sk-discussion

[cunning geode]

[pallid flare]

funny

[green kraken]

at least make a workshop for it 😦

[tranquil igloo]

yeah

[barren roost]

what does that emote mean?

[green kraken]

surprised they cared about @team cherry ganes twitter when they hardly communicate in the first place

[pallid flare]

it fooled people

[acoustic jacinth]

i love team cherry they seem like great guys ive been a fan for a while but in all seriousness they really need to fucking communicate about silksong

[green kraken]

then people email them but not like they respond to emails anyways

[coarse leaf]

No they don't

[pallid flare]

it produces a bad image for them

[green kraken]

mayhaps

Dont think they really did anything all that

luckily the twitter user is nice

[barren roost]

I mean you want them to, we all do, honestly, but they don't need to

[acoustic jacinth]

game companies need to communicate and not leave their fans in the dark lmao

[coarse leaf]

If they were to respond to all the emails they get they would literally do nothing else

[acoustic jacinth]

do you seriously have 0 standards for them

[barren roost]

we have standards for them
they should make a game
they do
standards met

[pallid flare]

its not like they owe us anything

[coarse leaf]

No they don't. You want them tho, but the hype is still there, people are still waiting, news arent needed

[pallid flare]

also, we're still here

still waiting and we're not going anywhere

[barren roost]

the fact that silksong hype has been going for almost three years, not even that long, shows that they have no need to give us constant news

[green kraken]

They don't "need" to but they are kind of causing everyone's restlessness in regards to asking for news

[barren roost]

the fact that you're complaining about no news shows you still care about the game

[green kraken]

Yes you yourself dont but still

[coarse leaf]

And? People cry about everything, if it's not about news they'll just find something else.

[green kraken]

This should just be an expected consequence of not releasing news for a hyped game not like you should blame it on the people who want news

[barren roost]

can we talk about how many people fell for teamcherrygane's comment on silksong not having started yet
that was really worrying

[barren roost]

alright, how about this: what news would you like?
don't say "just an acknowledgment that they're there", I know you wouldn't be satisfied by that

[analog forge]

as it turns out, news drought = desperate people

who wouldve fucking guessed

[nimble pebble]

People act like lack of news isn't common in the game development industry

[green kraken]

Just saying that TC reap what they sow. It is common for lack of news but also common for people to keep asking for info i think many game devs of anticipated games go through this anyways

[analog forge]

silksong is different, since we got basically a release trailer day 1.

[nimble pebble]

They announce the game, they make the game they release the game this is the basic formula

[pallid flare]

what did they reap

[nimble pebble]

You mean an announcement trailer?

[analog forge]

normally lack of news is due to the "anouncement" being just a static png image

[green kraken]

I mean they showed a trailer and then no gameplay for a few years so maybe that would be cool

[pallid flare]

there's people still playing hollow and waiting for silksong, they're doing great

you read edge?

[green kraken]

edge article = gameplay?

[pallid flare]

yeah

[green kraken]

yes some screenshots of gameplay maybe

[pallid flare]

it showed us a lot

you dont decide over whats important or not

[nimble pebble]

The amount of directs it took for Nintendo to finally tell us when BOTW 2 was coming out and even then it's just the year not the exact date is a lot, yet people still asked over and over for news, You don't get news just because you want it, you get it when the devs have something to say or something important to announce

[coarse leaf]

What do you want? Just a full playthrough or what? Screenshots are still gameplay, they still show stuff

[green kraken]

My point is just don't be surprised why people ask for news

[barren roost]

they sowed silksong and will reap the games profits
wait are you defending asking for news or asking for news

[nimble pebble]

To say we deserve news because "you want it" is entitled

[green kraken]

I am just saying

[pallid flare]

people always ask for news

literally hours after we get some

[barren roost]

just saying that you're entitled to it?

[pallid flare]

you weren't there when we got edge

[barren roost]

It's true...
I'm a fraud

[pallid flare]

it went right back to silknever in less than a week

[green kraken]

And many of the times the reaction to people wanting news is whyyy why are people wanting news so much??

[nimble pebble]

Clearly those people don't have the virtue of patience

[pallid flare]

we respond with a "just stay patient" and not "why do you want news"

[green kraken]

somtimes but yeah

[pallid flare]

sometimes?

[green kraken]

yeah that what i meant

[pallid flare]

i'm not pretending that the wait isn't killing me

it's just infuriating that everyone acts so impatient

[nimble pebble]

^

[pallid flare]

we're telling everyone that news' coming when it's ready

[green kraken]

its infuriating you but it's a common thing to want news for a game you like

[pallid flare]

that's all we can do

[charred zephyr]

oh boy what's happening here

[pallid flare]

tell you to stay patient

[green kraken]

Ok whatever i dont like arguing 😦

[pallid flare]

yeah it may have been too much

it's a bit frustrating

[nimble pebble]

Like I always say clearly most of the people waiting for SS have never had to wait from start to finish for a game to be made since Most AAA only announce closer to release because they can afford to since there's no loss of interest over time in a multi billion dollar companies next game vs an indie companies next game so SS had to announce earlier to keep fan interest, however unlike a lot of AAA games that will tell you it's coming out like 6-18 months Indies don't have that luxury and you'll likely have to wait the whole dev process for it to be out

[pallid flare]

team cherry is a bit limited with their... you know

three man team

[orchid rune]

How much time did cuphead take

[pallid flare]

long

[nimble pebble]

Cupheads Devs are Canadian

[charred zephyr]

tell me about the dlc lmao

[orchid rune]

I think it was like 6 or 8 years also botw also took quite a lot of time since the first announcement

[tribal schooner]

probably a ton of time. since all of it was hand drawn cartoons

[charred zephyr]

yeah but BOTW didnt exactly have a small team working on it

[pallid flare]

and it's a bit bigger than silksong

[orchid rune]

I know I wanted the specific number@tribal schooner

[nimble pebble]

BOTW 2 has been in development (by the end of it next year) 5 years

[orchid rune]

Botw 2 looks great

Also going back in time

[charred zephyr]

yeah the botw 2 trailer made me skyrocket when it came out

[tribal schooner]

there were alot of setbacks though and for alot of reasons

[charred zephyr]

i didnt really follow BOTW's development

[tribal schooner]

its adding all the content the first game lacked, while still using all of the last games amazing charm

[orchid rune]

Have you guys played rain world I tried it for like 30 minutes and I didn't knew where to go and kept dying ang going up and down in that countdown thing

[pallid flare]

same same and same

[orchid rune]

I just stoped

I may watch some video on how to play the game

[nimble pebble]

It would be funny if SS came out around the same time as BOTW 2 like HK did with BOTW

[pallid flare]

I really want to play more

[green kraken]

rain world is the same map each play through right?

[pallid flare]

maybe? I only played 60 minutes

[orchid rune]

We already know that botw 2 is on 2022 I think so

[green kraken]

I managed to get a vulture mask which was cool

[nimble pebble]

History repeats itself

But this means the Switch pro comes out next year since the Switch also came out at that time

[tribal schooner]

well there is 80$ already spent i guess

[orchid rune]

Theres that white switch my friend really liked it I personally didn't I think its ugly and it's just bigger bassicaly

[pallid flare]

white switch?

[orchid rune]

Also splatoon 3

The oled version

[nimble pebble]

It's basically just Switch XL

[tribal schooner]

i think the switch pro may end up jut being a pro dock that upscales the switchs

[pallid flare]

isnt the oled switch the switch pro

[nimble pebble]

I wouldn't mind that

[green kraken]

no point in oled if you play docked

[orchid rune]

Except the 3ds xl versions were cool

[nimble pebble]

Nah

[tranquil igloo]

i don't find switch a console i find it as a mini xbox

[nimble pebble]

That's not how it works but alright

[orchid rune]

Would a mini Xbox still be a console

[tranquil igloo]

[tribal schooner]

i think an upscaling dock makes sense since you dont really need to improve the switch hand held experience that much, and wouldnt be able to cheaply, but to upscale for a better tv and stuff, that seems doable

[pallid flare]

isn't a mini box a console

[orchid rune]

How much do you think crowsworn will cost

[pallid flare]

15€

[tranquil igloo]

a penny

[orchid rune]

@tranquil igloo not funny at all

[green kraken]

20-30 CAD 😦

[nimble pebble]

They were saying $15USD but that could change, they're not sure at this point in time

[orchid rune]

I think it will be like 20€

[tranquil igloo]

Hostile for no reason it was a joke

[orchid rune]

No it just wasn't funny

[pallid flare]

based

[orchid rune]

Not being hostile just not funny

[tribal schooner]

most indie games of that style are between 10 and 25 dollars, then there is ori at 30

[tranquil igloo]

:/

[orchid rune]

I mean the ori games are good they just have some problems with difficulty

Like the combat in wotw is stupid easy

[tribal schooner]

i have liked them fine but 30 seemed jsut a bit high to me for considerably less playtime than hk, or even moonlighter

[nimble pebble]

MR said $15USD and it will be that way unless something happens that causes them to raise the price

[orchid rune]

You can spam abilities and when you get more energy cells you can spam the spear that does a ton of area damage

Ori games are really beautiful tho

[tall hinge]

whats mr?

[nimble pebble]

Mongoose Rodeo

[orchid rune]

And fluid and the bash mechanic in the first game is great

[tall hinge]

oooh

[orchid rune]

What do you guys think about the kickstarter things like the anime cutscenes

[tranquil igloo]

The crow in crowsworn just looks like a crow in a tech suit with a red cloak over it.

[tall hinge]

yes

[orchid rune]

Tech suit? You mean the doctors from the plague times?

[nimble pebble]

CS reached funding to add more

[orchid rune]

CS?

[tranquil igloo]

No the crow just reminds me of iron man.

[tall hinge]

crowsworn

[pallid flare]

Counter Strike

[orchid rune]

Oh ok

[nimble pebble]

Tbh I think Dr. Sworn is just a dude ina plague doctor attire with a gun and scythe and appearently Corvian magic

~~Senki it's Crowsworn, I thought you'd get that from the conext ~~

[tall hinge]

dr sworn also has unknown gender

[tribal schooner]

i feel like their kickstarter had alot of success because of silksong and HK. like people want to give more now since they werent back then

[green kraken]

Crowns worn = CW 🙂

[nimble pebble]

Dr Sworn is a crow that's their gender

[nimble pebble]

True, but it's also just a cool looking game

[split cypress]

there is no gender only Crow

[tranquil igloo]

Don't crows have genders?

[tall hinge]

true

[green kraken]

crow sworn*

[tribal schooner]

also true

[nimble pebble]

There is no Gender only Crow

[tall hinge]

ye, its a joke

[orchid rune]

@nimble pebble I get it I just wanted to know if he was calling the doctor suit as tech suit

[split cypress]

"whats your gender" crow. "but whats in your pants" feather

[formal karma]

crows have two genders: covered in maggots and not covered in maggots

[nimble pebble]

I think they're calling it a mechanised plague doctor suit operated by a crow

[pallid flare]

Crow suit controlled by crow

[tranquil igloo]

@orchid rune it does look like it lmao.

[split cypress]

omg genderless ROBOT crow?? my favorite things

[orchid rune]

Like a tech suit or a plague doctor? You guys have to specify your messeges better@tranquil igloo

[tribal schooner]

wait its actually controled by a crow. i thought it was a man who was sworn to some crow power pact thing

[nimble pebble]

It's not a robot crow it's a robot OPERATED by a crow

[split cypress]

robot crow time

[pallid flare]

no he wears a crow costume so it's "crows worn"

[nimble pebble]

idk, we're just memeing

[orchid rune]

I wonder what the lore will be maybe there won't be any

[pallid flare]

there has to be lore

[serene chasm]

Crowsworn is all lore

[tranquil igloo]

@orchid rune just a battle tech suit you can use Not sure if that reloading gif was Real it looked like it was reloading its hands.

[split cypress]

the lore is that its Crow Time Babey!!

[tribal schooner]

oh ok, you guys were confusing me for a second. im not paying full attention to the caht at the moment

[pallid flare]

cat?

[tall hinge]

crow is wearing a plague doctor mask and a red robe, and has a scythe and 2 guns. theyre not reloading their hands

[nimble pebble]

Crow sworn the crow who swore and Crows worn nice boots he got the crow drip

[orchid rune]

Imagine he just takes some hands out of his pockets

[silver oak]

I mean Hollow Knight has no lore, so it would only make sense for silksong to also have no lore

[nimble pebble]

HK is Schrodingers lore

[orchid rune]

We are talking about CS but ok

[tranquil igloo]

Ducksworn

[tall hinge]

again, crow has no gender. dont call crow he

[stoic jacinth]

hasn't been confirmed yet by william so SS may still have lore. There's still hope.

[silver oak]

Oh sorry did not realize that

[orchid rune]

Np

[nimble pebble]

Crow is crow and does not care what you refer to it/hm/her as

[tall hinge]

[nimble pebble]

Crow simply want to be Crow and does not care about your social constructs

[pallid flare]

crow's pronouns are kra/kra

[nimble pebble]

[tall hinge]

caw/caw

[pallid flare]

american crow

[split cypress]

please respect kra pronouns

[tranquil igloo]

Do we actually know if its a crow.

[tall hinge]

yes

[nimble pebble]

I'll remember this for the rest of my life/ I'll murder you are their pronouns

[nimble pebble]

no yes

[tall hinge]

[orchid rune]

[tranquil igloo]

it just looks like a person in a plauge mask

[nimble pebble]

indeed

[pallid flare]

maybe definitely

[orchid rune]

[pallid flare]

where kra going

[orchid rune]

I'm just sending some nice emotes

[rotund lance]

Quando cazzo esce sto gioco?

[pallid flare]

HEY NO SWEARING

[orchid rune]

[split cypress]

uhm what is the crows name please time sensitive question

[pallid flare]

soon

[orchid rune]

[split cypress]

do they have a name yet

[tall hinge]

[orchid rune]

[rotund lance]

🤣

[orchid rune]

Did you join that server just to use the emotes XD@tall hinge

[nimble pebble]

Dr. Sworn, Crowey and Crowtagonist are the current popular fan names that MR also likes

[serene chasm]

Crownelius

[tall hinge]

yes

[orchid rune]

Ok no i checked it

[split cypress]

thank you both

[tall hinge]

i have to expand my emote vocabulary

[pallid flare]

[nimble pebble]

[sacred stratus]

ayo WTF

[tall hinge]

[signal crag]

what is happening here

[pallid flare]

it is dancing

[sacred stratus]

autism apparently

[tall hinge]

[signal crag]

honestly i shouldn't even ask this question anymore, what do i even expect

[charred zephyr]

sometimes we just collectively lose our minds as humans i guess

[pallid flare]

alsart you know us

[tribal schooner]

guys crowsworn didnt rip off HK it ripped off but they did rip off a game

[charred zephyr]

lose your marbles yeah ? Go positively bonkers yeah ? Go wild, Go foolish. Go wacky !

[orchid rune]

@signal crag we were talking about CS for some reason we started sending nice emotes

[pallid flare]

I sent and chat really liked that

[charred zephyr]

funni crow

[tribal schooner]

they ripped off

[charred zephyr]

goosesworn

[tall hinge]

[split cypress]

crowsworn and hollow knight? pretty sure they both ripped off yandere simulator

[tall hinge]

true

[charred zephyr]

oh god dont remind me of this mess

[nimble pebble]

Then don't talk about it

[tribal schooner]

i looked it up and i regret it

[charred zephyr]

i had the time to read "yandere dev" lmao

[split cypress]

i think i wrote a bad word oops

[charred zephyr]

yeah that happens

[nimble pebble]

If you don't want to be reminded of it why are you still talking about it

[tribal schooner]

i kinda wish gorb looked like this

[nimble pebble]

Sure why not

[charred zephyr]

because i dont really not want to not dont be reminded about it, isn't it obvious ?

[split cypress]

come chalice was zote inspo

thats what i wamted to say

[nimble pebble]

I had a stroke reading this

[charred zephyr]

no prob bob

ah come chalice, i said that too once here and got muted for a while

[nimble pebble]

Time to see if this is a negative or a double negative making it a positive

[charred zephyr]

have fun

[tribal schooner]

the first two nots cancel eachother so it would be i dont really want to dont(to not) be reminded about it

[tall hinge]

because i dont really not do want to not dont be reminded of it, isn't it obvious ?

[charred zephyr]

this man gets it

[tall hinge]

[tribal schooner]

did yall notice the platform in the back ground of one of the coral areas?

second 24 in the trailer. maybe we will see layers 2d spaces, on a 3 dimensional plain

[nimble pebble]

They are platforms

[tall hinge]

[nimble pebble]

HK is 2.5 D

[manic zenith]

its not like we never saw platforms in the background of the first game
oh wait....

[charred zephyr]

oh hey i remember you, i think

[manic zenith]

damn Im popular

time for getting donates I guess...

[signal crag]

Is a 3d environment created from 2d images

[signal crag]

Yep, that one
Is nothing new, really

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah there's just multiple layers, each a 2d image

[signal crag]

Even HK did that

[tribal schooner]

did we see platfroms in HK in the background i mean?

[charred zephyr]

ngl seeing how far we go to talk about ss is pretty incredible

[manic zenith]

yep

[signal crag]

maybe i'll go and take a screenshot

[stoic jacinth]

nothing new but it's nice to see how much the art design has stretched from HK to SS since HK was pretty rushed, so lots of far backgrounds have smudges and blank colors, but now it's much more detailed

[charred zephyr]

god i hope the platforming is gonna be with a lot of mechanics

[stoic jacinth]

i mean in that same place as the background platform there are some glowing flying bugs, glowing corals growing off the walls, lots of cool stuff

[tribal schooner]

i got your back , we will talk about silksong

[shy stirrup]

i know junk pit did that

[stoic jacinth]

i mean look at this there's so much more detail here than anywhere in HK

[shy stirrup]

you can see fungal in the back ground with those weird baloons overlayed

[tribal schooner]

i love the art in silksong. it so vibrant and detailed

[tribal schooner]

i mean just the grapple mechanic introduces alot to the table to consider when platforming

[signal crag]

and that was way back in the trailer, more than 2 years ago damn

[tribal merlin]

...and takes a lot of time to draw

[charred zephyr]

yeah but it takes up silk

[stoic jacinth]

y'know, looking back at the trailer for the first time in awhile, i wonder what this guy is

[charred zephyr]

oh hey it's rolan

[tribal schooner]

exactly

[tribal merlin]

potato sock head

[stoic jacinth]

it takes up exactly 1 hit of silk so if you hit an enemy with it it's free

[stoic jacinth]

I meant more the red lantern but he does look oddly similar to his friends for having a different lantern

[signal crag]

one of the new details that i really appreciate about Silksong...is that now most of the platforms now visibly look "connected" by something, instead of simply being
suspended in the air

[tribal schooner]

i wonder if tc will ever experiment with 3d games?

[tribal merlin]

hand drawn 3d game

[stoic jacinth]

yeah i mean this game had so much longer in the oven and it already looks incredible, i mean are you seeing this shit

the light flowing in from a cave above and the church (i assume) filled with light

[tribal schooner]

not impossible. they would have to make it a panorama view or something

[tall hinge]

true! that was one complaint that some people had of hollow knight, maybe they decided to take that into consideration when making ss

[signal crag]

not sure if by the point the trailer was made, it was already in longer dev than HK, but i doubt it

[tribal merlin]

yeah but I can already hear people whine "what's taking so long"

[stoic jacinth]

Development for SS started after HK launch, so February 2017

[tribal merlin]

not black and white like that

[devout vessel]

I’ve seen really cool hand drawn 3D art on insta and it would honestly be a rlly cool design for a game but idk if it would fit team cherry tone/ari’s art

[signal crag]

full development?
content packs were a thing to consider

[tribal merlin]

if you take a look at the wiki hk updates...

[devout vessel]

I feel like that 3D hand drawn would work for more like a “run ur own cafe and customize it/something of the sort” like a spiritfarer type game

[tall hinge]

it looks so pretty

[stoic jacinth]

SS probably took up the majority of their focus for most of the time, at least for the godmaster development period as godmaster was rushed out, most likely to be able to work on SS

[tribal merlin]

we have no information that tells us they worked on SS most of the time until final(ish) HK update...

that's just guessing and with the amount of work they still did on hk I'd say bad guessing

[signal crag]

i saw a screenshot of Graig mentioning that Godmaster was rushed to get to work on Silksong, but i'm not sure if it was fake

[tribal schooner]

thats fair. it would be cool, i dont really anticipate it but it would be super cool none the less

[coarse leaf]

yo guys, did anyone get apwot yet?

[stoic jacinth]

It would make sense with sly hitboxes (mainly great slash) and the "glorify charms" mechanic being cut

[silver oak]

Hey, long time no see! Also no I don't think so

[stoic jacinth]

"And Pwoarrrrrrowza! if this one hasn’t been a struggle to keep under-wraps! Hidden behind the scenes, Hornet’s gigantic adventure has been growing (and growing and growing!) for well over a year now, with the very first pieces coming together right after the original PC release of Hollow Knight on Feb 24th 2017."

[signal crag]

sly hitboxes are absolute trash, i'll give you that
but that cut mechanic could still be something it didn't quite fit for the game?

[tribal merlin]

nowhere does it say they spent most of their time on that...

[coarse leaf]

hi, yh i think it released, but idk if anyone here will upload the interview

[stoic jacinth]

My point is it would make sense, with godmaster being rushed to some degree and with it being started right after the game got released, meaning each content pack also was contending with SS for their time, and if it was that much of a priority there's a good chance it would be what they were working on for about half of their time

they would work on it a lot if they had to start it right after the game got released

[silver oak]

Yeah I seriously doubt they had as much done as it looked like they had done in Feb 2019

[tribal schooner]

i think thats reasonable. theres no way to know but one can suspect

[tribal merlin]

it would only make sense with godmaster since that's the point where their coder for SS joined the team

[tribal schooner]

speaking of. do you guys think the game will look like the demo when its finsihed? or do you think things will get mixed around a bit?

[silver oak]

They probably got some basic groundwork in structure and mechanics, heavily polished a few things for the trailer, and revealed the game

[stoic jacinth]

I'm not sure what your point is here, the game was being worked on at the same time as all the content packs, which means they most likely thought it needed a lot of time, which they would have given it

[silver oak]

I doubt it, I don't think there would be a boss less than ten minutes into the game

[coarse leaf]

yh i'd reckon they wouldn't rly change what they showed in the demo, seemed pretty solid

[silver oak]

It will probably look similar but be either larger and/or differently arranged

[coarse leaf]

yh true

[tribal schooner]

which they have given it, maybe not a ton to start but they have been hard at work on this game for years now

[tribal merlin]

my point is that there isn't a lot of progress on a game when the coder you want to use for it isn't there yet. They may have done enemy layouts (looks and behavior) or chased some ideas for areas/connections

[silver oak]

I do think the Moss Grotto bit will end with Hornet collapsing and that churchkeeper lady

[stoic jacinth]

there were some bugs in the demo that'll 100% be fixed (like hornet's model being stuck in the sprinting sprite sometimes), but yeah i do agree, those places looked pretty polished and i wouldn't be suprised if they didn't change much

[silver oak]

That seemed important to the game

[coarse leaf]

as long as they don't remove dave lol

[stoic jacinth]

That's fair

[tribal schooner]

thats what i meant. i dont think the art of each room will change or anything but maybe more rooms or the order of them will change

[silver oak]

Yeah stylistically, I think it will be almost exactly the same

[stoic jacinth]

I asked around a bit and surprisingly i don't think anyone killed dave in the demo/got footage of it happening which is sad

[signal crag]

Deep Docks got as slightly visual upgrade, it looks more rusty overall

[stoic jacinth]

he's hiding something, i know it

[tribal schooner]

they had a new coder but that doesnt mean they werent already coding themsleves. william knows some stuff. but yeah probably not a ton of progress

[silver oak]

Yeah things will definitely look more detailed/polished, but more or less the same

[silver oak]

Maybe they made him unkillable for the demo

[tribal merlin]

"william knows some stuff" is quite different from somebody who really knows how to code and knows unity specifics

[silver oak]

Infinite health pool crap

[stoic jacinth]

The footage I can see is people hitting him once, getting hit for 2 masks, and running away

[signal crag]

didn't graig or someone else mentioned he was, in fact, possible to kill?
just very hard and kind of unfair, given the room

[silver oak]

cowards

[signal crag]

limited time to play the demo

[stoic jacinth]

they have good survival instincts

[pallid flare]

i would've shown dave

[silver oak]

I also have my doubts about whether dave will still be there in the final game

[vocal orchid]

I remember graig saying that you could kill dave

[silver oak]

sarcasm

[tribal schooner]

aaah yes yes the endless difficulty of coding. you mention this like every time you are on. i think maybe you should give a little more credit to TC right

[coarse leaf]

eh, graig lies alot tho

[pallid flare]

depends on how much you trust graig

[tribal merlin]

first of all I made money with coding for over 14 years and had to deal with a lot of code written by people who "knew some stuff".
then TC themselves don't list "coding" as part of Williams role in the team

[tall hinge]

never trust graig

[vocal orchid]

it's kind of stupid to lie about whether or not you can kill a bug

[coarse leaf]

i think its more a matter of not being able to disclose anything ss related

idk when he said it tho, he may have been honest

[dry valley]

hornet silk song

[silver oak]

found the origin of dave #sk-discussion message

[pallid flare]

I still wish someone had killed him

[tribal schooner]

im not saying its not difficult but you use your expeiriance to suggest you have a better idea of when this game is coming out or how far in develoment it is. when really no one knows

[coarse leaf]

damn, didn't realise i related so hard to dave lol

[tribal schooner]

same

[tribal merlin]

I never said how far in development it is or that I know any better when it's coming out. Whenever I talk about it it's with people who think "it could come out tomorrow" or "it looks so polished they must be done" or "what's taking so long"

[tall hinge]

i think someone who knows how to code in unity knows better than someone who doesnt know how to code in unity, not by much, but it does make a difference

by knows better i mean approximating development time

[tribal merlin]

the dev time can't be guessed since we know nothing about the problems they encounter and how hard those would be to solve or what else they want to implement

[tall hinge]

yeah but you know what i mean

[tribal merlin]

yeh

[tall hinge]

i just dont have the word for what i mean

[tribal schooner]

ok my bad.

[tribal merlin]

if you put your mind to it you can probably learn to use unity to make "stuff that works" in a short amount of time, like 3-6 weeks, but learning how to make stuff that runs efficiently takes a lot more time than that, think 1-2 years at least

[tribal schooner]

definitely. im not saying jack wasnt necessary just that they could have made some progress before he got on

[tribal merlin]

and to make a product that doesn't randomly crash, eat up your RAM or displays all sorts of unwanted behavior you definitely need to make it run efficiently

[tall hinge]

[umbral gazelle]

good evening

how many people have asked for apwot information

[tribal merlin]

nobody has asked about it here. ever

[tall hinge]

a good few

[fading lagoon]

Is there a new speculation?

[tall hinge]

about what?

20k less lets go

[fading lagoon]

Anything about SS, like if it’s gonna be announced in an event

[tribal schooner]

with a program like unity though. is not like you do every piece of the game writing code by scratch or anything. alot of effects and things are already present and just need modification. not to say that doesnt take time still and that it isnt difficult. but it would take less time than typing out the code yourself

[tall hinge]

nope

[tribal merlin]

if you custom-tailor the engine to your needs you'll still write a good heap of code. then they'll probably have a dev editor that lets ari and will add and test stuff without needing to hit Jack up every time and that also needs to be adjusted/written as they go

[tribal schooner]

i think ari really likes drawing benches. like all ive seen are unique and there are like 100 of them in silksong

[tribal schooner]

oh, i was not aware

[signal crag]

at least, it's possible he designed around 100 benches, but maybe not all of them will be used in game?

[tribal merlin]

most of those benches stand in Graig's garden

[tribal schooner]

so true. the guy likes his furniture

[signal crag]

i can respect that

[coarse leaf]

yh having each bench be unique is a rly nice touch

[tribal schooner]

it shows alot of passion for the game. these guys clearly want to give everything they want in the game, they dont seem to like sacrifices at all.

hopefully their scopecreep doesnt get too out of hand. if they ditched silksong it would be heart breaking. i doubt it though

[stoic jacinth]

They said it was controlled so i hope they stick to that

[signal crag]

#sk-discussion message

"And as some assurance: We’re not just randomly building things without an end in site. We know how this story unfolds and as much as we add, our intent is always to evoke the feeling of exploring a vast, surprising new world; one that matches (or exceeds) the scale and diversity of the original game."
from last blogpost

[tribal schooner]

im not worried personally

[tall hinge]

[signal crag]

so yeah, we'll have to start with the assumption that they know what they are doing

so extra ideas that might make the game too big for it's own good could either being reserved for DLCs
or for another game in a later time

[tall hinge]

very true

[stark prism]

yeah i think they are trying to make the DLCs part of the main game

[tribal schooner]

i wouldnt mind dlc coming out later tho. the extra content being broken up was a nice reason to come back and play

[formal karma]

i am down to clown with whole areas, even, being added as DLC

[hollow sedge]

another DLC that turns into a game would be a pleasant surprise

[tribal schooner]

i would love an area inside the greatshell added in HK

[formal karma]

oooooh, yea

[manic zenith]

Lace gam
Lace gaming

[tribal schooner]

there is a perfect hole to enter inside, even if it ended up being a dream enterance

[shy stirrup]

Happy 920th day since reveal

[tribal schooner]

yay

[quasi drift]

b

[shy stirrup]

hoping we can get to a 1000

[signal crag]

3 years, c'mon

[hollow sedge]

we def will get to 1000

thats only uhh 2 and a half months?

[tribal schooner]

thats 2 more months of a wait. i want it sooner if i can get it

[stoic jacinth]

I mean if you go off when they apparently started making the first bits of Silksong it's been 1,640 days

[tall hinge]

[hollow sedge]

#sk-discussion message

[tall hinge]

[tribal schooner]

hes suddenly honest hahahahaha

[barren roost]

doesn't he say that every direct?

[tall hinge]

[tribal schooner]

does he?

[hollow sedge]

some directs, idk

[tall hinge]

but dont take graig too seriously

[pallid flare]

he did say that for the last direct

you're better than this

[tribal schooner]

im not convinced we will see the date announced at a direct. they announced everything else on their own

[barren roost]

people take graig seriously?

[versed hull]

Does anyone know when the next direct is

[tall hinge]

yooo

[hollow sedge]

why the @ bruh

[tribal schooner]

nothing he says here, my chats with him in private have been very insightful for me tho

[tall hinge]

because they were talking about it today

[hollow sedge]

ohh ok lmao

[tribal schooner]

supposedly september

[versed hull]

So not far off

[hollow sedge]

usually its september but idk covid messed things up

[tall hinge]

september seems really early

we had one like a month ago didnt we? with metroid dread and other stuff that i didnt care about

maybe it was 2 months

[hollow sedge]

the e3 direct?

[tall hinge]

oooh that was e3 youre right

still 2 directs 3 months apart seems extremely unlikely

[hollow sedge]

yeah very large audience

[tall hinge]

unless theyve done this consistently over the years

[marsh ibex]

This summer

[tall hinge]

june

[hollow sedge]

usually they do a e3 direct then a direct in september

[formal karma]

worthy? maybe. likely? not at all

[tall hinge]

hmmm then it can happen

[hollow sedge]

they didnt do it last year though, there was no directs cuz of covid

[formal karma]

personally i think Team Cherry is 100% capable of releasing Silksong all by themselves to great success and all the "yea but nintendo would be great exposure" doesn't even merrit response

[tall hinge]

i agree

[tribal schooner]

they have. with 2020 being an exception

[stoic jacinth]

it's the 3rd most wishlisted game on steam they don't need nintendo exposure

[hollow sedge]

there was a september direct in 2017, 2018 and 2019

[formal karma]

6th, but yes exactly my point

[wooden charm]

TC would steal the spotlight if it were in a direct 😆

[stoic jacinth]

i guess that info is outdated then

[hollow sedge]

depends on what is in it

[stoic jacinth]

but the principle still applies

[wooden charm]

maybe

[stoic jacinth]

Definitely possible, maybe probable

[formal karma]

double? i dunno about that, there's plenty of people that picked up HK that never even played it

[tribal schooner]

they dont need it but leth has mentioned being open to using it if the offer was made

[vivid belfry]

lifetime sales will probably be similar, first few month sales are gonna be absolutely incomparable

[tribal schooner]

i think its possible. it looks far better than Hk and frankly HK has all but completely stolen teh genre of metroidvania sooo

[hollow sedge]

its been a minute since we've seen full on gameplay, except for a few GIFs

[mental cypress]

Silksong is the only thing on my steam wishlist lol

[tribal schooner]

even the gifs were a year ago

[wooden charm]

imagine if peeps compare metroid dread to hollow knight

[marsh ibex]

well yeah. They’re working on the game

[mental cypress]

Metroid dread will hopefully satiate my need for metroidvanias until SS comes out

[marsh ibex]

also I recently watched a vid on Silksong’s chunky wait and I think it encapsulates TC’s feelings on constant updates

[hollow sedge]

they are?

[tribal schooner]

i mean HK sold 3 million, or just shy, while Metroid has never sold more than 6 million if i remember correctly. tho dread may be the exception of that. its got plenty of hype behind it

[serene chasm]

I have 73 things on my wishlist

[marsh ibex]

Yeah

What indicates the idea they aren’t working on the game?

[wooden charm]

the highest selling metroid sold less than hollow knight

tho that was back in 2002 so

[tribal schooner]

this phrase is why HK has all but completely stolen metroidvanias. we are all just playing the rest of these games to help fill up before the main course that is silksong

[marsh ibex]

which is exactly why people need to fucking buy dread

I am not having the metroid series go into limbo AGAIN

fun game

[tribal schooner]

it wont go into limbo it will go extinct

[wooden charm]

the e x p l o r a t i o n

[marsh ibex]

being a metroidvania title

[wooden charm]

a t m o s p h e r e

[marsh ibex]

samus good character

[mental cypress]

I am genuinely exited for the new metroid game, but not in the same way as SS

[wooden charm]

not as prominent as HK, but there is lore

[serene chasm]

Also that 3 mil was back in early 2019. Its probably even more now

[wooden charm]

yeppers

[tribal schooner]

dread actually looks great im pretty excited for it. tho not like silksong. i feel like the combat is too different to compare for me, and i think i will like HK combat better. i like sword combat better than guns. thos guns are still super dope

[wooden charm]

cuz samus has gun lol

[mental cypress]

Yeah, i really enjoy the close combat of HK

[hollow sedge]

the hype for Dread is crazy, metroid prime 4 bouta blow up the internet when it gets fully revealed

[tribal schooner]

yep over 3 million now. though i cant find an exact number

[marsh ibex]

probably

it’s a wiki they’re always updating shit

[wooden charm]

you don't play metroid for the combat admittedly, but the exploration is a definite key feature as standard

[hollow sedge]

exploration is the best part for metriodvanias imo

i cant wait to see what secret areas there are in silksong

[tribal schooner]

i like the emi mechanic too. the running from a foe you cant beat is cool

which is weird cause its pretty simple. though to be honest i think its because ari's art makes it feel really crisp

[wooden charm]

you can destroy the EMMI, but only in certain situations with the omega cannon

[marsh ibex]

they have to keep the site running, do updates, fix pages, more stuff

Running a wiki is pretty time consuming

[wooden charm]

plus, HK has excellent boss battles that require quick and precise reflexes

with certain exceptions of course

[tribal schooner]

markoth acsended

[tall hinge]

all the dream warriors would like to have a word with you

same they all had bullshit mechanics imo

[wooden charm]

xero is alright too

[tribal schooner]

i done mind mr who or whatever his name is. but markoth ascended i hate

[tall hinge]

lol i also forgot his name

not xero

[silver oak]

Elder hu?

[tall hinge]

yea

even pogo forgot him it didnt even cross his mind

[tribal schooner]

xero is forgetable, marmu is more forgettable though. i dont mind gallien either

[wooden charm]

the dream bosses aren't supposed to be "fair", as they're very much gimmick fights

[tall hinge]

yep, and that sucks

[wooden charm]

oh frick gallien and his stupid jank scythe

[tribal schooner]

then take them out of p5, stupid markoth with his floorless room

[tall hinge]

most of the dream bosses are annoying rather than challenging to do radiant, and thats not a good sign

[tribal schooner]

elder hu is easy imo

[tall hinge]

most of the hits you take feel like bullshit instead of your own fault

[wooden charm]

dunno if TC tested radiant dream bosses at all??

[tribal schooner]

i have to be really carful with him

[tall hinge]

yeah

[wooden charm]

like were they in a hurry to start silksong development

[coarse leaf]

most of the time he hits next to you if you move then stay still, then you can heal

[tall hinge]

they were all backer bosses so that could have affected it

[formal karma]

man even though it had nothing to do with SIlksong, I still thought that we'd see more from APWOT in here since it apparently dropped

[wooden charm]

the magezine?

[silver oak]

Idk if many people bought it

[tall hinge]

it arrived in the uk earlier today

[silver oak]

They also may still be shipping

[tall hinge]

thats all i know

[formal karma]

oooh the UK, i guess that makes sense

[tribal schooner]

markoths sheild?

[tall hinge]

ah that was a few days ago i guess my memory is bad

markoth's weapon is the worst object in the game

[tribal schooner]

i disagree when it start randomly changing rotation in the middle

[barren roost]

apwot 2?
Electric boogaloo?

[tall hinge]

they perfectly target you no matter what

[languid linden]

Anyone here rn in the UK

[tribal schooner]

or they just spawn on top of you

[formal karma]

i mean.... we're in another kingdom

[tall hinge]

who did you mean to reply to?

[tall hinge]

ooooh this one

oh

because they had the interview in january and they said it was about team cherry and hungry knight, stuff like that, not about silksong

maybe, but it would most likely be out of date by now

[tribal schooner]

ill take what ever i can get

how mad would everyone be if the knight or hornet was the last smash character

[manic zenith]

some mad, some not

[devout vessel]

Nooo there would be a lot of people mad, its the smash fandom and its the last dlc character

[vivid belfry]

hornet and the knight would both be anime sword wielders

-animated
-made in the eastern hemsiphere
anime

[marsh ibex]

it would get people tilted

you remember when Terry came out and people were like “who the fuck is this”

[tribal schooner]

knowing sakurai the last character will be master hand or just a character crafter thing. that would be dope if you could just make your own character

[devout vessel]

Well anything will get them tilted
They’ll add walugi and people will STILL be mad

[tribal schooner]

thats how i responded more or less to the last character

[barren roost]

I still don't know

[vivid belfry]

on the other hand, every single nintendo direct doesn't have people begging for news about king of fighters in the chat

[tribal schooner]

ngl i would hate waluigi to be the last character

[marsh ibex]

to be fair

Nintendo doesn’t make KoF games

[devout vessel]

Honestly same but ive never wanted him to begin with and the absurd amount of length people will go to for a character is just making me less amused

[tribal schooner]

are you saying that HK deserves a fighter cause everyone wants to hear about silksong?

[devout vessel]

Imagine saying “who asked for this” when steve fucking minecraft got added

[tribal schooner]

i said that

[vivid belfry]

no I'm saying the HK main cast are not as unknown as terry brogart

[tribal schooner]

i was genuinely shocked

[pallid flare]

who's terry?

[tribal schooner]

ok gotcha. we have gotten so many streetfighterish character recently its been kinda disappointing. if you want to play street fighter then go play streetfighter

[vivid belfry]

terry your arms off gottem

[pallid flare]

come on

[tribal schooner]

i would have liked, spryo, crash, tk, shadow, shante, masterchief, doomguy, impa, midna, master hand, geno to name a few

[vivid belfry]

Terry from king of fighters as he appears in super smash brothers ultimate

[orchid rune]

Yeah I hated terry

It just isn't cool at least Kazuya has enormous combos by mashing a

[shy stirrup]

I like terry a lot

I don’t care go gets in I like all of them

[serene patrol]

Speaking of kazuya any tekken players here?

[valid sable]

I like Terry, he's 100x more my style of character than Kazuya, but I hate Terry's two side specials

[shy stirrup]

I’m happy at this point with whatever. This games been amazing and I’ll be fine with whatever sakurai chooses as the final dlc

[languid linden]

I'm pretty neutral on terry

Considering I have no idea who he is

[orchid rune]

Also they could add waluigi as like a bonus fighter sorta like how they did with pirana plant

[shy stirrup]

Peraphs

[tribal schooner]

i actually like terry quite a bit but the streetfighter thing is getting an overkill. not as bad as fire emblem but......

[orchid rune]

I main joker byleth and robin what about u guys

[serene chasm]

Waluigi will never be in smash

[shy stirrup]

I doubt it since Sakurai said like 3 times that the next character is final

[orchid rune]

I like the fire emblem characters don't kill me

[shy stirrup]

Well it’s only like 3.5 characters. Smash wouldn’t exist without those games so I think they deserve it

[serene chasm]

• stabs *

[tribal schooner]

fair enough

[orchid rune]

I liked byleth a lot

Definetely better then Terry min min and banjoo Kazooie

I didn't like banjoo neither

[shy stirrup]

Fun fact: one of sakurai s inspiration for making smash a game for everyone was that he kicked a couples ass in king of fighters and felt bad for kicking their ass

[valid sable]

I like the Fire Emblem people, but I want more unique ones like Corrin, not Marth 2 or Roy 2 or "I have four weapons, that totally makes me unique"

[pallid flare]

curly you can't say that

[orchid rune]

I also wanted like the specter from shovel knight

[serene chasm]

why not? you know its true

[pallid flare]

this won't stop me from believing in it

[orchid rune]

You missed the chance to make the you can't read meme

[marsh ibex]

Byleth is unique though?

they don’t play like the other FE characters at all?

[tall hinge]

true

[valid sable]

They feel half plain and normal, half unique.

[orchid rune]

Like the byleth up b thing is quite fun

Not as good for combos as jokers

Also hero has a cool mechanic

The thing is that it relies to much on rng

[coarse leaf]

all those hollow knight inspired metrovanias will fill the hole in my heart where silksong was suppose to be

[valid sable]

which ones

[shy stirrup]

The only one I can think of is crows worm

[coarse leaf]

This is where we do a bit of piracy (yay) and mod the game through Yuzu or something

[coarse leaf]

and markoth IS cool

[valid sable]

no ur cool

[tribal schooner]

markoth is cool. markoth ascended sucks

[hollow sedge]

hornet will be the final dlc character

[serene chasm]

It will be revealed that all the current smash characters are being changed into SS characters and Smash becomes SS

[tribal schooner]

nice

im very excited for this boss

he looks dope

[craggy shuttle]

It's a trailer rewatch kind of day

[tribal schooner]

yep, im at work by myself waiting to close. so lets rewatch a trailer or two. oh wait we only have the one

[serene chasm]

waiting to close is always the worst part

[tribal schooner]

yup

[serene chasm]

retail I assume?

[tribal schooner]

i work at a recreation center. not too busy on a sunday so we dont have any staff except myself

[orchid rune]

Can we talk about the moss effects when hornet walks

[serene chasm]

squuuuiiiish

[orchid rune]

They are so fucing good

Also I want to hear hornet stepping on concrete stone like in minecraft

Or the palaces like floors

The sound of hornet on sand would be terrible tho

[untold inlet]

i remember when tc made that tweet about "the first look at hornet's new adventure" there was some comment saying something along the lines of "you can thank me guys, i just finished the pantheon of hallownest for the first time as this dropped"

and now i have this weird notion that if i finally beat poh something will happen then

[silver oak]

Even in the first room of the game, the background and foreground are moving

[tribal schooner]

i feel responsible now

[silver oak]

Heyyy, a fellow P5 struggler

[formal kindle]

So there's my gf's little brother that said he feels like silksong is gonna be published in about some days

[analog lily]

Hello, I assume there was no SS news while I was away for 2 days?

[pallid flare]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[silver oak]

So um my great grandfather is Team Cherry actually, and he said it would be out in exactly 17.4 hours

[formal kindle]

Doubt

[silver oak]

I too, believe Silksong will be published in some days.

[tribal merlin]

I also believe it's gonna be published on a day

[analog lily]

I can almost confirm that SS will be out by the end of 2022

[untold inlet]

my irl friend thinks ss's release is gonna be some duke nukem forever type thing

[silver oak]

Nah, it'll probably come out on a week

[pallid flare]

confirm?

[analog lily]

Almost

[serene chasm]

my imaginary friend told me that silksong will come out next month

[pallid flare]

by what?

[analog lily]

by my logic I guess

[pallid flare]

the guy in my closet said "tomorrow", what does this mean, boys?

[tribal merlin]

imagine SS comes out but it's so big it takes a week to install

[silver oak]

I think it means you should go on a lot of errands tomorrow

[analog lily]

[formal kindle]

In my opinion the release date will be leaked before november

[pallid flare]

leaked by whom?

[silver oak]

"Leaked" as in someone will get it without TC's permission?

Cuz that's normally what leaked means

[analog lily]

Maybe Leth will say something about SS soon

[formal kindle]

Leaked in terms of not tba anymore on steam store

Official release date

[silver oak]

So, the word for that situation is "revealed"

[tribal merlin]

yes Leth will say "you little shits there's not gonna be any news at event X now shut the fuck up and let me poop goddammit"

[formal kindle]

Yeah

[silver oak]

Get off my property!

[analog lily]

Or there might be news at Gamescon, or Pax Australia?

[silver oak]

Correct, there might

There also might not

[pallid flare]

here's the gif

[tribal merlin]

like I enjoy saying at the moment, there will indeed be news at Ganescon

[hollow sedge]

when tc revealed silksong it wasnt on a nintendo direct right?

[silver oak]

No just on it's own

[analog lily]

There were multiple trailers, though the first was on it's own

[silver oak]

They've literally been in a direct one time, and never for silksong

[silver oak]

The hell? There's one trailer

[fringe lintel]

Glad to see this chat alive and well after another year

[tribal merlin]

it was a message to their backers more or less and those guys are mainly on PC, so revealing at a nintendo event would have been like shitting down their supporter's hearing canals

[analog lily]

One trailer on it's own

[fringe lintel]

Bless all your hollowed souls

[analog lily]

The other's at E3 or something

[silver oak]

Every year we grow more cynical

[analog lily]

Or maybe Indie World'?

[silver oak]

Silksong has never been at a direct

[marsh ibex]

oh yeah

[fringe lintel]

If tc was going to announce anything I'd expect it to just be to YouTube, don't really see the point in any of the events anymore as an independent since they're all online anyways

[marsh ibex]

are you referring to that bell pogoing thing

[serene chasm]

Hell. HK has never been at one. Unless you count e3

[silver oak]

Well, Voidheart was announced at a direct iirc

[serene chasm]

It wouldnt have been. Voidheart was the PS4/Xbone version.

[silver oak]

"Trailer"

Ok so HK did launch on Switch before Godmaster came out so you're right

[silver oak]

Where do you think this is?

[serene chasm]

Im thinking its part of the Marrow

[hollow sedge]

i need to see more mantis bugs in silksong

[fleet temple]

if there are they probably won't be from the mantis tribe

[serene chasm]

Orchid Mantis Tribe

[tribal merlin]

they are also mantis but evolved independently

[marsh ibex]

Bell Hell

[analog lily]

Unfortunately, there will probably be little if not no bugs from HallowNest in SS. This is mainly because that good sequels to games don't rely on old content, but make new characters and new places independently.

[marsh ibex]

pop silksong equivalent

[analog lily]

Who else other than Hornet?

[hollow sedge]

i meant the same species

[tribal merlin]

Mr Mushroom

[analog lily]

maybe but probably not

[fleet temple]

i think the closest thing to the mantis tribe would be the ants

[tribal merlin]

wait are you telling me you don't know who Mr Mushroom is?

[serene chasm]

Cant wait for the ants to bow at us

[analog lily]

no since when is MM in SS?

[tribal merlin]

aaaand back to playing HK you go

[fleet temple]

ehh i could see maybe an npc or two being a mantis but with no connections to the tribe

[tribal merlin]

Mr Mushroom will be an easter egg in every TC game
confirmed by myself personally all on my own

[fleet temple]

Source: Trust me bro

[haughty brook]

I don't expect anything in SS so the surprises are much better, at least for me.

[analog lily]

I'm not sure about that, as I said before MM would probably not be in SS

[serene chasm]

I can see Mr. Mushroom being a reoccurring character

[fleet temple]

that took my brain about 5 seconds to register before i understood what you meant lol

[fleet temple]

yeah, i don't see why not

[hollow sedge]

hopepfully there are some pale beings in silksong as well

[fleet temple]

i think pale beings are just a title given to Pk and WL but i got that from #hk-lore sooooo....

[hollow sedge]

isnt Hornet technically half pale

[fleet temple]

she is half wyrm

[reef scarab]

I think the ants are kind of an equivalent to that

[analog lily]

Well the PK is technically half worm, half pale

[tribal merlin]

the ants could have tunnels to every area in Pharloom and open up some kind of fast travel once you beat them

[fleet temple]

What even is "pale" in this discussion?

[hollow sedge]

arent wyrms pale beings idk

[analog lily]

So hornet is 25% Wyrm and 25% Pale being and 50% Spider?

[analog lily]

A pale being

[fleet temple]

idk what a pale being even is?

[hollow sedge]

the pale king isnt that pale?

[nimble radish]

pk is a wyrm that is also pale because that's what colour he is

[analog lily]

well they are what PK is. His species

[tribal merlin]

not tanned

[hollow sedge]

a being made out of pale

[fleet temple]

ok, although #hk-lore disagrees but apparently everyone hates #hk-lore so i guess it's his species

[frank sparrow]

[analog lily]

or maybe not his species, but like his family or greater family?

[fleet temple]

well i heard that it's just a title given to the pale king and white lady bug the bugs of hallownest or themselves idk

[tribal merlin]

or maybe it's more like a trait or a title

[nimble radish]

both pk and white lady are pale beings so species seems off

[tribal merlin]

well, imma snail myself then

[analog lily]

Yeah so i guess this means that PB are just wyrms. So then Hornet is 50%Wyrm and 50% Spider

[fleet temple]

well they are at least higher beings

[nimble radish]

I think it's a title given to them because they are literally pale

[fleet temple]

0% void

[hollow sedge]

would it be possible for there to be Wyrms in silksong

[analog lily]

yes, if you say Hornet is a Void, you get sacrificed to TC.

[fleet temple]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

it's certantly a possibility

[hollow sedge]

unless they were stated to be extinct or something

[balmy carbon]

why would hornet ever be void

[fleet temple]

i think they are extinct actually

[analog lily]

She isn't never was, never will be

[nimble radish]

bardoon says "with it's like gone" or something in reference to pk so yeah wyrms are probably extinct

[balmy carbon]

i doubt wyrms would be in ss

[serene chasm]

how about worms in SS

[fleet temple]

although i don't think we will see one in ss, people mainly think so because of the false assumption that you need wyrms to make thriving civilisations

[balmy carbon]

extinct or not

[fleet temple]

we might get a small mention at most

[analog lily]

I think Wyrms are the equivalent of worms in HallowNest and maybe even in Farloom.

[balmy carbon]

yes, the offbrand, worms.

[haughty brook]

Again, my philosphy is just don't expect anything in SS from the previous game (apart from Hornet and Weavers) and let the actual suprises surprise you.

[fleet temple]

and we don't talk about wirms

[analog lily]

Yep like bells and cults

[balmy carbon]

wrums will be the ss equivalent

[fleet temple]

wrumm

[tribal merlin]

würm

[marsh ibex]

wyrms are pretty much implied to be extinct by bardoon

“with its like gone, the world is a smaller place”

[balmy carbon]

i mean i thought wyrms were kinda powerful, that's a bit stupid to die out like that

[hollow sedge]

we dont know what the cause was though

[balmy carbon]

yes true

[fleet temple]

well maybe it's not that wyrms are extinct, but rather all of them have changed form like pk

[fleet temple]

werm

[tribal merlin]

zote accidentally deleted them

[balmy carbon]

i mean aren't they still technically wyrms?

[haughty brook]

I mean, its a mythological thing for powerful beings to die and give "birth" to something else. Also, just because they were powerful, they weren't near-invinsible. This ain't Dragon Ball Z.

[fleet temple]

true but maybe people don't know that they're still alive because there big forms are still dead but idk i could be wrong

[balmy carbon]

oh alr

[fleet temple]

again it's just a possibility

[languid linden]

They're still Wyrms

[nimble radish]

yeah but bardoon talks about them like separate entities, he could mean only big wyrms are gone

[fleet temple]

plus, if you didn't know, would you think pk in his bug form to be wyrm?

[languid linden]

You probably wouldn't know what a Wyrm is

[fleet temple]

exactly

[languid linden]

The bugs of Hallownest thought he created the whole world. I highly doubt they knew that there were others like him

[languid linden]

Knowing that bug-form PK isn't a Wyrm =/= he's not a wyrm anymore

[fleet temple]

ok?

[hollow sedge]

there was supposedly a Blackwyrm as well

[languid linden]

Possibly

[hollow sedge]

got it from the wiki idk if its confirmed*

[fleet temple]

yeah

[nimble pebble]

White defender says that

[languid linden]

Or "Blackwyrm" is some location/battle tactic/faction/idk

[nimble pebble]

Or well in his journal entry

[fleet temple]

pehaps but my headcanon is an actual wyrm

[languid linden]

Yeah maybe

[fleet temple]

but either way i don't think there'll be wyrms in ss

[hollow sedge]

yeah probably not

[fleet temple]

it be kind of anticlimactic to find out the origins of pharloom was just "another wyrm again"

[hollow sedge]

they seem to be extinct, there will def be some higher beings in silksong though just not a wyrm

[nimble pebble]

^

[stoic jacinth]

well it's possible it's a wyrm responsible for the haunting, but knowing TC they'll be a bit more creative than that

[fleet temple]

oh yeah, maybe a HB connected to songs instead of dreams like in hk

[hollow sedge]

i was thinking a lifeblood higher being

[fleet temple]

there kind of already is one

[hollow sedge]

there is? wut

[fleet temple]

in the abyss

[stoic jacinth]

And godhome, which is the reason it may be a higher being

[fleet temple]

it's a very small detail i wouldn't blame you for missing it

[languid linden]

Yeah the LBB

[fleet temple]

although i wonder if lifeblood cocoons will return or if there will be some other way to get it

[languid linden]

We don't know what it can do, other than pop into Godhome without the Godseeker noticing

[hollow sedge]

ah i see, seems like TC can explore lifeblood a little more in silksong

[stoic jacinth]

Well it might reprise a similar role in SS, the lifeblood syringe looks to work similar to lifeblood in HK

[sweet lotus]

hello fellow Silksong anticipators

[hollow sedge]

if theres lifeblood in silksong then im guessing those lifeblood beings will probably appear again

[stoic jacinth]

It's possible

the lifeblood creature has pretty much nothing about it told in HK so maybe we'll see more of it in SS

that'd imply it can travel kingdoms though so who knows

[balmy carbon]

there would probably be a replacement for lifeblood

[brittle garnet]

maybe there are more than one Lifeblood creature

[hollow sedge]

maybe we'll see this thingy again

[stoic jacinth]

There's a lifeblood syringe in the trailer so it's guaranteed to appear to some degree

[balmy carbon]

yes but i don't think it will work like it did in HK

[hollow sedge]

its called the Abyss creature on wiki

its massive lmao

[stoic jacinth]

As in it appearing in cocoons or how you can't focus it back?

or in hornet's case bind it back

[balmy carbon]

both

well, obviously u would never be able to bind/focus back

[stoic jacinth]

So just the first

[balmy carbon]

so just cocoons yes

and the fact they're just around the world kinda

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah it's possible they'd want to mix it up, and we don't see any lifeblood cocoons in the full demo but it's possible they're not added yet or are in areas that were locked off in the demo

[languid linden]

That's what we were talking about

[balmy carbon]

it would get a bit too boring and repetitive if it's just the same as in HK

[stoic jacinth]

I mean lifeblood isn't exactly a centralizing mechanic, i'd be alright with just having it again

[analog lily]

There might be some alternative, like that weird Bone Mask in some of the answers for the riddle's.

[hollow sedge]

other then the syringe have we seen anything else lifeblood related

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah the bone mask is odd

it looked cracked but that might just be a style choice

[analog lily]

I could actually be either a weaker mask, or stronger one.

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah it could be like 2 lifeblood masks at once but I think that it'd be better to just give you 2 lifeblood masks

[analog lily]

Or the mask might be the effect of a one of the tools or those other things

Like the yellow, red and blue ones

[stoic jacinth]

I think if it's going to be something related to tools, it'd be a crest

[fleet temple]

oh, no, it's a tools discussion

[stoic jacinth]

maybe a passive effect but again i think it'd be a crest

[brittle garnet]

the mask probably protects your last health point from damage

[shy stirrup]

Why not just give you an extra hit point

[analog lily]

you know who there are red, yellow and blue things on the crest, the bone mask might be the affect of one of those

[stoic jacinth]

oh yeah that'd explain why it's on the last mask

[brittle garnet]

and it's probably a tool

[fleet temple]

you're a tool

[brittle garnet]

[analog lily]

[pallid flare]

depressed zote

[analog lily]

Now where did you get that emoji

[fleet temple]

UNZOTE

[brittle garnet]

from another server

[analog lily]

That ain't your regular Zote

[fleet temple]

that zote is an imposter || ||

[analog lily]

When the Zote is sus

[warm bone]

[fleet temple]

i need that bean emote

[tall hinge]

its from official among us server

[balmy carbon]

they should make among us where zote is just the impostor out of the vessels

[fleet temple]

no, the imposter is nosk

[balmy carbon]

idk im tired

[pallid flare]

there is an impostor skin

[balmy carbon]

no, it's you

[analog lily]

There are 2 imposters, nosk and winged nosk

[fleet temple]

[tall hinge]

omg thats disgusting, where?

[analog lily]

[balmy carbon]

imagine being charged by 3 nosks

[tall hinge]

[rapid topaz]

Also abyss is full of crewmates ig

[pallid flare]

i dont know but hunt used it in the tacocup

[analog lily]

the vessels are the crewmates

[fleet temple]

and the third one is huntress

[tall hinge]

[fleet temple]

the silksong speedruns are gonna be insane

[vagrant umbra]

This says a lot about the crippling donor to receiver ratio in kidney transplants.

[tall hinge]

yess im 100% gonna speedrun silksong if i enjoy it enough

[balmy carbon]

who do u think is gonna speedrun it first

[fleet temple]

||dodododooooo||

[barren roost]

[tall hinge]

graig already has the wr

[analog lily]

[tall hinge]

[fleet temple]

[analog lily]

[fleet temple]

imposter gang?

[analog lily]

[barren roost]

:lurknosk:

[balmy carbon]

not out of the devs or testers

[analog lily]

[tall hinge]

me

[fleet temple]

fireman

[analog lily]

[languid linden]

Pest

[analog lily]

[fleet temple]

you are dead

[analog lily]

that is why we spam emoji's, to revive it

[fleet temple]

not big surprise

[sage berry]

I wish

[tall hinge]

[analog lily]

[fleet temple]

i want to pat a flea from ss

[pallid flare]

i dont

[fleet temple]

[balmy carbon]

this server is carried by emojis

[tall hinge]

wtf

[balmy carbon]

ew

[pallid flare]

do you go to #wkroll-discussion very often?

[fleet temple]

[pallid flare]

oh what am I saying, of course not

[analog lily]

[balmy carbon]

lol imagine

[tall hinge]

[analog lily]

[signal sluice]

when are we having news

[tall hinge]

[hollow sedge]

not today

[languid linden]

At some point in time

[fleet temple]

the next time you by a paper

[sage berry]

I might be a little late but I heard the titanic sank recently

[balmy carbon]

not late at all

[fleet temple]

damn, really, i heard rumors but i didn't know if it was true

[tall hinge]

wtf, spoilers

[gritty heron]

the nerve of some people

[tall hinge]

ikr

[fleet temple]

silkspoilers