sk-discussion

[copper knot]

silknever am i right

[gentle loom]

Silk song gonna launch in 3028

[ivory comet]

TEAM CHERRY WE NEED SOMETHING ! A INFO PLEASE !

[gentle loom]

Yea

[hushed wasp]

yep

its been in development for 4-5 years now

[ivory comet]

woua, speedy time

[copper knot]

honestly 4-5 years isnt that long for a game as big as silksong and for a team as small as 3 people

[hushed wasp]

hk was in dev for 4 years

[copper knot]

ive seen a game made with 6 people and only take 2 hours to complete take 2 years to make

just wait i guess

[gentle loom]

Silksong gonna have how many areas hmm

[hushed wasp]

like 13

its bigger than hk atleast

[gentle loom]

Good

[serene chasm]

A bajillion

[pallid flare]

silksong will procedurally generate areas

[hushed wasp]

LMAO

[vivid belfry]

Silksong will let you go an infinite distance off the edge of the map but infinitely spawn giant, unkillable enemies that swarm around and kill you

[hushed wasp]

it will spawn 3 anyrads*

[proud vale]

"Yo guys send me your Silksong seed, I wanna do the daily run"

Confirmed

[simple thicket]

Isn’t this the longest amount of time we’ve gone without any silksong news?

[hushed wasp]

yes

[proud vale]

Didn't we go a whole year at one point?

How long was riddles -> Edge

[simple thicket]

That was like 6 months

[proud vale]

Riddles were 2019, Wasn't edge Jan 2021?

[simple thicket]

Riddles were 2020

[proud vale]

Oh my bad you're right

Well we got news it's releasing in two weeks, no big deal /s

[fiery coral]

we don't know

[copper knot]

at this point just lock the channel until we get actual news n shit

[fossil crane]

When Silksong releases is there going to be a HK/SS combo randomizer?

[raven minnow]

@crisp patio Where does one find this/watch it?

[signal crag]

...subnautica?

[vivid belfry]

[solid python]

[signal crag]

I’ll take that as the equivalent of the “ah, i see you’re a man of culture as well” meme

[vivid belfry]

It's actually my favorite implementation of the "invisible wall" replacement but i understand it only makes sense in very specific circumstances

[signal crag]

Yeah, feels way less forced and “artificial”, but still serves the same purpose

[charred zephyr]

I cant count the days, it's been so long

We havent had anything for 8 months

[signal crag]

Then count the months, should be easier to keep track.

[charred zephyr]

8

[signal crag]

Yeah, just like that

[charred zephyr]

Stronk brain

216 days

Or 30.9 weeks

Or 5184 hours

Or 311040 minutes

Or 18662400 seconds

Approximately

[hushed wasp]

Yeah, 3 ghost leviathans = 3 anyrads

Also, you are both men of culture aswell 😌

[nimble radish]

did someone say subnautica

[vivid belfry]

Oh I hate that cuddlefish emote

[nimble radish]

what about this one

[vivid belfry]

That one is good

[hushed wasp]

Subnautica is easily my favorite game ever

Only the original one

Below zero is a big pile of shit

Actually, Spore™ 2008 is my favorite game ever

Its so much nostalgia

[vivid belfry]

I liked below zero better tbh

I thought the progression was better thought out and the QoL fixes made it a lot smoother, but I do miss the vehicles from the first game

[surreal mortar]

Subnautica is definitely better but I enjoyed below zero a lot still

Base building is far superior

It also looks great

[crisp patio]

the gba game?

[raven minnow]

yeah

the pixel art looking game

[crisp patio]

Its on itch.io

Look it up on Youtube "silksong de-make" and you'll find it

[cerulean sable]

i agree jacoby

[chilly nexus]

ty for the early morning laughs!

if i was drinking i'd've spit take-d

[cerulean sable]

i like the idea of being creepy by staring at a dead channel until someone starts typing, then i say that

but to be frankly honest, its just that i conveniently switched to this channel and saw your typing 😔

[chilly nexus]

it's all good, the effect was there

[oblique mason]

What do you guys think the over under is on Silksong being shown at Gamescom in 3 ish weeks?

[cerulean sable]

it wont

tbh

[chilly nexus]

tbh i never head of gamescon 👀

[pallid flare]

is gamescon still a thing

[cerulean sable]

its like E3 2

or uhh

Little E3

E2

[pallid flare]

I think it's largely german

[cerulean sable]

like its not as huge as it was before but it still has a strong presence

i think mostly for PC games tho

[oblique mason]

It's relatively big. Obviously, the "big game showcases" have been shrinking over the years, even E3, but Gamescom is still one of the bigger events in gaming

[chilly nexus]

Geoff Keighly is also hosting Gamescon wow. The man's got his finger in so many pies

[oblique mason]

Literally gaming Jesus😩

[pallid flare]

this guy is doing everything

[chilly nexus]

tbh, it's possible we'd see SS! but personally idk. i'm not getting too too strong release vibes yet

[cerulean sable]

yeah same

i still bank on Feb

[oblique mason]

Yeah, maybe not release, but hopefully an update. It's been almost 2 years since the last official one

Idk tho, there's 3 options.
1.) Show it off at a general event
2.) Show it off in a Nintendo Direct
Or 3.) Show it off on your own (uploading YouTube vids, updating the blog, that sort of thing)

[fossil crane]

Or just drop it and don't tell anyone

[vivid belfry]

We'll make our own Nintendo direct like yacht club

[oblique mason]

That'd be so ballsy lmao

[surreal mortar]

Do people who haven’t been actively following development for the last 2 years know about the riddles/edge?

[oblique mason]

I mean, i know about them but I've been following development pretty casually since the announcement, so i don't think I count

[sage berry]

mossbag mentioned both of those things in videos to hundreds of thousands of people, so at least to that part of the community, yes

[surreal mortar]

Yeah fair

[oblique mason]

I want that first Edge cover as a poster😩

[surreal mortar]

If you buy the magazine you can stick it on your wall

[cerulean sable]

then you get posts going

"The last update was at 2019 what happened to the game?"

[oblique mason]

I wouldn't count the riddles as an update, as it wasn't very public, but yeah, the Edge magazine was so good

I remember i was at a restaurant when it dropped, bought it right there online

[vivid belfry]

Edge magazine was arguably less accessible than the riddles

[sage berry]

I was eating dorito when phone ring
"edge magazine"
"yes"

[surreal mortar]

Isn’t APWOT like €20 or something

[oblique mason]

Yeah, but casual fans of the game and people in general probably wouldn't know about the riddles unless they were in this specific server

[surreal mortar]

If it is can someone pirate it and dm me lol

[sage berry]

nice try
we know it's you benji

[surreal mortar]

F

But fr though plz

Would be appreciated

[languid linden]

Pirating is against the rules, probably shouldn't discuss it and definitely don't ask for someone to pirate things for you

[surreal mortar]

Very Sorry

[sage berry]

ok mr not benji
I heard every sequelist has at least one pirated copy

[surreal mortar]

Idk how they’re gonna sell at €20

Literally more expensive then the game

[hushed wasp]

Guys uh

Why do hornets lifeblood masks
Look like the knights masks

Serious answer/speculations please

[surreal mortar]

Because it was made early in development

It’s going to change for release more then likely

[sage berry]

1. TC isn't pricing the magazine 2. shipping and material cost money

[surreal mortar]

Yeah I know

But for digital that’s a bit ridiculous

[rich fractal]

Is the TC interview out or something?

[sweet lotus]

and also it isn't all about TC and Silksong in that magazine ...

[gray shell]

i just had a dream where silksong released

[reef scarab]

“Please note that Leth has confirmed that these riddles have taken the place of this month's blogpost.”

[olive bobcat]

How are they not if they gave us the most important news, Seth

[chilly nexus]

Think of it more like a nice coffee table book vs magazine. There's a ton of artowrk in it and it's ticc

[vivid belfry]

Probably because they copy pasted the code to make the system work and didn't change the sprites before recording the trailer

[hushed wasp]

yeah i realise that now

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[odd plover]

My take on it is that lifeblood works the same way with everyone

It's not that it looks like the knight's mask, it's that lifeblood simply looks like that

[bronze plinth]

i don't think so, imo @vivid belfry answer makes more sense

[odd plover]

I know but I tried to give a solution that made sense lore wise

Its more interesting that way

[bronze plinth]

i won't venture into lore talking with a trailer that isn't from a final version of the game

[outer frost]

Hey guys we talking about Milkbong here?

I hope that instead of dream boss equivalents we just get whole new bosses

Bc dream bosses were fun (a few of them were at least) I feel like it would've been better to have new bosses entirely

But I understand why they did dream bosses

[vivid belfry]

The appearance of lifeblood in hollow knight is based on the health system visuals, and the HP visuals are based on the ancient mask inventory item

Hornet has a different looking mask in her inventory

[odd plover]

The knight is the pale king

[vivid belfry]

Anything that would be a dream boss can just be a rematch like hornet 2/enraged guardian

[olive bobcat]

And it'd just make sense for the bonus masks to match the player's normal masks

[vivid belfry]

I think having boss rematches is a good way to further flesh out cool early game attack patterns into proper challenges

[lost bay]

The thing I'm looking forward to the most about SS is how it's going to answer so many questions and definitely not leave a lot of ambiguity so there's three million fan theories on why bug's masks are white

[vivid belfry]

And I still wish Gruz mother's slightly diagonal slam spam was reused somewhere because it's a really cool concept

[vivid belfry]

Most bugs don't wear masks, question answered

[lost bay]

Idk the invisible mask theory is pretty compelling

[languid linden]

Those are faces, not masks

Question answered again

[past walrus]

I'm going fucking crazy, I had kinda forgotten about SS for a while, but recently I've watched my friend experience HK for the first time and now I'm back obsessing over SS, I just want a new game to play so bad

[languid linden]

There are lots of great games out there

Have you played Ori?

[past walrus]

I've played for 3.5 hours but I didn't really get hooked

[languid linden]

Was it the first or second game

[past walrus]

I do want to get hooked though because the soundtrack is just phenomenal

Ori and the blind forest

[languid linden]

Yeah, that one is a little harder to get hooked to

Will of the Wisps is a lot better, but bf is still playing imo

[bronze plinth]

i'm like 6hrs in blind forest and can confirms...it's a slow start but it gets better

[past walrus]

Yeah i've heard so, WotW got crazy good reviews

[bronze plinth]

I like the skill tree unlock mechanic tho

[past walrus]

ya it's cool

[languid linden]

yeah

[past walrus]

very simple but I liked it

[full patrol]

imo the skill tree is better in BF than WotW

[languid linden]

Even the combat system got good at the end

[languid linden]

Well, WotW doesn't have a skill tree at all

[full patrol]

but it does have that weird upgrade system

[languid linden]

Only for the weapons you get from Opher

[surreal mortar]

I just finished WotW

[full patrol]

after like 4 hours of gameplay i didnt care about it anymore

[past walrus]

I have no idea why I have two copies of blind forest in my library, got one regular and one definitive edition

[surreal mortar]

I definitely prefer the second one to the first but for the most part the series is over rated

[lost bay]

Man I tried to like Ori so hard but it just doesn't scratch that HK itch

[past walrus]

The game felt very game-y to me and I couldn't really get immersed in the world

[surreal mortar]

Same

[past walrus]

No NPC's to interract with didn't help

[lost bay]

Yeah it felt pretty bland

I didn't even like 2d platformers but HK got me f'd up

[surreal mortar]

There’s NPCs in the second one but they feel like hk rip offs

[lost bay]

Eh I mean you could say the NPC's in HK are a DS ripoff

[surreal mortar]

Nah they have personality

[lost bay]

I meant more in terms of the mechanics

[past walrus]

A lot of HK is "stolen" ideas, team cherry even said so themselves lol, and that is a lot of games today

[surreal mortar]

Ori 2 has a map guy that’s just a blatant copy of cornifer

[lost bay]

It's not a bad thing, they 'Cherry' picked one of the best parts about the Souls series

[surreal mortar]

I don’t mind ori 2 taking stuff though cause imo it made the second one better

[lost bay]

NPC's that don't matter unless you feel like they do

[past walrus]

I wouldn't say souls is the biggest inspiration, far from it even. Most of the inspo came from old games like Zelda, megaman and so on

[analog forge]

Metroid cough cough

[nimble pebble]

HK is a rip off of Zelda 1

[surreal mortar]

One thing I didn’t like about WotW is that the ability progression is basically the exact same as the first one

[ember geode]

I really liked ori cause god damn the movement is so fluid

[past walrus]

It's not like Souls was the first to introduce fun quirky NPC's

[cerulean sable]

they specifically mentioned DS wasnt their main inspiration afaik

[ember geode]

Just launching yourself everywhere and what not is so satisfying

[lost bay]

I'm hoping SS takes a bit more of an RPG approach for the NPC's with different endings for them

[surreal mortar]

I think people mostly site dark souls because it’s difficult and has environmental story telling

[ember geode]

Honestly the beginning of silksong isn’t as blands as hollow knight so that’s gonna be something really good

[past walrus]

Yeah definitely hoping that the SS is more RPG complex

[gray shell]

i just like that hornet can talk

[ember geode]

many people left the game because of how bland hollow knight beginning is

[surreal mortar]

I love the atmosphere of forgotten crossroads

[lost bay]

Don't get me wrong HK is great as it is but most of the options for NPC's are just interact or don't interact

[trim estuary]

What if hornet loses her voice after deep docks

[ember geode]

After a while it does become nostalgic and depressing, kinda shows what hallownest has been through

[past walrus]

Part of why the beginning of HK is so bland is because how the game was developed. It was intended to be a short 3 hour game but they just kept expanding on it

[lost bay]

Infested Crossroads OST is prime sound design

[nimble pebble]

Not my fault some people have the attention span of a hamster and cant do something for 30 minutes if it's not mind blowing

[lost bay]

Bruh I have ADHD and I still managed it

[nimble pebble]

Same

[lost bay]

Althought tbf I was introduced through fireb0rn

Hard to not keep playing after seeing some of his runs

[past walrus]

Also why the lore and story feels so unfocused and "up to your interpretation" is because the devs at the time didn't really know either. It evolved organically

[ember geode]

I didn’t say it is ur fault, tho yeah attentian span higher than 10 seconds is needed

[nimble pebble]

I was introduced by a friend

[ember geode]

Same

[trim estuary]

I was introduced through game pass and reintroduced through fireb0rn 9 months later

[analog forge]

I was introduced through word of mouth

[lost bay]

Although I take the piss a bit about how many fan theories there are it's kind of become endearing

[nimble pebble]

I feel it's because they mostly couldn't bother to think up all these things

[cerulean sable]

Grimm Troupe Boomers where you at

got it because i thought it looked cute

[ember geode]

Team cherry really took the “if we don’t know shit then you probably won’t” route

[nimble pebble]

Where are the Grimm zoomer fanboys/fangirls

[ember geode]

in hk meme probably

[trim estuary]

why’re your tortilla

[nimble pebble]

Probably

[lost bay]

In a way it's good that a lot of it is unknown because what fans think of is sometimes the best type of storytelling

[past walrus]

Yeah they just make shit up that looks cute and went with it, "how did the knight get out from the abyss?" TC: lol who knows

[lost bay]

But also it is annoying that so much is left ambiguous

[nimble pebble]

Probably deepnest

There's a bunch of vessels in Nosk's lair

[lost bay]

Imo there's probably other ways out of the Abyss but they just lead outside of Hallownest

[trim estuary]

Might’ve been a hole that was open for awhile and then sealed somehow by the big crawling thingies

[past walrus]

I mean it is a very good way to make people interested. Everything doesn't always need a canon answer, when players make their own conclusions you get that "magical" feel

[ember geode]

Indie games always have weird and complicated lores, except cuphead

[lost bay]

There's a fair amount of games and even TV series that straight up steal fan theories and make them canon because they were better than what they originally had planned

[nimble pebble]

TK is the only known vessel to leave hallownest and we have no reason to believe otherwise, not to mention since they were called back we would have seen the others if they had escaped the closest one we know is the greenpath vesel

[ember geode]

Poor guy, killed by hornet and couldn’t get to a bench

[nimble pebble]

[lost bay]

Well it's ambiguous if TK was called personally or not or even whether it was Radiance or HK that called him iirc

[nimble pebble]

No, it was Radiance

THK has no voice to cry suffering

And that was specifically the scream of the infection by extension Rad

[vivid belfry]

Okay but the audio isn't what attracted the knight

[nimble pebble]

Well yeah I know

[vivid belfry]

The dreamers themselves question what drew back the knight

It was fuckin one of yas

[nimble pebble]

Radiance rearing her ugly moth head

[dapper aspen]

does anyone know if we’ve heard like anything from team cherry? I’d love to see just a “developments going good” announcement from them…

[trim estuary]

The void wants to conquer the light right? So if the light calls out, maybe the void part of TK wanted to smother it?

[nimble pebble]

They've told us that alot

[dapper aspen]

really

[nimble pebble]

"still working on the game"

[vivid belfry]

Graig and Leth repeat it every time somebody asks for a release date

[dapper aspen]

Where did they send the message lol

[trim estuary]

Several times

[dapper aspen]

I wanna see it to believe it

[languid linden]

It's not vague though, it's just hard to find

[nimble pebble]

Had more to do with TK and any vessels inherent purpose which is to seal or kill Rad

[lost bay]

If I had to bet money it'd probably be HK, HK probably knew the seal wouldn't last much longer since he was getting pretty damn infested and we know he knows TK exists from the scene in the abyss, whether he personally called for HK or just called in general and HK heard it since they're both abyss born is debatable though imo

[nimble pebble]

@vivid belfry Hey Grover I did P4AB earlier

[vivid belfry]

Nice

AB PV is one of the most intense parts of the game

[dapper aspen]

I’m new to this discord and stuff, so where did they update us on that

[lost bay]

HK is still somewhat in control since he stabs himself like 30 times in his boss fight

[dapper aspen]

thx

[trim estuary]

Well, you’ll have to scroll up in here
a lot

[nimble pebble]

THK may have had world sense but it was being controlled by Rad at that point, not to mention it doesn't have any ability to call out to another vessel

[dapper aspen]

Lol, just tell me which account sent the message

[languid linden]

Yeah they're not conventionally infected

[dapper aspen]

if u remember

[trim estuary]

It’s several messages since people asked several times, it was Leth and Graig (don’t ping them)

[dapper aspen]

I won’t

[languid linden]

Either Leth#0001 or Graig#2516

[nimble pebble]

THK stabbing itself is regaining some control mid fight

[vivid belfry]

I mean, if a Vessel can psychically detect the breakout of radiance, who's to say they can't psychically broadcast the same message

[dapper aspen]

Thanks

[vivid belfry]

Vessels have long distance coms in at least one direction

[nimble pebble]

Don't we follow the logic if there's no reason to believe something exists due to lack of evidence we just assume it doesn't

[vivid belfry]

I mean we have no evidence that radiance unwittingly broadcasts her location and status across the entire world either

[lost bay]

HK defo wasn't conventionally infested so even if he doesn't have that ability himself it's also possible he could've piggybacked on the Radiance's ability

[nimble pebble]

Feels more likely however

[vivid belfry]

Either rad did it on accident or THK did it on purpose, I don't really see a reason to assume either one is more valid

[nimble pebble]

Before someone jumps on you for it THK is a "it" or a "they/them"

[vivid belfry]

If one was intended to be definitive, this topic probably would have been addressed in more than one line of dialogue from people who don't have any inclination either

[lost bay]

Yeah I don't see Rad doing it on purpose lmao would be pretty dumb since she's calling literally the only thing that has the potential to stop her that we know of

And the seals would've broken eventually

[nimble pebble]

We don't know if Rad knows whether or not a vessel could stop her

[vivid belfry]

The seals don't have to break

All that needs to break is THK

[languid linden]

Eh probably not

[lost bay]

Well we do because HK literally did albeit temporarily

[vivid belfry]

Wait long enough and it probably would have totally rotted away

The infection kills its host in other instances

[languid linden]

The Dreamers would have to be killed for them to break, and they have seals preventing physical damage being done to them

[lost bay]

Well Rad was still able to influence the whole of Hallownest even sealed within HK

[nimble pebble]

All Rad knows is one tried, not that it could, she wasn't aware that TK was going to turn into a Higher being and slap her to death while THK opens her like a bag of chips or just a bitchslap from SL

[languid linden]

Plus it's pretty much impossible to kill Monomon because of Quirrel and the mask and stuff

[crisp patio]

@pallid flare AHhhh, i knew that i had seen you before

[pallid flare]

hello there

[stoic jacinth]

I've got no idea why but i just noticed as i watched the SS trailer that these are most likely cut enemies, as in the nintendo treehouse we saw completely different ones

[nimble pebble]

[lost bay]

Yeah she didn't know she'd die but she abso would've known she could be sealed again and the seal only works because Rad is contained inside HK, and since HK was slowly failing to contain her it was only a matter of time, dreamers or not

[stoic jacinth]

this is the kinda stuff they're working on when they say "continual polishing" jeez

[nimble pebble]

They're just hiding

[silver oak]

This is probably a different area of moss grotto

[stoic jacinth]

It may be, but it looks pretty similar to the Treehouse area

[languid linden]

She probably thought she could kill the Knight

[silver oak]

We most likely did not see the version of the grotto that will be in the final game

[lost bay]

Ahh yes, w ö r m

[stoic jacinth]

Yeah that's what im saying haha

[silver oak]

Therefore, not cut enemies

[stoic jacinth]

the current moss grotto ones look much better

[stoic jacinth]

In the treehouse?

[nimble pebble]

They look like NPC's not enemies though

[silver oak]

These "current" ones you speak of are more than 2 years old

[stoic jacinth]

Hornet kills them in the trailer

[languid linden]

Getting through all those infected bugs plus Hornet and the Mantises is nearly impossible

[lost bay]

Likely not before being sealed again at best, would make more sense to bide her time and wait for HK to be offed

[nimble pebble]

I don't see the problem

[stoic jacinth]

That's fair, I suppose my whole view around that is just that the area looked very "done" if you will, but i guess that proves nothing

[languid linden]

The Hollow Knight is a lot weaker than they once were, but with the infection empowering them they are still kinda strong

Getting to THK is nearly impossible though

[lost bay]

I mean offed by Rad

Or infested I suppose

Either or

[nimble pebble]

Would infested even be the correct term since it's literally called the infection

[languid linden]

Vessels can't be conventionally infected because of the Void

[nimble pebble]

indeed

[lost bay]

HK could though not conventionally, hence the whole plot of HK. He wasn't entirely void.

[nimble pebble]

Vessels are shaes animating the shell of dead children

[languid linden]

THK is holding the heart of the infection inside themselves, and even then they can still somewhat control themselves (which we see when they stab themselves)

[lost bay]

Yeah but if he was entirely void he'd be able to contain it perfectly a la TK

[vivid belfry]

What

[languid linden]

Uhh no

[vivid belfry]

The knight isn't made entirely of void

And also likely fails to stop the infection permanently

(Unless they kill the shit out of radiance)

[languid linden]

1. TK isn't fully Void
2. Void isn't hollow
3. Void can't focus the infection

[lost bay]

Pretty sure the white lady says he can permanently contain it unlike HK since he isn't contaminated like HK was

Or at least alludes to it being permanent

[languid linden]

She does

[vivid belfry]

And she's never been wrong about that kind of thing before

[languid linden]

Buuuut Void Heart and Jinn both explicitly state they have a will, and they demonstrate having a mind several times

[languid linden]

That too

[vivid belfry]

Void heart itself is triggered by a transformative revelation

[nimble pebble]

Que goose with knife saying "peace was never an option"

[vivid belfry]

Pure vessels do not have transformative revelations

[lost bay]

Tbf I don't think either of them knew they'd made HK flawed until it was too late

By that point it was pretty much him or Rad victory

[hollow terrace]

yours don't but my are simply built different

[lost bay]

And by either I mean Lady and King

[languid linden]

Tbh I have no idea how having an enormous revelation can unify black eldritch death goop under your will

[vivid belfry]

The power of empathy and unifying the working class

[nimble pebble]

Why didn't you just say Queen and King

[vivid belfry]

Also kingsoul is wicked powerful

[languid linden]

Or shatter the world's most powerful wedding ring

[lost bay]

Probably because all of the vessels are black eldritch goop just given physical form and most of it is mindless

[vivid belfry]

Incorrect

[languid linden]

Lighthouse

[nimble pebble]

Void given form is LoS

[vivid belfry]

The void isn't mindless, it's just directionless

[lost bay]

Tomato tomato

[vivid belfry]

When pushed, it's capable of psychic communication bordering on mind control

[languid linden]

Not really

[vivid belfry]

Definitely has intelligence

[lost bay]

It lacks a unifying will

[languid linden]

That is true

But it still has a splintered mind pre-Void Heart

[lost bay]

Imo it just tries to consoom everything, the lighthouse stuff happened because it gave it a unifying purpose of stopping it

Otherwise it's pretty much some dumb eldritch goop that eats anything it can

[vivid belfry]

Dumb doesn't mean mindless though

A sufficiently dumb vessel cannot contain the radiance

[coarse leaf]

Silk song isn’t real

[vivid belfry]

(Zote vessel theorists don't interact)

[nimble pebble]

The void be like "ey yo I'm trying to sleep turn that light off"

[lost bay]

I mean it's less intelligent than an animal without a unifying purpose, animals think about fucking feeding and sleeping, black eldritch goop just want to feed

[nimble pebble]

Black eldritch goop wants to murder everything

[lost bay]

But again with a unifying will like Void Heart TK it can be pretty damn ingenious

[nimble pebble]

It's got the power of vessel mind

[lost bay]

I'm kind of curious whether other Vessels could control it tbh

[vivid belfry]

Any vessel who went through the same nightmare shit as the knight

[lost bay]

HK seems the most likely candidate after TK

[languid linden]

Theoretically yes, but they seem to all be dead so no

[lost bay]

Just interesting to think about whether you could potentially have an army of Uber Vessels

[vivid belfry]

Only one kingsoul

[lost bay]

Honestly kind of hope they bring TK back at some point since most of the endings leave his fate ambiguous but they'd have to decide on a canon ending which probably won't ever happen

[vivid belfry]

And one of the manufacturers went out of business

[lost bay]

You right I'm dumb as hell

[vivid belfry]

All of TK's endings are either body destruction or permanent entrapment so it won't be coming back

[normal hinge]

well ss

[vivid belfry]

Well I guess the pharloom fucks could break it out but why would they

[lost bay]

Idk Godseeker ending without the flower would be pretty well set up for a sequel

[hollow terrace]

Ain’t that fucking ironic

[lost bay]

Although I doubt we'd get knight in his usual form probably more void-y

[normal hinge]

shell poofed

[languid linden]

VH is part of the shade so I'd say TK is still alive in the endings were Rad dies

Just without a shell

[lost bay]

Yeah hard agree, he probably exists just as goopy black eldritch shit

Honestly it'd be a pretty easy set up for a main villain

Just depends how badly Cherry wants to not canonise an ending

Other wise we'll probably have goopy knight trying to consoom everything at some point down the line

[languid linden]

Idk I doubt they'd do that

TK never really struck me as a guy who wanted to destroy all of Hallownest

[lost bay]

TK defo doesn't but the goopy black eldritch poop only has one desire and that's to consoom

TK used it to blitz Rad but it wouldn't be far fetched to imagine it had an effect on him too

[nimble pebble]

SL and LoS are HB and we have no evidence of malevolence

[vivid belfry]

SL isn't even malevolent enough to destroy godhome on the way out of the dream world

Godseeker only got gooped because she was basically THK for shade lord

And BOY rad would be pissed to see that if she was still alive

[nimble pebble]

Probably dead af but if she was alive she'd just get deaded a second time

[vivid belfry]

"YOU CAN JUST LEAVE?"
"yeah I can just leave"

[full patrol]

SL and LoS?

[languid linden]

TK controls all un-unified Void and is the Shade Lord. I see no reason for why they'd have a personality change

[languid linden]

Shade Lord and Lord of Shades

[nimble pebble]

tbf Godseeker isn't sealed

[languid linden]

Oh right this is #sk-discussion. Time to talk about tools

[vivid belfry]

I think it's more to do with the fact that radiance can't physically annihilate her host

[hushed wasp]

Godseeker either gets eaten by void or eaten by a flower

[vivid belfry]

Well she can but very slowly

[nimble pebble]

true

[lost bay]

I'm imagining a kind of look into the abyss and the abyss looks back kind of scenario

[nimble pebble]

SL be like "Hold my beer"

[restive spoke]

anybody heard any juicy rumours?

[hushed wasp]

nope

[vivid belfry]

Silksong will have a bug in it

[lost bay]

Hard to imagine all that void power comes without any consequences at all

[hushed wasp]

I do have one juicy rumour though
||Hornet is void||
^ potential silksong/hollow knight spoilers

[normal hinge]

I've heard that a new gex game is being worked on

[restive spoke]

W H A T

[restive spoke]

hahaha very funny

[hushed wasp]

Yeah dont

[lost bay]

Well it's either Sly's or Elderbug's

[hollow terrace]

Aight don’t start

[lost bay]

Devs haven't decided which one yet

[hushed wasp]

Window i feel your pain

people keep making these kind of jokes

[lost bay]

Could be worse

It could be confirmed lmao

[hollow terrace]

^

[nimble pebble]

I have one for you too || ||

[hushed wasp]

BRO WHY DID YOU SPOIL THAT

[lost bay]

Not cool

[hushed wasp]

im going to sue you 😔

[nimble pebble]

[lost bay]

New SS leak!!! Hornet can dab confirmed !

[nimble pebble]

[hushed wasp]

what do you mea-

jail

[vivid belfry]

Jail for mother! Jail for mother for 1000 years!

[lost bay]

I'm so excited for SS to release in 2032 ngl

[nimble pebble]

[lost bay]

Lady Dimitrornet

[hushed wasp]

The false knights shell seems to drop those shards used in silksong to repair tools

false knight = hornet confirmed /j

[lost bay]

Honestly I give it like three days from release before we start getting no hit runs because everyone will be so disgustingly good after all that pantheon practice

[hushed wasp]

I thibk everyone is gonna take it slow

[nimble pebble]

Hornets controls will be different but I would assume that some of us would already be good yeah

[hushed wasp]

like really slow
We all wanna uncover new lore

• We dont wanna wait 4 years for 1 day of gameplay

[nimble pebble]

But it's going to take awhile for everyone to find the best tool combos

[hushed wasp]

and get control of hornet

[lost bay]

Speedrunners be like zooooom

[hushed wasp]

She feels more like ori lmao

[vivid belfry]

I can guarantee you completion on day one is not going to possible

I played the absolute shit out of hollow knight during summer vacation and it still took me like a week and a total of 50 hours

[lost bay]

I'll take that guarantee in the form of a contract

[vivid belfry]

And i have a job now so no more 10 hour days

[lost bay]

Idk I can see some people pulling a sicky and doing a 24 hr playthrough straight from release

[vivid belfry]

Beating the game sure, but not 100%

[hushed wasp]

Basegame took me like 70 hours
112% took me 70 + 10 hours
Pantheon 5 took me 10 hours

• Silksong will probably release when i have school again so ill only play like 1-2-3 hours a day

[lost bay]

And by some people

I mean me

[vivid belfry]

That 50 hour number was from before any content packs came out btw

[reef scarab]

60 hours seems like the average 100-112% time

[vivid belfry]

Godhome alone is a fucking huge extension to that

[hushed wasp]

And these 70 basegame hours were because i knew EVERYTHING about hollowknight

I know nothing about silksong

[lost bay]

I think it'll depend how much the controls of HK translate over to SS

[hushed wasp]

Except for the trailers n stuff

[vivid belfry]

I don't think the controls matter that much

[lost bay]

And how similarly the bosses behave

[hushed wasp]

They dont
Lace is the second boss and did you see how hard she looked compared to hornet 1 in basegame

[vivid belfry]

Hollow knight boss fights are primarily about pattern memorization, and we don't know these patterns

[hushed wasp]

.

[lost bay]

True but it depends how difficult and time consuming it'll be to learn them

[nimble pebble]

Moss Mother is just more AI advanced Vengefly king

[hushed wasp]

Im sad that there wont be a godhome style thing for silksong

[nimble pebble]

No godhome doesn't mean no bossrush it just means no godhome

[lost bay]

Godhome nearly put me in anger management

[reef scarab]

Probably no boss rush I just hope for a refight system

[hushed wasp]

They said no boss rushes iirc

[lost bay]

There are two types of people who play godhome, those who feel like punching their screen after 5 minutes and masochists

I've been to S&M parties less painful than some of my attempts at p5

[nimble pebble]

They said "I hope they aren't expecting another Godhome"

[hushed wasp]

I did pantheon 5 first try 😎
..
...

[nimble pebble]

P5 is pretty fun but an endurance grind

[hushed wasp]

So basically i hope they arent expecting another boss rush

[lost bay]

Same the rest were just practice runs

[nimble pebble]

Not necessarily, just not in the Godhome style, Godhome isn't the only way to do a boss rush

[lost bay]

I hope it's more of an optional game mode tbf

[hushed wasp]

I hope they arent expecting another godhome isnt focusing on godhome itself but the rush system

Also two of the same dlcs (bossrushes) would be lame

[chilly nexus]

Literally the BIGGEST point of contention for me in SS, is tools and tool combos. Tool combos and tool mastery I want to be greatly, greatly encouraged in SS, with tools having unique purposes and you consciously going "X would be great here!" or learning the intricacies of a certain tool and being able to use it well. I see tools (at least, the active ones) following a system very similar to Sekiro's prosthetics (like, very similar tbh. shell shards are a spirit emblem analogy), and each prosthetic for the most part having unique circumstances where you would think to use them and where their use would provide you with significant benefit. like shuriken's on lady butterfly, or the phoenix umbrella on DoH, or the firecrackers on basically anyone.

[hushed wasp]

i am going to completely defy the meta in SS

[lost bay]

Sekiro prosthetics were brilliant

[hushed wasp]

i did HK very linear and im gonna do SS in the fun way

minion build lesgo 😌

[nimble pebble]

But what tool combo is best for Symphony of Pharloom silk restriction

[chilly nexus]

I think SS tools will be very similar with shell shards following the spirit emblem system almost exactly. I'd love it if we got certain attack combos with tools like the sekiro skills, but idk

[hushed wasp]

Didnt they confirm in the Edge magazine that tools would interact with eachother

[lost bay]

It'd definitely be a good gameplay choice imo

[tall hinge]

i also saw a point where lets say youre fighting a boss that is very challenging and you keep dying over and over, and each time you die you have to refill your tool "bar, amount" whatever - eventually youll run out of materials to keep restocking. this brings up a big problem imo

[nimble pebble]

How about idk give up on the boss for now

Or try a different tool combo

[vivid belfry]

This problem is somewhat remedied by shell shard pouches being a thing

[hushed wasp]

imo if you die to a boss it should reset to the last bench you sat on and not lose anything

[chilly nexus]

I mean, so far we've seen that shell shards are a currency that are used up when you use active tools (ala spirit emblems and prosthetics), which each tool using up a unique amount of shards (prosthetics), and after you've used up your allotment of shards for each tool, you need to rest to "repair" your tools using your stored shards (prosthetics). The main differences are how each tool uses its own pool of shards vs all prosthetics sharing the same pool of emblems, and that your overall shard capacity isn't infinite but limited

[tall hinge]

its not that simple in game development, it disrupts the flow of a boss fight and attempting difficult bosses i think

[vivid belfry]

Each tool doesn't use its own pool of shards though

[hushed wasp]

I mean how would you repair a lifeblood syringe with just shell shards

Dont you need lifeblood

[nimble pebble]

It's pretty simple to not throw your resources at a boss to no avail if you can't beat it

[normal hinge]

no

[chilly nexus]

I mean like, you can equip 2 red tools, and red tool X gets A uses while Y gets B uses. Using X a lot does not reduce the amount of uses B has

[vivid belfry]

Oh you meant specifically with dual wielding

[tall hinge]

imo a big part of the fun of hollow knight towards the endgame - for example NKG - was attempting it over and over until you succeed. losing that would be losing a big part of the fun of trying to beat these challenges

[nimble pebble]

Also shell shards are only used for active tools as far as I know

[chilly nexus]

Repairing when you rest uses the same shell shards ye, but every tool is given its own allotment of shards at rest, vs all active tools sharing an allotment

[nimble pebble]

Soul is an infinitely renewable resource though

[tall hinge]

what are you even talking about pillow king

[nimble pebble]

Shell shards probably are also but you actually have to go collect them

[hushed wasp]

Like for example as we saw in the milksong treehouse thing, renewing ONE of those throwy things was 6 shards

[chilly nexus]

Me not using my bullets or potions in bloodborne while learning a boss

[nimble pebble]

Nah, what are you talking about

[nimble pebble]

See this guy gets it

[tall hinge]

i meant in that specific sentence, it didnt make sense to the message you were replying to. i get what youre saying overall. i shouldve phrased it better sorry

[hushed wasp]

You actually shouldnt use your nail since you have to click, meaning you have to use your hand, meaning you are burning your bodies resources 😳

[chilly nexus]

luckily we don't need to farm for ATP, our inventories are always stocked with food

[vivid belfry]

I don't think encouraging grinding is a good solution to the problem pitta is talking about pillow

[chilly nexus]

it's as simple as quickly resting at the kitchen table

[tall hinge]

yeah going out of your way to get more materials gets you out of the zone of fighting a boss, but i guess not using any materials while learning is a good strategy

[nimble pebble]

You talked about NKG but NKG is in HK and HK has a infinite renewable source I.E soul, shell shards have to be grinded for if you run out meaning throwing your shell shards at the boss is stupid and your point is invalid for trying to use a finite renewable source against a infinitely renewable source

[hushed wasp]

As we saw, you could only have 400 shell shards at a time, i hope we can upgrade the cap

[chilly nexus]

you can! was in a secret room in the demo

[hushed wasp]

To 2000 eventually is what i hope for

[reef scarab]

It was said in edge that you can

[vivid belfry]

His point was that the infinitely renewable resource makes the process of grinding out a boss more sustainable

[tall hinge]

that is exactly what i was trying to say.... in HK it wasnt a problem because soul is renewable just by hitting stuff but in SS its different so thats what were discussing

[nimble pebble]

I can agree but it simply isn't applicable here

[vivid belfry]

And it lets you use your entire toolkit the whole time

[hushed wasp]

Wait really!!
Ayy!!

Man this game is giving me things i didnt even know i wanted until now

[vivid belfry]

Shell shard pouch isn't a size upgrade

[chilly nexus]

While it's a valid issue and strategy, bloodborne was much worse than SS might be, because you chug through potions and they were a pain to farm. And they were also your main source of healing... We can use a ton more tools before running out of shards in ss, and tools also aren't as essential, so it should be ok

[vivid belfry]

It's basically the same as rosary strings, but for shell shards

[chilly nexus]

legit?

[nimble pebble]

Well Sooooorry that Hornet isn't a creature designed to steal bugs's life force and actually has to repair her tools manually

[vivid belfry]

According to the only guy I've seen actually talk about them like 2 years ago when the demo was running

[reef scarab]

Silksong will probably be good

[hushed wasp]

Oh so i cant upgrade the cap?
But 400 shell shards is not enough for how many tools we eventually can use...

[nimble pebble]

That was during the demo

[chilly nexus]

i feel like that would make less sense than having an upgrade-able cap to shard capacity. It's basically a 1 use, temporary capacity upgrade that way

[reef scarab]

You can, they said it in edge magazine

[nimble pebble]

We can probably upgrade the cap in the full game

[chilly nexus]

with rosary strings it makes sense cuz you lose rosaries on death

[hushed wasp]

oh ok

[vivid belfry]

I mean we don't have any evidence that she'll shard cap DOESN'T exist, it's just not pouches

[hushed wasp]

she'll shard

[vivid belfry]

And you lose shell shards by dying to the same boss a million times

She'll shard pouches seem aimed at THIS EXACT problem

[tall hinge]

you bring up a great point! i wonder how it will affect the gameplay of SS since its so different from the way you used to fight in HK

[chilly nexus]

but it's the same thing as getting to hold 400 beforehand, except now you're holding like 440

[hushed wasp]

but wont we need a million she'll shard pouches then

[vivid belfry]

Yes but pouches don't drop like candy from enemies

They're only useful if you need to get a lot instantly and you can only use them once (Unless they're purchasable)

[hushed wasp]

maybe we can have a 2 to 1 conversion rate
(Rosary to shard)

[hushed wasp]

From a vendor btw

[nimble pebble]

People only don't like the idea of shell shards having a finite number that you can hold because it takes away the convenience of being able to use an infinite source and you have to ration a material like a normal human being

[reef scarab]

I don’t think you lose shards when you die

[vivid belfry]

Anyway we already know that this is how pouches work

[hushed wasp]

But repairing tools costs shards

[chilly nexus]

my gut of intuitiveness says in the final game, the shell shard pouches will be permanent capacity upgrades vs consumables. I don't think consumable shell shard bonuses make much sense with how you can already farm them up before hand and are forced to very slowly burn through them each rest

[vivid belfry]

Shard capacity upgrades can also be a thing

[hushed wasp]

I hope because 400 def is not enough

[reef scarab]

…as what they said in edge

[vivid belfry]

You can also farm rosaries

[tall hinge]

pillow idk what you want me to say i think how it worked in HK was pretty good and enjoyable? it doesnt have to be realistic after all its a video game, right?

[chilly nexus]

but those you lose very quickly on death

[vivid belfry]

Like, intentional farming is not a good design solution

[tall hinge]

im not saying they need to change it im just discussing how it will work and affect the gameplay is silksong, nothing against anyone

[vivid belfry]

Not in a metroidvania

[chilly nexus]

with shell shards, you get like 40 deaths. a shell shard pouch consumable affords you like 5 more deaths before having to farm

[reef scarab]

I think they said something about having necklaces that boost max shell shard count

[chilly nexus]

the benefit of that is tiny vs not loosing all of your rosaries on death

[vivid belfry]

Also we still don't know that rosary loss is permanent

[nimble pebble]

Nothing wrong with how HK works just saying it's funny how people will complain the moment any sort of survival genre element is implemented like it's the end of the world

[reef scarab]

It likely is, thus the reason for rosary strings

[tall hinge]

ok.....

[vivid belfry]

The same argument applies for why relics should exist in HK, yet geo loss isn't permanent

[chilly nexus]

in edge they talked about how you can pay certain merchants to string your rosaries for a fee. with how accessible stringing will be, i do think rosary loss will be permanent

[reef scarab]

You cannot turn your geo into relics

[vivid belfry]

Like, you can have banking elements without fucking the player out of their entire liquid asset cache for slipping up once

And on that subject, backtracking to a town or holy bench every time you get any substantial amount of money sounds like a really good way to kill the pace of exploration

[reef scarab]

Relics aren’t a banking/geo saving system, they are collectibles with tidbits of lore you can get from selling them

[vivid belfry]

There's not really any benefit to not keeping the geo retrieval system from the shade mechanic

[reef scarab]

And with the new system there’s not really a loss either

[chilly nexus]

this i do agree with

but I feel like TC will have some way of making it not too much of an inconvenience, or you won't lose all rosaries on death

[reef scarab]

You don’t even lose max silk available when you die, it seems like the cocoon is just a free full silk spool

[nimble pebble]

I always thought it'd be some

[vivid belfry]

Bruh do you not consider all of your rosaries a loss

[chilly nexus]

maybe like half or 75%

[nimble pebble]

^

[vivid belfry]

Especially when the vast majority of them are delivered in liquid form

[hushed wasp]

Everytime i receive an email

i get so excited
And everytime, its not from steam

And i cry

[vivid belfry]

There is no reason to engage in non-mandatory enemy encounters if the reward for fighting them is so easy to lose

You jump over every enemy in the game and don't come back until you need to grind

[chilly nexus]

I also think we're overstating the risk of death a bit

[vivid belfry]

I mean every boss fight is basically a guaranteed death

[sage timber]

[vivid belfry]

Unless you want to bring save+quit spam into the meta

Which I do not

[chilly nexus]

I can see surprise bosses being an issue yeah

[vivid belfry]

Steel soul is bad enough

[reef scarab]

What’s the point of the string system if you can just get them back from breaking the cocoon? It would make it seem pointless to spend rosaries to create strings.

And no, relics and strings are not really comparable.

[vivid belfry]

Double dying is still a risk

It happened to people in HK and it'll happen here

[chilly nexus]

I think the rosary loss mechanic just makes it so that you can't accumulate rosaries by dying over and over again in the same area. Making it through an area will give you X amount of rosaries regardless of how many times you died on your way through it. Now, if the run up to a boss is short (bench at the end of an area before a boss), then yeah, you'd get effectively only the boss' rosaries

[vivid belfry]

I'm not arguing for my own benefit here, I'm pretty good at vidja games, I'm arguing to create the most satisfying system for both veterans and newcomers

Losing all your money for dying and not having any way to get it back is a huge turnoff

[chilly nexus]

I also think we'll reasonably be able to spend and string rosaries fairly frequently

so like your successful trip through X area immediately affords you Y upgrade in the town you just found

[hushed wasp]

milksong looks way more difficult than hollow knight does
Ppl should play hk first

[vivid belfry]

I don't think that was ever a really big deal, and it's not like farming doesn't exist anymore just for getting rid of that system

In fact it's even more encouraged to farm safe mobs rather than explore

[fiery smelt]

why are we still here... just to suffer

[vivid belfry]

Bideosgame

[charred cloak]

still nothing huh?

[tall hinge]

i forgor 💀

[reef scarab]

The moment I pick up a single rosary I’m gonna SD immediately just to see who’s right

[chilly nexus]

I can see where you're coming from and do agree, I'm just trying to think of counter points for argument's sake, since it seem's like TC's only alluded to the outright loss of rosaries

[charred cloak]

oh well

[vivid belfry]

I mean the being right about how it's eventually implemented part doesn't matter

[nimble pebble]

Videosgame

[tall hinge]

nope

[vivid belfry]

Actually it was the treehouse hosts who did that

Team Cherry never addressed the issue at all

[chilly nexus]

they also talked about it in edge i think

did anyone die in the demo? (granted, it was the demo)

[tall hinge]

to lace someone did im sure

[vivid belfry]

Rosary loss is permanent in the demo, but there are a ton of unimplimented mechanics

[tall hinge]

since everyone was just getting used to the controls

[vivid belfry]

As an example, you also can't spend rosaries in the demo

[reef scarab]

“Rosary beads can be strung on a string, which means that they are not lost upon death. They can be used as a sort of banking system. Some vendors will string up beads for Hornet for a small fee (120 beads to get a 100 bead rosary). Rosary strings can be broken at any point to use the rosaries as currency.”

[vivid belfry]

"Loss on death" doesn't indicate anything about recoverability

The exact same thing applies to geo

[tall hinge]

where does this quote come from? im guessing edge?

[chilly nexus]

ye from edge

[reef scarab]

Yeah but if you could get them back from cocoon breaking then I think the wording would be a bit different

[vivid belfry]

Alright you can think that

[chilly nexus]

I ❤️ your supportive reacts

[tall hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795202643161120768/803297912640765952/764337864359411742.gif

[glossy gazelle]

Didn’t they get Silksong was gonna be a similar difficulty to the Original HK

I swear that was stated in Edge.

[vivid belfry]

I think it makes sense for TC to add an additional security layer that has a monetary cost and NOT take away the original, rather than pulling the rug out from under you and basically force you to eat a 20% loss to keep your money

[chilly nexus]

yeah they want it to be an entry level game they said

[pallid flare]

yes it's going to be as hard as hollow knight

[chilly nexus]

probably with a deeper endgame for vets though (hopefully, as endgame will be where most of the fanservice comes from since they won't be touching much on existing HK characters and things)

[reef scarab]

That’s just from vendors, it’s assumed that doing it at benches will be free

[vivid belfry]

I mean you assume that

[chilly nexus]

(instead they'll satisfy us with newer, deeper challenges )

[vivid belfry]

Sounds like an even worse instance of encouraging constant retreading the same ground for money

[chilly nexus]

enough to hopefully compensate for a lack of a boss rush if there is none, which there hopefully actually is

[vivid belfry]

Unless you mean at EVERY bench, in which case why have this system at all

[reef scarab]

“Hornet can also string up rosary beads herself at a ‘holy bench’ which has a built-in station.”

[vivid belfry]

That's basically the same as just not losing them in the first place

[glossy gazelle]

Although I think the learning curve for SS will be higher

[reef scarab]

She can do it herself

[pallid flare]

can

[vivid belfry]

Which wouldn't be a terrible way to do the death system

[tall hinge]

[glossy gazelle]

Considering you appear to lose Rosarys on death unlike Geo

I’m sure that would be annoying to newcomers

[reef scarab]

I also think cocoons don’t work as well from a canon standpoint as shades, so the effect from them would likely be minimal

[vivid belfry]

That's not really a good argument considering respawning isn't canon

[chilly nexus]

I need to pop out cuz for some reason discord uses so much of my home's bandwidth that the wifi keeps cutting out for others in meetings

[glossy gazelle]

Oof

[chilly nexus]

but pro-seed with the ss discussion

[chilly nexus]

ye it started a few days ago, idk what's up

[vivid belfry]

Anyway, enough with the hypothetical justification of a system as interpreted from the nintendo treehouse hosts

Why do YOU want this system

What does it ADD to the formula

[glossy gazelle]

The Death system or the string system?

[vivid belfry]

Permanent rosary loss

[glossy gazelle]

Ah, Well I don’t really “want” it I’m just noticing it’s there

[vivid belfry]

It's there in the demo

[tall hinge]

it was a joy speaking with you, Dr. Jacob

[vivid belfry]

But the death system has already changed since then

Broken spool wasn't implemented

[reef scarab]

Source?

[glossy gazelle]

Although I do wonder what the point of the rosary strings are considering you don’t lose though on death and you can break them to gain rosaries

[vivid belfry]

How about you tell me the source of the knight's brand new body on the bench

[glossy gazelle]

(Assuming Permanent Rosary Loss is axed)

[vivid belfry]

Pretty much just an additional safety net like relics at a 20% cost

[tall hinge]

its known. idk when it was said but you can ask the people at lore and they will happily explain it

[vivid belfry]

Imagine relics, now imagine buying a 1200 geo egg for 1450 geo

You probably wouldn't do this as a veteran, but you WOULD as a noob

I think this would be a nice replacement for the jiji system

A way to prevent yourself from losing a huge chunk of change before it happens rather than after

Because, again, dying before getting to your shade/cocoon is and will continue to be a frequent occurrence for new players

[nimble pebble]

I've seen Leth in the CS discord more times than I've seen Leth once here in the passing months

[tall hinge]

probably because a new project is exciting

[novel dune]

anything new on Silk song news?

[nimble pebble]

More like there's more to market with CS than SS at the moment

[nimble pebble]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[tall hinge]

no

[novel dune]

sooo

same old, same old

[tall hinge]

yea

[novel dune]

imagine team cherry doing something

[thorn ravine]

It has been a year and a half since the holiday sign off

💀

[novel dune]

what are they doing anyway?

[tall hinge]

it has been 201 days since edge magazine

💀

[novel dune]

only 201 days?

[normal hinge]

developing?

[tall hinge]

working on the game

[novel dune]

better be worth it

[thorn ravine]

It will be

[tall hinge]

[brazen jetty]

its been 903 days since announcment

[thorn ravine]

I hope

[tall hinge]

as in reveal?

[brazen jetty]

yes

[tall hinge]

[novel dune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/689864948427522165/871104348778819644/image0-8.gif

[tall hinge]

already 900

[brazen jetty]

wonder when its safe to say this games in development hell

[merry sonnet]

2 years since playing demo....

[crude galleon]

enderblue can turn into elder hu :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo

[tall hinge]

never

[novel dune]

wha?

[reef scarab]

nah

[thorn ravine]

I wish they’d bring back the blog

[crude galleon]

i dont think it is

[brazen jetty]

then again I play tf2 so i can keep waiting

[thorn ravine]

But I understand being busy

[novel dune]

in the mean time

[crude galleon]

which tf2

[novel dune]

i'm trying to do 3 last achievements in HK

[thorn ravine]

Team Fortnite 2

[crude galleon]

fortnite sequel

[brazen jetty]

team fortress 2 not titan fall 2

[crude galleon]

ah ok

[tall hinge]

can you even play titanfall 2 rn? arent the servers ddos'ed or something?

[brazen jetty]

idk I dont play that game

[thorn ravine]

I wonder if ss will be out next year

I’m not expecting this year

[tall hinge]

im saying early-mid 2022

[woeful crystal]

which ones?

[woeful crystal]

yeah, i'd say summer 2022

[reef scarab]

Probably

I see 2023 as a liiitttle pessimistic

[novel dune]

not killing black smith

nightmare king

aaaaaaand
embrace the void

[woeful crystal]

okok

so basically you need to start a new save file and make different choices

and also PoH

[woeful crystal]

oof

[desert basin]

I see 2023 as optimistic

[silver oak]

Hey I got a poll for this

https://strawpoll.com/kxqz1ex7s/r

Heah

[analog forge]

2023 is only optimistic if your a pessimist

[nimble pebble]

We said that about 2021

[analog forge]

2021 is still possible!

[vivid belfry]

Always has been

[nimble pebble]

The Great Prophet only said November 19th not of what year

[flint matrix]

Don't give me that hope

[nimble pebble]

[silver oak]

November 19th, 2016

No we just have to wait long enough for the date to overflow and reset back to 0

[reef scarab]

Jeez

[analog forge]

Dates dont overflow, they get reset through social change

[vestal wagon]

Let's face it. You're better off buying nocturne remaster or smth. If it comes out this year you'll just have Christmas money to get it with.

[silver oak]

We have to overthrow the government and make every day November 19th

For legal reasons, that's a joke

[reef scarab]

Speaking of November 19th I like how DDP started and ended a YouTube channel dedicated to a game that’s not even out

[tawdry valley]

Dude, have you Seen Valve News network?

[pallid flare]

wait did he end his channel?

[tawdry valley]

Well no, but he did make a new one

[high hedge]

What if Hornet is Ackroyd

[pallid flare]

who

[high hedge]

Dan Ackroyd

[pallid flare]

i uhh

I don't think that's hornet

[tawdry valley]

Isn’t this the diamond skull alcohol dude?

[high hedge]

So you’re saying there’s a chance

[high hedge]

Yes

[nimble pebble]

Do you mean a Crystal skull filled with Vodka?

[high hedge]

Well if she isn’t Void all that’s left is Ackroyd

[coarse leaf]

Are the devs well and healthy?

[pallid flare]

yes

[coarse leaf]

Great

[hushed wasp]

we think so

(they are completely fine)

[muted granite]

if you guys had to guess, do you think silksong will have it's godhome at day one?

[hushed wasp]

well obviously no

[brittle garnet]

Ari said that he hopes we're not expecting another godhome, so probably won't have it at all

[muted granite]

really? that's weird

[hushed wasp]

^^^

also they will probably add another boss or two three during the patches like hollow knight

[brittle garnet]

doubt

[hushed wasp]

so it cant come out immediately anyways if it does

[muted granite]

probably

[brittle garnet]

probably not

[muted granite]

i don't see why not, it's bold to assume the game will be perfect at day one

[brittle garnet]

HK was only missing content because they didn't have enough money and time to add it, now they have both

[muted granite]

yes, but feedback goes a long way

[hushed wasp]

man
so muchtime

[brittle garnet]

what feedback?

[granite coyote]

Mogus

[muted granite]

comunity feedback, after all, a lot of changes in quality of life for hk came from complaints and suggestions

[brittle garnet]

true, but that's only for minor adjustments

not new bosses

[muted granite]

well, if you consider the backer's content, that's half true

[brittle garnet]

how so?

[muted granite]

there were also changes to a few bosses after community feedback, mainly nosk

[silver oak]

Also traitor lord

[muted granite]

yeah

[brittle garnet]

yeah but I don't think any bosses were added due to community feedback

[hushed wasp]

i dont like the fact that trobbio will have goofy music

[muted granite]

that i can't say for sure, but i remember people saying that it would be cool to see the nailmasters in action, if that had any effect over the outcome, i don't really know

[silver oak]

They may have already been planning some sort of dream fight with them already

[muted granite]

that's why i can't say for sure

[silver oak]

It's a great idea, I can't imagine they hadn't thought of it before releasing the game

[hushed wasp]

What i would think is a great idea is silksong releasing

[brittle garnet]

The Nailmaster boss assets were actually already done when HK released, TC just didn't have anywhere to put them

[muted granite]

nah, that's a terrible idea

[muted granite]

interesting

[granite coyote]

Dead chatg

[grand linden]

alive chat

[olive bobcat]

Dead rat

[pallid flare]

dead chat

[nimble pebble]

Baseball bat

Pyro ruined it

[pallid flare]

sorry

[barren roost]

ack

[tall hinge]

dead chat

[granite coyote]

Git gud

[pallid flare]

who is chat and when did they die

[shadow robin]

Is silksong out yet?

[coarse leaf]

No

[shadow robin]

Damn

[pallid flare]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[granite coyote]

Dyno stfu

[viral pivot]

at least its really easy to track when we last had news, considering it was dec.31st

[barren roost]

give up, it's void- no I got that confused with something else, hold on

[pallid flare]

hey thats rude

[shadow robin]

Is fyremoth out yet?

[coarse leaf]

"Coming soon"

So no, but the new fyremoth trailer that got released 2 days ago still looks pretty sick tho

[fleet temple]

chead dat

[tall hinge]

chad cat

[fleet temple]

plad hat

[brittle garnet]

plague rat

[timber meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocyN-k0TxOA

[warm bone]

<@&283547423706447872>

[tall hinge]

huh? what happened

[wheat lintel]

??

[tall hinge]

can i not post gifs? sorry

[full rune]

was it relevant

[tall hinge]

it was meant to be directed at the video

[cunning geode]

it didnt seem pingworthy

[full rune]

in that case

[tall hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-dog-reaction-dogs-gif-19659302

[fleet temple]

oh no

[tall hinge]

hell yeah

[full rune]

don't go overboard but yeah

[fleet temple]

[full rune]

1 is good cause it takes up like a massive amount of screen space, only real reason

[hollow terrace]

not catjam

pretty cringed

[charred pulsar]

[coarse leaf]

[nimble pebble]

[chilly nexus]

[surreal mortar]

Wow that was an overreaction lol

[coarse leaf]

Oh god why does exist

[proud vale]

G'day SilkPals ™️

[fiery coral]

HellOrange

[proud vale]

Hey Unique, what's Manifold Garden?

[fiery coral]

it's a puzzle game

that I like very much

[proud vale]

I can only assume your brain is highly wrinkled

Seems really cool after watching the trailer, does it have any story elements or is it purely a puzzler?

[fiery coral]

purely a puzzler

[proud vale]

Yeah cool, looks very clean

[fiery coral]

there's a surprising amount of exploration involved, too, many secret paths and all that kind of stuff

[proud vale]

I do love a good secret path - just updated my own nickname

[fiery coral]

I just started playing that yesterday

must admit, the spaceship's somewhat hard to control

[proud vale]

OmegaPog

[fiery coral]

and the zero-G cave bit at the start, I couldn't see anything

[proud vale]

Are you using keyboard or controller? My friend that played keyboard found it super challenging

[fiery coral]

controller

I have it on PS4

maybe I'll get used to it with time though

[proud vale]

Ah yeah, you'll get the hang of it - Just don't look up spoilers whatever you do

[fiery coral]

I won't

[nimble pebble]

I plan to play Outer wilds when it is available on switch

[proud vale]

If you get your timing right also, the DLC will come out in time after you finish

[proud vale]

I do hope they optimize it well for switch!

[nimble pebble]

I've always wanted to play it but the person I was watching play it suddenly stopped playing it midway through the game when I was on vacation

[nimble pebble]

Switch always seems to optimise things well which is why I like certain games on it since my laptop is old and probably can't play them

[proud vale]

Probably a blessing in disguise.. now you get to play it yourself

[nimble pebble]

I'm gon esplore the vast regions of spppppppppppppppppaccccccccce

[proud vale]

Ahh fair enough.. i think it's a fairly CPU intensive game (what with the whole physics engine going on)

[nimble pebble]

If Switch can optimise something as CPU intensive as Ahit I think it can handle outer wilds

[restive garden]

@nimble pebble give me a pillow!

[nimble pebble]

[lapis bloom]

I think the ending for pantheon 5 is a hint for something in ss

[coarse leaf]

Spoilers arent needed here btw

[lapis bloom]

Oh ok

[coarse leaf]

They are only required in #hk-help

[vagrant umbra]

Han Solo may have shot first, but he won’t be shooting last.

[serene chasm]

just scroll through #hk-art-gallery

[nimble pebble]

it won't

[serene chasm]

What are you looking for?

[nimble pebble]

Just saw "my oc disguised as a godseekers"

Aren't the godseekers hive minded

They would know an imposter when they see one

[serene chasm]

Kinda odd to assume they want that kind of art. They just asked for good art

[nimble pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/weapon-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-attack-gif-17318866

[serene chasm]

That is really good. Who is the artist?

[nimble pebble]

Ari Gibson

[serene chasm]

Dont know what it is about their work, but I think they'll make it big one day

[nimble pebble]

I agree

I hear they're making a game though did you hear?

I hope it does well

[serene chasm]

oh shit really. I hope it does well too

[nimble pebble]

Yeah, Something called Ballow Light?

Can't wait to play outer wilds

[serene chasm]

Joking aside. Ballow deserve his own game

[nimble pebble]

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[serene chasm]

I cant wait for you to play Outer Wilds

[nimble pebble]

Though, I still have my hopes up for Hollow Knight: Ogrim adventure

[nimble pebble]

thank you

[left yacht]

T'was fun. I still can't get past the fog place.

[serene chasm]

Go slow.

[left yacht]

I know

Still painful, plus procrastination and me not having the game anymore doesn't help.

[serene chasm]

yeah. that definitely wont help

[nimble pebble]

Playing the pizza time act in Ahit

[serene chasm]

AHIT is such a good game

[nimble pebble]

Yes

[left yacht]

Also fun.

[alpine violet]

Wait, why did I get warned?

[nimble pebble]

The switch version never got the patch that made death wishes easier so I have some pretty hard ones

I do own it on PC but this PC of mine is getting too old to handle it so rip

I can still do it on Switch though

[alpine violet]

True

[nimble pebble]

So true bestie!

[fluid orchid]

Why is this place online in the first place, Silknever isn't even out yet

Is this chat just terrible excuse for hype? (Serious question, not trolling)

[serene chasm]

no. Its an excuse to talk about tools

[nimble pebble]

🛠️

[serene chasm]

I want to see if the text is readable

[glossy gazelle]

I can read that

[serene chasm]

dammit.

[nimble pebble]

I can read it as well

[serene chasm]

wait. I totally read White's message as "I cant read that"

[coarse leaf]

What going on?

[serene chasm]

Curly is being a derp

[coarse leaf]

Is curly flexing his merch

[nimble pebble]

➰

[coarse leaf]

Curly here is creating his Red panda merch