Hey it was a pretty decent amount of news
#sk-discussion
stoic hedge
is there anyway of reading the magazine without paying for it?
torn skiff
The best you'd get would be youtube summaries, yes
languid linden
is there anyway of reading the magazine without paying for it?
Not legal ones, but there are summaries on Youtube and a google doc
nimble pebble
Or someone who bought the magazine and plastered the pictures here
stoic hedge
Thanks
languid linden
np
amber horizon
is silksong planned to have major post launch updates like hollow knight?
nimble pebble
Unknown but unlikely
HK's post launch content updates were to make up for the content they were supposed to shove in the game but couldn't because they ran out of money
amber horizon
ah I see
coarse leaf
Any word of anything at pax? Or is it just no as usual?
barren roost
hype inded
get it because ded
nimble pebble
I just meant I felt hyped for a few minutes because its such a great trailer
barren roost
yes, the trailer is very good
heavy magnet
HK's post launch content updates were to make up for the content they were suppo...
I liked the episodic nature of the DLC updates though, I felt they were good, periodic additions to the world and lore
I hope they still do that for the sake of more lore and world building, if nothing else, even if things like teleporting and bossrush are in at the start
nimble pebble
The episodic use of the content updates was just to fill the void and or gap they created in the first place
vivid belfry
DLC that adds a history class questline with professor Seth
nimble pebble
It's unlikely they would since they'd try to fit everything into the main game this time
nimble pebble
DLC that adds a history class questline with professor Seth
Now this is something I can get Behind
tawdry valley
DLC that raises your device temperature by 1 degree, doing nothing to all platforms and their respective devices but incapacitating OLED Nintendo switch screens indefinitely.
barren roost
hi john
fleet temple
i think that based how tc like to just add stuff that they want to, dlc would all depend on if they have more ideas after the release
nimble pebble
Pretty much
fleet temple
why did you fall?
nimble pebble
fleet temple
that sounds cringe dude
wet moss
glossy gazelle
What did’th I return’th to?
barren roost
What did’th I return’th to?
wai, this cruel channel, why does 'che persist?
left yacht
Then Silksong shall be canceled.
serene chasm
no rp. mods please ban
dreamy zenith
Rock paper scissors
barren roost
yes
serene chasm
Rock paper scissors
🤜
brisk shale
Will there be updates like in hollow knight with the grimm troupe and stuff like that
serene chasm
gg
marsh ibex
Will there be updates like in hollow knight with the grimm troupe and stuff like...
Unknown
serene chasm
I can see them doing one to fix some issues that come up after the game releases. Like a lifeblood style one
olive bobcat
Will there be updates like in hollow knight with the grimm troupe and stuff like...
Yeah but only Grimm again (fake)
serene chasm
Oh no. The grimm pfp's are coming
barren roost
Yeah but only Grimm again (fake)
do I recognize this?
olive bobcat
idk
serene chasm
Needs more red
serene chasm
gotta milk dem fakes
barren roost
indeed you do
olive bobcat
Indeed I do
barren roost
no you can't
loud owl
Where i can get silksong news?
serene chasm
?sspsa
thin zephyrBOT
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loud owl
Thanks
serene chasm
np
barren roost
yes
pale ocean
Im gonna be dead before this game comes out
dreamy zenith
Hm
nimble radish
that is your personal problem
pale ocean
that is your personal problem
indeed
serene chasm
dibs on your copy of SS
pale ocean
dibs on your copy of SS
Perhaps
nimble radish
he called dibs you have to now
pale ocean
ik it looks awesome
serene chasm
ss confirmed to be an exclusive for it (fake)
pale ocean
its really customizable
serene chasm
I am excited for it, though I have no plans to buy it
pale ocean
you can completely wipe the os and put basic windows on there
pale ocean
and use other game launchers like epic and xbox
serene chasm
It for sure in an interesting product. Doubt it will eat into switch sales, but it should be great for the people for whom its use-case is good for
serene chasm
I wouldnt get one to get into pc gaming anyways. Its more for people who already have a pc at home and want to have something to play games on the go
barren roost
Valve made another thing that isn't Portal 3?
add that to the pile
lapis inlet
the Steam Deck's button layout looks seriously uncomfortable but i like the addition of track pads and analog sticks in tandem
pale ocean
reviews said its something to adjust to but is quite comfortable
wet moss
Where is the keyboard
serene chasm
touchpad
wet moss
Hell na
pale ocean
Touch pad and touch screen
wet moss
Literally me
wet moss
The laggy drifting console will never have competition
pale ocean
this is still aimed towards pc users
wet moss
Thing can’t even run Minecraft dungeons that well
lapis inlet
the Steam Deck will not at all be competition to the Switch, although it may do pretty well
pale ocean
i want one
nimble pebble
it's literally just portable steam
Which is cool but just a glorified switch that is Really expensive
wet moss
Just use a laptop 
nimble pebble
^
serene chasm
Laptops are really expensive.
lapis inlet
and also not as easily portable as the Steam Deck looks, even if laptops are designed to be carried around
wet moss
True but you can get one that can run tf2 for under 500 
barren roost
Laptops are really expensive.
yes
wet moss
Anyways, pimpillo discussion?
serene chasm
they go boom
wet moss
Yes
Ape brain approves
nimble pebble
indeed
cunning geode
Every time I see “pimpillo” I pronounce it “pimp-ee-yo” in my head
even though it prolly isn’t pronounced like a Spanish word 
proud vale
Star wars holiday special?
ornate fiber
Which is cool but just a glorified switch that is Really expensive
it's like quadruple the performance of the switch for 100$ more
it can actually run AAA games above 360p , switch can't run hollow knight above 720p even while docked , and the fps in newer games drop to single digit
grim forge
barren roost
Delta……………………………
yep
tardy orbit
Bruh why can I not search for leth’s messages 
serene chasm
Leth got banned
serene chasm
pro tip. Remove the space after user:
serene chasm
Lets read into it
proud vale
Some say he never returned from making breakfast
barren roost
Leth got banned
oh
proud vale
The current Leth is an imposter, heavy sus
proud vale
The saddest of flashbacks
barren roost
actually it was a very happy day
proud vale
Yeah?
barren roost
I had semi-ish won my bet!
serene chasm
was it worth it
barren roost
no- I won nothing
it was like playing russian roulette and you survive all the rounds and then they tell you there was nothing stopping you from just putting the gun down
serene chasm
You guys have souls?
barren roost
rest in peace dante mii
proud vale
Also Geno lol
brittle raven
doesnt silksong have to be a prequel?
fiery coral
because of Sealed Siblings?
well TC wrote in a plot point which seems to exist only as a workaround to that specific ending: the seal-breaking bugs
ocean coral
My favorite kind of bug
brittle raven
because of Sealed Siblings?
yea, they have already stated all endings are canonical
fiery coral
also you've probably heard this tons of times before, but TC believes all endings to be canon, so...yeah
brittle raven
well TC wrote in a plot point which seems to exist only as a workaround to that ...
seal breaking bugs?
fiery coral
have you seen the trailer or do you intend to go into the game blind
announcement trailer, that is
earliest one
brittle raven
ive seen the trailer but thats all
proud vale
The little flying bugs that Lace can conduct
fiery coral
yeah so remember those white butterfly thingies that do some fiddling around before Hornet is released from her cage/palanquin
brittle raven
yeah so remember those white butterfly thingies that do some fiddling around bef...
yea...
fiery coral
those
their very existence proves that the Black Egg can be opened from outside without having to kill any Dreamers
proud vale
We can only assume that those bugs can break the seal, or be used as a vector to apply a seal breaking effect
brittle raven
their very existence proves that the Black Egg can be opened from outside withou...
how does that effect anything?
serene chasm
Also Hornet gets knocks out thus her seal wouldnt be very strong
fiery coral
how does that effect anything?
because the cage itself had a seal around it if I'm remembering correctly
brittle raven
yea, but that doesnt explain how hornet is alive
fiery coral
and if those little pale bugs can break that, the Black Egg 🦭s shouldn't be a problem
well she was weakened
brittle raven
or out of the black egg i guess
fiery coral
not killed outright
I know that's kinda a technicality and seems surprising considering the overall tone and feel of the Sealed Siblings ending, but
well
brittle raven
true, but i hope if that is the case there is some kind of backstory as to why she was taken
proud vale
I can't wait to fill all the holes of lore and to find all the hidden secrets of this gameee
serene chasm
Its gonna be like those videos of someone plugging a hole and a new leak popping up somewhere else
proud vale
Hahah yeah like a bad lore plumbing system
undone nova
I think that we will see more 'pseudo-bugs' like grimm in silksong
barren roost
I can't wait to fill all the holes of lore and to find all the hidden secrets of...
oh god when people say this my hype starts building for two days and then crashes
undone nova
a lot more than the base-game, might make people a bit confused on theming
reef scarab
I’m gonna not understand what’s going on and run to mossbag for a one hour video
ocean coral
thats the proper way to plau
reef scarab
I’m convinced that team cherry doesn’t know what the heck they’re writing and makes whatever mossbag says canon
ocean coral
No
barren roost
I’m gonna not understand what’s going on and run to mossbag for a one hour video
oh, hi bucket!
or are you a different bucket?
barren roost
okay you were there that time
astral rain
I’m convinced that team cherry doesn’t know what the heck they’re writing and ma...
probably
sacred stratus
mossbag is just gorb in disguise and since gorb knows everything he also knows the story of SS
coarse leaf
I would like a white palace / path of pain like ! It will be amazing and hard as hell
signal crag
As long the game properly prepares the player for a such a jump in platforming difficulty, then yeah, sure
cerulean sable
wheres ari's counter rebuttal a year later
where he said "wrong, hollow knight is ALL lore"
cerulean sable
feels bad man
but understandable
imagine glorifying something like QS and that shits already broken
cerulean sable
honestly thinking about it i dont really mind them itching to just go through Silksong at that point
cunning geode
nah charms are fine as is
cerulean sable
and afaik time is also the reason we dont have an armored PV boss fight
cunning geode
still sick for the Pure Vessel to just flex its armor off like that
cerulean sable
ehh disagree, i think the cost size of the overall charm system led to a lot of balance disparity
cunning geode
well I mean it’s fine being unbalanced since the game is single player
Not like it’s unfair for anyone
cerulean sable
thats not to say it couldve been better
cunning geode
obviously I wish all the charms were balanced but there’s no rush to fix them
worldly adder
o
fiery coral
Twombats 
cunning geode
Tomb Bats
dry valley
hornet
signal crag
Even worse, usually the most boring ones are by far the most powerful ones
tawdry valley
I kinda liked the whole power/notch cost deal.
But a focus on charm synergies like how they’re (seemingly) doing with SS tools isn’t unwelcome either
cerulean sable
i didnt say i hated the idea
just that the cost shouldve been stretched more
like you end up with 20+ notches
so stuff like quick slash and dream shield wouldnt be both competing as a 3 notch charm
QS could be like, 7-8 notches and DS would be around 5-ish instead
again these dont really reflect the best way of how much they should be cost, but the idea is there
mossy basin
Hiii,know u something new about ss?
thin zephyrBOT
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subtle ridge
I feel like people too often trend towards larger numbers for things, but I think smaller numbers are more elegant. I like how each single charm notch feels really relevant
cerulean sable
thats also true
the numbers make each single point even way more valuable
but on the downside for me, it ended up as it is with the main game
then again maybe they shouldve bumped up those charms by 1 extra notch, i cant say
signal crag
like fragile strength?
the thing, the effect it gives it's just so good that i'm not too sure making it cost 4 notches would have really solved the issue
surely it would make it hard to use in the early game, since your total number of notches is still limited....which is also the point in the game where you shouldn't really equip it in the first place, since it's a % increase in damage.
analog forge
at that point it'd almost have the opposite effect
limiting builds by making it so you only have room for 2 charms that you need to equip anyhow
waxen vine
Definitely hard to balance making upgrades feel meaningful (each notch feels rewarding) vs having enough notches that build diversity exists.
tribal merlin
with those charms the problem is to map very abstract concepts to integers in a meaningful way. it's not even clear that could be done with their charm system so there's bound to be balancing struggles
unique gazelle
tribal merlin
it's probably an imposter
or if you're wondering why you can't DM him that's because he has disabled DMs from strangers
trim isle
haughty ingot
i wonder if wilbo still lurks
from that time where he 😐 ed someone
back in april
proud vale
probably
fluid jetty
I feel so slow. Who supported Crowsworn?
copper knot
me
fluid jetty
I just find out that it actually started, even tho I turned on notifications.
nimble pebble
I might support it if I can find a spare $20 somewhere
fluid jetty
I sent only 5 canadian. I just can't give more. I don't think they would need around 400 russian rubles.
nimble pebble
Fair enough
I live here so it's my currency
I'm still broke though so if I do pledge it'll only be $20
My friend said he might buy 'The Vulture" pack
fluid jetty
I wish I was born in different country.
pallid flare
you can always move tho?
copper knot
moving out is expensive tho
pallid flare
i know it's not that simple but if you're somewhat well off then you can skeedadle
copper knot
i wish i can move out to a better country than where i am
legit feel unsafe in my country sometimes :/
fluid jetty
No. It's too expansive for me or anyone in Russia, who isn't luck percent. If I had a chance I would do everything to get there. Only thing that I could actually do and did is studied English.
copper knot
i asked mongoose rodeo if its CrowSworn or CrowsWorn and its apparently crow sworn lol
fluid jetty
What's so funny?
copper knot
lol
fluid jetty
Sounds kinda cool/
nimble pebble
i asked mongoose rodeo if its CrowSworn or CrowsWorn and its apparently crow swo...
Did you not know it's Crow Sworn?
tribal merlin
people still can't spell ClownSworn correctly smh
copper knot
cowsworn
copper knot
i legit didnt know tho
nimble pebble
It's fine
copper knot
so i asked and i didnt expect them to asnwer
nimble pebble
Your question was valid
You questioned the state of the word since you were not sure
Others however would have just said Crows Worn with utter confidence and it's despicable
Anyways, Silksong
pallid flare
srownsworn
nimble pebble
Brosworn
pallid flare
the bros have sworn
spare elbow
Crows orn
pallid flare
crows wore what?
tribal merlin
feathers... and hats? 
stoic hedge
Has the silksong demo from 2019 been leaked? Is there any way to play it?
manic zenith
no
tribal merlin
no
it was just a build installed on some PCs standing there
and expecting leaks with a team of 3 developers... 
pallid flare
there's like two people that have access to silksong
stoic hedge
@tribal merlin not expected but still welcome.
viral pivot
there's like two people that have access to silksong
what about playtesters?
serene chasm
It's what TC named the office plant
pallid flare
like the only tf2 dev?
nimble pebble
Jack vine is a TC member hired on during the creation of the DLCs to help out, and has also been working on Silksong with WIllbo and Ari
And playtesters do have access to the current dev build but likely are under NDA
pallid flare
||pillow, it's a running joke that jack vine just doesn't exist because he gets forgotten so often||
coarse leaf
Jack attack
short wagon
Can I see SS on sale by next year
vivid belfry
Sure
short wagon
Haven't heard from ss in a long time
fallow apex
Me nighter but we must wait for shawsong
vivid belfry
There are other good games coming out so fast I can't play them all
fallow apex
A good game to play while you wait is TBoI since it has more content than i have life
short wagon
I want to see new information about ss now
fallow apex
Than go to the future gaemer
pallid flare
what's Tbol
digital junco
you
fallow apex
what's Tbol
The binding of isaac
young walrus
That game always made me feel depressed
serene jewel
Super meat Boy is also.good as it takes a while to get it's hard achoevents
But it's old so end is nigh is better
rancid crow
guys i think i know when ss will launch
pallid flare
never, haha, right???
vivid belfry
The end is nigh is so fuckin tight
rancid crow
first leth said ss will defitenly launch before silksong
and he says too: crowsworn is in the very beggining
vivid belfry
I don't think ss WILL launch before silksong, actually
rancid crow
before crowsworn*
the crowsworn devs said that the date is about december 2023 but probably will launch before that
vivid belfry
Yeah, I think people unironically saying 2025 are just overcorrecting their disappointment aversion after 2 years of coming soon
rancid crow
yeah but at least silksong will not launch in 2024+
rancid crow
and if silksong is much more advanced i think it launches between january-2022 jaunary-2023
nimble pebble
This is highly plausible
rancid crow
and leth 6 months ago said they were into bug fixes and testing the game
fallow apex
So probably pretty far
rancid crow
not this year i think though
pallid flare
and leth 6 months ago said they were into bug fixes and testing the game
is this the quote again
vivid belfry
and leth 6 months ago said they were into bug fixes and testing the game
Was this actually said or is this part of the hypothetical that keeps getting misquoted
olive bobcat
Play Omori 
pallid flare
vivid belfry
Alu wit da professional derail
serene jewel
omori is just story.. just watch game theory
olive bobcat
So you didn't play Omori then
fallow apex
Play Omori <:doughie:826716481731297331><:biscuit:826716481270054934>
Play the isaac if isaac reisaac
pallid flare
watching game theory isn't a good way to experience a game
serene jewel
It is basically undertale but dark souls and drawn up style
serene jewel
Technically it does
vivid belfry
List of good games you can play while waiting for silksong:
-OMORI
-The binding of isaac: repentance
-Subnautica/BZ
-nier replicant
-Elmo's letter adventure (N64)
All other games are fucking trash
serene jewel
But fine ok
pallid flare
stardew valley is good too
marsh ibex
Stop derailing into OMORI for fuck’s sake
especially when there was ALREADY an ON TOPIC CONVO PRIOR
vivid belfry
This is now an Elmo's Letter Adventure chat
Anyway silksong release discussions get closer every day to disappearing from this world
wheat crescent
watching game theory isn't a good way to experience a game
Wtf
olive bobcat
especially when there was ALREADY an ON TOPIC CONVO PRIOR
To be fair the topic was heading towards other games to play
marsh ibex
To be fair the topic was heading towards other games to play
No it wasn’t
nimble pebble
It was
serene jewel
The topic was just dates anyways madam
hollow walrus
you could forget that ss exists and wait for Crowsworn to release
marsh ibex
I’m a dude
pallid flare
i mean, you just went all in with the omori, aluo
nimble pebble
The topic was literally Crowsworn and Silksong then other games to play while you wait for SS to come out then for 5 seconds release dates
olive bobcat
i mean, you just went all in with the omori, aluo
Gotta convince 
hollow walrus
or you could just eat beans
nimble pebble
you could forget that ss exists and wait for Crowsworn to release
At least it has a Projected release date
hollow walrus
lol
loud owl
I don't mind waiting for silkgsong but i would like receiveing team cherry news about the game like "Hey we still working on it"
pallid flare
didn't they comment on the crowsworn kickstarter a few days ago?
olive bobcat
Yep
normal hinge
I don't mind waiting for silkgsong but i would like receiveing team cherry news ...
they're still working on it
marsh ibex
I don't mind waiting for silkgsong but i would like receiveing team cherry news ...
They commented on a kickstarter recently, Leth and Graig pop in sometimes to say that, and Graig disavowed the idea of said updates as they are basically pointless and can already be assumed
pallid flare
team cherry just stopped working on silksong because fuck you
olive bobcat
I don't mind waiting for silkgsong but i would like receiveing team cherry news ...
It's not news if we already know it
normal hinge
fortnite 😍
vivid belfry
Team cherry died 2 years ago and nobody noticed because we assumed they locked themselves in their office for that long to work on silksong 😢
cerulean sable
"can we get a little bit of news"
TC when they give news
"OMG OMG HUGE FANS BTW ANYWAY CAN YOu AT LEAST GIVE US A TIMEFRAME OF WHEN YOU EXPECT TO FINISH THE GAME IM JUST FAN OF IT AND IL OVE IT SO MUCH PLEASE"
opposite would be "no timeframes? probably going through developement issues and thats not a good sign"
at this point better to just shut up
and just release shit when theres actually shit thats worth saying
and yes i too would be invested if they released details about their new 4k moss physics powered by Nvidia Mossworks
on the other spectrum, i was legit getting tired of seeing "Cyberpunk will have x" or wtv popping out almost every week in /r/games before it was released
vivid belfry
Raytracing but they purposefully desync the reflections
cerulean sable
lets goooooo\
copper knot
Play Omori <:doughie:826716481731297331><:biscuit:826716481270054934>
i did yestrfdayda
haughty brook
I'm super hyped for some great art and some great enviromental details because I'm a sucker of them.
copper knot
last night i cant sleep because i kept thinkin bout 'mori
vivid belfry
I hope we get more unique hornet foot movement sounds like the bone bridge crunching and metal clanging
pallid flare
2 mods are in here, talking about omori might be risky rn
cerulean sable
wheres my fucking slash sounds
vivid belfry
THAT'S RIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS IT'S HORNET FOOT MOVEMENT NOISE DISCUSSION PART 2
cerulean sable
i want 20+ different sound effects for every different materials you slash
haughty brook
THAT'S RIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS IT'S HORNET FOOT MOVEMENT NOISE DISCUSSION PART 2
Jokes aside, I really apreaciated the sound design in HK and its something that its not nearly talked about.
olive bobcat
Secret boss with a den made of enemy bodies
cerulean sable
its something a lot of people take for granted
vivid belfry
The only part of silksong's sound design that I don't think is an objective improvement is the slashing sfx
olive bobcat
Like Nosk but more intense
pallid flare
sound design is like 50% of the experience imo
cerulean sable
isnt the slash just the same from the first game
pallid flare
perhaps even more
vivid belfry
The wet crunch of infected enemies spilling blood is top tier
The cloth tearing SFX is also good but infection damage noise hits different
haughty brook
its something a lot of people take for granted
Its something that I appreciate in games because it can even help you in a gameplay sense, an example of this is the old Thief trilogy.
cerulean sable
highlight for me is the moss wall getting destroyed, it was super crunchy
vivid belfry
Binding, skills, throwing straight pins, and ESPECIALLY rosary and shell shard collection sounds are big ups though
sacred stratus
everybody gangsta till the moss you walk on isn't crunchy
boreal kettle
silksong is going to be more combat-based
f u n
cerulean sable
Its something that I appreciate in games because it can even help you in a gamep...
its underappreciated most of the time ive seen, usually its the last thing i see mentioned
like in Battle Brothers, the combat isnt particularly visually fancy but the fact that they accounted for different weapons (from blunts like maces to swords and machetes + stabbing pikes/halberds etc) to have different sounds depending on what material theyre striking (from monster flesh, to cloth, chainmail, leather, metal armor etc) makes it satisfying to see a bunch of weird rubber duck heads dying
sacred stratus
silksong is going to be more combat-based
f u n
like it should be bcs Hornet probably ain't gonna have the same vertical movement as the knight
cerulean sable
Binding, skills, throwing straight pins, and ESPECIALLY rosary and shell shard c...
yeah the rest i like, but slash feels like its lackluster especially comparing it to Crowsworn (barring the slightly over the top screen shake)
that said False Knight armor imo still has the best SFX slash hit in the entire game
vivid belfry
I think it does make sense to make it slightly less impactful since hornet has a default faster attack rate
Like I don't play nuclear throne at max screen shake because shit like the triple machinegun is TOO impactful
languid linden
She does?
cerulean sable
yeah yeah, that said i was hoping it would feel, "sharper" or "slicier"? when going against non chittin/armored enemies
vivid belfry
Yeah hornet's swing rate at the beginning of the game is between normal knight and quickslash
I think if they made the fabric ripping sfx crunchier it would be more than enough
haughty brook
yeah yeah, that said i was hoping it would feel, "sharper" or "slicier"? when go...
I mean, it could change in release date.
cerulean sable
right now it its more on a thwumpier side for me, feels more like wacking them with a blunt weapon
cerulean sable
I mean, it could change in release date.
yeah yeah i dont really put much weight on the demo considering its old af
but its one of the things im REALLY hoping changes at the final game
boreal kettle
perhaps a sound like silk being plucked when you kill enemies?
cerulean sable
i just want my flesh being chopped cleanly sound
vivid belfry
I'm sure Larkin is gonna pull through on the most commonly heard noise in the game
storm whale
Hey y’all. Cozy server 🙏
cerulean sable
hello
boreal kettle
I'm sure Larkin is gonna pull through on the most commonly heard noise in the ga...
you mean the sound when taking damage?
vivid belfry
No the sound when dealing damage
boreal kettle
it was a joke
cerulean sable
seriously Battle Brother's SFX sound so crisp
vivid belfry
That's it
I'm putting you on ice
haughty brook
seriously Battle Brother's SFX sound so crisp
What's your favourite sound from SS demo?
cerulean sable
Moss False wall being destroyed
cerulean sable
more examples, now im not saying Hornet should fucking chop people like this because its more like brute force sound effects but ya get me when i say its sounds fleshy
this is when you hit someone with a 2handed axe
bells are also good
vivid belfry
Rosary collection sound
glossy gazelle
I mean the art changed from trailer to demo so I’m guessing minor changes will continue to keep happening
cerulean sable
yeah yeah
boreal kettle
also isn't SS potentially going to have a dialogue tree for hornet
haughty brook
also isn't SS potentially going to have a dialogue tree for hornet
I highly doubt its going to have something like a CRPG dialogue system.
cerulean sable
last one i swear but finally found the normal sharp weapon slash sfx
probably
probably not
boreal kettle
I highly doubt its going to have something like a CRPG dialogue system.
but I mean...
how does it make sense that hornet is now silent
cerulean sable
i feel like its gonna be more or less just gonna be questions but tailored to hornet's personality
manic zenith
eh, such sfx doesnt really fit HK imo
cerulean sable
yeah yeah it doesnt
but im just saying that i was hoping hornet's slash were a bit "sharper" because imo right now it feels like blunt thwumping
i dont find it bad
vivid belfry
but I mean...
how does it make sense that hornet is now silent
She's not silent, she just has predetermined responses
haughty brook
but I mean...
how does it make sense that hornet is now silent
She ain't silient, is just that the dialogue will have extra favlour from Hornet as she can voice her own opinions on stuff on her own but don't expect something like the Witcher 3 in terms on decision making because is not TC style.
analog forge
I doubt we'll have a dialouge tree. It doesnt seem in style for hollowknight to have big branches of dialouge.
cerulean sable
its either gonna change on the final game or its probably not that bad when im actually in game
manic zenith
Im quite content with needle slash sfx so whatever for me Ig
vivid belfry
Oh the current needle sfx isnt BAD, it's just not as amazing as HK nail hit sfx
manic zenith
but I mean...
how does it make sense that hornet is now silent
you havent seen the demo arent you?
cerulean sable
yeah same, like its not the end of the world if they dont change it
and granted afaik the slash sfx when hitting armored enemies like the bone husk spider guys was pretty crispy
vivid belfry
4/10 not enough crunchy sfx
Fuck the music guy
cerulean sable
but for the regular folks it feels like its missing something for me
glossy gazelle
I’m more interested in the music and ambiance than sfx imo
boreal kettle
you havent seen the demo arent you?
I haven't played it myself
cerulean sable
now the biggest brain move is to simply amp up screen shake by 4x for maximum impact /s
manic zenith
I haven't played it myself
99% of people here havent played it
vivid belfry
4x screen shake, maximum freeze frames
analog forge
if vlambeer devolped silksong
manic zenith
when you hit an enemy just hit a wall with a sword in real life
or, not wall, ya know
haughty brook
I haven't played it myself
You can watch the demo in youtube, but I reccomend to do the english demo of SS rather than other languages becuase the dialogue or textboxes weren't translated for the demo.
marsh ibex
bro
cerulean sable
im playing OW (yes yes i know dont hate on me) and one thing i like about Brigette is that hitting hard objects would freeze your attack animations by like a quarter of a second
i remember some Skyrim mods that do animation freezing + time hitstopping to make it really impactful but afaik i had to stop using the hitstop mod because it was starting to nauseate me (even at the lowest setting)
marsh ibex
imagine
analog forge
ror2 i think does something like that too
it does something at least to make things feel chunky
vivid belfry
Boss staggers and deaths still have freeze frames at least, which imo is the best part of the game to put them in
cerulean sable
Boss staggers and deaths still have freeze frames at least, which imo is the bes...
best part, i dont have to rely on them too hard when i accidental slash them and get them off stagger
pallid flare
imagine what??
vivid belfry
Imagine an egg, now crack it into a bowl
cerulean sable
it does *something* at least to make things feel chunky
i think Vermintide 2 also implements it in a way
pallid flare
Imagine an egg, now crack it into a bowl
ok, now what?
vivid belfry
So what's in the bowl?
pallid flare
an egg?
manic zenith
ok, now what?
Lemm eat this egg
analog forge
a cracked egg, obviously
vivid belfry
Isn't that fucked up?
pallid flare
i guess it is?
analog forge
you're fucked up, dummy
pallid flare
i'm not sure where you're going with this
boreal kettle
wh
vivid belfry
We're already there
manic zenith
always have been
cerulean sable
in the end, all im asking for is a unique mechanic where theres a chance an enemy doesnt die, and instead puts a bright and colorful "HOLD X" on top of them which makes hornet do a special animation like say, throwing the enemy midair then catching them with the needle (which also causes hornet to get free heals and ammo)/s
fiery coral
like that bit in the Elden Ring trailer
manic zenith
in the end, all im asking for is a unique mechanic where theres a chance an enem...
blasphemous moment
fiery coral
throws the enemy up in the air with one arm like he was nothing
vivid belfry
in the end, all im asking for is a unique mechanic where theres a chance an enem...
Glory kills aren't chance based
fiery coral
then impales him
cerulean sable
they arent?
pallid flare
that would be pretty annoying for speedrunners
boreal kettle
oh yeah definitely
vivid belfry
No, they're 100% consistent if you riposte correctly or interrupt an attack with a heavy attack
cerulean sable
blasphemous moment
best one is those spear/trident candle guys cuz you start stabbing them with their own spear
cerulean sable
that would be pretty annoying for speedrunners
THK parry moment
vivid belfry
You can get a glory kill off basically every enemy in the game if you're well practiced, which is FUCKED with cloistered sapphire
boreal kettle
in the end, all im asking for is a unique mechanic where theres a chance an enem...
hornet doesn't seem to be someone who enjoys unnecessarily brutal murder
cerulean sable
hornet doesn't seem to be someone who enjoys unnecessarily brutal murder
yeah but dont pretend you wouldnt enjoy when the game suddenly shifts into 1st person just to show hornet repeatedly punching Sharpe in the face before throwing him across the screen
manic zenith
yeah but dont pretend you wouldnt enjoy when the game suddenly shifts into 1st p...
Doom moment
haughty brook
Doom moment
More like God of War 3 moment?
boreal kettle
...that would be jarring
And first person in SS would be a crime against humanity
vivid belfry
First person SS and hornet's forearms are jacked to fuck
boreal kettle
nonono
cerulean sable
should the 1st person glory kills be hand drawn, or should TC just say fuck it and render it all in 3D
tawdry palm
hornet suplexes lace
boreal kettle
hand drawn
manic zenith
should the 1st person glory kills be hand drawn, or should TC just say fuck it a...
live action glory kills
tawdry palm
your a stupid idea
coarse leaf
i prefer emotionless and merciless mass murder over glory kills
boreal kettle
Glory kills is a stupid idea
agreed
But hand-drawn is the lesser of two evils
cerulean sable
live action glory kills
oh god i can imagine wilbo wearing seperate shoddily made costumes of every enemy in the game with his eyes still visible through the badly made helmet
manic zenith
i prefer emotionless and merciless mass murder over glory kills
"in the game, right?"
coarse leaf
maybe
cerulean sable
ttacco you should be ashamed
you know its something we would all enjoy dont lie to yourself
manic zenith
oh god i can imagine wilbo wearing seperate shoddily made costumes of every enem...
Wilbo and Ari playing all enemies and Hornet, suplexing each other and sometimes Jack
vivid belfry
Glory kills work well with blasphemous combat but I don't think they would fit HK style super snappy swordplay
vivid belfry
Yeah I knew you were joking from the beginning ttaco dw
manic zenith
Taco moment
vivid belfry
Still this is a discussion topic
nimble pebble
Time to dye my hair to be grayish and give a mediocre smile
manic zenith
instead of Hornet having glory kills lets bosses having glory riposts like this Lace's one where she fucking anime punches us to the death with her pin
boreal kettle
the most I'm willing to accept for a glory kill is a stab animation that lasts like 1 seconr
boreal kettle
instead of Hornet having glory kills lets bosses having glory riposts like this ...
moss mother swells up before releasing a machinegun barrage
proud vale
There's some semblance of joy
cerulean sable
ngl i sometimes imagine how it would look like if Hornet had more Witcher style animations, ie doing spinning when slashing (and i dont mean the Quen spam)
marsh ibex
you know its something we would all enjoy dont lie to yourself
I wouldn’t
Now if it was a qte
nimble pebble
Lace 2 is nothing but Riposte's
cerulean sable
Tap X to repeatedly slap Sherma
lowkey what if they did something with the parrys in the game
manic zenith
Tap S to inject lifeblood drugs
proud vale
Lol love centipede
cerulean sable
best you can get is her doing a parry stance before lunging forward
proud vale
yeah best you can get is a smash-bros-like counter and hope they hit you and trigger it
cerulean sable
i wonder if controls will dictate of your movement after a parry
young walrus
Daddy?
proud vale
mm I think we're all quite interested to see how crests scale
cerulean sable
a bit weird ok
pallid flare
i have seen weirder
nimble pebble
mm I think we're all quite interested to see how crests scale
Indeed
cerulean sable
yeah one thing im looking forward is how Crests scaling works|
do they scale?
or are they tiered?
like do the early crests eventually becomes outdated in favor for stronger ones, or do the stronger ones come with major drawbacks etc
vivid belfry
Join the cult of upgradeable crests
proud vale
I hope they just auto scale honestly, I don't wanna have to worry about the micro-management on that one
young walrus
But Zaddy Will
cerulean sable
Upgrading your Crest requires the Crest Blacksmith DLC available on Hollow Knight™️: Silksoul Edition™️ Preorder Bonuses
copper knot
cerulean sable
if theyre gonna make crest scale i hope they make ALL of them scale together
vivid belfry
Ttaco I agree with you but i also have an alternative solution
boreal kettle
idea:
All crests upgrade based on the number of them you have
progression + choice
there could be "bonus" crests that don't count towards the total number
nimble pebble
Join the cult of upgradeable crests
cerulean sable
one thing i really like in HK is that im not defined by a single build because i invested in that skill tree/upgrades as it was in other games
wanted to do a spell build? just fucking unequip everything and equip soul charms, no need to respec or some shit
you can basically prepare for wtv at any time
go on im listening
boreal kettle
hopefully we don't end up with everything being outclassed by the same 4 crests
cerulean sable
Ttaco I agree with you but i also have an alternative solution
i am waiting grover
i will destroy half of antartica if you do not reply within 10 minutes
marsh ibex
your mother
cerulean sable
ok buddy
boreal kettle
my idea is that every crest upgrades everything
boreal kettle
maybe certain crests don't
cerulean sable
im not your buddy, buddy
marsh ibex
pallid flare
grover just ditched us
analog forge
upgradable crests is smelly and groverlyn is smelly for thinking it
pallid flare
you're cringe
shy kettle
5 minutes we lose half of antartica
pallid flare
grover please, there is a lot at stake
languid linden
5 minutes we lose half of antartica
What
vivid belfry
i am waiting grover
Sorry I had to talk to a coworker
pallid flare
are you on #sk-discussion while at work
vivid belfry
I'm perpetually online
fading tide
sometimes you just need extra stimulation that's all it is
cerulean sable
oh yeah sure "coworker" yeah we fucking get it you have a job you dont have to rub it to us "yeah just talking about synergizing capabilities to create ecosystems of cohabitual workflows and diagrams" yeah yeah we know ok you dont have to tell us yeah
pallid flare
no
analog forge
no, they dont
pallid flare
I may be cringe but not that cringe
boreal kettle
wh
vivid belfry
Anyway, what if you could get duplicates of crests in order to increase their slot capacity? This would potentially double the amount of Crest pickups in the game, allow early crests to maintain their utility in the late game, and allow for power scaling without removing customization. Basically like spells but for crests and it doesn't matter which one you find first
fading tide
it's not cringe to care
wet moss
I may be cringe but not that cringe
Caring for somebody? Absolute cringe
pallid flare
i do care for some but not for him
fading tide
refusing to care is more cringe
vivid belfry
Basically the same concept as Crest upgrades but implemented in a different way
cerulean sable
so in a way all crests (lets just say theoretically) at the end of a 100% run all crest would be "equal" in strength
burnt topaz
refusing to care is more cringe
know no one therefore know no cringe
cerulean sable
but you can find several pieces to power them up
analog forge
I say crests dont need to scale their power into the late game.
Simply having utility is enough to justify a crests existence
vivid belfry
Yeah, but then early game crests aren't as powerful as lategame crests so there is some progression
analog forge
Rather than trying to scale them to the same power level, giving them unique utilities lets them maintain a niche indefinetly
pallid flare
in a system with many, varying powerful options there has to be a best one or am I understanding this wrong
vivid belfry
You do realize that things having the same power level and things being unique are not mutually exclusive concepts
analog forge
Thats not what im saying at all grover and you know it
vivid belfry
That's ideally how the tool system should work if you subscribe to the church of every tool is one slot
Bruh when the fuck did I say crests wouldn't be interchangeable
analog forge
Im saying if something has a unique enough utility then it doesnt need to scale powerwise.
vivid belfry
Sorry, glowing womb having a cool concept isn't enough to justify using it
analog forge
glowing womb isnt utility, its power.
pallid flare
it's the "good" trash
marsh ibex
glowing womb isnt utility, its power.
What power
pallid flare
cool concept but it's just bad
vivid belfry
What in the goddamn hell are you on about
pallid flare
dunno bro
analog forge
gathering swarm is utility. compass is utility.
steady body is utility.
vivid belfry
Cringe hunter I am going to send you back to school
pallid flare
he is at school
boreal kettle
what about interchangeable and upgradeable
marsh ibex
utility just means what the charm is used for though
pallid flare
huh??
vivid belfry
You can have interchangeable crests... that get more powerful overtime? By upgrading them. And they are all still interchangeable
boreal kettle
You can have interchangeable crests... that get more powerful overtime? By upgra...
exactly
vivid belfry
I hope you are understand this
pallid flare
imagine having online class
burnt topaz
imagine having school
pallid flare
:( 2 1/2 school days left
vivid belfry
And this way, hornet can have crests that are better at the end of the game than at the beginning, which is a good way to make the player feel like they have become stronger with time, but also all of your options for swappable crests, even the ones that were introduced in the early game, are the same level of viable
burnt topaz
I like that, it also allows enemies to also be scaled drastically
vivid belfry
Counterpoint: you're wrong
pallid flare
that makes no sense
vivid belfry
Just have every Crest balanced to the same level at max upgrade level
boreal kettle
not if all the crests upgrade at the same time
cerulean sable
what if tools are potent enough that you dont need to upgrade crests
vivid belfry
Hell, have the ones in the late late game not get upgraded at all and start at this maximum balance threshold
vivid belfry
what if tools are potent enough that you dont need to upgrade crests
I think having the tool/crest system be at the same power level the whole game is gonna make it feel weak compared to skills and needle
pallid flare
i vaguely know what crests are
cerulean sable
hmm well see
vivid belfry
Unless there are just straight up no upgrades for the entire game, which would be pretty insane for a metroidvania
tawdry palm
Unless there are just straight up no upgrades for the entire game, which would b...
rainworld goes brrr
analog forge
we already known crests wont be at the same power level across the board
cerulean sable
they did say outright we can modify the pins into the tri pins so there is some level of ""upgrades"" when it comes to tools
burnt topaz
rainworld goes brrr
from what i hear, rainworld is pretty insane
analog forge
just look at the reaper crest
analog forge
nom food
tawdry palm
from what i hear, rainworld *is* pretty insane
oh god dont get me started
analog forge
dont drown
vivid belfry
Does rainworld even count as a metroidvania? My understanding was that it was just exploration with no upgrades
tawdry palm
where do I go, what am I supposed to do???
eat food, find family
tawdry palm
the find family part is secondary, but important
vivid belfry
they did say outright we can modify the pins into the tri pins so there is some ...
If the tools can all be upgraded, then the crests don't need to be, but imo that would be a lot more work and allow for less interesting customization
tawdry palm
If the tools can all be upgraded, then the crests don't need to be, but imo that...
or maybe theyll both be upgraded
vivid belfry
I would rather gain the ability to equip more passives over time than make all my passives better
nimble pebble
gathering swarm is utility. compass is utility.
steady body is utility.
Steady body is an S tier charm
There is no compromise
cerulean sable
isnt the slash knockback in SS already way lower than it was in HK
vivid belfry
Seems like it
nimble pebble
I see you Pyro
vivid belfry
I bet this is also due to the fact that hornet has default quickslash
nimble pebble
Based
pallid flare
sorry but I will force my opinion down your throat
analog forge
You already gain the ability to equip more passives over time though the use of better crests and presumably white tools
nimble pebble
sorry but I will force my opinion down your throat
You will never have the taste of the QS SB meta, which both pair with strength very well 
signal crag
uh, her attack swing speed is faster than the knight?
vivid belfry
If crests just get numerically better over the course of the game, there's not really any reason to keep the old ones in your inventory
languid linden
Steady body is an S tier charm
True
tribal merlin
could also be you combine an old one with something you find
analog forge
its not just numerical increases grove.
you sacrifice utility for the sake of power.
Unique abilities of each crest are already more than enough to keep them worthwhile
languid linden
Half the people who have done P5 hitless used sbody
vivid belfry
No they're not
barren roost
Counterpoint: you're wrong
the perfect message to open discord to
analog forge
can you, like, not?
vivid belfry
If you mean "better" when you say better crests at the endgame, there's no reason to use old crests outside of niche cases no matter how unique their abilities are
nimble pebble
Half the people who have done P5 hitless used sbody
They know how based it is 
vivid belfry
Glowing womb lets you attack without getting close or using your nail but it still sucks dick so nobody uses it
languid linden
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v8_zcybNa69cHF3JV91KxxwDdiR8W5Kuwc2xnKKzWoA/edit?usp=sharing see for yourself
analog forge
That'd be the same regardless of any upgrades, grove.
theres always gonna be some crest that, due to its combination of tool slots, is just better than the others
pallid flare
GEF almost got it?
analog forge
maybe a triage, if you're lucky
barren roost
GEF almost got it?
impressive
vivid belfry
Yeah but you should at least balance them to be the same power level, I'm not saying metas don't exist
I'm saying they should all be VIABLE
signal crag
just not another charms case
tribal merlin
with things as complex as tools and crests there's never gonna be "same power level"
signal crag
for glowing womb, just a damage buff would at least made it worth using with the right strategy
vivid belfry
Yeah, if glowing womb had any kind of damage scaling it would be fine
analog forge
Glowing womb this, glowing womb that.
minions in general in HK are really weak
serene chasm
but oh so cute
analog forge
glowing womb is a lategame charm.
it doesnt need "scaling", it just needs to not be trash
nimble pebble
I nearly but Rad Absrad with a minion build for shits and giggles
vivid belfry
So why are you arguing that early game crests should be trash
analog forge
I have never argued that
tribal merlin
why should early game crests be just as good as late game crests
vivid belfry
You said that late game crests should be better
nimble pebble
Flukenest was good...Until they nerfed it
analog forge
I have argued against upgrades,
that utility, not power, not slots, is why you'd you use certain crests
vivid belfry
why should early game crests be just as good as late game crests
Early game crests should be objectively worse than lategame crests WHEN YOU ACQUIRE THEM, but you should have the option to improve them so that ALL OPTIONS IN YOUR KIT ARE VIABLE
tribal merlin
I agree that it wouldn't be bad to be able to improve them but I don't see why everything must be viable
vivid belfry
Objectively worse: progression throughout the game
Objectively similar: customization options
The best way to get both of the good things on the right is to have both of the things on the left
As you go on, you should get more powerful AND have more options, not just have more options
signal crag
something like how salubra gives you more notches as you collect charms?
vivid belfry
That's why nail upgrades, charm slots, and void spells exist
Alsart you make a great point, maybe Crest upgrades should be tied to tools
signal crag
also what kind of upgrades for Crests are we talking about? more slots?
vivid belfry
Pretty much yeah
I don't think their passives have to get stronger over time, I just think it would be good if the huge stache of tools you accrue is more usable in all crests
In different denominations of the genres of course
signal crag
so keeping their passives / style of gameplay pretty much the same, and just giving them more space for tools to allow more freedom of customization, or just more options and power in general
vivid belfry
Yep
cerulean sable
i grow tired of this crest or tool talk but were all here for that main menu background styles
cerulean sable
so trufe
bleak scarab
Give it to me then for.. safe keeping nothing suspicious
nimble pebble
There's going to be a silk menu style and a song menu style, also a citadel menu style
vivid belfry
Ok
nimble pebble
Perhaps a Silksoul menu style
cunning geode
Trobbio menu style
burnt topaz
Hollow knight menu style
tribal merlin
if you have a bunch of tools and a growing number of spots for them in a crest that's gonna be a nightmare to balance and depending on the exact numbers you could have less options because it's n choose k
like 3 out of 8 you have 56 combinations, 4 out of 8 you have 70 combinations but 5 out of 8 you have 56 combinations again
tribal merlin
yeah you see 56 combinations of shit are easier to balance than 70 combinations
pallid flare
why don't we remove tools altogether
vivid belfry
It's not really about balancing the combinations though is it
It's about balancing the individual tools
bleak scarab
why don't we remove tools altogether
What if we remove Hollow Knight altogether 
vivid belfry
And balancing the crests in relation to each other
tribal merlin
what would balancing be if not balancing the combinations?
like if there's one combination that just puts all others into the trash and makes the game ez mode that wouldn't be too great
burnt topaz
What if we remove Hollow Knight altogether <:gorbbrain:725954288005677056>
well they arent gonna be in silksong, thats for sure
vivid belfry
If there ends up being a Crest and tool combination that makes the game easier then like... who gives a shit?
There's always going to be metas and restricting the player's options isn't going to fix that
Unless you just remove the options entirely
So yeah let's go with pyro's thing actually
cerulean sable
yeah you see 56 combinations of shit are easier to balance than 70 combinations
@unkempt compass shoutout
tribal merlin
what if there's a tool shop where you can store all your tools and they'll totally look after them
pallid flare
bleak scarab
what if there's a tool shop where you can store all your tools and they'll total...
Not again you won't fool me 
burnt topaz
millibelle really does belong in silksong with a name like millibelle
barren roost
well they arent gonna be in silksong, thats for sure
using the wrong pronouns really fucks with HK lore
burnt topaz
it has been changed
barren roost
is it "them" or "it"
I think it's them/it
nimble pebble
I mean, I don't think glaringly pointing out someones automated response when referring to an individual is exactly great either but perhaps that's just my biased opinion since I accidentally called THK a he once or twice and a bunch of people jumped me
barren roost
I mean, I don't think glaringly pointing out someones automated response when re...
did you do it in #hk-lore? those people- I remember when I said that the knight has no emotions
nimble pebble
I did it here I believe
Also idk if the knight has emotions, but it has a will and a mind
But that's more for #hk-lore
barren roost
did they mention winged nosk
haughty brook
Can we talk about mob enemies in SS?
marsh ibex
Always
vivid belfry
You mean the enemies that say "ayy gabagool we got a wiseguy here"
bleak scarab
cunning geode
It’s best to source art you find
barren roost
goodbye, xXxLORDZZh4w4rp_Zh4w4nd0w0w69xXx
cunning geode
then don’t just take it off of google
burnt topaz
so we gonna talk about ss mob enemies or not
nimble pebble
Pretty sure that pic is from reddit
I saw it there when I used to browse r/hollowknight
cunning geode
Simo
marsh ibex
SIMO IS A REDDITOR?
vivid belfry
so we gonna talk about ss mob enemies or not
I know TC said no goombas but I hope we get more enemies like the moss pupas and fluke infants
marsh ibex
nimble pebble
I haven't used it in a while
vivid belfry
They're a really organic way to deliver free resources to the player
nimble pebble
I know TC said no goombas but I hope we get more enemies like the moss pupas and...
Wha
olive bobcat
iirc enemies have interactions with each other
Hopefully this means I can cause class warfare
vivid belfry
Goombas- enemies that just walk back and forth eg tiktiks, amblooms, crawlids, etc
cunning geode
Like, simple enemies you can step all over
marsh ibex
goomba
nimble pebble
Goombas- enemies that just walk back and forth eg tiktiks, amblooms, crawlids, e...
Ah, I get what you mean now
finite lake
hi
barren roost
SIMO IS A REDDITOR?
glossy gazelle
Those Moss crawlers in the grotto are probably the goombas of the game
nimble pebble
Most likely
cunning geode
Yeah Simo moderates the HK reddit if you weren’t aware Joker
finite lake
the white thing that spun around on the platform looks like the tik tik
vivid belfry
Gimme my money you fuckin goomba
marsh ibex
cunning geode
Where’s the money Lebowski
glossy gazelle
the white thing that spun around on the platform looks like the tik tik
It’s probably a slightly more advanced version of the same enemy
bleak scarab
Smol dave
cunning geode
I think having simpler enemies scattered here and there adds flavor to the game
finite lake
any silksong news?
cunning geode
it’s nice
marsh ibex
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marsh ibex
Having two enemies that do the exact same “I walk” thing with no differences is more pointless work
glossy gazelle
Moss Mother is definitely the Gruz Mother of the game
vivid belfry
Alternatively to goombas we could have more big bulky motherfuckers that give you tons of silk like mawlurks
marsh ibex
oh right there are three of those. Forgot shadow crepes existed
glossy gazelle
A simple boss that basically a teaching point to learn the game
vivid belfry
Except she staggers
glossy gazelle
Yeah so she’s probably easier-
nimble pebble
the white thing that spun around on the platform looks like the tik tik
It's a mini dave bro
glossy gazelle
I won’t compare every boss to a HK boss but the one that are applicable I will compare-
Like the Coral guy probably doesn’t have a comparison
vivid belfry
Moss mother is much closer to vengefly king than gruz imo
But structurally she fulfills the purpose false knight was supposed to, to introduce the concept of boss fights
She just does it better because she doesn't fuck up your expectations of how staggers work
glossy gazelle
Well Vengefly King isn’t a boss until Godhome so
coarse leaf
I would not consider vengefly king as a boss, more of an annoying enemy
glossy gazelle
She does have similar attacks though
Yeah before Godhome he’s more like a midboss
Dangerous foe and more difficult to deal with than most enemy but not quite a boss
mystic pewter
Moss mother's only relation to gruz mother is being like a traditional bug and "mother"
vivid belfry
And being fought in a church and slamming into things
mystic pewter
otherwise, I'd say it's a more elaborate vengefly king that fulfills the role of false knight.
which has already been said
manic zenith
in the basement
mystic pewter
marsh ibex
no
glossy gazelle
groan
nimble pebble
It's cloudy
languid linden
#hk-meme
nimble pebble
What kind of skins do you want people to make for Hornet
marsh ibex
Pale King
noble patrol
Hornet
analog forge
personally, i want skins in vanilla but thats a big wish
nimble pebble
~~personally, i want skins in vanilla but thats a big wish~~
HA!
I wish
Deep Dock worker hornet when
vivid belfry
Hornet shaved horns (hitbox accurate)
nimble pebble
Steel creation hornet
analog forge
Honestly, starbunny2
analog forge
Imagine a silksong version of the starbunny skin, my heart would die
manic zenith
What kind of skins do you want people to make for Hornet
something like
analog forge
no
marsh ibex
based
manic zenith
yes
sweet lotus
that looks wonderful
manic zenith
maybe some shit with hood because Im weak for hoods
nimble pebble
Hoods are nice
sweet lotus
how are you today, incredible Silksong folks?
fiery coral
something like
You know how Cubone in Pokémon wears the skull of its dead parent or something
nimble pebble
But what about BEE Hornet
manic zenith
You know how Cubone in Pokémon wears the skull of its dead parent or something
based
analog forge
how does hornet put on a hood?
nimble pebble
How do humans with animal ears and tail biologically attached do
manic zenith
how does hornet put on a hood?
same way Herrah puts a hood
analog forge
the only animal ears a hood would impede would be hard bunny ears
any other animal ears would be just... covered by the hood
marsh ibex
This’d be cool
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mqOJod
manic zenith
bleak scarab
ooh
nimble pebble
This’d be cool
<https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mqOJod>
Interesting
bleak scarab
we have baby hornet skin in HK what about tall knight skin in ss
manic zenith
oh god it would be so cursed
bleak scarab
You have to finish the set
manic zenith
tho maybe THK would be more logical to put as skin
nimble pebble
Nah
cerulean sable
what if the hoods were just like conelike instead of putting wholes for Hornet?
nimble pebble
I'd say PV has accelerated growth
manic zenith
what if the hoods were just like conelike instead of putting wholes for Hornet?
no
thats why I need Herrah-like's hood
nimble pebble
Vessels are all pretty much consistently small, aside from PV which we know had stuff done to him, likely the cause of its growth
tawdry valley
This’d be cool
<https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mqOJod>
I’d say something like this looks best, but then with potential additional decorations on the horns.
As for the hood? Herrah type hood or bust.
cerulean sable
forgot Herrah had a hood
fading tide
the beast kinda drippy though
cerulean sable
actually more accurately, forgot that Herrah even existed :gwholyfuck:
analog forge
teen the knight would be pretty cute as a skin
serene chasm
actually more accurately, forgot that Herrah even existed :gwholyfuck:
who?
analog forge
i think its like... a boss or something
nimble pebble
PV just grew up is all 🙂
There's no evidence for that, since knight is the same age as PV/THK and is still small
analog forge
well not "the same" age.
just similar age.
nimble pebble
PK likely had influence on PV's growth when training and priming it
bleak scarab
Maybe they just drank really good milk
nimble pebble
It'd be pretty hard for dead children to grow naturally
fading tide
REALLY good milk
vivid belfry
I prefer the WL growth theory to the PK growth theory
bleak scarab
Calcium
tawdry valley
PV and TK (and probably most other vessels) are functionally identical. Their main difference is their upbringing, which is specifically stated to have influenced their form and skill
vivid belfry
It lets WL like... do something other than birth future corpses
tawdry valley
So yeah, PK gave his kid steroids.
fading tide
basically different milk = different vessels
vivid belfry
And it would make sense that she would be the one who makes things bigger as opposed to PK
nimble pebble
So yeah, PK gave his kid steroids.
I would agree, however I don't think it's steroids I would say wyrm magic, for lack of a better term
fading tide
I don't think he meant literal steroids
tawdry valley
I would agree, however I don't think it's steroids I would say wyrm magic, for l...
I don’t disagree, I just also don’t see an exact opinion explanation.
I picked roids cause it’s funny. you can pick wrym/root magic cause it’s plausible with no protest from me.
vivid belfry
The virgin plausible explanation vs the chad shitpost without an explicit debunk
tawdry valley
I don't think he meant literal steroids
I didn’t but it’s sounding funnier as it continues being plausible.
fading tide
The virgin plausible explanation vs the chad shitpost without an explicit debunk
god i love this
manic zenith
actually more accurately, forgot that Herrah even existed :gwholyfuck:
unbased Taco
cringe even
tawdry valley
I think I’m siding with @nimble pebble here regarding who does the growth magic. PK would probably try the feed his kids soy milk, and WL would spike the cereal with Hydrocortisone.
barren roost
people say cringe all the time, but nobody says delta airlines... :(
barren roost
wait apparently I'm a speedrunning term?
and tess gave me a shoutout before I joined?
okay, so I have exactly two shout outs
but if you search "cringe" there are 9641 results
nimble pebble
and tess gave me a shoutout before I joined?
This has to do with the Greek Alphabet
barren roost
I know it was a joke
spark mist
Do u guys think silksong is coming out this year
noble patrol
No
hollow terrace
Probably not
spark mist
I'm gonna pretend like it is
stiff burrow
It coming this year and not this year are equally likely to me. There is still almost half of this year left after all
barren roost
Do u guys think silksong is coming out this year
no
fierce star
It coming this year and not this year are equally likely to me. There is still a...
Same lol thats about how I feel
I need a new metroidvaniaaa
Maybe I'll just replay C:SOTN for the lulz
tawdry valley
I need a new metroidvaniaaa
Play Blasphemous then
fierce star
Play Blasphemous then
I did
spark mist
Try axiom verge
stiff burrow
Or the Ori games, or Rain World, or Steamworld Dig 2
fierce star
Try axiom verge
Perhaps I've heared its fun
tawdry valley
Try rainworld, yeah
probably the only game I would say has a better open world than HK
fierce star
Or the Ori games, or Rain World, or Steamworld Dig 2
I have rainworld it's fun
Considering getting ori2 or the first one
spark mist
Do we know if crests are gonna do anything other than letting you equip more tools
fading tide
I played ori before HK and after going back to it it's just not the same
fierce star
Tbh I'm intentionally staying behind on silksong news I dont care to know what the game will hold I want it to be a surprise, I just want to know when the game will exist 
noble patrol
Never
fading tide
blasphemous scratched my silksong itch for a few days, I also liked cuphead even though that's pretty different
brittle garnet
Do we know if crests are gonna do anything other than letting you equip more too...
They can change your attacks and Healing and other things, and they have a "second function" but we don't know what it is
stiff burrow
I have rainworld it's fun
Considering getting ori2 or the first one
If you wanna play an Ori game I recommend playing it order both cause story and cause playing the first after the second can feel bad cause of the improvements
fading tide
celeste is a good game if you like the platforming part
fierce star
blasphemous scratched my silksong itch for a few days, I also liked cuphead even...
Yeah both are sick games
spark mist
celeste is a good game if you like the platforming part
Agreed
fierce star
If you wanna play an Ori game I recommend playing it order both cause story and ...
Makes sense I figured as much
stiff burrow
True Celeste is also good. Just not a metroidvania
fading tide
I still need to finish celeste, I think I was on world 8
fierce star
celeste is a good game if you like the platforming part
One of my all time favorite games
spark mist
I'm on the last screen of farewell