#sk-discussion
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I'm hoping for an infinitely free Nitro and wk-rolling at #nitro-boosters


Viewtiful Joe for Smash (no, not really)
I think this character is too much forgotten 
wait are there new planets?
godseeker???
good morning unique 

Indeed, I seek the gods
cringer?????
thou cringer
i'm not cringe 
Good morning pitta 

||Just did! I found an artifact, wandered around a bit, dozed off at one of those blue fires with the skeletons surrounding it, and when I woke up, THE SKELETONS WERE ALL GONE||
@proud vale @warm bone ^ progress update
I assume this is where it ramps up... 
Yeah, that was the part where i was like, this is worth 10 quid
I closed the game immediately
Enough Outer Wilds for today 🥴
Tomorrow I'll go back to being scared out of my wits
I almost closed the game when i saw reduced frights in the options
like excuse me, the fuck does that mean 
me neither, from what ive read, doesnt do too much anyways
Question: will there be dialoge options in SS?
At the very least yes and no, probably not much beyond that imo
Hornet's Hornet, she isn't an avatar of the player
Imo, that’s probably the most logical choice
@fiery coral yep that’s where things ramp up my friend
Ay they need their private time
well I hope they're not too mad tomorrow when I first intrude

who am I kidding they'd be furious
👽
still interested to see what happened to ||eventually make them all stand around a fire and just...die, though||
massive Outer Wilds spoilers by the way, don't click if you haven't played
I found the ||slide reel which shows them all in an orderly queue, lining up to go inside these towers where I eventually found them dead; the third location where they did this is a place I've seen but not yet been to, so I'll try going there next||
Hello everyone
hi etimo
hi orange
hi pyro
hi pyro and orange
hi Alumorgue
hello aluo
Hello Mario
i am goign insan
oh man good to know this channel hasnt become any more coherent.
hi tank_facts
hi pyrooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Welcome to the underground
Fake
how was the fall
Fake
Aluo makes the best fakes
wouldnt have believed it was fake if you didnt say
welcome to aluo fakes
Immaculate fake 
how?
these fakes are making me depressed
There's not really any scares. Just unsettling things
Yeah but it's real unsettling
who here hasnt listened to lace
Do we know which ending silksong will be following up on?
It won't follow a specific ending
ig. It's unconventional, but it isn't a particularly ambitious choice
All they have to do is not say anything specific to an ending of HK and they're golden
Which is probably for the best anyways, since SS is supposed to be an independent narrative
That's true
But it's a shame we won't figure out what the fuck was going on at the end of p5
I mean we have a reasonable idea, but yeah. ig how THK reacts to its newfound freedom would've been interesting to see
Ikr, master of editing

steam demo fest is today. surely we'll have silksong news there
someone should make a character select silksong fake with the characters being Hornet, the Knight, and Zote
that someone could be you
||how spooky on a scale of 1-10 is the outer wilds dlc im like an hour in and nothings spook yet||
Hard to say
It isn't too bad imo, there're just some weird sounds and stuff (at least as far as I've gotten)
I've beaten the whole thing. Depends on your history with spooky stuff. Was a solid 6 for me
When was chat last nuked?
There was a smallish one in September for a direct iirc
And chat got really really stupid when fireb0rn put out the video 
Friends and foes
Allies and adversaries
Buddies and bandits
Companions and competitors
Partners and prosecutors
Aluo speaking in riddles now ig
Not mine
kfconsole is the best one don't @ me
Is silk song a sequel or prequel
sequel ofc
What ending does it go from then?
All
we don't know
Or perhaps more accurately any
But what about hornet being locked in how would it start?
the seal breaking bugs
Citadel goons bust open the egg somehow and take her
allow me to introduce the hastily-written Seal Breaking Bugs!
they steal her and bring to pharloom
they exist for one purpose, and one purpose only: to ensure no can complain they didn't follow up on that one promise they made in a Reddit AMA
...okay salt aside
They could have further significance beyond what we've seen 
yeah they probably play a bigger role than they may lead on
yeah seal breaking bugs are a thing, they were shown in the trailer, same ones could have been used to break her out
but they were probably introduced to make everything canon
good night unique
take care 
Guys I just realized Metroid dread is on a week 
less than
wait really
October 8th
6 days
Correct
October 5th is also a cool day
They're revealing Viewtiful Joe for smash
(not really tho)
My guess too
it's cool because it's my birthday
so, the world got me
you're welcome, world
I need to buy a switch for Metroid
Was gonna wait for BOTW2 but can't do that anymore

Hello, I am here
The release date is now
Ty silksong
You're very welcome
Rejoice in the grandeur of Team Cherry
Or something
Wait when is now
As you can see I'm slowly but surely, losing it
February 2022
will now commonly be referred as the shaw day
Now has already passed
No more Silksong until 2025
I was expecting that
BOTW 2 will release before silksong, noooo
If that’s the case i will die
I already died
rip shaw
Inside
if there’s no grubbies i will personally go in australia to destroy team cherry (all bindings)
May as well buy the tickets now
I want grubbies
My only friends
If there's no notification in #hk-announcements in the next 3 weeks I'm commiting sudoku
You'll have fleas in SS
so cool
Lil fuzzballs
nothing can replace the grubs
The grubs are SUPERIOR
Fleas are supposed to be more interactive or something, as far as I remember
The caravan looks more interesting than the grub room, at least
idt the fleas are in the trailer
Where are they then ?
This gif and iirc there's one in the demo footage
Not gonna happen sadly
Why not
Wouldn't make any in-universe sense for TK to be in Pharloom.
bc it's incompatible with the timeline
All five endings are canon and cannot realistically occur in the same timeline so yes, but there is no way TK could be in Pharloom in any of them so their number is not relevant.
looks way smoother than hk
The gif quality wasn't great
Yes, TC said that all of the endings were canon. Make of that what you will.
Ending 2 is arguably the worst, Ending 4 is probably the best, I'd say
Not that it matters, mind
3 is fine, 4 is better, at least for THK
Ending 2 is just Ending 1 with Hornet so yeah I'd also say it loses points for the lack of originality. 3 and 4 are my favourites.
5 is probably worse for the knight
the knight does not exist anymore in 5
its void entity
Probably not destroyed, just locked in Godhome or something.
That isn't necessarily true at all.
TK is the void entity
Anyway, Void Entity (better known as Void Given Focus) is literally just TK but in a more powerful form.
Void entity is a blanket term for both vgfs, idrk why it exists 
Attunement doesn't change the mind, only level of power, and Attunement is what caused TK to transform, so.
It isn't malevolent either, it probably just heads to chill in the Abyss or something.
I prefer LoS for VGForm and SL for VGFocus because LoS and SL are more easier to distinguish than VGF and VGF.
so tk is void entity ? Then is he the void that goes into hallownest in 4 ?
Lord of Shades is VGForm, VGFocus, and TK post-VH
or is that two different things
Yup.
Yes, technically, but SL is more commonly used to refer to LoS after it receives Godly Attunement
Ending 4 is TK becoming VGF, leaving Godhome, probably heading for the Abyss. Ending 5 is TK becoming VGF, attempting to leave Godhome and then the Flower does whatever it does and VGF probably gets locked in Godhome or something.
Godhome itself is intact in both endings.
Yeah, which isn't great since it leads to confusion, but too late now
shade lord and lord of shades arent the same thing ?
I'm pretty sure SL came from the name of the voice clip in the game's files
what even is this
Shade lord is a name for a specific form of the lord of shades
Nope, Lord of Shades is ending 3 and Shade Lord is ending 4/5.
LoS came from AC bug's dream nail dialogue
my last remaining braincells just died
Same being, different forms.
The canon term for it is Void Given Focus
This is a canon source, file names aren't
Cut 
will ss get mentioned in the category, "most anticpated game." does it have a chance?
Lord of Shades/Void Given Form = the Knight + Void Heart
Shade Lord/Void Given Focus = the Knight + Void Heart + Attunement, basically just SoL but more powerful
6th highest steam wishlist, so it's probably fair to consider it one of the most anticipated games
4 more months!!! (Hopefully)
Wow
Seriously? Damn.
I need to get more active in this channel.
damn, really?
Used to be higher, it was 3rd for a while or smth
And that's only on Steam, it's also coming out on Switch
I think it was once the number 1 most wishlisted game
did not expect it to be that high.
username checks out
Is wishlist a thing on Switch?
You are evil
yes, but only for games that have pages
It's up to 5th now
I don't think silksong has a page on the eshop yet
how do you even see the most wishlisted games
yeah it dosent have a page on eshop, im very sure.
Google top steam wishlist or smth similar
That’s why I said hopefully. I’m hopeful that’s the actual release date
feb 1?
ok but don't complain if it isn't
He is evil
But why 4 months, specifically?


Where’s crowsworn?
what

Something with a GeForce leak saying the earliest possible release date is February 1st, I think?
what the hell it exists
here you go bud https://www.boatloadpuzzles.com/playcrossword
Oh, right.
The GeForce leak is not to be trusted. IT’S ALL A LIE
Crowsworn isn't there bc it isn't one of the top wishlisted games
hi amina
still suprised on how much funding crowsworn got.
Oh, I thought you were showing your wishlisted games
hello pyro
think it was 1.3 mil
it was a lot of money
Yeah, good for mongoose rodeo.
not really, people saw a hollowknight inspired game that looked good so they gave them their bank accounts
yeah it makes sense why they got so much.
Now all they have to do is deliver, quite a tall task for 1.3 mil
we got like 2 full years left
will ss release phyical when digital comes? really want a phyical ss.
especially with all the extra stuff im sure itll be longer than 2 years
if they end up taking until 2023
maybe
Probably
how much revenue has team cherry gotten? i think close to 60 mil.
idk if it's that high, but they've probably made a decent amount
They'll make a physical copy but I expect it to only be bundled with the limited edition SilkSwitch.

yeah i havent thought of a custom switch model for ss, but at this point ss is rivaling nintendo's top games in sheer hype.
well according to the sales that google says they got around 47 mil
but its obviously not accounting sales and such
Assuming they got every penny from sales, and Steam/Nintendo/PS/Xbox didn't take some. Plus there's taxes and stuff
plus that was 2019.
my guess it maybe 5mil sales ALTEAST in 2021.
so its fairly difficult to estimate then unless we just ask, which is kinda rude
i mean 4 mil
I don't think a custom switch model for ss is realistic tbh. I mean, really, custom model for an indie game? That's unheard of.
Was anybody seriously regarding that as a possibility?
not that ive ever seen
in this chat? yes
seriously?
people also believed that silksong was already done in 2019
It's true
Well then they're wrong ig 
ss is definatly the indie game that has the most chance of getting a csutom model, but it is pretty unlikly.
did you have a stroke while typing that?
yes 😦
gws
Remember this is also Nintendo we're talking about
Point being, they are selectively oblivious to that sort of thing.
I can't imagine custom models being profitable except for major, major games, or ones that coincide with the release of the console. Otherwise you're banking on people being willing to toss away $300 or whatever on a novelty
Silksong Joycons & Pro Controller when
Like at least if the console is new there'll be people who want one but don't already have one
30th of February 2022 
Nah, it'll be profitable because this leak, see, said Hornet is gonna be in Smash
what
I only speak the truth
Hornet is the only character I would actually cry for if got into Smash, lol
Thank you for enlightening me brother
They didn't even put hecking shovel knight into smash as a playable character, so its astounding people genuinely think Hornet is going to make it in
I think this makes sense, but its still good news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sTvqqd2bCs
You've seen fireb0rn's video! Silksong's release date has been leaked through Nvidia GeForce Now's database. Is Silksong coming out on the 1st of February 2022? Or is this just a placeholder date? I'm almost certainly sure it's the latter. While we're all really excited for Silksong, i don't think we should get our expectations too high because ...
Problem singular?
What's the good news, exactly? Anyone would have been able to tell you that leak was fake.
a problem can be several things, if it's all just a problem
Yes but the title is "The Problem with The Silksong Leak" (interesting capitalization) not "The Silksong Leak is a Problem"
that is an exceedingly better way to put it, yes
Nah I think how it is is better
when do you guys believe ss will come out, a very rough estimate.
tomorrow morning, maybe the day after.
I don't think there's really a way to make an estimate
almost done the video, it's pretty meh
sometime next year
it does become unclearer with each "milestone" that passes
buuuuuut i said that LAST year, too
inb4 "Silksong coming out never"
i mean like super rough. for me, i think ss will release before fall 2022.
i hope
I mean the only thing I'd say is somewhere between two weeks out and three years
An estimate needs to be based on something, and adding "I hope" after means that it is not an estimate, but a wish.
maybe so
just keep saying that, simple
eventually, it should turn out to be true....right?
But your % uncertainty will increase with each time you say it and it turns out to be wrong
Have we heard when they started working on Silksong?
Kirb that's not how it works here, no matter how many times a line of logic is demonstrated as flawed it still holds 
And overlap with working on HK updates
and porting
let's just say it probably wasn't full work on it, far from it likely
with the content packs and stuff
Which is why I said I think it'll release the day after tomorrow at the latest


I pick February 14 2022, the third year anniversary of when they announced it, lol
more than likely they were spit balling and maybe practicing the whole 'needed to understand how hornet's size and movement affected things' thing
every Feb i sai 'next feb'
Maybe December 21st, the voices in my head said that something would happen that day
Aw man, it’s that guy!
When hollow knight released in 2017 iirc
24th
my senses are telling me it's November 35th
what year though
fantastic, right on time
2119
fairly optimistic
Marking the date on my calendar, don’t let me down
It's not about a complain
modmail is for more than just complaints
Can I tell you in dms?
I guess
everything alright?
apparently not
I hope that everythings ok, youve got me slightly concerned chaos
what happened
I think I know what they mean
Pyro knows what I mean
as long as its all good
interesting
no
3021

everyone

howdy
I would tip off my hat but I ate it 
did it taste good?
A little more than 2 months until it's been 2 years since the last blogpost...
It tastes very wonderful like a silkworm's boiled dreams 
well that sounds like a win to me
I guess you can say that
no silksong guys, chaos ate all the silkworms
only song

Time to eat song too 
oh no
Dammit chaos 
Don't just wait for silksong, eat it 
Is this a recurring problem with you
I think yes
that sounds unhealthy
they call him the mad hatter
I did go through a period of changing my name to random stuff I ate
Just mad rn, remember I ate the Hat 
god damnit
is that where hatter went
Hm
Shit I forgot to make a gender neutral term
Everything is fixed unless someone screenshooted it 
dw you're good
i will now cancel you
I'm actually streaming this disc on yt 24/7
On what platform?
discord and minesweeper online
Noooo, not minesweeper I can take the hit on discord but don't take minesweeper from me 
You don't deserve minesweeper 
Your getting minesweeped
cancelling chaos on steam
chaos moving to the bottom of my wishlist
I forgot the password 
Pre-cancelled, nice
Does cancelling mean I'm not getting silksong?
I have but I have forgotten the password to steam and where I've written the password is in another town I won't go until 4 or 5 days from now
So I'm steamless

Nice
im at a loss for words honestly
Can't you do a password reset?
see as an ex-admin I can tell you
- you never write down any password anywhere
- you make up a system of how to generate your password depending on the location you want to login - et voilà, never forget a password again
- you never write down any password anywhere
Won't find this in the stealth game goon handbook
how the fuck do you use modmail
create one system and you only ever need to remember that system and you can have 400 different passwords
thats something to ask modmail
no biggie
i tried to ask
dm @frosty pelican
no not through code, just make up some rules on how you generate your passwords
it's kinda like code but for your brain 
i would ask if you could give an example but i feel like that would defeat the point
I could
oh do so
let's say you like the letters "pdth"
You text =send (server id here but no parentheses) (message here but no parentheses)
to the modmail
for whatever reason (like initials of your parents, where you met your wife first or anything)
then let's say you want to make a pw for googlemail
You have a wife 
you decide on a rule of "start at 3rd letter and go 4 letters"
i did it
so you cut out "ogle"

I think i accidentally sent a message with just "a" in it
then make "pDogleTh"
ah i see, thats cool
you can map some letters to numbers, like eg "o" to "7"
now you have pD7gleTh"
add some extra signs at some locations
I see nice password you got there now I wonder on which of your logins I should put it 
and you have "p,D7gleT#h"
very cool
your amazon password would then be "p,Daz7nT#h"
setting that as my password, brb
time to make some better passwords then
that's far easier than remembering 400 passwords or having a long list of passwords somewhere
and more secure than having 3 passwords
Cheesoid always tells with what ideology to set your password and has successfully never needed to pay for netflix
yeah and if you want to increase security of it you can add rules as you like, like rotate mapping of numbers or special characters based on conditions
so your passwords would look more different
time to bring in the alt+various numbers
I honestly would forget the rules
nah
That's how bad my memory is
isn't it more about making your password longer so they're harder to bruteforce?
once you set like 4-5 pwds according to your system it'll stick
You could always go the xkcd route. 
you can make the passwords as long as you like
like instead of taking the letters "pdth" you can take the sentence "twentyelvesshowahandstandonthebeach"
map some letters to numbers/special chars and insert something generated from the location you want to log into
unbreakable passwords 
just don't use the letters "SilkSong" for reasons I'm not going into
I mean even a number password is unbreakable
And the internet's keys are long number passwords
Any password is technically breakable given enough time and a system that doesn't limit attempts
True
yeah but if you don't have something really valuable hackers will stop after like 1000 attempts and move to someone who set their password as password
Probably
damn
and just install their rootkit on that guy's computer
you'd be surprised at how many accounts you could unlock with just a dictionary word attack
If they even reach 1000 attempts I'd be impressed
well maybe you wouldn't be surprised 
As in just by entering words from a dictionary? You'd hope people'd at least stick a number on the end or smth 
ig that's not surprising
word doesnt even recognise my name, how would a hacker 
Probably just entering in random names
I mean we do live in a world where the pandemic is treated like it's nothing by a quite big for it's size part of our society
Don't remind me 
we live in a world where people genuinely believe the leak
We live in a world where people think silksong will shadow drop on every direct, gaming event and every second that is passing
we live in a society
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There's a mod like right here
no, I don't think I will
<@&283547423706447872>
Isn't this promoting?
wait what's the spammiest video I have?
cool
I have returned.

mods ban'm
<@&283547423706447872>
bro cant take a hint
of all the places in the server to post an advertising link...
did a little spamming
oh you troller
usually the idiots who advertise here don't realize mods can see deleted messages, makes it all the more funny when they get banned
They have been dealt with, carry on.
Ty
And that's why you don't put links to your server on a 150k person public server 

with whatever it is we usually do, so nothing
Anyways where were we... Oh right, the world sucks
We usually discuss Silksong or just games in general so let's go with that.
sorry i'm having a little bit of fun
so about them games
Hey games are serious business
Technically if you nuked the sun you would get in less trouble than nuking a city
the sun is already a nuke
I mean people don't live on the sun so ok
true but you wont live to tell the tale so whats the point
But if you nuked the sun enough the sun would go boom
the sun already goes boom
That's kinda its thing
@serene chasm Haiku, the Robot has a demo now thanks to the Steam Fest, just letting you know if you didn't already.
yeah, I just played it recently, its really good
It will at some point but the "will" is different from boom right away
Gonna play it soon. Glad to hear it's good.
guys I'm from the future silksong will have at least 1 red pixel in it
lone fungus also has a new demo, but I don't think it actually adds any new areas
Ha ha, very unoriginal
I know right I'm so comedy
you're such a funny person
ayye silk people
none of them, It's a bug that appears later in the scene but it's not in the trailer
oh, it isn't in the trailer
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V...
seal bug
Hah get wrecked
so true
Excuse you it's spelled "rekt"
Morning SilkPals ™️
Good morning
Good evening
It's always high noon somewhere
yes
Nice pfp Orange
Thanks Aluo! thought I'd go spooky
💀
that skeleton is the center of all things perfect
When the fire eclipses the pits of hell just right -
These souls scream
my thoughts exactly
Imma be at homecoming in 35 minutes
Whaaat it's that time of year?
Ye
by the time silksong comes out this board would already now the lore and grasp by time of realse
Nah they've been fairly radio silent on any comprehensive lore
Yeah, there's just enough that moderately informed speculation is possible, but that's it (which I imagine is what they were going for)
Yeah honestly I'm glad about that, so keen to be fed the story in bread crumbs
And then the loaf gets released at a local Costco, so tasty that people buy more to give to others and soon people start reviewing the loaves and trying to eat them without leaving any crumbs or even just leaving it there to be eaten "later"
someone mention silksong lore being pieced together?
(link to the doc is in my name)
banned for self-promotion 
somebody had an idea about the roots or something
reference to lore channels, 100% runs, etc
Do we actually know that SS is twice as big as HK or is that speculation?
extrapolation from an incomplete dataset (bench)
Hi everyone
Hello igna 

How are you doing?
Doing alright
how are you?
Doing allright
Just saw Jurassic park 2(i think¿) And saw Chris Pratt and thought that person Is mario

Jurassic world?
Probably,im not Cultured in Jurassic park lore
I wasnt actively watching it
I'm probably gonna be seeing Venom 2 tomorrow
I have low expectations
But I'm seeing it with my friends which is what's important
I have to start seeing More movies,im not used to seeing movies
Mathematical proof Silksong is bigger than HK:
Game take long time and the cherry people said game would be big (and also they’ve taken a long time despite also having assets to help make the game)
Hornet taller then tk, which meant they had to make all the areas bigger.
So sizeOfHK * 2
And then again by 2, because of her height.
Silk Knight will be 4 times the size of team cherry
Like i think i saw a couple of movies since the start of the year,and theres a bunch of movies i want to see ||i took a long .ss time writing this||
I thought you were Unique with a nick at first and then I realized you weren't a mod 
You forgot to factor in 2d space, so it's actually 16x as big

Quirrel chat
Myla chat
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DEAD CHAT
PK chat
||My social life chat||
Its sarcasm btw,i actually have a nice social life
Pfp?
profile picture
pack of feral porpoises
Thnks
What Is a porpoise?
dolphin
~~porpoise encases all doplin related species (~~wait nvm they are a dolphin like species)
they're a dolphin like animal
Ah i see
though dolphins and porpoises are closely related they appear to be separate
are you just quoting wikipedia now
An orca Is the evolution equivalent to a dolphin but big
yeah they just big dolphin
obligatory reminder tier zoo is a hollow knight fan 😎
Yeah there's hk music in his videos
Really?nice
I mean he's not wrong
I can relate to the ascension portion to an extent.
Would you buy silksong if it came out and was $120
Well i would wait for the price to be dropped down due to a civil war in adelaide
pog waiting for hk sentinel and hk protector
I would have skipped it if it cost me 60, but then again I don't buy 40+ dollar games anyways
honestly hope they keep it at 15$
the amount goodwill and people who would double dip is more than enough to cover the potential monetary gain they could get at a higher pricing
plus, they get that soft power
their game gets more coverage because other countries can afford it, so their fanbase potential becomes larger
Amazing pfp
No one would have bought HK for 60
@cerulean sable it’s also a marketing point.
If they sell the game at 4x the price (60usd) but only 20% of the people who would have bought it at 15 buy it, they lose out on profit
yeah
While SS and HK are now relatively more well known, they are also known transnationally.
So the 15usd price point is still something that could appeal to a wider audience and be more profitable, as well as more accessible to all
I feel like it should be 20$
like i get saying this game is worth 60$ and i agree
but the people saying "TEAM CHERRY PLEASE SELL SILKSONG FOR 60$" unironically would probably know that would kill a huge fucking part of their playerbase 🥴
While Triple A games have investors that pressure them, as well as extremely high budget holes to fill
So yeah, different niches of the same market
yeah and their small team means that money is distributed well enough that theyre probably set for life
It’s confirmed to be allegedly 15-20 usd
AAA games already have a massive fanbase that buy their game every year for 60$
Cough fifa and cod
I wouldn’t say life, game development is time consuming, expensive, and usually risky
Leth already mentioned that theyre hard pressed not to change that price point due to how popular it is
Obviously they probably aren’t going broke, but SS isn’t exactly going to be a small expense in the theoretical event that it fails
yeah hence "probably"
things can change like, tons of football players that fucked with their retirement money went broke within 2-3 years on average
The game or price?
the price
but the takeway is theyre at least set to make any games they want to from now on, which was their goal anyway
I mean, I’m sure they could easily market the game as worth 30, 40, or even 60 given enough marketing/content is at hand
But yeah, 15 usd with what is likely a large amount of well liked content basically sells itself
Hollow knight as a product is ideal for any consumer, assuming you look at videogames as investments for time
they could probably get away with a higher price but i still think it would take a decent chunk from the fanbase, since lets be honest, majority of this fanbase is young and its usually at that age where they cant justify to their parents to afford paying 30$+ for a game during a pandemic
The young portion of the community is 80% a result of the switch port
They can trick or treat then sell the candy they get
Rest of the community, mostly steam, is likely within that age group. Not to say that steam is filled with only mature audiences.
oh yeah definitely switch did pull a ton of younger kids
But yeah, if a game is hand drawn and on the Nintendo switch (and only 15 bucks) any parent who could buy a switch could probably make the purchase within a minute
i mean in general gaming was always dominant in the lower age bracket (when was it never, thats gaming in general)
add in cute artstyle + low price = "MOM CAN WE BUY THIS PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
ye ye
Not saying Hk is marketed to kids, but look at the game in the eyes of a parent, lol
look at the brightside, were training a generation of kids to git gud /s
also i guess it also makes sense in a way, kids have more free time to get invested with a game
i usually see comments of 30+ people saying they just dont have the time for a game like HK and it feels like its wasting their time, especially going home after work and wandering to the point they feel like theyre not progressing
“Oh it’s a cute little dude jumping down a well on an adventure! Sure, it’s only 15 bucks anyway”
HK:
meanwhile at most what does a kid do other than their chores? with how dominant gaming nowadays as their hobby, they have a fuckton of free time just after going to school
yeah the artstyle reels you in a false sense "aww cute bugs :3" before dropping you with infanticide
Don’t forget cannibalism
yeah
i like how the game has dark moments without being grim dark
you know spikes, blood and guts everywhere type of dark
add it with the artstyle being cute, feels kinda in home
I mean, sorta.
The game isn’t cynical (if that’s what you mean)
ye ye
theres noone harping you about how the darkness inside the empty souls of bugs is what causes civlizaitons to collapse and how existance is a virus that must be extinguished to prevent further suffering from being born yad yadayaydayadyaya all that bullshit
The goal is to incite curiosity/wonder, as opposed to terror or disgust
definitely
Compare doom eternal glory kills with resident evil gore
Both games are gory, one game has cartoon sound effects when you pop a monsters eye out
The other has one dragging itself on the floor towards you screaming in a dimly lit basement
So yeah; themes can be used in different ways
Like this is just funny:
for me it mostly feels that HK has the
"Everyones dead and dying, this place is a shithole, but im still getting paid so thats life ¯_(ツ)_/¯" darkness to it
where other grim dark setting which i dont really vibe to goes hard on:
"DEATH TO EVERYONE, LIFE IS A MISTAKE, WE ARE ALL PAWNS THAT WILL END UP DYING, LIFE IS MEANINGLESS, WE MUST ACCEPT AND KILL EVERYONE RAAWWWWWWRRRRRR"\
This is less funny:
Hey at least hollow knight has good endings
yeah circumstantially dreary is different from "everyone and everything fucking hates each other"
The best one obviously being the mushroom one
yeah ive noticed Eternal has some cartoony gory kills lmao
Actually, does this count as NSFL? I know it’s videogame content and thus not actually technically disturbing but this is a case of gore actually being used in a disturbing manner.
It’s by purpose too, the director makes note of how gore in eternal was redesigned in a way to be satisfying and “cartoony” in its own right
figured as much. Thanks
as long as its not overbearing its fine for me
Stalker does a great job for me of having this depressing environment full of danger, but you always feel at home because theres a lot of moments where youre just camping with the boys playing guitar in a busted building before setting back into the dangers
it feels hopeless but at the same time it has lighthearted moments to it, feels "human" for me
its depressing but its also beautiful
Dorohedoro is really good at handling a horrifying dangerous world in a light-hearted way
“Everyone that’s worth loving and everything worthwhile is either ruined, fallen, or dead, because of [thematically tragic character trait]
As opposed to:
“Yo, this horrific apocalypse and it’s resulting completed/transpiring events are oddly beautiful”
Which is also probably why BoTW is so often compared to HK.
So metro exodus vs botw
resident evil vs doom eternal, etc
Doom Eternal doesnt really explore anything outside of "look at how epic our doom slayer saga is 🤪 "
so uh idk
Both are horrific apocalypses in which the player character has to traverse through.
What’s being looked at is how the game tries to make you feel while traversing these thematically appropriate areas
And how aspects of the game can be designed to provoke those emotions
Doom eternal pressures and empowers the player through pressure, RE puts the player on defense and has them scavenging and treasuring resources
Both of these experiences are mechanically fulfilling and thematically parallel, but not necessarily with the same purpose/design
Which then circles back to how hollow knight is extremely easy to compare to a horror game on setting alone, but you get the idea already
hey @proud vale ||some the datamined owl names in echoes of the eye are from hollow knight || outer wilds dlc spoilers
its nice to know that the people who made my favorite game likes my other favorite game
chief 
why is 
what the fuck
What
i think the special thing in hollow knight is it approaches the setting from a place of, 'what would make someone care about this world,' and then builds from that POV and makes great use of NPCs who're actually emotionally connected tot he world around them. the entire game just comes from such a place of love and joy, especially when it comes to quirrel, and when the tragic aspects of the story hit, the joy and the darkness get reconciled by quirrel's dialogue reframing it almost s though your exploration is a mourning process that this world both needs and deserves
like you can tell why the bugs of hallownest cared about their kingdom, you can feel like this was a world that was cared for in its prime, and is still full of wonder even as a dust-outline of something long gone
frankly it just helps too that everyone is a bug. both because like, there's just something ridiculous by nature about bug's building a civilization and city-state, but also they're not really human, and you can elevate, escalate, and isolate human ideas in a kingdom of bugs without the incredibly loaded baggage of, boy, sure are a lot of human corpses anywhere
i think there's also something about being surrounded by bug corpses to that makes me think of like, the most deeply abandoned houses you can imagine. like, when everything else dies, when houses or buildings get abandoned, bugs take over. so there's just this weird lonely desolate feeling to be in a place where even the bugs have all died and fossilized
just finished playing silksong, overrated game tbh and ripoff of super mario
Quirrel best boi
sorry what the shit is this real
Yes

really ?
That's cool
Did you found this by yourself or is it from a reddit/Steam forum or something ? @warm bone
Can't find the source
yeah I wanna know what other games they're from
I do believe too that TC are first and foremost worldbuilders
(And damn good at it too)
Slowmode? We get news?
But yeah they have talked about how much they love building worlds
Slowmode's always on
it's been like this forever
you clearly aren't in this channel very often. slowmode is permanent here
Sad way for a chat to be lol.
Server has 150k people, ofc there's gonna be slowmode
Nah I'm active and im about 130 servers. And when here I mostly go to #hk-discussion
but not this one apparently
that's about 100 servers too many
Fair enough. Was just wondering. Usually slow mode is only ever on even on big servers when theres huge news.
Alright. Cya then.
anyway
clearly they're much much smaller than this server then
Depends on the server. And how much chatter there is. Alot are. Some aren't.
Anyway it's fine. It was just a question. I don't wanna get off topic.
Heading back to reading #hk-discussion - good luck here.
You'd think scammers would learn by now that that trick's the first thing people look for
Although ig it might work on the less attentive of us 
it's either this or winning a lottery
scammers are uncreative
increases my kill count, I'm happy
hey unique 
aajjjfw 

Ye, but they’re not lookin’ for the smart people. They know if they do it enough times, they’re bound to catch at least one unfortunate soul
Also g’mornin, folks 
morning nugget 
…yes. Yes I did 

unconvincing 
You can sleep well and wake up early
I spose, but I did fall asleep pretty late
Oh then 
there hasn't been too much
recently so it shouldn't be too bad
what
I do not know what you are talking about, my dear friend. I provide only but the most convincing of points
Worry not, my friend. Tis water under the bridge
I keep looking at the Ss and thinking silk song. Only to be Redisapointed when I realize again it’s steel soul
ok
It’s my own fault I know. Just sharing
It is about Silksong check #rules-and-info
Welp I’m a goober then and missed that
Been wrong before. Today is just one more notch in that belt.
🤨
what yall think about the leaked release date?
i don't think about it at all, so laughably untrue
what
Perhaps untrue is the wrong word. Inaccurate, perhaps
i mean that the leak isn't real- it's test data dreamed up by Nvidia
how can you be so sure
I’ve given up that it will be released any time soon
because its not from TC, Steam is a waaaay better source and THEIR leak turned out to be untrue
TC doesn't like to advertise a far-away release in case they can't get their game done
maybe its already done
nope, if it were done it would be released
maybe theyre waiting for february
nope
why nope
maybe they are
Perhaps they are waiting for better release date?
2-2-22
they don't NEED a better release date tho
true ig
remember how hk s release date screwed em up
idk to continue the february chain
tbf that was when they were not very well known
HK and SS are entirely different beasts
now they have a entire fandom, but they did state they want new players to come too
"hey our game was done but we liked Feb better so we waiting 4 months instead of giving our fans what they wanted and just having the game release"
yes
again, they're not clinically insane so that's not what's going on
and maybe quarantine will come back in february
so? release it now quarantine means nothing, never did to TC
fair enough
so, insumation, we will get the game as soon as its ready
Or within a relatively short window
well, yea
And besides, I'm sure TC is eager to release the game as well, at least to the extent that we are
They've been working on it for years, even if you disregard the money I imagine they're looking forward to the culmination of their labours
And the greater freedoms of their next project
imagine the cigar you'd smoke after toiling to release silksong
or, you know, likely a healthier alternative
I wonder if TC will take a break or something after SS
Development of HK and SS kinda overlapped, so they've pretty much been working ever since their creation
i would be surprised if they didn't
At least, nothing beyond just bug fixes and patches for Silksong.
They might just like rest for a little bit, and see the result of SS, which i can tell will be good
they're literally millionaires at that point so i think they can wait to start fearless fox
ofc they might want to start it
Hey, guys, what are you talking about
that... or they're just happiest maknig games and they're just going to get on with it?
what TC does after SS
They've already started coming up with ideas, so I could see them being stoked to get underway
maybe they just love their job a lot
I think hollowknoght silksong is gonna be pretty swell
Understatement of the year
Well clearly you aren’t as excited for SS as we are
That’s a bit worrying if those are the things your most excited for in SS
for now i'm obsessed about other stuff
so i guess that helps the wait a bit?
The wait's only bad if you're focusing on SS, so yeah
Nothing wrong with that
I really hope that in silksong we meet mr mushroom again
probably the only returning character
that's actually the only character i expect to make a return tbh
inb4 hornet
others can either die, or don't have many reasons to be in another place other than Hallownest
I think we might see him in a different form
Like, maybe we won't see a "Mister Mushroom" but still see the Master Herald
Master Fungus
I can't really consider Mister Mushroom as a serious character, idk why. If the master herald appears again in Pharloom I except him to have a troll-ish form
What about this isn't serious to you 
He eats and breathes seriousness
It's a good meme indeed. I just can't Imagine him appearing as serious
This some deep stuff
Lmao
Serious meme 
Videos taken moments before disaster
we
Good to know we have an official date 🙂
oh wow sIlK sOnG rElEaSe dAtE cOnFiRmEd?!?!?!?!
when the stale joke hits 😎
Good to know my grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grandchildren can go play silksong
spam
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A tool that doubles the usability of an active tool
ngl I would like to see something like that, maybe a crest, even, in the interest of making red tool builds more viable for exploration (or any circumstance where you might be away from a bench for a while)
remember guys, after you download disconnect your switch from the internet so they cant patch the broken ass tools dmg 
i'll keep a copy of the first release
A tool that casually protects your head, like Baldur Shell but while you move, or like the bell enemies' heads
maybe hornets gonna need a disguise to sneak in
so she like wears a bell over her horns and head
and then screen visibility is reduced cause of that
or you could go in guns blazing i suppose
it reminds me of that item in Wind Waker
Electrokinesis tool 
Sigma
puppetmaster hornet
Sith Lord Hornet
Zeusnet
Love this
Should be luma's tho
Would be cool but I kinda doubt they will
I was gonna use their sprites but some of the pics in the sprite drive don't have transparent backgrounds
ah yeah understandable
Unlike the purely ephemeral, god-created Knight, Gibson reminds us, Hornet is also halfbug. “And what that means is – and this perhaps happened automatically just through development – she’s much more physical, and the world as a result is more physical. So there are less glowy orb things, and magic bursts of light, and many more blades and traps.”
Bolts of lightning kind of clash with the intended feel
If it gets added in game it should be lumas surrounding 3-6 enemies around you
WHERE IS THIS QUOTE FRO
Lumafly Swarm 
sorry all caps
Edge, where else?
interesting
oh i dont remember reading it in edge
Like half the things I've been doing have conflicted with normal SS tbh 
I just do them for fun, spitballing ideas
still cool tho
Lumafly's elegy
Yeah, not really directing that at you, Aluo, just substantiating why I don't think we'll see anything like that in the game
I hope that TC adds or has added more areas than showcased in the trailer and other things like edge and stuff, exploring and finding new areas was one of the best and most rewarding things to do in HK
in the HK trailer pretty much every area was showcased in the trailer with the exception of maybe one or two
REAL?!??!?!
We've only seen a few areas, I'm sure there are at least as many more that we haven't
so far we know of:
Moss Grotto
Deep Docks
Forest of Bones
Bonebottom
The Marrow
The Shining Citadel
Greymoor
Clocktower?
A coral area
A clover area
And the speculated “Ancient Sea”
"I am the Faker. I am your guide through these vast new possibilities."
Some of those are probably double counted
Obviously, in the trailer theres only like 6 areas
oh and the gilded city
And I wouldn't really call Bonebottom an area in and of itself, at least not in the sense that, say, Deep Docks is
Yoooo alu is Faker?
Technically, yes, but not in the same sense as other areas
fair
What If spoiler: ||Eventually one of my fakes will realize who I am||
- Whats ancient sea
- Whats the clover area
- How about the ant area
forgot about the ant area








