sk-discussion

[nimble pebble]

This

[indigo nymph]

??? isn't the character the pure hollow one

[warm bone]

#hk-lore

[indigo nymph]

gtg now byeeeee

[nimble pebble]

That's only what PK thinks, doesn't make it true

[sullen musk]

depends if we decide to be hollow, if you want to be hollow do killing myla speedrun any%

[crystal sky]

still waitinggg

one day tho one day

[silver oak]

We doing lore now? cool

[subtle echo]

We know yada yada the same thing every day on repeat radio.

This is what supporting team cherry means.

[silver oak]

I'm sure Team Cherry will speed up development so you can get the game earlier.

[crystal sky]

idc about counting days now tho itll come out when it comes out

this game is gonna be incredible tho when it finally drops

[warm bone]

just do something else in the meantime

[sullen musk]

when it comes out i will have no time for it

[subtle echo]

Revelation of the century

Can you imagine?

[serene chasm]

Day 987 of doing nothing with my life while waiting for SS

[crystal sky]

cant even imagine the hype once a release date is announced

[nimble pebble]

4 days until my birthday

[warm bone]

niether can I

[crystal sky]

itll be a tidal wave of happiness

[silver oak]

Day 4000+ of doing nothing with my life

[subtle echo]

Silksong coming out.... When it comes out. Can you IMAGINE?

[silver oak]

Woah, I've never heard of a thing releasing on release before.

[warm bone]

look at what happened when elden ring's release date was revealed https://youtu.be/T2HIFemxh3s?t=7731
I am imagining this but like 100x more

[sullen musk]

i didnt even know hk came out 4 years ago i thought it was a new game and silksong still aint even out

[subtle echo]

How shocking is thaaaaaat?

[nimble pebble]

I should just create a graph for commonly asked questions for SS

[warm bone]

love that elden ring video

[serene chasm]

Is there a release date?
No.
Any news?
?sspsa
Will [insert popular character here that would make no sense being in Pharloom/SS here] be in Silksong?
No.

[warm bone]

Is there a release date?
?sspsa
Any news?
?sspsa
Will [insert popular character here that would make no sense being in Pharloom/SS here] be in Silksong?
?sspsa

[nimble pebble]

Could be part of it

[silver oak]

#sk-discussion message

[nimble pebble]

[silver oak]

This one is also pinned

[serene chasm]

mines better

[warm bone]

mines better
?sspsa

[serene chasm]

What is the meaning of life?
?sspsa

[silver oak]

mines better
wait it's not mine

[hollow terrace]

Hm

[warm bone]

[hollow terrace]

Hmmm at dyno not working and discord sending me back in time

[mortal grove]

[warm bone]

imma test the dyno

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[warm bone]

looks like it works fine

[native ivy]

Quirrel's ghost should be in silksong

[serene chasm]

Zombie Quirrel

[cerulean sable]

reading a thread about HK in R Games about it suddenly breaking its historical steam player count

as per usual its has tons of people talking about run back frustration while some of them are more on Watcher Knights

ngl WK isnt impossible but vs the combo bosses they made in the DLC, we can kinda see that Wilbo will probably focus more on a synced multi boss fight this time

ie Oro and Mato, Sisters of Battle

plus adds into the Dance style fight

[serene chasm]

I swear Im like the only person that never found the part of returning to the boss that big of an issue. I just considered it a part of the boss. Really only Hive Knight and Soul Master are annoying to get to after dying. Everyone else is pretty close.

[cerulean sable]

its a mix

some didnt mind it but its definitely vocal

[warm bone]

nobody likes long runbacks to a boss, just depends what they consider 'long'

[cerulean sable]

theres tons of "Its just frustrating to go back to the boss, because im not really practicing on them but rather its wasting my time going back to it, which is a shame because otherwise the game is beautiful, atmospheric and the core gameplay is tight"

its a split between
"its intended to make it so that you think about your actions before jumping in"
and
"its just wasting my time, instead of getting better at the boss by fighting it, im just doing monotone runbacks"

i would usually say vocal minority but its pretty prevalent from what ive noticed whenever HK gets mentioned, and even to those who liked it, granted it was more on the early bosses from what ive seen

i really think SM and ML were just bad first impressions

[serene chasm]

SM?

[cerulean sable]

Soul Master

Crystal Guardian to some extent i guess? if you died to them

[nimble pebble]

You know ngl when it came to Soul master or Watcher knights the first thought wasn't really that I had to run back but that I had to beat them I never really paid attention to the fact that dying to them begets a longer time to back to them compared ot other bosses

[serene chasm]

Yeah. I always used the return to the boss as practice. Be it getting better at air control and jumping, dodging attacks, understanding tells. I understand the frustrations, but I hope TC doesnt change it

[nimble pebble]

Crystal guardian I can agree with because the benches are too spaced out but then again who's dying to Crystal Guardian

[nimble pebble]

Same

[cerulean sable]

i personally disagree, if theres only one thing i wish they could change is a bit laxer runbacks

i dont care what they do with the difficulty, or with the exploration

but looking back (and playing DS3 right now) i personally understand where these people are coming from

[serene chasm]

As long as they dont put a checkpoint right outside a boss fight, Ill be ok with it

[nimble pebble]

But then you'll get people who complain that the runback is too close and that the bench shouldn't be 5 feet from the boss room

[cerulean sable]

i get the issue with that, with convenient benches outside indicating an obvious boss fight

like its weird lore wise which is the reason for those placements to begin with

[subtle echo]

SM particularly because the runtime to get to the boss is long. Also the second phase is crappy

[nimble pebble]

Lmao Curly literally predicted my joke

[cerulean sable]

but it wouldnt hurt for lets say, an example, is what if the elevator at SM bench would lead up to the boss fight by the soul jars

you WOULDNT see that those benches was gonna be the closest one to the boss, and it gets rid of the obvious syndrome

[nimble pebble]

The runback outside of the end of SM fight is worse than the runback to his fight imo

[cerulean sable]

at least they got you to experiment with a new toy by then

[nimble pebble]

Yeah

[subtle echo]

True. But dd is new and therefore fun.

[cerulean sable]

otherwise i still stand by my opinion that they could at least tone it down early on

i think it helps that with Broken Vessel you already have a strong horizontal movement ability to cut the walking

then again theres those stuff like Hornet 2 bench having uneven terrain which just stops your crystal dash

that was just annoying imo

honestly i just realized i barely used CDash because i know itll just get stopped by some fucking wall 2 seconds into it]

[serene chasm]

It takes like 30 seconds to get back to Hornet 2

CD was a very specific area skill. Agree that it would have been nice for it to have more use in the game

[signal crag]

Yeah, it would be amazing if all movement abilities in silksong will have a use in multiple aspects of the game, so both movement AND combat, but i wonder to what extent that will be possible.

[serene chasm]

Im not a game developer/designer, but man that sound hard to do

[chilly nexus]

thoughts on if HK had a pseudo stamina mechanic for the mantis claw like celeste's wall jump system to make a niche for crystal dash's indefinite wall hang? (and then creating use cases for a wall hang like we've seen in the metroid dread treehouse boss)

[cerulean sable]

on the otherside, i think what made those early runbacks kinda standout because

1. ngl they take sometime, and those are hard bosses, so naturally youll die often to them and that time adds up
2. by then your movement ability is just dash or claws, it still feels slow in a way compared to hornets long jump and sprint

[subtle echo]

And wings.

[warm bone]

imagine if p5 had like a 1 min walkback

[nimble pebble]

Ah yes the natural enemy of Cdash

[cerulean sable]

no thanks the screen transitions are long enough

yes yes cool start and dying animations vengefly king, can you fuck off now?

tho i can AT LEAST make use of the death animation as a time to heal

[nimble pebble]

That large fly sure is dramatic

[cerulean sable]

it really do be

again i kinda hope we get sprint early

im not saying give it on the get go within 2 minutes of the game because you dont trust your audience's attention span

but i think my first playthrough took 1-2ish hours before i even got dash

[subtle echo]

Yeah.

[cerulean sable]

and ive seen, way, way too fucking much this exact same sentiment
"I was ehhh-d with the game and lmost dropped it but pushed through it. Once i got the wall climb then i fucking fell inlove with it"

[subtle echo]

First false knight then I fought gruz mother then I wandered around aimlessly till I got vengeful and found greenpath.

Getting claw made me fall in love.

Oddly in my first playthrough I skipped lords and went to city next

Then soul sanctum for ddark

Then I got dash slash

[serene chasm]

Pretty sure I took the deepnest route my first play-through

[subtle echo]

Interesting.

[cunning geode]

🤨

alrighty then

[native ivy]

milksong

[serene chasm]

Imagine wanting to get banned

[ocean mulch]

Idk the context but yes

[cerulean sable]

pretty almost everytime i see someone talk about their opinions to HK when they say the early game feels bland

[mortal grove]

i saw hornet and i said "yeeeeeh i will love this game"

[ocean mulch]

Early game more like tutorial game amirite

[serene chasm]

I wish I could remember how I felt my first time. I dont remember hating it at the beginning. Mostly because I had no idea what to expect and what moves I would get. I just went with the flow

[analog forge]

i did drop hollow knight early game

it was only like a year later i decided to give it another chance

[ocean mulch]

Wow
How long even is early game

Like 4 hours or sth

[nimble pebble]

I just had fun playing it the whole time

[cerulean sable]

majority of those guys felt the game was stumped until wall climb

or city of tears

[nimble pebble]

Never had a problem with early game at least on first playthrough

[cerulean sable]

well others did

[ocean mulch]

Inch resting

[mortal grove]

early game uhhh i explored and i was trying so hard to get to salubra

[nimble pebble]

We all know only my opinion matters /j

[serene chasm]

According to my steam achievement time. It took me an hour to get my first charm and beating hornet

[iron spear]

Apparently HK hit it's all time concurrent players recently? Nice

[ocean mulch]

From what I can tell the dash/sprint/jump will be very useful so

[nimble pebble]

Epic

[ocean mulch]

Nice
Might have to open it to add more

Anyways

[cerulean sable]

ye

was like 10k back then

[subtle echo]

Lol

[ocean mulch]

How many concurrent SS players on launch

[cerulean sable]

per month

i think we might hit at least a high 30k imo

maybe im VASTLY underselling it 🥴

[serene chasm]

doubtful. I could see SS maybe getting to 30k concurrent but not HK

[cerulean sable]

im talking about SS

at the max im going around 50k-100k on release

there are games released recently thats dropped down to 2k already

[ocean mulch]

Aah taco now I'm thinking about playing SS again

[cerulean sable]

HK had a constant 4000-8000 players playing it per day

tho back then a few months ago it would average around 2000-4000 per day

[serene chasm]

Most games do that. Pretty sure ori 2 went from 30k players to under 2k in a few days

[edgy sleet]

!sspsa

wrong command?

[mortal grove]

its ?

[nimble pebble]

I get that early game HK wasn’t appealing to everyone but while I understand it I can’t exactly agree from my stand point I could agree from a devs standpoint but I personally don’t understand how it’s boring to explore in a game where exploring is a main component cause you know it’s an exploration game I feel too many people are used to linear games where they tell you what to do and where to go immediately and you’re often told your objective which doesn’t happen in HK

Simply a different look at things

[sacred stratus]

don't forget the console playerbase

[cerulean sable]

its half half, others found the lack of objective newish while the others felt like the moveset was limited

not everyone tha was ehd with early game was because they were bad at exploring, they just found it "slow"

[sacred stratus]

there are even more players on Xbox, PS and the Switch

[ocean mulch]

you mean the moveset was limited at the start where you don't have upgrades yet

[cerulean sable]

by then you got what, jump, pogo, and jump again

[nimble pebble]

Am I to be able to shoot a hyper sonic ultra sword beam of death at the beginning of the game?

[serene chasm]

I think its more that people are use to games having big epic intros with explosions and dragons and guns.

[nimble pebble]

[sacred stratus]

I actually liked the early I don't get why people think it's boring... it's a metroidvania and the first area is like playing a little metroidvania which helps set the rules for the game

[ocean mulch]

I think SS will be unboring

[cerulean sable]

granted ive noticed its because HK is a lot bigger than other contemporary metroidvanias, which usually give you a decent amount of powerups by an hour in

[nimble pebble]

That was my point yes

[cerulean sable]

i had an arguement with grover way back then, and i agree its less about putting dash at the start and more about just giving more interactivity with the environment, like ledge climbing

[nimble pebble]

Fair enough

[sacred stratus]

yeah unlike most metroidvania HK doesn't give tons of upgrade very early they space it out

which can be boring for new players but it makes my appreciation for every single skill I unlock even more

[serene chasm]

I assumed your point was more that people are use to linear games

[nimble pebble]

A lot of linear games have that though

[cerulean sable]

yeah from my understanding, by the time you get dash - finished hornet in HK, you wouldve already gotten a movement ability in another metroidvania

[sacred stratus]

I like more modest intros that help set the mood for the early game which is usually pretty chill

[analog forge]

the early game, when looked at as part of a finished product, is fine.

the problem is early game when looked at as a first impression

[cerulean sable]

it wasnt jarring for me because i didnt even know about ability upgrades lmao

[nimble pebble]

[cerulean sable]

but it definitely were for some veterans

[sacred stratus]

you get way more than that, I recently played other metroidvanias and they give you tons of abilities in the first hour and then start to space them out

[analog forge]

not a movement ability, per say, but definetly an unlocker upgrade

like missles, or super missles, or morph ball or bombs in metroid.

[nimble pebble]

80% of HK’s fan base aren’t Metroidvania veterans though

[cerulean sable]

havent a lot of metroidvanias but those are always the things i see when people bring up HK

[analog forge]

These things arent "movement" persay, but they do unlock new avenues to explore the enviroment

[cerulean sable]

which is also why we have a bunch of kids comparing everything to HK

[sacred stratus]

it's jarring to me that Metroid, the OG metroidvania had more creative abilities than most modern ones

[nimble pebble]

True

[analog forge]

that reminds me of a steam blurb for a metroidvania i saw recently

[sacred stratus]

OMG it's a 2d game with melee combat so it must be an HK clone, dislike , unsubscribe, blocked and reported

[cerulean sable]

pretty much lmao

[nimble pebble]

The first Metroidvania is arguably Super Metroid

[analog forge]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/986310/Recompile/
".Combining Metroidvania progression with non-linear exploration and gameplay"

Steam

Recompile

Witness the birth of sapient AI in this sprawling atmospheric hacking adventure.Combining Metroidvania progression with non-linear exploration and gameplay. Recompile challenges players to explore, fight, hack, and survive. Discover the many secrets beneath ancient digital landscape and prepare for system-wide reconfiguration.The game’s entire n...

Price

$17.99

Metacritic

68

▶ Play video

as apposed to the metroidvania progression with the linear exploration and gameplay

[nimble pebble]

[analog forge]

I swear, do people even know what metroidvania means anymore?

[sacred stratus]

when I said Metroid I meant Super metroid. my bad

[cerulean sable]

in a way some were "linear" right?
like to get this ability, you need this specific other ability, to also get this other ability in sequence?

i guess

[nimble pebble]

Well apparently they don’t know what rip-off means so no

[cerulean sable]

whereas in HK, wanna get to COT? heres 4 fucking ways how

[nimble pebble]

[cerulean sable]

thats the only reason i could of why the blurb is like that

[sacred stratus]

the definiton is still not well defined and a part of that is the fact that the genre relies on it's mother game, it also happens in souls-likes

[analog forge]

Thats standard metroidvania fare.
look at supermetroid, for instance.
in terms of sequence skipping, you have the normal path, you have bomb jumps, you have the running jump thing, you have wall jumps.

[sacred stratus]

I decided to stop looking at Super metroid when judging games in the genre so my definition is more liberal

[analog forge]

I've said it before, ill say it again.
if you've played 2 proper metroidvanias, then you know what a metroidvania is.

[nimble pebble]

TTaco is doing that thing I do which is leave out crucial words to a sentence so that it makes no grammatical sense or my message suddenly doesn’t say what I meant

[sacred stratus]

I got aids from trying to understand this sentence

[cerulean sable]

what did i do

[analog forge]

Cave story is not a metroidvania, no matter what people try to claim

[nimble pebble]

You did a thing that I do

Leave out important words to a sentence without realizing it

[analog forge]

when?

oh right i see it now

[nimble pebble]

It’s missing think

but no shade to TTaco I do it too

[cerulean sable]

i didnt realize i missed a word

im gonna keep it that way to spite you

[analog forge]

Anyhow, metroidvania isnt as hard of a genre to define as people think it is.

[nimble pebble]

You could also argue “as to” should be before why but I won’t be a stickler since he’s probably tired

[nimble pebble]

You don’t have to, I was just commenting on it cause I do the same

[analog forge]

non linear
upgrade oriented
connected world
based around exploration

[nimble pebble]

Sounds like a Metroidvania to me

Speaking of which ijones

[sacred stratus]

my definition is:
semi-linear
connected world (tho the degree may vary)
exploration based

[nimble pebble]

Does Don’t starve count as a roguelike since it has perma death and random world generation

[sacred stratus]

still haven't decided about the upgrade oriented part

[nimble pebble]

or is that just par for the course in a survival game

[sacred stratus]

well IMO yes this sounds like a rogue-like to me

[serene chasm]

pretty sure dont starve is a rogue lite

[sacred stratus]

a game can belong to two different genres at the same time

[analog forge]

I'd say no,since you dont get unique items and such.
I'd say its as much a roguelike as any other randomly generated open world crafting game

[nimble pebble]

You die and restart with random world gen though

[sacred stratus]

in case of don't starve it's rogue-like and survival

[analog forge]

Each run is more or less the same, just a bit shuffled around

[serene chasm]

Good point. That would be like calling minecraft a roguelike

[nimble pebble]

That’s how you describe a rougelike though

[mortal grove]

hi i heard ds

[analog forge]

for me, what makes something a roguelike is that each run is distinct from the last.
thats what seperates roguelike from arcade

[nimble pebble]

There’s no perma death in minecraft unless it’s hardcore

[chilly nexus]

the fact this happened with the huge switch player-base not included is incredible

[analog forge]

modern Arcade games have many of the same aspects that roguelikes have.
but each run isnt as distinct from each other.

[sacred stratus]

yeah metroidvanias are experiencing a renessance

[nimble pebble]

The defining traits of roguelike is perma death and random world gen with roguelite allowing one to obtain something outside of runs that can aid in doing runs

[analog forge]

This isnt about the difference between roguelike and roguelite.
In this case, im using like to refer to both.

[nimble pebble]

It depends on hat exactly makes each run unique for Gungeon it’s what boss you get that floor on top of what’s in the chests each run

[upbeat marlin]

Pain agony even

[nimble pebble]

Conversation derailed

[analog forge]

the loot from the chests is what makes each run unique.
you dont look back on a gungeon run and think "i fought kill pillers and the rat"
you think "wow, i had elimenter and yari launcher"

[upbeat marlin]

This wasn't happening before why now

[nimble pebble]

Correct however the order of bosses still makes each run distinct

It’s an additive

[analog forge]

but yeah, regardless of opinion on dont starve, its inarguable its an edge case.

[nimble pebble]

Also how you look back on it is irrelevant to whether not it factually makes a run distinct

[analog forge]

er what?
how you look back on something is entirely what makes something distinctive

[nimble pebble]

Eh, genres meld sometimes there’s case for it but it doesn’t really matter

[analog forge]

It could be as different as night and day, but if it blurs and blends together, its not distinctive.

[nimble pebble]

But isn’t what bosses you fight only a blur in an opinionated sense not in the sense of a roguelike

I for one relish when I get Gatling gul rather than the 7 previous runs of trigger twins

Tbh getting gorgun over ammocanda is a better comparison

Fuck Ammocanda all my homies hate Ammocanda

[solemn perch]

N: What's the next Disappointment Day?

N: Supposedly, there's a nintendo direct in September

[steep basalt]

hey has there been any news recently?

[river storm]

There hasn’t been news in over a year

[hasty sonnet]

why did they even update hollow knight for so many times

recently

[analog forge]

not true

there was literally news just 9 months ago

9 months < 12 months, last i checked

[chilly nexus]

it's possible they outsource or have people who patch HK for them at this point 👍 I don't think the big 3 of TC would busy themselves too too much with the game's maintenance

[serene patrol]

Oooof that was a quick delete

[serene patrol]

I agree

[mental anvil]

ñ

[tired lake]

I dreamed silksong was shown at the gamescom

[cerulean sable]

hold em, i want a dream nail on them

[proud vale]

Guess that'll stay a dream

No confirmed nintendo presence yet right?

[fiery coral]

is it genuinely quite unlikely for SS to show up at Gamescom?

[proud vale]

Well, no nintendo likely means no SS

[fiery coral]

No idea this channel is basically my only source for news regarding Nintendo

[proud vale]

Haha yeah same

I think it seems like they have enough hype garnered through nintendo directs already, they probably wouldn't even need gamescom as a platform

[hollow sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFAknD_9U7c

i need to watch this once a month to keep my sanity

[cerulean sable]

Hype is defeat

[hollow sedge]

[tired lake]

Yeah I doubt theres any chance

[iron spear]

Don't worry guys the next direct will be the one!!!!

Don't lose the hype

Never give in to the despair!

Stay strong with me my brother's in arms

[hollow thistle]

[fiery coral]

GameRant is furiously writing its next article as we speak

[dusty nimbus]

It's not giving into despair it is being rational and not caring until actual news come out, nothing is gonna change anyways if you see it live or an hour because trust me you're in hk discord and seeing this message

[sacred stratus]

impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete

I found this video on YouTube that claims to know when we will get news, get a load of this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_d4s0vDL4

he's a fool

[fleet temple]

OMG!!! GRAIG CONFIRMS SS AT NINTENDO EVENT!??!?!?!!

[fiery coral]

😱😱😱

[sacred stratus]

Graig sus

[signal crag]

guys, don't listen to him
deep inside, he only wants to see this chat burn with chaos

[pliant gorge]

What

[sacred stratus]

lies are temporary, the wait for SS is eternal

[pliant gorge]

Nah bro, it’s just an alluccination, craig said nothing

[iron spear]

this is true, but there is a special layer even deeper than that right in the core of my heart. And it wants you all to be happy

[balmy carbon]

is SS out yet?

[hollow thistle]

there're hundreds TBA game in wishlist so one more or less doesnt matter

[coarse leaf]

it will be out in ||sometime in the future||

[balmy carbon]

wow

[fleet temple]

who is craig?

[pliant gorge]

I think in November it will be 1000 days since announcment

[coarse leaf]

simo told me that
XD

[pliant gorge]

Graig

[sacred stratus]

this is Craig

[balmy carbon]

he looks hot ngl

[pliant gorge]

🤩

[fleet temple]

craig in ss?

Graig in ss?

[hollow thistle]

srais in gg

[sacred stratus]

Graig is a playtester of SS and Craig is the root of all life in the universe

[pliant gorge]

Hornet is just a playable character in furture silksong hornet dlc, craig is the true main character

[iron spear]

we're brothers. He created the energy for the universe and I shaped it into what we have now

[sacred stratus]

it's so sad that he died from ligma tho

[balmy carbon]

wowwww

[fleet temple]

so i guess... graig created silksong

[dusty nimbus]

You didn't specify how thick that layer is compared to everything else

[coarse leaf]

Maybe Silksong has been done for about a year and they're keeping it from going out on purpose to drive us mad

[spice wigeon]

The hollowing will end then

[signal crag]

he's likely testing a lot of the game to make sure it's the best version it can be
for me, that's enough

[coarse leaf]

yes, but I think once major bugs are taken out they will go to early access to sort out the more niche problems

[formal karma]

Lol no

[frank sparrow]

Graig hyping up the masses? oh no

[mortal grove]

left on read

[frank sparrow]

[carmine sapphire]

silk

[frank sparrow]

never

[pallid flare]

thats the worst idea ever

[iron spear]

1.0.0.0 was never released

earliest release was 1.0.0.5

[frank sparrow]

[pallid flare]

was it the one you dropped in #modding-discussion?

[kind spire]

hey silksong, can you release? thanks

[frank sparrow]

no

[formal karma]

mhmmm its not ready though

and its the first release

do you want.... even less?

well, that's even later than the demo

[iron spear]

what about this pre unity version??

2014

[formal karma]

oof

[fathom spire]

Silksong is the next DLC to be released right?

[formal karma]

no

[fathom spire]

oh is it a full game?

[formal karma]

how'd you even learn about silksong without knowing its a full game?

[autumn forge]

full game

[autumn forge]

good question

[coarse leaf]

It was gonna be DLC then they put a whole game's worth of effort into it

[fathom spire]

I've heard of the HK community waiting for Silksong my guy, I'm new to this game

[autumn forge]

exactly

[formal karma]

yes but presumably you've seen the trailer?

[fathom spire]

wasn't aware there was one, as I said, new around here

[signal crag]

the whole "hornet DLC" thing only existed before the release was out

it also has a steam page, separate from HK

[formal karma]

yea the hornet dlc idea is years older than it being a new game....

[iron spear]

welcome my friend

[signal crag]

hopefully you don't have to wait as much as we already did

[fathom spire]

cheers

[iron spear]

and yes its an entire new game

[charred pulsar]

Thank you Old Mate

[formal karma]

man.... i still remember almost dropping my colon when i saw the words "the second game by team cherry"........

[signal crag]

same, damn that was amazing

[fathom spire]

new game within the Hollow Knight universe in term of lore then?

[formal karma]

it was.... in-sayn

[iron spear]

Thank you Simo. When are you going to be here??

[crisp drift]

i mean lore and franchise?

[formal karma]

yuppers

[kind spire]

bro i was taking my exams to get into highschool when the trailer dropped and now im halfway trough it

[signal crag]

yeah, but they still want to keep it mostly separate, so that new fans of the series can enjoy it without having to play HK first

[fathom spire]

ah okay, that makes sense - thanks

[formal karma]

yea- no knowledge of hollow knight necessary

[signal crag]

also they want to maintain around the same difficulty as HK

[coarse leaf]

but also deep canon lore to be explored

[autumn forge]

bye bye guys im leaving

[charred pulsar]

Wish I knew, fingers crossed this week coming, but i've been saying that for weeks now

[crisp drift]

i imagine the lore of Silksong is also going to be independent to the first game

well at least we have more weaver lore

[fleet temple]

but there'll probably be small references for the dedicated fans

[signal crag]

also, if you want more info on the game, check out the google doc in pins, if you don't care too much about light spoilers

[coarse leaf]

I think the plot will be separate, and have new lore, but the general structure (higher beings, dreams/soul/lifeblood) will be included

[fathom spire]

cheers, will do

[kind spire]

it will have some connections most likely, at least the pale flowers will be addressed hopefully

[coarse leaf]

more emphasis on the weavers and their spells

[crisp drift]

i doubt Silksong going to have dream magic, but who knows

[signal crag]

again
same world/universe, so similar rules, but an entirely different kingdom to explore

[coarse leaf]

HK didn't have it at first either

[coarse leaf]

maybe we will FINALLY find out what Higher Beings are. I've theorised a bunch but #hk-lore keeps saying the Lore Tablets are propaganda so I can't trust em

[crisp drift]

yeah it's the same world - dream realm exist in Pharloom

i just doubt we'll interact with dream realm in Silksong

[formal karma]

samesies

[signal crag]

yep, same for me

[iron spear]

Just down patch it or something

Can you still do that in steam?

So..... You know about it? Lmao

Oh I see

I have it but I can't send it to you

I'm sure you can find a way to get it...

[pallid flare]

hmm...

graig is either trolling or not

[formal karma]

people don't send each other huge files containing games

[pallid flare]

thats fair

it looks really interesting though

[iron spear]

Why can't I distribute a copywrited piece of software that I don't own and have no license for AND I do work for the company that strictly owns it

[signal crag]

yeah, sounds reasonable

[pallid flare]

stupid copyright laws

[signal crag]

always ruining everything, huh

[formal karma]

where would he even send it, in his email???

[pallid flare]

can you tell us more about it

[iron spear]

It's only released on GoG

1.0.0.5

[pallid flare]

it only goes back a few versions

[iron spear]

There is only one way you could obtain 1.0.0.6 legally and it would be to find someone selling the physical indieGamer release

Or by downpatching steam somehow

[pallid flare]

is that version worth the effort?

[iron spear]

How bad you wanna thornwarp

[pallid flare]

whats that

i am intrigued

[iron spear]

a tiny bug fix

they are 99.9999% the same

[tall hinge]

and the 0.00001%?

[iron spear]

yeah

[signal crag]

we require the knowledge, Graig

[iron spear]

basically the GoG version released at like 00:01am or something

and the steam version released at like 6pm

or something like that?

in that time there was a bug fix

and if i remember it was like.... The second trial not giving the reward??

or it did it sometimes

[pallid flare]

there has to be some kind of depot

[signal crag]

HK was rushed, even if not by a lot, right?

[bleak scarab]

yes

[formal karma]

aaaaaand silksong is not rushed, hence the wiggity wait

[tall hinge]

indeed

[balmy carbon]

the best way for it to be

[coarse leaf]

When will a part 2

[tall hinge]

what part 2

[coarse leaf]

Hollow knight

[marsh ibex]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[coarse leaf]

Ok

[tall hinge]

rip

[pallid flare]

stupid copyright laws >:(

[shy stirrup]

How are they infringing copyright

[pallid flare]

idk illegal copies do that

[shy stirrup]

Oh right

Did hollow knight not publicly release aa 1.0.0

[pallid flare]

it did

there is a way to get it, i think

[shy stirrup]

Than that one probably has the most bugs by far

[tall hinge]

graig just said 1.0.0.0 was never released publicly

[pallid flare]

oh wait

then a slightly newer version

[tall hinge]

yeah he said 1.0.0.5 was the first publicly released version

[shy stirrup]

Yeah thats .05/.06

[tall hinge]

ye

[shy stirrup]

I wish copyright infringement was legal!

[tall hinge]

[tall hinge]

[charred pulsar]

Now that's a throwback

[signal crag]

ohhh, nice

[pallid flare]

wow old hollow knight

[signal crag]

what, the game being amazing is not a good reason enough?

yeah, relics from the past

[shy stirrup]

That's the cornifer patch right

[pallid flare]

yeah i agree

[tall hinge]

[signal crag]

cornifer patch?

[shy stirrup]

It added the hum

[tall hinge]

how was the game even playable without the humming

[signal crag]

ohhh, didn't know that

[shy stirrup]

Sucks you werent able to get .05

[tall hinge]

😤 smh

[brave breach]

Hey guys

Any SS news? haha

[tall hinge]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pallid flare]

damn was too slow

[signal crag]

better luck next time

[shy stirrup]

God i was playing 1.2.2.1 recently and the old hit animation is so weird

Lifeblood made everything so much better

[signal crag]

to think that falling in water would stop the knight

[shy stirrup]

Yeah theres like weird transparent thing

Yeah i deleted it cuz i realized i didnt wanna speedru

I used to speedrun smo and my self esteem and patience is not good enough to speedrun lol

After a while time losses just start pissing me off lol

For some reasons in speedruns i always fuck up tricks i can do consistently outside of runs

I might speedrun silksong tho since ill be there for its release

Lmaaao

[signal crag]

wow

yeah, that can really screw you up sometimes

also
i'm glad of the collector instant shots glitch was fixed, so it should be a bit easier to conserve lifeblood masks

[shy stirrup]

Did they fix the absrad void glitch

Ive died 4 times to it

Will 1.5 eventually come to switch

[signal crag]

at least, no major ones

[shy stirrup]

Ah ok

[signal crag]

i tried it a few times in the past
best attempt i got into abs radiance phase 2, then died lmao

very likely, yeah

do you have any idea how may blue masks i had before GPZ?

and still lost all of them because of that jumping idiot

[marsh ibex]

It’ll probably take a while

because Nintendo iirc has like dumb ass rules for patches and updates

[signal crag]

and i still lost

charged dash attack and spells are your only weapons against him

and only when he's spinning his shield

[tall hinge]

[marsh ibex]

I think it’s arguable that no charms is worse

[fathom peak]

shell binding is also a drag to deal with (from my experience trying to do AB)
two mask damage sucks even more

[marsh ibex]

Because after a certain point you never stop using them

[signal crag]

and being forced to play without any of them is a huge change

same
i don't have to, but it's still on the back of my mind sometimes

[shy stirrup]

What is the reward again

[tall hinge]

i think its a weird mindset to complain about rewards for extremely tough challenges in games (i know youre just joking tho pogo). they dont put the reward there to push you to do these challenges, they put the rewards there to give it to people that attempt it, you know what i mean?

[signal crag]

i already did everything else, all 4 pantheons all bindings, all bosses radiant....

[shy stirrup]

Lmao

[shy stirrup]

Yeah. If the reward is too good its annoying but if its too bad its annoying too

[signal crag]

there's even a secret reward for hitless phantheon 5, right?

so no reason to ever do that for me LMAO

.....that's actually new to me

makes sense i guess

[tall hinge]

it probably comes from older days when you werent supposed to know about the rewards and its meant to be a secret 'thank you gift' for the really hardcore, but because of the internet the reward becomes the motivation

[signal crag]

yeah

[tall hinge]

nah i know youre just joking and you cant control being frustrated, i have nothing against you man i cant even beat normal p5 let alone abp5

[signal crag]

at least they are not steam achievements tho

[fathom peak]

ab p5 is a pain in the ass

[tall hinge]

true

[mortal grove]

if it was ....

[fathom peak]

have you completed p5 ab pog

[signal crag]

same, the only thing left for me to do in HK

[fathom peak]

i havent completed it either
on my first try i made it to markoth
then the rest of my runs cant even reach markoth anymore

now thats something i dont feel like doing
even if i like hk so much

[rapid topaz]

they make a discord ping sound? how awesome

[fickle epoch]

path of pain

lmao

whats your pb?

nice, thats a good time

and yeah 1.5 dashmaster is really

[cursive jetty]

Hey guys, just a random thought I had: what do you think Hornet's wall jump item will be? In the trailer it looks very similar to mantis claw but I doubt TC would reuse an item from hk, maybe it's related to the dust reaches

[barren roost]

now that's pog

[signal crag]

Isn’t that from the tools menu?
I think a movement upgrade/tool will be completely separate from that system, like displayed in that “backpack” menu instead.

Oh sorry, didn’t read that comment right

Still, i don’t expect the wall jump to be too different from HK’s one

Even better, you can use tools when hanging on walls

[cursive jetty]

Personally I'm leaning towards the wall jump being a weaver ability but I imagine it greatly impacts tools too

Maybe Hornet can place vertical traps on walls during grand hunts

[signal crag]

There’s one that looks like a floor spike, so it would be interesting to have this kind of more “slow and strategic” kind of approach.

Not sure how much it would be possible in a fast paced game like silksong, but it’s still neat to think about

[cursive jetty]

Yeah, that could also indicate how strong the grand hunt creatures are, maybe dealing double damage and having a big health pool, to the point where fighting them directly is the worst option

[haughty brook]

Still don't know how hunts or grand hunts will work in-game though. Maybe you can kill the targets before accepting the quest or even know that it existed in the first place.

[brittle garnet]

Most likely if you kill them before and the NPC tells you "oh there's a terrible beast hiding in the Grove" Hornet will be like "You know, I already killed it."

[nimble radish]

oh that bitch, yeah he died in like three hits gimme the cash

hornet has to swear, TC I am begging and pleading let hornet swear

[brittle garnet]

Or, rather. If you accept quests from the board, and not from NPC's, completing hunt quests before you find the quest will be no different.

[formal karma]

or maybe talking to the npc or accepting the board, you get clues as to a strategy to beat them- or simply wander into them and kill them

[glossy gazelle]

I’m guessing hunts are killing x amount of enemies, or killing all the enemies within a certain area, while grand hunt are fighting strong enemies

[haughty brook]

I think TC could implement a "complete the quest before talking with the quest giver" like with the Snail Shaman, that was a cool detail.

[glossy gazelle]

I mean you could probably do that with the gather quests

[haughty brook]

I think the player could complete most quests without talking to NPCs, just for speedrun sake or repeating playthoruhs.

[silver oak]

At the beginning of the game they ask if you want the censored or uncensored versions of Silksong

[pallid flare]

fucking shaw

[signal crag]

yeah,
in general i think quest boards simply let's you know there's IS a quest/something to do in a certain area, not that you have to activate it first for the quest itself to appear in-game

[silver oak]

Yeah it's not even in the text, she just randomly swears in English through the voicelines

[signal crag]

so that it feels more "natural"

[silver oak]

We do know that you can see quests in the menu, so there is probably some system that "activates" the quests

[coarse leaf]

shakra should be romanceable in the game dont ask why

[signal crag]

oh, we do?
is it something about this screenshot?

the icon with the red ping?

[marsh ibex]

You could’ve

[silver oak]

Ye

[marsh ibex]

Just said yes

[silver oak]

Sry didn't see they uploaded it as well

Was busy drawing red circle

[marsh ibex]

now we ban

[silver oak]

[signal crag]

no pls Joker, don't do this
he didn't know better

[silver oak]

Graig will save me

[iron spear]

@coarse leaf this is what you need

[marsh ibex]

Based graig!

[bleak flint]

Ari Glisson? Who dat

[iron spear]

Actually now that I think about it, it might not actually be 1.0.0.6 I can't remember

[desert basin]

I want to get my wanderers journal signed

[silver oak]

Ari's signature looks like a narwhal

[coarse leaf]

secret dev

[silver oak]

Or an anvil

One thing it doesn't look like is the name Ari Gibson

[sick heart]

@iron spear i see your role. have you got something about new game? c:

[pallid flare]

yes he is allowed to breach his NDA

just for you, of course

[silver oak]

Also pls don't ping TC members

[bleak flint]

lmao

[marsh ibex]

he can’t tell as he signed a non disclosure agreement

[coarse leaf]

yeah they're gonna think we're more cringe than b4

[sick heart]

of course i understand guys i'm not telling anybody to leak us everything

[iron spear]

I can talk about new games. Diablo 4 looks like it might be good

[silver oak]

Idk if that's possible

[pallid flare]

graig can you troll

[marsh ibex]

so then…why did you ask about silksong?

[formal karma]

ewww activision blizzard

[coarse leaf]

what about d2 ressurected?

gonna download the old one and test it out

[full rune]

Yeah don't leak everything just jeopardize your job and leak a little bit 🥺

[bleak flint]

of course i understand guys i'm not telling anybody to leak us everything
@sick heart You literally just asked them to leak stuff

[sick heart]

why not?

[silver oak]

If it's only a bit it can't be bad, right?

[formal karma]

because there's thousands of us, and they're busy

[marsh ibex]

alright stop hive minding folks

[bleak flint]

Only a spoonful

[pallid flare]

ss-discussion is a hivemind

[tribal merlin]

because if they see this discord only as a cesspit of worthless pings they won't ever come back here

[iron spear]

What about Graig resurrected??

[coarse leaf]

oh

[silver oak]

The second coming of Graig is upon us

[full rune]

What about Cerulean

[silver oak]

That's the game Benji and Lazy are making right?

It looks cool

[marsh ibex]

Lazy more like based-y

[tribal merlin]

they're making cereals into a game?

[coarse leaf]

also, this fake teamcherry ganes account on twitter these days, i cant find the account anymore they deleted it?

[pallid flare]

look harder

[coarse leaf]

Someone say... ressurection?!

found it

im just soo hyped about greymoor, its supposd to be bigger than city of tears right?

[bleak flint]

But grey

[neon talon]

bigger, and better, but also worse

[bleak flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/751933147637088287.png?v=1&size=64&width=16

[coarse leaf]

sounds like it'll be fun

[neon talon]

oh yeah, and grey

[silver oak]

They've said "one of the largest we've ever made"

[coarse leaf]

jesus
its gonna be so awesome to explore

[silver oak]

That doesn't mean bigger than CoT, it means probably about the same size

[coarse leaf]

i just hope we dont get any cockroaches ugh

[bleak flint]

I'd legitimately be interested in a full scale game made out of Hungry Knight (top down and stuff)

[iron spear]

me too

get on it

[silver oak]

It's up to you now

[formal karma]

we're getting dust roaches

[marsh ibex]

so…an rpg?

[haughty brook]

Why then they would specified they made one of the largest areas they ever did and just be the same size as CoT? It doesn't make sense.

[silver oak]

An rpg but you have to eat every ten seconds

[coarse leaf]

maybe some secret ways?

[bleak flint]

I would if I could code or draw or make music or do literally anything useful in game dev

[coarse leaf]

i think that it'll be bigger than CoT too but who knows

[bleak flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/863278294508765214.png?v=1&size=64&width=16

[tribal merlin]

just means it'll take you a little longer

[pallid flare]

silksong will definitely be bigger than city of tear

[iron spear]

someone should just make a game thats every genre. Top down then you go across a screen turns into a platformer, next room is a fighting game, beat that dude tetris starts, finish that level turn into an FPS

[pallid flare]

that would take ages to make

[silver oak]

Just marketing probably, they probably don't want to compare it to Hollow Knight too much if they're trying to make it work as a standalone experience

[iron spear]

nah, you just make mediocre version of everything

[coarse leaf]

whats this "Soaring Warlord's Tower" on the wiki page?

[pallid flare]

ahhh

[bleak flint]

Can't wait for the new path of pain challenges with the new move set

[bleak flint]

Activision

[silver oak]

There was a game on one of the GMTK jams that was something like that

[coarse leaf]

there's a game with that theme, i guess the name is evoland? or evoway ?

[marsh ibex]

It was namedropped on the silksong website. We know nothing about it

[marsh ibex]

Evoland

[silver oak]

It was called genre switcher or something

[haughty brook]

I think Greymoor is going to be the biggest area they ever made in comparison with the areas in HK, and why TC would just made meaningless marketing about the size when they could describe the area in other aspects just fine.

[marsh ibex]

It’s on the app store iirc

[iron spear]

oh a game that i tested came out btw. called wrestle dunk sports. go buy it. (oh yeah you KNOW i'm a huge shill)

[bleak flint]

Better not forget the rythm genre too

[heady iron]

when is your metroidvania going on kickstarter

[coarse leaf]

oh really? they just dropped there and left?
wow talk about building hype

[marsh ibex]

Silksong doesn’t need a kickstarter

[marsh ibex]

And the game doesn’t need hype building lmaooo

[bleak flint]

Namedrops area, refuses to elaborate, leaves https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/848972928049872906.png?v=1&size=64&width=16

[iron spear]

avatar the last airbender doesnt need a KS but they did it anyway lmao

[silver oak]

If they said "bigger than City of Tears," someone who hasn't played Hollow Knight would have no idea what that means. But simply saying it's a huge area gives everyone an immediate sense of scale. Now you know there will be more things in it, more areas to explore, etc. without relying on HK at all.

[iron spear]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/magpiegames/avatar-legends-the-roleplaying-game

look at this shit

just a free 10mil

[pallid flare]

damn 6 million euro

[marsh ibex]

That has to be used on the game

[signal crag]

w h a t

[marsh ibex]

yeah

[silver oak]

Yeah that was not needed

[marsh ibex]

you didn’t hear about this?

[coarse leaf]

omg whats this

[bleak flint]

Wait what's wrong

[signal crag]

i didn't

[bleak flint]

It's just an RPG

[silver oak]

Avatar is leeching money ig

[iron spear]

they made 1mil in like the first 16 hours or something

[bleak flint]

Probably less legit than the air umbrella then

[coarse leaf]

we dont have games in ba sing se

[iron spear]

i work like 20 years -> 1 million. They go to sleep and wake up -> 1 million

[bleak flint]

That poor guy who's still waiting for his air umbrella

[silver oak]

There's some insane kickstarters out there

Remember Mighty No. 9?

[iron spear]

that got like 4mil right?

[haughty brook]

More like, Fail No.9

[nimble pebble]

I would assume the company making the table top aren't the creators of ATLA and simply got permission to use the IP to make a board game There'd be no reason to KS otherwise

[pallid flare]

they didn't even give him a normal umbrella

[nimble pebble]

I mean what did he expect it was a scam

[bleak flint]

There's that one kickstarter plastic ball you spit into and they claim future civilizations will be able to clone you (assuming cloning would even copy over conscience, which it wouldn't)

[iron spear]

i mean there isnt really any rule against KS if you "dont need it" right?

like nintendo could KS the next Smash Bros

[heady iron]

wow look at this guy and his $50k salary

[nimble pebble]

wym

[iron spear]

if they wanted to

[pallid flare]

no you just have to give your backers what you promised

[barren roost]

somebody out there would look at this and go "omg silksong news!"

[still wren]

omg silksong news!

[nimble pebble]

#sk-discussion message

[silver oak]

The sequel to Gloomhaven got over 12 million on Kickstarter

[iron spear]

Rockstar should kickstart GTA6

[nimble pebble]

[silver oak]

That would break so many records

And also be totally useless

[heady iron]

yearly call of duty kickstarters

[silver oak]

GTA5 has literally made billions

[iron spear]

i mean kickstarting a video game is really just preordering

plus helping out an indie dude

[pallid flare]

fancy preordering

[nimble pebble]

Let's kickstart BOTW3

[iron spear]

but mainly preordering the game lmao

[pallid flare]

where you arent even guaranteed to get anything

[still wren]

FIFA could KS every year and make an extra mil easy money without any effort lmao

[formal karma]

then... i preordered crowsworn? interesting...

[nimble pebble]

Well usually you can tell if it's something you're actually going to get by the product

[haughty brook]

Still kinda sad that TC didn't get more money for the HK Kickstarter

[silver oak]

I mean yeah
If you just paid the 20 dollar tier you did basically preorder

[nimble pebble]

Like if it's some imaginery dream project chances are you aren't getting it

Like the Air umbrella

[iron spear]

back when TC did their KS it wasent so much of an art like nowdays

[silver oak]

Hollow Knight was a very small game and metroidvanias were far from as big as they are now

[iron spear]

nowdays you spend a good while making the trailer look amazing etc

[silver oak]

It's been nearly 7 years since the kickstarter

Also pre-Unity HK looked pretty rough ngl

[nimble pebble]

[heady iron]

it was an art back then, did you not see the potato salad campaign

[silver oak]

Tell me more

[pallid flare]

please tell me more

[silver oak]

This is very important

[heady iron]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zackdangerbrown/potato-salad

[iron spear]

a dude kickstarted him making a potato salad

and got like 100k

[stoic jacinth]

incredible

[haughty brook]

HK: Gets 50K

[silver oak]

That's actually hilarious

[haughty brook]

Potato salad: Gets 100K

[pallid flare]

I wish I was him

[silver oak]

They actually got less than HK

But still, very funny

[nimble radish]

thats way too much potato salad
since you can't spend the money on anything else

[still wren]

just ks anything you do, you will get money and if not it was worth a try

[haughty brook]

I want the same people that gave the potato salad kickstarter money to give too some cash.

[silver oak]

[serene chasm]

Ari Croissant KS when?

[silver oak]

Croissant Knight

Like that Poorly Drawn HK guy

[pallid flare]

weeble jeebles

[silver oak]

Yeah

[dusty nimbus]

You've both finally lost it completely

Not a hint of sanity

[silver oak]

What

I like to thing I'm still at least 25% sane

[rapid topaz]

This potato salad has to be cooked with the best potatoes and salad in the world

[silver oak]

For 55 thousand dollars I would expect the best goddamn meal I've ever had

[rapid topaz]

yeah and cooked by a 5 stars chief

[dusty nimbus]

Only a five star chef?

[bleak flint]

apparently nobody got any of the high-tier potato salad rewards

[dusty nimbus]

A whole damn restaurant is cooking your meal if it costs 55k and all of them have 3 michilen star chefs

[tribal merlin]

afaik he made just 1 potato salad for himself

the KS wasn't for anybody else to get one

[rapid topaz]

Lmao

[silver oak]

What a chad

[rapid topaz]

alright I'll make a tomatoes tuna mayonnaise sandwich if anyone is interested to support the project

[silver oak]

Put cheese on it and I'm in

[tribal merlin]

you may be a few years too late to the party, everything has been tried already

[white horizon]

Top notch silksong content

[silver oak]

[obtuse glacier]

Why the fuck did i read "silkma male" why
Why why why

[silver oak]

I only exist to make you suffer

I am your personal demon

[tribal merlin]

also making potato salad with mayonnaise isn't going anywhere near making a great potato salad

[pallid flare]

i dont like potato salads just because the mayonnaise

[tribal merlin]

you've been eating the wrong kind then

[silver oak]

Mayo is a great filler food what are you talking about

[mortal grove]

mayonaise is so bad

[silver oak]

It's like a food glue

It's not supposed to be good

[vivid belfry]

mayonnaise is a moistening agent

[pallid flare]

where do i get the good stuff?

[mortal grove]

MOISTENING AGENT?

[tribal merlin]

people just use it the wrong way
also they mostly buy the dogshit stuff at the supermarket

[vivid belfry]

yeah I want my sandwich to be less dry

and I'm not putting water on it

[silver oak]

Mayo is W E T

[tribal merlin]

you gonna have to learn to make it yourself 🙂

[signal crag]

that would help, yeah

[dusty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[chrome trout]

i finaly 100% steal soul in under 20 hours to get two achivemts in one

who needs guides just memorise the map pttf

[silver oak]

Unfortunately, the great Mayonnaise recipes made by the Mesopotamians have been almost entirely lost to time

[tribal merlin]

and instead of mayo you make a dressing out of "butterschmalz" and vinegar

[dusty nimbus]

The only thing I need to know how to make is tsatsiki

[silver oak]

All that remains is the word "ferment"

[chrome trout]

oh this is silk song not steal soul lmao

[mortal grove]

Nice weather

[silver oak]

[chrome trout]

indeed it is

[mortal grove]

What conspiracies are we cooking on the menu today

[pallid flare]

yeah, steal your knee caps

[silver oak]

Oh man that brings me back

[chrome trout]

burning children and feeding there lost souls to grimmchild

[mortal grove]

[silver oak]

To like 4 months ago

Maybe longer

[mortal grove]

that is no conspiracy! thats a fact

[chrome trout]

indeed it is good sir

[silver oak]

Steal stuff

The SS grindle spinoff

[pallid flare]

Hollow Knight: grindle

[ember matrix]

[tribal merlin]

Graig's great Grindle ransomware DLC

[silver oak]

gardening

[pallid flare]

gardening dlc when?

[silver oak]

Friendly reminder that Graig is a Sith lord #sk-discussion message

[lament mauve]

What would be Steel Soul in Silksong.

[marsh ibex]

Silk Soul

[silver oak]

"Challenge Silk Soul mode! Once you conquer the game, test your skills in an all-new mode that spins the game into a unique, challenging experience."

[lament mauve]

Oh ok

[hexed crystal]

soul binding but for the whole game?

[silver oak]

We don't know

[tall hinge]

we dont know but they said they wanted to do something more than steel soul

[signal crag]

Also something that might make your playthrough a bit longer

[hexed crystal]

they have been working on the game for 4 and a half years, i assume. There are 2x more benches in the silksong compared to hollow knight, so the map is at least 25% bigger. Also Hornet's size and speed are different and they are making the game with a different engine, so in the end, we still have at least half a year, or 1 and a half year for the release

[haughty brook]

They are still making SS with Unity.

[wooden sorrel]

https://youtu.be/9NliFX_dFtw

[hexed crystal]

oh, that changes things

[pallid flare]

that math doesn't check out

first, it's been roughly 3 years

[silver oak]

This sounds like you're just pulling random numbers and then giving a date

[tall hinge]

since reveal but they were working on silksong before we knew about it

at least before we knew about it being a full game

[hexed crystal]

for 1 year, they said it

[pallid flare]

we don't know for sure how long it was

[hexed crystal]

that's at least 4 years

[pallid flare]

when did they say "we worked on hollow knight for one year before the reveal"?

[silver oak]

"Hidden behind the scenes, Hornet’s gigantic adventure has been growing (and growing and growing!) for well over a year now, with the very first pieces coming together right after the original PC release of Hollow Knight on Feb 24th 2017."

[signal crag]

ohhh, i was just about to posting that

[pallid flare]

alright alright

[signal crag]

so at least it's not made up info for sure

[pallid flare]

then the math partially check out

[tall hinge]

https://strawpoll.com/kxqz1ex7s/ vote!

[pallid flare]

though the latter half is still kinda bullshit

[signal crag]

agreed, yeah

[nimble pebble]

wym

[tall hinge]

hi pillow

[silver oak]

My poll is spreading

[tall hinge]

thats really cool!

[barren roost]

the people who say later than 2023 are being too pessimistic even for me

[nimble pebble]

Agreed

[signal crag]

I guess only time will tell

[pallid flare]

or until you wake up

[vagrant umbra]

Purple gang.

[trim estuary]

According to prophecy and that one random YouTuber it must release in December

[nimble pebble]

November 19th is the true prophetic day

[reef scarab]

Idk I think late 2019 is still possible

[nimble pebble]

[fiery coral]

[trim estuary]

[uneven orchid]

[signal crag]

[undone fog]

Every time I watch the silksong trailer I get so hyped and then I end up watching all these videos. But then I remember... there is no release date

[green kraken]

Hello guys 🙂

[nimble pebble]

[trim estuary]

December 21st (except not really (maybe))

[trim estuary]

Hi

[fiery coral]

That'd be the perfect birthday gift

[green kraken]

May be releasing in 2022 or 2023 as speculation as that would be about 4 years of dev

[undone fog]

I hope it comes during December because I got no ideas for Christmas

[trim estuary]

But HK took 3 ye-

[undone fog]

And if it does, then my life savings are going towards it

[nimble pebble]

The perfect birthday gift would be TC mailing me a steam code for my birthday in 4 days

[trim estuary]

There is a beta for it in the steam builds thing

[green kraken]

Yes so 4 years is arguably enough if they are planning to make something as big

[fiery coral]

Wait in 4 days

[marsh ibex]

@fiery coral where’s my birthday gift

[fiery coral]

I didn't know when your birthday was

[silver oak]

Just send them a present every day of the year

[marsh ibex]

Two days

[fiery coral]

[nimble pebble]

You do now

[silver oak]

One of them will be correct

[fiery coral]

Two days ago or after

we'll never know

[serene chasm]

Wait? It was your birthday recently, Unique?

[marsh ibex]

in two

[green kraken]

Feels birthday man

[nimble pebble]

Quick someone put a birthday hat on feelsPKman

[fiery coral]

Nah, it was in response to Miniscule's Dec 21 'prediction'

[fiery coral]

[serene chasm]

When is your birthday?

[fiery coral]

Dec 21!

[serene chasm]

Thank you. Put it in the notes so I dont forget

[green kraken]

21 factorial? makes no sense

[silver oak]

How many people do you have in your list

[nimble pebble]

I hope this didn't result in your parents trying to be cheap and lump your birthday gifts with your Christmas ones

[silver oak]

December 5.1090942e+19

[green kraken]

the real release date

[serene chasm]

Idk. I just put the date in the users notes section. I dont actually have a list. (May 15th for you btw)

[silver oak]

oh that's smart

[nimble radish]

ha

[fiery coral]

I use my phone's calendar, it's reliable (most of the time)

[silver oak]

Yeah you said that the other day and I got a bit creeped out

[green kraken]

It is more powerful than the original nasa computer

[serene chasm]

sorry

[green kraken]

not sorry

[silver oak]

no it's not you're fault

There was just a short "how does he know " moment

[charred zephyr]

guys wtf i found silksong in green path, is it an easter egg ????

it must be

[trim estuary]

How do you have 6 masks prior to meeting hornet

[charred zephyr]

glad you asked

[green kraken]

Because it's silksong , different hp

[charred zephyr]

First mask shard is from Brooding Mawlek, Second and third are both bought from Sly and the fourth one is a reward for doing i think 5 grubs

[trim estuary]

Ok

[charred zephyr]

you need to do some tricks to save one of the grubs but it's doable

i usually do it on steel soul runs cause it makes it easier

[hallow estuary]

you can get one from pogoing a vengefly (skiping having to get double jump) to get a mask shard

[charred zephyr]

yeah thats the tricky one

[daring storm]

Is silksong out yet

[tall hinge]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[charred zephyr]

yeah its on the photo i just posted

[green kraken]

One day my lady

[nimble pebble]

You can vengefly skip for the mask shard in goam area

[green kraken]

though i subbed to the hk announcements thing for my own server

and keep getting HK patches instead

[empty shadow]

Yeah I think first half of next year would be too early, because I don't think they're going to shadow drop it or anything

[green kraken]

I think late 2022 as a hopeful release time and reasonably expect news in early 2022

for now , binding of isaac..

[charred zephyr]

honestly i just keep pushing it back to a month or two later in my head every time i'm wrong about my predictions

[versed hull]

they could announce that it would be finished in December 2023 and I wouldn’t care So long as we got a release date

[charred zephyr]

a year ago i was like "it'll be out august 2020" then when it wasnt i said "definitely october 2020" then "December 2020" then January 2021 and so on and so forth and now i'm saying early 2022 for now

[versed hull]

It’s crazy to think that there’s probably a hollow knight fan who has died while waiting for silksong to come out

[charred zephyr]

way more than 1 my friend

[pallid flare]

[shy stirrup]

A future hollow knight fan was born betweeb now and ss annoucement

[charred zephyr]

we do have Seth already which is a pretty sad story

[charred zephyr]

that's much more optimistic, i like it a lot

[green kraken]

yeah silksong would bring in new fans of the franchise

[versed hull]

If it ever releases

[charred zephyr]

its like the third most wishlisted game on steam isnt it ?

[tranquil igloo]

if it ever existed

[charred zephyr]

It's going to attract a lot of people for sure

[green kraken]

that's why i said would

😦

[odd anchor]

did the team talked in 2021?

[formal karma]

Yes

[tranquil igloo]

its the sixth most wishlisted game.

[pallid flare]

ok

[tribal schooner]

it went down?

[cunning geode]

people apparently want to play the amazon game

[tribal schooner]

well its still my numbe 1 at the moment. i think i look forward to it more that botw

[formal karma]

Yea a couple new games showed up to take the cake from SS

[proud vale]

Never heard it referred to like that lol

[formal karma]

When I get to my computer I'll have to check what it even is lol

[tribal schooner]

how is party party animals higher than silksong. the others ok i get it i suppose, but party animals?

[green kraken]

mod support for ss ? :3

[formal karma]

Casuals

Mod support would be nice but.... they can just mod it anways

Any sufficiently interested party would find how to mod it

[nimble pebble]

Back4blood makes sense

[formal karma]

That's gonna be a fun time

[acoustic jacinth]

First deez shard is from Brooding Deez, Second and third are both bought from Deez and the fourth one is a reward for doing i think 5 deez