sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

I mean even with experience in the game focusing can be a pain

[sweet bluff]

panic healing is

[cerulean sable]

oh im on 2 mask?

no worries, if i keep my tempo on, i can get my health back to tip top shape

i often see new players just give up once they reach 1-2 mask and they start fighting very sloppily

[sweet bluff]

silksong is blood borne for girls

[brittle garnet]

Focusing felt like a wrong puzzle piece that was forced into its place

[drowsy isle]

what do you think about the instant heal

[cerulean sable]

i think it was fine early on

but late game it felt more like a tip you give to someone in a restaurant

[sweet bluff]

…seriously?

[cerulean sable]

like healing is more like buying time, but if you fuck up, its gonna cost you even more time

yeah cr1tikal also had moments where hed try to force in a heal hoping he out heals the damage hes taking

then the moment he says "fuck healing, ill just focus on damaging them" is when he tends to play at his best

[drowsy isle]

Something I like about the instant heal is that healing used to be a passive risk (taking time to find a place that is safe for the next 2 seconds) to an active risk (trying to hit the boss many times without making the situation worse)

[opaque sigil]

You also have to find a window to bind, just a smaller one

If you get hit during it it's real bad

[modest night]

can't you heal midair with hornet?

fuck

you didn't see that

[opaque sigil]

Yes, but you are frozen momentarily

[sweet bluff]

mods demotion

[cerulean sable]

oh got damaged? find a fucking corner and hope you got the window right

get damaged in SS? better start playing better if you want to keep fighting

[opaque sigil]

It's not nearly as long as focusing, but binding does lock your movement for a few moments

[mortal grove]

imagine id healing midair to stall #progamermove

[cerulean sable]

its like eating in video games

where its an afterthought after a while that gives you a nasty reminder if you miss it

rather than it being interwined with the combat itself, thats just how i see it at least

[opaque sigil]

It also made you stop fighting altogether, which is a rhythm killer

[mortal grove]

i hope hornet isnt too complex for the game

[cerulean sable]

like, i get its easier, but goddamn, now i can keep the flow going instead of stopping the fight finding a time to heal like a musician who needs to use a bathroom during a highschool band concert

[brittle garnet]

Focusing is a total stop to combat to do something else
Binding is just another action that's a part of combat, like an attack

[cerulean sable]

yeah exactly

[modest night]

yeah i'm kinda excited to see if they nailed how fast the combat is gonna be, because i imagine that since you can heal midair and much faster the bosses will be a lot quicker too

[brittle garnet]

and it fits perfectly, because it gives you the ability to, for example:
When you dodge an attack and have a window to counterattack, you can just as well use that window to Bind, too

[cerulean sable]

the big thing means that bosses have less downtime

[opaque sigil]

And even though it's easier it allows for more aggressive enemies so the game overall doesn't have to be easier

[marsh ibex]

I want a pace breaking boss

I want a boss that grinds combat to a halt

[cerulean sable]

a lot of HK bosses has these obvious long winding openings because they want to give you a window to heal

but they started dropping that late game where bosses starts getting faster

[drowsy isle]

yoooo joker how are you?

[cerulean sable]

which is, imo where the bosses gets REALLY good

[marsh ibex]

Cheese

[opaque sigil]

But it also meant you basically just couldn't heal

[chrome wave]

The robot thing from the Forest of bones seems like Just the thing you want

[marsh ibex]

I also just ate an untoasted sandwich and bit into something crunchy

[cerulean sable]

funny thing is, most of the bosses that are my favorites in HK are bosses where healing is just an afterthought

[modest night]

yeah too bad the majority of bosses aren't like that, that's why i really like godhome since most good bosses are there

if ss doesn't have godhome like bosses i'll be very sad

because even normal radiance is a joke

[cerulean sable]

its not 100% useless, but i agree with the sentiment where healing becomes "kinda useless" with the harder bosses

[opaque sigil]

If the best bosses are the bosses where healing is all but impossible generally what does that say about the system

[cerulean sable]

like, its still a slip in of extra health dont get me wrong to prolong you

but it ends up being a very rare luxury in my case

[marsh ibex]

Rude

[wheat lintel]

i preferred finding times to heal rather than bosses that straight up gave you a clear opening for it

[modest night]

im right

[marsh ibex]

how does radiance feel from this slander

[chrome wave]

I kinda hope that if ss has a boss rush mode the radiant difficulty instant kill thing will not be included

[modest night]

normal radiance is on prozac and attacks extremely slowly

[cerulean sable]

like look at lace, she has less pauses because the combat system is tailored to her

[burnt compass]

I think a big reason why hk is pretty easy now is because we have fought against the same bosses for like 4 years now

[wheat lintel]

radiant has to come back in some form i need me a nohit mode for convenience

[modest night]

yeah

radiant is very fun

[cerulean sable]

her staggers are now heal and damage opportunities rather than "lets play bathroom break before the boss starts fucking me up again"

[marsh ibex]

cult this cult that

[opaque sigil]

I'm anti-pantheon-analogue in SS in the first place

[marsh ibex]

so many followers turned to the dark side

[chrome wave]

I liked it more when the instakill mechanic was exclusive to the hidden Dreams bosses

[signal crag]

boss rush specifically?
oh okay

[wheat lintel]

i liked the pantheons but i mean they arent necessary for me either

[opaque sigil]

Yes although radiant fights kinda have the same problem though not as much

[chrome wave]

I think that there should be a tool that makes hornet get instakilled by every hit of damage in Exchange for something

[brittle garnet]

in exchange you can't jump

[ornate fiber]

Who's more excited for fearless fox than silksong?

[wheat lintel]

that sacrifice means the reward would have to be something akin to oneshotting all enemies which is a bad power balance

[chrome wave]

Wait hk has something exactly like that, Fury of the fallen

[signal crag]

if we had an idea of what the hell FF is even about, we could make a discussion about it

[wheat lintel]

fotf has a different proc condition

[opaque sigil]

It's the same once it's activated

ie once you get down to one mask, one hit kills you

[coarse leaf]

Any 2d artists here? i need help making a silksong demake (hornetsong) cutscene

[signal crag]

and you can always heal if you don't feel confortable anymore

[chrome wave]

Its kinda fun to go throu the first three areas of hk without sitting on the benches and with fotf permamently active

[wheat lintel]

have a tool do that means youre always 1 hit away from death though

[cerulean sable]

and overall, insta healing now removes the frustration feedback loop of
start panicking > bad heal timing > get hit > try to panic heal even harder to make up lost health > get hit > lose health down near 1-2 masks > "im gonna lose this fight anyway, wtv"

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[ornate fiber]

Will probably focus more on platforming, way smaller in scale,

[cerulean sable]

with SS, getting damaged down to 1 health means youll end up fighting more like a cornered animal trying to stay alive

[marsh ibex]

mfw not going to art disc

[coarse leaf]

kk

[drowsy isle]

What do you really not want back in silksong

[signal crag]

that's kind of a wild guessing tho

[opaque sigil]

In HK getting damaged to one health means accepting your death

[velvet ruin]

Markoth

[wheat lintel]

no it means you can leave the shackles of health in the past and go psycho

[brittle garnet]

Pure Nail

[opaque sigil]

Boss rush and shoddy charm/tool balance

[velvet ruin]

Backtracking is like one of the defining aspects of metroidvanias lol

[chrome wave]

What kind of foul cringer wrote this blasphemy?

[cerulean sable]

cr1tikal stream really reminded me a lot of my early game experience lmao

you get hit once early, its a huge blow, get hit twice? yeah GG im never gonna recover from this

[sinful flare]

DONT LISTEN TO THEM BACK TRCAK AS YOU WNAT

[wheat lintel]

among us

[signal crag]

so....no weapon upgrades, or just the last one that's blatantly OP?

[brittle garnet]

just the last one

[chrome wave]

But backtracking is the Best darn part of the game

[opaque sigil]

I don't really have a problem with pure nail but ig I understand why people don't like it

[pallid flare]

i really hate what defines metroidvanias

[drowsy isle]

No can’t you read this random article? Backtracking is never an intentional feature in a game

[sinful flare]

same

[velvet ruin]

Every game journalist be like:
Things I do not want in Silksong

1. Gameplay

[chrome wave]

Has the writer of that article never played a video game before?

[fiery coral]

to be fair

[opaque sigil]

Does Jen count as a game journalist

[fiery coral]

people don't have to like one core aspect of a genre to like a game of that genre

[drowsy isle]

Saw an article once call Hollow Knight "the assassin’s creed of the indie market"

[chrome wave]

Who is jen

[wheat lintel]

ripping on game journalism is pointing at a flipped over insect and saying its useless

[opaque sigil]

Edge article writer

[chrome wave]

Dm that to me when you find it. It sounds absolutely horrendous, i wanna read it.

[nimble radish]

ok but the legs waving in the air

[mossy jolt]

helo

[opaque sigil]

Not all game journalists are bad

[haughty brook]

But there is not like a trillion sequels of HK so the comparison is bollocks

[nimble radish]

not yet

[chrome wave]

Most of them are

[fiery coral]

personally I do not enjoy the fact that roguelites make you start from the beginning every time, yet I play Hades because there's other stuff that draws me into it 🤷‍♂️

[opaque sigil]

No, it's just easy to point at the ones that are

[drowsy isle]

Forgot

[velvet ruin]

Wtflukemarm does HK have to do with Assassin's Creed

[chrome wave]

Dang it

[wheat lintel]

obviously they aint getting it but theyre kind forced to play shit in short periods of time that theyre not accustomed to and then need to write a detailed article on it afterwards its not a true reflection on the game sure but i dont like to blame the journalists themselves

[uncut citrus]

everybody knows you can 100% trust random articles, all of their writer have 300h on HK

[nimble radish]

theres a difference between that and saying Silksong shouldn't have backtracking

[mossy jolt]

true

[chrome wave]

Thats not that much hours

[opaque sigil]

Fair, but Hades and some newer entries do have fairly tangible progression even if you do have to start over spacially

[coarse leaf]

https://youtu.be/pVchwu1PCH0

i want someone to help me with this

pls.

[chrome wave]

What is this

[uncut citrus]

should be enough to do everything in one save

[cerulean sable]

Mask to Emotion Chart
Silksong
5 mask - lets fucking do this
4 mask - lol
3 mask - lol
2 mask - perfect time to heal
1 mask - calm down love im clutchin 😎

Hollow Knight
5 mask - hopefully i dont fuck up this time
4 mask - fuck
3 mask - this is going to absolute shit
2 mask - GG
1 mask - Google: steam forums lost kin impossible, how to beat lost kin, can you skip lost kin, lost kin cheese, HK invincibility glitch

[nimble radish]

FUCK lost kin

[brittle garnet]

truthfully, people don't know many good games journalists because they don't seek them out, and the bad ones get a lot of coverage, so they don't need to look for them to know about them.

[opaque sigil]

insert lost kin copypasta

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFrgdFb0WS0

[wheat lintel]

treat hp as a currency 😏

[chrome wave]

Dung deffender charm and thorns of agony make it into a joke

[lament lotus]

this is amazing

[coarse leaf]

Any 2d animators?

[haughty brook]

Really hoping we get more "dynamic" area changes in SS as we progress with both side questes and main quests.

[coarse leaf]

I need help.

[drowsy isle]

Organ market

[uncut citrus]

im pretty sure the edge's issue writer actually knew well about silksong and hollow knight so at least they didnt mess that up

[chrome wave]

Oh i am a very skilled 2d animator

[mossy jolt]

Joni's users:
Confused stonks?

[opaque sigil]

They teased more world responsiveness in Edge

[velvet ruin]

Imagine an EA metroidvania

[lament lotus]

which there are none

[fiery coral]

True, but I'm just saying people don't have to like what they feel is an excessive amount of backtracking, even if it is a Metroidvania

[mossy jolt]

To unlock Grimm dlc play 9.99$

[sweet bluff]

i do that in real life already

[coarse leaf]

abaddon is this u?

[velvet ruin]

"Wanna heal? Pay 5$ or get fucked"

[fiery coral]

#art-discussion is the place for that

[maiden forge]

I'm praying that silksong has something like godhome

[fiery coral]

It won't

[signal crag]

question is: is that amount of backtracking annoying enough for them to actually ruin the experience?

[haughty brook]

In which part? I don't remember well

[cerulean sable]

i think the complaints for "backtracking" is gonna be reduced if the movement is actually fun to traverse with early game

[coarse leaf]

Hornetsong has the hall of ___

[sweet bluff]

what about hades?

[opaque sigil]

“They vary across the world,” Gibson says, “and some of them are related to helping the residents** in seeing changes and evolution to the spaces that you inhabit.”** Pellen adds: “There’s more of that stuff happening this time – it’s quite a complex world.”

[fiery coral]

That's for them to answer, ha 😅

[cerulean sable]

like IMO the peak starts once you get wall climb

[chrome wave]

Pretty sure that the Deep socks demo kind of sort of teased that. Also the trailer.

[cerulean sable]

but majority is still gonna be spamming dash to traverse long corridors

[wheat lintel]

seconded for sure

[cerulean sable]

i am still mad at TC for uneven terrain stopping my CCdash

[fiery coral]

Writing, art, Greek myth

[sweet bluff]

true!

[signal crag]

and thanks TC SO MUCH that now you just have to hold the button to continue sprinting with Hornet

[sweet bluff]

damn you and your realistic terrain

[opaque sigil]

Not like that. Like the environment changes based on what you do, from context probably quests among other things

[chrome wave]

Holding the dash button to run is probs faster

[wheat lintel]

close condensed dash?? no way

[signal crag]

but that one will be only available in Silksong

[haughty brook]

Yeah, that part. I'm exited because I liked how some quests changed some dynamics and not to mention the Infected Crossroads event.

[nimble radish]

it's not even about liking it
they claimed that backtracking wasn't intentional and that silksong shouldn't have it
which is a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre

[opaque sigil]

The crossroads event was cool
Infected crossroads was not

[signal crag]

you get new abilities to explore previous visited areas again to reach places you couldn't do before, pretty simple

[cerulean sable]

and i think it also will help if they can do ability chaining very well

HK is mostly gonna be
Dash dash dash dash
jump pogo on someone mid air dash dash dash
early on

SS i feel is gonna be more of
Sprint, sprint stab, pogo, air dash, ledge climb, ledge climb boost, pogo, air dash, sprint

animation and feel adds a lot of traversal

[opaque sigil]

Also ledge climb is great early game movement

[brittle garnet]

For sure, Silksong will be way more satisfying to traverse

[wheat lintel]

hk extremely early movement was really fun when you were trying to break shit rather than just traverse normally

[mossy jolt]

also Hornet is gonna be so much bigger than tk its gonna mess with all my habits

[signal crag]

interesting that i've seen some people NOT liking it

[ember geode]

Definitely not the hot characters

[opaque sigil]

At least her hitbox seemingly doesn't include her horns

[haughty brook]

She isn't that much bigger, but will sure change map design and traversal.

[sinful flare]

TRUE
(INCONVENIENT)

like block the stagway why crys

[ember geode]

“We blocked the entrance to salubra cause fuck you”

[sweet bluff]

[sinful flare]

AND FALSE KNIGHT ARENA ENTRANCE

[opaque sigil]

Also turning every enemy into a mini nuke is kinda a weird choice

[sinful flare]

i guess infection turns enemies into mini nukes

[ember geode]

I’m 99% sure they did that cause they want to piss off the flower quest doers

[haughty brook]

Radiance gives bugs the good old "juice that makes you explode"

[sinful flare]

man i like orange juice but orange juice that makes you explode? nah

[mossy jolt]

mod juice

[brittle garnet]

Shade Soul + Shaman Stone one-shots them

from a safe distance

[mossy jolt]

also there's a copypasta in #hk-discussion somebody should check that 🥴

[fiery coral]

...wouldn't go so far as to call them that, personally

[fiery coral]

fair point

[chrome wave]

Still sap about slopes not being included in silksong

And if they are they havent been seen at all, whitch means that they are probably pretty uncommon

[signal crag]

maybe slopes are hard to code?

[chrome wave]

Yeah like half floating is kinda immersion breaking

[nimble radish]

[signal crag]

also HK technically does have them, for walls that you can't climb

[chrome wave]

Or being slightly rotated

[nimble radish]

if you've seen what people do with uhh decomaster I think
slopes absolutely break the game

[chrome wave]

I mean they could like have stairs at some Point

[dusk badger]

slopes arent a good base

[signal crag]

okay so everyone hates slopes
got it

[silver oak]

hey I realized something weird in the seth fight gif

The camera isn't static
Also there are no walls

[drowsy isle]

Yeah fuck slopes

[signal crag]

well
maybe the arena it's just that large?

[nimble radish]

camera never usually moves

[fiery coral]

Would you say you're disinclined to have them

[signal crag]

for small arenas it doesn't, yes

[wheat lintel]

im banning you

[sweet bluff]

cough hornet 2 godhome cough

[silver oak]

If feels like if it is an arena, it's much much longer than any HK arena

[fiery coral]

Worth it

[chrome wave]

Maybe some Town segments could have specifically scripted stairs

[haughty brook]

I really hope SS can win at least one award regarding art direction.

[nimble radish]

boss arenas generally aren't huge like that

[sweet bluff]

i love 89 degree angles

[signal crag]

did you saw the one for the double blades enemy in the trailer??

[chrome wave]

Whitch one?

[signal crag]

one sec

[sweet bluff]

i mean it moves on NKG, PV, and absrad
noeyes too

[silver oak]

Which is cool that they're mixing it up but at the same time, having a moving camera during an intense boss fight might break up the pace of the fight a little

[chrome wave]

The ant Queen?

[silver oak]

Wait actually

Radiance and THK do that

What am I saying

[chrome wave]

The mantis lords are a nightmare if the camera somehow unlock itself

It hapens to me all the time

[sweet bluff]

NKG does that

[drowsy isle]

Has anyone killed Dave btw

[chrome wave]

Not yet

I Wonder what is he guarding tho

[sinful flare]

i hate dave

[silver oak]

I asssume you get to see behind wall you're not supposed to in some cases

[chrome wave]

It better be something cool, like a silk ability or a crest or a tool or maybe even a completely secret area

[silver oak]

[sinful flare]

he unlocks godhome 2

[silver oak]

Dave hates you

[signal crag]

https://youtu.be/pFAknD_9U7c?t=105

[chrome wave]

Or some bone shards and nothing else

[signal crag]

sorry, this is what i was talking about earlier

[cerulean sable]

shit drawing but yeah id love to see the seamless ability chaining vs HKs more "rigidnesss"

[signal crag]

niiice

[silver oak]

niiiiiiiiiiice

[sweet bluff]

more fluid movement. is that the word you’re looking for?

[drowsy isle]

#hk-art-gallery

[sage glade]

YOOOO they finally revealed the game1?!?!!/

[sweet bluff]

kinda like ultrakill ish movement

[uncut citrus]

oh no does that mean i did something illegal when i posted that same kind of drawing in #hk-discussion about a soul tyran start?

[cerulean sable]

hard to convey the movement via drawing but the fluidity will help a lot

[sweet bluff]

wait is that jinn in the trailer

[cerulean sable]

HK at times is still kinda rigid even with wall climb

[sweet bluff]

also i fucking love grapples in all games

basically having more options on what to do at any given moment @cerulean sable

[fiery coral]

Grappling and ziplining around Victorian London in AC Syndicate

[opaque sigil]

Well SS grapple seems pretty rigid in terms of how you can use it

[sweet bluff]

grappling in titanfall 2 to bitch slap that enemy 150km away:

[haughty brook]

Shame AC is just 90% filler

[ember geode]

We are the same

[normal token]

Hornet web-swinging when

[ember geode]

grapple is so fucking good in every game it’s in

Especially those ones where you can lean in 3D games

[sinful flare]

i love grapple hooks and i love hook cancelling in games if i can

[ember geode]

YOOOOO

[sweet bluff]

true but look at, say, ultrakill’s grapple
moves you in one direction at a static speed and only usable on certain objects + all enemies
still incredibly satisfying to chain grapples together to fuck over any enemy in your path

[ember geode]

what titan do you use

[sweet bluff]

autotitan
pilot all day every day

[ember geode]

Damn

[uncut citrus]

maybe you could choose where to shoot stuff with pressing up/down/left/right, and then up+left for a left up diagonal? that would be a big change from the simple controls tho

[sweet bluff]

ordinal directions?

[opaque sigil]

Aiming tools

[ember geode]

There must be some

[opaque sigil]

Not really

hopefully not

[ember geode]

Hornet equips a Barrett M82

[cerulean sable]

the overall movement i mean

[opaque sigil]

Yeah the overall movement is pretty fluid

[ember geode]

It already looks twice as fast as hollow knight

[cerulean sable]

Cdash is one direction until you smash into something
at least grapple transitions into the circular rebound pogo

[sweet bluff]

yeah the movement in general feels very combo-y and fluid from what we’ve seen

[opaque sigil]

Also I love how many more sprites Hornet has

[cerulean sable]

HK's movement if drawn in lines, looks more like a lot of horizontals, whereas Silksong is more of a squiggly line

[silver oak]

She's a much more complicated character

And that's a good thing

Kind of

It means Hornet will be harder to control

[trim estuary]

do you ever sleep

[haughty brook]

Also, talking about "graphics" I heard from many people that they said that Elden Ring looks like a ps2/ps3 game (even though it looks great even in ps4) and I'm glad that SS is 2d because people tend to be harsher on "graphical fidelity" on 3d games.

[coarse leaf]

More complicated probably means more variety in play styles right? Gonna be interesting to see how different people play if there are many ways to defeat an enemy

[silver oak]

Although most enemies will probably be simple enough to not matter

But I agree with your point for boss fights and minibosses

[opaque sigil]

Graphical fidelity isn't as much of a thing for games that aren't trying to be realistic/have complex showy graphics. That's one reason games like HK age so well

[sweet bluff]

FLUID
MOVEMENT

[ember geode]

The tools are gonna be way more game changing than charms so that’s gonna be fun

[haughty brook]

The problem is that when the people that are obssed with "graphics" droll over games made on the latest Unreal Engine that looks like the models are on vaseline or on permanent oil.

[ember geode]

Movement in games is a priority for me

If it feels clunky and slow then I’m gonna get bored

But damn if it’s fluid and quick that’s where it top tier

[sweet bluff]

gameplay in general is a priority
is it fun? > yes
everything else doesn’t really matter to me (well visuals kinda do)

[sweet bluff]

idk sometimes i’m confused when people say “i value the characters above all else!” like i’d rather have fun than have a compelling characters
i’d just watch a show if i wanted that

[cerulean sable]

you see people who mention how scared they are of SS' complexity

but like, i think you can easily learn the controls and the combination seems seamless so far

Death's Gambit had like, oh press Y to use ability, then press L1 + Y/A/B to do other abilities,
Holding L1 then Y allows you to do a slide to break shields, but with an upgrade you can break shields by jumping and press B, the dodge button
now to parry you have to press L1 and Down dpad to parry, then down dpad to do a riposte
tapping L1 instead does a perfect block, which allows you to do a strong mini riposte by pressing attack, then R1 is gonna be your 2nd weapon attack
tapping Lbumper does the down slam ability which has a 70 seconds cooldown to its ability
Rbumper is your use items, and dpad left and right is your swap items
Down A iirc is interact (or was it Down Dpad?)

now to scroll through the menu/inventory, instead of streamlining it to be R and L bumpers, you have to use your Normal attack and 2ndary attack if you use the keyboard (J and K)
and the interact button will be the confirmation

etc

[ember geode]

I don’t think there will be complexity in SS

Just variation

I can’t wait to see what combos people will come up with

[sweet bluff]

i’m on 4% i should probably leave soon guys

[opaque sigil]

SS is definitely more complex than HK just not to such an extent that I'm concerned

[coarse leaf]

I trust that TC will have a lot of variety while keeping it simple if that makes any sense
I think it'll be good

[opaque sigil]

Gameplay's a priority but barring extremes it isn't the final word

A game with middling gameplay and an excellent story can be more enjoyable than a game with above average gameplay but a mediocre narrative

[ember geode]

The problem is the story was way too vague to be an enjoyable story

Which is what drove away 50% of my friends

[cerulean sable]

its definitely more complex just not overtly so
for example early game
HK is:
Dash is dash
Jump is jump
You have directional attacks
You can pogo which refreshes dash
You can wall climb

SS is
Tap sprint to burst do very short range burst dashes
Hold sprint continues sprinting

• While in the sprint state:
  => Tap/Hold jump to do a variable long jump
  => Attack to do a sprint stab that transitions to pogo/jump state
• While in the jump state
  => Down attack to pogo
  => Tap dash to do a medium distance forward momentum dash
  => Hit ledge to hold on to it
  -While in the ledge climb state
  => Move forward to climb
  => Tap jump to do a strong vault that launches Hornet further into the air

[ember geode]

Oh nice more movement mechanics

I love those

[gritty heron]

[mortal bluff]

[burnt compass]

1 week left until they show ss

[opaque sigil]

Well also there's the increased tactical complexity from tool resource management and variable silk costs

[cerulean sable]

yeah

and im just talking about movement alone

which we just know of

who knows the other stuff they have in store

[opaque sigil]

Yeah then fair, kinda like Mario. Ostensibly simple enough, and easy to use, but there's some depth there

[mossy jolt]

imagine ss releases on jan 1st

[opaque sigil]

Like early game you might kinda just be doing jump and move but as you go you'll learn the systems a bit better

[burnt compass]

it would be pretty cool but its not going too happen

[trim estuary]

Just you wait and see

[mortal bluff]

Give us just one ss path of pain please TC

[normal token]

You know what? I shall do the impossible and quit the TGA cult

[crisp drift]

careful
you might anger the TGA cult god

[normal token]

If it's a fight he wants, then it's a fight he will get

[trim estuary]

Geoff Keighley?

[normal token]

Ttacco

[trim estuary]

No he’s the

Air strike coordinator

[mortal bluff]

If one falls one will rise to take there place

[opaque sigil]

He'll coordinate an air strike

[trim estuary]

[opaque sigil]

And Pichu was never heard from again

[normal token]

Hey there seems to be pretty lights in the sk-

[burnt topaz]

Damn I miss pichu

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15VGAGO1m-k

[opaque sigil]

I mean... accurate

It does go brrrrrrrrrrt

[uncut citrus]

thats literally what i would have siad if i tried to imitate it

[tall hinge]

brrrrrrt

[hollow smelt]

hey @cerulean sable i havent been here in a week or 2, hows the tga cult?

we have a 70% chance of ss at tga idd say

but in our hearts we know itll be there ofc

[shell yacht]

[hollow smelt]

tf u tryna say about tga

[shell yacht]

you get nada

[hollow smelt]

you wanna square up mr orange?

[shell yacht]

[hollow smelt]

[shell yacht]

[hollow smelt]

[wanton crest]

[hollow smelt]

yeah bitch we at a standoff now

just agree itll be at tga and you can go

[shell yacht]

no

[hollow smelt]

no but like that whole geoff liking something about silskong on a prediction post is wayyyyyy to sus

[trim estuary]

[hollow smelt]

[trim estuary]

It was the TGA account not necessarily Geoff

[hollow smelt]

EVEN BETTER

think about it

we havent gotten news for a year, it couldv been the final push and they will announce it at tga

or tga is our news thing

[shell yacht]

twitter likes mean absolutely nothing
the fucking pope accidentally fat fingered the like button on models multiple times

[wanton crest]

The cm of the pope*

[pallid flare]

accidentally

[hollow smelt]

that wasnt twitter, im pretty sure it was instagram. doesnt change a thing but still

[hollow smelt]

accident

is that guy still alive?

[nimble radish]

pope benedict? yeah pretty sure

[hollow smelt]

ah. but didnt his head get taken off or smth

[nimble radish]

francis
benedict is dead

[hollow smelt]

i heard smth like that

[nimble radish]

I don't keep up on celebrities

[silver oak]

Wasn’t there a Pope Paul

Or John

[hollow smelt]

pope paul (pp)

[silver oak]

Or Peter

[shell yacht]

the current pope

[hollow smelt]

[cerulean sable]

https://youtu.be/3GDrFqqjrfc?t=11

[trim estuary]

“accidentally”

[uncut citrus]

[orchid rune]

That accidentally joke had already been made

[pallid flare]

🐌

[orchid rune]

Double snailing

[radiant wraith]

Rude

[glossy gazelle]

You snailed so hard the chat died for 30 minutes

[drowsy isle]

how do you want the pope to not be alive like if he dies he's being replaced

[shell yacht]

replace religion with games obv

[hollow smelt]

pfff true

[trim estuary]

the pope is undertale

[shell yacht]

[hollow smelt]

and just like in undertale EVERYTHING CAN BE KILLED

as far as i know everything can atleast

[pallid flare]

didn't matpat gift the pope a copy of undertale

[lean zenith]

Yeah

I bet Francis took the genocide route

[hollow smelt]

man went around like away monster away

[lean zenith]

I would imagine he spared the dogs

Wait does the Pope have pets

[silver oak]

The pope stole the queen's corgis

They didn't die

[radiant vigil]

big announcement guys and girls silksong is coming out on February 1st

[frank sparrow]

you lying to me

[radiant vigil]

im not

[frank sparrow]

where is your proof

[mortal grove]

INB4 LEAK

[frank sparrow]

did leth or tc say its coming out then

[pallid flare]

pffft

[frank sparrow]

did you murder a man for the release date

[pallid flare]

who needs proof around here?

[radiant vigil]

February 2022
Hollow Knight: Silksong's Release Date is The News Fans Want
According to it, it is set to release in February 2022.

[frank sparrow]

clearly me pyro >:c

[radiant vigil]

look up silksong release date

[frank sparrow]

are you talking about the leak from geforcenow

which we dont even know is correct- because leth or tc hasn't confirmed or deconfirmed it

[radiant vigil]

look it up

[mortal grove]

"The only recent bit of news about Hollow Knight: Silksong’s release date, which is likely the big focus of many fans, came from a GeForce Now leak. According to it, it is set to release in February 2022. Beyond the questionability of the leak containing this information accurately (as some are said to be speculative, while others were clearly true, like God of War’s PC Port), that window may not come with any bit of delays or COVID-19 taken into account. Truth is, fans do not know. It won’t be 2021 at this point without any major surprises, but 2022 is at least possible (if not that early)."

[signal crag]

so either: it's somehow the precise release date
it's not the precise release date, but it could act more like a plan for the game to be released around that
or it's just a placeholder with little to no meaning

[silver oak]

I'm an underpaid game journalist, Silksong release date was leaked for Feb 1st

[sinful flare]

why 1st february thug

[radiant vigil]

thats what i said feb 1st

[pallid flare]

according to what

[mortal grove]

geforce leak duh

[pallid flare]

i think my thoughts on that are quite clear

[sinful flare]

real very real you believe it i believe it yes

[silver oak]

Is anyone real

Am I real

[radiant vigil]

yes im in school right now

[normal token]

No one is real

[sinful flare]

listen. as a tga cult member i cannot quit and i must believe in every leak about silksong or they are going to

[frank sparrow]

we are in the matrix

[normal token]

I have left the tga cult, you can too

[trim estuary]

no that’s not how that works
we look at it semi reasonably and if it isn’t stretching too much then we take it as evidence

[sinful flare]

i thought we looked at it unreasonably

[trim estuary]

Like for example: #sk-discussion message

[uncut citrus]

i definitively arent, the very concept of my existance isnt phisically nor thecnichally possible

[trim estuary]

Semi reasonably semi unreasonably

[opaque sigil]

Google's algorithm for finding dates really did SS dirty

[uncut citrus]

plus i cant spell so

[sinful flare]

yeah google really did shaman stone dirty

...wait

[opaque sigil]

Also shitty game journalists presenting it as absolute/reasonably reliable

[silver oak]

But it's real

[opaque sigil]

But like gotta get them clicks

[cerulean sable]

this tbh

[opaque sigil]

tbf it's not as bad as the leth quote thing

But it's still stupid

[uncut citrus]

absolute reliable

[opaque sigil]

[absolute]/[reasonably reliable]

[nimble radish]

absolute reliance

[normal token]

Graig is the only reliable news info

[frank sparrow]

we should all trust Graig

[trim estuary]

Keanu Reeves as hornet then??

[sinful flare]

yeah graig told me silksong is gonna release on 9090

i trust him

[frank sparrow]

then its truth trust in the Graig believe in the Graig

[silver oak]

I think people have generally gotten past the point of believing anything graig says

[frank sparrow]

what are you talking about- Graig only speaks the truth Necro

[opaque sigil]

Every now and then a newcomer gets bamboozled

[stark estuary]

[silver oak]

Yeah that's always funny

That leth quote was bad tho

[opaque sigil]

Especially since it was clear that not one of the people who posted about it actually read it

[radiant wraith]

"Silksong releases at TGA" -Leth

[sinful flare]

"silksong relwasingtomororew" - leth

[silver oak]

This one

[shell yacht]

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that one's a basic reading comprehension moment

[sinful flare]

dont trust leth do trust graig

[opaque sigil]

But ig if English isn't your first language you might not pick up that it's a hypothetical

[silver oak]

10 IQ moment

[stark estuary]

Omg Silksong is almost finished!

[silver oak]

Clickbait moment

[radiant wraith]

He literally used asterisks for emphasis on "could"

[opaque sigil]

joke aged well

[trim estuary]

brb gonna become a game journalist to make an article on ss at tga

[radiant wraith]

Graig is sly

[silver oak]

have fun

[opaque sigil]

Sly is Graig

[silver oak]

wow haha that's a funny joke but it would never happen in real life

[radiant wraith]

He is Sly yes, but he is also sly

[drowsy isle]

#sk-discussion message

[copper knot]

aged poorly

[normal token]

Same

[radiant wraith]

Check this one out
#hk-discussion message

It's in another chat careful

[frank sparrow]

ah how naïve we were

[silver oak]

Tammo is based

Well
half based

[frank sparrow]

Tammo is secretly

[radiant wraith]

"Late 2019"

[trim estuary]

Ha

[radiant wraith]

Team Cherry speedrunning for that one

[wanton crest]

2023 for sure

[shell yacht]

yall just keep on guessing for the next year and eventually youll be right
brilliant deductions all around

[silver oak]

This one's good as well #off-topic message

[shell yacht]

[sinful flare]

true true we are all truly brilliant

[radiant wraith]

Be careful with your "for sure"s

[signal crag]

unless the game is cancelled
so nobody will get to be right

[cerulean sable]

Dont believe these lies

[drowsy isle]

https://twitter.com/_britmonkey/status/1465663653076688901?s=21

Michael (@_britmonkey)

Predicting when the Queen will die is like pointing at your toaster and saying "now" over and over until it actually pops up and you think you have super telekinetic powers

Twitter · Nov 30, 2021, 12:47 PM

[cerulean sable]

We will get Silksong

[drowsy isle]

Same energy

[sinful flare]

true

[radiant wraith]

I will get Silksong

[silver oak]

That's literally this chat in a single message

[normal token]

No we shall not

[silver oak]

No sentence has ever better summed up #sk-discussion

[radiant wraith]

I am Silksong.

[sinful flare]

i will get halo night silkson g godmaster dlc

[shell yacht]

you will get silksong yes
will it be at every game event from 2019 to 2022 like yall said? fuck no
will it realease on the date you currently have in mind? not a chance
will clownkin continue being funny? always

[radiant wraith]

Anyone know when they'll release Gods & Glory?

[shell yacht]

1912 @radiant wraith

[silver oak]

According to discord, this is Leth's "most relevant" message #hk-discussion message

[sinful flare]

sorry 2nd answer has an unfunny meme and 3rd answer should be clownkin is a trash meme

[hardy bridge]

Guys late 2022 for real

[normal token]

Is it false?

[sinful flare]

however 1st answer is what i agree with

[opaque sigil]

SS at events just isn't a thing idk where that came from

[normal token]

E3

[shell yacht]

you guys only think clownkin is bad bc youre the clowns

always have been

[opaque sigil]

That was once and only because the circumstances mandated it

[sinful flare]

not a clown i'm simply a follower of tammo

[trim estuary]

you right

[radiant wraith]

I'm a clown! I'm a clown!

[frank sparrow]

are we being called clowns again

[normal token]

I love me some getting insulted by mods

[sinful flare]

y😡es😡

[opaque sigil]

Just how powdered rolls

[shell yacht]

lawfull evil
yall are just chaotic chaos and cant cope with reality

[surreal inlet]

"Silk song is coming soon"

[opaque sigil]

Lawful neutral, deal with it

[radiant wraith]

What is this sentence supposed to mean?

Am I chaos?

I'm pretty sure chaos is someone else

[silver oak]

[shell yacht]

im grounded in reality, yall have been jumping at every game event since 2019
whos crazy?

[silver oak]

Tammo is definitely Lawful Neutral

[normal token]

Not me

[silver oak]

The rest of us, not so much

[radiant wraith]

This is my first time, and it's so much fun!

[opaque sigil]

Well I kinda bounce between lawful/chaotic ig

[signal crag]

i always didn't cared about indie world
i had no reason to

[trim estuary]

Actually I joined this community in early 2021 so

[signal crag]

for TGA?
Lmao i can't even watch it in the first place

[fiery coral]

all of us

[silver oak]

I feel like you end up being the voice of reason in a lot of conversations here

[opaque sigil]

Hades pog

[normal token]

I joined this community since early 2018

[silver oak]

pog Hades

[shell yacht]

grandpappy primordial goo

[pallid flare]

hades

[radiant wraith]

What do you leak my face for? delete this

[sinful flare]

sorry not handsome

[opaque sigil]

Too late, screenshotted

[trim estuary]

sell it as an nft

[signal crag]

i can't believe Tammo right clicked it

[radiant wraith]

#rightclicking

[silver oak]

incorrect

[radiant wraith]

pfft, TC is nice

[coarse leaf]

Life is hopless

[sinful flare]

team cherry answers praysrt from kaangaming
team cherry says no

[opaque sigil]

The crazy news stuff isn't ubiquitous

[silver oak]

More like if the little boy was really annoying and God was working too hard on a present for the boy to actually tell him anything

[red skiff]

Guys any game sugetions until silksong will come out?

[silver oak]

Hollow Knight

[opaque sigil]

Hades, Baba is You, Outer Wilds

[silver oak]

^

[red skiff]

Done with follow knight ,BotW

*hollow

[trim estuary]

Terraria, Spore, Fortnite, Dead Cells, Outer Wilds, Spore Galactic Adventures which is pretty much outer wilds but better, and AMONG US

[normal token]

Do you accept spider-man games

[red skiff]

@normal token if they are good

[gilded adder]

Risk of Rain 2 and Death's Gambit: Afterlife

[opaque sigil]

Spore Galactic Adventures which is pretty much outer wilds but better
Bruh what

[frank sparrow]

spider man 2

[shell yacht]

Death stranding || it even has shades||

[silver oak]

Celeste is a great game

[normal token]

Web of Shadows is great

But the va for spider-man

[trim estuary]

Clone Drone in the Danger Zone, Star Wars: Fallen Order, and my brain is too slow to think of anything else rn

[red skiff]

Any game like breath of the wild?

[nimble radish]

spore galactic adventures

[red skiff]

@trim estuary thanks

[trim estuary]

You heard me

[silver oak]

The Witcher III

[opaque sigil]

You're wrong

[nimble radish]

uh zolda

[gilded adder]

Elden Ring, which comes out in February.

[pallid flare]

bug fables

[trim estuary]

Nope, S:GA is better than OW

[opaque sigil]

They're entirely incomparable

[red skiff]

So many sugetions!!!!!!👍

[cerulean sable]

theres tons of good metroidvanias you can try or at least close to Hollow Knight

• Dark Souls
• Death's Gambit
• Battle Brothers
• Ori Will of the Wisp
• Battle Brothers: Beasts and Exploration DLC
• Salt and Sanctuary
• Elden Lilies
• Battle Brothers: Warriors of the North DLC
• Dark Souls 3 if you enjoyed 1
• Battle Brothers: Blazing Deserts DLC
• Celeste
• Dead Cells

[trim estuary]

That doesn’t matter

[opaque sigil]

Yes it does

[trim estuary]

No it doesn’t

[red skiff]

Thank you very much...

[coarse leaf]

Psycron is a good cheap indie metroidvania

[opaque sigil]

Spore Galactic Adventures which is pretty much outer wilds but better

[red skiff]

For game ideas

[trim estuary]

Yeah exactly

[coarse leaf]

also try metroid dread or else

[red skiff]

@opaque sigil will try that

[opaque sigil]

It matters

[red skiff]

@coarse leaf done

[opaque sigil]

No I wasn't recommending that it looks like a subpar civ builder

[normal token]

Also the first ever 3d spider-man game, Spider-Man 2000

[red skiff]

@opaque sigil I will try this too

[silver oak]

Hollow Knight is basically Candy Crush but better

[trim estuary]

It’s like 7 games in one

[sinful flare]

dont play hades, baba is you, outer wilds, portal 2, manifold garden
also dont watch knives out

[opaque sigil]

OW is a brilliant puzzle/exploration game that probably will encompass the botw vibe

[normal token]

Hey I know you

[nimble radish]

evil unique

[coarse leaf]

Hey I know you too

[sinful flare]

oh hey i know you arak

[silver oak]

common

[normal token]

But metroid dread good

[sinful flare]

huh what did i do wrong

[coarse leaf]

Metroid dread very good

[trim estuary]

tammo goin get you

[coarse leaf]

Nothing you’re just the embodiment of unfunny as usual

[red skiff]

@normal token what about miles moralis?

[opaque sigil]

Metroid Dread isn't like botw and hk at all though, there's very little free-form exploration

[normal token]

Haven't played it but I recommend it either way

[coarse leaf]

It’s not everyones cup of tea but I enjoyed it a lot

[red skiff]

@opaque sigil It is good though

[fiery coral]

do the opposite of this

[opaque sigil]

It's fine

Don't go into it expecting anything other than decent action and platforming sequences though

[red skiff]

Dont fight guys

[normal token]

The action is amazing what

[red skiff]

@opaque sigil sure

@normal token yeh

[coarse leaf]

Dash melee my beloved

[trim estuary]

Is blue fire good

[normal token]

The slide, feels too good

[signal crag]

Is calling Metroid: Dread "just fine" such an unpopolar opinion?

[coarse leaf]

Movement is just amazing

[opaque sigil]

Apparently

[red skiff]

Gotta go now...bye

[coarse leaf]

Most people think it’s amazing, especially in the metroid community

[opaque sigil]

ok well I don't care

[coarse leaf]

As for outsiders though… it’s more common from what I’ve seen which is fine

[opaque sigil]

My opinion is my opinion, not theirs

[sinful flare]

arak said i must say metroid dread is good so metroid dread is good

[opaque sigil]

ok drone

[sinful flare]

help

[frank sparrow]

tbh i haven't heard anything good about metroid dread- i thought it was a popular opinion that it wasn't the best

[trim estuary]

skill issue

[trim estuary]

pov: you’re in the

[sinful flare]

...ss-discussion channel

[opaque sigil]

I mean it does some things well but some things so ridiculously badly

[trim estuary]

what does it do ridiculous badly

[opaque sigil]

Like recycling bosses half a dozen times, sometimes in a row

[coarse leaf]

The bosses were fun so I didn’t mind

[trim estuary]

I actually liked the repeated ||chozo warrior|| bosses

[vagrant umbra]

Oh man, that sounds like such a pantheon of a grind…

[coarse leaf]

Here people are more critical of the game

[opaque sigil]

It's also really short

[trim estuary]

Fair

[silver oak]

Ha get it pantheon

[opaque sigil]

On a fairly slow first playthrough it was like eight hours

[silver oak]

Like the pantheons in Hollow Knight

[vagrant umbra]

You may laugh now.

[coarse leaf]

8 hours is actually longer then most metroid games

[opaque sigil]

And the optional stuff is mostly meaningless

[silver oak]

I’m very funny

[coarse leaf]

They’re oriented more towards speedrunning so they’re shorter and faster

[opaque sigil]

Missile tanks don't really matter past a certain point and most if not all of the health upgrades are on the main path

[silver oak]

You can tell because I got 3 zote reactions

[coarse leaf]

It’s not gonna be like hollow knight where it’s packed with a ton of content

It’s a different style of metroidvania

[opaque sigil]

Doesn't make it not short

I understand why it's short

[coarse leaf]

It has much more replayability though

[opaque sigil]

Eh

[coarse leaf]

I’ve played it… 6 times now

[opaque sigil]

Pretty linear, the sequence break I did was annoying to do and ended up the same soon enough

[trim estuary]

jeez

[coarse leaf]

I’m gonna do it again too

I like this game too much

[opaque sigil]

ok

[frank sparrow]

have fun 👍

[opaque sigil]

Good for you, but I'm not going to recommend it based on that, especially to somebody who probably isn't familiar with the franchise

[coarse leaf]

I will

[sinful flare]

same

[coarse leaf]

Fair. I played the other metroid games beforehand too so I knew what to expect kind of

[opaque sigil]

And somebody who cited as reference HK and BotW

[coarse leaf]

Yeah you like open exploration more that’s fine

[opaque sigil]

In the ways in which HK and BotW are good, Dread doesn't compare

[coarse leaf]

Super metroid is a good metroid that does that

So if you ever wanna give it a second chance maybe that idk

Anyways I gtg

[stark estuary]

Mediocre Dread

[sinful flare]

i only plyaed super metroid i stopped halfway i think wtaer area

i lost interest in that part so i dont think i like metroid very much

[opaque sigil]

The best part of Dread was the final boss and that was such an absurd difficulty spike that it colors the experience

[stark estuary]

The narrative tho

[opaque sigil]

Not even considering that since it's so minor

You don't play a metroid game for the story

[stark estuary]

I play the Metroid Prime games for lore

[opaque sigil]

Well those have much more lore presence

Also Dread movement abilities could be wonky and not activate consistently

[stark estuary]

Also wtf is the uncapped fire rate

[opaque sigil]

I mean if you can press the button that fast then you deserve it

Yeah emulated it would have autoclicker problems but like devs shouldn't have to consider emulation

[trim estuary]

Idk I kinda like it

[coarse leaf]

You can get along fine with just missiles, that’s more for super high level play

Like speedrunning

[opaque sigil]

A lot of things can't be hurt with the basic shot anyways

[stark estuary]

The combat has no depth at all, for most bosses you just move around and mash the button as fast as you can, which is not only bad design but also physically painful.

[coarse leaf]

At least until you get a certain upgrade

[burnt compass]

are you guys talking about metroid dread 👀

[opaque sigil]

Bosses were fine, general combat was barely a thing

[coarse leaf]

It’s the most advanced combat in a metroid yet

[burnt compass]

ey metroid dread is one of my favorite switch games

[stark estuary]

Not an argument

[coarse leaf]

Same!

[opaque sigil]

Doesn't mean it's good

[burnt compass]

played it 3 times

[coarse leaf]

I know, just means the series/game probably isn’t for you then

[opaque sigil]

I mean I enjoyed the game I just found that aspect unimpressive

[burnt compass]

my only problem about the game is the weird story but other then that its awesome!

[opaque sigil]

Movement was good when it worked properly and bosses could be fun

[burnt compass]

actually i also wish the game had more big bosses

[stark estuary]

Almost every single fight is just: get out of danger, aim at the boss, mash attack as fast as possible until they attack again, move, and repeat.

[coarse leaf]

Ok bye for real now lol

[opaque sigil]

Or just more bosses that aren't copied and pasted from other fights

[burnt compass]

yes that too

[opaque sigil]

Combat in most active games can be boiled down to something approximating that

[normal token]

The game was supposed to have as twice as many bosses and cutscenes

[opaque sigil]

Not surprised

[silver locust]

Hollow Knight bosses in a nutshell

[stark estuary]

I disagree, most games have other mechanics that give the combat added depth.

The most interesting thing is the ability to shinespark against certain bosses

[ocean mulch]

Dread?

[stark estuary]

No Silksong

[normal token]

Yes

[ocean mulch]

You lied to me

[opaque sigil]

Kirb lies

[ocean mulch]

ooooh Kirb

[gilded adder]

Kirb the Kirbster

[stark estuary]

I don't know who you're talking about

[ocean mulch]

Jonny the jonnster

[glacial gulch]

Silksong when?

[opaque sigil]

When it's ready

[stark estuary]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[frank sparrow]

silksong does not exist- tis only a fever dream we all experienced

[stark estuary]

[trim estuary]

TGA, TGA

[feral tusk]

you guys think we'll get silksong news this december? following the trend

[stark estuary]

Stop, STOP!

[fiery coral]

TGA

TGA

TGA

[trim estuary]

I agree

[glacial gulch]

tf does tga mean

[stark estuary]

Mod abuse

[fiery coral]

The Game Awards

December 9th

[glacial gulch]

alright cool

[fiery coral]

😎

[serene patrol]

1 day closer to ss!

[opaque sigil]

TGA may or may not have something

[signal crag]

guys, how about...uh...
we just wait for this year's end without too much clownery, huh? you think you can do that?

[opaque sigil]

There is no assurance of anything happening at TGA

[burnt compass]

are you guys actually expecting silksong at tga?

[trim estuary]

Anyway gotta avoid those who would persecute me for my actions brb

[fiery coral]

hoping

[sacred stratus]

yes

[stark estuary]

I'm expecting Dream to be at TGA

[serene patrol]

Yes

[fiery coral]

obviously we don't actually know

[normal token]

No TGA

[fiery coral]

but hope is strong

[serene patrol]

Highly likely that its unlikely

[signal crag]

don't hope
clearly that doesn't work well for us

[serene patrol]

It will eventually

[fiery coral]

I refuse to be bogged down by past failures

[stark estuary]

Hope was left in Pandora's Jar for a reason

[sacred stratus]

hope is strong but a german panzer 4 battle tank is stronger

[brittle garnet]

Hope is fine, expectations are where the real clownery is found

[serene patrol]

[signal crag]

is this the definition of insanity?

[opaque sigil]

fr tho joking about TGA is a bad idea if it could be misconstrued as an assurance of definitiveness or likelihood

[serene patrol]

And bam ... its there

[burnt compass]

hoping that silksong will be at tga will only bring disappointment

[serene patrol]

[stark estuary]

Everyone in #sk-discussion whenever I make a joke

[cerulean sable]

blocked and ratiod

[opaque sigil]

If somebody asks "silksong when" and you respond "the game awards" the natural assumption is that you're saying SS will definitely be there and that there is strong reason to believe as such

Not that you're hoping it will

[stark estuary]

I agree Tammo

[serene patrol]

But it will tho... right?

[opaque sigil]

Maybe

[serene patrol]

Nah im jk

[burnt compass]

i'd give it a 15% chance of showing up probably less

[brittle garnet]

As if you have anything to back those chances.

[winter cypress]

there is quite a lot actually

[stark estuary]

Oh no

[fiery coral]

as if I need to worry when others will always be in chat to remind us of reality 🥴

[winter cypress]

still clown though

[opaque sigil]

It's a measure of personal confidence, not a measure of real likelihood

[signal crag]

self aware huh?

then sure, what is it?

[winter cypress]

i personally dont believe it will be

BUT

[opaque sigil]

Most of the evidence presented is conjecture and the rest is circumstantial at best

At least that I've seen

[signal crag]

not a bright outcome apparently

[winter cypress]

there hasnt been any news this year and the owner of tga have reached out to tc every year since silksong was announced

if the february 1st leak turns out to be true (it wont) then december would be a good time to announce something

leth has expressed some modicum of interest in working with tga

thats what people seem to be going off

[brittle garnet]

It doesn't need to be evidence to convince people.

[silver oak]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone use the word “modicum” in a sentence before

[opaque sigil]

First is circumstantial
Second is conjecture and hypothetical
Third is circumstantial

[signal crag]

also something something liked comment something

[winter cypress]

yes. i know. im just explaining why some people think so

[silver oak]

Plus Leth said himself the game is done and in testing

[ember geode]

Since a year

[opaque sigil]

Necro didn't /s so imma do it on his behalf:
/s

[silver oak]

Thanks

[stark estuary]

Plus my uncle owns Nintendo and said SS would release this year.

[brittle garnet]

In the end whether it's good evidence doesn't matter, as long as it will convince people that it can happen. And it does.

[opaque sigil]

Well it doesn't convince me so I'm not going to present it as something that is a likelihood

[brittle garnet]

You're also not gonna convince people otherwise by saying the evidence isn't good.

[mystic pewter]

The TGA cult even has me coming back to this place somewhat consistently. You guys better be right

[opaque sigil]

Maybe not people already convinced of it fully

[ember geode]

Oh hell nah we’re the farthest thing from right

[signal crag]

what part is Arch on?

[opaque sigil]

part of what

[dusk badger]

idk just go with it

[mystic pewter]

I know I am desperate please TC

[brittle garnet]

I hadn't watched part 6 yet

[signal crag]

oh alright

[opaque sigil]

Part of what

[trim estuary]

JoJoe MAMA

[modest night]

yooooo leftist chat

[fiery coral]

left-handed gang

[copper knot]

banned for politics

[silver oak]

Yo you’re left handed too?

[fiery coral]

🤝

[brittle garnet]

🤝

[silver oak]

[stark estuary]

Imagine being left handed

[copper knot]

how does it feel smudging every single thing you write and also never having a correct pair of scissors

[serene chasm]

Witches! All of you

[stark estuary]

Right handed gang ftw

[silver oak]

The knight’s using its left hand in the emote

[stark estuary]

[signal crag]

[fiery coral]

feels good because all menial tasks involving scissors can be relegated to someone else 😎

[stark estuary]

And the crab is using its right hand in this one

[tall hinge]

[fiery coral]

[copper knot]

my left hand died writing that

[normal token]

True!

[burnt topaz]

[stark estuary]

[frank sparrow]

D:

[trim estuary]

agreed

[trim estuary]

sans is left handed

[silver oak]

We’re surrounded boys

Hold the line

[stark estuary]

Lets go of the line

[sinful flare]

actually i'm the only middle in tga cult

[fiery coral]

ambidextrous moment?

[trim estuary]

Our true enemies

[sinful flare]

true

[fiery coral]

[uncut citrus]

Yeah Ttacco talked about it

[modest night]

ttacco talked about it in staff chat but idk if i should watch

[trim estuary]

why not

[stark estuary]

*Cr1TiKaL

[modest night]

effort

[trim estuary]

fair

He truly is a god gamer

[modest night]

damn took me like 15-20 tries to beat her

[bronze monolith]

But can he beat godmaster?

[modest night]

or more i don't recall

[trim estuary]

Me

[uncut citrus]

It’ll be funny to watch him try AbsRad as he saw a bit of fireborn’s anyrad vid and said it ** looked** pretty easy

[stark estuary]

I first tried Hornet ||on my second playthrough||

[burnt topaz]

i died to mantis lords so many times that i looked up if it was optional

i miraculously first tried hornet 2 on my first playthrough though

[split tide]

Hornet 2 feels pretty fragile tbh

I just randomly flailed about and somehow killed her

[uncut citrus]

I think I saw one other guy first try hornet 1, but can’t remember who

[split tide]

Doesn’t hurt that you can probably tank more by then too

[modest night]

damn i remember seeing quirrel telling me i should upgrade my nail because i suck and totally ignoring him

[stark estuary]

Yeah I did that too lol

[coarse hawk]

Same lol

[split tide]

I went to city and ignored mantis lords for a while when he said that lol

Ended up getting nail 3 before challenging them again

[coarse hawk]

Honestly though the most annoying part about Mantis Lords was making my way back to the fight after dying each time

[trim estuary]

I never found mantis lords until after I killed Lurien and Monomon

[coarse hawk]

The actual fight is very fun

[uncut citrus]

I didn’t see quirrel at mantis village, only knew after

Missing a quirrel interaction is no good

[coarse hawk]

The trip to mantis lords was so annoying though-- pogoing upwards, dodging those stupid mantid enemies, and making your way around the spikes and platforming on the way to the arena

The only other trip I remember being so long was Hive Knight but by then I had the dreamgate so

[modest night]

yeah the walk to mantis lords is one of the longest with soul master

[coarse hawk]

Ugh I had it but completely forgot to use it lol

The trips there took me longer than the boss

[modest night]

i remembered it

im too smart

[coarse hawk]

It took me one or two hours? But I did Traitor Lord pretty late so

[uncut citrus]

You wanna know what « trip » to the boss took me longest in total time?

Rad AbsRad summoning time

[copper knot]

oh shit

[modest night]

just install qol

[uncut citrus]

I don’t want mods to touch my vanilla game

Yeah, it start getting kinda long the 163th time

[modest night]

why not tho

you're missing out

[split tide]

QoL is super nice for godhome

[modest night]

imagine not having skins for your knight

cringe

[tall hinge]

true

[uncut citrus]

When I say game I mean like save

[modest night]

wdym

you can uninstall mods

and your save will be fine

[split tide]

Yeah mods don’t break your save file

[modest night]

unless it's like a mod that changes a lot of the game

[uncut citrus]

I know but like I wanna do a non modded save

[modest night]

and you need a new save file for it to work

but why

[fiery coral]

NKG's intro is actually cool though

[split tide]

Ah so going purist

[coarse hawk]

It's kinda annoying but the title card with red text and the music kicking in are so good lmao

[fiery coral]

Red text on black, music kicks in, it's awesome

[stark estuary]

Regular Radiance had a good intro

[brittle garnet]

Oh yeah NKG is a spectacle, loved it

[uncut citrus]

Difference is i only spent like 1h on NKG

[stark estuary]

MLs also had a great intro

[brittle garnet]

It's kinda funny that Zote has the longest intro out of any boss

Or feels like it

[uncut citrus]

Who’s MLs already? Haven’t heard that yet

[nimble radish]

moon lord

[copper knot]

[stark estuary]

Moss Lady (Unn)

[uncut citrus]

Oh

[bronze monolith]

Speaking of time wasters: Elder Hu. He keeps spamming that one attack where he becomes invincible.

[uncut citrus]

But really

[nimble radish]

elder hu just leaves whenever he feels like it

[coarse leaf]

Yeah the boss intros are cool for like, the first 10 times of fighting the boss, after that its just annoying

[uncut citrus]

@stark estuary I’m still waiting for MLs