

in the UI, anyway

[opaque sigil]

True. My thought is that the same tab could include both quests and the bestiary

[vivid belfry]

yeah I don't see why not, they are similar recordkeeping tools

[sage glade]

you guys think maybe the use count can be increased? i don't see any reason to include the number like that on there

[vivid belfry]

wait a minute am I fucking stupid

[opaque sigil]

Well the reason to include the number is to tell you how many uses you have

[mint valve]

no SS news. bye

[stark estuary]

k

[vivid belfry]

this might be objective evidence that you can increase the hold count, since you have a max of ten in the demo (unless they just buffed the starting count)

[opaque sigil]

They could well have

[sage glade]

it shows on the description as well as on your hud. but showing on the crest itself seems like different

[vivid belfry]

but I think 10 was a nice round number for the cost of 4 shards per pin

-40 feels better to me than -48

[gray swift]

doesn't seem like something that wouldn't exist

[opaque sigil]

On the crest it's easier at a glance, you don't have to select in the menu. On the HUD it's a wheel, could be hard to tell exactly, and you definitely can't tell how many uses there are from a full wheel

[gray swift]

it would make sense, you can increase your soul vessels to use spells more, so why not increase the amount of weapons you can hold at a time

[vivid belfry]

yeah, buffing needle and skills without buffing tools doesn't seem likely to me

[sage glade]

so much flexibility

[vivid belfry]

(aside from passive tools obviously)

[opaque sigil]

Upgraded tool use per bench does seem like a reasonable upgrade (although crests with multiple red slots do kinda already do that)

[strange pawn]

These are obviously the same tool but wondering how it'll work? Cant work the same way in ss as it did in hk obvs

[vivid belfry]

well crests are supposed to be sidegrades, so I wouldn't call it the same thing exactly

[opaque sigil]

It's similar

Works pretty much the same really, except Hornet throws them out

[vivid belfry]

same general principle, except it extends the spikes in an area of effect on impact (there might also be a timer?)

[gray swift]

i don't see why it wouldn't, an obstacle for your opponent, also able to be hit to launch it in a direction

[sage glade]

imagine you get damaged by your own trap

[strange pawn]

Maybe you click once to throw it, click another to freeze it in place?

[gray swift]

it's possible

[vivid belfry]

or it could react to enemies getting close enough for the extension to hit them

[opaque sigil]

Would be weirder if you couldn't get damaged by it, especially if things like pimpillo let you hurt yourself

[sage glade]

really? where have we seen that?

[opaque sigil]

No but it's a bomb and the description says it's deadly to friends and foes alike

[vivid belfry]

pimpillo is implied to deal self-damage based on the description, but we've seen hornet literally bounce off her own spike balls to gain height

[sage glade]

oh

makes sense

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah but that's pogoing, you can pogo on things that would hurt you on contact

[strange pawn]

I mean you can't damage yourself in hk soooo

[opaque sigil]

HK didn't have bombs like pimpillo

[vivid belfry]

idk, pimpillo dealing self-damage seems much more like a balance decision than anything for the sake of realism

[tawdry valley]

You can’t grapple in HK either, so we can assume the trailer is cgi

[vivid belfry]

the spike trap doesn't look like it could take out a crowd of bugs from a distance

[opaque sigil]

Perhaps but spike traps damaging you also make sense as a balance decision

[opaque sigil]

It's an obstacle you create, why should you be immune to it

[vivid belfry]

why? a platforming tool dealing self-damage if you mistime it would feel incredible frustrating

[strange pawn]

._.

[opaque sigil]

Pogo is forgiving timing wise

[vivid belfry]

the spike trap being static isn't as powerful as you think it is

[opaque sigil]

I'm not saying it's powerful

[vivid belfry]

so if it's not especially powerful, why is it balanced to make it hurt you

[viral orchid]

Silksong news?

[stark estuary]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[strange pawn]

No silksong news

[heavy trellis]

Any news?

[opaque sigil]

Because spikes hurt

[vivid belfry]

bosses don't get hit by their own AOE attacks

[stark estuary]

?sspsa

[vivid belfry]

hornet doesn't take damage from her spike traps in hollow knight

[sage glade]

added an important detail

[vivid belfry]

having to swerve around your own attacks is an unnecessary level of micromanagement for something without a huge impact like a grenade

[strange pawn]

Imo Hornet's spike trap will likely have the same hitbix as an npc like Jinn where you can pogo on it but it wont hurt you.

[stark estuary]

[burnt topaz]

baldur shell is coming out

[vivid belfry]

honestly the pogoing off it doesn't seem like the most useful thing about it

[strange pawn]

Im being bullied for 2 red circles

[opaque sigil]

It's got some big aoe

[gray swift]

actually now that i think about it, you probably wouldn't be able to pogo the spike trap, otherwise you might be able to reach areas locked by movement abilities

[sage glade]

he doesn't wish to live in an isolated shell anymore

[vivid belfry]

mid-range circular AOE that might function as a motion trap is mad decent