sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

Eh it's true that TC's never gone a year before without info but they also hadn't gone 10 months without either

Until they did

At the end of the day it may just come down to whether or not TC has anything worthwhile to say

[tawdry valley]

Or that they’re willing to say

[opaque sigil]

If they aren't willing to say it then they probably don't consider it worth saying

[formal kelp]

We could just go with no blogpost until release lol

[pallid flare]

that would be quite humorous I would say

[trim marten]

Hi I don't speak much English who wants to talk to me

[rancid crow]

where are youn from?

[trim marten]

from Argentina

[hollow sequoia]

arriba españa

[trim marten]

hola

[iron lagoon]

Wish i could just skip 3 years so I can just play silk song FFS

[pallid flare]

if you could do that, would you really take the offer?

[iron lagoon]

I’d skip uni too 😂 it’s a win win

I just know I’ll be so addicted when it comes out 💀💀

[pallid flare]

sure?

[vestal wagon]

Imma be halfway through deltarune 5 by the time ss comes out lmao

[burnt topaz]

so if all goes according to plan, february 1st

[pallid flare]

amina wtf

[burnt topaz]

i dont know

[steady sage]

Im sure this has been asked a million times but is there any validity to the February release date claims or should I not get my hopes up

[vital ivy]

I'm not quite sure about the validity but I wouldn't bet on it myself

[burnt topaz]

no there isnt really, dont put any faith in it

[pallid flare]

it exists and nvidia said that a lot was speculative. that's it

[olive bobcat]

Do I post it

[tall hinge]

oh lord

[burnt topaz]

sure but you need fake credentials to really sell it

[opaque sigil]

At this point it can't hurt that much more and it should be clear enough that you're joking

[olive bobcat]

It's a trick question I'm going to do it anyways

[tribal merlin]

it's obvious it's fake, since there aren't any SS news there can't be an authority on it

[trim estuary]

[elfin swift]

silksongologist, with a bachelor's in silksongology, fully qualified and accredited to talk silksong on the internet

[nimble radish]

phd in silksongology

[rancid crow]

im bachelor

[marsh cypress]

Who exited for metroid tho

[warm bone]

omg leth retweeted some fan art, this must mean siksong is releasing tomorrow

[burnt topaz]

thts super pretty

[viral pivot]

yeah really well made

[trim estuary]

True

[agile herald]

Silksong delayed until 2024

[formal karma]

can't be delayed

[burnt topaz]

true cant be delayed if there's no release date

[agile herald]

Silksong is releasing in June 2020.

Trust me

[trim estuary]

Why not June 2019

[formal karma]

June 12th 2019 cause leaks

[analog lily]

June 19th 2019? Or course not, it's december 2018

[placid pawn]

silksong delayed years are paralleled with how many hours of game play it has

[surreal mortar]

You’re all very funny

[analog lily]

Comedy gold

[rapid topaz]

hello

[proud vale]

Next year. I’m feelin’ it

Also greetings SilkPals™

[nimble radish]

greetings outerwildspal

[uneven orchid]

Agreed

[rapid topaz]

I just become a Metroidpal

Dread is cool

[obsidian juniper]

Hi everyone

How are you all doing?

[rapid topaz]

great and you?

[opaque sigil]

When apparently Dread is out everywhere except where you are

[rapid topaz]

wait, really? :/

that sucks

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it's only 7:45 here

[rapid topaz]

oh okay

[opaque sigil]

No spoilers

[rapid topaz]

Yeah I don't own the game myself yet, just watched a tiny bit of gameplay on stream

it's 1:45 am here

[opaque sigil]

Sleep

[rapid topaz]

wanna buy it tomorrow

sure

Also it's been like more than 15 years since the last 2D Metroid so, that's surprisingly cool to see another one this year

[opaque sigil]

I suppose. I'm not really familiar with the franchise tbh

So that's kinda lost on me, admittedly

[rapid topaz]

I will just say, if you like Hollow Knight and Metroidvania there's high chances you'd like the franchise aswell

[brittle garnet]

so, when is this supposed indie showcase tomorrow?

[analog lily]

you mean PAX AUS, it's today

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, and supposedly Dread's good (plus I already bought the game so I'm pretty much committed as far as I'm concerned)

[rapid topaz]

Playing metroid games is just... so good. Very responsive inputs and fast gameplay

[brittle garnet]

well, whatever, i haven't slept yet

[analog lily]

it's for AEST time

[opaque sigil]

Y'all are in the future

[rapid topaz]

Well, enjoy the game then !

[brittle garnet]

yeah but when, at what hour

[analog lily]

IT started like an hour ago, join the PAX discord

[obsidian juniper]

Doing good,just ended maths Homework

[rapid topaz]

I agree it might be a lot of money to spend on a game, so idk I might wait for a sale because I can't spend that much

[analog lily]

well it started today, though the game announcments are later

Also PAX AUS is on AEST time, so it's 8 October already

[brittle garnet]

i'm asking when the indie game showcases and announcements start

[analog lily]

soon, or you could just look at the website

yes

[brittle garnet]

well, there's no indie showcase today

only one for tabletop games

[analog lily]

glad you checked

[trim estuary]

Actually

I’m going to showcase this indie game called “Shovel Knight”

Ok showcase over

[rapid topaz]

another Hollow Knight rip-off where you dig some dirt to find diamonds

(I'm tired, don't mind me lol)

[trim estuary]

No this came out before hollow knight

[rapid topaz]

Yeah I know I have done all of the Shovel Knight campaigns already

I was joking

great game, btw

[charred zephyr]

king knight goat

[fleet temple]

so hollow knight copied shovel knight smh

[coarse leaf]

Hollow Knight: Silksong copied Hollow Knight

Blatant rip-off, really

[worldly dune]

Ikr

they even made the characther Hornet from Hollow Knight into the main characther

[tranquil igloo]

exactly

[tranquil igloo]

also Epic Pfp

[analog lily]

yeah, surprised TC hasn't copyrighted Hornet or any of there characters yet

[viral pivot]

i read this as eric for some reason and was so confused

[chilly nexus]

SS comes out before hollowknight, because if you were a time traveller coming back to the year 2015 from 2078 (the year after SS releases), you'd encounter the SS release before the HK release

[rigid isle]

what even

[wet moss]

i should not have looked in this chat

[opaque moat]

is ss out yet?

[wet moss]

does it look like the chats going 70mph

[vague heath]

yes

[tranquil igloo]

no if it was the chat would be traveling 120mph

[vague heath]

Realistically chat would be going above and beyond 120 mph if SS release date was announced / released

[opaque moat]

well

back into the cave from which I came

remind me when ss comes out

[vague heath]

alright, see you in a couple million seconds or so

[opaque moat]

make that years

[vague heath]

millions of seconds is months

so I guess millions and millions of seconds could be years

there are 31 million seconds in a year

31,536,000 to be exact

[chilly nexus]

SS comes out in 2077 so ye around a billion years

[opaque moat]

that would be 56 years

[stone oxide]

yes

[tranquil igloo]

i'd be old by the time it comes out bro

[chilly nexus]

a billion seconds oops*

[vague heath]

a billion seconds is 31 years

[chilly nexus]

ye approximately

77-21 is in the same OoM as 31 👍

[gray lance]

Wow guys and gals we're almost at the homestretch. Can't believe Silksong launches tomorrow

[iron spear]

31 million seconds in a year. So if you earn more than that you make over $1 a second on AVG. That's insane to think... How many companies make like 50 times that.

Imagine being like oh yeah I make $4 a second lmao

[hollow sedge]

i make $3,715 every second

its pretty easy to do it ngl

[silver oak]

I think a billion seconds is coincidentally 31 years

Wait someone said that already

[hollow sedge]

then wouldn't a trillion seconds be 311 years

[silver oak]

Somewhere in the 31_ range

[iron spear]

Wait if that's all true then wouldn't one second be one second??????

[proud vale]

preposterous

[lone kettle]

silksong release date rn

[lone kettle]

31709*

[hollow sedge]

close enough

[warm bone]

518008

[lone kettle]

A trillion is a thousand billions

[high hedge]

You have to be an actual Cyberpunk to play Silksong

[gilded adder]

Is Metroid Dread out yet?

[chilly nexus]

i literally did not even consciously do that

Graig what's your birth date time and city, i wanna give you a free chart reading

oh wait actually, I have a proposition: for the admin, graig and TC. Let me do a chart reading for prospective silksong release dates, I'll let y'all know which are most profitable or generally favorable

If you can, wait until after Oct 18th (shouldn't be an issue). Even better: wait for after Jan 29th 2022

[onyx harness]

Some people got it early

But I don't think so

[gilded adder]

Yea, I was wondering because I saw someone on Twitter already beat it and got confused because I thought it came out tomorrow in my timezone.

[onyx harness]

Yeah, i'm not sure if it is the special edition or just the normal one that was sent early

Also, how is it going in Outer Wilds?

[warm bone]

depends where you live I think

[agile kelp]

is metroid dread releasing on ps4 next year?

[cerulean sable]

doubt itll even come out on anything but the Switch

[warm bone]

its 100% not

nintendo does not know other consoles exist

[onyx harness]

no

[gilded adder]

It's going really well. I haven't been playing too much frequently because I've been reading a book and playing another game on the side but I'm loving it a lot so far. ||Last I left off, I explored Brittle Hollow some more, found the Quantum Shard/Tower of Quantum Knowledge and solved the White Hole station puzzle and learned more about that.||

[onyx harness]

Pog

[fiery coral]

[obsidian juniper]

Hi unique
How are you doing?

[fiery coral]

Hello igna I'm doing good

How are you

[obsidian juniper]

Doing good, getting back to school in like 5 days

Im preparing to be ready for it

[fleet temple]

silksong reminds me of something, anyone else get hollow knight vibes from it?

[analog lily]

yeah, almost like SS is a clone of HK

[fleet temple]

yeah, pretty shameless smh

[errant pulsar]

has anything happened yet

or are we eternally doomed to stay waiting for news

[analog lily]

check announcements before asking here

[tiny pine]

shameless, sure haha

[errant pulsar]

oh alr then

[onyx harness]

no

[wise axle]

Sad

[cerulean sable]

TC add a karma mechanic where the bosses you fight changes each playthrough depending on your actions, just like how Ace Combat Zero changed the squadrons you fight on specific missions based if you play as mr nice guy or "I <3 warcrimes"

/s

[brave stone]

But Hornet has to find the computer room first

[analog lily]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-gif-21447981

Time to ruin the peace of dead chat

[charred pulsar]

[tawdry valley]

Give me the new Vegas option where every NPC remotely applicable in terms of story can be dated, befrendied, murdered or vilified depending on who we date, befriend, murder, or get vilified by

I ask this, of course, so I can kill everyone including crucial story NPCs without remorse in the event they have mildly annoying dialogue

[fiery coral]

[cerulean sable]

YEAHH WHO WON THE BONEBOTTOM LOTTERY? I DID
SMELL THAT AIR, CANT YOU DRINK IT LIKE MOSSWINE

[tawdry valley]

*pickpockets pimpillo into your inventory

*the lottery ticket is worthless anyways

*neglect to reload save anyways

[cerulean sable]

i lowkey wish you can apply tools to do various things (that arent explicitly required for progression, but rather makes it easier) where it can interact with the world

and i dont just mean using them for skips

[tawdry valley]

Like pimpillos for excavation and the like

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[woven rampart]

did anything happen lately or nah (as allways probably)

[tawdry valley]

I feel like that's what they wanted to do with spells, but they gave up on that by the time they hit Ashriek

[cerulean sable]

restrained pot of hot boiling metal at the ceiling conveniently on top of a bunch of suckers below? throw a pin and drop it on them

yeee

[tawdry valley]

Basically, tools used as tools

[cerulean sable]

yeeeeeeyeeeeee

ie a poison tool, you can slip in a vent or something and the next room everyone would be dead

[coarse leaf]

Thinking ab writing a fan fic ab hollow knight but having Dc universe along with it

[cerulean sable]

just a single example of you using it not with its intended purpose basically

[tawdry valley]

Vent?

[cerulean sable]

do not i swear

[tawdry valley]

Or what

You'll kill me?

[cerulean sable]

ill draw you as the soyjack in my next meme, and me as the chad

[coarse leaf]

I JUST wANT SOME FRESH AIr Is THaT ToO Much to ASK? lol

[tawdry valley]

Explains why you clean the vents regularly then

[coarse leaf]

vents, used for ventilation let fresh air into enclosed spaces where you can't open the windows,
also vents are very useful since they don't transfer dust to your office unless you don't clean them regularly.

[coarse leaf]

but there is another reason, but this place is ancient treasure, so we shall not talk about it.

[digital mural]

Zote is actually hornet in disguise

[coarse leaf]

zornet

[digital mural]

Which is why there is 2 versions of hornet in the pantheon

1 is actually zote 1 is the real hornet

[heady jolt]

no stop get out of my head get out of my head

[digital mural]

And the actual hornet is harder

[coarse leaf]

.............................................................................................. I"M GONNA SAY IT!

[heady jolt]

I just catelined your message
FAQ
what does this mean?
the number of catelines(points) on your message has increased by one
the number of frogelines (points) on your message has decreased by one

[coarse leaf]

I had to remove it because I was physically going to die if I left that there for any longer

[heady jolt]

well i guess this is ss discussion normally when there isnt anyone overhyping smth that wont have ss news

[coarse leaf]

it comes and it goes yknow?

[heady jolt]

yup

[torpid plank]

Здесь есть русские

[normal hinge]

uh huh

[hybrid plume]

what

[pallid flare]

haha same!

[lean rampart]

silksong is not releasing

[fiery coral]

probably yeah, but the server language remains English

[coarse leaf]

I am Silksong, and I say I'm never getting released

[proud vale]

Yo Pax Aus is happening now?

Believers, get in

Just kidding, prolly nothing is gonna happen so I guess we wait for GOTY awards

[sweet lotus]

hello fellow Silksong anticipators

Silksong will take a little while more

[tall hinge]

heya chief

[somber badger]

update: silksong still has not released

[hollow smelt]

Aiyai sir

[twilit igloo]

[pallid flare]

damn

[finite wigeon]

has anything happened since the leak

[burnt topaz]

Not that I know of

[lone kettle]

silksong release date rn

[proud vale]

Pax was never an option, merely a sight to see on our tram ride, soldiers

[fiery coral]

[formal kelp]

Is pax rn

[clever bear]

10th

[opaque sigil]

8th-10th

So yes, it is happening now

[fleet temple]

idk why people think ss will be here, I mean why announce a game that came out 5 years ago?

[worthy lichen]

they're announcing silksong 2

[clever bear]

oh!

[fleet temple]

damn, I was hoping for zotebote 3

[glass violet]

zotebote 3 comes out in 2011

[fleet temple]

oh sorry, I mean zoteboat 3

[glass violet]

they actually used the source code from zoteboat 3 in the lunar lander

[worldly dune]

shawte

[pallid flare]

hello silksongers, how are you all doing?

[cosmic widget]

Pretty good

[burnt topaz]

We are certainly doing, that's for sure

[pallid flare]

g- great?

[lean flame]

When’s pax aus happen again? Starting tomorrow right?

[opaque sigil]

Google

[haughty brook]

Still, don't expect SS to be there

[trim estuary]

What if you don’t currently have access to google

[trim estuary]

Chat tends to disagree

[opaque sigil]

In what scenario would you have discord and not google, or any other search engine

[trim estuary]

My scenario

[burnt topaz]

No one answered the question anyways

[lean flame]

I’m expecting nothing but I have the smallest twinge of help, purely based on Aussie pride

Also google deez

[trim estuary]

Why

Why would I google that

[lean flame]

Deez nuts

[haughty brook]

I prefer to temper my expectations

[burnt topaz]

For what, pax or this channels comedy

[pallid flare]

both and everything else

[trim estuary]

[coarse leaf]

Do not expect

Do not hope
Do not think
Do not feel

[pallid flare]

you are #sk-discussion

[agile kelp]

whats pax again?

[pallid flare]

event

[agile kelp]

let me just google this

[trim estuary]

Do not…

[agile kelp]

ooh its an event in Australia, you think ss is gonna be there?

[nimble radish]

we don't think silksong is going to be anywhere, and simultaneously believe it will be everywhere

[cunning geode]

its in the air around us

[pallid flare]

breathe in enough and you'll get it

aka, go outside, nerd

[cunning geode]

cant
asthma

[high hedge]

Silksong is a lot like the force

[viral pivot]

May silksong be with you

[dim shadow]

Of all the places PAX is more likely to have silksong news but still not likely

[trim estuary]

it is

Among us

[cunning geode]

you are
banned

[nimble radish]

[trim estuary]

[tired lake]

amogus

[pallid flare]

[fast swan]

say pegasus but replace the p with m

[trim estuary]

megasus

[fast swan]

HAH GOT EM

[agile kelp]

using this logic i deduct that silksong is fortnite imposters
im not joking that exists

[trim estuary]

yes

I’ve played it several times
in fact I was playing it yesterday

[fast swan]

i see , ive been so blind as to not notice the truth in front fo my eyes

i have been enlightened

[agile kelp]

this means ss is out

[normal hinge]

I think anyone that hasn't been hibernating for the past two months already knows

[agile kelp]

guess we should be expecting among us with hk and hornet sus theories from matpat thatll come eventually then

[worldly dune]

Hornet is the imposter

[trim estuary]

[agile kelp]

yeah but some may have not believed it and i can see why

[normal hinge]

why would they believe it from you then

[agile kelp]

just telling them about it, and telling them to google it if they dont believe it

[trim estuary]

[agile kelp]

also will we be seeing other kingdoms by any chance in ss?

[trim estuary]

Probably not

[high hedge]

Hornet hanging out with vessels is a sus imposter moment

[normal hinge]

what do you think

[agile herald]

Mental illness

[agile kelp]

maybe, maybe not. it depends if getting to the citadel is the end of the game or not

but i havent read every article from tc so i dont know

[high hedge]

Hornetgus 📮

[mortal grove]

give me a reason to not send you to the shadow realm right now

[normal hinge]

1. you can't

[nimble radish]

don't underestimate them

[normal hinge]

I am not

[mortal grove]

but they dont know that

[high hedge]

Well now I do.

[normal hinge]

😨

[mortal grove]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE AAJJJFW

[trim estuary]

[tough pagoda]

a

[agile herald]

Kingdom’s edge hollow kni

[fiery coral]

that looks gorgeous

inb4 it's Elden Ring's Frigid Outskirts

[lone kettle]

silksong release date rn

[agile herald]

Frigid outskirts’ long awaited sequel

[coarse leaf]

None of you are free from siklsogn

[fiery coral]

[hearty tendon]

When were getting a crowsworn discussion

[trim estuary]

A few months ago

It’s called the crowsworn discord server

[tawdry valley]

Yeah they already have a lore channel

Finally a place confirmed to be more suffocation-driven deranged than #sk-discussion

[hearty tendon]

Since crowsworn is heavily inspired by hk it isn't a stretch to discuss em here

Finally "topic"

So wanna discuss about crowsworn tools

[trim estuary]

This is #off-topic 2 (now with slowmode!) wdym

[hearty tendon]

(with extra void)

[coarse leaf]

Godseeker is back, being Silksong is being pain

[random fox]

When is pax

[coarse leaf]

Never

[random fox]

Aww man

[coarse leaf]

[pallid flare]

guys we're almost at 150k members

[coarse leaf]

And still no release date

[shy kiln]

Bruh

[pallid flare]

mods release the release date now pls

[shy kiln]

Only Taco knows it

[nimble steppe]

When be the 1k days since silksong reveal trailer

[pallid flare]

when did the trailer drop again?

[shy kiln]

Check youtube

[pallid flare]

33 days

[normal hinge]

33 days ago?

[pallid flare]

in 33 days

[normal hinge]

I could've sworn it was longer than that

[nimble steppe]

Cool beans

I know it's just a number but it's a significant one

HKs development was about 4 and a half years right?

[pallid flare]

well when was that?

[worthy lichen]

I dont think it was that long right?

[still owl]

1000 days when

[burnt topaz]

33 days more

[still owl]

we're totally gonna pass 1000

[nimble steppe]

Kickstarter was 2014 right

Release in 2017

With extra stuff coming through the year

Ok so about 3.5

[worthy lichen]

I dont really count the dlc usually, for any games

especially since it's not always constant active development

[still owl]

well it's harder than that. SS seems to be in a huge part, made from the scraps of content that didn't go into HK
even then, HK had a year of development in an entirely different engine.
and the DLC was planned to come with HK, but ran out budget, which SS was being made while Godmaster was being made.

[nimble steppe]

True true

Facinating, there was definitely overlap. I wonder how long they worked on the hornet portion of dlc before they decided to up it to a proper game

Couldn't have been too too far in

[still owl]

TC did say it took them a full year or so to realize how Hornet's height effected the map, so

[nimble steppe]

I'm curious

That would have been through most of 2018

We can't be too far off

[still owl]

here's hoping, but just remember SS is probably going to have a lot more polish, and since it's bigger it's even harder to put a good estimate when using HK as a reference.

[nimble steppe]

If we count overlapping development as progress, even as it moved to a proper game of its own. That's approching that 4 year dev time isn't it?

[still owl]

possibly, we don't know how far TC progressed until they decided they wanted to just make a new game entirely. It could be after a year, but I wouldn't use the fact TC saw "hornets size" and changed the map accordingly as good evidence

[nimble steppe]

Very true

But even still the three year anniversary of the reveal trailer isn't too far off

[shy kiln]

SikSog

[craggy fjord]

bonebottom reminds of something and i can't tell what

the beginning part

[nimble steppe]

Can't wait to hear the music

[craggy fjord]

the first few notes of bonebottom are like... 1:1 of another song

i just cant find it

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

goddamnit

im going insane

[pallid flare]

haha same

[craggy fjord]

i think its from undertale?

[tall hinge]

yeah it sounds very undertale-esque

[pallid flare]

omg pizza

[tall hinge]

omg pyro

[craggy fjord]

i guess it sounds kind of similar here but not really

ugh

[tall hinge]

i think that sounds extremely similar

[craggy fjord]

its just the first 4 notes though

i remember hearing something that's the same for the first like 15 notes atleast

[languid linden]

Hey guys, if there were 4 Horsemen of SS-disc, who would they be

[placid pawn]

what if toby fox did hollow knight soundtrack

That would be interesting

[normal hinge]

bubsy 3d

[bleak scarab]

what about tools >:(

[pallid flare]

wow haha

i almost pinged mods wtf

now my message doesn't mean anything meaningful

[glossy gazelle]

Yep seems legit

[plucky stump]

[obsidian juniper]

I think theres a Lot less random conversations thought,idk why

[surreal mortar]

Is Metroid dread good

[high marlin]

If there are fellow frenchies in here I'd like to ask if this is a habit of IG to put approximate dates on game or else

[pallid flare]

who's IG?

[languid linden]

I meant actual users

[high marlin]

(Event tho I never believe it would came out in 2021)

[pallid flare]

That's a key reseller platform, isn't it?

[high marlin]

Indeed

[pallid flare]

why would they have an accurate date?

[burnt topaz]

2021

[high marlin]

Yeah that's why I asked

[pallid flare]

yeah that can't be real can it?

[burnt topaz]

I highly doubt it, if so, thats really weird

[viral pivot]

yeah no its almost the end of the year, i doubt it

[opaque sigil]

Even if they had that info no way would they show it before announcement, that would be superlatively idiotic

[cunning geode]

what about Hanukkah

[rancid crow]

maybe in pax aus

oh

where i can watch it?

[opaque sigil]

Just google it

[agile herald]

Silksong will release in June 2020.

I guarantee

[umbral jungle]

Ok i trust in you

[haughty ingot]

similar to what

[craggy fjord]

bonebottom

[haughty ingot]

eh

i wouldn't say they're similar imo

[craggy fjord]

yeah

but i remember listening to something that's very similar and i can't find it

[haughty ingot]

also there's a note missing

[pastel silo]

Good old times...only if we knew

[craggy fjord]

the note isn't missing, it's just that the third and fourth are played in very quick succession

but that one isn't even the right one

[haughty ingot]

yea i suppose it just kinda sounds like a single note with how close they are

so maybe just the melody progression is similar

[robust sorrel]

In three years we're gonna be saying the same thing about a 2025 release

[craggy fjord]

if we are then screenshot this too

i think silksong will come out by 2022, and maximum 2023 if we're really unlucky, but most probably 2022

[pallid flare]

i mean

[haughty ingot]

"guys i think late 2019 is really possible though"

oh the times.

[opaque sigil]

I mean 2019 was never really a possibility, not nearly enough time to make the game even if it wasn't at a greater scale than HK

[robust sorrel]

For future use

[craggy fjord]

im gonna be right (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[opaque sigil]

2019 would've been <2 years of exclusive development

Hell it wouldn't even have been 1.5

[robust sorrel]

But now it's almost 4

[opaque sigil]

Closer to 3

[wide mango]

[opaque sigil]

Three years and two months

[robust sorrel]

If 2019 was 1.5 then plus 2 would be 3.5 so almost 4

Oh well exclusive development I didn't think of

[opaque sigil]

Dec 2019 would've been than 1.5. A year and 4 months

[pastel silo]

we don't know the exact development time ...the hornet goal was reached at the end of 2014 and they said the first pieces came together even before the release of hk ...hard to say how much they have done by the launch of HK

[opaque sigil]

Exclusive development

ie after they were done working on the HK content updates

[sage wing]

2020?

[opaque sigil]

Actually it would be even less time since I didn't account for godmaster patching

Anyways my point is that if there was ever really a case for 2019, it was hella weak even at the time

[robust sorrel]

But there could have been one for this year

But I do think next year is high likelihood

[rapid topaz]

Hi everyone

[pallid flare]

hello

[sage wing]

whats everyones estimations of the silksong map size compared to hk

[opaque sigil]

Probably significantly larger

[rapid topaz]

At least, 1.5 times bigger than hallownest

But actually I have no ideas

[sage wing]

i reckon the late game secret areas will have even later game secret areas within them

[opaque sigil]

We know there's a good amount more to put in the world and it needs to be bigger because Hornet herself is, these things together suggest a substantial increase in world size

[rapid topaz]

Also, we don't know yet if some sort of alternative realm exist in Silksong (such as Dream realm)

This can increase the time needed to fully explore the map

[pastel silo]

I hope not , I feel like it wouldn't really fit hornet to travel through alternative realms

[rapid topaz]

I agree, just saying that this is a possibility

[sage wing]

really? shes seems to be able to just pop in out and her mum was a dreamer

[pastel silo]

Yea but they said that pharloom is much more physical with less magicy ghostly stuff going around so idk to what extent it will apply

[sage wing]

whats pharloom?

[rapid topaz]

I think they're keeping little surprises for the released version, I wouldn't be bothered to see some strange stuff like dream realm but you're right.

[viral pivot]

the kingdom shes taken to in silksong

[sage wing]

oh i see, i kinda love the cryptic spooky vibe of hk i hope they dont change that

[normal hinge]

this shatters my heart

[pastel silo]

But I think they said that quests will allow us to reexplore areas in a fresh way so that will surely add up a lot of time even in old areas, moreover we may even see them change the same way forgotten crossroads did

[rapid topaz]

Yeah that's something I'm really curious of, I want to know how the areas changes as the "time passes"

[normal hinge]

her mom's a dreamer because of the pk's power

[opaque sigil]

I mean... the haunting could be related to dreams but we don't really have a solid indication of that. The weavers weren't particularly dream savvy in HK, either, at least not that we saw

Hopefully not like Forgotten Crossroads

Infected Crossroads wasn't more interesting, it was just more annoying

[rapid topaz]

More like exploding crossroads at this point

[normal hinge]

they probably simply meant how the area changes over time

[opaque sigil]

“And then there are also these tasks that characters – or Hornet herself – will lay out for the player.” “They vary across the world,” Gibson says, “and some of them are related to helping the residents in seeing changes and evolution to the spaces that you inhabit.” Pellen adds: “There’s more of that stuff happening this time – it’s quite a complex world.”
And wrt this quote TC is talking about quests specifically

[sage wing]

hmmm interesting, kinda like adding an aspect of rpg to the game?

[opaque sigil]

Although general progression-related changes are also possible

[pastel silo]

yea that's what I meant...it doesn't have to necessarily be like forgotten crossroads but still a more dynamic world sounds very exciting

[opaque sigil]

I'm 100% in camp bonebottom construction btw

[sage wing]

what is that

[pastel silo]

so like the villiage in ori wotw

[rapid topaz]

Bonebottom is an area in Silksong

[opaque sigil]

I want a chain of quests that involves building bonebottom into a flourishing town and I think it's a totally viable possibility considering the status of bonebottom and that quote

[sage wing]

i jsut wanna see some dark spooky stuff

[opaque sigil]

Pharloom has some spooky spots

[sage wing]

is the game gonna be lore focused or not

[rapid topaz]

I personnaly don't mind of spooky stuff, but I don't want it to be just "you barely see things around you"

[opaque sigil]

Probably in the same capacity as HK

[opaque sigil]

That's not spooky that's just lazy

[sage wing]

okay great i loved how HK cryptically but intriguingly explained the lore

[rapid topaz]

Well Deepnest wasn't spooky for me, I think spiders were not that scary

I was probably more scared of the sound design

[hollow sedge]

watch the same thing happen with a 2023 release

[sage wing]

please no 😭

im lucky i only discovered this game a few months ago, i havent had to wait as long as you guys do

[opaque sigil]

It's nice to know that HK's still getting new fans (ik it goes without saying, but still)

[tranquil igloo]

i'm hella confused how hk ytbers know the layout of deepnest without the lantern

[sage wing]

it blew up on youtube and twitch recently thats how i found out about it

[viral pivot]

lots of practice

[opaque sigil]

The longevity of the game, especially for an indie, is pretty impressive

[sage wing]

is TC still just 3 guys?

[tranquil igloo]

No?

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, but they also have playtesters, vas, a music guy

[tranquil igloo]

theres other ppl in the credits to

[sage wing]

which one does the art

[opaque sigil]

TC itself is 3, but more than just the devs are involved in making the game

[sage wing]

ari is a god fr

[hollow walrus]

and christopher larkin

that music

[elfin swift]

you see the 8bit music theory vids on hollow knight's score arrangement and musical storytelling?

[opaque sigil]

He did the sound design too

[hollow walrus]

so while there are only 3 in the core team they have other people helping the project

[sage wing]

hornet is my fav boss music, close 2nd is mantis lords

[hollow walrus]

i love white defender music

[opaque sigil]

Nightmare King

[hollow walrus]

and NKG yass

[tribal schooner]

It would have been funny if TC had waited till today to shadow drop SS just to mess with Metroid release

[elfin swift]

hornet's music is so wonderful. the little bit of the pale king theme weaving in and out, the way the score is like, stabbing at the notes

[sage wing]

yeah fr

[hushed wasp]

TC should release solksing one day before dread

"We do a minor amount of tomfoolery"

[pastel silo]

would be fun if there was a betting event on this server that would allow people to bet on a specific date that they think the game will come out on and win some rewards

[hushed wasp]

Daughter of hallownest and Hornet are my one of my favorite pieces of music in the game

[sage wing]

aight time for me to hibernate wake me up when ss is released

[wooden salmon]

What’s happening in Silksong, how’s everyone doing today?

[waxen agate]

Metroid Dread any good ?

[opaque sigil]

It's ok. Disappointing, really

[night silo]

aight boys anyone here a gravedigger?

[gleaming coral]

gameis good, feels a bit rushed

I question the free aiming decision, controls are kind of wonky and samus is hard to control

[pallid flare]

wow you got silksong early?

[elfin swift]

they must have rushed dread to try and release it before silksong

[random fox]

Whens pax starting

[opaque sigil]

Dread doesn't seem rushed imo the devs just never intended to let the player actually choose their own path

Which is fine, just a bit disappointing

[random fox]

I though dread was good

Ye

[opaque sigil]

Dread is fine but nothing about it is really all that notably good

[random fox]

How long is it, i may watch a playtru or smth

[opaque sigil]

idk, haven't finished it yet

[random fox]

Ah

[sage wing]

OGs remember metroid prime hunters

[random fox]

I saw abit of it with the robots that try to find u and u have to get away from their vision, looked decent, even tho i dont rly like the 3d 2d style

[opaque sigil]

Yeah those get old pretty quick ngl

[stark estuary]

It's really short

[opaque sigil]

Yeah I get the feeling I'm close-ish to the end

[stark estuary]

After finishing I feel like it wasn't worth £50

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, shame nintendo doesn't have a refund policy like Steam

I would've stopped after like an hour

[random fox]

They will also keep the price at 50 for another 200 years

[stark estuary]

I mean, it's not a bad game game, my biggest problem by far is its length since it effectively costs like £10/hour when beating it and £5 an hour for 100% completion.

[opaque sigil]

It also just doesn't do anything particularly well. Mediocre combat, mediocre platforming, forgettable environment

[random fox]

5 per hour is pretty ruff

[burnt topaz]

i didnt know it was 50, the hell?

my expectations were too high for nintendo

[opaque sigil]

God I just realized that dread is the same price as botw

[stark estuary]

Without spoiling anything I also don't think that the story is particularly good either

[opaque sigil]

Thus far the plot is meh and the writing is equally meh

[burnt topaz]

just emulate it

[random fox]

To be fair all nintendo games are pretty much the same price, no matter if they are shit or good

[elfin swift]

time to just go back to fusion i guess

[random fox]

Its nothing new

[burnt topaz]

its not and yet i am always disappointed

[stark estuary]

Dread is about on par with your run-of-the-mill indie metroidvania on eshop but somehow has both one third of the length and six times the price

[random fox]

Well feelsbad for the metroid fans i guess

[opaque sigil]

I mean if you love metroid games you probably won't hate the dread gameplay

[stark estuary]

I am a Metroid fan but I always preferred the Prime series to the mainline games so this isn't as painful as it could have been

[elfin swift]

i mean i feel like metroid's best aspects (outside of maybe the unique kinda thing prime has going for it) have never really been the combat/gameplay as much as the atmosphere

[opaque sigil]

Dread atmosphere is nothing to write home about, it's just "generic alien world"

[stark estuary]

Atmosphere without solid gameplay in a metroidvania is meaningless

[elfin swift]

a metroid game with basically unmemorable environments and lackluster enemies without any interesting or compelling world/atmosphere, like, ehh

[random fox]

Yeah but robot

[trim estuary]

AAAA SPOULERS

[elfin swift]

how are the robots anyway? compared to like, the sa-x

[opaque sigil]

Uninterestinig

[elfin swift]

oooof

[stark estuary]

They get boring very quickly and are just plain annoying late game

[opaque sigil]

Basically every enemy is just an annoyance, really

[random fox]

Game doesnt sound too poggers might be a good idea to not insta buy for full price

[trim estuary]

Too late

[opaque sigil]

[random fox]

Ah

[stark estuary]

||there's one that spots you from across the room and can stun you, that one isn't really fun to fight at all.||

[opaque sigil]

idk how the hell dread got such positive reviews

[stark estuary]

cos new 2D metroid after 219021 years

[random fox]

Its a nintendo game so most ppl love it by default, also probably nostalgia?

[opaque sigil]

I thought maybe it'd be a deathloop situation where it's a good game but the reviews are a tad higher than merited, but no

[random fox]

Id give a game extra praise too if it was connected to an old game i love

[opaque sigil]

I wouldn't. A bad game in a good series is still a bad game

[random fox]

Tru

[stark estuary]

I mean Dread isn't really better or worse than most other 2D Metroids, it's all the same.

[elfin swift]

hm that's a bummer. name the game 'dread,' follow up an old gba game famous for its sense of dread and having a memorable antagonist who hunts you through the levels, have all the time in the world and a more powerful console to work

[random fox]

But like if it was a 5 id give it a 7 probably

[opaque sigil]

I wouldn't

[random fox]

Powerful console

[stark estuary]

Somehow, despite the fact that this game has been in development for 16 years, I got the impression that it was rushed.

[elfin swift]

compared to a game boy advanced or super nintendo lol

[opaque sigil]

It certainly doesn't feel like a decade and a half of work went into it

[elfin swift]

fusion did a pretty excellent job with the sa-x hunting you through the game, and made it a pretty memorable antagonist. but i guess writing was kinda on the wall after the samus returns remake that they didnt really have a strong vision for metroid

[random fox]

What was the other game that released like a month ago that was in development for 16 years

I forgot name

[stark estuary]

I think part of the problem is that we tend to have high expectations for long awaited releases and reviewers fail to acknowledge that such a game can be mediocre (other relevant examples include KH3 and FFXV)

[opaque sigil]

I actually enjoyed FFXV a fair amount, it was a reasonably good game

[random fox]

I wouldnt rly trust reviewers on any game honestly

[stark estuary]

Also Dread reveal came out of nowhere, and it had an insane amount of hype behind it

[opaque sigil]

ig if an indie game gets really high reviews it's a good sign bc reviewers can be biased about AAAs if they have a lot of hype

[stark estuary]

unless it's Sonic

[opaque sigil]

But yeah reviews aren't a reliable indicator

[random fox]

The last of us 2

Games are the only medium where i trust casual players more than actual professional reviewers

[opaque sigil]

Anyways, maybe I'll just replay ni no kuni or smth after I finish dread, that should remind me what it feels like to play a good game

[stark estuary]

Ni no Kuni

[elfin swift]

lol i dont trust casual gamers at all their tastes are profoundly untrustworthy and unreliable

[random fox]

Still better than game journalists

[opaque sigil]

Ni No Kuni 1 is a great game, as is Revenant Kingdom, but it's a very different experience

[stark estuary]

I still need to get the switch versions

[opaque sigil]

idk if there is one for 2 yet

Although I think there will be

[stark estuary]

there is already I think

[opaque sigil]

huh. Should've spent $60 on that then

[spark pine]

I wonder if Silksong will have a premium physical release like Hollow Knight did

[opaque sigil]

I expect so, especially since SS is more highly anticipated than HK was and may well be more popular

[hushed wasp]

Dread looks okay

looks like they did CTRL C + V and then re-textured it

[gleaming coral]

it's good

[rapid topaz]

I'm a bit salty of the price of Dread tbh, but well, it's the "normal" price I guess

[gleaming coral]

It's definitely overpriced and a bit rushed, but it's still solid and better than most other metroidvanias out there

nice pallette cleanser for ss

[opaque sigil]

It's definitely not better than most other metroidvanias

Production value is fine but otherwise it's deficient in basically every way

[rapid topaz]

it's technically not a metroidvania, it's literally Metroid, the castlevania aspect is absent

[wide mango]

How much is it for you

[gleaming coral]

it's not better than HK or Bloodstained, but still better than games like Axiom Verge and Blasph

[rapid topaz]

Idk 30-40$ would have been fine for me.

[gleaming coral]

or Momodori

[opaque sigil]

$30 is still a bit high for the length and quality of dread. It maybe is worth like $20

[rapid topaz]

yeah but considering Nintendo, I think 20$ is unrealistic

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah but it's what the game should've been

[rapid topaz]

Metroid's Dead

(joking tho, the game is fine, I just expected better)

[opaque sigil]

Exactly. It's fine. Ideally you wouldn't pay 60 dollars for a "fine" <10hr game

[gleaming coral]

I still have high hopes for Mp4

hopefully we see news on that soon

[rapid topaz]

I haven't done any Prime so I can't say anything about that

I'm a bit sad that the Metroid that was intended to revive the license, is just "fine". It's a legendary license and old 2D Metroid games were so enjoyable. 15+ years for that is just sad

Although it's a personnal opinion

maybe expectations have been way too much high lmao

[opaque sigil]

Even if I had gone into it with more neutral expectations it really just wouldn't be impressive

[celest dirge]

Super Metroid is in my top 5 games of all time and so far I think Dread is excellent. It's exactly what I was wanting out of a new 2D Metroid

[opaque sigil]

[high hedge]

What’s your opinion on models vs modernized sprites?

[rapid topaz]

It certainly have big Super Metroid vibes, and Fusion / Zero Mission too

[opaque sigil]

Neither is inherently good or bad, it depends on execution

[celest dirge]

It feels exactly like Super but with less clunky Samus Returns mechanics. I absolutely adore the EMMI sections, I didn't think it would be this fun to traverse them

[rapid topaz]

I agree that the EMMI sections are cool, it adds some tension to areas

[celest dirge]

I feel like the people dissapointed with it are wanting it to be Hollow Knight, which it isn't. Its a new 2D Metroid and plays exactly like the originals

[gleaming coral]

I don't like the free aiming. Fusion's fixed angles were much better

[opaque sigil]

They're cool once or twice, after which point they can get tedious and monotonous

[high hedge]

I guess it’s more if an aesthetic thing

[rapid topaz]

Yeah that's what I was saying, it's not a Metroidvania. It doesn't have the "castlevania" so you can't expect it to be similar to hollow knight

[celest dirge]

Completely disagree. I feel each area they patrolled was designed well enough that they remained tense throughout

Hollow Knight also doesn't have many Castlevania elements

[rapid topaz]

Also true

[celest dirge]

Igavanias lime SotN are mainly unique for the RPG elements

[opaque sigil]

Plus dread literally making you fight the exact same bosses multiple times is kinda cringe

[rapid topaz]

But still, metroidvanias are intended to be games with Metroid/Castlevania as main inspirations. I don't think you could say that HK is a metroid-like either

[celest dirge]

I think metroidvania is a term that people use too often despite it not usually making much sense. Metroid-like is probably more appropriate in most cases.

If you want to call the cores bosses sure, but I don't really see them as one

[opaque sigil]

Not talking about the cores but those are also dumb fights

[high hedge]

Oh is Dread out?

[ornate oasis]

just lost a fragile flower to a goddamn ambloom

[rapid topaz]

"A Robot Named Fight" is for me, a great example of a Metroid-like

[ornate oasis]

i am an idiot in shade form

[rapid topaz]

it plays like a Metroid, but with randomized elements

[celest dirge]

Well, Team Cherry as far as I know have only ever cited Zelda and Metroid as inspirations

[gleaming coral]

I can't get the emmy pary timing down at all

[opaque sigil]

And the bosses don't get meaningfully harder, they just do more damage, that's just bad design

[high hedge]

Secretly also A Bug’s Life

Ah so Dread came out and wasn’t great?

[celest dirge]

I am curious, have you been a long time Metroid fan or is this one of your first experiences with the series

[opaque sigil]

First experience

[celest dirge]

Ok that makes a lot more sense

[high hedge]

What would you give it out of 10

[gleaming coral]

That's most bosses in most games, not all games have to be hollow knight

[opaque sigil]

Solid 5. Maybe a 7 if it was cheaper

[celest dirge]

I feel like you just aren't a fan of how the series plays. You're not going to get the same experience as HK out of it. I would give Dread a 9/10

[high hedge]

Triple A price?

[rapid topaz]

60$ yep

[high hedge]

It definitely feels more like a switch lite game than a switch console game

[opaque sigil]

Not looking for the same experience of HK, just looking for a game that stands on its own merit, which dread doesn't. If all it really has going for it is the nostalgia factor, that doesn't make it a good game

[celest dirge]

The game literally just came out, what do you mean by nostalgia factor? The game has great reviews because Metroid fans that love how the series plays like the game lmao

[high hedge]

When I saw the trailer it seemed like it’d be really good on the 3DS

[mystic pewter]

might buy it just so nintendo keeps on making metroid

[opaque sigil]

It's a fine game, it just doesn't do a particularly good job at anything

[mystic pewter]

because its nice to see the series get a new game

[high hedge]

Substituting quality with feeding on the nostalgic feelings of people who played super metroid

That’s the nostalgia

[opaque sigil]

As somebody who isn't biased from prior experience with the series, on its own Dread just isn't anything all that special

[celest dirge]

That's kind of an absurd claim. Plenty of people that played Super Metroid disliked Zero Mission and Samus Returns

[high hedge]

I’m sure the team wasn’t given a ton of time for polish if the game came out middling

[gleaming coral]

it definitely seems rushed, like Nintendo told them to start development a year ago

[high hedge]

Isn’t Zero Mission really different? Or is that Other M

[celest dirge]

It has great reviews, it isn't middling lmao. I think Dread is the best "metroidvania" I've played since HK in 2017

[mystic pewter]

you don't get what he's saying. he's saying that metroid dread is banking its quality on the idea that people have already played-and enjoyed- super metroid

[opaque sigil]

I mean c'mon, every other progression ability is literally just being able to break a new color of box

[celest dirge]

That statement still doesn't make any sense?

[opaque sigil]

It's dry, uninspired, and arbitrary

[celest dirge]

That's just a blatant lie lmao

[opaque sigil]

Right there are also little plates over doors that you can break

[high hedge]

Like y’know Mighty No. 9? That’s an example of a new game banking on nostalgia from old fans

That kickstarter game by the creator of Mega Man

[rapid topaz]

I don't think it was rushed, really. I think they wanted to keep the recipe of "short but intense" as 2D Metroid games were (forgot to @ but response to Aristocles)

[celest dirge]

That can be a selling point, but it doesn't net you good reviews. Mighty No. 9 was a shitty game and people hated it

[opaque sigil]

Having the copyright does

[celest dirge]

Hollow Knights progression is limited to a dash, wall jump, double jump, crystal dash and shadow dash. Metroid's progression is EXTREMELY similar

[opaque sigil]

HK's progression is nonlinear

Dread forces you down a very specific path

[rapid topaz]

I agree with that. At least that's how It felt like

[gleaming coral]

that's every metroid

[opaque sigil]

Then that's a weakness of every metroid game

[gleaming coral]

no, it's just how they are.

[celest dirge]

This is baffling to read

[gleaming coral]

Being nonlinear is not inherently better

[high hedge]

It’s less of a weakness and more just an aspect of the game, some people like linear gameplay

[opaque sigil]

It's the ridiculously and obnoxiously arbitrary way that metroid does it that's a bit offputting

[celest dirge]

Hollow Knight doesn't have much progression aside from mandatory upgrades. Metroid has an absurd amount of progression, optional and otherwise. While some main upgrades are set in a linear progression, the game let's you explore virtually anywhere to obtain different things in a different order

[opaque sigil]

Ok have you played HK

[celest dirge]

Literally my favorite game of all time

[opaque sigil]

Then you would know that HK has very few mandatory upgrades and that most progression is determined by player's actions regarding where to explore

[high hedge]

It’s a bit more than a few mandatory*** upgrades.

[gleaming coral]

that's more true of HK than metroid. Metroid games have never been nonlinear

[celest dirge]

That's just not true whatsoever

[gleaming coral]

name an example? Maybe in fusion or metroid prime

[chrome dragon]

Greetings

[nimble radish]

claw and cdash are mandatory, so is vspirit I believe
what else?

[gleaming coral]

you are expected to get things in a certain order. You can't deviate from that order because the game walls you

[celest dirge]

I'm talking about his claim about Hollow Knight, not yours about Metroid

[nimble radish]

other than the dreamers of course

[opaque sigil]

And Dread's "optional progression" means basically useless missile tank upgrades and health upgrades, which aren't exactly interesting

[rapid topaz]

well

I think there's some things in HK that aren't interesting to be taken up neither

Mask Shards are basically health upgrades (hence the Soul upgrades => Missiles tank upgrades)

[opaque sigil]

There's nothing in HK as useless as the missile tanks, and those are like 90% of the optional upgrades in Dread

I mean glowing womb isn't useful but it's at least interesting

Soul upgrades make a meaningful difference, Dread floods you with so many missiles that you never need to carry that many

[gleaming coral]

the upgrades in HK are more varied and more impactful I will agree

I don't get excited about missile tanks, as opposed to new charms or mask shards or pale ore

[opaque sigil]

Only the health kits in Dread are really worth getting and those aren't very engaging as upgrades

[rapid topaz]

yeah I have to agree it's more impactful since a whole new heart in HK can make a big difference in fights

[opaque sigil]

And even then you don't need to go out of your way at all to get the health upgrades, they're just lying along the prescribed path

[rapid topaz]

Idk I love either games anyway

[opaque sigil]

It's only the two extra missile capacity tanks that ever require backtracking, and those just aren't worth the goddamn effort

[rapid topaz]

They both have their unique things

[opaque sigil]

It's like the devs put them there just to say "oh look you can backtrack and get stuff" even though that stuff is absolute garbage

[rapid topaz]

Dread seems to have kept the recipe of classic Metroid games, that kind of stuff isn't uncommon

[tight idol]

whats goin on

[opaque sigil]

Ok but just keeping a recipe doesn't make it a good game

[rapid topaz]

I wasn't saying that

but anyways I have to sleep, take care everyone

[opaque sigil]

Thus far the only defense for Dread has been "oh but other metroid games did it" but that doesn't excuse the mediocrity of the game. If it's an archaic recipe, update it

Modernize the series, don't just keep doing the same shit

[high hedge]

Yooka laylee

[rapid topaz]

Yeah I wasn't saying it's a good or bad thing Tammo

[opaque sigil]

ik, just stating my opinion

[rapid topaz]

I don't think it's a good idea to keep recipes, generally

totally agree with you on that

It's just, as it was in the past, that's a fact

[opaque sigil]

Look at FE15, it completely rewrote the formula and was basically one of the best in the series

nvm bad example

Relatively niche reference

Look at botw

[celest dirge]

Sorry, was busy for a bit

One thing that you seem to still not understand is that Hollow Knight is a different kind of game from the Metroid series. Metroid is about exploring a hostile alien environment in an extremely fast paced action platformer. Hollow Knight is a slow burn, its about exploring a world and taking it all in. Hollow Knight starts of SLOW like, too slow. In Metroid you are dropped right into the action, you are quick, its easy to maneuver, and you feel like a badass on a mission.

[opaque sigil]

I'm not comparing Dread to HK, idk how many times I have to say that

[celest dirge]

You quite literally are

[opaque sigil]

No, you are

[celest dirge]

You didn't even bother to read what I said before you started typing anyhow

[opaque sigil]

I have only done so in response to your comparisons

[opaque sigil]

I did

It doesn't take more than a second or two to read four lines of text

[celest dirge]

Dude you started typing the second I pressed enter

[still owl]

start over folks, you're both confused

don't get caught up on irrelevant details

[worldly dune]

So Metroid is a Lighter and HK is a candle?

[opaque sigil]

I'm just saying that on its own Dread doesn't hold up. Maybe it works as a sequel to the series but as an independent game it isn't that good

It's fine but it definitely isn't a 9/10

[celest dirge]

I completely disagree with that, you are allowed to have your own opinions but even on metacritic its basically sitting at a 90

[opaque sigil]

You're judging based on different standards

[rapid topaz]

Let's just hope they'll do better for the next game, at least

[opaque sigil]

Also idfc what metacritic says, reviewers are all over the place

[celest dirge]

The game does what it is trying to do well. That doesn't mean that it's only good as a sequel

[opaque sigil]

If what it's trying to do is mimic the mechanics of an older game without meaningfully iterating on them, it kinda does

[nimble radish]

does it matter if it does what it's trying to do, if what it's trying to do isn't that good

[celest dirge]

But what it's trying to do is what people wanted from it, and its fantastic. Like I said here. If someone wants a game to play like a fast paced, action adventure in a tight maze, it does it better than Hollow Knight could hope for

[celest dirge]

If you want to use that argument, then wait for the Dread user scores

The vast majority of people I have seen that played it loved it

[opaque sigil]

[tawdry valley]

I have said nothing about dread. I am referring to game critics being poor critics.

[celest dirge]

I don't agree with that. I think critics have a valuable input, even if it doesnt always agree with public opinion

[tawdry valley]

I think it's possible for you to both look at the game; specify what component is being criticized, and then arguing about where the game stands in that regard.

Games are not built around expectations, especially individual ones. They are built around systems.

[celest dirge]

Which is exactly what I said earlier

[opaque sigil]

[tawdry valley]

You noted that dread did what people wanted it to do, while a person complained about it not doing what they wanted it to do.

[celest dirge]

Really providing a lot to this LMAO

[rapid topaz]

Not trying to shit on Dread, the game have plenty of aspect to be improved, so if another game appears in the future, I can only hope for the best. I just want the new metroid to be modernized, in a good way. I think there's a potential for an original, yet interesting metroid game

[tawdry valley]

Both of you should take a step back, because you're pacing around two different circles.

[celest dirge]

Tammo has never played another Metroid game before. The game was built around being a metroid game, which is what the people who have been waiting 14 years for it wanted it to be

[opaque sigil]

I have been very clear that that is irrelevant to my point

[celest dirge]

You haven't been clear about anything other than smugly posting emotes

[rapid topaz]

Don't get me wrong I liked Dread, I just think a modernized version might be more appealing to me

[tawdry valley]

How civil of you.

[lean flame]

How much is dread?

[opaque sigil]

Ad hominem arguments are poor and all that

[nimble radish]

did someone say smugly posting emotes

[lean flame]

Was thinking of picking it up

[rapid topaz]

60$

[celest dirge]

I don't think you even know what that means?

[opaque sigil]

I do

[lean flame]

Damn das a lot of money

[tawdry valley]

Now; me attempting to circle back for you:
@celest dirge “Dread as a game is a good metroid game”
@opaque sigil “Dread as a game isn't that good of a game”

[nimble radish]

it's french for front door

[celest dirge]

That is not my claim whatsoever

You are putting words in my mouth. I said that Dread is built around being a Metroid game. It is also a good game

[tawdry valley]

Cool! Now this is where you elaborate in a civil manner

[celest dirge]

It is not only good as a Metroid game

You are the one being extremely passive aggressive

[opaque sigil]

DDX is being very civil

[tawdry valley]

I'm trying to contextualize both of your stasis points.

[nimble radish]

if you want I can be aggressive aggressive

[celest dirge]

I disagree

[tawdry valley]

I believe I have at best mirrored your own sarcasm. if you feel I have overstepped; I apologize in the hopes it means we discuss in a less heated environment.

[celest dirge]

When was I sarcastic?

[tawdry valley]

Drawl, sarcastic, passive aggressive, inconsiderate, sensitive, misunderstood/misheard, whatever

[celest dirge]

I haven't been any of those things, but you do you man

[tawdry valley]

At some point, this became an argument that revolved around other peoples perspectives; which sucks. I'm trying to move it elsewhere.

[tawdry valley]

Bro I'm not accusing you

[celest dirge]

You said you were mirroring my actions and then described them as thus

[tawdry valley]

I'm saying the argument, as a neutral entity, is not going well

[opaque sigil]

If I made my point clear enough that you got it, then I'm satisfied with just ending it

[tawdry valley]

I do not believe I have intended to offend;
I apologized.
You do not believe you intended to offend;
You are continuing to accuse me of accusing you as intentionally offensive.

[rapid topaz]

Let's talk about tools

[tawdry valley]

I Instead believe there been a misunderstanding, even right now

[vivid belfry]

what does that mean

[opaque sigil]

grover thank god

[still owl]

means get out your history books

[vivid belfry]

we doin pulleys? we doin levers?

[still owl]

a mixture of both, as SS already has them

we're talking about HK/SS worldbuilding tools

[celest dirge]

All I did was point out that you said you were mirroring my actions, and then described my actions as inconsiderate. I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, I'm just pointing out what you said

[vivid belfry]

worldbuilding is a crutch used by bad writers to bloat word count

[nimble radish]

all good media has no lore at all

[vivid belfry]

if your story doesn't happen in a vacuum, fuck you

[opaque sigil]

But lore

[tawdry valley]

Okay, so the misunderstanding is in place

[still owl]

cursed coming from you

[tawdry valley]

Moving back to dread:
@opaque sigil what is your issue with dread as a standalone videogame

[vivid belfry]

it's an inside joke among some of my friends

taken from a negative review of a Brandon Sanderson book

I've never read a Brandersonian but I like making fun of this commenter

[opaque sigil]

It just doesn't have much in the way of remarkably laudable features. It's fine, just not excellent

[tawdry valley]

I'd say “implying there are positive reviews on his books” but I don't know who that is; so

[still owl]

what about how well it uses those features? (avoid spoilers, gonna be playing it eventually myself)

[nimble radish]

a popular fantasy author
mind you I haven't read his fantasy books

[vivid belfry]

Brandon Sanderson is a man who writes books about sexy crabs

[opaque sigil]

Unremarkably
There are a few good fights but otherwise it's kinda monotonous

[tawdry valley]

How are there negative reviews on these books

[opaque sigil]

The EMMIs could do with a bit more variation in mechanics imo

[nimble radish]

because they contain worldbuilding

[celest dirge]

I believe that the game isn't attempting to reinvent the wheel and doesn't need to to be an excellent game. It wants to be a fast-paced and intense action platformer and does that extremely well and was designed with that goal in mind

[vivid belfry]

I want to upvote this but discord keeps crashing every time I try to use an emote

[opaque sigil]

I got you

[lean flame]

Things are getting heated in the Brandon Sanderson/Metroid dread discord channel

[tawdry valley]

Well; fair. But you said it yourself, it's not excellent.
Not excellent doesn't necessarily mean “bad” or “worse than it should have been”

[celest dirge]

When did I say it wasn't excellent?

[slender burrow]

From what I’ve played so far, the EMMIS do have a good amount of variation to them

[pastel silo]

Hey grove, remember when we discussed whether compass being a tool is bad or not and that it would only serve as an inconvenience for players as everyone would just sit on bench before boss fights and change it anyway .... I recently realized that in edge they said that you can change your crest builds in a matter of pressing one button even outside of benches...it seems that fixes the issue doesn't it?

[celest dirge]

I feel they did as well

[opaque sigil]

In how they move, but not in how you engage with them

[slender burrow]

Their movement is quite literslly hoe you engage them

[celest dirge]

If you engaged with them differently, they wouldn't be as terrifying

[slender burrow]

They aren’t meant to be a boss fight

[vivid belfry]

I don't remember that being said in edge

[tawdry valley]

“Well Its not attempting to reinvent the wheel” in response to a comment on the game being not excellent leads one to infer that you mean to say that it is not excellent

[still owl]

ight gotta stop reading chat, we're gonna get into spoiler territory in a sec I can feel it

[tawdry valley]

--and that's fine

[opaque sigil]

Me neither

Nah, I'm done talking Dread. I made my point

[vivid belfry]

regardless, if you're going to have the ability to have an offhand build that doesn't take up space that you use compass on, doesn't that accomplish the same thing as integrating compass into the map but with more steps

[slender burrow]

I won’t be saying specifics as I’m still playing the game myself

[celest dirge]

I don't see how that implies that whatsoever. He gave his opinion of the game and I gave mine, I wasn't trying to specifically address or refute what he said

[nimble radish]

can we talk about silksong now

[opaque sigil]

Hanles what quote were you thinking of?

[pastel silo]

i am about to find it

[nimble radish]

personally I think everything iselda sells should just be part of the map in ss

or y'know, the equivalent, not expecting warrior dreams

[opaque sigil]

I'd be cool with that so long as disabling the compass is an option, I'd prefer to be able to have it off

I do think that selling the quill separately was a bit silly

[tawdry valley]

@celest dirge I give up at this point.

[vivid belfry]

you can disable the compass by not opening the map menu

[nimble radish]

why would you reply ping and ping in the reply

[vivid belfry]

just found out the emote select window for typing messages ALSO crashes discord so I have to type them out like some kind of barbarian

[opaque sigil]

True but it's nice to have that intermediate of seeing the map but not the icon

[tawdry valley]

Are you stating your opinions in a void independent of others or attempting to converse/compare/debate

I do not know, and no longer wish to. Besides, I need to actually play the game

[celest dirge]

You were talking specifically about my statement about it "not trying to re-invent the wheel", not my entire conversation up until this point.

[tawdry valley]

That makes more sense but I'm still out

[vivid belfry]

I mean I don't think there's anything wrong with having disableable compass, I just think it wouldn't be super useful to most players

[nimble radish]

honestly I doubt tc will have the map show your location without some kind of pickup since they gave a lore reason in hk they will likely want to do so again

[opaque sigil]

Not useful, no, just preferable.

[vivid belfry]

maybe I'm alone in this but I never needed that middle step to memorize the map to the point that I didn't even bother buying the maps

[celest dirge]

Um... ok?

[slender burrow]

As someone who has played a total of one Metroid game to completion, being a prime game, I’m thoroughly enjoying my play through

[opaque sigil]

Plus filling in the map can be rewarding in and of itself

[vivid belfry]

I think that has more to do with how the quill works than how compass works

[slender burrow]

Never been the biggest Metroid fan, but I have a love for other metroidvania games

[opaque sigil]

So am I, that was never the point

[vivid belfry]

and that purposefully unhelpful part of mapping SHOULD stay in silksong imo

forcing you to navigate without the map on first pass is great for establishing landmark navigation

[slender burrow]

Oh I wasn’t specifically calling you out or anything, I joined the conversation late. Was just stating my opinion

[pastel silo]

but wait

[opaque sigil]

[vivid belfry]

this quote definitely doesn't imply what you're implying it implies

[opaque sigil]

Yeah idt it means you can swap on the fly, maybe at benches

[tawdry valley]

Implying?

[pastel silo]

Yea I see now it starts saying at benches

[cunning geode]

Hornet has loadouts

[rancid crow]

what is hoover

[lean flame]

Hey buddy don’t even try to imply what I’m implying to imply

[pastel silo]

yea but saying we can this time change it with pressing one button it seemed like we can have pre built loadouts and change them outside benches

[vivid belfry]

this is the way

[cunning geode]

vacuum

or a president

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, that seems to be the implication

[tribal merlin]

it's a vacuum cleaner 🐌

[nimble radish]

dam

[cunning geode]

Lori wins

[vivid belfry]

I just hope it doesn't end up like ritual of the night where you have loadouts dedicated to one equippable thing that's necessary to progress to 2 areas and you never use it again because it sucks

[lean flame]

I do wonder how much these “loadouts” will alter how hornet plays

[opaque sigil]

They'll at least alter red tools