#sk-discussion

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analog forge
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neverunderstimate the spitefulness of people

pallid flare
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i can accurately see when someone created their account and when they joined

analog forge
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wtf, dont look at that, it makes me feel naked

rapid topaz
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I mean, betterdiscord sounds like a good tool but I think the basic discord is good enough for how often I use it lol

languid linden
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It is?

modest night
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it technically is yeah

pallid flare
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basic discord is good but betterdiscord is better

languid linden
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I have literally never used it but that's kinda weird

modest night
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probably because of the plugins rather than the themes i guess

languid linden
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I don't think I can use it actually

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Does it only work for the desktop app?

pallid flare
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i think that it's desktop only

languid linden
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Yeah I'm on a chromebook zote

pallid flare
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chromebooks are weird

languid linden
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Yes

pallid flare
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is it even strong enough to run anything

languid linden
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There are very few things that are compatible with it

languid linden
rapid topaz
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huh I just saw a BD plugin which is... kind of a cheat

pallid flare
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should be enough

nimble pebble
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My laptop is like a mid tier desktop so it runs things fine

rapid topaz
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it's called ShowHiddenChannel lmao

languid linden
pallid flare
pallid flare
languid linden
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The problem isn't that my laptop isn't strong enough to handle stuff, it's that most things only work on windows

rapid topaz
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Like if I want to prepare a channel for a secret event in my server, some people might get spoiled from their names, that's not fun

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(It's an example)

pallid flare
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that's on them tho

rapid topaz
normal hinge
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I see through your lies

pallid flare
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hmm

nimble radish
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don't give the channel a relevant name gorbbrain

rapid topaz
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lol

pallid flare
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name it "giveaway" to give them hope

languid linden
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Name it "stop looking at my secret channels"

dusty kettle
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yo what's up

pallid flare
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where's the fun in that

nimble radish
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the sky

pallid flare
dusty kettle
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I didn't ask that

pallid flare
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yet

dusty kettle
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I only came here to say I predict October-December 2021

nimble radish
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lol

nimble pebble
dusty kettle
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Oh and Graig's here

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that's cool

nimble radish
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graig's always here

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it's only sometimes he chooses to let us know

mystic pewter
normal hinge
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they get beheaded

dusty kettle
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Idk but in past bets I said if I'm right I'll donate to charity

mystic pewter
nimble pebble
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Mid 2022

sweet lotus
mystic pewter
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Silksong 2021 is an abandoned hope sadgeyes

sweet lotus
dusty kettle
sweet lotus
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yeah just kidding

dusty kettle
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Yeak Ik

olive bobcat
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le false

mystic pewter
# sweet lotus can't see the reason

If it does come I'll be pleasantly surprised. Right now I'm playing other metroidvanias. Going to play through the 2D metroid when I get back to my wii U, and I beat blasphemous about an hour ago

manic zenith
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le upside down

sweet lotus
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I mean people saw that Silksong wasn't featured in E3 and somehow they link it with some early development stage which says "definitely 2022/2023 release"

pallid flare
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what's so fake

dusty kettle
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I don't know what's taking so long for them like goddamn

pallid flare
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2 years

haughty brook
copper knot
nimble pebble
mystic pewter
pallid flare
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it's almost like

pallid flare
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things take time

dusty kettle
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It was literally like 400 people in this channel saying it should take a shorter time because they're repurposing HK code

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And now I'm being clowned

copper knot
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...lmao since when they reusing hk code

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it might have similar combat systems and art style but that doesnt mean they are copy pasting hollow knight to silksog

nimble pebble
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They were repurposing some but not all of SS's code is HK code, new code has been made as well

sweet lotus
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I believe the announcement trailer gave the impression the game was late in development, so people got their hopes up for a "at most late 2020 release"

haughty brook
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I mean, they are definitly using all their knowldge in developing HK to make SS. Also obviously perfecting their artsyle.

sweet lotus
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and now disappointment kicks in

rapid topaz
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well it does makes some sense, since SS was initially planned to be a HK's DLC, but now I highly doubt some codes are the same

analog forge
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if you have applicable code that can be carried over without issues, theres no real reason not to

copper knot
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i mean just because a game is made with the same people and engine doesnt mean that its all just reskinned code

analog forge
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whats team cherry gonna do? sue for self plagiarism? ha

rapid topaz
copper knot
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things take time to code, and hell even if they didnt need to code its still hard to make a game enjoyable

nimble pebble
dusty kettle
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Anyway idrc but from many of their announcements they were always communicating "crunching", "just a bit more time", and other "we're at the final stretch" stuff like the magazine. I think that's why the community is so anxious, because we've never got a definitive timeline

rapid topaz
pallid flare
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giving a deadline isn't the smartest idea

analog forge
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They've never communicated any of those words

copper knot
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wait since tf did they say we're at the final stretch

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im sorry banana but at this point you are just lying

analog forge
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They've literally said none of those thing banana

dusty kettle
pallid flare
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paraphrasing from what

copper knot
pallid flare
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time for this to turn into #ss-debate

analog forge
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Its always been "we've got big plans"
and "heres a bit of info, goodbye forever"
and "we're busy working on the game"

haughty brook
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I believe that TC are perfectionists and always seem to be in the final line only to have some neat new idea and try to implement but I think I heard that Leth reccomend to refit some of their new ideas that couldn't fit for a new game.

nimble pebble
# rapid topaz I meant Hornet DLC or whatever it's called

Only in the kickstarter was it Hornet DLC, Upon Silksongs initial dev time as a side project while the HK DLC's were being worked on it was being worked on as a game since Leth suggested they do so since it became far too big, and a month before Godmaster came out was when it went into full production so it's always been Silksong as a game since HK initially released

copper knot
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oof sounded a bit rude there sorry

pallid flare
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it started out as hornet dlc but quickly grew out of scope

haughty brook
dusty kettle
rapid topaz
analog forge
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they havent.
If they had, we'd at least know how far along they were

nimble pebble
pallid flare
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I don't recall them telling us how far they were along

analog forge
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but we dont.
we know less than nothing.

copper knot
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0 people are literally confirming your words right now banana

dusty kettle
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Fuck I'm out of here

copper knot
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bye

analog forge
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Feels like im on twitter again

pallid flare
pallid flare
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why were you on twitter anyways

analog forge
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art!

pallid flare
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twitter

analog forge
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but art!

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art overcomes all evil™️

rapid topaz
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Twitter is good as long as you don't debate with people for hours long

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I use it only for announcements and stuff, but I very rarely talk in it

pallid flare
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i have done that on discord too

analog forge
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tbf, it usually doesnt last hours before someone gets blocked or called a sock puppet, or called a bot

haughty brook
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Still baffled by the last tweet TC liked.

heavy bluff
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twitter is only good for art and cat pics but its a hellsite when you actually start interacting with people

rapid topaz
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I've seen really stupid and useless "serious" debates on this media... that I don't even count how much time I lost reading them

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in French community but also English

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french is waaay worse tbh

pallid flare
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french is bad in general

copper knot
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fuck the french

pallid flare
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nah, just the language

rapid topaz
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I won't say fuck bc that's my country but you know..

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and yeah the language is like impossible to learn lol

nimble pebble
# pallid flare nah, just the language

tbh I agree, bitch ass motherfuckers here trying to shove it down everyone's throats and force them to use it and then act surprised when it's dying here and blame the anglophones

pallid flare
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i'm learning the "traditional" french

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with the stupid numbers

nimble pebble
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That's all French lmao

pallid flare
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they do mental gymnastics just to count to 100

rapid topaz
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lmaoo I won't say that's traditional but it sure became something used by everyone

nimble pebble
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Quatre vingt dixneuf

pallid flare
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is it traditional? dunno

olive bobcat
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4 20s 10 9 is my favorite number

pallid flare
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quatre-vingt douze

rapid topaz
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Belgian people have way better and logical words for them tho

pallid flare
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I wish we would learn that

tribal merlin
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they don't do mental gymnastics, to them it's just the word that describes the number

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the ones having to do mental gymnastics are the ones trying to learn French

rapid topaz
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yeah the quatre-vingt and quatre-vingt-dix are stupid

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means 80 and 90

pallid flare
olive bobcat
pallid flare
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instead of having to brute force frnech

nimble pebble
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Latin Languages wack though like seriously

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La Chaise

tribal merlin
pallid flare
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are you all french

haughty brook
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So...is this the french-discussion now?

worthy lichen
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frenchies

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i smell spies

olive bobcat
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Wait is 199 cent-quatre-vingt-dix-neuf

tribal merlin
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French Hornet

pallid flare
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tf

nimble pebble
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J'aime le jeux Soichanté

rapid topaz
graceful mason
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what am i looking at

nimble pebble
pallid flare
nimble pebble
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ah wait that's 199 not 200

ornate beacon
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WHAT?
FR*NCH?
IN MY SS CHAT?

¡NO LO PERMITIRÉ!

olive bobcat
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As always, the French can't count right

nimble pebble
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Only non French people don't get it feelspkman

tribal merlin
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tho a lot of important mathematicians have been/are French

ornate beacon
rapid topaz
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I mean we can but it takes triple the amount of effort to count feelspkman

olive bobcat
nimble pebble
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The real test is do you know the difference between Thousand, million and billion in French (Cheesoid and other Frenchies don't answer)

olive bobcat
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I never learned to count that high

nimble pebble
pallid flare
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mille?

olive bobcat
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Don't remember at least

tribal merlin
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German is also different from English in that regard

pallid flare
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german tho

nimble pebble
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Ironic

olive bobcat
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Why would I, I only want two croissants

nimble pebble
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You fool, We're the best bakers and pastry makers, that's a compliment

rapid topaz
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I mean, it's easy to remember when it's your original language, I don't have any problems with them. The issue is to say the numbers, mainly. when it comes to very high numbers it's confusing

pallid flare
nimble pebble
rapid topaz
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but 2021 is actually easy and logic to say, compared to Billions or more

pallid flare
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coffee tho

nimble pebble
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What about coffee

pallid flare
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italians are the masters of coffee

nimble pebble
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indeed they are

rapid topaz
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Also we have a local meme about french students being really bad at english, which is half true to be honest

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some frenchies doesn't even want to learn it because "too complicated"

nimble pebble
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Oh wow, foreign students who's first language isn't English either have bad grammar or a thick accent, big surprise feelspkman

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Nah myself and many other polylinguals will tell you that English is the most basic bitch language

tribal merlin
nimble pebble
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There's no Masculine Feminin rules for one, which I love zote

agile herald
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Fuck silksong

nimble pebble
agile herald
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I want silksong 2 instead

rapid topaz
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I mean it isn't even about grammar or whatever, it's like really worst than that

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I cannot explain it properly tho

nimble pebble
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English is known for having few rules but far too many exceptions

pallid flare
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english is for the most parts pretty consistent

nimble pebble
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Not with how many exceptions it allows

agile herald
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There are far less inconsistent languages

nimble pebble
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I suppose

rapid topaz
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also personally I find german to be a very aesthetic language

pallid flare
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german is pretty-

nimble pebble
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Some words straight up don't look like they would be pronounced that way though, like who looks at the word Yacht and is like "Yeah that's Ya-ht"

pallid flare
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weird

rapid topaz
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it's too late to learn it now but I think I'd have loved to study german at school

nimble pebble
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It's never too late

pallid flare
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german has many rules

rapid topaz
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I don't have time for that unfortunately

nimble pebble
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Ah I see that's what you meant

pallid flare
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why not

nimble pebble
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Fair enough

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You know the funniest thing to try to explain to Anglophones is the in sound in words

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Like pain, tin-tin, matin etc

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For those who don't speak French the first word is bread

analog forge
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German has lots of rules and its very structured and that makes it really nice to learn conceptually.
to this day i still remember... the concepts of german, if not the words themselves

rapid topaz
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classic joke

pallid flare
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pain au chocolat

nimble pebble
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Chocolate bread

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or as the Anglophones would say it Chocolate pain

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The funny thing is I'm an Anglophone I was just raised bilingual

rapid topaz
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Nonobstant

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(aka one of the most unused word)

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means imo, kind of

olive bobcat
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Le fishe au chocolat

nimble pebble
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Fish in French is poisson

olive bobcat
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Yeah I know I'm reciting a meme you rube kel_comeback

nimble pebble
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Shut it mr Omlette du Fromage

tribal merlin
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also I don't say "pain au chocolat" I say "chocolatine"

pallid flare
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le fishe

nimble pebble
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Isn't Chocolatine a brand

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Ight just remembring wrong then

rapid topaz
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"You shall not pass" in french is translated "You will not pass" in the movie

tribal merlin
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it's what they call it in the sud-ouest

olive bobcat
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Ton mére es un poisson

tribal merlin
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*ta

olive bobcat
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Yeah I had a low B in the class feelspkman

nimble pebble
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Ta Mére es une Baleine

rapid topaz
ornate beacon
rapid topaz
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Like a wise man said, no pain no sandwich

nimble pebble
ornate beacon
nimble pebble
modest night
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wtf

nimble pebble
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Why hello Sonia

modest night
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what happened here

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hi

ornate beacon
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War.

nimble pebble
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Oh you know, just language stuff

modest night
pallid flare
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fremch

barren roost
rapid topaz
serene patrol
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I hope crowsworn is good hornetdab

nimble pebble
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Better be AluoHasAGun

umbral gazelle
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good evening

silver oak
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gudeeeeeeeevening

umbral gazelle
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crowsworn and silksong are one

barren roost
pallid flare
olive bobcat
nimble pebble
olive bobcat
reef scarab
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remember back in December when we were going nuts

pallid flare
olive bobcat
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What's their name

pallid flare
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this is a bit fucked up

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they aren't part of the server anymore

olive bobcat
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Did it have to do with spare Epic Games nitro by any chance as well

olive bobcat
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Yep, they got hacked

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Basically, if you click it then it spreads to the people in your DMs

pallid flare
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ok dm me

pallid flare
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such a shame, really

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no fake discord link coming :)

modest night
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yeah don't click random links

copper knot
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do i know them?

pallid flare
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mods, am I allowed to dox?

copper knot
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what

undone nova
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no

copper knot
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just dm me who it is

barren roost
pallid flare
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has been for a long time

olive bobcat
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Me deciding which of my emotes to use

barren roost
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oh

pallid flare
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is that spinny mori

olive bobcat
nimble pebble
olive bobcat
pallid flare
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that is not spinny mori

nimble pebble
olive bobcat
pallid flare
copper knot
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OmoSpin 🪟
🪟
🪟

pallid flare
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nooo

copper knot
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pyro is your fav character sunny

pallid flare
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n8

copper knot
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what

pallid flare
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no

copper knot
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thenwho

wet moss
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obama

copper knot
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obama

wet moss
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omori players when they om ori idk never played it

copper knot
nimble pebble
pallid flare
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helltaker is sus

nimble pebble
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Mon Pére pouvoir battre ton Pére

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Anyways about that Silksong

pallid flare
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bring it on

livid compass
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I’m starting at TC next week as a barista intern, wish me luck! teamcherry

tribal merlin
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what a waste of money what they need is a cook

pallid flare
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and someone to keep all those insects at bay

nimble pebble
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If he's an intern it's not a waste of money since he isn't being paid feelspkman

pallid flare
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uhhh

serene chasm
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no advertising

pallid flare
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adss!! >:(

nimble pebble
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No advertising good sir

silent cave
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Anyway thanks since i wanted to join but forgot

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I just wish whenever ss comes out in the game the knight isnt just forgotten but there is some mention of him

pallid flare
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why do we get ridiculed for talking about a game that isn't out yet but they don't?

serene patrol
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Oh shoot i didnt know

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I'll delete it sorry

nimble pebble
tribal schooner
nimble pebble
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I have a feeling it has to do with Silksong being known and not out yet for longer so people meme on it

tribal schooner
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well i mean like. some warrior.... or she could say hero or anything that vaguely implies the knight. and its no requirement but i would like it

nimble pebble
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If it relates to one of hornets memories then it's a possibility

tribal schooner
nimble pebble
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99% of prequelists are prequelists out of spite of sequeliests

pallid flare
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seriously, it's not confirmed to be a sequel

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i'm team sequel don't forget that

nimble pebble
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#teamsequel

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#prequelisdumb

tribal merlin
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#teamsquirrel

nimble pebble
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#teamballow

tropic mica
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Tbh with the current imformation we cannkt say if it is a pre or sequek

nimble pebble
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Sequek

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Despite what some prequlists might tell you all endings can plausibly lead into silksong with that mentioned I am team sequel

pallid flare
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same

tribal schooner
pallid flare
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yeah but the french translation?

nimble pebble
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Why are we arguing over 17th century artillery feelspkman

pallid flare
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why are we even arguing about this, we're all on the same side

nimble pebble
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Also it's not an argument we've already proven that all endings are plausible so it's kind irrelevant at this point

tribal schooner
nimble pebble
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ok

main plover
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i just watched the trailer for the first time

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incredible, this is how you make a trailer

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any hints towards the release date?

tribal schooner
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none

nimble pebble
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None

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Rusty is playing crowcart with Mongoose rodeo if anyone cares

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As in its live

coarse leaf
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I want CrowKart

ocean mulch
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HollowCart

nimble pebble
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If you pledge $20 or more then you get it

pallid flare
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why no paypal support

languid linden
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I want to back Crowsworn but I don't have a credit card

pallid flare
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i just want crow kart, is it too much to ask for beesive

livid oracle
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whats up with the pinned messages

pallid flare
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i'm a simple man with simple wishes

pallid flare
livid oracle
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Oh ok, they are different and like out of order, was wondering if something happened

ocean mulch
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You're right

tribal merlin
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the order in pinned has changed? I'll count that as news feelspkman

ocean mulch
lone hornet
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You know what I don’t enjoy

pallid flare
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what

barren roost
lone hornet
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Your fuking attitude

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Just kidding I realized I was in the wrong channel

barren roost
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what a wacky misunderstanding

chilly nexus
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the riddles were v fun bits of chaos

pallid flare
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i wish that would happen again

barren roost
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yes

chilly nexus
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to anticipate SS in summer 2020 salubra

tribal schooner
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wait! when did leths e3 message get removed from the pins?

pallid flare
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uhh

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at that exact moment

wide sand
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Team cherry been real quiet lately

pallid flare
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they have been for a while now

chilly nexus
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team cherry is living their humble best lives

barren roost
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I mean leth has been pretty active he was in like three interviews
or two
or was it just the one whatever

tribal schooner
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2 interviews in the last few month but not about silksong

chilly nexus
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that's also partly him doing his own pr as a freelancer

tribal schooner
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yeah. is he officially team cherry. he isnt on the website as team cheery like william ari and jack so im not really sure

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he just helps right?

upbeat pulsar
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Is this place still bad

barren roost
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depends

ocean mulch
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Beat me to it

coarse leaf
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Why was it lacking?

modest night
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Idk cant really put my finger on it, the game didnt really keep me interested in the exploration and the combat was somewhat mediocre, but that was mostly because of the bosses

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The ost is not fitting most of the time

coarse leaf
coarse leaf
modest night
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The soundtrack is good but it just doesnt fit with what youre doing in the game

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And no, like the late game bosses 2 shot you, one summons adds and thats pauseshroom

analog forge
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that soundtrack do be slappin do

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like a ballroom track mixed with witchly themes

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enchanting, yet familiar and intrinsic

modest night
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Idk i think youd get it if you played it

fluid orchid
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Sent some cash to crowsworn, and watched crowkart today. The corn memes were the best

modest night
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The last boss is especially disappointing

coarse leaf
analog forge
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I like most music i come across, i find

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There are very few genres i can look at and think "wow, all of this is trash"

coarse leaf
analog forge
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theres even a few dubstep and rap songs i like

coarse leaf
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I mainly listen to electronic and orchestral game and anime OSTs

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But rap is good too, Eminem is great

coarse leaf
fluid orchid
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Me neither, that and silksong will ve worth to play. Meanwhile I'll finish dead cell 3 to 5 bsc, bloodstained, blasphemous and the ori games

barren roost
modest night
coarse leaf
coarse leaf
fluid orchid
coarse leaf
# fluid orchid Same, I need to finish my thesis

For me its work and summer school, still going to highschool but I "failed" class (the teacher graded me on a bunch of work that wasn't even apart of the group I was in, I dont think he liked me that much)

chilly nexus
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there are few things that grind my gears more than bad teachers

coarse leaf
chilly nexus
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I wish you the best and that they do not taint your passion for a subject or desire to learn purebless

timber hamlet
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Silksong is just Shawlow Knight

tropic sentinel
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ok it's that time of the month where i come here and ask it, is there any news about SS?

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like a release date or smth

stark prism
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what am i looking at

cunning geode
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Anyways

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?sspsa

thin zephyrBOT
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Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ. hollowpins

barren roost
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yes

stark prism
barren roost
#

it's a turkey head, then

dim ferry
viscid moat
#

guess whos back

tribal merlin
#

Quirrel? grubomg

barren roost
#

hi oatmeal!
and no, sorry

nimble radish
#

Quirrel will return in Hollow Knight: Jellysong

ocean coral
#

Don Cheedle

viscid moat
#

anything new?

#

any cool theories or something?

tired knot
#

Hornet dating sim

serene chasm
#

Thats an uncool theory

frank socket
#

I wonder if we're get any info on the game during q4 of this year? I have my doubts that it'll be actuallly out this year but would be amazing to get something soon. Like an update during the autumn or something. Maybe I'm being optimistic 🤷‍♂️

languid linden
#

Maybe?

#

It has been 7 and a half months since the last time we got news, but then again they don't really have an obligation to give us any

barren roost
rough kestrel
#

Remember to NOT push developers too hard. If they gonna say that its, for example, releasing in 2024, then we gotta wait for 2024, no excuses

barren roost
#

did anybody complain about lack of news?

viscid moat
rough kestrel
barren roost
#

yeah, see you only have to say that when things start getting toxic

viscid tundra
#

i am not doubting that silksong will come out i am doubting that silksong will get a release date

serene chasm
#

So you are thinking it will be shadowdropped?

barren roost
#

well it's better than unironic silknever, at least

fierce star
#

Silknever people are soo dumb

#

I dont even get the logic

vivid belfry
#

The logic is:
-expected threshold established
-threshold reached without expected occurance happening
-null pointer exception
-complete shutdown of thought processes

haughty brook
#

So...be dumb?

storm shore
#

perhaps

vivid belfry
#

That's a reductive way of looking at it but yes

storm shore
#

I remember when I had theories about this game coming out in 2020

#

I remember when I once said feb 2021 is the latest I would expected it to come out

vivid belfry
#

It's because those assholes at team cherry did too good of a job with their trailer

#

Make the game look worse guys

serene chasm
#

jerks

#

or dont show it at all

storm shore
#

the trailer was a tough decision by TC a hornet DLC was originally promised and if they had waited until like now to anounce that people would have been pissed

serene chasm
#

Should have just been the beginning cutscene and right as Hornet looks up at the camera, cut to the title card

storm shore
#

a non gameplay trailer would have been better for quelling the hype tho

nimble radish
storm shore
#

showing several areas made the game seem closer to completion than it is

cunning geode
#

Because Silksong is huge

storm shore
#

instead they said "hey its a full game" and people still lost their minds anyways, bit of a lose lose situation there

cunning geode
#

What’s wrong with people being excited

serene chasm
#

No Fun Allowed!

vivid belfry
#

Btw I'm sincere in my logic that the trailer looking good is what broke people's brains with respect to release date expectations

#

That's not how first look indie game trailers tend to go

serene chasm
#

It breaks my brain more knowing how good the release trailer was and knowing the final game will look even better

haughty brook
#

I mean, it generated a lot of hype because it was an actual gameplay trailer and not some pre render cinematic piece.

shy kettle
#

Can hornet just walk out of the black egg in sealed siblings?

vivid belfry
#

No I just meant indie trailers tend to look unpolished because of the lack of funding and/or developer experience

#

Neither of those things are true for the SS trailer and people assumed that meant it was further along in development

#

Even though they were starting at a higher baseline than before

shy kettle
#

Cus im confused if she can or not cus i was told that graig said she can but graig is known to shitpost so im unsure

vivid belfry
#

She can't walk out but she can get dragged out

#

It's presumed that the black egg is the only thing keeping her asleep

nimble radish
#

how long can someone be in there though, what if they can't drag her out before passing out themselves

vivid belfry
#

They can use a hookshot feelspkman

#

Know thy enemy as they say

olive bobcat
#

Basil pfp spotted fabasilspin

barren roost
#

is that a good or bad thing

olive bobcat
#

Great thing

umbral steeple
#

wow

barren roost
#

this'll work, right?

olive bobcat
#

That's my boy right there

tawdry palm
#

pizza's here, and what not

olive bobcat
#

I've known about the pizza since January aluoswag

tawdry palm
#

Heh, have you ever checked out the tree behind the grave?

olive bobcat
#

I'm on my third run so probably

viscid tundra
#

i just want to have any idea of when silksong will come out im so hyped

tawdry palm
#

Jesus theres so much hidden in that game, especially in _____ _____ 2

olive bobcat
viscid tundra
#

the ability that brings you to the enemy looks so cool

tawdry palm
#

Lost at sea always kills me, even though its a bitch to reach

viscid tundra
#

and looks like the charm system will be better

olive bobcat
#

Anyways imma stop talking about Omori for now otherwise Joker's gonna kill me

#

This is like the 4th time this week

tawdry palm
#

heeeey its sunday

#

4 times in a week aint bad, you should see my private servers :p

#

Yeah, tools cool and whatnot

viscid tundra
#

my question is will there be shawblades

tawdry palm
#

weve seen them in the trailer

olive bobcat
viscid tundra
#

oh yes

#

the crest thing

#

haha i will be able to finally use shawblades to my advantage

olive bobcat
#

She never had shawblades until now kel_huh

tawdry palm
#

oh my god, theres a track in omori called hanging with the boys

olive bobcat
#

That's good, but I prefer my pizza 90% grease

tawdry palm
#

slippery

olive bobcat
#

Shhh with the spoilers

tawdry palm
#

Theyre only spoilers if you draw attention to them 👀

#

But yeah, was actually gunna mention it was a bit on the nose lol

olive bobcat
tawdry palm
#

🚨

#

theres no bulb emoji lol

viscid tundra
#

i hope i will be able to say git gud at least once in silksong

nimble pebble
barren roost
lapis inlet
coarse leaf
lean veldt
#

Is there any news

serene chasm
#

you know the answer

lean veldt
#

Living in Spain

nimble radish
#

theres always news you just have to know where to look

nimble radish
serene chasm
nimble radish
#

of course

hearty trail
lean veldt
#

I think it might be kinda nice to know what year idk

unkempt wraith
unkempt wraith
#

Maybe the release date is in spain

serene chasm
#

release date is in Brazil

analog pike
#

Life is pain

fleet temple
analog pike
serene chasm
#

in span?

analog pike
#

Yeah what?

nimble pebble
#

We live in Spain without the P

left yacht
#

I prefer Span. It's far cooler, and the tourist sites are way more interesting.

serene chasm
#

we in sain

analog pike
#

We must be getting something soon

dreamy zenith
#

san.. andreas

analog pike
#

We have too

serene chasm
#

Do we though?

analog pike
#

Maybe?

fleet temple
analog pike
#

I get so excited whenever I see moss grotto for some reason

fleet temple
#

i get so excited whenever i see any area from ss

analog pike
#

Yeah that too

analog pike
#

But like the beginning area makes me so hyped

unkempt wraith
#

I love moss

coarse leaf
serene chasm
#

leaf

nimble pebble
#

Leafshroom

analog pike
#

I’m gonna rewatch the gameplay for the 100th time tonight

nimble pebble
#

amazing

coarse leaf
#

pog

analog pike
#

I’m going to kill myself

coarse leaf
#

aw hell na!!

analog pike
#

Nvm

unkempt wraith
#

Leafshoom AND moss??? This might be the best area in the game!!!

serene chasm
#

Moss Grotto vs Clover Fields

unkempt wraith
#

Moss, moss is best thing in existance

coarse leaf
#

I like the funny llama is it in moss grotto too i know nothing about the current silksong info

serene chasm
#

It might be a different area or maybe a sub area. We dont know yet

coarse leaf
#

o ok

haughty brook
#

Also, love the inclusion of the gigantic ribcage in the first image, as it was the same place from the demo but changed, which makes me exited to see the other changes in the art.

serene chasm
#

I really want to know more about those bones

haughty brook
#

I have a theory that the bones belondged to primordial giant beings similar to the wyrms that obviously died out.

torpid fractal
#

big bone come from big creature

#

really revolutionary take

serene chasm
#

I just hope they arent human bones

haughty brook
#

Well, its the only conclusion we can take. Although because the term "bones" is directly said in text in SS it implies that bones themselves as a concept is not wierd or uncommon in the Hollow Knight world. Obviously there were evidence of bones already in the first game but SS just makes it 200% canon that bones are prominent in that world.

nimble pebble
serene chasm
#

Good thing she wasnt human

nimble pebble
#

Bugs have bones in the HK universe

#

Some do anyway

tawdry palm
haughty brook
tawdry palm
#

ive only ever seen it on my little tiny phome, and its so good in fullscreen

nimble pebble
#

Probably some giant bug

serene chasm
nimble pebble
chilly nexus
#

ye TC said in edge that the hud modifications are due to different crests

nimble pebble
#

Well I knew that

#

But I only really noticed with that image right now

serene chasm
#

you need to spend more time staring at screenshots

serene chasm
#

Im gonna make you clockwork orange style

unkempt wraith
#

Fun Fact: i have no reason to believe that silksong still exists

serene chasm
#

Its not that SS doesn't exist. You don't

nimble pebble
#

^

unkempt wraith
#

OH NOOOoooo.......

stone oxide
#

its like schrodingers cat

serene chasm
#

TC took all the money and is using it to back other games

cerulean sable
#

not the best word for it but yall think silksong is gonna have real time diaolgue text

serene chasm
#

no

cerulean sable
#

aight

serene chasm
#

like the game doesnt pause when talking to npc?

cerulean sable
#

yeah like, you can see text popping off the heads off NPCs that talk

#

doesnt have to be that type of implementation

#

but background NPCs, enemy NPCs , etc having smaller dialogue boxes to them

#

right now majority of those that speak is through dream nail or the freeze game dialogue method

serene chasm
#

I dont think background characters will get speech boxes unless hornet is talking to them. We might hear some gibberish talk if they are having a convo with someone else, but we wont know what they are saying

cerulean sable
#

yeah thats what im thinking

haughty brook
#

I think that maybe thats a "alternative" type of dialogue interaction, similar to Sekiro's eavesdropping as it needs player's imput if they want to hear conversations between NPCs, if not, thet can skip it right away to go to gameplay.

cerulean sable
#

inb4 SS is now accused of ripping off Sekiro because of parrying, rosary beads, faster combat, tools/prosthetic, grappling and now a listening mechanic /s /s

serene chasm
#

what if SS has stealth mechanics

haughty brook
#

At the very least the comparison is more apted and not just "Silksong is the Blodborne of Hollow Knight!"

cerulean sable
#

true

haughty brook
cerulean sable
#

id be down for LIGHT stealth mechanics that isnt the main emphasis, more akin to surprise attacks

serene chasm
#

Same tbt

cerulean sable
#

should go full divinity where going stealth makes the player carry a shitty rock/barrel disguise

haughty brook
#

Do you think everyone from the Pale King to his descendants are from the spectrum?

bleak scarab
#

"A barrel..?"
"Hornet in a barrel?!"

cerulean sable
#

define spectrum

#

you mean buzzsaw addiction?

serene chasm
#

when I think stealth mechanics in SS, I think Mark of the Ninja

nimble pebble
#

Buzzsaws were likely a metaphor for PK's growing Paranoia but yeah I get it "haha buzzsaw fetish" is funnier

haughty brook
#

I mean, yeah, the entire family seems to fall to something of the spectrum. I feel that I too have some form of OCD but I never went to a profesional diagnosis because of stigma in my country lol.

#

Silence here...

nimble pebble
#

I have minor OCD

#

Among other things

nimble pebble
#

Sure

serene chasm
#

there is no joke

primal oriole
#

I wouldn't call it a metaphor

#

it seems like something he did intentionally because of his growing paranoia

barren roost
serene chasm
#

can we at least get a riddle and a teaser for the joke?

cerulean sable
#

hold on is it joke time

#

hornet void, silksong never, silksong is a myth

#

what else

serene chasm
#

ttacco is the best mod

cerulean sable
#

i mean thats a given, given that i literally had to find and kill the other 27 applicants for this position

#

wait i dont think im supposed to tell you all that, disregard what i said

barren roost
serene chasm
#

What's he gonna do? Delete me?

primal oriole
serene chasm
#

meme "jokes" dont count

primal oriole
#

you've also got lacenet vs lace bad

naive flax
#

Lace is the hornet of silk song

olive bobcat
naive flax
#

Yes but hornet is the knight of silk song

olive bobcat
serene chasm
#

Lace is the Lace of silksong

barren roost
serene chasm
#

We're proud of you Delta

#

Alright. Time to get to bed for Curly

#

Knight ya'll

pallid flare
#

good morning and good knight curly

barren roost
fiery coral
#

good morning Pyro, goodknight Curly bugelderelderbug goodknight

nimble pebble
#

I'm proud to announce that I finally got the aspid hatchling no hitbox glitch on my own game

#

Anyways uh tools tools tools

#

What a productive SS discussion

untold inlet
#

hello i have returned after a hiatus, anyway does anyone know when tc's website got redesigned?

sand sequoia
untold inlet
#

ah thanks

#

i was in here around late may and i swear it had the old design at that point

#

but my memory could just be failing me

hearty trail
#

is it farloom or pharloom

untold inlet
#

pharloom

hearty trail
#

loom

bleak scarab
#

pharlamb

fiery coral
#

silence of the pharlambs

chrome tapir
#

silknoooooo

dim ferry
#

I find that so crazy like

#

Tc deadass been silent for almost a year on actual news

#

We should get an og crowd funder to bug them again

normal hinge
#

seven nearly

tawdry palm
#

Edge was interviewed a long time before it was released, several months

normal hinge
#

shush

tawdry palm
#

Same with APWOT, so they really haven’t done anything in an age

cerulean sable
#

did they have a gauge of how long?

#

other than several months for edge at least

#

been wondering if the images weve seen werent from a Dec 2020 build then

tribal merlin
#

if they want to give news they will, if they don't they don't

signal crag
manic zenith
#

I might be wrong but I think Leth said those were recent?(at the time riddles were sent)
Like at least one of them(Seth one?) was made in the march 2020

primal oriole
#

I believe he said all of them were made specifically for the riddles at that time except for Seth which was done earlier

signal crag
#

Uh, didn’t know that

tawdry valley
manic zenith
#

well, at least Seth def was recent since ya know, Seth recently posted info about it at reddit

tawdry valley
cerulean sable
#

wondering if he saw an entire boss fight tho

mystic pewter
copper knot
cerulean sable
#

or theyre just tired of constantly getting bombarded with random release date questions and they gotta work on Crowsworn as well

fading tide
#

@cerulean sable oh shit I meant to ask you, is that a reference to a radiohead song

cerulean sable
#

yes

fading tide
#

nice

stark token
#

Any news? zote

fading tide
#

?sspsa

thin zephyrBOT
#

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ. hollowpins

copper knot
#

news: today i woke up and ate japanese food

fading tide
#

so basically no 😦

copper knot
#

this has been the news for today

fading tide
stark token
copper knot
#

Rawr

stark token
#

if the release date appears tomorrow I'm sure I wouldn't believe it

tribal merlin
#

I'm 1 step ahead I already don't believe it'll appear tomorrow feelspkman

fading tide
#

I'm 2 steps ahead I don't think it'll appear feelspkman

signal crag
#

i would like to believe the will drop the release date tomorrow, but i need a good reason to do so

primal oriole
#

20th of July is a nice date

boreal surge
fading tide
#

a very aesthetic date indeed

heady iron
#

Leth's too busy playing crowkart

pallid flare
#

20.7.21 is quite cool

#

but 21.7.21 is better

fleet temple
#

that just made me realise how much i hate saying 20th

dreamy zenith
#

tuh went y ith

fleet temple
#

my mouth is sad

dreamy zenith
#

Turning a smile upsidedown will break all of your mouth muscles and likely jaw

#

don't do that please

mild veldt
#

I BEAT P5

coarse leaf
#

Silksong won't release until the Crowsworn Kickstarter is over

dreamy zenith
#

Nice! Wrong chat, but nice!

coarse leaf
#

Leth is too busy promoting it and helping out Mongoose

#

I would say we'll have silksong news from 20th August to October

fading tide
#

bad comm

proud vale
#

Honestly I don't reckon we'll get news until Christmas

pallid kelp
#

bet that crowsworn 2 will be released before ss

proud vale
#

Hmm look i wouldn't go that far, but I'm not too hopeful about 2021

heavy bluff
#

everytime were guessing dates for silksong release team cherry just makes up a new one because they dont want to give the joy that they guessed the date to anyone

normal hinge
#

real

balmy osprey
#

what are these gifs leth is talking about?

visual isle
#

someone knows why hornet has a diferent voice actor in silksong?

worn phoenix
#

fleapat phlee

olive bobcat
#

I'm pretty sure the voice actor is the same, it's just a diff pitch because age or something idk

worn phoenix
#

sharpe Shorp

olive bobcat
#

This is a baseless guess, but maybe they thought a different pitch would be better when you have to listen to her constantly

prime kraken
#

Man, I wish I could actually play the e3 demo waa

distant karma
prime kraken
#

I would pay to play that demo

worn phoenix
#

hornetdab honet

#

lacerage lasse

copper knot
#

is it weird that i dont really even hear the difference between ss hornet and hk hornet

#

i mean she sounds less loud for sure but thats all

inland ember
#

I want tc to pull a re-logic and say silk song releases in 12-24 hours when they do release

copper knot
#

bruh

errant pulsar
#

i havent been here for months, is there anything new

errant pulsar
#

thats unfortunate

fierce star
pallid flare
#

that's normal in the video game industry

ruby garden
#

Let's make it never

olive bobcat
#

I like that idea

pallid flare
#

that's probably gonna happen tho

#

as the console version might probably not come at launch

fierce star
unborn dome
pallid flare
#

that's what i have been getting at

hasty wren
#

was anything said about ss at pax

pallid flare
#

nope

hasty wren
pallid flare
#

relatable

finite lake
#

silksong news?

pallid flare
#

never

hasty wren
#

Silksong isnt real

pallid flare
olive bobcat
#

laugh track from the 60s

pallid flare
#

:(

unborn dome
finite lake
#

is silksong when hollow knight isn't?

unborn dome
#

yes

finite lake
#

so no silksong?

signal crag
#

btw, i think i can understand a bit why people ask here for news, since....well, pretty much all new info we got since 2019 did come from either the riddles here, or other sources, rather than TC's site itself

pallid flare
#

yeah that's fair

unborn dome
ember geode
#

Honestly the less info I have about silksong the more I’ll have fun about the game

young walrus
#

Does anybody know if SS is gonna have a steelbookdunq

unkempt wraith
#

All i know about silksong is what i could find on youtube, which is the current news, so very little

burnt topaz
#

There are a lot of info in the pins about silksong, though it overlaps a lot with stuff on youtube

unkempt wraith
#

Lets see of i learn anything new

#

Yeah, ive seen pretty much all of it on youtuube

tribal merlin
#

I mean whaddaya really need to know?
They're making a 2nd game in the HK universe, Hornet is the protagonist, there's gonna be tools.
You'll get the answers to a lot of your questions once the game is out and you can play it.
Maybe people think they want to know everything in advance but trust me, they really don't want that.

#

Yeah there's gonna be that one guy who really wants that but mods can always ban him feelspkman

pallid flare
#

mods gonna ban me?

proud vale
#

What’s something productive we could do every time we think of waiting for silksong - maybe one push up?

stark prism
modest night
tranquil igloo
#

Rare footage of a hk mod responding.

fiery coral
#

😱

cerulean sable
#

want to double down on that?

olive bobcat
#

make me mod so i can do funny joke

cunning geode
#

No

nimble pebble
#

nth comes out to say something just to prove this guy wrong

olive bobcat
nimble pebble
rustic sundial
#

i suspect the next time we get news will be in december

#

in 2022

ashen steeple
#

Whensong silk?

rustic sundial
#

the news will be "silksong coming soon guys dw"

pallid flare
rare nymph
#

When will Team Cherry's interview be?

normal hinge
#

12th of august

harsh frost
#

why would anyone count that as news

barren roost
bleak scarab
#

This OBVIOUSLY means silksong and crowsworn are gonna do a crossover

#

crowsover feelspkman

analog forge
#

I could totally see a hollowknight reference in crowsworn

nimble pebble
#

Oh shit the Crow who swore is going to show up in Silksong

barren roost
#

you mean :pain: 🔫

pallid flare
#

bread

tranquil igloo
#

only thing i care about in silksong is the new map and graphics.

#

i got tired of looking at the original graphics and exploring the same damn map over and over again.

#

as long as theres new art and a new map its all i care about.

noble fulcrum
#

yep

tribal merlin
#

turn your monitor 90° and remap keys - BAM new map feelspkman

tranquil igloo
#

No.

#

i wanna see some new graphics not a cursed map

pallid flare
#

ched

tranquil igloo
#

Pog.

coarse leaf
#

:

pallid flare
#

i almost sent a message where i pinged myself about 8 times

#

the beauty of discord mobile

barren roost
tall hinge
tawdry palm
olive bobcat
#

Do you mean the actual area or just the way the map looks

pallid flare
#

he's definitely working on crowsworn

copper knot
#

is leth working on making crowsworn or just the marketting stuff?

pallid flare
#

marketing

copper knot
#

ok

pallid flare
#

I have heard that he can program but I don't think that he does that

tribal merlin
#

being able to program is a whole spectrum

pallid flare
#

it is

tribal merlin
#

like if you can make code for a website doesn't mean you can make drivers for hardware

pallid flare
#

I don't know about this all that much though tamershrug

#

he worked on parts of a game iirc

tribal merlin
#

more modern games have a kind of "content management system"/editor that allows a lot of non-coders to work on the game

tall hinge
#

this is what it says on crowsworn kickstarter page

nimble steppe
#

Leth is such a cool guy

tall hinge
#

shroompog true

pallid flare
#

"They would later gain help of Matthew Griffin, from Yeti Trunk, another developer that has worked with Chucklefish, to help improve the game's multiplayer code." Risk of Rain wikipedia article

shell hare
#

I dreamt that I dreamt we got a new Silksong trailer and at the end of the trailer, it said something about more info on August 1st

#

Imagine if we actually did get some info on August 1st lol

tall hinge
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wait you dreamt that you dreamt or you dreamt once

shell hare
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I dreamt that I dreamt

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Was a dream within the dream

tall hinge
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damn

trim estuary
trim estuary
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No it’s all html

pallid flare
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cs

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i think some JavaScript too

tribal merlin
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the frontend is html the backend isn't

gleaming shuttle
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Are we still holding out for the 2020 holiday sign off?

pallid flare
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you usually can't

ornate beacon
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Wait, there is a place called dartmouth?

normal hinge
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who's fartmouth

pallid flare
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you

normal hinge
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no dum dum

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I'm 🈷️

shell hare
pallid flare
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wkroll roasted wkroll

tranquil igloo
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L roast.

trim estuary
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Yeah you can, hollow knight was coded in HTML

outer frost
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Do you guys think the equivalent of steel soul will have a different name for ss? I kind of hope so just so the different names can be simply linked to one of the games

pallid flare
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silk soul

analog forge
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hollow knight isnt hardware

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its software

trim estuary
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yeah i looked at it in an assembly editor

analog forge
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Hardware is stuff that physically exists.
software is stuff that only exists in code

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also yeah, no way in hell hollow knight was coded in html, a format made for text and websites

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I mean its still code

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Just because its not as complex or indepth as other code doesnt make it not code, smelly >:(

proven token
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woah so much hostility in chat rn

coarse leaf
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Unity is written in c++, c# is mostly used if your actually programming a game tho iirc ( you can also use other programming languages if you find the right librarys or smth )

pallid flare
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it used to support javascrypt too

coarse leaf
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Unreal was the one that mostly uses c++ right?

main plover
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quick question - silksong is its own game and not dlc right?

coarse leaf
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Yes

main plover
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🤠 pog

pallid flare
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france?

tranquil igloo
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so they just take their artwork and just paste it into html and code it??

analog forge
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dont double ping people, please

pallid flare
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you can double ping me anyday

tranquil igloo
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honestly your're the only person who has said that to me

normal hinge
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fym

tranquil igloo
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but alright i won't.

analog forge
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Most people arent willing to call out slight rudenesses.

tranquil igloo
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?

coarse leaf
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rudenesses doesn't seem like a word

tranquil igloo
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Fr

normal hinge
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rudening

tribal merlin
pallid flare
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i don't think that they got the joke

tranquil igloo
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There was no joke.

tribal merlin
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I have "repaired" printers where the defect was that they weren't turned on so I'm careful with interpreting something to be a joke

pallid flare
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if something doesn't work then it's always broken

clever dock
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How about those tools?

tranquil igloo
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i don't know to me it seems like hornet builds her own tech.

chilly nexus
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hornet's gonna invent the internet, and that's how the quest log system gets upgraded from the noticeboards to being kept track of in the menu. In the menu, she's just checking her emails. Just like a normal inbox, you can flag certain quests, delete ones you don't want to complete, or mark a sender as spam if you don't want to receive any more quests from them.

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In silksoul mode, the "internet" upgrade will be available from the get-go, and in its place hornet will develop a crypto-currency for pharloom. The deep dock workers will still be miners, but instead be mining for crypto-coins. This will allow hornet to take a pseudo pacifist route through silksoul mode, convincing traditional enemies that there is a future for themself in crypto mining and holding. The downside of bringing more miners along for the cause, is inflation of course. Hornet's own crypto currency coins (the name of the coin is: "Buzz-Shaw") being worth less and less in the long, forces you to invest in various pharloom stocks and bonds in order to make interest that matches or exceeds the rate of inflation. be warned, though, as every bond you buy will empower the group that you bought the bond from. This decision making and these trade-offs will create a unique silksoul experience

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apologies for my writing, my thoughs were like 2.3x the speed of my fingas

pallid flare
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this is so convoluted, I love it

chilly nexus
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ty sweet cakes for saying "hornet builds her own tech" and inspiring what became this

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I forgot to throw this in there, but as your crypto currency picks up hype, others will try to create their own coins to compete with Buzz-Shaw. It's up to you to either shut them down if they're illegitimate (looking at you, Grindle-Bucks), or promote the creation of a competitive crypto market within pharloom, phasing out the more traditional rosarie beads.

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Additionally, silksoul mode will feature a space program side quest, where hornet can use her crypto (if she's played her cards right and becomes a supremely wealthy bug) to fund the building of a shuttle that will take her to Samus, and allow her (hornet) to play through the events of metroid dread. If this side quest is completed, when playing metroid dread, the switch will check your silksong save data and add hornet to Dread's final boss, where she'll come to samus' aid, allowing samus to dream-blast the boss in the head, and fight the true final boss, the moon from majora's mask

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if you've linked your nintendo account and have a save file of majora's mask on the 3ds, when you next visit romani ranch, romani will attack you for preventing her from finally getting to try romani reserve. how she was transcendantally aware of the majora's mask timeloop, no one knows, but her attacking you will cause your save file to corrupt, so rip your majora's mask save

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if you manage to un-corrupt your save file, the next time you open it, romani will whisper to you the release date of team cherry's next game, which happens to be silksong. You might be wondering: wait? doesn't this all imply silksong was already out? no. this is a complex timeline we're living in

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the end

pallid flare
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beautiful

normal hinge
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big scary walls

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adios

pallid flare
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let's talk about those tectonic plates

chilly nexus
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i wonder if all the people who gorbbrain -ed my first message expected this whole bit to spiral out of it

pallid flare
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i did not

chilly nexus
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i'm hopeful it could be of some mild entertainment value in these trying times

chilly nexus
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lots of good leaks

analog forge
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snort continental drift

coarse leaf
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Boys, it didn't release in june, but we're close

cunning geode
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what does that even mean

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It’s past June now

stiff burrow
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You know the statement of it being finished was taken out of context and this video isn't worth anything right?

coarse leaf
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I have been lied to

cunning geode
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yes you have

pallid flare
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yes lies and deception

coarse leaf
stiff burrow
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Yeah it was a theoretical "if it were done" kind of thing, sorry

coarse leaf
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Yea, no worries