sk-discussion

[hollow terrace]

TGA FOLKS

[serene chasm]

WOOOOOOOO

[hollow terrace]

WOOOO

[tawdry valley]

Completely fair, but the thrill of success dissipates with the nature of the meta. Teammates are extraneous to the design of the game, but not the user experience.

[gilded adder]

T

G

A

[tawdry valley]

Tga bad

[versed pollen]

I should look at the games to be nominated in TGA just to laugh at how strange they are

[serene chasm]

🚅
ALL ABOARD!

[still owl]

(trams cannot handle the speed and collapse)

[versed pollen]

What if they just go really slow

[fiery coral]

TGA HYPE

[tawdry valley]

Built from the wreckage of the previous hype train

[tawdry valley]

That one happened to be built from the wreckage of the previous hype train

[still owl]

then we can't utilize the cool speedy-cone of the front car :(

[versed pollen]

It'll still be aerodynamic, it'll just be moving slow

[pastel silo]

Imagine the celebration in voice chat if ss indeed shows up...you all better join

[versed pollen]

I think I'll probably not be in vc because no one I know cares enough

[still owl]

that's like giving a steam engine a bullet train design. Does it help? technically it could.
is it useful with how fast it'll be going?
...nope

[versed pollen]

I think it would still save on fuel so that's enough for me

[still owl]

SS-hype train runs on the soon-to-be broken dreams of news.

[versed pollen]

Well you just have to feed it less than

[trim estuary]

What on earth is that emoji

[still owl]

actually, the SS-hype train is more like a SS-hype rocket.

quick burn, and then destruction.

[still owl]

beauty, grace

[serene chasm]

Hype ICBM

[versed pollen]

That would completely circumvent the problem with fuel and how fast it's going I suppose

[still owl]

see, one day the SS-rocket will be successful
it's just a matter of trial and error.

[trim estuary]

rootkit :rockeyebrowraise:

Okay but why does the server have a rocket icon on it

[proud vale]

TGA next week pals

[still owl]

btw congrats on being a part of TC zip

[gilded adder]

I think that's denoting a special built in discord feature that lets people play games together.

[fiery coral]

SS next week

[versed pollen]

TC zip? There's a zip file containing TC in it?

[serene chasm]

my body is ready

[gilded adder]

my body is reggie

[proud vale]

I am ready to don the clown mask

[still owl]

that dying Cave Jonson adds great context to what you just said

[trim estuary]

Thanks, it’s great being able to help with Zo- I mean Silksong

[serene chasm]

Also, Hi Unique

[trim estuary]

Oh
Wait why does that need an icon, and why is it a rocket

[still owl]

(ss-hype rocket)

it's uhhh
metaphorical I guess

[versed pollen]

I don't see the rocket

[fiery coral]

Hello

[serene chasm]

SS hype rocket

[fiery coral]

[trim estuary]

It’s on PC only I think and only there sometimes

[versed pollen]

So what you're saying is that it's RNG

[fiery coral]

like absrad

[trim estuary]

Hollowcord is a roguelike

[versed pollen]

#hk-discussion message

[cerulean sable]

critikal

sees joni

dnails her

chat goes wild

[fiery coral]

an old classic

[cerulean sable]

"looook i freed that ghost, lets not get into semantics"

[versed pollen]

I should get back to doing those

[trim estuary]

real?

[cerulean sable]

wdym real

[trim estuary]

real?

[versed pollen]

I like to think that by D. nailing ghosts you're killing them

[cerulean sable]

what

i am so confused i am calling a gun run at your position rn ngl

[versed pollen]

Gun run sounds like a really bad mobile game

[hollow terrace]

Taco hold off

[pastel silo]

Also if you liked arcane try Legends of Runeterra if you are up for a card game... it expands the universe greatly and is very f2p friendly

[trim estuary]

No, the ghosts prior to being beaten or dream nailed are stuck on a loop or just confused so I do think it’s freeing them

[hollow terrace]

They’re asking did that actually happen

[cerulean sable]

its fancy words for "plane with big shooty shoot is arriving at your position"

[cerulean sable]

i dunno\

[trim estuary]

okay but is it real??

[cerulean sable]

im just watching Critikal's HK stream ok 🥴

[versed pollen]

Oh I've watched ep1-3 of Arcane with my friends. It was probably the funniest watch party I've been a part of

[still owl]

ciritkal did a hk stream? when

[pastel silo]

He doesnt pay attention to dialogues much does he ?

[versed pollen]

That's not cool. I want to increase my KD ratio

[cerulean sable]

yeeeup

well he reads them

but like, very quickly

most of his focus is on the bosses

[trim estuary]

He’s streaming rn?

[cerulean sable]

he does try to talk to NPCs when he can

[gilded adder]

I was thinking of getting into it, never had the chance before, but now I do so I might check it out.

[cerulean sable]

yea

[still owl]

can't wait to watch this

after finals....

[pastel silo]

There is also a new pve mode so if you wont like the pvp you can give it a shot

[versed pollen]

Skill issue~

[hollow terrace]

Streamer have to provide content, they can’t be engrossed into the story

[gilded adder]

Isn't that the deckbuilding mode? That does interest me greatly considering I love deckbuilders.

[hollow terrace]

That’s why im skipping dialogue in silksong

I fucking hate story content

[versed pollen]

based

[hollow terrace]

Give me boss to fight

[versed pollen]

I need to do a blind speedrun of Silksong to get the world's first clear

[gilded adder]

I'm most likely going to stream some of my Silksong playthrough, definitely not when I start but maybe some of the midgame/endgame.

[still owl]

I'm def recording all of my SS playthough, more or less for myself

[versed pollen]

I only ever record challenges so that's what I'm going to record

[hollow terrace]

Amateurs im gonna remember my play throughs

[pastel silo]

Yea it is but also a bit different to similiar games. Hard to explain, but if you have time I definetely recommend it, its easy to get into but still very complex compared to for example HS

[versed pollen]

I would say I'm also going to remember my playthrough but I've forgotten what my first HK playthrough looked like

[hollow terrace]

And remember them fondly on a good summer day when Im finally finished with the TC community

[cerulean sable]

also he killed Failed Champ after 1 hour and Soul Tyrant in 5 tries (around 20 mins)

[trim estuary]

you will be stuck here forever

[serene chasm]

Critical?

[cerulean sable]

yeeup

doing LK atm

[versed pollen]

His stream is titled easy game afterall

[hollow terrace]

Like dark souls!!!!

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[versed pollen]

I'm a filthy Celeste player and have never played Dark Souls so I can't give my input

[devout hearth]

Dose anyone feel as though silksong is the blood borne to hollow knight?

[hollow terrace]

dude I have been saying that all this time

[runic adder]

Based

[devout hearth]

[serene chasm]

HK is like the only hard game I actually beat and liked

[versed pollen]

Window I don't remember you telling me I was a filthy Celeste player

[runic adder]

Everyone knows at this point Soapi

[versed pollen]

Well I know that

[devout hearth]

Same well expect for most of the souls series excluding ds2

[hollow terrace]

Look at our old dms messages soapi

[versed pollen]

Holy shit it's true

[runic adder]

I played some of DS3 and didn’t like it tbh

[fiery coral]

[cerulean sable]

i prefer when its a bit slower like DS1

[devout hearth]

Now bloodborne is the good shit though

[runic adder]

I played some of Bloodborne too on the other hand and liked what I played a lot, didn’t get too far though

[fiery coral]

I'm mostly in it for the bosses so DS3's my favourite

[versed pollen]

From the source of my one friend who played DS games apparently DS1 has better areas/levels and DS3 has better bosses

[fiery coral]

would disagree with the first bit

[versed pollen]

My source being one friend? How would you disagree one that!?

[fiery coral]

DS1 has better connectivity but the individual levels themselves I mostly found either mediocre or terrible

[runic adder]

Well I’ve heard the same too

[fiery coral]

with a few exceptions of course but

[versed pollen]

Maybe it's the same one friend

[devout hearth]

I love the part where smough goes Come on and slam welcome to the jam!

[runic adder]

Who are they?

[versed pollen]

I have no idea I forgot who I had the conversation with

[runic adder]

Skill issue

[pastel silo]

But is there a more "wow" moment in ds series than going down the elevator in undead burg and realizing you are back at firelink shrine?

At that moment I was completely hooked

[devout hearth]

Yep

Interconnected world baby

[pastel silo]

Its a feeling that cant be recreated but once it happens for the first time it really makes you appreciate the world

[cerulean sable]

67

[versed pollen]

1984

[fiery coral]

that's fair yeah

[devout hearth]

Who else is hyped for elden ring though?

[fiery coral]

interconnectivity does help but I just wish there was improvement past the initial levels 🥴

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ELDEN RING

[runic adder]

Elden Ring looks fun

[bronze monolith]

Wasn't interested at first but then I completed Dark Souls 3 (first Souls games) a few months ago. Now I'm excited.

[devout hearth]

Yep there’s a jump button A Jump Button!

[versed pollen]

The funniest thing to happen will be when someone finds a BotW level movement glitch in the game so you can zip across the world in 5 seconds

[proud vale]

Unique I bought a 3060 for my new PC

[fiery coral]

||Anor Londo|| and ||Sen's Fortress|| I liked, but then the rest like ||the entire game after O&S|| and ||Depths and Blighttown|| I did not enjoy

[versed pollen]

Unparalleled wealth and fortune

[fiery coral]

I don't know about PCs is that a good thing

[versed pollen]

It's one of the best graphics cards on the market rn

[fiery coral]

[serene chasm]

Nice buy Orange

[versed pollen]

30XXs are infamous for being both incredibly expensive and also nigh-impossible to get your hands on one

[fiery coral]

nice work getting one

[versed pollen]

Truly a flex and a half

[serene chasm]

Everything is expensive. How much did it cost if you dont mind me asking. I cant imagine how much gpus cost down under

[bronze monolith]

I had to sign up to one of those Discord part alerts to get mine.

[still owl]

so did they let you keep your fingers, or did you pay with actual cash

[proud vale]

Cheers pals, got it on a decent sale for cyber Monday about $200 off - still was close to double msrp though

[still owl]

I smell....bribes

[versed pollen]

Back alley deals and black market setups

[fiery coral]

brings new meaning to digit-al payments

[serene chasm]

Im glad I still have my 1070.

[proud vale]

It was $888 down from $1200 I think, msrp is $570 or something

[versed pollen]

I have a 1660 and I don't think I'm going to swap from it anytime soon

[proud vale]

Yeah I was using a 1060 6GB, still worked really well but I saw the deal and then I saw red

[serene chasm]

fuck. thats really good.

[proud vale]

For reference though a large mcchicken meal costs like $12

[versed pollen]

So that's like a lot of large McChicken meals saved

[proud vale]

That’s a lot of mcchickens

[versed pollen]

Wait, is this in USD or CAD?

[proud vale]

AUD

[versed pollen]

Oh man I was way off

[proud vale]

I think it’s midway between CAD and USD buying power of a dollar

[versed pollen]

I was kind of under the impression that you paid with fancy beetles in australia

[proud vale]

Well we call it AUD but it’s basically geo

[versed pollen]

Oh I see

So does that mean I can single handedly inflate your economy by killing people in a colosseum

[silver oak]

Maybe the lord fool was on to something

[serene chasm]

hmm?

how was the other conversation?

[coral void]

idk

i wasn't here

when do you think silksongs gonna come out?

[serene chasm]

In a week

[analog lily]

just a random totally un-related question
but when is TGA?

[fiery coral]

December 9th

a mere week is all that separates us

[sage glade]

tfw silksong wasn't even nominated

[analog lily]

separates us from disappointment yes
just wanna but it on my list to show up with a clown uniform

[sage glade]

ah yes everyone is waiting for gta V for the billionth time

[full rune]

skate 4

[sage glade]

golden joystick awards

is ping on reply disabled in this channel?

[silver oak]

We are officially a week away from silksong news

[silver oak]

No

[sage glade]

dang, everyone here is just polite then i guess

[crisp drift]

you can disable ping on reply?

[olive bobcat]

Most Wanted Game? You mean Need For Speed?

[dusk badger]

but can you disable it server wide?

[crisp drift]

smh Activate the Windows

[sage glade]

it's channel by channel basis (but there obv third party stuff like betterdiscord...)

[crisp drift]

no i mean you said disable ping on reply in this cannel?

so you can make everyone not able to disable ping on reply whatsoever?

[sage glade]

oh, idk about that. i just noticed everyone had it off here when replying to me

[crisp drift]

you'd just ping the guy with the nickname everyone

[sage glade]

tho. i don't get anything

[still owl]

you can actually get rid of the activate windows thing

[crisp drift]

wait you can?

[sage glade]

my screen is big enough for me to not care or notice about the watermark

[still owl]

yeah, I did that for myself

I'd look up how to

[copper knot]

beuruhg

[sage glade]

what do you mean disable windows?

[still owl]

nice @ everyone

[charred pulsar]

I can do @ everyone if you want?

[crisp drift]

NO

[serene chasm]

Do it Simo

[charred pulsar]

There'll be a lot of angry gamers though, expecting Silksong news

[still owl]

I mean
I'd be curious to see how much worse this channel could get

[sage glade]

hey i saw u on daily silksong news!!!

[charred pulsar]

Im sorry I couldn't report any new Silksong news for that day

[sage glade]

insert dicaprio pointing at tv meme

[copper knot]

if i pay you would you @ everyone

[charred pulsar]

They say everyone has a price, I do not

[crisp drift]

I would expect the channel would report the news on #sk-discussion

[still owl]

smh NDA followers

[crisp drift]

like
"this guy is being annoying"

[sage glade]

it could be any one of us

[crisp drift]

"the mod has banned this user for this action. Here's why and how it happens."

[sage glade]

the one with the knowledge of the release date

[still owl]

...most unlikely me thinks

[crisp drift]

or "a new recruitment to the TGA cult! breaking news!"

[serene chasm]

Bonebottom is so good

[sage glade]

the song? yeah it is pretty chill

[serene chasm]

Yup. I bet the town will be pretty chill too

[sage glade]

hearing the ost relieved me of all anxiety ngl

[bright cove]

It will be released in the year 20211

[sage glade]

i realized i don't need to worry, the game is in the best hands it could possibly be

[serene chasm]

My hands are the best though.

[little delta]

Can’t wait until there’s actually something to discuss.

Just gotta wait a little longer. Or not, who knows

[opal geyser]

Team Cherry

[frank sparrow]

we could always discuss tools

[opal geyser]

That’s nothing new

But yes

[serene chasm]

Lets talk about this tool

[opaque harbor]

Looks like that thing that the girl in Shang-Chi wields in the final battle

If anyone knows what that is

[serene chasm]

I dont. Do you have a screenshot of the scene?

[opaque harbor]

Yes

[pallid flare]

drill

[opaque harbor]

Maybe it’s a drill for utility

That would be an interesting mechanic

[serene chasm]

The customization SS will have is going to be amazing.

[opaque harbor]

But it would kind of close down bits of the game

But it might not

It really depends

[bright cove]

You use it to mine blocks oc

It's a sandbox now

[hollow sedge]

surprised its not on there

some of my friends have forgot that silksong even existed

team cherry's strategy is working

[opal geyser]

Or it’s a drill to open up certain areas?

[opaque harbor]

Yeah

A bit like desolate dive for peaks

[opal geyser]

But that wouldn’t explain why it has a certain health bar to it…

[opaque harbor]

It has a certain number of uses

That applies to all tools

I saw it in a play through on Nintendo treehouse

[opal geyser]

But if it can unlock areas, and you run out of it, will you never be able to explore those areas that are undiscovered?

[sacred stratus]

Shell shards are plentiful this shouldn’t be a problem

[opaque harbor]

It’s a bit flawed, like dashing only ten times between benches

[sacred stratus]

Huh?

[opaque harbor]

Because you restore tools at benches

[heavy bluff]

the way i didnt hear about anyone wanting those at all except zelda

[sacred stratus]

But dashes aren’t tied to benches

[opaque harbor]

Exactly having an ability ties to a bench is bad, that’s my point

[sacred stratus]

That’s why I don’t think this is a drill ability

[opaque harbor]

Maybe you throw it

[opal geyser]

Or it’s tied to a quest

[opaque harbor]

But it looks hand held

[modest night]

I feel like ill never use tools if they have limited uses between benches

Brain too scared to waste them

[sacred stratus]

It can be useful like throwing knives

[sage glade]

ER, BOTW, horizon and gow were the only ones i heard about lol

[sacred stratus]

Me in HK with spells

[opaque harbor]

If you can recover them between benches like healing it’d be good tho

Like it takes time

[opal geyser]

There should be another way to regain them through silk

[sacred stratus]

You can but you need shell shards to recover

[opaque harbor]

Mm

[opal geyser]

Unless Benches are more common in Silksong

[sacred stratus]

But shell shards are everywhere so this is not a problem

[opaque harbor]

It would explain why healing is so much quicker in silksong

[modest night]

What about sacrificing health to get back like 3 uses or something

[sacred stratus]

Can be interesting

[cunning geode]

sacrifice health for lifeblood syringe

[opal geyser]

Perhaps

[sacred stratus]

Yeah this is big brain time

[modest night]

Damn true wombat

[cunning geode]

accidentally overdose on lifeblood

[opaque harbor]

That seems a bit cruel though considering how many heart you have at the start

[sacred stratus]

PK when he realises his daughter is using lifeblood:

[cunning geode]

you laugh but there's a real game where the medikit is a syringe you can use to overdose yourself or enemies

[modest night]

What game

[sacred stratus]

IRL

[modest night]

True

[opal geyser]

Silksong hitting hard

[cunning geode]

E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy

you could also get hacked by an ATM in that game

[sacred stratus]

in my country ATM hacks you

[modest night]

Sounds like it's a good game

[cunning geode]

its uh. a game alright

500% edginess so its actually just funny instead

[sacred stratus]

I don’t trust game with “cyber” in their name anymore

[cunning geode]

also 500% complicated shooter game

[sacred stratus]

Oh god…

[cunning geode]

the whole hack mechanic truly elevates it

you can hack enemies and their devices

but you can get hacked back in retaliation

[modest night]

That reminds me of how bad nier automata was

[cunning geode]

so you have to hack yourself to get rid of the virus

[sacred stratus]

Sounds like a game about Linux users

[sage glade]

can't wait for TC to work in guns into the lore

[sacred stratus]

parry this you filthy casual

[modest night]

Nah thats ttaccos job

[sacred stratus]

Really? Everyone told me this game is great

[modest night]

I didnt like it

[sage glade]

it is. has phenomenal soundtrack too

[sacred stratus]

Weeb game so not for me

[modest night]

Boring gameplay and you have to play the game twice to get to the good part according to people who like it

[fiery coral]

preferred the instrumental versions of the soundtrack, personally

gibberish vocals not for me 🥴

[modest night]

Thats min 20 hours of your time and those hours are not enjoyable

[sage glade]

there are 5 endings actually. meaning 5 runs

[modest night]

I love the ost

[sacred stratus]

But is there a difference in gameplay between the two runs?

[modest night]

No there are a lot more

[sage glade]

yeah. minor spoiler ||u play from a different character's pov||

[modest night]

Its just that the first 2 are the same and apparently the third one is why people love it

Well almost the same you just have a terrible hacking minigame to do now

[cunning geode]

hey im gonna go get some gingersnap cookies real quick, dont make any funny jokes until i get back i dont wanna miss anything

[sacred stratus]

Yeah but is there a gameplay difference between the two characters?

[sage glade]

not really. only story and route is different

u fight different bosses

[sacred stratus]

America is gonna invade Pharloom when they realise that the bug robot works on fuel aka oil

[sacred stratus]

Then there is a difference

[modest night]

I find the philosophy part of the game too on the nose and vapid where i stopped

Like with the robots named after philosophers and shit

[cunning geode]

wtf didnt you hear what I said
ohhhh youre in trouble now you rascal

[sacred stratus]

Come at me bro

[fiery coral]

read about an ending in which you just deactivate your own system chip or whatever and that's it, game over

[modest night]

Yeah there are 26 endings iirc, just all the letters

[sacred stratus]

Commit die

[sage glade]

that's one of the meme endings. there are 26, one for each letter

[fiery coral]

[cerulean sable]

i am gonna fucking kick you all the limbs

[sage glade]

there's one where u eat some rotten fish and just die on the spot

[cunning geode]

uh oh, he's gonna kick us all the limbs

[cerulean sable]

King of the Limbs

Now available on Spotify

[sacred stratus]

Fortunately I don’t have any limbs

[modest night]

Hey ttacco youre ready to start working on sspoint when silksong gets announced in a week?

[sacred stratus]

Best ending?

[cerulean sable]

depends if the spells are ass to configure

[sacred stratus]

The mod should be called Silk Point

[fiery coral]

king of the limbs, he's his own right hand man

[cerulean sable]

otherwise its either

1. Hornet's spells are now guns
2. Default weapons is the main attack and spells are special bullet types

[serene chasm]

Why doe everyone show up when I. Getting i to bed

[cerulean sable]

same

now go to sleep

[sacred stratus]

I’m at class rn

[serene chasm]

No

[fiery coral]

goodknight Curly, sleep well

[cerulean sable]

also im calling it Silkstorm because i owe it to Insurgency

[serene chasm]

You're. Ot my real dad!

[sacred stratus]

Sounds good to me

[fiery coral]

did we stutter

[serene chasm]

Ok. Good knight

[fiery coral]

[sacred stratus]

Do a sleep skip

[modest night]

Some people thought gravity rush's or nier's made us gibberish was french btw

Very sad

[fiery coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpqOrFPcWXk basically the only thing I know about Gravity Rush

[modest night]

Yeah same

[fiery coral]

and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxIC6Vu1ee0

thanks ymfah

[modest night]

I like the music of that game too

[cunning geode]

that moment when the minions speak half gibberish half fluent spanish

[modest night]

https://youtu.be/Vt4Dfa4fOEY reminds me of this video

[cunning geode]

yeah minions is fucking jarring unless you cant understand spanish

[modest night]

Thats actually pretty accurate

[cunning geode]

yes this video is pretty accurate

even though i speak english natively i can just tell

[chilly nexus]

FInal Target Eliminated

[sacred stratus]

How is ymfah related to this?

[fiery coral]

he used both of those tracks rather frequently in his less recent videos

it was how I came to know about 'em so

[sacred stratus]

Nice to know

I love his videos

[fiery coral]

[tropic mica]

Are you all that sure it Will be there next week?

[cerulean sable]

lowkey i think one underappreciated element would be the animations on pogo

like im thinking (and i know the visiblity part is another topic to discuss)

if the Knight did a underbarrel spin or variations of it whenever you hit a pogo

right now its essentially just him slashing below up and floating up

whereas in SS, she does different animations

the roll is still IMO the best one vs the overhead sommersault

wtv you call this one

[tropic mica]

Depends left to right or right to left

[sage glade]

somersault

[modest night]

I really like the spidery crawling she does at some point

[normal token]

Watch out, here comes the spider-wyrm!

[chrome wave]

I call this one "the severe spinal injury"

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[drowsy isle]

Diagonal pogo feels so weird

Or at least it does the first time

[modest night]

Oh yeah you remember how hornet has a grapple or somethint? How will that work for kb

[drowsy isle]

You mean how she grabs edges?

[modest night]

No

[cunning geode]

the grapple ability

should work fine on keyboard

just input a direction plus the ability key

[modest night]

Sounds like it will be a lot less accurate than on controller

[cunning geode]

i think it has a set angle

[modest night]

Hopefully

[cunning geode]

they showed her using it three times in a row, every use looked like the same angle

i wouldnt imagine you would be able to just aim straight up and launch yourself skyward

[modest night]

True true

[drowsy isle]

Oh right this grapple ability

Wait can you decide the direction of the grapple? I thought it was just a certain angle

[cunning geode]

yeah thats what we're discussing

probably just a set angle

or maybe multiple set angles but idk

like you input Grapple + Right + Up and it goes up-right

or just Grapple + Right and it goes straight-right

[drowsy isle]

Game is taking so long because TC still hasn’t figured how to make the grapple work on kb

[cunning geode]

hey if i can play strive on keyboard i think TC can make it work

[cerulean sable]

what if you can set up combo traps

like lets say an explosive trap that launches someone forward

then you put a spike trap in front of it

badabing badaboom he steps on it and the first thing his face meets is caltrop

[drowsy isle]

Plague knight

[cunning geode]

oh im sure you should be able to pull that off

that sounds really sick

[proud vale]

The thing is with attacks that make enemies move, you have to animate every frame f them being trapped or moving or getting knocked back by that attack - could be too much to animate for all enemies

[tropic mica]

TC said there will be interconnectivity between tools, so maybe it will become an explosive caltrop

[cerulean sable]

ye ye

im thinking of stuff like

sting shard (the spiky ball trap)

pimpillo

[drowsy isle]

Does someone have a video of Hornet sitting on a bench without all masks

[proud vale]

Stingpillo sounds cool

[cerulean sable]

throwing the pimpillo at it would then launch the spikes in 8 directions kinda like hive knight

[normal token]

In SS you can do a quick rise, right?

[proud vale]

Quick rise?

[tropic mica]

Sounds amazing

[cerulean sable]

those are just mediocre examples on my part

but thats what i think

[normal token]

Like you grab a ledge and just continue jumping without touching the ground

[tropic mica]

Wall jumps, like claw ?

[proud vale]

Yeah she can, she does like a triple front flip while doing it I think

[normal token]

No not that

[cunning geode]

ledge grab

we've seen Hornet have ledge grab from game start

which means more mobility in the early game

[proud vale]

https://youtu.be/Y8lvHT_IQbM 15:53 timestamp

[tropic mica]

Yeeezzz this was 2019

[cunning geode]

yeah

so acrobatic

[proud vale]

She does a stylish double front flip

[cunning geode]

i dont spend much time these days looking at silksong stuff so whenever i catch glimpses of hornet moving its pretty fantastic

[normal token]

Silksong is hollow knight but cooler

[proud vale]

Yeah I can only imagine how they’ve refined the different movement options now

[sacred stratus]

TC reading this be like: “hahaha you think we have refined the movement by now? We spent all this time creating this cute moss deer”

[cerulean sable]

the silk of our song
knee deep in soul
theres one are liars
and ones that dont know 😳

[normal token]

Ttacco vs all non-belivers when

[cerulean sable]

now

[scenic coral]

does anyone remember where the dock key is in the demo vid

[normal token]

Somewhere in the lower corner iirc

[uncut citrus]

not like we got anything better than that sinc then

[sacred stratus]

Like lower left corner or something like that. In a room where the left wall is covered in hot rocks

Coals

[uncut citrus]

yeah lowerest place at the left

but there seems to be a closeddoor where the key is at

probably means that if they keep the same base ofthe map, the zone will continue that way

and the deep docks key could be further after beating a group of enemies or something

or maybe you'll get it after a parkour or a quest

would make sense that you have to "earn" it, but i doubt it iwll be a boss fight since you get the key to unluck the lace fight, so that would make two boss fights in a row

[scenic coral]

i keep forgetting thats its been like 3 years since the reveal it doesnt feel real

[frank sparrow]

thats because its not real this is all in your head

[scenic coral]

[uncut citrus]

oh god nobody let him gets to the data of that DSSN pool for who's part of the TGA cult, we'll never see those yt account answear anymore pool after that

[proud vale]

Discordiummmm my nitro pal

TGA nears at an alarming rate

[scenic coral]

for real im extremely scared

[fleet temple]

Same

[uncut citrus]

im scared of both outcomes

[fleet temple]

The build up to tga is giving me anxiety

[modest night]

there won't be anything dw

[fleet temple]

same

[scenic coral]

Everything will be there

[fleet temple]

That doesn't help

[tired lake]

[brittle garnet]

The problem with that is that IF grapple is a Silk Skill, then those inputs will be for activating other skills

It could be a Crystal Dash like ability, but it cost Silk so it's not certain

[signal crag]

Possibly the silk cost it’s just for a “stronger” version of the same move (that like, actually deals decent damage to be used during combat) but the ability can also be used with no silk cost outside of combat

[sage glade]

leth about to arrive 0.0001ms before TGA to announce there's be gonna be nothing at TGA

[uncut citrus]

and then nobody watchs it but there actually SS at TGA

the trickster

[signal crag]

Is TGA worth watching in general?

Not like i could anyway

[sage glade]

i just watch it to learn about the interesting games i've missed this year. dk about the actual awards, heard some of them are rigged cause of sponsors

[chrome wave]

Objectivly the coolest and best playable knight in shovel knight tresure trove

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[sage glade]

Hollow knight

[chrome wave]

I agree

[tough glen]

How do you know when in combat or not?

[alpine crane]

Similar to hornet's gameplay swinging around from one point to the other , gunvolt chronicles luminous avenger iX game featuring Copen/Akira is similar and it's getting a new game on January

I tried the first game and it was really really fun

[maiden forge]

I guess if you have the time. Though the awards themselves kinda suck, I think most people watch it for the trailers. But you could just watch those later

[normal token]

Only for silksong

[proud vale]

SS combat will be pretty much like Ori 1 ||/s||

[stoic thistle]

How?

Ori 1 had pretty mid combat

[burnt compass]

ori 1 had no combat

[stoic thistle]

Only from the trailer of SS it has way better combat

[burnt compass]

also he is sarcastic if you didn't notice

[stoic thistle]

Ah

Im stupid

[normal token]

No

You smart

[burnt compass]

never tell yourself that your stupid always be proud of your intelligence!

[maiden forge]

I'm guessing silksong has an emphasis on combat rather than platforming

[burnt compass]

i think they said in the edge magazine that silksong will focus a lot more on combat

[stoic thistle]

[uncut citrus]

something liek that yeah

tho i hope there still good platforming

[cerulean sable]

one thing ive noticed and reminded me again after watching cr1tikal's stream, the colosseum soldiers goes no brain the moment you reach enough range away from them, which IIRC is something they did address in magazine

like, you cant just slap and run away

[signal crag]

Sorry, didn’t worded that very cleary:
My idea was that, if used when you have enough silk, it can deal decent damage to an enemy, making it an option during combat; if you DON’T have the silk requirement, you STILL can cast it, but the damage will be close to zero, but still possible to use it as a movement ability.

This IF it’s an ability necessary to progress in some areas of the map, without having to get enough silk each time, unless that’s barely an issue

[uncut citrus]

ddark is used for some areas

could be the same thing, it costs stuff but its not that much of an issue

[normal token]

Ddark iframes good

[uncut citrus]

...im talking about breaking ground tho

[burnt compass]

you know how in hollow knight you could upgrade your spells too void spells.

i wonder if you will be able too do something similar in ss

[uncut citrus]

there will probably be kinda the same thing, or dmg based on your needle dmg

late game enemies will have to be more powerful

[signal crag]

As long it’s not te weird complexity progression HK enemies had, it should be fine

[cerulean sable]

heavies and winged chased him yeah

especially heavies will charge at you

whereas shielded and throwing fools are just like

"I WILL FUCKING RIP YOUR FA- Im on patrol🎵 I'm on patrol 🎵 "

[hushed wasp]

[hushed wasp]

he did hollowknight?

[cerulean sable]

yeah he just did his 3rd stream today

[hushed wasp]

ooh cool, i love cr1tikal

[cerulean sable]

currently beaten:
Hornet
All 3 Dream rematches (tyrant, kin, champion)
GPZ
Trials 1 and 2 (he currently gave up after trying ToF considering hes kinda under geared)
Gorb and Xero

Upgrades:
18? Charms
6-7 notches
6 Masks
Nail Level 3
Dgate
Ismas
Cdash
Djump
Dive and Fireball 1

[hushed wasp]

very pog, cant wait to see him do r5ab

[tiny pine]

cr1tikal plays HK ?
that's kinda neat

[cerulean sable]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1221517034

[tiny pine]

oo

[hushed wasp]

aa

[tiny pine]

i should really try to catch one of his streams

[cerulean sable]

i think hes digged the combat considering he redid TOF for an entire hour

but otherwise he doesnt like blind wandering too much so he has chat to guide him where he can go

chat was literally half split with
"GO LEFT TO COLO"
"NO GO RIGHT SO YOU CAN REACH HORNET 2"

[hushed wasp]

lmao

i love how people portray their emotions on twitch

by screaming

[heavy bluff]

i had a dream about silksong but it wasnt really silksong just hornet in a cool ass costume

[uncut citrus]

"this game's like 6 or 7years old or something" ehhhh close enough i guess

[drowsy isle]

well Hollow Knight released almost 5 years ago so close enough

[uncut citrus]

i guess

[cerulean sable]

time flies

i went from "fuck replayability, this is gonna be the first game that im about to buy that isnt gonna give me 400+ hours of replayability. Time for my first 10-15 hour short game"

to "silKSONG SIilskogn SILKSONG SILKISONG SILSOG"

[burnt compass]

when i first played hollow knight i thought it was a pretty good game but when i watched mossbags videos and played the game again it went from good game too top 3 favorite games

[cerulean sable]

for real, i had 0 expectations other than it has good artstyle and people were saying its good

when i first heard the main menu theme

i was like

"shit, this is not filling my mental stereotype of what my perspective of platformers are supposed to be"

cuz i expected retro/rock music considering my perspective on indie platformers is mostly on games like Super Meat Boy

and they tend to have those 8 bit/electric guitar music

[drowsy isle]

i fucking love super meat boy

[burnt compass]

it kinda blew my minde how big hollow knights world was when i first played it

[cerulean sable]

yeah im not knocking against SMB

[drowsy isle]

super meat boy's platforming is so much better than celeste's IMO

[cerulean sable]

but ya get, its my only perspective of indie platformers

[cerulean sable]

i rode the tram, expecting to get back to the one near cross roads

"what the fuck these are 2 different areas ive never been to before"

[burnt compass]

i remember my reaction when milabell stole all my money lol

[dreamy lava]

I don't really know what the game has but definitely has something special

[burnt compass]

for me its the world the lore and the replayability of it

[dreamy lava]

Is not even close to a creative game or anything, but has some special aura that surrounds it

[drowsy isle]

The combat of HK is so good

[burnt compass]

it dosen't do anything new but what it does it does really well

[drowsy isle]

the spells are so diverse and different

[coarse leaf]

Me after literally every boss fight in HK
"Holy moly that was fun, this is one of my favorite boss fights"

[drowsy isle]

It's insane how every single base combat moves are being used in stuff like P5 AB

[wanton crest]

said no one ever after rad markoth

[burnt topaz]

Me after refighting every hollow knight boss
"that boss was really fun but not as fun as pure vessel "

[drowsy isle]

not a single nail art or spell is not good enough or too good

[dreamy lava]

Until you get to Godhome and you end up hating almost every boss

[burnt topaz]

Descending dark is pretty damn good

Those I frames are so good

[dreamy lava]

Abyss Shriek is also so satisfying when used

[drowsy isle]

cyclone dash as well

both are high risk high reward

[burnt compass]

i never really used the nail arts

[drowsy isle]

they're very good tho, I wouldn't recommend missing out on them

especially if you do hard stuff like P5 AB

[cerulean sable]

honestly hope we rich potential levels of ToF early on in SS

[dreamy lava]

For markoth and the colosseum are a must the nail arts

[cerulean sable]

and i dont mean difficulty, i mean in terms of maneuverability and just dodging

[drowsy isle]

Do you want silksong to be harder or easier than Hollow Knight

[burnt topaz]

I can't use them on the go so I only use narts when I know when to use them, like in the pancakes guy fight

[cerulean sable]

in vanilla mostly it just boils down to walk forward, slash, go back, etc

TOF really stretched it like requiring you to pogo above spikes

[burnt compass]

same difficulty as hk pls

[drowsy isle]

I wouldn't be against a harder game

[burnt compass]

maybe a bit harder

[cerulean sable]

i dont care about difficulty in general

its a good part of t he game but it excels in a lot more
besides they already said its gonna be a similar difficulty anyway

[drowsy isle]

I like when a game is though and fair, really intensifies the satisfaction of beating a boss

[burnt compass]

i have played so much hk that i can almost beat pantheon 5 on my first try every time so it might be good if ss is harder

[fiery coral]

Just don't have stuff like PoH and we're good

[winter cypress]

i'd love a harder game but thats not what they're aiming for

[drowsy isle]

why not?

[cerulean sable]

exactly

[neat palm]

Difficulty is irrelevant, it will be as difficult as it will be - what I really wanna know is when it's coming out.

[drowsy isle]

we should have like insanely hard stuff in silksong if we want almost infinite content

[cerulean sable]

they already said the game is intended to be consumable even for new players

[burnt topaz]

Just a place to refight bosses

[lament lotus]

yeah they're trying to make it accesible for everyone afaik

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[fiery coral]

this is enough

[cerulean sable]

"Were not trying to make a harder game than HK"

[drowsy isle]

why does it matter to you if PoH is in the game if you don't do it anyway

[cerulean sable]

the only reason i never did P5 was its because its boring to slog through low tier bosses that feels like a waste of time

[fiery coral]

the Pantheons are unnecessary at best, and, if made mandatory for completion, long and tedious

[cerulean sable]

ive already destroyed FK, i just need to fight FC

[neat palm]

How firm is that february rumour? that'll be like 3 years after the announcement, right?

[cerulean sable]

we dont know

[drowsy isle]

I find them fun, you don't have to do them

[burnt compass]

well it would be nice if you could at least rematch bosses in ss so you can practice

[fiery coral]

it locked two endings, a """"new"""" boss, and an achievement behind it

[drowsy isle]

tbh I don't like this mindset of "I don't want more content because I might not be able to do them" when a lot of people would be able to do them, but I mean it's fine if you believe so

[wanton crest]

a cool boss rush too

[drowsy isle]

I just strongly disagree with it

[fiery coral]

if it's really necessary, make it clear that it's entirely up to the player and has no other reward like Sekiro did, I'd say

[neat palm]

Have TC said yay or nay to being at the game awards next week?

[cerulean sable]

we dont
know

[drowsy isle]

I forgot about the existence of damn

[cerulean sable]

tldr theyve been silent, most of the stuff you see in the air is just speculation

[fiery coral]

Have it, sure, just make it clear it's optional and don't tie anything to it

[drowsy isle]

why not? you don't have to complete the game

[neat palm]

no harm asking, and no need to be a dick about it.

[cerulean sable]

i didnt mean to sound hostile

just literally saying that until now TC has not made a single statement for the past year

[fiery coral]

...? What

[cerulean sable]

so most of us are just speculating for something this month

[drowsy isle]

I'm glad P5 AB is a thing because it makes the potential difficulty of the game huge

[neat palm]

Surely they need to say something, and soon - when things go this long I tend to struggle to be hype for a game when there is no solid information about it for a long time.

[cerulean sable]

most of what we just know is, TGA has contacted back in 2018 and 2019

[drowsy isle]

@fiery coral If the reward for P5 wasn't worth it, it would be a bad thing, the good reward behind this hard challenge is what makes it good

[cerulean sable]

both they turned down because 1st one was "were not ready to show anything yet" and "weve already shown shit in feb, tf else can we show?"

[drowsy isle]

you have to earn the achievements and endings

[fiery coral]

this part of the game is unnecessarily difficult and tedious for the stuff it locks behind it, I don't think it's good to have
well then just don't do it and never see that part of the game

I don't get this do developers really design every bit of hard content with "eh screw them doesn't matter if they don't complete it"

[cerulean sable]

i think its for the best, they dont need to hype game theyre not ready about it

cuphead has already released a "2019" and "2020" teaser and its still not out

[drowsy isle]

no but they said it would release in 2021

[cerulean sable]

i think HK has a good enough dedicated fanbase that everyone will go apeshit once SS comes out

[drowsy isle]

so it's going to happen in the next month, right?

[dreamy lava]

TC doesn't really worry on players not watching every piece of content, that makes the world of Hallownest more alive

[neat palm]

I dunno - it's an indie three years in the making, it's not like MGSV or Death Stranding, where they are HUUUGE games and actually will need 3-5 years in the oven. They announced almost three years ago, and likely were working on it for some time before the announcement.

[fiery coral]

I'd say it's better if there wasn't a reward at all because then it's entirely up to the player

As it is, making people fight 40 bosses in a row, followed by the laziest clone of a boss I've ever seen, in order to see some endings is not what I'd call good design, personally

[neat palm]

Guess i'm just impatient at this point, I need to know when it's coming out.

[fiery coral]

how does it help Hallownest feel more alive if a player is frustrated with how long and hard PoH is

[sweet bluff]

i check in on this channel for a second

[cerulean sable]

it's not like MGSV or Death Stranding, where they are HUUUGE games and actually will need 3-5 years in the oven
you forgot theyre a 3 man indie team getting backed with huge expectations + no limited budget anymore

they had stories where they had to release early because HK because they ran out of budget

to the point they were eating left over sandwiches from a nearby office

and they mentioned if they could, HK couldve been released with what it was in 2018 IF they had the budget

[burnt compass]

some games are hard and saying that they shouldn't be hard because some people cant play it is kinda annoying too me. why should all games follow a what just few people want when the game is aiming for a different demographic?

[cerulean sable]

they have none of that issues anymore, they can scale the game as much as they want, i think 3-5 years is not unreasonable for a team that small

[sweet bluff]

i think having hard challenges in games are cool and i don’t mind locking an achievement behind them because hey! you can flex! i think the problem is that i think godmaster is rushed

[neat palm]

I don't think it's unreasonable either. What i'm saying is, at this stage, they need to be more forthcoming with information more regularly if they expect to build hype for sales.

[drowsy isle]

A reward is supposed to motivate you, and in this case, it's supposed to motivate you finish P5, if the reward was just a journal entry it wouldn't really matter

[cerulean sable]

i mean im not against them giving out a bit more info either

im just saying that i think "3-5 years is unreasonable" isnt the case here

should they at least give a couple of updates? yeah i dont mind
is 3-5 years "unreasonable"? no i dont think so

[sweet bluff]

wait cuphead?

[cerulean sable]

they gave out 2 trailers saying 2019 and 2020 release for their DLC

look where we are now

[sweet bluff]

wait cuphead dlc?

[cerulean sable]

exactly why they didnt give a timeframe anyway, because according to them they wanted to avoid the "Early 2018" stuff they did for Godmaster

[cerulean sable]

yeah

Delicious Last Course

[sweet bluff]

huh
i completely missed this stuff

[cerulean sable]

it was announced back in 2019 iirc

[neat palm]

Yeah, I can be a bit harsh, or rather, extreme with my comments sometimes. What I meant was "3-5 years, and a year with no real update" is kinda unreasonable to me. I don't want to be or seem entitled about it (Satan knows "The Gamers tm" can be like that, but at the same time, we paid for the game, I woulda paid for the DLC, and many of us have spent a tonne of money buying the merch to support the team. I just want a little bit more than we have rn.

[sweet bluff]

yeah it’s very clear that godmaster got rushed because of the release date

[drowsy isle]

oh yeah i forgot about the Cuphead Netflix show

[sweet bluff]

wait what?

[drowsy isle]

June 2018 actually

[sweet bluff]

what??? i’ve been missing out on a lot of cuphead news

[drowsy isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYmIRkitnnQ

[fiery coral]

In that case, if it is really necessary to motivate players to finish P5, design P5 better, then. Rather than the current mess we have which is 'here fight all bosses in the game in a row, including all the filler, topped off with just the main game's boss but now faster even though the final bosses of the previous boss rushes were actually unique and fresh and relatively well designed'

[drowsy isle]

P5 really isn't that bad

[modest night]

it's boring but hey i was happy when i finished it

[drowsy isle]

like if you have quick slash and strength you destroy most bosses

[neat palm]

^^ This

[modest night]

if you have shaman it's just a cake walk most bosses just died in 30 sec with spells

[drowsy isle]

now P5 AB is a different story but tbh I find it somewhat fun, especially since the lifeblood give an incentive to not get hit

[modest night]

yeah i'll never do p5 ab

[cerulean sable]

I mean i get you, were all excited with this game
From their clause its always been "were busy working on the game, wed rather focus on that than to make and prepare a blogpost"

what ive read in the APWOT magazine is, theyre just never into making social media stuff that often, they tend to do their own things

Leth has already warned them that he feels like theyre adding too much to the game and it should be squashed into DLCs, and Graig mentioned how fast they come up with ideas on the spot with how efficient they are

i just think the wait is in a way, they finally can reach their complete artistic vision without budget compromise

And if i remember correctly, i think they prefer the silence due to being able to focus on their work + and building hype for a product thats not ready yet will end up making more negative traction

[modest night]

too long too tedious not for me

[burnt compass]

personaly i like p5 but a good way to make it easier would be too have checkpoints

[drowsy isle]

I died two times on the last phase of AbsRad in P5 AB yesterday 🙃

[cerulean sable]

i wouldnt mind no checkpoints if the thing just included the S tier bosses

is it an endurance test in a way? sure
but im not really engaged fighting Elder Hu doing his invuln RNG attack either

[modest night]

oh yeah about silksong i'm scared they'll add so much that the game will feel like an uncoordinated mess

[sinful flare]

yes my favorite thing in silksong is the pantheons

[sinful flare]

true i hope they keep things simple

[burnt compass]

just dash trough them

[cerulean sable]

its not dodging thats hard, its waiting for the time to actually be able to retalliate

ive redone P3 a lot and i always groan with how early Hu is and how i feel he wastes my time if i get bad RNG

again, its being "engaging"

[neat palm]

Sure. At the same time, the social media is surely Leth's MO/Job? They don't need to focus on it almost at all other than a little oversight. Totally agree about scope though, they don't need to Kojima too much - I don't have expectations when it comes to the game itself. HK was as close to perfect as it could be, even pre DLC, I trust TC to bring the goods.

[modest night]

yeah dream warriors in general are very not good

[burnt compass]

dash trough hit him dash trough hit him thats the trick

[fiery coral]

Subjective it kept me away from actively playing the game for a couple months

[cerulean sable]

ive rather get bosses that are 24/7 vulnerable for most of the time

[fiery coral]

For me it was less 'YAAAY I DID THIS HARD THING' and more 'thank God I'm done with this'

[cerulean sable]

stuff like NKG is the peak of this, you can bonk him at any attack except spikes and puffer (unless you use spells)

youre dodging AND learning how to slip in damage

hu just summons his hammers and you just gotta wait for them

[burnt compass]

it took me about a year to finish god master lol

[modest night]

i just spent a lot of time practicing absrad when i unlocked her so i finished it fine after reaching the end

i'll never touch ab tho

[drowsy isle]

I wouldn't call NKG the peak of this tbh considering he's unvulnerable like 75% of the time

[fiery coral]

also the fact that P5's exclusive boss on its own is buggy and lazy just put me off from it a lot because they clearly didn't put much effort into it at all

[cerulean sable]

yeah and Leth encouraged them to do blogs and theyre seem not keen about it

[sweet bluff]

personally i think the main problem with p5 is absrad herself
now as you know i haven’t fought absrad yet but from watching way too many vids and studying the strategies in preparation

she really does lack… something
personally i think it’s more in the presentation of absrad that makes it feel like it’s just radiance + 1.

she could have had a few new attacks and the final phase (and buildup) id say is great but considering how… similar the attacks of nkg and pv were handled (ESPECIALLY PV), yet those two are still great bosses, it’s probably the similar visuals that make it feel… meh

or maybe it’s just the way normal radiance is structured that makes buffing it unfun? again i can’t give opinion on gameplay but… yeah

tldr: “You’re a good boss, just not a great one”
“Oh yeah? What’s the difference?”
“PRESENTATION!”

[drowsy isle]

Pure vessel is tho, I don't think I've seen him being unvulnerable a lot

[cerulean sable]

i mean hes vulnerable during his attacks

[modest night]

absrad is my favourite boss like idk

it's very fun

[cerulean sable]

and at least you can slip in through most of them

[modest night]

less repetitive than the others

[cerulean sable]

if Hu was just in the center of the screen while he does the slam then im more than willing to forgive it

otherwise hes just a boring wall in P3

[sweet bluff]

woah, how are you mod! i thought all mods needed to hate absrad to apply /j

[drowsy isle]

I hope bosses in silksong have very distinctive phases

[burnt compass]

Unpopular gaming opinion: NKG is overrated and boring to fight after a while

[modest night]

yeah

obviously

great the first time you fight him tho

[cerulean sable]

i mean yeah, once you hit his peak, hes a lot less flexible

[drowsy isle]

ok but he's cool

objectively

[cerulean sable]

i agree with Anderson on his review, hes not a problem when hes fought outside the Pantheons

but once you do fight him on repeat, he gets very stale

[burnt compass]

yes he is a cool character i'll give him that

[sweet bluff]

PV is basically “THK but really fast” + focus and void tendrils
AbsRad is “radiance but fast” + final phase

NKG is fine he’s unique enough but still

[modest night]

it's like how sisters of battle is very boring once you kill one of the 3 sisters

[cerulean sable]

they should have a shorter but combined healthpool

[modest night]

yeah

[sweet bluff]

nkg is great buildup great presentation and great boss design but i agree when you get good it gets repetitive because… he’s kinda easy?

[cerulean sable]

its a big miss in TC's part on an otherwise fantastic 3 v 1

i dont think theyll be making the same mistake in SS hopefully

[modest night]

i love doing sisters of battle spellless because otherwise one of the sisters dies in 0.2 sec

and it's not fun

[sweet bluff]

PV is the best IMO because he’s literally able to be attacked every single attack with a big opening yet still manages to be difficultish

[cerulean sable]

yeah i put PV above NKG

[upper sigil]

even spelless they die too fast for me

[modest night]

yeah

they do

it's sad

[upper sigil]

sob nail 0

[cerulean sable]

its also why i think GPZ is a good boss that just needs a bit of refinement

[fiery coral]

To me she lacks anything that could make me want to fight her

What's she got over regular Radiance that makes her worth facing down 40 bosses in a row for? Nothing. It's the same attacks, same-y arena, same music, everything's similar aside from what we might charitably describe as a 'new' phase, i.e. a smaller arena with one attack that isn't new on its own. All she has is speed

[upper sigil]

now it actually last

[cerulean sable]

hes sporadic that you have to act and adapt on the go

[drowsy isle]

I fucking love this sprite

[modest night]

yeah nkg is based

[burnt compass]

he looks like a gen 8 pokemon starter

[fiery coral]

That's not to mention that she's the buggiest boss in the game 🥴

[upper sigil]

i never realised how fucking long nkg arms are

[cerulean sable]

meanwhile NKG has the same output for each of his sequence
GPZ has moments where youll be thinking whether its better to dash through this open area or kill the sprites now, or should you get better distance and run away, etcc

[winter cypress]

NKG is great boss because he always leaves spaces to attack and teleports the same amount of space away from you every attach so its like you're taking turns

[wanton crest]

i want a sister of battle fight where they have infinte health but they get more and more fast, and you must survive and damage them for the longest time possible

[modest night]

i mean the bugs i got in a lot of tries were just floating spears and the void thing

[fiery coral]

Infinite SoB would be a cool mod

[modest night]

so no big deal ngl

[fiery coral]

Like Infinite Grimm

[sweet bluff]

FYI (excluding arguably absrad according to unq ) all of the newer bosses are fucking great

i haven’t fought absrad and IFSMEVDOGPTBPGPZ so can’t that judge that

[burnt compass]

i like to refer to Grimm as hollow knights sans

[winter cypress]

thats why its so easy to lose the first time you get hit because you've lost the rhythm

[fiery coral]

The Void thing is more than capable of ending runs though

[drowsy isle]

bosses are actually quite fun in P5 AB, beating a boss that takes a long time while trying to lose a minimum amount of lifeblood makes it tedious and challenging all the way through and even bosses like Xero or lost vessel are satisfying

[cerulean sable]

overall i think William's boss designing has definitely improved if you look at the DLCs

[modest night]

it only happens if you pogo

so don't

[sweet bluff]

Wdym?

[modest night]

it's not even efficient dps wise

[drowsy isle]

but of course there is stuff like Marmu and Collector and Markoth who just eat your lifeblood

[upper sigil]

imo p5 should have absrad as a false final boss

[sweet bluff]

yessss

[cerulean sable]

Oro and Mato are a fantastic duo boss thats only fought by a few due to the nature of its DLC

[fiery coral]

cool but I don't expect BS bugs from a boss that's caused me so much pain to reach her

[modest night]

i mean yeah obviously

[fiery coral]

I expect any form of novelty

Any motivation

[modest night]

idk i liked it

[drowsy isle]

also the other day I realized oro and mato have the attacks of sly which shouldn't have taken me that long

[modest night]

dodging the balls of her first attack by pogoing her is very fun imo

[burnt compass]

sheo is actually one of my favorite bosses in hk i just like he's animations when he attacks

[sweet bluff]

^ all godmaster bosses (-absrad and wnosk haven’t fought those yet) are fucking amazing
WD is great
both grimm fights are great

[fiery coral]

anything that makes me say, yes, this fight is better than the regular version and is definitely worth spending an hour fighting the filler

[modest night]

winged nosk is as boring as normal nosk

[drowsy isle]

I hate nosk so much

[cerulean sable]

yeah, whereas vanilla HK can be kinda okayish at points

i think for Flying nosk, they just ran out of ideas but really wanted the flying version

[sweet bluff]

WAIT
THEY DO

[burnt compass]

winged nosk is just vengefly king

[cerulean sable]

because out of the rest of GM's bosses, its the only thing that sticks out like a sore thumb

[fiery coral]

The realisation hits

[modest night]

considering most of my playtime was spent in godhome i kinda wonder how things will be in ss

because the base hk game isn't very hard at all

[sweet bluff]

yeah flying nosk (from what i’ve seen) and absrad (again from what i’ve seen) definitely looks like it was made nearing the release date

[fiery coral]

They're not having another Godhome and I could not be happier

[cerulean sable]

others felt like "lets carefully design these bosses as a culmination of my skills to designing bosses in the past years"

flying nosk was "but but i really want this cool nosk design in the game :("

[modest night]

and i want challenge but i'm worried that since it won't have a dlc like godhome it won't be very hard at all

[sweet bluff]

wdym

[drowsy isle]

honestly there's nothing I want more than a second godhome in silksong

[sweet bluff]

fan fiction boss

[drowsy isle]

@ocean mulch I know you're here hello chroma

[modest night]

being able to refight bosses is so nice

[velvet ruin]

Yeah I like bossrushes

[sweet bluff]

i don’t really know what they could have done for radiance visual overhauls

[fiery coral]

A boss refight mechanic would be great, don't get me wrong, but if that's the cost for not having long rushes that don't need to be mandatory for completion and yet still are, I'd happily take that

[velvet ruin]

P5 was so satisfying to beat

[cerulean sable]

i think Lace is already a step up to Hornet, i think a lot of the mid game boss design of HK is packed in her already

[burnt compass]

its fine if ss dosen't have a boss rush but at least let me re fight bosses

[ocean mulch]

Lace looks sooo fun

[modest night]

i hope so but im unsure ttacco

like some people are gonna play ss without having played hk first

so i don't think they'll step up the difficulty so much

[ocean mulch]

Normal enemies in SS will be harder too

[cerulean sable]

its not always about difficulty

[modest night]

hopefully the ones in hk were jokes

[drowsy isle]

not really a hot take but completion is supposed to be challenging and complaining about hard stuff locking completion doesn't really make sense

[modest night]

it is ttacco

hard bosses are a lot more fun

[sinful flare]

we're going to mod in one

[burnt compass]

idk what team cherry is on about ss not being harder then hk it looks harder too me

[drowsy isle]

wait how do we know they're not having another godhome actually

[modest night]

im assuming they're not gonna add dlcs

[cerulean sable]

i had more fun against Soul Warrior than i had against majority of the dream warriors that i found troublesome

[sweet bluff]

i think P5 is fine as a “hey look how far you came” thing but i wish they put a checkpoint right before all the hard bosses
hey maybe you have to reach that part, say, 5 times before it unlocks an option to start PoH from there
but yeah i don’t really wanna do p5 because getting through the early bit looks like a slog

[drowsy isle]

oh right but it could be in the base game

[modest night]

ttacco that's not hard that's bad

[fiery coral]

I mean the Pantheons are quite far removed and a significant step up in difficulty from the base game

[modest night]

key difference

[velvet ruin]

I'm fine with new Godhome not being mandatory for completion, but I'd still want it in the game

[modest night]

like dream warriors are terrible design wise, extremely boring bosses

[sweet bluff]

let’s make everything as hard as pantheons then

[cerulean sable]

difficulty can improve a boss fight's enjoyability but then again i find Watcher fights to be ass pull as hell

[drowsy isle]

wdym Marmu is very fair and fun

[modest night]

they're not hard at all they're just very bad

i want good difficulty

[cerulean sable]

i mean, them being hard is also a result of them being bad

[modest night]

no no

[burnt compass]

lets make every boss in ss a boss rush

[modest night]

that's not what i call hard

[tired lake]

true. I played through hollow knight too much I always just wanna fight the bosses. So I put the game on, p5 or hitless Pure vessel or radiance

[fiery coral]

could then make any hard stuff mandatory, going by that logic 🥴 why not Rad HoG or P5AB then

[drowsy isle]

I like dream bosses as a one time mini-boss that gives dream essence but as bosses in the pantheon they're not as good tbh

[sweet bluff]

they have 1-2 attacks
they fly
2nd phase if you’re generous
boom all dream warriors

[modest night]

yeah

it's terrible

[velvet ruin]

HK has a lot of bosses but I would say like half of them or less are actually good bosses

[sweet bluff]

agree

[upper sigil]

imo a difficulty system would be good

[modest night]

a good hard boss would be a harder version of sob

you get what i mean?

[sweet bluff]

the good bosses are amazing the bad bosses are boring as hellllll

[ocean mulch]

Sob?

[fiery coral]

Mantis Gods

Sisters of Battle

[modest night]

or like imagine heroic endless from dg but she actually is harder, she has a lot of cool attacks in her moveset

[sweet bluff]

[upper sigil]

if we could choose the difficulty everyone would be happy

[ocean mulch]

Idk some people are bad at gaem

[drowsy isle]

Also dark souls 3 has the most diversity in bosses of the series and every bosses have multiple phases, I think silksong should take example and work on the quality of the bosses and less the quantity

[burnt compass]

that is really hard too make

it would be like botw hard mode its really bad

[upper sigil]

just takes time

[sweet bluff]

eh

[drowsy isle]

nobody's going to argue that DS2 bosses are better than the DS3 ones

[ocean mulch]

Maybe silksoul mode will give us the extra kick

[upper sigil]

and silksong got load of it

unlike hk

[fiery coral]

Agreed

[ocean mulch]

Silksong has had like 4 years

[sweet bluff]

good hard(ish) is the grimm fights, PV, nailmasters (all), SoB

[cerulean sable]

regardless i dont care if they keep the diff the same as it was in HK for base game as theyll end up providing end game content to fill in those anyway

[drowsy isle]

oh right i forgot about silk soul, i can't fucking wait for the game

[fiery coral]

DS3 bosses

[upper sigil]

takes time to make a good game

[drowsy isle]

silk soul instantly rises up the hype

[sinful flare]

dont starve 3?!?!?!?!!!?!?!!!?????!!!!

[ocean mulch]

Well HK had sameish

[upper sigil]

the more waiting the better quality

[cerulean sable]

we dont even know what Silk soul does yet

[ocean mulch]

Plus the engine change

[sinful flare]

(true)

[drowsy isle]

it makes the game harder and that's the only thing that matters to me

[upper sigil]

hope it wont be as lame as steel soul

[modest night]

i don't like how different difficulties are handled in most games

[sweet bluff]

it takes a LOT of time to make a good hardmode
ultrakill is an example but that was designed from the very start
say BOTW or the literal entire ascended difficulty are pretty low effort and bad

[drowsy isle]

having a different harder game mode

[sweet bluff]

master mode from terraria is very low effort

[modest night]

it's just oh this attack deals more damage now

have fun

[ocean mulch]

The AIs should change not the damages

[sinful flare]

it's a step up from expert but expert mode is still pretty awesome

[velvet ruin]

I hope Silk soul is like a NG+, where you keep items and abilities you collected before but enemies are stronger

[ocean mulch]

"stronger"

[sweet bluff]

yes that takes a lot of effort to do though and preferably be made with it in mind

[modest night]

i think hk's difficulty is accessible to anybody with time

[ocean mulch]

Yeah I'm talking about games in general

[nimble radish]

master mode was literally just expert but bigger numbers

[modest night]

but a bit too easy

[sinful flare]

or certain areas could be spiced up with more obstacles no idea anym

[sweet bluff]

fun for some people? sure i guess
low effort? 100% i was disappointed as helllll

[upper sigil]

master mode is fine imo

[velvet ruin]

Also yeah, but that would require a lot of time to make

[upper sigil]

sure it could be better but its still decent

[sweet bluff]

expert isn’t fun for everyone but it’s great, boss AI changes with meaningful special loot

[burnt compass]

i hate the hard mode in botw. every enemy just takes like 10 min to kill because they have som much health and i couldn't even fight some of the bosses in that game because all stuff broke

[ocean mulch]

A lot of difficulty settings in games are just padding

[cerulean sable]

AI being harder doesnt automatically mean it gets better though
there was a game they made a really good AI where it would flank you and shit, and the playtesters complained that it was cheating

the goal is to make them fun to fight against rather than turning them to esports player, but majority of games just makes do more damage anyway so it doesnt matter

[upper sigil]

turn the ia into the average wall hack aimbot player

[sinful flare]

true i really like the ai changes

[upper sigil]

pretty fair

[burnt compass]

i like the hard mode in metroid dread because it makes things just hit harder so its not as annoying too kill enemies

[silver oak]

TTacco when do you sleep

[cerulean sable]

i dont mind HK being accessible in general either as im fine with people being able to enjoy the other stuff the game has to offer

i dont

[upper sigil]

hk default difficulty is fine

[silver oak]

You’re online every single time I come on here

[ocean mulch]

SS will be harder imo

[cerulean sable]

i wont be in the next 4 hours

[ocean mulch]

Just from what I've been observing

[cerulean sable]

i just wake up early due to work

[upper sigil]

i hope it wont be too easy for hk veterans imo

[burnt compass]

You only sleep 4 hours

[wanton eagle]

please Markoth in ss

[cerulean sable]

ive gotten 5-6 hours of sleep everyday for the past 2 weeks

[burnt compass]

That’s not good

[cerulean sable]

i can live with it

[silver oak]

Ok well
Same

[ocean mulch]

That's very good wdym

[sweet bluff]

personally the only real difficultybspike for me in HK was P3 and Hornet 2, everything else didn’t take too long (PV and NKG exceptions but i don’t count them as spikes because they don’t feel like spikes)

[cerulean sable]

i think healing though is a big factor in terms of difficulty

you have to learn both on openings for attacking, dodging attacks AND openings for healing

[brittle garnet]

I hope Silk Soul will change the difficulty in a fun way, Steel Soul wasn't really a fun challenge.

[cerulean sable]

in SS i think its streamlined with how interwined healing is in movement

[sweet bluff]

longer healing time?

[velvet ruin]

Steel Soul is kinda boring

[wanton eagle]

kinda

[cerulean sable]

healing is ofc still something you should time, but your focus is now on patterns and deaing damage

[ocean mulch]

Youre

[cerulean sable]

u

[sweet bluff]

i’m excited for silksong because i love movement

[wanton eagle]

I hope there will be smth similar to godmaster dlc in ss

[cerulean sable]

a lot of the new players ive seen tends to be

"oh shit i got hit, i gotta heal- oh fuck i timed it wrong, im hit, i have to heal- oh fuck- ehh i cant win this im gonna die wtv"

whereas SS' loop will most likely gonna be "as long as i keep getting hits, i can easily turn this entire thing upside down"