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[cunning geode]

https://twitter.com/griffinmatta/status/1346527190754746370

Matthew Griffin (@griffinmatta)

I’ve seen this discord message of mine quoted, but out of context...

I made it during a discussion about how hard it would be for fans to estimate a game’s release date, even if the developer said that their game was “XX% done” or “in final testing”.

Careful out there! <3

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Twitter · Jan 5, 2021, 6:41 PM

[coarse leaf]

Mmm ok

[stark prism]

it's gonna release in june or febuary

probably not christmas since jesus

[coarse leaf]

I'm hoping august or september, but that might be a bit of a stretch

[pallid flare]

what has jesus got to do with silksong

[stark prism]

you may not know
never ask this question agian
just don't

[pallid flare]

o- ok?

[analog forge]

are you saying that one of the team cherry devs is the second coming of jesus?

[stark prism]

anyways yeah it's probably gotta be febuary

[inland ember]

I’m hoping tomorrow

[stiff burrow]

I'm hoping it's not over a year away personally

[stark prism]

it most likely is

the earliest it could ever release is febuary

[stiff burrow]

That just isn't true

[frigid swan]

I think late this year early next year

[ocean coral]

its coming out october 10th...

[pallid flare]

i dont even know anymore

[stiff burrow]

Why would it not theoretically be able to release in 2-3 months?

[stark prism]

absolutely not

[ocean coral]

He just asked why

[stiff burrow]

You're not giving reasons here

[stark prism]

there would be a blogpost or something

[analog forge]

because pessimism runs deep in this discord honey

[stiff burrow]

The first game got a release date/blogpost 2 weeks before release

[ocean coral]

💀

[stiff burrow]

So that is not a reason

I think the only basically impossible release due to lack of blogpost is sometime this month or early next month.
After that it could happen any time. Be it in a month or 2 years.

[stark prism]

there is no shitting way silksong releases this year

[stiff burrow]

There is still almost half of this year left, you're not making sense
Even if you end up being right, your logic would still be flawed

[chilly nexus]

ah, june 2022 finally confirmed

[stark prism]

There would definitely be a wave of new blogposts near the release to compensate for the silence

[manic zenith]

Nothing prevents silksong releasing this year
Not being at E3 also doesnt prove anything, since TC are shit with release dates and probably will announce a release date two weeks(or maybe even a bit more) before the actual release

[stiff burrow]

I actually think there will be no news except the release date before the release
The less news they spoil in posts the better

[chilly nexus]

I think it's fairly likely the release announcement will happen at a big venue, so I'd plan speculation around when different gaming events are taking place for now. Any event from now onwards (has been this way for a while, and is why E3 was so hyped), is a pretty reasonable hope though!

[stiff burrow]

HK's magic is discovering thing you didn't know about
Like whole questlines locked behind a breakable wall you might miss
So if they do a billion blogposts that in itself will make release less exciting

[stark prism]

all hopes should be abandoned

it only leads to disapointment

[chilly nexus]

in a perfect world, yeah it should be more of a general excitement for each gaming event, and a catharsis when SS shows up at one, vs waiting through the events to hear about SS, and being let down one by one

[stiff burrow]

Not being hopeful because of disappointment is reasonable, but outright denying the possibility is just blatantly incorrect

[chilly nexus]

v well put

[stiff burrow]

Like in every event, I don't expect it to happen, I just think there is a small chance it might

[coarse leaf]

Yea, found out its bs

[stark prism]

i will deny all possibilities that point to a release date this year

[stiff burrow]

I mean how any of us feel about this stuff won't affect when it's actually done anyway so believe what you want I guess.

[chilly nexus]

personally, i think our next chance is TGA

[coarse leaf]

It could october tho, 2 months extra, and the blogpost being early, as they said that they wouldn't announce release till its done, and they had plenty of time, plus the fact that the blog post for hk was 2 weeks before release is promising

[stiff burrow]

Either that or some Nintendo Direct is my guess if it happens this year, yea
Or they randomly drop it one day cause screw logic and being predictable

[stark prism]

never heard of it
remind me of what TGA stands for?

[analog forge]

the game awards

[stark prism]

oh that piece of dried fungus

[analog forge]

aka the sham awards

[stiff burrow]

A blog post appearing in October is just as likely as it appearing tomorrow so I guess it's possible, yea

[brave stone]

I think Team Cherry will go their own way for launch this is how it will go something like. Team Cherry will say something on their on their twitter maybe accompanied by a blog post at the end which there will be a statement like " stay tuned for a big/major announcement soon" and like a few days to a week later we get the launch trailer and date

No way the date will be in a Direct

[coarse leaf]

I could see that

[stiff burrow]

Why will it not be?
They said they would've let Nintendo put the announcement trailer in a Direct if they wanted and Nintendo clearly cares about Silksong

[brave stone]

Because of coordination. Leth does not know when directs are or what will be in them

[analog forge]

I doubt it'll be in a non-e3 direct

[brave stone]

so that's a huge problem for PR

and marketing

[stiff burrow]

Depends how close they work and how much they make an effort to talk to Nintendo

[brave stone]

Leth explicitly said that

[stiff burrow]

Leth said no direct? Ok then

[brave stone]

No not that

he said he does not know when directs are or what's in them

[analog forge]

He also said if that the game was done and and nintendo offered them the chance to shadowdrop in an e3 direct, they would do it

[stiff burrow]

I'm just saying we don't know how much Leth and Nintendo talk with each other
Hollow Knight got straight up shadow dropped at E3 2018 so they clearly talked before

[brave stone]

I am sure TC talk with Nintendo every now and again they HAVE to for porting.

I think Leth said He really only gets to talk to Nintendo at shows Like E3

[stiff burrow]

If Nintendo cares enough and let them know when Directs could be in advance then it's possible.
But I guess it's not likely now

[brave stone]

he does not have a direct line to Nintendo as far as we know

[stiff burrow]

Okay then.

[brave stone]

I don't think Nintendo tells ANYONE when directs will be. I think Directs OFTEN work like cooking shows (IE most of the stuff was done before hand)

I mean Leth said that's how E3 works

[stiff burrow]

I mean they have to tell others when directs are so gaming news sites have posts ready

And also 3rd party games have to know when their stuff will be shown too

[brave stone]

Well they tend to be last minute. That is to say a date is not OFTEN concrete until the last possible day

[stark prism]

i wonder if silksong is chinaproofed

like potentially it could get banned in china

[brave stone]

forest of bones will be the forest of gingerbread 😛

if you know you know

[stiff burrow]

Either way I still also think they could just randomly drop a release date on any day but it could also be part of something like tga

[primal oriole]

Leth has said his ideal situation would be revealing the date in TGA for a early year release

but that just depends on when TC is done

[brave stone]

NAH even though Leth has said nothing is off the table in terms of launch. That does not mean TC will do it. Like TC COULD shadow drop the date 5 seconds from now. BUT EVERYONE WOULD HATE THAT. It would kill all the hype

So I think they will do something elese

[stiff burrow]

Huh? Why would anyone hate that?

[brave stone]

It kills all the hype

[stiff burrow]

Why would it?

[reef scarab]

ngl people would go insane

[brave stone]

like where is the fun

[stark prism]

a release trailer at least gotta drop 2 weeks before the launch

[stiff burrow]

It would be super hype

[hidden nacelle]

is silksong before of after hollow knight chronologically speaking, and does it matter?

[reef scarab]

in the game, when it releases

[brave stone]

Just the date no fan fare no countdown no anticpation?

[stiff burrow]

Of course

[ocean coral]

Most likely takes place after

[stiff burrow]

I fully expect them to give the date with no countdown

[brave stone]

it is a let down

[ocean coral]

It probably will not matter so much though

[stiff burrow]

No way, it isn't
A countdown would just feel tedious

Just drop the date with a trailer and good

[brave stone]

I mean like you get to count down the days to Christmas that kind of thing not a real timer

[stiff burrow]

I think most people here would go insane with hype if they just dropped the release date today and that's it

[reef scarab]

release date release date announcement

[stiff burrow]

Yeah exactly, doing an announcement of an announcement is just annoying haha

[brave stone]

I know I would be mad it's just like...you let the hype die down and now you drop the date out of the blue with NOTHING BEFORE? that's just bad marketing

[worldly quarry]

Honestly, I dont think they have a schedule for news, it usually comes randomly

[brave stone]

it is USUALLY once every 6 months

[stiff burrow]

No it's not, this is a really weird opinion you have here

[brave stone]

but maybe not these days

[stiff burrow]

I don't understand why you would want anything to come before the last news before release

[reef scarab]

not this time it seems like

[stiff burrow]

Because that is how most games do it
Which other game has done something to the lead up to a release date reveal?

[reef scarab]

Honestly the six month thing is probably a coincidence

[worldly quarry]

Yeah thats what we thought about the blog posts and..well we all know how that turned out

[brave stone]

Well most games around launch have rumors and leaks. like Eldin Ring did

[stiff burrow]

But that is a bad thing
If there were no rumors that'd be better

[brave stone]

Silksong won't be like that. So it is BEST for TC to tease at launch and then do it

rather than do it out of the blue

that's what I mean by building hype

[reef scarab]

It’s kinda sad that they couldn’t have kept the game a surprise for longer until it was closer to being finished

[brave stone]

and fanfare

[stiff burrow]

That just doesn't make sense
Leaks are not supposed to happen

So ignoring leaks, which are not planned, there was nothing to buildup to Elden Ring release date and people were happy

[brave stone]

no no no not a leak. JUST TC hinting at a major announcement soon would be enough

[stiff burrow]

I think that'd just ruin the surprise a little

[worldly quarry]

That makes me curious as to what would have happened if they never released the trailer. Would the community start to die? Or would it still live?

[stiff burrow]

They would be wondering where tf the Hornet DLC is

[reef scarab]

“Team Cherry! Where is Hornet DLC!?!?”

[worldly quarry]

Oh yeah, that, I forgot

[brave stone]

Well there were also insider rumors around Elden ring too

[worldly quarry]

How did I forget that?

[brave stone]

like people close were saying summer release date reveal

But Since TC is in a different boat

[stiff burrow]

The less buildup there is to any reveal the better

[reef scarab]

What are your guy’s rough quarter estimates?

[brave stone]

to build hype and do marketing all they need to do is hint that the date is coming

I AM SO SURE THEY will do this

if not I will print this post and eat it

[stiff burrow]

They could also just make the hype build between release date reveal and release like literally every game ever

[worldly quarry]

Im thinking in the holiday or early next year but im also optimistic

[brave stone]

Nah the BIG million dollar question FOR silksong IS THE DATE

TC can and will use that for markiting

[worldly quarry]

It seems like its in the polishing state but who really knows

[reef scarab]

^ they’ve been done with enemies and music for quite a long time now

[worldly quarry]

Yeah, and the magazine(to me at least)made it feel like its close to completion

[stiff burrow]

The date being revealed starts the hype train that then gets higher and higher in the 2 weeks to the actual release... seems perfect doesn't it?
If TC teased the date reveal that would just lead to bad things. People arguing, hoping for a shadow drop, getting disappointed if it's over a month away etc etc

[brave stone]

Well that's why I said they will tease the date then announce it like a few days to a week later

[reef scarab]

I’m just excited for this game at any time, I’ve played multiple metroidvanias but none of them could make me feel the same way I felt playing HK

[brave stone]

they can't just tease it and do nothing that would be bad

[stiff burrow]

I'm just struggling to find a single positive to teasing "big news" compared to just dropping it.
It just seems worse in every way to me

[reef scarab]

anyway I know we say this every year but I think any time next year at the latest seems like a reasonable guess

[worldly quarry]

That makes sense, why tease news when you can just announce it

[brave stone]

Like TC wont do something like date announcement. Daily picture or other small things every day till launch that's not them

[stiff burrow]

Yes, this exactly

[brave stone]

so I think a good alternative to build the hype is the tease followed by the reveal

[stiff burrow]

The hype has been building for 2 years.
There is no need to build more, that's just annoying at this point

[brave stone]

I think it works because MOST players want to go in blind and the speculation is part of the fun

[worldly quarry]

I find it interesting to compare HKs marketing to Silksongs, HK had tons of news but Silksong has barely anything which actually makes some sense

[stiff burrow]

Most players wanting to go blind for me seems like a reason to not tease anything and just drop the reveal tho

[brave stone]

Well the initial reveal of Silksong was teased. So why not tease the reveal of the date?

[stiff burrow]

Cause the surprise was that it was a full game and not DLC

[worldly quarry]

That just feels unnecessary and like it would just be kind of annoying

[reef scarab]

why don’t we take it a step further and tease the release date of the release date of the release date

[brave stone]

I think it is a good Idea to give the fan base some warning some breathing and hype room before making any major announcement

[worldly quarry]

But then it would eat away at the hype

[stiff burrow]

Why would you want that? We waited for 2.5 years
If you have news, just give it NOW. PLEASE

[reef scarab]

that would be annoying

[formal karma]

considering how negative people are when there's an anouncement or tweet that ISN'T news I can't agree

[brave stone]

Team Cherry COULD hint at anything. Like for example maybe they could be at PAX AUS...but they don't

[reef scarab]

We wait in anticipation for a day that will make us wait in even more anticipation

[stiff burrow]

You just have to see that this thing you call de-hyping is actually what everyone here but you want right

[brave stone]

So you guys are saying you would be mad if TC said "stay tuned for a major announcement soon" on their twitter tomorrow?

[formal karma]

WE wouldn't be, but people would be lame

[stiff burrow]

Not mad, but I'd be like "just give it to us when you're ready instead of teasing it"

[worldly quarry]

Not mad and I would be happy, but id prefer if they didnt

[formal karma]

TC teased silksong because we didn't know it was its own game yet- therefore hype building

[stiff burrow]

Yeah just seeing the news with no warning would make me soooo happy

[formal karma]

and then we all shit our pants when we saw the words "the second game by team cherry"

buuuut they don't need to do anything to get us going now

ffs, retweeting random stuff gets us all theory crafting...

[worldly quarry]

Yeah, thats what the magazine was like, just sitting around and randomly I get a notification about it, and then I freak out

[stiff burrow]

Yeah they already got us at the edges of our seats
The fact that we're talking in the discussion channel of a game announced 2.5 years ago proves that

[brave stone]

I Think Leth and TC know how valuable knowing the date is in terms of marketing. so why not use it even just a little? I know I am expecting that

[formal karma]

they.... don't need to market anything

[stiff burrow]

I feel that's bad marketing.

[brave stone]

No that's smart marking IMO

[stiff burrow]

Yeah they have a thing we desperately want, the release date, and instead of giving it to us they.... arbitrarily make us wait another day or week?

[reef scarab]

Seeing Silksong news: day made
Expecting Silksong news: still hype but you know it’s coming

[worldly quarry]

Yes, its much better to not expect it

[stiff burrow]

It's just annoying.
Your strategy is good for games we haven't seen anything from yet. But if you just want further news, a tease is annoying

[formal karma]

peoplea re chomping at the bit so hard they broke their teeth, no need to tease a release date

changing silksong's card on twitch got silksong trending

TC doesn't need to tweet anything

[brave stone]

No they would not wait the week to build hype because they "wanted to" or for "PR" Its more like IF the 2 week time window is a TC feature why not play to it a bit. They did it for Godmaster

and Grimm Troupe

[formal karma]

i didn't hear a single thing about godmaster before it dropped so..... shrug

[stiff burrow]

If they reveal the release date, Silksong will be trending and everyone will know the date

If they tease it, Silksong will trend and everyone will know an announcement will come soon. But then, cause it's expected, the actual release will get less of a trend and less people will know the date

[worldly quarry]

but then you have Silksong which has had years of speculation, that would just be annoying

[brave stone]

fair point. but it is impossible for a game to trend twice? When ever people even THINK Silksong could get news it trends.

[formal karma]

which is why we don't need to tease

[stiff burrow]

It's not impossible, but an expected piece of news will get less of a boom than an unexpected one.
That's just how it is.

[worldly quarry]

You would basically be cutting the news in half for not much of a reason

[brave stone]

I know I feel Like TC will hint that the date is coming when it is close in some way shape or form

[stiff burrow]

Yeah any sort of tease by tc before the big reveal is just shooting themselves in the foot

[brave stone]

and that this hint LIKELY would be part of their launch stratgy

[stiff burrow]

With a water gun, so it won't matter much
But still done for no reason

[formal karma]

i don't see how anyone looking at the void (pun intended) of TC interacts and think "yea they'll talk to us"

[brave stone]

No it would be other signs

like seeing them online. Like we did for the Edge thing

and YES Ari and William did say stuff before Hollowking but yes SS is different

[stiff burrow]

That kind of thing I can see.
Just nothing that you wouldn't need to read into and is blatant

[worldly quarry]

But that wasnt teasing, they were just online, I dont think they intended for people to expect anything from it

[stiff burrow]

Point is, it seems everyone but you, Vectors, seems to agree that a tease before the big reveal would be dehyping and annoying

[brave stone]

Semi fair. But Ari and William are ALMOST NEVER online so when they are it get's peoples wheals truning

[stiff burrow]

Not a dealbreaker by any means, but just not necessary

[worldly quarry]

Thats true, but I dont think they planned the communitys reaction

[jade canopy]

And also the game isn’t finished and they do not know the release date at all, there just working on it

[stiff burrow]

I mean we don't know that for all we know they're almost done.
Nothing to suggest they are done, but nothing to suggest they aren't close to being done either

[jade canopy]

I didn’t remember TC saying the game is almost done

[brave stone]

I just have a gut feeling that because the date IS such a big deal something noticeable be it a intentional tease or not will happen before the date reveal mark my words

[formal karma]

i don't remember TC saying much of anything

[stiff burrow]

They didn't say that. I'm just saying they could be close to done. It's not impossible

[jade canopy]

For all we know they might have started to redesign a lot of the game, up it’s scale even more and added zote as a playable character

[brave stone]

Zote Boat time

[stiff burrow]

Yeah that is possible.
But what I said is also possible
Could be either

Yep, a release date in a week and no news for another 6 months both seem possible

[chilly nexus]

quickly, someone invent a magazine and reach out to TC for an interview

[stiff burrow]

Talking about magazines, does apwot have a solid date by now

[chilly nexus]

late july confirmed, no date tho

[stiff burrow]

We're getting close to late july, so I guess soooooon

[brave stone]

But on the other hand. I have noticed something Leth Whenever he talks about a potential Silksong launch (or any other indie launch) HE ALWAYS has mentioned Geoff and TVGA and launching early into the next year soo....maybe that could be it?

[chilly nexus]

na, mossbag was just advertising a bit for them

[brave stone]

No no date yet for APWOT 2

[chilly nexus]

re it already coming out^

[brave stone]

but soon 12 days left in the month so gotta be one of them if they aren't lying or running into trouble

[stiff burrow]

Man I hope we get something soon.

[worldly quarry]

Even though its not going to have news about the gameplay im still hyped to learn whats happening behind the scenes

[stiff burrow]

Yeah. They'll have something new, even if nothing major

[heavy magnet]

vessels in pharloom, pro or con

[formal karma]

con- complete disregard for previously established lore

if they are 'vessels' then they are pharloom made, and have nothing to do with PK

[stiff burrow]

You could probably explain 1 away, saying they left Hallownest and then ended up in Pharloom instead of returning like the Knight did
But that would still be weird, so con

[analog forge]

I'd like to see some vessels outside of hallownest

[languid linden]

It's not impossible for it to happen, but I'd say it's not very likely

[edgy trail]

it wouldnt be very exciting, they would probably just be like " "

[languid linden]

Hornet probably killed most of the ones that tried to leave Hallownest

[analog forge]

there were tens of thousands of vessels, with dozens having escaped. hornet cant be everywhere at once, despite what'd she have you belive

[languid linden]

Yeah I know, it's possible for Vessels to sneak past her

Well I guess she may have been pretty young/possibly not alive yet when the Vessel plan took place

[drifting ice]

maybe bad question, but do we know if there will be more lore from ss about hallownest and the things in it, or will this game be 100% separated from hollow knight?

[edgy trail]

we don't know

[trim estuary]

It’s 99.97% separate from Voidheart
There’s a few characters from the Voidheart, like the Weavers and a really obscure character called Hornet. Also maybe Mr Mushroom

Also TC said it could be played without playing Voidheart first so

[drifting ice]

damn

[edgy trail]

what do you mean voidheart??

[drifting ice]

voidheart edition

[trim estuary]

Hollow knight

[edgy trail]

well but why not call it hollow knight?

[trim estuary]

I call it Voidheart because there’s Silksong and that could also be called Hollow Knight

[drifting ice]

i know they can't do much with hk due to their statement that "all endings are canon" or whatever but i wish you could like visit the broken shell of the knight or smth, despite how unrealistic that is

[formal karma]

we'll learn about the weavers which had a hand in Hollow Knight, but other than that it should be its own thing

[edgy trail]

they could also just go back on the "all endings are canon" statemente, like they also said hollow knight 2 wouldnt come out in at least 10 years

[languid linden]

Silksong is not Hollow Knight 2

[formal karma]

hollow knight is the abyss, right, and we've moved on from there because the pure vessel has ascended, we don't go back to hollow knight any longer...

[edgy trail]

although we cant be sure that last one was false yet

[drifting ice]

kinda upset about that tbh

[trim estuary]

Well, it takes place after it so
*according to most evidence, no confirmation

Jk it’s an AU

[languid linden]

They said Silksong is pretty separate from HK other than happening in the same universe

[formal karma]

*citation needed

[edgy trail]

and it has hollow knight in the name

[drifting ice]

The sequel to the award winning action-adventure. Explore, fight and survive as you ascend to the peak of a land ruled by silk and song.
from steam

[languid linden]

Yeah cause same franchise

[formal karma]

yea, well TC were very careful to say it's the next game...

[edgy trail]

it could be sequel in a "the next game in the series" sort of way, although I do believe it is a true sequel

[drifting ice]

it says sequel

[languid linden]

They mean "sequel" as in "comes out after the first game"

[edgy trail]

how do you know?

[languid linden]

I think Leth confirmed it

[trim estuary]

[formal karma]

yea TC said it themselves

[languid linden]

But yeah it could also be a chronological sequel

[formal karma]

they were stupidly careful not to call it a continuation and whatnot

[drifting ice]

then they need to fix their vocabulary. a sequel means it would take place after hk. if it took place before, it would be a prequel

[formal karma]

i am not saying that silksong is a prequel, but by TC's own admission- we have no evidence either way

for above reasons, Jank, sequel still works

[drifting ice]

i don't really care what tc's definition of a sequel is

A sequel is a work of literature, film, theatre, television, music or video game that continues the story of, or expands upon, some earlier work.
from Wikipedia

[formal karma]

expands upon, boom, we win

[drowsy pike]

There IS evidence for both sides of the argument.
The only reason people are more inclined for the side of Sequel is because it's more solid and simply makes more sense in comparison to a prequel

[formal karma]

nah

[trim estuary]

There’s no evidence for prequel, cause they fixed the French translation

[edgy trail]

I doubt they read the dictionary definition before typing "sequel" tbh. We just can't know for sure yet

[formal karma]

'makes more sense' makes no sense

[drowsy pike]

How does it make no sense

[drifting ice]

"'makes more sense' makes no sense" makes no sense

[formal karma]

because there's nothing that being a prequel actually diminishes

[drowsy pike]

Oh you mean for the prequel side
Sure

I thought you were saying for the sequel side because it wasn't specific

[languid linden]

something something hornet lacking her usual tools

[trim estuary]

How does Hornet lose all her abilities? Why doesn’t she mention Pharloom or whatnot at all?

[hidden nacelle]

When sliksong comes out will there be seperate silksong lore/help/modding categories in the discord?

[trim estuary]

Most likely

[languid linden]

A mod confirmed it for lore iirc, I assume that's true for the others too

[formal karma]

what POSSIBLE reason would she have to tell Ghost about pharloom?

"hey you know that place you'll never go? it exists!"

[hidden nacelle]

Possibly they were charms or physical items, and were taken when she was in the cage as seen in the trailer

[trim estuary]

[drifting ice]

the most personal info she gives about herself is that her mother is herrah

[drowsy pike]

The best theory is that the seal on the cage or something else that happened along the journey from Hallownest to Pharloom affected her memory.

Similarly to how Quirrel (who had a mask for protection, Hornet was a semi higher being which on itself is also protection) partially lost his memory.

My follow-up theory to this is that Hornet eventually re-learns these abilities (alongside better ones as shown in the trailer and footage), either from memories, friendly npcs, etc

[drifting ice]

why would she tell us about pharloom

[formal karma]

as for losing her abilities.... she just doesn't use them or 'its a video game' there's lots of video game inconsistencies in HK.... its not a huge deal

[drifting ice]

what

[languid linden]

No such thing as a semi-higher being

[drowsy pike]

Demigod, same thing really

[languid linden]

HB = being that exists above all others and you can't half-exist over all others. HB is a status/title, not a genetic thing

[trim estuary]

The PK is ethereal?

[languid linden]

But yeah hornet is stronger than your average bug

[drifting ice]

thoughts on the possibility of an iselda fight?

[formal karma]

well.... she's not going to be in silksong so there won't be one

[trim estuary]

I… what?

[drowsy pike]

Higher beings like Grimm have shown to have above average strength and self awareness, alongside many other things.

This is also how Grimm shows awareness during the Godhome.

Meanwhile Hornet, while obviously being a strong bug, is also obviously nowhere near as strong as a higher being (in the events of HK at least). But she does share some similarities with Grimm such as being aware (somewhat) that she's in a dream in the Godhome.

[drifting ice]

oh

[formal karma]

we don't have confirmation that she's not going to be in silksong but we can assume that she's not

[drifting ice]

why not?

[formal karma]

because farting out old characters is pretty lame

[drowsy pike]

And Seth tbh also shows similar characteristics to Hornet on this aspect, but we'll need to wait for the game to be out for this to be confirmed or not.

[drifting ice]

there's over 150 unique enemies

[trim estuary]

Unless its Mr Mushroom

[drifting ice]

why wouldn't there at least be one returning character or at least a cameo

[formal karma]

because there doesn't need to be

and it would get in the way of silksong being its own thing by just saying "oh hey you know that super perilous adventure you went on? now that random shop girl is here for fanservice"

[signal crag]

Do you want Hollow Knight stuff?
Then just play Hollow Knight lol

[drifting ice]

i personally don't think it would happen but i saw a streamer say "Can't wait for Silksong where we 100% fight [Iselda]." and i'm not sure what he was talking about but i assumed i was just not in the know and there was likely going to be an iselda fight
so i asked here

[formal karma]

well, streamers don't know anything

and if they say that they do, they're lying

[drowsy pike]

He's just being sarcastic

[formal karma]

or breaking a contract they signed with tc

that too

[hidden nacelle]

I wouldn't be shocked if there were people who had travelled to hallownest, but I doubt there would be many

[drifting ice]

bruh

i don't care about hollow knight gameplay

the best part is the lore

[formal karma]

well then... stop trying to shoehorn characters into silksong that have no bussiness going to pharloom????

[drifting ice]

i didn't???

i personally don't think it would happen

[formal karma]

my b

we get mr mushroom and weavers to expand upon that's it that we know of

[drifting ice]

tbf those are probably the two most vague parts of hk

[formal karma]

well.... good thing they're dropping by

oh, and we didn't REALLY get confirmation of mr mushroom but... c'mon we're getting mr mushroom

[drifting ice]

regardless of its status of a prequel or sequel i think it's safe to say we're getting mr mushroom

[formal karma]

ye

[drifting ice]

but there's still so much we don't know about hk lore so i thought it was going to get expanded upon a lot in ss

but something something zote said "secrets blow"

[drowsy pike]

I actually don't think Mr. Mushroom will be in SS personally

[drifting ice]

why not?

[drowsy pike]

The bugs that took Hornet out of HK must of had exited through the hollowing cliffs since it's basically the path that allows bugs to enter and exit the kingdom in comparison to the Crystal Peak which is more rough and hard to traverse

I think the journey was much more complex than just one straight line to the right but that's just how I feel about it

I think that Mr. Mushroom is gonna have his own cameo on a spin off or a different game

Since his whole thing is all about references to other games

[drifting ice]

so you think mr mushroom won't be in ss because he left hallownest through the top?

[drowsy pike]

Basically what I mean is that I think Mr. Mushroom is going to be more so an Easter egg character across different "worlds" TC makes

After all TC did say they wanted to make more things out of HK and his "to be continued..." Ending screen felt more like an exclusive teaser to Mr. Mushroom rather than a HK sequel

Speaking of which IF Mr. Mushroom really is on SS then it has to be a Sequel even if it's never explicitly mentioned

[haughty brook]

Don't expect Tolkien like detail in the lore of these games from TC, they themselves said in the Edge article that they prefer things to be left to interpretation rather than having to explain everything in excrutiating detail to the smallest bit.

[drifting ice]

no it doesn't. mr mushroom goes from kingdom to kingdom, not just from hallownest to the next

[drowsy pike]

Yeah but what's the point of teasing players with a "To be continued" (implying he's going to be seen again in the future within a chronological order)

If he would be added to a fucking prequel

[drifting ice]

why can't he be in ss as well as a sequel (if ss is a prequel) or a spin-off?

[drowsy pike]

Wdym

[drifting ice]

nvm

[drowsy pike]

[reef scarab]

mr mushroom sequel after Silksong confirmed???

[drifting ice]

yeah
source: my dad works at tc

[trim estuary]

Alright Mr Gibson

[drifting ice]

he also said ss is coming out Yesterday Infinity A.C.

[reef scarab]

Silksong was actually shadowdropped without an announcement we just haven’t noticed yet

[stable current]

HKSS 2022?

2023?

GTA6 2024

[proud vale]

All I see is numbers and letters

[reef scarab]

I feel like 2023 is a little too pessimistic

[barren roost]

so you are on this server after all, after all this time

[stiff burrow]

Isn't that what people said about 2022 in 2020?
Unfortunately possible

[reef scarab]

In 2020 it had only been a year after the game was announced, it has now been two and a half and we’ve had a bit more details since

[stiff burrow]

I hope you're right

[upbeat pulsar]

I think 2022 is most likely

[drifting ice]

if lace is hornet's rival than the next game will be Hollow Knight Lacelong /s

[nimble pebble]

Ok but if our Good pal Leth feels SS will be out before Crowsworn which will come out DEC 2023 if not delayed so uh as long as it's not DEC 2023 I'll stand by that

[nimble pebble]

TC is taking a break from HK after SS

[drifting ice]

did you see the /s

[reef scarab]

Hadn’t production started at least a year prior to the announcement? With the higher budget and the time I think 2022 is very likely

[haughty brook]

At this point we don't any idea of how TC is progressing with SS, they don't have a "we are now into 89% of development" they are almost radio silent regarding news possibly so not to over spoiled any secrets or hidden lore because its a game centered in exploration and discovery.

[nimble pebble]

Production started March 2017 along with the HK DLC's but started full on production just before Godmaster came out

[stiff burrow]

Crowsworn devs also said Dec 2023 is conservative, as in it could come out earlier than that. So yeah 2023 seems unlikely for SS now that I think about it

[nimble pebble]

Well Leth is a Marketing dude on both games so I feel his educated guess is better than ours

[drifting ice]

way to ruin the joke

[haughty brook]

Also I don't know how Crowsworn is going to implement every backer content + the actual game in time for before the end of 2023, at least the if developing team way bigger than TC.

[nimble pebble]

By developing it

[nimble pebble]

idk what you want from me man I don't know what /S means and also X game after SIlksong joke has been made a thousand times

I can't tell you how many times people make Zoteboat jokes

[drifting ice]

it means the message was sarcastic

[reef scarab]

maybe pax Australia?

[nimble pebble]

I see

[stiff burrow]

You've never seen /s before and that it means sarcasm? Huh.

[nimble pebble]

I only ever see people use /j

[drifting ice]

same difference basically

[nimble pebble]

and maybe /hj

[stiff burrow]

On the other hand I have never seen anyone use /j or /hj

[nimble pebble]

I've seen people use /j ironically

[stiff burrow]

Weird. Okay whatever

[verbal prawn]

what do you think could be taking them as much time as it has taken so far?

[nimble pebble]

Development

[verbal prawn]

I know game development is hard, but damn, they made HK in a much shorter time

And it was a brand new IP

[nimble pebble]

HK ran out of money bro

[haughty brook]

At this point TC seems less inclined for gaming events and do stuff and their own pace. Heck, the SS reveal trailer was release one day after a Nintendo Direct.

[stiff burrow]

That was only because TC was unaware there would be a direct

[drifting ice]

/j (/s)

[reef scarab]

release date one day after PAX Australia??? /j

[nimble pebble]

You can't compare HK a game made on a Shoe string budget and was forced to release due to running out of money and had to be updated later to a game that has a huge budget and no deadline like SS

[haughty brook]

Exactly, they are in their own world doing the stuff they want and just do without knowing if there is a big game release or an event coming soon.

[drifting ice]

fuck man
SS is gonna be huge

[nimble pebble]

They can actually put all their ideas into the game without having to do it in content updates like they were forced to in HK

[drifting ice]

it kinda just hit me

[barren roost]

yeah they made the dlc, completing the game, up to 2018

[verbal prawn]

Ohhhh, that gives me a much clearer picture, thank you

[nimble pebble]

NP man

[drifting ice]

i think it'd be funny if there was a boss who's main gimmick was that it was a 3d model
kinda unrelated but what do you guys think

[nimble pebble]

Well, TC said SS won't be that much bigger than HK and will likely be same size or slightly larger

[drifting ice]

thank god

[nimble pebble]

So I would say think 1.3X compared to HK's 1.0

[reef scarab]

The fact that Silksong has a much larger budget than hollow knight and is also taking so long is really exciting

[nimble pebble]

Maybe 1.5X if we're pushing it

[haughty brook]

Also HK development wasn't totally smooth. They began production in 2014 and had to switch engines midway through and just released the game in 2017.

[heavy magnet]

more thoughts on vessels in Pharloom
TC early DLC plans was for an Abyss expansion that never happened, which would have involved going into the Void Sea and exploring its 'twisted spaces'
that puts me in mind of the idea of eldritch geography - the Void is 'bigger on the inside' and has different internal properties
see the Shade Cloak dish, which constantly pours out Void - Void is bigger on the inside and can flow from twisted spaces
so maybe there is a Void source in Pharloom that vessels could travel to from the Abyss, using the internal twisted space of the Void
hence Hallownest vessels traveling to Pharloom, and maybe other places
possibly explaining how vessels like TK got out of the Abyss and so far outside Hallownest

[haughty brook]

I imagine that its not just a bigger map size and a bigger "density" for NPCs and stuff to do.

[nimble pebble]

HK is just a mess well SS isn't is the point really

[nimble pebble]

We mean game size

[drifting ice]

mmm big message
time to leave

[reef scarab]

however big it is and however different I trust it’s gonna be awesome

[haughty brook]

Dude, in relative terms, HK isn't a mess of a game. Yes, it ran in a very small budget, but it was still a complete game and didn't went into the same way as Fallout 76 or some AAA unstable and glitchy games lacking content or day one DLCs.

[nimble pebble]

It was a mess, lmao, do you know how much of spaghetti code it was at launch?

[reef scarab]

and the dlc that was released ended up being free and huge lmao

[nimble pebble]

We still have some residual of it with Godmaster

[drifting ice]

it's honestly a miracle it released

[haughty brook]

Spaghetti code that was still pie code in comparison with Bethesda games in recent years.

[nimble pebble]

Release HK was a mess, anyone who denies this is in denial, current HK is however pretty well structured

[nimble pebble]

The DLC was content lost in lack of money for it to be added so of course it was free

Why would they charge us for content they were supposed to add in but couldn't

[drifting ice]

anyone who denies this is in denial
"Anyone who breathes fire is a fire-breather"

[nimble pebble]

This floor is made of floor

[haughty brook]

Being their first commerial game, yeah it made sense that HK didn't have the best code, I remember when they released the Lifeblood update and a bunch of stuff broke in some places.

[nimble pebble]

It probably would have been better if they had more time to iron things out

[haughty brook]

Still, is remarkable that HK was a indie hit with a relativebly obscure team while others were already big figures like Toby Fox or had super direct support from big companies like with Cuphead or Ori.

[nimble pebble]

I get it

[mortal bluff]

Hollow knight got a game changing update!!!!

Mantis traitors drop 22 geo instead of 21!!!!

Let’s gooooooooooo!!!!

[reef scarab]

[chilly nexus]

moss knights are outtie

[nimble pebble]

Pog

[barren roost]

surprised at how they chose to do such a game changer

[vagrant umbra]

How’s my favorite discord channel doing?

[vivid belfry]

idk this isn't the league of legends server

sorry that was unnecessarily rude

[nimble pebble]

League, More like Bad

[haughty brook]

League of Legends, more like, Death!

[chilly nexus]

league of legends? more like league of do-do-dopamine... heh... dopamine... get it? heh... i miss dopamine...

[hollow terrace]

[mortal bluff]

[chilly nexus]

('twas a hemi-joke)

fun fact: I used to have close to an 80% winrate on my brand and seraphine supports

got more S's than non-S's

[brisk shale]

how many silks does it take to make a song

[chilly nexus]

only 1!

unless you want to make a cord

[brisk shale]

nice

[elfin swift]

it's only silksong if it's made in the adelaide region of australia otherwise it's just melodic fiber

[reef scarab]

Rewatched like an hour worth of mossbag Silksong videos

my hype has returned

[brisk shale]

It will soon vanish

[unkempt wraith]

I have no reason to believe SS still exists

I also have no reason to believe i still exist

[tidal holly]

seen to be waiting an awful lot for silk song

[visual grove]

What if SS was just a massive bait

[nimble pebble]

What if everyone is just so impatient to the point of paranoia

[tidal holly]

you know what

[nimble pebble]

[tidal holly]

it probably is

[nimble pebble]

My point is Proven

[unkempt wraith]

Like i said, i have no reason to believe its real

[nimble pebble]

#sk-discussion message

[tidal holly]

it doesnt

i made the lore channel so angry LOL

tell lore channel that the knight is pale king, and hornet is void. XD

[unkempt wraith]

I am

[unkempt wraith]

Thats how you die

[nimble pebble]

Have fun with that warning

[nimble pebble]

At least you’re honest

[unkempt wraith]

Im self aware

[visual grove]

Tbh I'm just playing other games to prevent me from being sad about ss not being out

[unkempt wraith]

Im playing subnauitca

[nimble pebble]

Same

Though I’m not that sad even if I remember since it’ll be out at some point and it’ll be good

[unkempt wraith]

When SS is out will be the day i dont sleep because ill be busy playing it

If it comes out that is

[nimble pebble]

Nah it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when

[unkempt wraith]

Also no, the release date wasnt in spain

[unkempt wraith]

Assuming its real

[nimble pebble]

Nice paranoia bro It’d be a shame if someone told you, that perhaps you need to calm down a bit and not worry too much

TC knows what they’re doing dw

[unkempt wraith]

Im not worring, im just questioning if its real, calmly

[nimble pebble]

As a person.who’s studied psychology, it’s not a hallucination it’s real

[unkempt wraith]

Thats not what i mean

[nimble pebble]

It’s real in every sense

[barren roost]

I don't do that anymore because hype is like some weird rug
I mean drug

[nimble pebble]

Hype is for when we have release date

[unkempt wraith]

The day we get one of those is the day i party

[reef scarab]

I watch videos, get super excited, move on

PAX Australia seems like a potential candidate?

[unkempt wraith]

As soon as SS come out for switch, im getting it, and i wont sleep untill 4 am

[nimble pebble]

TC isn’t above posting a release date 2 weeks before launch so idk about that

[nimble pebble]

It comes out for switch at launch

[unkempt wraith]

So when it comes out, im not sleeping till 4

[reef scarab]

Can’t wait to buy Silksong and milk it of everything in it within 3 days

[stiff burrow]

I already know that after I'm done with it there will be a lot of people I can watch play it too

[serene chasm]

You can never beat it. You will be playing til you die

[vivid belfry]

True!

Speaking of which, I'm way overdue for an HK speedrun

[nimble pebble]

Do one

[reef scarab]

I’m legit so excited for this game because no metroidvania I’ve played has been even half as good as hollow knight

[vivid belfry]

Maybe later

Blasphemous is approximately half as good as hollow knight imo

Not a bad way to be I reckon

[reef scarab]

Not an insult to other metroidvania’s by the way

[still owl]

Blasphemous’ world building, and pure athletics give it a huge advantage. The art is also so good. I’d love to see this game through a CRT, make those pixels pop to life more.

[vivid belfry]

Hey shal guess what

[still owl]

what

[vivid belfry]

Chicken Butt

Also CRT filter

[reef scarab]

Silksong goty

[still owl]

Sadly CRT filters don’t emulate the CRT look well.

[reef scarab]

saying it now Silksong is bound to win at least one category right?

[still owl]

Let’s hope

[vivid belfry]

More likely than hollow knight

[still owl]

BOTW2 or something else could give it some trouble in some categories if both games release at almost the same time

[hollow terrace]

or maybe less likely

[vivid belfry]

Indie games don't win goty unless they have pre-release hype, which SS does

[serene chasm]

It better win all category

[still owl]

Assuming the gameplay is good lol (joking of course)

[vivid belfry]

Anyway I'll get to another HK speedrun when one or more of the following are true:
A) I've gotten all achievements in Omori
2) I haven't started playing nier replicant yet
III) Nanowrimo is over

[reef scarab]

Honestly one of the things I’m most excited for is quests

[still owl]

Quests have wanted to be a thing since pre 2017 HK interviews, just like the forest of bones haha

Let’s hope the wait was worth it

[reef scarab]

Oh it will be

Don’t get me wrong I love the random quests as well but structure is pretty nice for me

[still owl]

With SS size, let’s hope we can do multiple quests at a time

[vivid belfry]

I don't think "accepting quests" is even going to be necessary most of the time

You can probably do most of them by just fulfilling the criteria before even talking to the NPC

[still owl]

Such as gathering mossberries early, that’s a good point

[reef scarab]

I’d say only grand hunts at most

[civic moat]

I kinda hope quests in ss won't tell you exactly what to do, but hints what to do and allow for exploration

[unkempt wraith]

There will be berries of moss?????

[reef scarab]

You probably can’t fulfill the hunt quotas or whatever without accepting the quests, if we’re right about what wayfarer is then they won’t accept your help until the quest is assigned, and they might not accept what you give them in gathering

[vivid belfry]

I mean that would be a bad way to design the game but theoretically it could work like that

These are likely gonna be a source of upgrades, so forcing you to talk to the NPC before fulfilling a quest is basically the same as having to ask a door for a key that unlocks the key for the same door

[reef scarab]

what

I mean like accepting the quest on the board

[stiff burrow]

Maybe all the hunts will be types of difficult enemies only found in one spot that don't respawn?
"Kill generic enemy 10 times" sounds boring after all

[vivid belfry]

Yeah I don't see any reason to think that that would be necessary

I agree with rayman about hunt quests basically being formalized enemy gauntlets, gather quests seem like they're gonna be tied to items that don't regenerate, and we don't have any idea what wayfarer quests are

So so far, that's all stuff that should be easily trackable by the game without having to manage a quest submenu

[reef scarab]

People theorize that they’re escort missions

Like “help this npc get from point A to point B”

[vivid belfry]

I think the quest board should act more like a pointer for unchecked areas of the map than a mandatory part of the gameplay loop

[reef scarab]

That’s because of what’s his name from the trailer

[reef scarab]

I mean, probably just for non mandatory upgrades and tools I imagine

[stiff burrow]

The guy riding the other bug?

[vivid belfry]

Basically if you know the game from front to back already, you can just do everything without being told how/where

[reef scarab]

yeah

[vivid belfry]

And mossberries being collectible in the demo certainly points to that being the case

[stiff burrow]

Garmond and Zaza

Yeah that could totally be an escort but those two seemed to be fine by themselves, running all the enemies over

[reef scarab]

what about flying enemies tho

[vivid belfry]

Escort mission but THEY'RE protecting YOU

The challenge is surviving more challenging enemy patterns but you have the assistance of an unkillable npc

[stiff burrow]

Run past them? Also they just Leeroy Jenkins'd the way really quickly, that'd make it hard to protect them

[vivid belfry]

Sounds way more fun than playing keepaway

[stiff burrow]

I like that idea Grover

[reef scarab]

I don’t see you being able to fail at them in a sense where the person you’re helping dies

unless hornet steals the reward from their corpse

[stiff burrow]

That'd be weird if they could die yeah.
Maybe Wayfarer isn't escort but instead "open shortcut X for NPC to use"

[reef scarab]

anyway brb food

[vivid belfry]

My actual theory is that wayfarer is a way to tie quests to platforming challenges, to fit with the other 2 quest genres fitting into already existing gameplay niches

Hunt: mob combat
Grand hunt: boss combat
Gather: exploration/collecting
Wayfarer: platforming

It's everything in a metroidvania, but more! (Also it's an easy solution to the key/key door problem)

[stiff burrow]

So you think it might be get through a room in a time limit maybe?

[vivid belfry]

An NPC can give you anything and it doesn't have to be thematically relevant to the area that the quest actually takes place in

[stiff burrow]

It would be nice if the items they own make lore sense for their characters though

[vivid belfry]

That, in addition to the thing about pointing players toward corners of the map they're missing shit in, is what I think the quest system is aiming to accomplish

Well yeah, it just means they're not limited as much by the environment

As an example, collector being in city of tears makes way more sense than being in queens gardens, but he can't be immediately accessible from CoT because he's supposed to be a late game boss

[stiff burrow]

I guess they could just say "I found this in that area" and bam, explanation.

[vivid belfry]

So they had to make a door and put the key to that door in a late game area

This is the same kinda thing

[stiff burrow]

And there would be a wayfarer quest to find the key?

[vivid belfry]

I mean quests in general

The reward for completing a challenge isn't necessarily related to where you did it

[stiff burrow]

Ah, I see

[vivid belfry]

Like if spore shroom was a reward from an NPC in fungal wastes for completing a gauntlet of enemies in crossroads

Or something like that

[stiff burrow]

Makes sense. I hope the quests will be actually cool and not busywork, but I expect tc to do it well

[nimble pebble]

Suitable rewards I imagine

[stiff burrow]

Anyway, going to bed so goodnight

[nimble pebble]

Getting certain tools from specific quests that are fun sounds cool

[vivid belfry]

If gather quests are basically just another layer of rewarding exploration with unique collectibles instead of "grind me 2000 shell shards" then I imagine other shitty RPG busywork will be similarly subverted

[nimble pebble]

I agree

[vivid belfry]

Mossberries are like relics but for unique rewards instead of currency

Same with shimmering pearls and whatever else we see in each area

[chilly nexus]

ye i think this is part of how they'll reward exploring SS's (likely) larger number of areas. fragment upgrades such as tools into a few materials, where instead of finding the tool outright, you gather the unique material items from various places first. (there are ofc likely still pickup tools)

[vivid belfry]

I think all of the active tools are going to be picked up and only passives will have a first time crafting cost

[nimble pebble]

I actually followed this logic when dealing with my fan made area for SS since I think it’s a good idea

[vivid belfry]

Like, it doesn't make sense to need unique materials for something that can be easily replicated with shell shards

Unless you wanted to chalk it up to research costs or something

[chilly nexus]

to prevent players from finding, say, 2/3 materials for every upgrade in the game, never actually finishing one, TC will likely make it so after finding one or two materials, an NPC or quest board will help point you to finding the remaining relevant ones. Something like "Oh! is that an obsidian bubble? If I had X and Y, found around Z, I could make you something special"

[chilly nexus]

that makes some sense ye

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps first time craft requires materials but not all crafts if that tool afterwards

[chilly nexus]

i was kinda interested by the seeming abundance of mossberries

between that and the drinks/food alluded to in the caravan bit, i kinda feel like consumables might be a thing too

[unkempt wraith]

There are berries of moss????

[chilly nexus]

cuz mossberries are def not a unique material

the druid could be whipping you up a single use drink with your moss berries vs a tool

[nimble pebble]

Consumables seems like a dumb thing for a Metroidvania

[unkempt wraith]

Mossberries new best berry because moss is best

[vivid belfry]

Ehhh I'm pretty sure they are unique

I think minimizing farming is a good thing

[chilly nexus]

we saw (what is supposed) to be one in the moss grotto trailer, and another was alluded to in edge (a bug carrying a moss berry in its mandibles)

[vivid belfry]

Having a bunch of resource deposits you need to periodically farm by bench sitting sounds like it could get annoying

[unkempt wraith]

Give. Me. THE MOSSBERRIES.

[vivid belfry]

Especially since they use the pickup animation

That more than anything makes me think they're one time pickup

[chilly nexus]

the bug's berry could very well be unobtainable, and if it is obtainable, there could also be overlap in tool material needs, but i'm not ready yet to discount there being consumables possibly

i'm not saying it's likely, but i feel like it's not < 25% or anything

"flavorful food and powerful drinks", that sounds pretty explicitely consumable

[nimble pebble]

*Consume this brew to have +25% attack for 20min sounds dumb

[chilly nexus]

you and i both know TC will integrate it better than that

[nimble pebble]

I would expect as such

[unkempt wraith]

If mossberries arent a thing i can use in SS, im not playing it

[chilly nexus]

they're a confirmed item at the least! not an active item or anything, but a material to be used in other things is fairly certain

[unkempt wraith]

I want to eat them

What do they taste like????

[chilly nexus]

you can prolly make a mossberry brew with the druid and find out

[unkempt wraith]

YES

[chilly nexus]

"mossberry brew" also sounds very consumable. although there is the green looking tool that could be the "mossberry brew" possibly?

[unkempt wraith]

I just want to eat one

[chilly nexus]

i'm not saying consumables will be in ss, but i don't think we should expect them to be absent by virtue of it being a metroidvania

you'll have to stir its juices up first

[unkempt wraith]

Why, why cant i just eat the berry itself?

[serene chasm]

I totally think consumables will be in SS

[chilly nexus]

i'm not sure! maybe hornet jusut isn't that adventurous and needs things to be prepared ala the local cuisine

[reef scarab]

Probably tastes like an undergrown strawberry

[chilly nexus]

this sounds surprisingly accurate. or like sorrell

[unkempt wraith]

All i want, is to eat a mossberry, if i cant eat one, then at least let me eat something with it in it

[chilly nexus]

the brew will be 4 u

[unkempt wraith]

Ok, now, to wait for the game to come out, once that happens, my main goal will be "get mossberry"

[reef scarab]

Plant strawberry seeds and then eat one before it’s fully grown and bam you’ve tasted a mossberry

[chilly nexus]

you'll get tone pretty soon the green thing in the nintendo treehouse in moss grotto is suspected to be a mossberry

the mossberry brew will likely be the game's first consumable if it is one

[unkempt wraith]

Good, so my playtime till i get to taste it will be short

Mossberry% speedrun

[chilly nexus]

ye you can speedrun a mossberry brew in 10 mins i'd say

or less if you get the game a few hours late and use the 127% walkthrough guide that inevitably appears :p

[unkempt wraith]

No, im getting it minute 1

[chilly nexus]

samesame

[unkempt wraith]

Its quicker than waiting

[chilly nexus]

tis true. you can probably blindly get the brew before a guide is up for it if you play from release

[unkempt wraith]

Ill make the guide

[earnest fox]

lol SS leaks with no info

[tawdry token]

A W A K E N S

Damn. No Silksong yet?

[reef scarab]

:(

[unkempt wraith]

Nope, still no mossberries

[tawdry token]

[earnest fox]

I dont think we'll get any info until at least the crowsworn kickstarter is done

not that we really get info anyways

[nimble pebble]

Leth is doing a Crowsworn interview right now

[earnest fox]

on twitch?

[unkempt wraith]

When does that end?

[nimble pebble]

yes

On the Theromshow

[barren roost]

[earnest fox]

link?

[unkempt wraith]

HYEH?

[earnest fox]

of the twitch

[nimble pebble]

I can't advertise since it's against the rules so just look up "TheRowShow" on Twitch

[reef scarab]

I was thinking PAX Australia

[nimble pebble]

Lmao they asked when SS will be out

[unkempt wraith]

And?

[nimble pebble]

Well of course Leth didn't answer

[unkempt wraith]

DANGIT

[nimble pebble]

It's being worked on

[barren roost]

oh dear
silkne

ol

[unkempt wraith]

Also at first i thought you meant TC asked

[nimble pebble]

No

[trim estuary]

No

[unkempt wraith]

"When is our game coming out?"

[chrome tapir]

Silklol

[unkempt wraith]

The game is taking so long to come out because they need to spend a lot of time on the mossberries

[raven minnow]

I can't find "TheRowShow" on twitch, are you sure that's correct?

[fiery coral]

he used two different spellings, maybe this is the right one? ^

[raven minnow]

oh ok let me check

yes it's that one thx

[orchid scroll]

hornet is made out of bug

[unkempt wraith]

Or is she? Ow0

[orchid scroll]

say that again and i will put you in the toaster 5 more times

[unkempt wraith]

OwO

[orchid scroll]

dont you fucking dare

[sacred stratus]

some fax over here bois

[unkempt wraith]

kill me first

[orchid scroll]

no, your going in alive, you will feel the pain of the burns the toaster will give you

[unkempt wraith]

then do it already

[orchid scroll]

-Y O U   F E E L   Y O U R   S K I N   S T A R T   M E L T I N G

[tawdry valley]

Finally got more footage for that forest of bones golem boss

I’d prefer to discuss rayman legends over whatever y’all were talking about anyways.

[unkempt wraith]

Finally, someone actually killing me when they threaten me

[orchid scroll]

-Y O U   F E E L   Y O U R   S K I N   P A I N F U L L Y   R E A T T A C H I N G
-Y O U   A R E   I N   E T E R N A L   T O A S T E R   T O R M E N T
-Y O U   C A N   N E V E R   D I E

[lapis oyster]

Huh?

[unkempt wraith]

This guy is torchering me because i UwUed

[lapis oyster]

UwU

Ironically of course :)

[charred pulsar]

hahah good find DDX

[sacred stratus]

even tho I don't own the game I played it with a friend and I do own Rayman Origins and it's one of my favorites

[tawdry valley]

Right? It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the boss in the trailer, lol.

[tawdry valley]

Yeah, honestly an awesome game for what it is

[sacred stratus]

it's also very consumer friendly bcs the game includes Origins in it

so you get two awesome games for the price of one

[spare yew]

If silksong wont be released in half a year, im commiting war crimes in bosnia

[sacred stratus]

uhmm yeah about that... I already did that

[spare yew]

Oh-

[mortal bluff]

I seeeeeeeeee…

[spare yew]

ymmmmmmmmmmmmm uhhhhhhhhh-

[sacred stratus]

don't worry I'll commit suicide today anyways

[unkempt wraith]

How did it gOwO? UwU

[spare yew]

dont bro

commit more warcrimes

[mortal bluff]

Dude I hope your joking

[sacred stratus]

final exam in discrete maths is not something I want to live for

I'm joking my dude

[unkempt wraith]

But, you need to live for SS

[mortal bluff]

I know but just in case

[sacred stratus]

I hate this subject with a passion and I'll probably fail but I really don't care

[split remnant]

Time for my monthly checkup on this chat

Any new info 🛐

[unkempt wraith]

Mossberries might taste like unripe strawberries

[split remnant]

Yum

[bleak scarab]

I hate Math too had shave my soul off to prepare for the Math test

[edgy sleet]

silksong news?

[bleak scarab]

You know the answer already.

[edgy sleet]

ik lol

[unkempt wraith]

The silksong news is that mossberries taste like unripe strawberries

[chrome tapir]

Silkwhy

[dim ferry]

Bare minimum
I wish they would just flat out say 2022 release

[hybrid moat]

B

[unkempt wraith]

I dont think even they know when it us

[finite lake]

any ss news?

[tribal merlin]

you've been here for a while you know where to look

[unkempt wraith]

Im not saying the mossberry news again

[finite lake]

when did silksong not realse?

[unkempt wraith]

Yes

[finite lake]

this past week has been very hot where i live

[distant karma]

[unkempt wraith]

Drink water

[finite lake]

i have been eating ice cubes

[unkempt wraith]

Drink ice water

[finite lake]

eat ice water

[unkempt wraith]

Water ice*

[tribal merlin]

you drink hot tea to cool down, that's common knowledge

ingesting cold stuff makes your body produce more heat

[unkempt wraith]

No, thats how you cool up

[finite lake]

i wish i could go to a pool but it needs to be outside and where i live it is usually cold so there aren't that much outdoor pools

so silksong

will the silksong temperatures be hot or cold?

[tribal merlin]

both

[finite lake]

bone bottem is hot

what are the silksong temperatures?

it is like 26 degrees Celsius here

[edgy sleet]

its probs 2021

[tribal merlin]

SS 2021 is more unlikely every day

[edgy sleet]

i feel like it will

[tribal merlin]

wouldn't bet on it

and people "felt" it'll come out 2020 for sure, funny how that worked out

[median valley]

im actually so sad

we need them to like release any update\

like "whats up guys pretty sure we are at leastr 50% of the way"

[edgy sleet]

i thought the game was in a way finished

[viral pivot]

no

Is this from the taken out of context leth quote

where he was doing a hypothetical

[tribal merlin]

that's not how software development works

they're not cooking a chicken

[viral pivot]

🐔

[fluid geyser]

Good morning everyone!

[fiery coral]

good morning!

[fluid geyser]

:3

Any new theory about silksong? Its been a while since i came to this chat...

[fiery coral]

nothing new

[abstract plume]

hopefully i remember to change my name tomorrow at least so i can hit 888

[sacred stratus]

wait it's been 887 days since the SS reveal?

I thought it's about 930 at this point

[abstract plume]

feb 14, 2019

[sacred stratus]

I know

yeah my math was wrong as always

[abstract plume]

thankfully whenever i type in d into google, one of the first recommended results for me is always days since feb 14, 2019

[haughty ingot]

theory: silksong is not real and it is only to boost HK sales

[nimble radish]

any theories that don't involve silksong not being real

[abstract plume]

my theory is dec 4th release date, because about a year ago, i chose a random date from a random date generator

[sacred stratus]

sounds reasonable my theory is 2023

[tribal pagoda]

My brain says longer

[sacred stratus]

at least

[solid tundra]

WHEN SILKSONG

[sacred stratus]

play other metroidvenias in the meanwhile

I think I beat around 6 so far

[abstract plume]

been playing just about everything except metroidvanias

maybe i should paly the ender lily one though

[sacred stratus]

it's pretty good from what I've heard. I personally don't like the art-style tho

but if you like it check it out

[acoustic jetty]

what are the latest speculations of the people?

[normal hinge]

bubsy 4d will release on the 13th of may in 2024

[acoustic jetty]

now that's news to get exited for

[fleet temple]

i just did a random date generator, 6th of feb 2022 ss release date confirmed

[signal crag]

February
AKA the only month Silksong is allowed to come out

[edgy sleet]

guys silksong released yo (fake)

[normal hinge]

I thought it was real 😭 😡

[acoustic jetty]

it is, if you believe hard enough.

wait, that's diskworld...

[fleet temple]

yes if you ask some people

[primal oriole]

2 whole random guesses land on 6th of February, which makes it twice as likely as every other theory

[sick heart]

other people: *waiting to announced release date of their game". we: *waiting to announcements of announcement"

That's really interesting. Can we even get some pieces of information in this year? I don't even thinking about release in this year

[signal crag]

maybe on christmas at best

[balmy osprey]

https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1417441261582045186 Can you imagine if we just got funny little updates like this every so often?

tobyfox (@tobyfox)

Deltarune's development is going well.
Another friend played a beta version of Chapter 2.
She really liked it. However, she accidentally missed seeing the toilet and had to reset. It can be a cruel game.

Twitter · Jul 20, 2021, 11:08 AM

[tribal merlin]

if you want meaningless pieces of information you could just make them up yourself

cuz that update could come from basically any dev for any game

[split blade]

i had a dream about talking about a new trailer for silksong in this server

it had the knight in it as a boss, does that count as news

[normal hinge]

no

[split blade]

damn

[tribal merlin]

we're done with the dream thing since nov 2020
also it might not be as original as you think

[left yacht]

Is that good or bad?

[split blade]

nah it was just a dream i had, reminded me about this server

[inland ember]

Team cherry says every hk ending is canon, but that just can’t be possible due to the one where hornet is sealed in the black egg. So which one do you think is actually canon?

In ss I mean

[jade canopy]

None cuz it’s a prequel

[balmy osprey]

...

they have made it very clear multiple times that it is not a prequel

[analog forge]

every ending is canonical to its own playthrough.

[balmy osprey]

it would also be impossible for it to be a prequel

[jade canopy]

And we have seen hornet/something break a seal in the trailer so it could technically also be after the sealed siblings ending

And my mention of the prequel was a bit of a joke but i am pretty sure TC never said anything about ss not being a prequel

[balmy osprey]

they've referred to it as a sequel multiple times, and there is no way that it could happen between the events of hornets birth and the start of the game

[inland ember]

If hornet got kidnapped and moved to another land I’d think she’d mention it sometime

So prob not a prequel

[jade canopy]

Oh hi ghost did you know I was kidnapped to an other place ?
When would that conversation appear in the like 20 line of dialogue that hornet has ?

[inland ember]

I don’t know, but it would be an important piece of lore and I don’t think she wouldn’t say nothing about it sometime

[jade canopy]

And saying that ss is the sequel of hk, as the 2nd entry in the series not literally what happens after hk

[cunning geode]

To be fair TC has purposely left it ambiguous so far as to if it takes place after or before HK

[jade canopy]

Well technically in the french traduction…

[cunning geode]

However Silksong before HK really doesn’t make much sense regardless

[coarse leaf]

Silksong won’t be a prequel

[inland ember]

Also we don’t see any magic door-opening butterflies anywhere in hollow nest that I know of, so the sealed siblings ending has a quite high chance to officially not be canon

[pallid flare]

intersequel?

[cunning geode]

Well about that

[ocean mulch]

[pallid flare]

ever seen the opening cutscene

[ocean mulch]

Where are those zotes from

[inland ember]

For ss?

[coarse leaf]

Wouldn’t you like to know

[pallid flare]

yes

[ocean mulch]

Yes I would that's why I asked

[coarse leaf]

[inland ember]

That’s from right before the gate to a complete other kingdom

[pallid flare]

what

gimme a min

[cunning geode]

They are right

[ocean mulch]

Hornet can also just wake up right

[coarse leaf]

Anyways, I made all those zotes. And they’re unattainable without stealing them for your own

[inland ember]

It depends if the black egg can open like a door from the inside

[stark prism]

not swag the banner is crusty

[coarse leaf]

The cultists, clearly, want Hornet. Pharloom, clearly, know how to use seals and seal-breaking bugs. Obviously, they would use one to break the egg. Why would they journey to another kingdom unprepared? Also, clearly, they know how to work with seal of bindings, hence the seal of binding on hornet’s cage

[inland ember]

Plus at the end of sealed siblings, hornet becomes the one and ONLY dreamer

[inland ember]

TRUE

[coarse leaf]

The hornet dreamer seal isnt as strong as the triple dreamer seal, the cultists could break in with said seal-breaking-bug magic

Sealed Siblings IS canon

[inland ember]

I don’t see any other ending that wouldn’t really make sense

[coarse leaf]

Exactly. Because all endings are canon

[inland ember]

And dreamers can probably take their own seal off for a security measure too

What about the secret ending where elder bug is the final boss?

[coarse leaf]

[inland ember]

What would an elder bug boss fight be like? Would he fight you with, wisdom?

[coarse leaf]

[inland ember]

He’d fight with tea?

[coarse leaf]

[pallid flare]

[coarse leaf]

[coarse leaf]

So, aside from all this... whatever that’s taking place... let’s discuss why I think Ogrim will return

1. He becomes a tool in Silksong

[cunning geode]

:/

[coarse leaf]

2. He went missing in the first game, nowhere to be seen in the whole kingdom after fighting all the WD battles. This means he left the kingdom.

[fiery coral]

I hate that so much

[coarse leaf]

3. Doma doma, who WOULDNT want the happy shit lad to return

[fiery coral]

every single time I look at it I am reminded of how horrible it is and why it should never exist

[normal hinge]

hey unique

[fiery coral]

aajjjfw

GEF

[cunning geode]

wombat

[normal hinge]

hello wombat

[coarse leaf]

[pallid flare]

now you have my attention

[coarse leaf]

[fiery coral]

[coarse leaf]

[pallid flare]

doma doma ahahaha!

[surreal mortar]

Do not worry

Silksong is soon

[trim estuary]

Silksoon

[untold elk]

Any news About Silksong?

[pallid flare]

nope

[pallid flare]

how

[haughty ingot]

idk

[pallid flare]

i am envious

[copper knot]

BEST

[young walrus]

Why the fuck are there so many Elderpogs

[coarse leaf]

🍿

[young walrus]

GEF, haven’t seen you in here for a while

[olive bobcat]

[coarse leaf]

...I was here a few moments ago

[young walrus]

Oh well I just logged in here

[coarse leaf]

Fair

[pallid flare]

do you guys think that wilbo knows that his face is a meme now

[coarse leaf]

You can’t out-emote me

Still different

Blind

Uhm-

Wait... prove to me you have more emotes, it could be a draw

Me neither

Draw?

Doesn’t count!

[glossy gazelle]

[barren roost]

who does this

what have I just walked into

also why are there six ElderCs

[pallid flare]

you don't have 5 elderCs?

[barren roost]

I clearly have no life

but I do have one william pellen emote, at least

[main plover]

All this waiting for SS probably means the game will be much bigger than anticipated

thoughts?

[pallid flare]

thoughts on what

[copper knot]

i think we already know that ss is gonna be big

i just hope silksong has a lot of optional content to make it more fun

[vivid belfry]

Optional content? In a metroidvania? Don't be schewpid

[carmine sapphire]

How much do you guys cry because silksong isnt out?

I cry alot

[vivid belfry]

One ounce

[pallid flare]

not much

[glossy gazelle]

I don’t cry at all

[copper knot]

i cry like 3 times per year max

nobody has heard me cry i think

[digital junco]

skill issue

[unkempt wraith]

I dont really care enough to cry, but i also dont think it exists anymore

[carmine sapphire]

[digital junco]

mat

[barren roost]

SILKNEVER HAHAHAHAHAHA

[pallid flare]

silk does not exist

now laugh

[vivid belfry]

This is so funny wtf

[glossy gazelle]

Simply a difference in skill

[native sierra]

silksong

[stark prism]

i wish silksong will have an elderbug equivalent that is not useless

[digital junco]

how would it be an equivalent AND not useless

[stark prism]

the churchkeeper seems like an elderbug like npc that actually has a use

[vivid belfry]

Elderbug has a use: he tells you where to go, that's it