sk-discussion

[elfin swift]

hard too see when she's not moving but it's five moving limbs

[tranquil igloo]

tk doesn't either

[tribal merlin]

the top right one isn't a limb, it's part of the background

[elfin swift]

it looks like it's moving in the trailer, but hard to see since it's so short

ah i see yeah, that's four legs

[tribal merlin]

I mean you can tell from looking that if it was a limb it wouldn't connect to her body the other 4 do, it also has a curve and not a knee

[elfin swift]

i choose to believe hornet has 6 and only unlocks them when she gets all the chaos emeralds and becomes super hornet

[tribal merlin]

that helps with the endgame rowing challenge

[orchid rune]

Hey everyone what happeard about crowsworn on the direct?

Nevermind it was just the kickstarter trailer

[trim estuary]

it was just the kickstarter trailer

[nimble radish]

snail

[trim estuary]

[obsidian juniper]

Hi everyone

[viral pivot]

hellooo

[obsidian juniper]

How are you,all doing?

[elfin swift]

deltarune chapter 2 announce and release fills me with hope. fills me with a yearning for silksong

dreaming of news in october during pax aus

the spirit of breakout hit indie game sequels is in the air

like cinnamon on an autumn breeze

[rose canopy]

i have hope from deltarune as well 😢

[hollow sedge]

hopefully

maybe silksong news at the next nintendo direct

whenever that is

[formal karma]

nah

[midnight radish]

One of these days we’ll stop laughing at the idea of news

[formal karma]

directs mean literally nothing

[elfin swift]

pax aus is significantly more likely than a direct, i think silksong is just too big to do in an indie direct and it would risk overshadowing the other games featured

[daring loom]

the lace theme song looks pretty epix

[daring loom]

combonation of remix and epix

[hollow sedge]

i meant regular nintendo direct

[daring loom]

epix is the combo of epic and remix

i d k im stupid

LEAVE ME ALONE ALRIGHT? IM STUPID OK?

[elfin swift]

i know this came up before but does lace's theme actually include a bit of hornet's leitmotif? or was that just someone mishearing?

[opaque sigil]

I doubt it. Hornet's leitmotif was derived from PK's, which, ya know, wouldn't really fit

[elfin swift]

if hornet and lace are meant to have a very intertwined/interpersonal story, it'd make sense to split a bit of their music between each other

[nimble radish]

it could also be a reference to them fulfilling similar roles gameplay wise

[elfin swift]

i just finished deltarune chap 2 so my brain is just Activated on characters sharing musical cues to denote character links

[formal karma]

when Nameless King's boss theme starts playing Gwyn's theme... oooh yea

[elfin swift]

oh shit does it? i never picked up on that that's rad

[formal karma]

yea, it was pretty hype to finally have gwyn's first born...

[elfin swift]

after miyazaki was flush with bloodborne moon juice and made the encounter a dream within a dream lol

which is defs fitting for the character at least

[livid spear]

hi

[elfin swift]

i'm loving in deltarune all the places the world revolving/don't forget theme is woven through different songs

howdy howdy

lost girl in chapter 2 weaving in and out of the girl next door and ferris wheel themes was also really loveley

god i can't wait to see what christopher larkin cooks up for silksong, just so genuinely happy every time i think about silksong being a thing that will exist

[formal karma]

them there theme songs gettin my hyped

[proud vale]

Silkpals! Greetings

[opaque sigil]

I mean it was only revealed 2.5 years ago, that really isn't that long

[proud vale]

Silksong will be the first... quadruple A

[silver oak]

Silkcrew

Damn autocorrect

There are no A’s in the phrase “Hollow Knight: Silksong”

[proud vale]

Salksang

[gilded adder]

Orange
Only 8 days until Outer Wilds DLC and the sale...

[proud vale]

JOHNNY you're hyping me up pal

[gilded adder]

Well, you hyped me up first lol

And now I can't wait to play it

[proud vale]

The hype do be mutual then, do you plan to play with a controller?

[opaque sigil]

You should

[elfin swift]

outer wilds dlc hot fuckin diggity i cant wait

[chilly nexus]

i like u

do you want SS lore?

[gilded adder]

Yup, I have an Xbox One controller. Is it better to play on controller than keyboard and mouse?

[elfin swift]

ive actually done a pretty admirable job dodging silksong lore and staying relatively blind as to anything in the game

never even watched he treehouse demo

[chilly nexus]

oo nice ok then i am not your guy but respect what you're doing :p

[proud vale]

Yeah much much better in my opinion, it also recommends you use one every time you launch

[gilded adder]

Wow, this is just like Hollow Knight

[proud vale]

Haha Jacoby has the deeeep lore

[strange cove]

i have a question fellow bug fans

didnt the steam page for silksong say tbd?

or was it always tba

[opaque sigil]

1: It was always TBA
2: Those are identical in meaning

[strange cove]

ok thank you i almost had a heart attack

[gilded adder]

Silksong says TBA. Crowsworn says TBD. They are interchangeable.

[strange cove]

oki doki

[opaque sigil]

To be announced, to be determined

[vivid belfry]

that's not true, if it's TBD that means they might shadowdrop it

[strange cove]

thought they were different meanings

[opaque sigil]

Fine, ig the meanings are slightly different, but not from our perspective

[strange cove]

like, tbd "oh we havent thought of a date" and tba "oh yeah we have a date but we're not giving it"

[gilded adder]

Also, will the DLC be like a post-game sort of thing or just another area that gets unlocked that you can explore at any time?

[strange cove]

just wondering but thank you guys

[opaque sigil]

I'd like to know that too

[proud vale]

Well some things that Mobius has said about the DLC makes me think it's post-game, because they've asked people to keep their completed saves

[opaque sigil]

Weird.

[high hedge]

Of HK or SS?

[gilded adder]

Outer Wilds

[opaque sigil]

I mean when outer wilds is over, it's pretty, you know, over

[high hedge]

Ah

I forgot we were in Outer Wilds Discussion

[proud vale]

But I think you can explore it at any time, just by the nature of the game (nothing is locked off ever pretty much, you just gotta know how to get through) but I think the DLC makes more sense if you beat the game first? I don't have too much of a clue

[gilded adder]

I see. I guess we will find out on the 28th.

[lime cargo]

Just saw the trailer for this game for the first time on Friday

[gilded adder]

Silksong?

[lime cargo]

Yeah

[gilded adder]

Nice

[warm bone]

They’ve said how it’s supposed to be interwoven into the main story

[pseudo umbra]

Still waiting to see if Outer Wilds Expansion will be free or not

[lime cargo]

Is it a prequel or sequel?

[warm bone]

15$

[gilded adder]

It's going to be paid, 15 bucks

[gilded adder]

We don't know for sure.

[pseudo umbra]

Oh nice! I wanted to get it for a friend as a gift

[opaque sigil]

Not the expected reaction to that news

[proud vale]

Mercury what a pal

[pseudo umbra]

Would have been a lame gift if it was free haha

[gilded adder]

It is technically advertised as a sequel but that's mainly in terms of it being the second game in the Hollow Knight series.

[lime cargo]

Yeah, I know what you mean

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's probably a chronological sequel but we don't know for sure

[gilded adder]

Yea

[vivid belfry]

it definitely isn't a plot sequel

[languid linden]

That is sarcasm to anyone who can't tell

[vivid belfry]

no it isn't

plot sequel doesn't mean chronological sequel

[languid linden]

Grover wrote a wall on why SS is a sequel

[mystic pewter]

yes it is

[vivid belfry]

I mean SS isn't going to continue the story of hollow knight

[languid linden]

Oh okay

What about me

I've wasted the past year of my life on HK lore, can I get some recognition too

[opaque sigil]

What about you?

[glossy gazelle]

I’m just here, who never has actually been in the lore channel.

[serene chasm]

Ive been there once. once

[languid linden]

Stay that way

[glossy gazelle]

Most of my lore knowledge is my own observations and mossbag

[trim estuary]

You can be Lore Apprentice

[languid linden]

Yay!

[elfin swift]

silksong will likely build on the themes and emotional beats of hollow knight, which imo is more significant than literal plot points

[opaque sigil]

From what we've seen, it looks to be a bit of a departure from HK in that regard, at least in many parts of the game

[trim estuary]

Seems to be more bright

Literally

[elfin swift]

hollow knight is very much a game about identity, to me, and with hornet digging a bit deeper into her family's past i think a lotta those themes and ideas will carry over

tc in general have a really great touch for making characters who feel like they want and care about things, and who exist inside and as a part of the world, rather than points to click and get dialogue out of for wiki entries, so that's a v natural fit for their storytelling style

[gilded adder]

I agree and it seems like Silksong will be continuing that trend.

[elfin swift]

hollow knight does a similar thing to deltarune too, to me, where a lot of npcs comment on the knight's appearance and demeanor without any player input. as the player character, you move around hollow knight in whichever order you want, exploring as you want, and as a silent protagonist youre encouraged based on genre expectations to project onto them, so the knight is just a vessel to experience the game through rather than a character in and of themself. but the way the npcs actively wonder what they're thinking, comment on them behavior, kinda creates this like, hypothetical character and identity that might exist, that not even you, the player, are privy too

[chilly nexus]

i love u, you're so articulate and precise

[elfin swift]

which ties v neatly into the overall question of whether a successful hollow knight is possible, or if identity and personality are an inevitable part of being

[elfin swift]

oh man thanks! im glad the twelve jours a day i spend thinking about hollow knight pays off into intelligible thought lol

but all that just makes me really curious how they'll write hornet in silksong. cause its not just silent protagonist vs speaking protagonist, but silent protagonist whose silence is an essential part of the game's themes and questions and story vs a character who is explicit her own person from the get go

[chilly nexus]

that's like me with the lore theorizing :p (and the way various systems will work in SS to an extent). I'd love to share em with you but respect your desire to go in without preconceived ideas

i just added screenshots to my lore doc

[tranquil igloo]

No

[shell yacht]

No

the only Grover contribution that comes to mind immediately is || Gruzzer milk||

[wanton barn]

Please

[shell yacht]

no

[wanton barn]

you have a very swagger about me

[shell yacht]

ask him about it

[chilly nexus]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v17P6BpnQ5lFyFilLM5mjvkpOj0-TJHF/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=116771969245383300883&rtpof=true&sd=true can som1 lemme know if the link to the lore doc works? I've given up on making a video so am just gonna update that

[opaque sigil]

It works

[chilly nexus]

nice

anyways, yeah! enjoy!

[opaque sigil]

[ionic pike]

ya'll are just saying the same exact things over and over here

[opaque sigil]

Not always

[tranquil igloo]

wanna see repetitive? go to the lore channel

[chilly nexus]

feel free to say something productive and entirely new!

[ionic pike]

lol

[chilly nexus]

the goal is just to entertain here

[fleet temple]

the goal is just to entertain here

[ionic pike]

the goal is just to entertain here

[warm bone]

The goal is just to entertain here

[chilly nexus]

omg my quote is trending

[ionic pike]

u messed it up smh

[opaque sigil]

[chilly nexus]

sorry, i couldn't resist the fleeting fame and bask-portunity

[ionic pike]

Someone with a dictionary; what a subversion of the standard Internet user. What might be your purpose on Discord?

[opaque sigil]

Is "fleeting" really such a niche term

[chilly nexus]

i hope my aquarius stellium and cap sun isn't being mistaken for pretentiousness 0.o i just talk like that

PhAnTaSmAgOrIcAl ||that's right, I took the GRE ||

[dusty kettle]

Yo

I'm honestly not hyped for silksong anymore

[chilly nexus]

rip, what's up? unless you mean that in a healthy way

[old parcel]

Im gonna be hyped for every game until it comes out. No matter how many time it takes.

[rapid topaz]

Isn't getting hyped for every games, too dangerous ? Like you're constantly hyped

[serene chasm]

woah there Einstein! Niche? Way to make us normal people look so dumb

[old parcel]

Well, only the games I like. Like cuphead, deltarune, Hk, many cods that have disappointed me, very much that.

Oh, Nier too.

Hey

Do you think the Grimm Troupe comes back after, being vanished or completing their ritual? Cuz ya know, we are in a different kingdom, and maybe theres gonna be more lore for them

[serene chasm]

No. Grimm troupe is summoned to dead kingdoms

[old parcel]

ah, right

I forgot, srry

[rapid topaz]

I think it's very unlikely to happen but not impossible

(Very low chances)

[chilly nexus]

ye i think the grimm troupe is concluded for all intents and purposes. we got the NKG boss who's title matched the radiance. idk how much more they could open it up and re-shut it

[serene chasm]

Plus we already have Grimm Troupe in SS
Grimm troupe in SS

[chilly nexus]

^

[fleet temple]

Grimm troupe in ss

[obsidian juniper]

Does that mean that theyre gonna come to ss discussions in a few months? ||/S||

[chilly nexus]

TC isn't gonna release SS until everyone in this server has beaten p5 i heard

i just got steel heart, but still need the p5 clear

[serene chasm]

Well. Guess Silknever

[chilly nexus]

ye it's too bad

[old parcel]

Steel heart but no P5? Man, i did p5 but i dont have steel heart achievement

[chilly nexus]

tbh I did steel heart at 108% even :p

and I only save scummed the charm notch in fog canyon

[old parcel]

Omg youre a god

[chilly nexus]

I left out two pantheons, ToTF, and the pale flower

i wasn't really keeping track but knew I wanted to skip those

ended up getting everything else unintentionally

[rapid topaz]

That's fair

No need to do such... Frustrating things in the game

[chilly nexus]

i should've skipped the fog canyon notch so i could call it a clean steel heart

i reset that room a lot

[old parcel]

Hey, i did the delicate flower in steel soul. And then i died, in my fight with the radiance just when i had the 100

[chilly nexus]

omg noooo! you should've just finished thk

[old parcel]

Ik

[chilly nexus]

I might attempt p5 on my steel soul file (cuz i let zote die in it)

[old parcel]

I suppose i wanted to finish in an epic way. My fault.

[rapid topaz]

[chilly nexus]

GPZ was the main reason i never bothered. i never got consistent at it

[old parcel]

Yeah i let zote die too.

[chilly nexus]

it's still my biggest design decision gripe with HK

letting zote's life/death affect p5 in the way it did (if it was an easter egg or simple boss, that'd be chill, but it's a punishment)

for what should be the universal experience of hk's hardest content

[rapid topaz]

actually I genuienly like GPZ, I think the design is great. I'm having fun to fight him compared to most other bosses

I wasn't bothered to have him on the pantheons

[chilly nexus]

I think he's a fine inclusion, but should just be either included all the time or excluded all the time from p5

[rapid topaz]

but yeah I agree with you about that

[chilly nexus]

the fact that I'd rather tackle the game's pinnacle content on another file because of a small story choice made fairly early game, is just eh

[still owl]

Normal P5 is fine, but bindings can be absolute hell.

[rapid topaz]

This doesn't make much sense

[still owl]

It was the one thing keeping me from completing P5AB for the longest time

[shell yacht]

get dabbed on

[chilly nexus]

get tripped on, zote style

[edgy basin]

probably is cause i've been hyped for about 3 months now on about 4 different games

[cerulean sable]

stfu lore mod

[olive bobcat]

Tool idea

[serene chasm]

sprint spikes?

[olive bobcat]

Yes

[serene chasm]

I like it

[tawdry valley]

Mmmmmm how long do they stay and how do they do damage/debuff

It’s pretty cool but it’s also functionally parallel with defenders crest.

[olive bobcat]

Idk I'm just spitballing rn

This mess of a tool that leeches health

[tawdry valley]

Hiveblood but cool? Yes

[olive bobcat]

I'm thinking the way it would work is that it would heal you by damaging all enemies in the area of that orb, at the expense of your silk (which will drain gradually, so if you run away from the enemies then it stops, yada yada, you can probs turn it off)

Ok gonna shower be back in like 10 minutes

[tawdry valley]

The only issue would be it would be ridiculous AoE in large groups

So maybe consider it as a proximity thing that had a large burst of damage+leech at the end on a single target.

[agile kelp]

i wish this was there in real life

imagine a bug running around and then you step into the spikes

i would keep spider to guard my house and im scared of spiders

[chilly nexus]

I hope hornet gets some sort of silk related CC

if a spider's silk can't be used to catch something in SS, i feel like that's an intuitive miss

[mortal grove]

despite all my rage

[chrome dragon]

Or it could be using health?

[tranquil igloo]

batman

[agile kelp]

weavers can weave spells so perhaps they can catch spells as well

[olive bobcat]

The point is that it regenerates health, so I don't think that would work out

[chrome dragon]

Yeah after I said that I saw the red tendril looking things going into Hornet and realized I wasn't being the smartest

[olive bobcat]

Tbh it's just that big so the Coral Guy is in it

[tawdry valley]

Not because you recycled the Troupe tent sprite

[olive bobcat]

I can resize everything
I am in control here

[cobalt fog]

Silksong discussion

[agile kelp]

wait considering the lifeblood needle does this mean we can learn more on lifeblood? If theres a hb for lifeblood this means their reach can reach to atleast 2 kingdoms

[kind drum]

Silksong discussion

[agile kelp]

Milksong discussion

[chrome dragon]

Discussion

[warped umbra]

your concept art looks like actual in game footage and it burns

[tribal merlin]

we need to ask Alu when fake SilkSong release date is

[tawdry valley]

I dig it.

[fleet temple]

What's that?

[agile kelp]

Art

[surreal mortar]

Hornet

[bleak scarab]

Void

[agile kelp]

Hornet void art

Silk void

[bleak scarab]

Time to run

[agile kelp]

Yep

[coarse leaf]

is there new footage?

[fleet temple]

It's a fake image

[agile kelp]

Its an idea for what a tool could potentially be, if you can heal the mask when you lose it but lose another mask before you heal the one you got via tool then this makes the tool better than life blood, it even takes less silk than to heal.

[agile kelp]

Or I'm wrong and it takes all the silk but still very useful

[cerulean sable]

reading some typical gaming related posts, one of them is how overwhelming choices made them quit a game

I would love to play around in the game world, collecting characters, fighting monsters and cooking and just chilling. The main issue arises when you open the menu. The quests tab seems overburdened with various quests, many of which seem to be level locked. Then there's the characters menu. Dear god. Every character can be leveled manually with some kind of books you have, which raises the question what level should I aim for in the first place. Then there's a plethora of weapons, most of which look the same, and the worst thing is, apparently they need to be levelled up too. And there's also the arrifact system which I can't even begin to understand.

Makes me appreciate how HK's approach to simplicity, but ofc concerns with overwhelming trackers when it comes to side quests on SS, but i doubt theyre gonna reach that point anyway

[ocean mulch]

I think quests won't be overwhelming

[coarse leaf]

one of the most important things in games is progression, the player should never feel overwhelmed from the choices given,
so creators need to introduce the mechanics one by one to not overwhelm the players,
but a lot of games introduce it in a way that scares off new players, they show all these fancy menus, and massive choice in each menu and that leads to confusion.
after that there is the tutorial that is very important, the tutorial is something that is hard to perfect, hollow knight achieved this very well by not telling almost anything to the player and every time you get a new ability the button to use it is on the screen, very well done and feels like natural progression.
I believe every complicated game should take the steps, one by one not showing everything at once, introduce new mechanics, new menus in a steady pace that is fun and connected to the game, and not something you just wait and sigh while he's explaining every button on the screen and tells you to click it in some mobile games.

a game that is famous and infamous for its difficult to understand progression is terraria,
terraria is a game that does not tell the player anything, yet expects the player to know everything when going in,
it does not introduce mechanics, neither does it tell you anything about new items and powerful enemies, most of the time is spent on the wiki unless you're a veteran
that is why you command a lot of respect for beating master mode terraria, because its hard to understand and hard to play and beat it.

and imagine how difficult it was for players to create the wiki, so many things needed to be explored there was a time where there wasn't a wiki, which is crazy to say the least, you can never know which wings are better if you don't check the wiki or you need to actually build a testing facility for the wing power and speed

and then you have celeste, which is a very difficult game, even for people with powerful learning abilities its gonna be hard at the start because of the way the dash works, the dash goes to the direction the w a s d is facing, which means you can go in 8 different directions total, you can't change the dash direction mid air which is something that is quite the challenge to control, 1 wrong move and you're back at the start, celeste has great artwork, and the game play is fantastic but the lore is just bruh, although the lore is feels somewhat realistic it is not there for a compelling story its just cringe.
but otherwise the game play is amazing, I personally found it really fun to travel through the dream walls that makes your dash go crazy fast.

and of course there is the famous minecraft, minecraft is just a lazy masterpiece, the game has such simple mechanics yet its so well designed,
the music is written so well under minecraft's unique gameplay I would argue it connects half as good as hollow knight music to the game, what really makes the game a lazy masterpiece is the fact that you can make anything you want in minecraft, its a placeholder for anything you want really,
you can make lore, characters, games, mobs, bosses, your imagination is the limit you have in minecraft which is what it is famous and infamous for.

[agile kelp]

Minecraft is a simple game with a simple and easy to understand sandbox like feature, its simple but brilliant

[coarse leaf]

exactly thats why its a lazy masterpiece

[drowsy bronze]

@coarse leaf the fuck are you talking about

[agile kelp]

Scroll up

[drowsy bronze]

soooo much text fr

[agile kelp]

R e a d

[drowsy bronze]

TOO MUCH

[agile kelp]

Think of it as info on a silksong update

[drowsy bronze]

n o

[agile kelp]

Y e s

[drowsy bronze]

m o

[agile kelp]

Yes?

[coarse leaf]

yo @agile kelp I have a profile picture you can use

[agile kelp]

No thanks it burns my eyes I mean its not bad but its too... vibrant

[coarse leaf]

I see well it could be a cool meme but alright your choice

[agile kelp]

Oooh its a meme

[cerulean sable]

it might be a fuckton of text but its damn good discussion over the typical shitposting

[agile kelp]

Yep

[cerulean sable]

and yeah i agree, its up to the dev to make sure they dont overwhelm their players, and HK really does this well by just dropping you and making you piece the stuff together

[agile kelp]

Honestly it becomes insanely easy to read walls of text like this when you start reading books like the last samurai or if you start reading wiki articles

[cerulean sable]

naturally theres ofc people who dislike how limited early on feels and some people do feel like its slow, but it naturally works for the atmosphere the game is trying to portray

having the intro just about you doing an 70 on a freeway with explosions, while getting chased by international cop bugs or something doesnt really establish the mood the game was going for, even if that chases people's attention early on

[coarse leaf]

I love the idea of the player starting without anything but the nail, it makes good progression,
but for some players who already played the game its gonna be annoying to start this slow, I can understand why it would be disliked after 1 time playing

[cerulean sable]

i had a discussion at one point, and we came to the conclusion that interactivity early on makes a huge help instead of just making it faster

[agile kelp]

I think things speed up when you get dash but I think silksong will be quite fast, also ss seems to have a really well planed intro to engross you into the game like hk, even when replaying it doesn't make you want to skip it unlike a lot of other games

[cerulean sable]

stuff like being able to do ledge climb might be miniscule stuff but in a way it adds engagement? just because it allows you to have more interaction with the environment early on

whereas in HK its mostly just hop hop hop hop pogo for early game

i mean making it faster i guess would help but its not solely the only way of doing it

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[agile kelp]

Honestly you need to replay hollowknight to get the full experience, its another thing that makes the game beautiful

[coarse leaf]

yeah I find it much better to just give a dash in the first moments because its such a famous game mechanic that any og gamer would press shift to try to dash.

[cerulean sable]

i personally would like if we get sprint first, some people disagree but i dont think it should be given at your face like, 2 minutes into the game

[coarse leaf]

I find hollow knight fun but lacking when it comes to combat, this is a personal opinion so don't think its objective that I come to games for combat and challenge.

[cerulean sable]

if isnt, gapwise i think it would be great if it was like

Start -- Silk Spear --- Sprint ------ Other Abilities ---------- Other Abilities --------- Other Abilities

kinda like a log function?

dmc5

[coarse leaf]

I think its more like a reverse log function,
start -- silk spear ------------ sprint ----------- other abilities ------- Other Abilities ------ Other Abilities ---- Other Abilities --- Other Abilities

[cerulean sable]

isnt that like more of an inverse exponential function

[coarse leaf]

though in hk its much more equalized, its almost at a steady pace.

[cerulean sable]

no wait wrong inverse exponential would suggest the opposite my bad

yeahhh

i guess HK is a lot more like a constant function

or at least close to it

[coarse leaf]

almost like a vector

[cerulean sable]

for me at least, felt like the abilities where evenly spaced for my first playthrough

ofc that could easily change with map knowledge

but yeah i think theyll give silk spear at least after moss mom then sprint a bit after

[coarse leaf]

yep, I think it was intentional by team cherry to make it evenly spaced

[cerulean sable]

IF Deep Docks is the 2nd area (ofc this doesnt account if the areas are relatively the same size as it was in HK, and mostly likely it isnt) then well most likely get sprint probably within 30-50 mins, cuz personally it felt like i only got Dash by like 1.5 to 2 hours average considering you get it at like 3/4ths into Greenpath's early explorable area

But my other theory is we get sprint first, go around, then we need to find Silk Spear to tear apart the debri stopping our path (iirc thats how silk spear is essential to area progression, according to the magazine)

[coarse leaf]

speaking of sprint, how do you think hornet will obtain it,
does she just meditate and remembers the sprint button?

[agile kelp]

Theres a slim chance we may already have sprint since it says hornet has lost her traditional power, not that she never had it in the first place. I think silk needle may come after moss mom as well but I have a feeling an area like deep docks could possibly come relatively early but definitely a bit later in the game, say 1 hour or so since you can possibly collect tools and there could potentially be multiple people like forge daughter

[cerulean sable]

they did say her strengthed is sapped

[nimble radish]

drinks a coca cola and suddenly she has the ability to run

[agile kelp]

Maybe, or she remembers how to walk instead

[coarse leaf]

this is what it feels when you chew five gum

[agile kelp]

Or just run faster

[cerulean sable]

so its 2 way for me, either
A. "Hornet you lazy bitch, medidate to the Great Weaver's™️ and attain true focus so that you main regain your power to sprint"

B. "Lmao dumbass you broke ur legs, dont worry ill heal you (your insurance doesnt cover this btw)" after waking up from the Churchkeeper

[agile kelp]

I think its option B

[cerulean sable]

imo its a combination of both

her strength is sapped, but the Churchkeeper helps her recover it after Moss Mom

[agile kelp]

Maybe we need to get a mossberry or something to fix our legs

[cerulean sable]

hell ill even go further and suggest that the Churchkeeper is the one who saved Hornet out of a "you owe me" clause at the very least

[coarse leaf]

you broke your legs idot now meditate to the Great Weaver's TM to restore them also your insurance has expired.

[cerulean sable]

well see

Weavers is just a giant insurance fraud company

[coarse leaf]

lmao

[agile kelp]

So thats why all the weavers are gone and there are only remains of their company

[cerulean sable]

but for real, my own theory is that Churchkeeper is one of the few ones that can control the butterflies, and it wasnt Lace that did it

[agile kelp]

Maybe they were replaced by a bell manufacturer

[cerulean sable]

they wouldnt be able to cover home insurance after what happened to Hallownest

anyway, my only hope is that the ledge climb, albeit small if you look at it, greatly helps environmental interactivity which would probably eliminate the people saying early game feels too slow

at least, intially, i know a lot of people who dropped HK before they got wall climb

[agile kelp]

Some had originally immigrated to hallownest perhaps to escape court but the hallownest had already collapsed and so did their new fraud insurance company

[cerulean sable]

PK wasted all of it on buzzsaws

[coarse leaf]

the buzzsaws made them bankrupped.

[agile kelp]

Yep, ss is gonna be a bit faster seeing hornets gameplay

[coarse leaf]

from all the players who paid for insurance and died lmao

[agile kelp]

Its why the tax was so high, just putting geo would cost you more than a thousand geo

[cerulean sable]

also sprint as a package looks way cooler than dash did

[coarse leaf]

the fountain in the ancient basin is just a scam tech company.
they fixed your hearts but for 3000 geo

[agile kelp]

Yep, I think pk used to run a scam tech company and then blew everything on buzzsaws and drove his kingdom to doom when he couldn't pay radience to leave

[cerulean sable]

HK at like 2-3 hours average i think would yield you at

• Pogo
• Dash
• Wall Climb

SS (if sprint is an indicator or given early) would yield you at about

• Ledge Climb
• Diagonal Pogo (looks cooler and feels more natural to chain)
• Long Jump
• Fast (but short burst) dashes that transitions to sprint but can still be spammed
• Sprint running
• Air dash that curves
• Sprint stab that transitions to pogo

[agile kelp]

Even the scam tech company couldn't get rid of the orange rad virus

[cerulean sable]

i honestly like the way it worked in the demo, the dashes are faster cooldown but their range is like half of the OG dash, because its main purpose now is to give you a short speed burst before you transition to sprint

but that also means its easier to spam dash if you wanna close in small gaps

[coarse leaf]

• Air dash that curves
  thats gonna feel so much more natural then hk because she has gravity OwO

[cerulean sable]

unlike in HK, where your set dash distance means its very easy to crash face first if youre too close so you have to account for the length if you wanna dash in and be aggresrsive

yeah

it will take some time to get used to but honestly the complaints that "SS is looking too complicated" would probably disappear once you develop muscle memory

[agile kelp]

Just sprint makes hornet go crazy fast, I think hornets design is going to trick you into getting an extremely aggressive playstyle

[coarse leaf]

"SS is looking too complicated" thats the best part about the game honestly, what was lacking for me at least in hk is combat complexity

[cerulean sable]

its not like you have to account for damage types, status effects, etc that makes it complicated

i think it was more about control wise

rather than the idea of combat being more complex

what people fear IIRC is that therell be so much actions that itll make the controls confusing

which honestly i dont think its gonna be a case once you learn your muscle memory

[coarse leaf]

well, more control means more complex moves, but I get what you are getting at, hk didn't have much control really the dash was way too linear and the soul ablities just made the knight float

[stray cliff]

hollow knight had bare bones metroidvania tools like double jump and wall climb but it makes use of it so well, like how you can pogo on enemies to reset double jump and dash it feels really dynamic

[cerulean sable]

youll eventually reach the point where you just know, like if you told me to recite the keyboard on each letter by sequence, id probably fuck up

but i can still type fast enough because ive memorized the muscle memory per key, but i didnt memorize the keys themselves

[agile kelp]

Yep, and there seem to be tool slots and a beginner one could be only 3 slots so you could potentially control the complexity of hornets playstyle

[coarse leaf]

thats where the introduction needs to come into play correctly, what we talked about all the tutorials and learning curves.

[cerulean sable]

yup, i dont expect TC to dump every movement at you anyway

[cerulean sable]

for real the dash reset on pogo is one of their best ideas ever personally

it just makes you keep going but unfortunately some areas are spaced that you cant chain it that well

thats why im excited with the needle grappling

[agile kelp]

If ss is going to start in moss grotto i think moss grotto won't have any difficult platforming and you can get reckless without having to worry since its a beginner area

[rancid crow]

write down what im talking

[coarse leaf]

yooo the needle grappling sounds so cool, ever since I learned about hooks in terraria every time I hear about grappling I get excited

[coarse leaf]

you are correct here

[rancid crow]

it will launch february first or january second

[cerulean sable]

i feel like grappling will replace cdash

[agile kelp]

Stop giving hope

[cerulean sable]

as the horizontal traversal tool

one thing i really like about it is you can actually use it more effectively in combat AND it doesnt have the slowness of Cdash to it

my experience in cdash is, charge up, let go, then crash into uneven terrain 2 seconds later

[agile kelp]

Hey what if we can do the string needle move in different directions?

[cerulean sable]

thats what we dont know

[burnt topaz]

The downside is that it uses silk

[rancid crow]

it was in geforce nvidia supported games list of 2022 launching games

[cerulean sable]

well the theory is that SS wont have a double jump

[agile kelp]

What, well in that case we should expect extremely late 2022

[coarse leaf]

I think grappling might be more like crystal dash in hk

[cerulean sable]

and having a the needle go upwards means could break progression verticalwise

[coarse leaf]

but it would be cool if you can control the direction

[cerulean sable]

i dont think Nvidia has the grounds to know whether a small ass indie game is releasing next year

or at least, the need to know it

[coarse leaf]

nvidia has a lot of power in thier hands if they wanted to they could easly get news about hk

[agile kelp]

Its either because they paid attention to the hype or its something else that brought it to their attention but I don't think nvidia would know

[agile kelp]

Not sure if they'd have a need to do so either unless they're trying to attract attention

[burnt topaz]

Maybe it's more like Nintendos 'coming soon'

[cerulean sable]

the fact that it probably wont suffer the same issues as the ones above makes it already better
SS would end up having shit where:
you sprint, sprint stab someone, air dash, grappling someone from mid air, use them as a speed boost, pogo someone else, dash mid air, then keep sprinting

that keeps the flow going

Cdash just tells you to stop and charge, then immediately ruins it because TC added uneven terrain for your face to crash in, theres a some cases where i wouldnt bother cdashing because spam dashing wouldve probably been faster unless the area is open enough

[rancid crow]

its nothing confirmed but a estimative

[coarse leaf]

Ight, I'mma head out its been fantastic talking with yall.

[cerulean sable]

exactly

see you

[coarse leaf]

[cerulean sable]

people kept egging that Nintendo knows and shit

they probably just assumed

and some games in that list were also defunct, ie TitanFall 3 was listed but that shit was abandoned and cancelled at around 2018 because they deemed the graphics werent good enough or something like that (they reached the Source Engine's limit graphically wise iirc)

it eventually ended up being refurbished into Apex Legends

[burnt topaz]

Where can I find the whole Nvidia list

[cerulean sable]

https://gist.github.com/xPaw/6a42aafd3c9d19b3ceab2e90b5a37cd2

[burnt topaz]

Thanks

[cerulean sable]

its not even in the list

[agile kelp]

Then whats with the random dude barging in with hype and a release dat for ss

[burnt topaz]

Different day same shit

[agile kelp]

I only see 2 sections with GAME and named as S

[cerulean sable]

even if it was, you think people wouldnt expect the same thing even after that Nintendo Fiscal year shite from last time

[agile kelp]

Why did Nintendo even add that coming soon

Why, just why

W h y

[burnt topaz]

Should've been TBD ig

[cerulean sable]

because it was a way of saying "this game will eventually arrive to our system"
people were naive enough to think it was some kind of timeframe to justify their expectations

when i saw it i already knew it was analogous to TBA or "when its fucking done, we dont know when, but it will come to our system"

[agile kelp]

Eh, still they shouldn't have added soon though, Nintendo should've known they would've been raising expectations

[cerulean sable]

but no, lets have convos that last for weeks explaining why Soon apparently means 6 months, or 1 year, or 1 year and 6 months etc

because thats what this server did for the past 3 years ive been in it

its not their fault that fans are so desperate that their justification of why it should be out has always been "It looks finished already!"

people cant take a hint

[agile kelp]

Yeah true, I mean considering that ss is probably gonna be twice as refined and big as hk you can't really make such a game in the short span of what would have been 2 years, it would've become the next cyberpunk then

Also there's the pandemic which would have greatly impacted the team

But I'm not sure

[rancid crow]

ok srry

[agile kelp]

Its fine we all make mistakes and get over excited sometimes

[pastel silo]

why do you justify the nintendo's "coming soon" when even Leth admitted that it was a mistake

[agile kelp]

Partially Nintendos mistake and partially the fandoms mistake

[pastel silo]

no lol, how is it a fandom's mistake when they are told the game is coming soon and they expect the game to come out soon?

[native ivy]

When is silksong chapter 3 coming out

[dreamy zenith]

December

[agile kelp]

Just a cropped screenshot is enough to make the fandom go wild, some people tried to explain that when Nintendo said soon they meant as in sooner ten games that would take years to come out or providing false expectations for ss release date

[agile kelp]

December 2024 if tc is using controlled scope creep

[pastel silo]

yea you say ''some people'' now....sure there are always extreme cases within a group of people but we were talking about people being excited about the game after being told it's coming out soon which is not wrong by any means

[dreamy zenith]

in was a joke to the post above because people like to joke that delta3 comes out in December

[pastel silo]

also even the people theorizing and making too optimistic predictions is not a "mistake" on fandom's part ... it's not hurting anybody and it's an exciting thing to do when people are looking forward to something

[agile kelp]

Yeah I guess thats true, situation varies from person to person. The mistake was first made by Nintendo and even when it was obvious this wouldn't happen, as in 2 years after announcement people still said it would come soon. Again it varies from person to person and situation to situation, also hype can easily get out of hand

[agile kelp]

Oh

[cerulean sable]

lol

its not hurting anybody sure

but its frustrating to see people who keeps pushing it as justification

[dreamy zenith]

oh look we are extending the conversation on this topic further than it needs to be how suprising

[cerulean sable]

as espected tbh

inb4 ttaccco ur so negative 😎

[brittle garnet]

That was confirmed to have had a very small impact

[agile kelp]

Some people think the fandom didn't do anything, some people think Nintendo didn't do anything, some people believe both sides made mistakes and others believe they have no idea what the hell is even going on, Nintendo shouldn't have gotten the fandom hype so high and the fandom really shouldn't have made it harder to push the mistake away. This is ofcourse in my own biased explanation but still

[dreamy zenith]

i pretty much agree with that

[agile kelp]

Oh, well thats good to hear.

[cerulean sable]

Theres a level of excitement which is nice but HK's fanbase has often times started getting hostile about it

granted i dont like the very very sparse method of communication either

but its hard not to seeing fans crap on other games for not being Silksong

[dreamy zenith]

mm "silksong wait superiority complex" mm

[cerulean sable]

its been like a boring cycle of potential news, hype, silksong spamming, nothing happening, and then they vent here

everytime

[dreamy zenith]

yeah

[agile kelp]

Yep, as i think I said earlier a snippet of a screenshot can drive people wild or what I said earlier was a dream. And yes the fandom really needs to stop putting silksong in every game that is slightly similar to hk or just meteoidvanias in general. Its all good and fun joking but it can get out of hand.

[dreamy zenith]

ss-vent chat

[cerulean sable]

it reflects really badly in the community in general

reminds me of toby foxes statement on undertale

[agile kelp]

Maybe that should be a channel tho, I bet fights would occur 24/7 about ss release date

And basically stuff like this in general

[dreamy zenith]

it will be the hk-meme of ss-discussion

[cerulean sable]

eventually the fanbase got huge enough that people started calling you out for not having played a masterpiece like undertale

which caused a counter rebuttal of people starting to hate the game and the fanbase out of whim

[burnt topaz]

Well there was an indie world thread when indie world happened, so most indie world stuff stayed contained which was nice

[cerulean sable]

there was but people still kept using this chat anyway

[dreamy zenith]

deltarune fanbase seems a lot more.. healthy? than undertales was, at least for now

[cerulean sable]

its definitely way way more chill compared to the last one

[agile kelp]

Yrp, but undertales community is gigantic and had a bunch of aus and stuff, undertale makes more than 10 percent of fan made content for games and when you take how big the internet is into consideration that is terrifying

[dreamy zenith]

again, cringe flow means most of the most.. agressive? undertale fans eventually moved on into other stuff by now

[cerulean sable]

it passes by

HK never really got too big and i think its because of the barrier of entry in general

[agile kelp]

Yep

[cerulean sable]

went from FNAF and now Friday Night Funkin

[dreamy zenith]

eventually deltarune will go into its waiting period and it'll all die down again, and up again, like a sine wave. Unlike untertale which went like a reverse 2008 financial crisis

[burnt topaz]

Accessability does seem to play a part in these larger fandoms

[agile kelp]

From fnaf to fnf, soon its going to go to ff and then just f

[cerulean sable]

also afaik Undertale does a lot of meme refs so that tends to attract them

but yeah going back, HK still has a side of being hostile

im just kinda sick of people venting here how much TCs is gonna lose customer here every direct

last few times that happened, i woke up and there was still people arguing

[glacial hemlock]

yeah, who's not going to get silksong just because it took a long ass time lol

[agile kelp]

But still comparatively better then fandoms infamous for being toxic, also they exaggerate hk fabdoms toxic side as being the whole community

[dreamy zenith]

Loudest most seen

[cerulean sable]

our toxic side usually comes from either the git gud section or the people who got too emotionally invested it in that having any criticisms to the game is an insult to them (which is a standard in most fandoms)

[agile kelp]

As long as its not as bad as gacha life fandom I'm good

[dreamy zenith]

menthol and capsaicin

not hot water and cold water

do not mix git gud and emotional investment

[coarse leaf]

Although the git gud/elitism side is in any game that's like, hard tho.some people just need to feel superior

[cerulean sable]

there has been sentiments about SS being announced too early, and the arguement that "It was needed because it was promised as a small DLC" doesnt count because they couldve just made a soft announcement that "its a big game now wooo" instead of a trailer
that way no hype wouldve been generated

[burnt topaz]

Git gud and emotional investment leads to gatekeeping

[dreamy zenith]

indeed

[agile kelp]

I mean it makes sense rto give a game trailer for the game your making but maybe they should alert the fandom ss is becoming a game now? Or atleast a heads up before the fandom goes wild with the sudden announcement of a gigantic game thats people think is going to be bigger and better than hk

[cerulean sable]

the idea is that

instead of

HERES A TRAILER SEE THE GAME LOOKS ALREADY FINSIHED

they were arguing TC shouldve just made a small
"Hey guys the Hornet DLC is now an entire new game" announcement

that way zero hype

or some shit

[dreamy zenith]

Treat the silksong trailer as if it is 3 minutes of finished gameplay

[cerulean sable]

ive long accepted the SS trailer is more of a proof of concept thing

[burnt topaz]

Oh no fearless fox is next

[copper knot]

fart farter

[burnt topaz]

Thank you aki

[copper knot]

[dreamy zenith]

I would guess that we get news around: new years day, valentine's day, e3

but thats just a guess, we can't know

but its a good time to wait for

[agile kelp]

We reeaally should've assumed ss trailer as a trailer for a small game or some basic parts rather then an almost finished game seeing as we don't have a trailer showing a bunch of gameplay or things to get extremely excited about, only that ss is eventually coming

[dreamy zenith]

yeah

[copper knot]

what the fuck we talkin bout rn

potassium

[cerulean sable]

bruh literally just read above

[opaque sigil]

But TC wants hype, getting people excited is the whole point of marketing

[dreamy zenith]

Kris get the banana

[cerulean sable]

hey dont ask me

ask that guy

[agile kelp]

Ss fandom, Nintendo trailer shite that happened, hype and more blocked by gigantic walls of text you must read

[cerulean sable]

also said he hates companies that makes yo uexpect to release, and that even if SS blows it it would have a negative impact to his opinion on TC forever

also said he wont be surprised if SS doesnt see the light of the day anymore

[copper knot]

who

[marsh ibex]

finally ttacco has admitted they’re a beta

[cerulean sable]

some guy whos pissed with the lack of communication and thinks SS will most likely never release at this point because they hyped it too early

you

[marsh ibex]

a beta person than me

gotteem

[cerulean sable]

🚟

[marsh ibex]

why you say sus

[dreamy zenith]

what has this came to

[marsh ibex]

successfully trolled

[cerulean sable]

joker doing a modest amount of trolling

also to paraphrase

[copper knot]

people seriously need to give TC a break smh like seriously though
it must have been soo overwhelming to have a game as big and hyped as silksong

[agile kelp]

Furry catboy sans or someone else?

[dreamy zenith]

🐙 goodbye chat

[cerulean sable]

I said this once and got hate for it, but announcing a hyped game waaaaaaaay before you even have a small inkling of when it is released will create a hype train that inevitably leads to disappointment. TC is digging their grave every day with their silence. Either the game is stuck in dev hell, or they are struggling implementing concepts that they showed off at Nintendo tree house into the rest of the game or whatever. Someone said "they had to announce it because silksong was supposed to be an expansion" bit I disagree. They could have said silksong is becoming a game we will have more information soon when we are closer to release. NEVER announce a game that is beyond 2 years before release and preferably 1 year. Hype trains always exceed what is actually produced.

I will buy silksong, but my expectations actually get lower every time I think about it. They could blow my pants off, but I do grow some disdain towards any company that announces game before they even have a real concept of release date. This was prevalent in the early 2000s, but I was hoping everyone had matured from it. Many games have been announced and hyped and then discontinued. I feel there is a real possibility silksong will not happen at all at this point.

[burnt topaz]

🐙 goodbye

[cerulean sable]

the average SS discussion after every direct 😎

[marsh ibex]

Oh god

The copypasta

also how would it be stuck in dev hell

They have no higher ups

[cerulean sable]

i guess they have a point

[marsh ibex]

and yeah, they should be more transparent

[cerulean sable]

TC has probably blown their budget and is living the rest of their lives on Yachts

[marsh ibex]

but my god, every time someone wants news to the degree of “we’re still alive” i kinda groan?

[sweet lotus]

For a moment I thought it was sincere

[copper knot]

in conclusion: i hate fanbases

[cerulean sable]

oh no it is sincere

[agile kelp]

They said they were using controlled scope creep, I think the base concept of the basic core game is done and now they're just making everything and running with the story

[copper knot]

and thats ironic coming from furry catboy sans

[cerulean sable]

honestly hard to say either

at this point its personally really hard to gauge their progress

weve been through "game looks polished already" to "they have 150 enemies so they must be done" etc

[opaque sigil]

But, like, who cares

It really doesn't matter that much when it comes out or how long it takes

[copper knot]

i think they just purposefully hate the spotlight, which is.. yeah i get it

[agile kelp]

They're not done and definitely won't be soon, but tc really should be more careful when giving out news and how they present it

[pallid flare]

nice text. ||too bad i'm not reading that||

[agile kelp]

You should see the stuff above

[cerulean sable]

but tc really should be more careful when giving out news and how they present it
why do you think they havent released anything, according to leth

[copper knot]

nice argument
unfortunately
your mom

[cerulean sable]

leth already mentioned that theyre also scared that the waits been long enough to the point that if what they release isnt big, it would piss people off

its a mix bag honestly

[agile kelp]

No I meant careful as in how they handle the fandom, they shouldn't have released an entire trailer and make the game look as if its done but they shouldn't completely vanish from the internet either

[cerulean sable]

i think its for the best they just shut themselves in

[opaque sigil]

I mean no matter what there are gonna be some angry people

[cerulean sable]

thats a given

[copper knot]

to be fair, there were silksong backers

[opaque sigil]

A trailer doesn't suggest that the game is near completion, it's just a trailer

[copper knot]

they dont want it to seem like they scammed silksong backers

[proud vale]

Yeah apparently the game has actively changed in size based on the gauging of fan expectations

[cerulean sable]

honestly i wanted the trailer just to hype and show you to tell you that the shit theyre making is fucking huge

at the end of the day marketing is still good

the fact that people are still talking about Silksong despite shutting themselves up is a VERY good thing

[pallid flare]

people would still complain if the trailer was dropped a year ago

[agile kelp]

Still, maybe make it a bit smaller like a,"hey we turned the dlc into a game so we're working on that now"

[cerulean sable]

that means you know people are really invested to your stuff

[burnt topaz]

The MO and expectations for reveal trailers are like a minute of just cutscenes now, which kinda sucks but whatever

[opaque sigil]

That's not really a great way to garner attention for your game, though.

[copper knot]

i mean they never said the game was near completion, no? hell there were BUGS in the trailer

[nimble radish]

really funny joke incoming

[pallid flare]

haha i am going to make the bug joke

[proud vale]

Yeah I’m sure to make a game as big and nuanced as hk twice would be quite hard

[agile kelp]

Why do I always laugh at such jokes

[copper knot]

pyro im going to fucking go to your house and shit on your toilets

[pallid flare]

but why

[cerulean sable]

they dont have a budget problem but on top of that theyre also met with rising expectations

the less shit they talk the less expectations that can generate overall

[copper knot]

because yes

[cerulean sable]

nothing is lamer than HEY WE HAVE THIS NEW COOL FEATURE then suddenly

"oh its cut sorry about that :/"

[opaque sigil]

godmaster

[cerulean sable]

ehem

[pallid flare]

no mans sky

[cerulean sable]

GLORIFIED CHARMS

[marsh ibex]

speaking about that trailer

[cerulean sable]

ehem

[marsh ibex]

we’ve combed over it so much that we realized it has this weird purple filter/color at some parts

[agile kelp]

I wish those existed

[copper knot]

zote charm

[cerulean sable]

yeah and quick slash wouldve gotten a tier above S+++

[agile kelp]

It does?

[agile kelp]

It would put wayward compass to shame

[copper knot]

amogus charm

[marsh ibex]

yeah there’s this one part where we see the seal on the bell

[cerulean sable]

honestly hope they drop the tool upgrades thats just straight DPS boost

[marsh ibex]

and it’s like purple

[pallid flare]

puke bug has some heavy lore implications now

[copper knot]

shit bug

[burnt topaz]

Ogrim

[agile kelp]

Puke bug is god and we will be fighting God

[nimble radish]

pukebug puked on the camera man

[copper knot]

we got puke bug
we got shit bug
now its time for
piss bug

i should have not said that whilst eating :(

[burnt topaz]

That's why the camera is further back in silksong and not because hornet is large

[pallid flare]

the cameraman is trying to get away

[burnt topaz]

Silksong blind mode, the cameraman has got away

[pallid flare]

silkseeker, hornet is looking for him

[agile kelp]

Replace cameraman with another one from the abyss

[burnt topaz]

Yes perfect, I'm off now

[cerulean sable]

why are you like this

[copper knot]

we are fatherless leave us alone

[agile kelp]

Behold:ss discussion chat

[pallid flare]

what do you mean? this is normal

[cerulean sable]

youve all lost it

[agile kelp]

We lost it a long time ago

[copper knot]

i forgor

[pallid flare]

this isn't the worst we have been

[proud vale]

It’s been theorised that puke bug could have a mini boss as a dad

[agile kelp]

I haven't even been in the discord for that long and I feel as if I've seen the worst of the worst

[agile kelp]

Puke dad, pukes puke bugs

[coarse leaf]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8VbUB-i3NU&t=157s||

[dreamy zenith]

Spoilers no out

[pallid flare]

yeah spoilers

[copper knot]

i do not wanna hear the word big shot anymore

[agile kelp]

Like zote and hive knight

[pallid flare]

not everyone got to that part

though that track is a certified banger

[dreamy zenith]

yep

[coarse leaf]

although this is not a spolier, its just a theme called big shot really

[dreamy zenith]

theme too good

[coarse leaf]

yes

[pallid flare]

it just released

[coarse leaf]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3EXwnoliyw||
i really liked this one though

[pallid flare]

so you probably want to treat everything as a spoiler

[dreamy zenith]

nice songs

[coarse leaf]

well some names for songs are spoilers but not big shot

[pallid flare]

some people don't want to see anything prior to playing it

[dreamy zenith]

||bigshot is a spoiler because it implies sampton has a second fight which is a secret||

[coarse leaf]

||I already made it supressed||

[dreamy zenith]

cool

[pallid flare]

it's alright now

[dreamy zenith]

[coarse leaf]

||he only says big shot when the other bossfight occurs though||

[dreamy zenith]

nope

[pallid flare]

I still gotta fight ||the superboss||

[dreamy zenith]

"||don't you wanna be a big shot?||"

[coarse leaf]

||I don't wanna go genocide to fight it so gonna go to trash zone and get the key||

[pallid flare]

||genocide got the lore tho||

[coarse leaf]

dude in my entire playthrough, i searched for gaster secrets

[dreamy zenith]

There is a couple

[coarse leaf]

yeah, its kinda hard to find em though

[dreamy zenith]

like very obvious ones

[coarse leaf]

personally i didn't find any

||the door outside of school does not say a lot other then people are afraid to go there||

[dreamy zenith]

darker yet darker references, gaster followers, and ||apparently he appears in the flesh somewhere||

[coarse leaf]

||the tree?||

[dreamy zenith]

well, kinda

yeah the tree

[coarse leaf]

egg

[dreamy zenith]

egg?!?!!!!!

[coarse leaf]

egg????????????!!!?? thats a spiler!

egg🗿

[dreamy zenith]

🥚

[coarse leaf]

🗿

ss discussion is officially an emote spam channel

dont

[cerulean sable]

uhuh

[coarse leaf]

can you do this?

[pallid flare]

I can not :(

[coarse leaf]

rip

no I cant
I dont have nitro sadge

[charred pulsar]

[pallid flare]

thanks simo

[agile kelp]

I wish I had nitro

[coarse leaf]

[pallid flare]

can you send a https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/857143816883404800.gif?size=64 in #nitro-boosters

mmm gif

[cerulean sable]

wish they wont do an unsynced multi fight like watchers

or the very least i dont have to die to offscreen rolls

[agile kelp]

Yep

[coarse leaf]

rolls

[agile kelp]

Also I think some lore questions in silksong could potentially be answered thanks to hk, maybe maybe not idk

Stop rolling

[cerulean sable]

as long as its not shorehorned its fine

[agile kelp]

[coarse leaf]

our roll is eternal

[cerulean sable]

if some bs like "oh the flow of time in hallolwnest is convoluted" to justify that Pharloom is actually on top of Dirtmouth or some shit

[glacial hemlock]

I think lifeblood will be one of them

[opaque sigil]

I mean questions of her heritage would be, but probably not much else

[glacial hemlock]

given it's one of the things carried over

[cerulean sable]

grimm reappearance

[agile kelp]

Yeah hopefully not anything like that, I was hoping something like,"how far is the reach of lifeblood cocoons" or, "what would another kingdom potentially not ruled mainly by a wyrm" and stuff like that

[cerulean sable]

uhuh

[agile kelp]

Queen of battle reminds me of Grimm for some reason

[cerulean sable]

who tf is queen of battle

[opaque sigil]

Queen of battle?

[agile kelp]

I forgot her name

[opaque sigil]

There's nobody with that description

[agile kelp]

What was it uh let me google

[cerulean sable]

i think its a metaphor

[opaque sigil]

There's Hunter Queen Carmelita

[agile kelp]

Idk i saw it in a website or something??

[cerulean sable]

of how silksong should have more like souls like boss titles like

[agile kelp]

YES

[opaque sigil]

She's red and dancy

[marsh ibex]

mfw the red reminds you of grimm

[agile kelp]

Reminds me of Grimm exactly

[cerulean sable]

Hunter Queen Carmelita, Empress of the Everlasting Scion of the Old Ants

also they die after like 7 hits

i will give blasphemous a pass because it does sound very roman catholic but ONLY blasphemous

[agile kelp]

Quite an everlasting species

[cerulean sable]

am i wrong

they all sound like MMO names

Darksteel, Beast of the Wretched Dark Ocean

or something like that

i blame Dark Souls for boss names like that

[agile kelp]

I haven't played darksouls all i know is that it exists and that it has a dragon in it

But from what you say I guess it sounds very dark souls like

[cerulean sable]

a lot of 2d soulslike followed that format

[agile kelp]

I guess

I've heard people say hk is like bug darksouls and that darksouls is like human hk

[opaque sigil]

Why, because they both have currency drop on death

[olive bobcat]

Hollow Knight is the Hollow Knight of HK-likes

[lime dome]

you're right, and silksong gonna be HK but Hornet

[fleet temple]

hollow knight is hard so It's copying dark souls

[olive bobcat]

Yeah

SS is copying HK just like how Deltarune chapter 2 copied Deltarune chapter 1

[opaque sigil]

smh zero originality

[cerulean sable]

tbf people are already comparing it to Bloodborne (fast paced combat) and Sekiro (rosary beads and also fast paced combat)

[fleet temple]

deltarune chapter 2 copied the deltarune chapter 2 sneak peeks

[opaque sigil]

Because ofc all fast paced games are the same

[fiery coral]

of course

[cerulean sable]

as much as we want it i dont think HK will ever escape being associated to DS at this point

[opaque sigil]

Probably not

[fleet temple]

any hard game must be compared to dark souls, It's the law

[fleet temple]

yeah, I don't get it, the game came out YEARS after that console released

[copper knot]

mogous

mogus

[opaque sigil]

I mean really it's just a thing people say that, at this point, means nothing. It isn't supposed to be an insightful analysis and comparison of a game, it's just... blah

[copper knot]

at this point you cant make a game without it being compared to something else

[opaque sigil]

I mean you probably could, it just would have to be really out there in terms of originality...

Like Outer Wilds

[copper knot]

outer wilds is an among us copy
because space

[trim estuary]

Why is it being compared to the DS what
Oh dark souls not the Nintendo DS

[copper knot]

at this point there is no game that came out after 2000s that isnt compared to something else

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's one thing to compare games, it's another to describe one in terms of another

ie there's a difference between saying "HK is the dark souls of metroidvanias" and "HK shares the currency mechanics of dark souls"

[waxen drift]

ok so i’m asking this question bc it’s an emergency

i’m losing my mind

ANY SILKSONG UPDATES OR NEWS OR GUESSES ON RELEASE DATE?

[agile kelp]

No. Just be patient and wait sheesh

[waxen drift]

bro i’m losing it

[trim estuary]

Hold onto it

[agile kelp]

You waited 3 years you can wait 3 more

[trim estuary]

Don’t let go

[waxen drift]

good idea

[waxen drift]

n o

[agile kelp]

Get obsessed with another game like Night in the woods or outerwilds or omori, or just forget it even existed

[trim estuary]

Play deltarune

[opaque sigil]

Hades is a ton of fun

[agile kelp]

Play minion rush

[tacit pivot]

play tails of iron

[agile kelp]

Or ugly Jesus vs mummy, its I arguably better than hollowknight or silksong could even hope to be. It was made by team cherry as well

[pliant jackal]

I think it would be nice if there was #news channel in the discord server, then people would not have to try and find them here.

Maybe anything official will be made as announcements, but still.

[true kelp]

If SS got a release date, it would be put in announcements for sure

[trim estuary]

#hk-announcements

[waxen drift]

yo unholy i remember you ik u don’t remember me

[pliant jackal]

But announcements is still not the same.

[waxen drift]

ur mega active aren’t you

[trim estuary]

Yeah

Announcements are news

[pliant jackal]

It has everything, not just SS news.

but yeah, I suppose it would not have too much use anyways, now that I think about it.

[opaque sigil]

And? It still has SS news

[charred pulsar]

We try to keep #hk-announcements for TC/game news, and not other or server news

[opaque sigil]

It just seems redundant to have a channel specifically for that

[marsh ibex]

it’s just for hk related announcements

Silksong is HK related

[charred pulsar]

Only HK, SS or TC really

[marsh ibex]

ok simon belmont

[worthy lichen]

what news

[charred pulsar]

Im. Not. Simon.

[pliant jackal]

Yeah, I suppose its would just make it more of a hazzle to manage such channel.

Specially when the announcement barely has any SS related stuff under patch notes and other stuff.

but yeah, was just thinking it as fast way to find any SS related news in general instead of asking it from here, since its what happens 90% of the time I check out this channel.

[opaque sigil]

I mean looking at announcements and scrolling up a bit doesn't take that much effort

[pliant jackal]

Well, now its almost all just clutter of patch notes and such, I suppose it is announcement in itself, and as I said not much to find there, but I do get your point there.

[wanton barn]

I am rotting

[pliant jackal]

Its not much of a work, but people still ask for the news here.

Just a thought tho, not trying to make an argument out of it.

and as I said, with the current amount of news we are getting on SS it would be pretty pointless. Just some place to check every now and then.

Might as well wait for the real announcement as it eventually arrives.

[marsh ibex]

when people ask for news

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[agile kelp]

Everyones brain is rotting waiting for silksong so instead if checking hk announcements they ask sspsa or they just ask for ss news from the ss chat

[true kelp]

Used to be

I don’t really play HK anymore

I’m considering going back though. Just maybe

[opaque sigil]

What's really amusing is when people ask for theories, ie wild guesses, as though those hold any significance at all

[lapis pivot]

how long has it been..?

i can no longer remember...

[opaque sigil]

2.5 years

[agile kelp]

3 years, check the silksong daily news channel

Or atleast 2 and a half

[opaque sigil]

Like 2 years and 7 months

[agile kelp]

Yep

When hks next anniversary?

[trim estuary]

June 12th??

[agile kelp]

Ooh thnx

[trim estuary]

No it was February 24th I think

[opaque sigil]

June 12 was the switch date iirc

[agile kelp]

Oh

[languid linden]

Gruzzer Ice cream too

[bleak scarab]

Gruzzer cheese

[agile kelp]

Gruzzer milksong

Or just gruzzersong i guess

[pallid flare]

fordo do be replying to a message sent 12 hours ago

[agile kelp]

Yeah but gruzzer icecream was too important to miss out on even if the message was sent 12 hours or 1 year ago

[night hull]

February 12th was the first announcment

[agile kelp]

So I guess feb 12th or 24th either one

[night hull]

24 is hk realese date

They like february

[agile kelp]

24th it is

[night hull]

Oh i thought you were talking about ss bc its hkss

[trim estuary]

We need to start calling hollow knight 1 voidheart

[night hull]

Yes

Hkv

[trim estuary]

HKVH and HKSS

[night hull]

Yes

Actually no

It should be called HKLB

Lifeblood dlc

[agile kelp]

How about h

[rigid bramble]

hollow

[agile kelp]

Just h

[agile kelp]

Yes

[night hull]

S

Silk

[long comet]

Potassium

[trim estuary]

[quaint idol]

Potassium

[hollow smelt]

!sspsa

Was that not it

Well #hk-announcements

Also yooooo it's the escapist indie event

Soon atleast or already happened

[pallid flare]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pallid flare]

that's how it works

[hollow smelt]

Thanks pyro

[cerulean sable]

we live in the era

where indie events needs to mention ahead that SS is not part of their games

[night hull]

We live in ssociety

[glossy gazelle]

Desperation is a hell of a drug

[opaque sigil]

Or get swarmed with astonishingly negative people

[opaque sigil]

"Desperation" implies some sort of urgent necessity, really this is just impatience

[marsh ibex]

It’s urgent to them

[long comet]

Silksong is an urgent necessity

[opaque sigil]

But it is objectively not a necessity

[copper knot]

if no silksong i uhhh
fart

[glossy gazelle]

It is also impatience no doubt, but when you are so pushy, you start affecting indie events specifically to say that there’s no Silksong here, I’m pretty sure that’s desperation

[copper knot]

i miss when the hk community werent this desperate

[ripe kettle]

don't we all

[agile kelp]

I wasn't lucky enough to see it when it wasn't desperate

[marsh ibex]

Used to be more chill

tbf the desperation is a little more valid since this is the longest w/out any form of news

[opaque sigil]

Probably not for very long

It has been equivalent even when that wasn't the case

[copper knot]

ive been here for over a year

damn time flies by fast

[rancid crow]

yeah me too

[glossy gazelle]

Same

[agile kelp]

I joined in the beginning of September

I've been in the discord hk community for say 11 days i think

[glossy gazelle]

I joined the summer of the Riddles

I also used to be a regular until I took a life to the knee

[copper knot]

my oldest message was sent on may 17th 2020

[ember geode]

indie event mentions no silksong ahead of time
loses a ton fuck of future viewers

[rancid crow]

how do i see mine?

[opaque sigil]

They also don't get swarmed by people complaining about its absence and generally decreasing the quality of the event

[rancid crow]

ok thx

[ember geode]

Wait people actually complain about ss not being in an indie event?

[opaque sigil]

Big time

[slow heart]

You have no idea.

[ember geode]

I thought we got used to it

[opaque sigil]

Chats are basically just "why no SS" and "trash game"

[pallid flare]

haha no

[ember geode]

Yeah I’ve never seen an indie event to be fair

[slow heart]

If you do a bit of searching you could find some videos of it.

[midnight radish]

I only just joined this community and I’m already thirsting for silksong news, though that’s all on me and my own impatience lol

[tall hinge]

[opaque sigil]

I mean if you just joined there's a lot of stuff to look through

[pallid flare]

omg pitta

[ember geode]

hi pitta

[tall hinge]

[tall hinge]

[midnight radish]

Bold of you to assume I didn’t do all of that within 2 days of joining

[heady ridge]

It's insane in the announcements how easy you get to 2018

[opaque sigil]

You have to scroll through half of the channel but sure

[heady ridge]

You came so close to the joke

[real vector]

whats the joke

[midnight radish]

Probably that there’s so little news in general that even scrolling through half the channel is easy

[tall hinge]

[real vector]

how do I check how many people are on this server?

[tall hinge]

that was the intended joke im pretty sure

[tall hinge]

i just searched for it since its a public server

[pallid flare]

#rules-and-info

[real vector]

k thx

[sweet lotus]

the longer the wait, the more intense the orgasm of reveal is going to be

[cosmic widget]

it’ll be amazing until we wake up from the dream

[naive flax]

What is the first think you do after hollow knight: silk song comes out?

[nimble radish]

u wot m8

[nimble radish]

quite possibly purchase it

[tall hinge]

probably wait a few weeks so most game breaking bugs are fixed

[cosmic widget]

Be in utter disbelief that it actually came out instead of content being added and polished until the end of time

[sweet lotus]

orgasm as in figuratively

[split cypress]

orgasm as in literally

[nimble radish]

no I get that, still an odd thing to say

[opaque sigil]

It's certainly a bold choice of words

[marsh ibex]

and this is why i hate moderation

[pallid flare]

then step down or something

[sweet lotus]

wait~ was that moderation-worthy?

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's questionable at best

[tall hinge]

[opaque sigil]

Ya know, since there are kids on the server

[sweet lotus]

sorry then

[cerulean sable]

we will beat you up regardless

[tall hinge]

[sweet lotus]

but yeah, imagine the collective enthusiasm when the news day finally comes

I will leave the server that day

[opaque sigil]

Depends on what it is. If it doesn't have "progress updates" (or whatever is arbitrarily defined as such) there's gonna be whining

[sweet lotus]

by news day I don't mean the next "edge article" or anything

I mean release date

[opaque sigil]

Weird way to phrase that then

[tall hinge]

the fabled news day

[sweet lotus]

nah peeps got that

[copper knot]

[chilly nexus]

This December will likely have news!

[opaque sigil]

It may have news

[chilly nexus]

either TGA or TC's own small thing, but one or the other I'm pretty confident in

there will at least be a tweet about the two magazines, EDGE and APWOT to close the year off

looks back fondly on when TC didn't know if SS would come out before or after APWOT 2

[livid oracle]

It's the year 2073, I wake up and stare at the hellscape that is the ruined city of Los Angeles. I walk over to a desk covered with a dusty sheet on it. I pull the sheet off. Underneath is a computer held together by duct tape and super glue. I blow the dust off the mouse and keyboard and boot it up. Discord opens automatically. I enter the server. "Any SS news yet?"

[sweet lotus]

.spssa

or whatever that is

[livid oracle]

!spssa

[chilly nexus]

?!/sspsa

[livid oracle]

no idea

[chilly nexus]

*_//??! ssh sudo sspsa

[warm bone]

?pizza

[opaque sigil]

[ɛsɛspiɛsəi]

[true kelp]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[warm bone]

:(

[livid oracle]

way to ruin the fun pal

[shell yacht]

man youre right, seeing 300 reflavored "is ss out yet" a day is great

[livid oracle]

Well, we could talk about tools instead...

[shell yacht]

flamethrower pot >

[brittle garnet]

just lock this channel already
end this suffering

[night hull]

?sspa

?sspsa