sk-discussion

[proud vale]

I can't wait to see how the game actually does

[signal crag]

do you have a link/source to that?
because it's the first time i have heard about that, and it would be great info to have

[jade canopy]

Nah i heard it from someone else in this channel

So yeah just go and look for « tree house lady » on discord you’ll be fine

[signal crag]

damn, we are REALLY close to 1.2 M

[analog forge]

Yall focusing so much on the treehouse lady, as if shes in the loop for when the game will be out when the own devs dont even know when the release is.

[viral pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8lvHT_IQbM&ab_channel=Nintendo go to 19:00

[analog forge]

Ya know you can designate a spot for a vdieo to play right?

[viral pivot]

wdym?

[analog forge]

the bottom tick

[barren roost]

hehe silknever

Also to answer Aluo's question about silknever, probably 3-8

#sk-discussion message
I mean it's a bit late but still

[stoic jacinth]

I think that the only part that I really question about that part is “they’re hard at work finishing the game”, as the release date means not much as compared to team cherry possibly telling her they’re finishing it up

Obviously that may have been a slight miscommunication

[barren roost]

I think they just said "finishing" because they assumed that's what TC were doing

[stoic jacinth]

yeah but I assume at least one part of

they’re hard at work finishing the game
the game is releasing soon
Is based off actual knowledge, which is odd

[tribal copper]

7 months

7 god damn months

[trim estuary]

Only 7 months?

I’ve waited for Spore 2 for nearly 6 years now

[tribal copper]

no 7 months of info lack

[trim estuary]

Yeah

Spore 2 has had an info lack for 13 years

[tribal copper]

so where spore 2

[trim estuary]

Sporenever

[tribal copper]

👍

[barren roost]

Well it's nice to see you think in exactly the same way I do
or is that worrying

[coarse leaf]

🍿

[proud vale]

[signal crag]

wait
is spore 2 an actual thing?

[signal crag]

that's....nice, but not really what i asked.

[wide mango]

Did someone just use the “wrapping up the game” unironically

[signal crag]

[pallid flare]

ooohh

did we win

[signal crag]

and still 3 hours left, lmao
now any extra funding they'll get will be used for whatever idea they'll have during development

[proud vale]

Yo whatttt

We got cutscenes? poggy

[signal crag]

1 M was reached "a while ago" already;
the big goal was the 1.2 M....reached just a few moments ago

[fiery coral]

[stoic jacinth]

now we just need to wait for 2023, super cool we got the 1.2 goal though

didn’t think it’d be reached

[signal crag]

i also wasn't that sure, but the fundings generaly go crazy in the last hours, soooo

[coarse leaf]

Should I?

I mean I'm right there at checkout with the 44$ price page

[proud vale]

Maybe now we can reach the 1.3M goal of “the game has a save function”

[coarse leaf]

But I dunno

[signal crag]

if you really want to, then sure
but since the heavy lifting is already done, you could also consider to just wait for it to be out and decide based on initial reception

[coarse leaf]

I'd rather cancel Crowsworn + sell a piece of my soul if it meant Silksong's coming out in a week

[tribal schooner]

I mean same

[stoic jacinth]

Crowsworn looks amazing but that December 2023 release date makes me refuse to get hyped over it

[signal crag]

Leth is online

[tribal schooner]

I imagine crowsworn is successful now but the moment SilkSong gets a release date or news of some kind crowsworn will get put on the back burner for most. When SilkSong is out no one will talk about crowsworn for like a year probably

[stoic jacinth]

Silksong release date today confirmed, that’s all this could mean

[cunning geode]

Why can’t you be excited for both games

[signal crag]

excited is different from being hyped

[bronze plinth]

That's not how it works...you have to be a mindless slug that only likes 1 game /s

[proud vale]

Yeah I guess CS will kind of hide away in development while silksong has its time in the sun

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah I just don’t want to put energy into being excited for something releasing in 2 1/2 years

[cunning geode]

Well if your definition of hype is “unhealthily obsessed with” then yeah that’s not the same as excited

[tribal schooner]

Exactly, and honestly that will probably work really well for crowsworn. I feel like there has been a level of drought of solid metroidvanias while waiting for SilkSong but that won’t be the case while we wait for crowsworn

[signal crag]

i'm excited about games like Deltarune, Silksong or Katana Zero DLC, despite having no idea of when they'll actually come out, so it's more like i'm just very interested in playing them when they'll come out

[cunning geode]

Yeah that’s how I feel

Passively excited

whenever I am reminded of some media that I like that is not out yet I think “oh yeah, I have that to look forward to, that’s nice”

[reef scarab]

In the crowsworn server

[languid linden]

I wouldn't

[stoic jacinth]

I mean SS has been worked on for a long time now

I feel like to some degree, we’re near the finish line, even if that’s still awhile longer

[reef scarab]

It comes out tomorrow what are you talking about

[grim loom]

https://youtu.be/HroDXIz2-fE

[sweet lotus]

how so?

[stoic jacinth]

hyped is a larger extreme of excited

my hope-biased opinion is late 2021 but thats just because I think they’re taking a break to build up release PR and blog posts, as well as the game, and that’s why we haven’t heard much from them

We may get some info at PAX aus, so let’s see then

[warm bone]

Leth said that it they would take at most a month between finish of game and release

[chrome dragon]

That's fine

They don't have to release the game. As long as they tell us it's gonna come out we'll be fine.

[stoic jacinth]

Not familiar with this, can you link it?

I assume it’s the message everyone took as “the game content is finished” but I’m not sure

[tough moat]

You know I dont care I have faith team cherry is gonna make this game a big leap in metroidvania

[cerulean sable]

is it tho

[tough moat]

I mean according to critics yes

[stoic jacinth]

If they can bring the combat on par with HKs exploration/world building, I think this game could be much better than hk

The combat in HK was amazing but hornet has much more potential

[warm bone]

It’ll be a little bit, can’t remember where he said it

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah no worries

[tough moat]

It's just sad that ori and the will of wips tried to challenge hk and got compared to it

Its like insult to injury

[fast basin]

Faker is playing hk in between league matches lol

[mortal grove]

[manic zenith]

based Faker

[nimble pebble]

1.2 million

[pallid flare]

thats a lot of money

[coarse leaf]

Days until silksong releases

[pallid flare]

hehe

silknever

[nimble pebble]

Money raised for Crowsworn

[coarse leaf]

Nevermore? More like Neversong

[coarse leaf]

God damn

That’s a lot of money 💰

silksoon

[jade canopy]

At this point there are so many people waiting for news that TC could create there own event

[analog forge]

They did
Its called “Valentines Day”

[pallid flare]

TC invented love just to sell more silksong copies

[dusty nimbus]

Don't forget Hungry Knight copies that's where the money comes from

[limpid kite]

I have been saying that for like... half a year now

[tall hinge]

canadian dollars not usd

in case it matters

[coarse leaf]

It doesn’t 🐸

[tall hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/809138951575175168.gif?v=1

[burnt topaz]

its like a dream where you're running to a door but the door keeps moving further away

[pallid flare]

life is not a dream

[tall hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-monkey-dream-swim-gif-21857563

if i could take you up in paradise up above

if you'd have told i'm the only one that you love

life could be a dream, sweetheart

[copper knot]

monke

[tall hinge]

heh

funi monke

[coarse leaf]

Mogey

MONKE

S̶͋͝ȕ̵̽p̷͔̊ê̴̕r̶̤̀i̴͌͌o̴͝͝r̶̍̅

[sacred stratus]

hold on... if life could be a dream and SS is a collective dream then that must mean that we could have had SS

[split swan]

wouldnt it just mean that life could have been ss all along

[tall hinge]

were all living in ss

its just happening in a dirt pile somewhere and we dont know it

[split swan]

mhm

i saw some really fast bug to other day so maybe

[coarse leaf]

Imagine not backing Crowsworn? Smh. Embarrassing.

[burnt topaz]

[coarse leaf]

[burnt topaz]

You only have 15 minutes left to no longer be embarrassing

[silver oak]

Imagine having nitro

[tall hinge]

couldnt be me ;-;

[burnt topaz]

thats a really pretty pfp

[tall hinge]

i stole it from a random portfolio, but i agree its very beautiful

i really like it

[pallid flare]

can you really have a good pfp if it isn't stolen

[burnt topaz]

I want to give the birdy hugs, it is very cute

[tall hinge]

[burnt topaz]

as someone who's made pfps in the past, im gonna have to disagree

[pallid flare]

i stole mine am I'm proud

[tall hinge]

yes from deltarune

[burnt topaz]

deltarune came out in 2018? That seems so long ago

where did the time go

[pallid flare]

Halloween of 2018

[tall hinge]

rip

906 days since silksong in 2019

back rn

[signal crag]

Just a few more minutes, huh?

[tall hinge]

they just got 1M

[silver oak]

I MISSED IT BY LIKE 30 SECONDS

[signal crag]

Already backed

[tall hinge]

same

[pallid flare]

gg

[silver oak]

I WAS TAKING A SHOWER WHAT THE HELL

I had the stream up and everything

No this is not a pog moment

The kickstarter ended tho

[signal crag]

And....it’s over

[tall hinge]

yaaaay

[silver oak]

I caught that

[dusty nimbus]

I didn't back it but sure as hell will buy it when it comes out

[silver oak]

Leth is getting gold plated crocs

[dusty nimbus]

Lmao

[nimble pebble]

WE GOT LETH SOME SANDALS

[tall hinge]

THE JORDAN SANDALS

[nimble pebble]

[dusty nimbus]

It would be funnier if Leth got solid gold sandals

Since he wouldn't be able to even walk

[sacred stratus]

he might still be able to walk if he's strong enough that's why we should make him sandals made out of yo mama so even the strongest man ever wouldn't be able to walk in these

[burnt topaz]

He could also just get the Jordan sandals

[delicate steppe]

Silksong

Be like

From when trailer came out at least

[gray lance]

SilkSworn when? 🤔

[agile herald]

Never

[chilly nexus]

i'm still offput a bit by the crowsworn kickstarter. kickstarter is for... kickstarting development on games. The creators still have a stake in making the game good so it will sell afterwards, with game sales being where the profit comes in, and the kickstarter is so you can live until the game is out. with crowsworn it's just like, ty! we're profitable and not out yet out even, so there's little stake that mongoose rodeo actually has in following through with making an amazing game outside of it being a scandal if it's not at least HK level good :p

[agile herald]

Q1 2022 I’d assume though if it isn’t cancelled with the assets being used for the long awaited zote kart

[tardy orbit]

That’s kinda facts actually

[pallid flare]

how can you talk while being muted

[burnt topaz]

Isn't that kinda what's happening with fnf from what I hear. They have way too many expectations now for the amount of money people have put into it

[gray lance]

The money from Kickstarter is for both sustainability and so they can afford things like the animated cutscenes. While they could have surely made Crownsworn without the funding, the money will allow them to scale up the game to something that isn't a 5 hour experience

[tardy orbit]

I did not think the word would spread so much about a indie metroidvania

Like damn 1 million dollars is a lot

[chilly nexus]

was HK a 5 hour experience with like 60k of funding and 5k reward tiers?

[hollow terrace]

yes

[gray lance]

Of course not. But just because something raises more doesn't mean they don't have any less of a stake in making the game good.

[chilly nexus]

"200k for animated cutscenes!" like. ok..

[tardy orbit]

Honestly I don’t think most of that money is gonna go towards development xd

[chilly nexus]

is kickstarter supposed to cover all your development costs? sales should be part cost covering and part profit. at this point every dollar from sales is pure profit

[signal crag]

I think KS takes a %

[chilly nexus]

mb, so it's 180k to make animated custscenes

[hidden nacelle]

it could go to supporting the team, giving them a better work environment than they would have otherwise, and they still need a salary for the time until december 2023

[tardy orbit]

But hey like good for them, they’ll get a nice fat salary this year

[tardy orbit]

Yeah it makes full time more viable that’s true

[chilly nexus]

it's just not the spirit of kickstarter. Mongoose rodeo doesn't have stake in the product at this point with their costs being covered

[gray lance]

Hiring a studio to make animated cutscenes, hiring VAs for every npc they want to have voice acting, advertising, standard development costs, paying employees (no idea how small Mongoose is, but anything is bigger than Team Cherry), paying for their studio, paying for anything that needs to be outsourced.

Just because Hollow Knight and Crownsworn are both indie games doesn't automatically mean the costs are the same.

[chilly nexus]

the point is that you don't cover all costs with a kickstarter. HK did not cost TC 60k. that was just what they needed to take on the risk of spending years developing a game in hopes sales would make it worth it

there's no real risk mongoose rodeo is taking by developing ccrowsworn

[gray lance]

The risk is not being trusted as a reputable company if the game is awful. A million bucks really doesn't go that far in the grand scheme of things.

[bronze plinth]

Office space a bigger QA team that covers the now bigger scope of the game...etc

[chilly nexus]

they have no reputation to loose, this is their first game

[hidden nacelle]

they have a lot of reputation to lose

[tardy raft]

Found the pie chart they put out, this is what they're spending the money on (according to them)

[hidden nacelle]

having no reputation is far better than a terrible reputation

[gray lance]

What if they want to make another game in the future? A sequel? Crownsworn won't pay the bills forever

[bronze plinth]

They have USD$1M and the promise to deliver a good game...no, they don't have anything at stake /s

[cedar sedge]

i like that the 25% is for art

[gray lance]

Love this pie chart. Puts into perspective a lot of the "hidden" costs

[tardy raft]

So they're only spending about half the raised cash on the game itself, and ~200k is going towards that animated cutscene goal if that gap is accurate

[hidden nacelle]

they can't pay in exposure

[copper knot]

hidden costs are actually way more than a lot of people expect

[chilly nexus]

i'm a little confused how this pie chart is unique to them vs team cherry. The only thing that might've been different are team cherry's "legal fees"

the rest is pretty standard

[tardy raft]

The physical rewards for one, TC didn't have any

[gray lance]

The quality of something as simple as VAs can exponentially bump up costs. If they hypothetically wanted a big ticket voice actor for one of the more important VAs, that could blow a significant portion of their budget.

A million dollar budget means an overall better experience for the game. Better polish, better voice actors, less stress for the team, the ability to hire more workers if necessary.

[eager warren]

Tfw I wanted to help support the Crowsworn kickstarter but my gift card doesnt support international transactions ;-;

[copper knot]

i backed like 20 bucks

[chilly nexus]

feel free to nickel and dime MR and TC's cost differences up to needing 20x more cash to produce a game that is trying to come somewhere between hk and ss

[copper knot]

SHIT

[gray lance]

Comparing Team Cherry to Mongoose doesn't make sense. We don't know the overall scope of Crownsworn when compared to Hollow Knight. We don't know the overall size of the studio (as far as I know), the depth they want to go with the game, etc. Maybe they do need that money. Team Cherry is lucky in how much raw talent they have between just a few people. And we're lucky that TC is as generous as they are with things like DLCs and sequels. Silksong is free if you backed the original Hollow Knight. That's nutty.

At the end of the day, if people didn't think Crownsworn was worth the amount of money for funding, the project wouldn't have been funded in the first place.

[hidden nacelle]

that's unfortunate!

[gray lance]

OH NO

[pallid flare]

oh shit

[normal hinge]

[chilly nexus]

I'm not going about whether or not the project was funded, that's completely a thing with people wanting the game or not. I'm talking about how MR tiered their project (again, asking 200k for cutscenes, 150k for voice acting). That sounds more like a cutscene budget and voice acting budget than a kickstarter

[bronze plinth]

I don't know how to say this...but not every studio has to make the same sacrifices that TC did for HK
https://twitter.com/itsJenSim/status/1414709620237602818

Jen Simpkins (@itsJenSim)

@mossbag69 @APWOTmag we owe assorted meat ends so much

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[pallid flare]

damn

[chilly nexus]

I'm not saying they need to suffer, I'm saying they don't need their costs covered by their tiering of a kickstarter campaign

[signal crag]

In the end, we’ll still have to wait and see the final product, and then evaluate it’s worth as a game

[copper knot]

so uh dont worry my mom will like- reactivate the card tomorrow
i paid for it i just borrowed my mom's card

[tardy raft]

I mean, if you can get it done might as well right?

[chilly nexus]

it's a little too 'opportunistic' for my liking

[gray lance]

If the funding is available and the backing is there, why wouldn't a company try to fully fund the creation of their game? I doubt any company goes on Kickstarter and goes "Okay we want BARE MINIMUM money so we can MAYBE make the game we want without starving"

[bronze jetty]

hey guys

[chilly nexus]

anywho, it's not my job to convince people how to percieve others' business decisions

am just venting a lil

[tardy raft]

If you want to make a game with full VO and animated cutscenes and have the chance to fully fund it with a kickstarter? I'd take that. You could probably go ask a couple questions directly to MR rn since Leth's streaming

[sacred stratus]

it's actually crazy how much money mongoose rodeo got from this kickstarter

[copper knot]

as someone who wants to be an indie game dev i hope when i open my first ever kickstarter people like it

[chilly nexus]

again: that's you^, that's me^^. I'll leave it at: this 100% would not've happened on shark tank, dragons den, or a bank loan. Targeting a bunch of people with an average age somewhere in the teens with hype elements from all the big games of rercent times like hk, bloodborne, ori, and various rpgs? sure it worked, but like i said... 'opportunistic' to put it nicely

[sacred stratus]

I assure you that if ppl are interested in your work they will be willing to doante

[chilly nexus]

meant to reply to this

[copper knot]

ye i hope

[vivid phoenix]

Silksong when?

[gray lance]

Silksong tomorrow

[sacred stratus]

I too want to one day develop my own game but I'm too lazy and have Uni to worry about

[bronze plinth]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[coarse leaf]

For free

[jade canopy]

Wait dyno is a speedrunner ?!

[coarse leaf]

Best of the best

[jade canopy]

Us human are in trouble if ai start running hk

[tardy raft]

This may be business class talking, but Shark Tank and bank loans aren't really the best gauge of interest for public appeal. Sure there may be professionals there but they do make some weird decisions. KS is honestly one of the best ways to get funding for a project like an indie game since the people paying for it there would be the same as paying for it on the market. With the physical stuff + free game copy it's mostly just paying in advance, especially for a project with the trust of some pretty solid people.

Any money they have leftover would be similar to just game sales on Steam and what not

[sacred stratus]

someone calls you a bot: PANIK
you're a speedrunner: CALM

[jade canopy]

Yeah it’s a precommand the game might be what is advertised or it could over hyped and become cyperpunk 2077

[copper knot]

7.5 TRILLION CHANCE

[chilly nexus]

again though, i'm not saying it's bad that CS did so well. I'm saying they knew what they were doing when they set their additional content tiers

[tardy raft]

Oh for sure, it IS a business after all

[signal crag]

was Leth's involvement with the project a reason of why it had such a huge success?

[chilly nexus]

what it is is 'opportunistic' but i said i would stop so that's it

[tardy raft]

Any smart business venture is opportunistic, these guys are just putting that extra cash to make a better product, unlike some other companies.

[gray lance]

I know it's easy to look at a company these days and imagine the CEOs twirling their devilish mustaches, but it could just be that Mongoose wants to make the best game they can while still living comfortably.

[signal crag]

i guess we'll see, then

[bronze plinth]

my tinfoil hat theory is that mossbag twits and fireb0rn's video were part of the marketing campaign using the hk fanbase as good word of mouth

still happy they got funded...i'm keeping an eye on the game

[gray lance]

👀

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[gray lance]

Tools

[chilly nexus]

crowsworn manifestation party, where we imagine up a game that is proportionally greater than HK to the same degree their funding was (jk, nothing can be 20x greater than HK. i'd take 4x greater and 5x more comfortable living for the dev team)

but yes, tools

let's imagine those

[signal crag]

of course, it always ends with tools

[chilly nexus]

the functional meme

oh actually let's talk consumables

i'm picturing something like the sugars in sekiro

[serene chasm]

never played sekiro. What do they do?

[chilly nexus]

just like temporary buffs

SS is pretty mechanically similar to sekiro with the tool and death systems

[signal crag]

maybe also the death system

[chilly nexus]

tools and shell shards work very (very) similarly to prosthetics and spirit emblems

ye the death system is still up in the air a bit

[signal crag]

i mean, the whole "convert rosaries into rosaries strings" it's VERY similar to Sekiro

[serene chasm]

Oh. Yeah, thats what Im thinking too. Basically temporary fragile charms

[chilly nexus]

ye like 30 secs or something

[chilly nexus]

yeah, and the inevitable loss upon death

granted, there's no 'unseen aid' in ss that we know of

but it's not like we lose exp too

[serene chasm]

ok. Use at bench or use anywhere?

[chilly nexus]

you can use the buffs anywhere. Idk how exactly they'll be implemented in SS if they are in SS cuz you can quickslot them in sekiro. I imagine opening the menu to use a consumable in SS would be cumbersome

but between the caravan details we got and the whole mossberry brew thing, itt does sound like there will be food and drink

[signal crag]

consumable items,
the things gamers don't really like to use, huh?

[serene chasm]

Gotta save them all for the final boss

[chilly nexus]

can't think of anything else the caravan is alluding to yet

[chilly nexus]

you bet

[signal crag]

but how do you know the final boss is the true final boss, mhmmm?

[chilly nexus]

gotta save them for ng+ assuming our inventories carry over

[serene chasm]

You dont. So you dont use them for any boss just to be safe

[signal crag]

nice, just like a true gamer would

[chilly nexus]

tbh i thought they were implemented pretty well in sekiro. i only used them when i really felt the need to (i.e. with the headless and demon of hatred)

[pallid flare]

what if there's a true true final secret boss?

I can't waste my stuff, i need it for that guy

[signal crag]

even a superboss?
wait maybe that's just a jrpg thing

[analog forge]

Silksong being free for backers affects what? A grand total of 3 people?

[chilly nexus]

quickly tools once more

[serene chasm]

2158 people. But seriously that is a tiny number compared to how many people will but the game

[chilly nexus]

heck, consumables even

[pallid flare]

assuming that silksong is 15$

[chilly nexus]

the orange tool?

[signal crag]

buy* ?

[pallid flare]

that's like 32.400$

[chilly nexus]

the purple pseudo baldur shell tool

[pallid flare]

it's not a miniscule number

[chilly nexus]

the buzzsaw, everyone likes buzzsaws, right?

[serene chasm]

no. but

[serene chasm]

Not tiny but probably worth the cost of not pissing off the fanbase and getting bad press

[chilly nexus]

i doubt they'd get bad press if ss wasn't free to backers. tc 100% just appreciates their hk backers to the moon and back. legit think of how those people changed their lives by giving them a bit of means to get by while making hk

[nimble pebble]

Leth's Sandals should have a cameo in Silksong

[chilly nexus]

but pls, tools!

or marmu, let's talk about marmu strategies

[nimble pebble]

Where's Hornet's scythe

[chilly nexus]

this isn't bloodborne

[nimble pebble]

Hi Curly

[serene chasm]

Hi Pillow

[nimble pebble]

You're right it's CS

How you doing Curly

[serene chasm]

How do we think upgrading will work in SS>

[coarse leaf]

Imagine not backing Crowsworn? Ew

[chilly nexus]

upgrading tools or the needolin?

[serene chasm]

Im doing alright. How bout you?

[chilly nexus]

thatt's a good Q actually, i've never imagined how we upgrade the needolin

or just, the needle. idk why i call it by its full name

[serene chasm]

Needle. I guess tools too

[coarse leaf]

Hey Jacoby, hey curly, hey pillow

[serene chasm]

Hey GEF

[chilly nexus]

omg you copied me

even though i didn't do it first

[brittle garnet]

I really hope the Needle has a small upgrade tree that affects different stats like attack speed and reach etc.

[chilly nexus]

tools I think will be very similar to sekiro's prosthetics, with you needing to find a few specific materials and pay a few rosaries to upgrade the tools that can be updated via crafting

[serene chasm]

Im totally thinking the same thing. Basically you get the pale ore equivalent and you can use it to make it strike further, stronger, faster

Maybe even having the option to respec for a price

[tribal merlin]

I'd prefer a split tree where you have to decide if you want stronger, faster or longer

[coarse leaf]

Faster?

[tribal merlin]

with certain perks in each

[serene chasm]

inb4 SS has a leveling system and is just a RPG

[coarse leaf]

No, a dark souls game

[chilly nexus]

the good new is crowsworn has that with their rpg/elder-scrolls-online esque constellations

they've got nearly everything

[signal crag]

but it is an open world with the mandatory spider boss?

[chilly nexus]

you mean like skyrim was? I literally cleared THE ENTIRE MAP (every area that did not have frostbit spiders at least) so I could go into bleak falls barrow and wreck the giant spider with my eyes literally shut

[serene chasm]

Just get the mod that turns them into bears

[chilly nexus]

was a console human at the time 🥺

[serene chasm]

I was there once too

[chilly nexus]

the way i screamed when i was in that area getting the longhammer because the wiki didn't have frostbite spiders listed as an enemy, and they literally fell from the ceiling onto my head

i should've streamed skyrim, it'd've been entertaining

[nimble pebble]

You must not like the spider area of Bloodborne then

[chilly nexus]

bloodborne spiders i could handle!

most games i can handle them in, but the skyrim ones i couldn't

tbh i can't think of a game that was as bad in that way as skyrim, i don'nt think i've ever had to change my gameplay like that in any other game

i also think i've grown past it, that was (omg a decade ago)

[serene chasm]

Just looked them up. Man those are creepy. I love it

[chilly nexus]

their heads look like something i shall not say

[raven minnow]

I have an idea: what if tc announces the release date for ss during the probable indie world this month or the probable nintendo direct next month to be released for Febuary 14th next year?

just a theory but it's possible

[tall hinge]

probably not

[analog forge]

Zero chance in hell for an indie world release

[sweet lotus]

Silksong's not coming before Metroid Dread

so let that get out of the way

[coarse leaf]

100% chance if you’re GEF

[tall hinge]

when is metroid dread set to release?

[analog forge]

Also they arent announcing the game untill its done,so they arent releasing dating 6 months in advance

[sweet lotus]

October 9, iirc

[shy stirrup]

8th

[tall hinge]

look at those beautiful curves *chef's kiss*

[tall hinge]

yeah no way then

[serene chasm]

Thats actually pretty standard for kickstarter games.

[tall hinge]

makes sense, its mostly about hype

lots of hype at the start and at the end

[coarse leaf]

I’m not breathing until we get silksong news and it’s very difficult

[tall hinge]

here lies helpmeiamgoinginsane, who lived up to their username by not breathing for 205 days straight. R.I.P

[serene chasm]

[bronze plinth]

don't that to yourself

[pallid flare]

damn was too slow

thanks mod

[outer frost]

Coral forest is the best looking area in the trailers so far

Just off of looks alone

[serene chasm]

Thats a funny way to spell Clocktower

[outer frost]

It is pretti

[serene chasm]

agreed

[pallid flare]

one day we will control hornet

that coral on the right looks like the unbreakable strength charm

[left yacht]

Yes?

[chilly nexus]

I love how TC is making the backgrounds look traversible. They're making the artwork for a 3d game in a 2d game

like there's that bridge deep in the coral forest bridging the expanse, and you think it's something you'd be able to get to and explore, but the game is 2d

[signal crag]

i mean, wasn't that the same for HK as well?
at least in some places

[chilly nexus]

in some places maybe. i felt in general that game's backgrounds didn't extend too far from the foreground you were playing on

like i can't think of any examples that go as deep or look as traversible as many of the ss screens we've seen

[signal crag]

well, more of that for Silksong it's surely appreciated

[chilly nexus]

it makes it feel more like a world and less like an isolated game

[odd plover]

Honestly, I will buy crowsworn but even I cant deny its a bit too similar to hk

[chilly nexus]

so tools

I like how the lifeblood syringe seemingly slows down time while you use it. there's no risk of it being interrupted like binding

[bronze jetty]

when do you think we will have the next big news from silksong? do you think we will have it later this year?

[coarse leaf]

I’m still alive

[chilly nexus]

i think our only chances for news are the major gaming events like E3, summer games fest, and TGA

could be missing a few

edge and big publication releases are also possible at any time tho

[coarse leaf]

I just want ss news 😭😭

[signal crag]

i think that's was just a moment were the enemies were passive, not sure if that's related to the syringe at all

[bronze jetty]

maybe...

[bronze jetty]

me too

[odd plover]

I wonder if there will be any cool tool synergies

[coarse leaf]

😖

[signal crag]

maybe for the passive ones, that would be neat

[bronze jetty]

2 years...

[odd plover]

Make fake ones and spread them

[bronze jetty]

2 fucking years...

[odd plover]

It's not so much

[coarse leaf]

Silksong will be crossplay guys 🤫🤫🤥

[odd plover]

In fact, it's very little

Hornet as a fortnite skin would be groundbreaking

[chilly nexus]

i think TC said there will be! they talked about tool synnergies being part of what's making balance tougher this time around

[coarse leaf]

And zote will be the final boss

[chilly nexus]

tbh i do think they are entertaining the idea of cross-save

[coarse leaf]

What makes you think that

[chilly nexus]

Graig was like "good idea! I'll let them know and we'll talk about it"

[bronze jetty]

2 years ago you had uganda knuckles

[bronze jetty]

SPOILER

[chilly nexus]

"DY-NO-MITE idea"

etc

[coarse leaf]

Phrog ending will be confirmed canon 🐸

[odd plover]

No I think I had a tea pfp

[bronze jetty]

Mr. Mushroom is the secret final boss

[odd plover]

Mr. Mushroom will put you on a lsd trip like in gta 5

[bronze jetty]

ha

[odd plover]

Or even better, turns out the world of hollow knight is a dream and Hornet is actually in coma

And sans is there too

[bronze jetty]

SNAS

[chilly nexus]

you beat SS, hornet wakes up in the black egg, the end

she goes "dang, i wish that dream were real"

[bronze jetty]

Zote is the truly Hollow Knight

[odd plover]

Hollow knight for the gba

In all seriousness, do you people think ss will live to the expectations?

[bronze jetty]

+/-

[odd plover]

Just look at cyberpunk, it was from a well trusted studio and everyone thought it would break new grounds

I'm comparing the situation, not the games

[bronze jetty]

if team cherry tries to beat all expectations it will end up beating none

[coarse leaf]

https://elvies.itch.io/silksongdemake

[odd plover]

For the gba not the gb

[coarse leaf]

That’s as close as you’re gonna get

[tall hinge]

that is true but cyberpunk was rushed to release and tc are taking their sweet ass time (for better or worse)

[bronze jetty]

yes

[signal crag]

i mean, if they actually took 8 years (which i have some doubts) to make that game, i'm not sure if "rushing" is the actual problem,
more like the overall management of the project.

[pallid flare]

yeah it took 8 years, I don't think it was rushed

[signal crag]

also Cyberpunk 2077 is from a AAA studio, while SS is from a very small indie team,
like, they can't even be compared.

[tall hinge]

like they said, im not comparing the games, im comparing the situation

[nimble pebble]

Well I think rushing for a holiday release was their downfall if they had delayed it a few months they could have probably ironed out most bugs

[tall hinge]

the problem wasnt rushing the development it was rushing the bug testing phase which was their downfall at the end

[nimble pebble]

^

[tall hinge]

afaik at least

[tribal merlin]

there are so many factors to CP failing, the "finish line rush" was rather a symptom than the problem itself

[tall hinge]

makes sense

[tribal merlin]

$313 million

[tall hinge]

[chilly nexus]

Elden Ring going: "forget holiday releases. we don't need no holiday release. we'll launch immediately after the holidays"

[nimble pebble]

There is never too much for Keanu Reeves

He's a cool guy,and didn't code the game

[tall hinge]

BTW should i play elden ring when it comes out as an introduction to fromsoftware games or is there a better game for that

[nimble pebble]

Miyazaki always releases his games around the same time of year

[tribal merlin]

imo irl actors can't be anything but a cherry on top of a polished game, so if you don't have that in the first place...

just order pizza for the money saved

[nimble pebble]

Keanu isn't particularly greedy I'm sure he just wanted to be part of the project and his voice work is fine, so if it sounds bad it's the sound engineers fault

[nimble pebble]

Mmm Pizza

[chilly nexus]

Elden ring will be an easy one to start off with because of how you can realistically just keep building your character to overcome any insurmountable challenge

[nimble pebble]

I know

[chilly nexus]

personally, I think: bloodborne is the quintessential fromsoft game, then there's sekiro for pure combat, and then there's elden ring for a more rpg heavy dark souls

[tall hinge]

[chilly nexus]

that's not to say the dark souls games aren't great, just that I think you can get a more rounded out experience via those 3 games^ :p

with bloodborne being a healthy medium

[tall hinge]

hmmmm ok i might try bb first then

[chilly nexus]

you'll love it. buy it with the dlc though!

bloodborne dlc is some of the best gaming i've ever experienced

and don't be dissuaded by a slightly tricky starter area!

they don't let you level up or buff your character at all till you can overcome a baseline challenge of sorts

[nimble pebble]

It's Keanu's fault if his VA work is bad but it's the sound engineers fault if the audio quality is terrible

I.E music louder than voices or vice versa to much reverb etc

echos

[clear creek]

bloodborne makes me resort to beckoning way too fast due to the limited blood vials and the run back to bosses

[nimble pebble]

Bloodstained beast moment

[chilly nexus]

nooooooooo

you gotta play offline without summons till you get the platinum

[warm bone]

and people say it needs an easy mode

there already is one, have other people beat the game for you

[chilly nexus]

(but i'll admit, there were fights where I wouldn't let myself use bloodvials for the first few attempts because i knew they'd be wawwsted)

[copper knot]

peepeepoopoo hhgv rain

[chilly nexus]

but also the blood vial farming loop in the first area is very quick and easy

[clear creek]

too late for that, already at nightmare of mensis ;-;

[warm bone]

I don't think you should need to farm for them

[chilly nexus]

at first i hated it, but i think it's fine

[surreal mortar]

Gonna start bloodborne soon. I’ve platinumed sekiro so hopefully bloodborne won’t be a huge difficulty gap

[chilly nexus]

what's nice is bloodborne's plat requires no grinding

unlike that one sekiro trophy.... #purpleninjagenocide

[clear creek]

i think i have completely ruined the game for myself honestly

[surreal mortar]

I killed the guys in the Ashina outskirts

[chilly nexus]

the red ones walking up the hill?

i did the one purple guy in the ashina castle anti chamber

[reef scarab]

Silksong cool

[nimble pebble]

Bloodborne is the only fromsoft game I like, Elden Ring remains to be seen

[warm bone]

I like every fromsoft game I have played, so not bloodborne

[chilly nexus]

bloodborne's dlc bosses like directly inspired all of ds3's good dlc bosses :p

SKG pulls from ludwig, ook, and lady maria. which is part of why i love skg

phase 3 nun is basically lady maria

[nimble pebble]

Lady Maria with her blood slashes

[chilly nexus]

i'm all about her visceral

[grim holly]

hello

[nimble pebble]

it has stupid range though

[chilly nexus]

i love getting hit by it

[grim holly]

me while waiting for silksong

[split blade]

doesn’t the interview come out soon

[languid linden]

Yeah

[pallid flare]

yeah, late july, why?

[reef scarab]

It’s not Silksong tho

[split blade]

yeah ik still interested in it

[split blade]

oh lmaoo ty

[reef scarab]

Why does it feel like we’re not too far away despite having not heard anything in seven months

[pallid flare]

because you haven't given up all hope

[reef scarab]

Probably because my dad works at team Cherry and told me it’s coming out tomorrow

[tribal merlin]

if you paid attention there was some sort of communications

and imo it really doesn't spell "release soon" at all

[pallid flare]

all we got was a "they have nothing to show" and "I don't think you're gonna hear something from them in the near future"

[tribal merlin]

have you looked at updates of your steam games?

[pallid flare]

wdym?

yeah, factorio got an update

[signal crag]

HK updates?

[tribal merlin]

https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Updates_(Hollow_Knight)

[pallid flare]

it's scheduled for monday at 4 am

ooh

[tribal merlin]

those are "some sort" of communication

[reef scarab]

When?

[tribal merlin]

...

[pallid flare]

i have heard rumors of a new hollow knight update happening soon

[serene chasm]

We need someone to message them on kickstarter again

[reef scarab]

Wait what are you talking about Cheesoid

[bronze plinth]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pallid flare]

cheesoid is being kinda cryptic here

[tribal merlin]

they were bringing HK to the newest unity version and they were fixing bugs in HK

[reef scarab]

cheesoid is a team cherry member in disguise

[tribal merlin]

so if they were doing that it means SS isn't close to finish

because if SS was close they could have delayed those things

instead of saying
"oh we got 2 months of SS dev left, let's stop and do HK instead"

[pallid flare]

why did they do that anyways

[bronze plinth]

alternative theory...they outsourced HK updates because they have money now

or hired a new temporary member

[pallid flare]

there's no real reason to update hollow knight

[tribal merlin]

maybe they feel obligated to deliver HK fixes, being perfectionists and all

[pallid flare]

didn't they remove 32 bit support

[warm bone]

cause the issue with the pantheons needed to be fixed

[tribal merlin]

also having all (2) games on the same unity version can make maintenance easier in the long run

[pallid flare]

that's valid

[bronze plinth]

32bit is supported only on the old 1.4.3.2 version

[pallid flare]

that was my point

they removed the 32 bit support and then stopped updating

[reef scarab]

I don’t think we need to look too deep into the hk updates

[pallid flare]

we shouldn't

[tribal merlin]

I'm not saying it's deep but it's also not nothing

[bronze plinth]

Switch version is still 1.4.3.2 so i'll say they haven't removed support completely

[tribal merlin]

obviously they made decisions on how to manage their dev time

[bronze plinth]

I agree with this

[pallid flare]

the switch version is completely separate as far as I know

[tribal merlin]

I'm not sure about that, nintendo added a lot of unity tools for devs to develop with switch as target

with HK it would have been 2 different things since it was a port

but SS will be native

[reef scarab]

Silksong comes out by the end of this week

[tribal merlin]

I didn't use unity personally but I think it's similar to a cross compile/build automation framework
where you have a central code and configs/patches/extra code in directories for your targets

so if you hit "compile" it builds for all targets automatically

[pallid flare]

i dont know what any of that means

[bronze plinth]

But HK is a native game...unity isn't an emulator

[rare nymph]

Guys, when will team cherry's apwot interview be published?

[bronze plinth]

it may be an older version than the PC version

[barren roost]

What happened
did you just sspsa a regular?

[warm bone]

scroll up

[tribal merlin]

well... a program on your computer has different machine instructions from the same program on a phone, so you need a "cross compiler" that lets you make the phone instructions from the code on your computer
pretty much the same with PC and switch

[bronze plinth]

i don't lurk that often so i sspsa just in case

[pallid flare]

but by doing that you aren't lurking anymore

[reef scarab]

Can’t wait for someone to post the team cherry part of it so I don’t have to spend money

[warm bone]

native as in it comes out on launch on both pc and switch

which hk did not

[bronze plinth]

but unity has a switch version that targets ARM64 and HK is ported...aka HK on switch is a native game...not the X86_64 that runs on ARM

[tribal merlin]

HK wasn't developed to run on switch so it wasn't native

[warm bone]

[bronze plinth]

Is developed to run on Unity which is a cross platform game engine...of course some adjustment has to be done to run on switch because memory restrictions but the game is still native on the Switch the same ways as it is a native linux game

[tribal merlin]

linux isn't a hardware though

and native usually refers to the first release

otherwise all ports would be "native"

they didn't just put a checkmark in unity behind switch and a finished switch build came out

[warm bone]

good point

[frosty sphinx]

its hard to still believin

[bronze plinth]

It surprises me that the word native has a different meaning in game development...but words are weird

[tribal merlin]

it's not just game development it's software in general

if something runs natively on some platform that just means it was designed to do that at release

if it's adjusted to a platform later then that's a port

[bronze plinth]

or it was ported to run natively on a different hardware

like Doom

[tribal merlin]

that would make the meaning of native completely unnecessary

[warm bone]

plus no one was talking about game development type native

[cloud spire]

Linux is an OS

[jade canopy]

And what about Native American ?
Yeah I’ll just leave

[cloud spire]

i believe

[warm bone]

more like emulated american

[bronze plinth]

Interpreted american instead of bytecode american

[odd plover]

I tried the gb ss game and honestly its clanky as hell

[reef scarab]

how do you attack

[odd plover]

X

The controls are down below

[bronze plinth]

sometimes i'm active and sometimes i have 600+ unread messages

[pallid flare]

that's called sleeping

[bronze plinth]

so...there's a list of regulars that I should know?

[pallid flare]

you probably already met them all

[tribal merlin]

except maybe Stephen Hawking

[serene chasm]

This guy called Curly is pretty cool

[bronze plinth]

^ [citation needed]

[pallid flare]

citation is me

[nimble radish]

I think we all know who the coolest person here is

[bronze plinth]

[glossy gazelle]

Former Regular here

[odd plover]

I haven't shown up yet

[tribal merlin]

so cool that you froze chat

[serene chasm]

#sk-discussion message
Here is your citation

[glossy gazelle]

And chat froze again

[rustic plover]

Been a little while since I’ve been here. Any noteworthy news?

[warm bone]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[rustic plover]

Oh cool sick, I’ll check in next month

[bronze plinth]

sspsa should be ?rtfm

[serene chasm]

what does that stand for

[barren roost]

I wrote a paper on him and then got docked a bit because I reported he was still alive, as I was unaware he had died the day I finished it

[serene chasm]

wow. your teacher is an asshole

[barren roost]

I mean that was a while ago

[serene chasm]

He died like last year (dont tell its been like 5 years or Ill cry)

[shy stirrup]

3 years i think

[viscid tundra]

silksong speedruns will be awesome with new movement

[tribal schooner]

ya know for an indie game that was by no means perfect, its kinda impressive that HK sold almost 3 million copies

[naive flax]

Why is Hollow Knight compared to Dark Souls so much?

[tribal schooner]

they may be less possible if combat is alot stronger with complex attack strategies

[tribal schooner]

cause its amazing, edgy, and super hard

[warm bone]

cause both are very difficult metroidvanias with increadible bosses and great combat

[naive flax]

Is Dark Souls a metroidvania though? I thought it was like in its own category of games.

[warm bone]

its considered a metroidvania by many

[tribal schooner]

which is interesting since you dont really progress in darksouls with powerups but the world is incredibly imersive

[vagrant umbra]

I think most of it boils from the “dark souls of” trend.

[tribal schooner]

yeah like half of the games that came out after darksouls are labled souls like

[mortal grove]

hi

[chilly nexus]

tbh sekiro is more metroidvania than darksouls with how you get different items and abilities in some areas that are very helpful in other areas

dark souls has no "metroidvania esque gates" but definitely matches HK in terms of boss quality and combat difficulty

ok yeah sekiro is so metroidvania there are so many gates and places where you use one upgrade to get through another. ||loaded umbrella to get into gunfort|| ||flame vent to make chained ogre easier|| ||mikiri counter to make the mini boss in hirata easier|| ||divine confetti before you can take on headless and schichimen|| so many pseudo upgrade gates

I can't really think of any areas in dark souls that make as great use of upgrades you got in another area

outside of generally your character getting stronger

[tribal schooner]

yeah its not really a metroidvania by definition but it still see plenty of the similaries it shares with HK

[serene chasm]

I should try Sekiro. I mean even Quirel talks about it

[chilly nexus]

ye it's fantastic. the more i think about it the more i'm like, outside of the emphasis on parrying, sekiro is actually so similar to HK (and even moreso SS).

what makes it even better is sekiro doesn't feel like a metroidvania. I never realized I was using upgrades to progress in that way^ it all felt incredibly natural

in part cuz the upgrades weren't really mandatory. you never saw something like an area you clearly needed a double jump for like in HK and went "well, i know i'll be coming back here once I double jump"

[tribal schooner]

hey sa1t. how goes it?

[mortal grove]

hi

[serene chasm]

I never felt that way. Granted Im not a huge metroidvania guy so I wasnt thinking that way. It was more "Guess I cant go here yet. Lets go explore elsewhere."

[warm bone]

Very much disagree, I don't recall one time where you needed to backtrack in sekiro, the quarterstone of metroidvanias

plus the interconnectivity of ds1's world is unmatched by sekiro

[chilly nexus]

i made it to gunfort before loaded umbrella and that was impossible. I had to go through hirata to get the flame vent to return to ashina outskirts and beat the ogre. do you backtrack more in dark souls?

those are just a few instances

[warm bone]

have you played the game

[tribal schooner]

i havent played either one but i plan to play darksouls at some point

[chilly nexus]

anywho. na i'm like the opposite :p i mentally make notes of things I'm probably missing as i encounter them. like the first time I saw rumbly floors in hk I went "come back when you get a ground pound or smthn"

[warm bone]

I literally never got the umbrella my first playthrough

[chilly nexus]

gg i'd've been miserable

[warm bone]

and the flame vent is very much not needed for ogre

[chilly nexus]

i mentioned them not being mandatory

[warm bone]

then what are they

[chilly nexus]

in your case, probably irrelevant trinkets that added flare to the game. for me, they were items that enabled me to progress much more easily than i would've been able to otherwise

[warm bone]

have you played dark souls

still curious

[chilly nexus]

i get the vibe you're only here to disagree. if you want to discuss why dark souls is more of a metroidvania than sekiro, by all means bring up your arguments. I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe, all points for either case are likely valid, but i'm not here to engage with what i feel like this is becoming

[warm bone]

I still want to know if you've played the game

[chilly nexus]

make an inference

[warm bone]

yes or no

easy question

that, for some reason, you refuse to answer

@chilly nexus

if you have not played it, I would suggest in the future to be more informed on things before you start to argue a point you know nothing about

[fiery coral]

that was... somewhat more passive/aggressive than necessary

Gaming you alright

[warm bone]

yeah... why

[analog forge]

"upgrade that makes boss easier" isnt metroidvania

thats megaman, honey

[tribal schooner]

i mean you do seem to just want to argue. one can do plenty of research of a game without actually playing it anyway. besides what is considered metroidvania is very open to perspective and interpretation since i do not believe it has any official definition and does not change the quality of a game.

[warm bone]

its really not that I just want to argue, its that they're arguing about a game they have not even played.

[analog forge]

if you've played a metroidvania, then you know what a metroidvania is.
Metroidvanias tend to have such a different feel from 99% of games that the distinction should be obvious

cave story is not a metroidvania, btw

[tribal schooner]

ok thats cool, id say it was more of a disscussion and less and arguement but like dr Jacoby said we all have the right to our own opinion. either way no foul bro we were just a bit concerned at where this was headed.

[warm bone]

where could this have even gone

I don't tend to be straight up aggro

[tribal schooner]

i totally agree with this. i just looked it up and wikapedia explained it rather well. still very open ended but really sunk the main points of the genre

[tribal schooner]

it just seemed like it was getting more heated than necessary. generally while in discussion it is best to avoid discussing an individual and focus instead on the content. assuming he has or hasn't played the game is more about the individual. if his argument is less valid because of his lack of experience with a game then it will show in his argument. tho personally i dont think you have to play a game to make a choice on weather something fits a genre or not but idk . that's just me

[unkempt wraith]

welcome to day 1364 of asking if there is any silksong news or new theories

[warm bone]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[analog forge]

it hasnt even been 1364 days since silksong was announced

[tribal schooner]

dont worry toast there are a few people here on discord working on synthesizing all the information to create at the very least an entertainly detailed level of speculation for us to sink our minds into

[olive bobcat]

Wanna hear my theory about the lore

[unkempt wraith]

someone @ me when there is new silksong news

[olive bobcat]

My theory is that the story will go as follows:

[warm bone]

It is my opinion that, to determine many things about a game you must have at least played it. Dark souls, for instance, has you going back to firelink shrine as a shortcut for the bell gargoyles with an elevator. There is an elevator at the bottom of firelink which leads to a new area, also in firelink there is a passage to a mid game area surrounded by skeletons that will one shot you. This is all in game experience and all shows how interconnected the world of dark souls is compared to sekiro.

it was also important to know whether they played the game as they would have already knew all of this and I would not need to bring it up.

[olive bobcat]

Hornet is imprisoned due to her mysterious past and sent to Pharloom, where she unlocks her powers of using silk. From there she has to fight a myriad of unique enemies, each with their own powers and motivations to ascend. She eventually learns about the big bad and their grand schemes and how it relates to her mother, Herrah. From there it's a race to defeat the big bad before they can complete their plan by reaching the surface.

Ah nvm this joke was stupid

[tribal schooner]

i mean im not sure where the joke was other than that was very generic kinda like the info we already have

[chilly nexus]

I could tell it was a joke but couldn't follow it possibly my bad

[coarse leaf]

honrent

[analog forge]

the joke is hornets past isnt mysterious

[olive bobcat]

Nah I just did a bad job at it

[analog forge]

(also like, literally the first thing hornet does in pharloom is use bind. i dont think she learns how to do that in pharloom)

[olive bobcat]

I was trying to compare SS to Stone Ocean's plot

I think I made it too vague to compare

[tribal schooner]

oh yeah i dont even know that game so i wouldnt have gotten it

[analog forge]

def too vague

[coarse leaf]

She’s gotten herself in a real bind!

[olive bobcat]

It's a manga (and anime )

[warm bone]

(soon)

[analog forge]

not an anime yet

[olive bobcat]

It will be

Giorno's theme fans when they hear Jolyne's theme:

[warm bone]

sbr anime when

[olive bobcat]

A good while

[reef scarab]

Finally it’s my turn to be the gay

[chilly nexus]

I'm with you on dark souls' inter-connectivity (to answer your question now, i have played the game). I haven't found a game yet that rivals that level of connection tbh, and sekiro's inter-connectivity was good but some of it was fudged with the spinning doors. For me though, what makes a metroidvania are the upgrades and abilities that allow you to progress where you otherwise couldn't before (whether or not it was impossible to in the case of something like a double jump, or if you just weren't creative or good enough to make it through with your current skills). idk what officially makes a game a metroidvania, but with that as my criteria, i really liked how sekiro fits the bill. If for you it's all about the inter-connectedness of a world and unlocked shortcuts, 100% that's valid and would make dark souls one

[olive bobcat]

Weather Report:

Male JoJo fans thought they were safe in part 6. They thought wrong.

[reef scarab]

Weather Report is the only good male one though

[olive bobcat]

Did you hear his VA

[reef scarab]

||Pucci|| is already taken and what’s his name dismantled a real human

[warm bone]

I suppose what I value in a metroidvania, the interconnected world, is different than what you value in one.

[chilly nexus]

ye and that's valid

[olive bobcat]

Ngl though I was losing my shit when they put on the trailer

[warm bone]

I have not watched the trailer

[olive bobcat]

Oh it's so good

https://youtu.be/EeCX8Y0a278

[reef scarab]

JOJO STONE OOOCCEEAAANNN

[olive bobcat]

AAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAH

[reef scarab]

I like how one of the beatdowns is literally a certain danganronpa execution

Oh we are going way off topic

[olive bobcat]

Idk if SS was being discussed much before

[warm bone]

just watched it, pretty poggers

[chilly nexus]

stone ocean has the same amount of sylables as silksong and they both start with an s, you're good 👍

[warm bone]

do we know when part 5 is coming to netflix

[olive bobcat]

And Stone Ocean is basically SS anyways
First female protagonist in the series is imprisoned and taken away, using their string powers to survive
And both trailers made me lose it

[warm bone]

basically plagiarism

[analog forge]

hornet is imprisioned for all of 2 seconds

[olive bobcat]

Not for her

[hollow terrace]

cant wait for development insight after silksong release

[analog forge]

Imagine spending weeks in a cage, only for it to be a footnote in the intro movie to your life

[warm bone]

what did she eat

[chilly nexus]

i felt this

[olive bobcat]

Part 6 spoilez ||What if Sherma is actually like Foo Fighters and is a bunch of plankton controlling a body||

[warm bone]

I think thats spoilers

[olive bobcat]

Not major ones

[warm bone]

It would be a spoiler to me if I did not already read the manga

[olive bobcat]

Though yeah I should probs think about that

Tada

[warm bone]

thx

[hollow terrace]

nah you have the right to spoil all the content here

[olive bobcat]

Well if a mod says it-

[reef scarab]

No context spoilers:

♾

[hollow terrace]

as you can see it says "discussion with no limits to spoilers"

[olive bobcat]

⚾☁️

[coarse leaf]

Isn’t this #off-topic

[reef scarab]

☁️ 🚽

[analog forge]

i was gonna gonna throw out a random no context spoiler, but the only one i remember is snape kills dumbledore

[olive bobcat]

No this is #sk-discussion

[coarse leaf]

._.

[olive bobcat]

The most important scene

[chilly nexus]

a baseball farts, and the fart makes its way to the toilet?

[reef scarab]

Jolyne pees herself

[hollow terrace]

you forgot the universe resets in silksong

[warm bone]

🥛 🥶

[reef scarab]

SHH

[analog forge]

I havent read stone ocean yet, and even i know that one window

[olive bobcat]

🧵🤿 👶

[warm bone]

low hanging fruit

[analog forge]

I like how i said yet, as if i'll ever read it

[reef scarab]

I hope I know what the fuck is going on during dragon dream arc in the anime

[tribal schooner]

and that snape was a good guy all along

[analog forge]

dude worked at hogworts, ofc he was a good guy

[warm bone]

🙏

[olive bobcat]

Dragon's Dream is bullshit

[analog forge]

well no, i say that, but like the villians of the first 3 books are people who work at hogworts disguised as voldemort or whatever

[tribal schooner]

no one knew prior to book 7 except JK Rollings and the actor for snape

[reef scarab]

seriously what happened

[olive bobcat]

||It's the next step in JoJo antagonists explaining their moves before using them||

[hollow terrace]

anywhos, im ready for Silksong to just say, just kidding we're a different timeline and all of this was a what if marvel's special

[reef scarab]

Silksong will become real in thirty seconds

[analog forge]

dont jojo antagonists usually explain their moves after using them, though?

[olive bobcat]

Sometimes

[tribal schooner]

its already real. got announced aready

[olive bobcat]

Anyways here's something low effort af

[coarse leaf]

Who’s hornet

[analog forge]

Diavolo, dio, DIO, i dont think kira ever explains his moves except to bluff,

[coarse leaf]

[analog forge]

Pillermen explained their moves before using them i guess

[reef scarab]

Sometimes they don’t even make any moves and pose instead

[analog forge]

flex on the mortals

(literally)

[olive bobcat]

Also spoilers for most parts ||(because Araki loves his timestop). Remember when Kira, Johnny, and others I'm forgetting all found out about time stop after it happening once while Kakyoin died trying to learn?||

[analog forge]

d'arby explained his ability after he used it too.
All the fights i can think of have the villian explain their stuff after using them

[olive bobcat]

Huh, I thought it happened before

More often at least

[analog forge]

Tbf, i dont remember like, the entire first half of part 1

[bleak scarab]

Confused

[analog forge]

so it couldve happened every single fight in that

[olive bobcat]

So 4 episodes

[analog forge]

Sorry, part 3

the first half of part 3

part 1 only had the 2 guys and jack the ripper and dio

[serene chasm]

are you kids talking about them ameemays?

[tribal schooner]

thats so true. i feel like AoT deviates a little, which i like, since they do usually explain the abilities of characters but you learn them at the same pace as the characters and i a more natural way

[analog forge]

Hol horse explains his ability before using it

granted, his ability is "gun" so like, does it really count?

[olive bobcat]

Not really, plus his bullet control was a secret

[analog forge]

It feels like it'd be such a common trope

but im hard pressed to remember anything like it happening

[compact canyon]

I've just entered here

[analog forge]

hello welcome to ssdicussion

[compact canyon]

why are you talking about JoJo's?

[olive bobcat]

Stone Ocean

[analog forge]

Becuase we havent gotten silksong news in like 200 days

[compact canyon]

makes sense to me

[serene chasm]

Nothing makes sense here

[analog forge]

Stone (s)ocean

see? ss\

[bleak scarab]

s.o

[compact canyon]

OMG SILKSONG x JOJO'S COLABORATION??!!!?!?!?1111

[bleak scarab]

what would that be like

[mystic pewter]

bad

[bleak scarab]

fair enough

[reef scarab]

JoJo collaborated with Gucci and even got into the Louvre. Is Silksong and JoJo really out of the question? ||/j||

[analog forge]

yes

hollow knight isnt a "collab" type of game

what makes it great is how self contained it is.
Thing reference it, but it references nothing itself

[reef scarab]

dashmaster sans undertale reference

[bleak scarab]

b4d 71m3

[serene chasm]

HK/Bug Fables crossover please

[novel goblet]

what's the general vibe around here nowadays?

[bleak scarab]

yes

[reef scarab]

we get bored and talk about things other than silksong

[bleak scarab]

dead chat asking if theres silksong news dead chat and off topic

[novel goblet]

bout' the same then. silkhype train slowing down

[bleak scarab]

ye

[serene chasm]

There seems to be an odd amount of vitriol here lately

[novel goblet]

as a certified idiot, what the fuck is 'vitriol' my man?

[analog forge]

vitriol
outrage
hatred

[serene chasm]

basically anger. Ive been noticing a lot of fights between users lately.

[bleak scarab]

really?

[novel goblet]

fighting, cringe

[heady iron]

fighting? like they do in jojo?

[serene chasm]

Obviously its kinda hard to read peoples emotions through text, but yeah. At least it seems that way to me

[bleak scarab]

people are starting to put these joke indicators in their messages

I don't know how to feel about that

[analog forge]

i do know.
I feel its insulting, personally.

[bleak scarab]

eh I can live with it but feel it's kinda dumb

[serene chasm]

Thats been a standard for a while now. I feel like /j is newer but using /s has been around since I started on the internet back in 1877 /s

[bleak scarab]

/j and /s can be useful in some situations the others are eh

[serene chasm]

there are others?

[bleak scarab]

yes-

a lot of others theres full lists

[olive bobcat]

is like /j but cooler

[bleak scarab]

yes

theres literally a indicator for "nobody here"

[serene chasm]

isnt feelspk just feelsbad

[tranquil igloo]

the lore channel is a time loop.

[olive bobcat]

[serene chasm]

But why. The point of the /letter is meant to convey the tone in which the message should be read. nobody here isnt a tone.

[bleak scarab]

apparently used to convey when your vauging someone in a vent

they made it too over complicated just stick to /j /s and /srs damn it

[serene chasm]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
relevant xkcd

[nimble pebble]

Just use common place emotes that convey the emotion of what you’re saying

Who needs /j or /s when you have and

[serene chasm]

Im from a generation that doesnt do emotes

[nimble pebble]

Same

[bleak scarab]

I just make my sarcastic messages really sarcastic

[nimble pebble]

But Zote is so much better than that

[serene chasm]

Also the HK emotes confuse me and 90% of the time I dont know what they are trying to convey

[analog forge]

the only clear emoji meaning is 🤡

[nimble pebble]

Zote is also an all purpose emote they most of us mentally click what it means in any given Circumstance

[analog forge]

Emotes and emojis arent the same thing

:( is an emote
😠 is an emoji

[nimble pebble]

The default shit used on a phone is an emoji the custom emotes are emotes

Or Emoticon if you’re a boomer

[serene chasm]

q(≧▽≦q)

[analog forge]

Emotes superior

[bleak scarab]

Gasp How dare you compare >:( to 😠 >:( is so much better i'm offended and insulted over this meaningless internet text >:((((((((

[analog forge]

:( is indeed so much better

[nimble pebble]

Emote is synonymous with emoji and the superior term to use

[glossy gazelle]

I came back at a good time again

[nimble pebble]

I love ;)

[hollow terrace]

You know what else is good, silksong emotes

[serene chasm]

OwO

[nimble pebble]

True

[bleak scarab]

[hollow terrace]

Any artists willing to make more silksong emotes? modCheck

[nimble pebble]

[olive bobcat]

Please reconsider my guy mrshrigma

[nimble pebble]

We need more characters to emote

[olive bobcat]

It's honestly the best emote

[nimble pebble]

[bleak scarab]

yes

[hollow terrace]

Just leak some silksong information isn’t that the point of silksong fans?

[serene chasm]

why havent you added that emote Window

[hollow terrace]

Reasons

[bleak scarab]

Window were asking you a question

[olive bobcat]

The mods are nitpicky and biased, literally 1984

[bleak scarab]

No you cannot say no to mrshrigma

[frank sparrow]

i am here to die from all the errors that have occurred in a game im making for my uni class

[bleak scarab]

ooh what game

[serene chasm]

gotta make mistakes to learn

[frank sparrow]

eh its just a text based game

[hollow terrace]

Silksong?

[bleak scarab]

text based is good tho :(

[frank sparrow]

i wish

[hollow terrace]

Ari is that you????

[bleak scarab]

Disc hand over the silksong

[frank sparrow]

i dont have it pls let me live i got a dog that needs feeding

[serene chasm]

You wake up after falling down a chasm. You see a needle infront of you, a path forward and a path behind. What do you do?

[frank sparrow]

cry?

[nimble pebble]

Stab Lace

[bleak scarab]

Git gud

[nimble pebble]

Sherma is also an option

[frank sparrow]

yeeshaw?

[nimble pebble]

[bleak scarab]

No needle only buzzsaw

[nimble pebble]

Buzzshaw better

[bleak scarab]

buzzshaw

[serene chasm]

I feel like the buzzsaw tool is gonna suck

[bleak scarab]

You cannot insult our lord and savior the holy buzzshaw

[frank sparrow]

i will be upsetti if the buzzsaw tool sucks

[nimble pebble]

Buzzshaw will be good for a line of enemies

[nimble pebble]

[serene chasm]

I doubt that will happen lots

[frank sparrow]

but what if it does Curly

[left yacht]

Believe

[frank sparrow]

then you gonna be sad because you got no buzzshaw

[serene chasm]

Just one really long hallway filled with enemies

[bleak scarab]

learn how to fly ig and fly over them

[left yacht]

Silksong is just a hallway, good

[bleak scarab]

what is at the end of the hallway though

[glacial wren]

Hollow Knight Silksong

[frank sparrow]

this is a long hallway

[bleak scarab]

it is

[frank sparrow]

been walking it for a while now what day is it? the year?

[bleak scarab]

Not sure...? We've come this far we can't give up now..

[frank sparrow]

i need water

its been so long hatter-

[bleak scarab]

It has? I didn't notice.

We have to be close though

[frank sparrow]

we gotta be

[barren roost]

what
are we talking about the tool?

[frank sparrow]

yes

[reef scarab]

Can’t wait to pin spam

Throwing pins look fun, simple but fast

[serene chasm]

homing pins when?

[cerulean sable]

death to islksong

[left yacht]

You've gone through a lot, haven't you? First you were begging for it, now you want it dead.

[bleak scarab]

Just making you want it more.

[left yacht]

Fair

[cerulean sable]

my hate for hollow knight fans is stronger than my love for silksong

[bleak scarab]

what is hate if not love preserving

[left yacht]

So why'd you take the job? To deal out punishment?

[bleak scarab]

Taco tsundere confirmed

[cerulean sable]

someones gotta do the dirty job

[serene chasm]

It's not like I like silksong baka

[cerulean sable]

shit i could be a Moba hero at this point

i just need a raspy voice and more cheesy one liners

[left yacht]

Should I be glad your willing to do a solid job? I guess I'm not on the tail-end of the punishment.

[bleak scarab]

Yet you linger here often.
Perhaps you secretly enjoy it?

[left yacht]

Understanding TTaco, with your hosts, Kneevun and Top Hatter.

[bleak scarab]

This is Taco's therapy session

[left yacht]

Important business, here.

But I'm sleeping now. Farewell

[bleak scarab]

Farewell, sleep well

[barren roost]

Did you see team cherry gane's new tweet, specifically how many people believed it?

[heavy mason]

Someone said there was a nintendo indiegames direct close

Is that true?

[coarse leaf]

According to leaks, probably. And then an actual direct following it

Those are all just rumors though

[slow juniper]

Hi guys! I've been off this server for awhile but I wanted to come back with a theory, I don't know if it's been discussed yet, but I wanted to prompt a discussion with people who have a deeper understanding of the lore than me

[umbral gazelle]

alrighty

[slow juniper]

I believe that herrah brought both the spider and weaver tribes to deepest with her from pharloom long ago, and that's why there's so much silk influence in pharloom, herrah was escaping some greater evil or powerful creature that was using silk for poor means, hence the land being referred to as haunted or cursed in some way, and all the creatures dropping silk, likely being controlled by some kind of puppetmaster