sk-discussion

[velvet heart]

when you think about it. most bugs are older than elder bug

[nimble pebble]

I know, but it's funny in particular with Hornet

[digital junco]

not-elderbug

[languid linden]

No he's still old, it's just that almost everyone else is older

[digital junco]

elderbug's lifespan is just shorter

[haughty brook]

Maybe he is called Elderbug because he was born with the face of an old man?

[velvet heart]

Yeah, or maybe elderbug just ages up quickly

and thinking about it, what about when he was a child? was he called childbug? youngbug?

[tribal merlin]

maybe it's a typo and he really is called Elden Bug

[digital junco]

wait what would kid zote look like

[nimble pebble]

[nimble pebble]

Your mom

[velvet heart]

one of those entitled brats you see at the mall

[digital junco]

[wheat crescent]

@nimble pebble funny

[velvet heart]

i have seen too many "your mom" jokes in the past hour, i am sick of it.

[pallid flare]

stop making your mum jokes

i'm tired of seeing them

[nimble pebble]

I made one in a sea of none of them

[languid linden]

This is Pillow's revenge against Hornet is Voiders

[nimble pebble]

Unless you're hanging out in the cesspool that is #hk-discussion

[marsh ibex]

the hell happened here

[pallid flare]

nothing?

[nimble pebble]

[grim forge]

[pallid flare]

what is that monstrosity

[grim forge]

Feelszoteman and it's your new saviour

[olive bobcat]

🙏

[pallid flare]

bread

[fallow apex]

Potato

[tribal merlin]

wrong game

[fallow apex]

Epic

Not anymore

[pallid flare]

hegemol

[tribal merlin]

they could be in 2D Ark Souls

release date not known

[livid creek]

Will Silksong have Silk that are songs?

[pallid flare]

probably no

[livid creek]

Damn.

Not worth smh.

[agile ivy]

will silksong come out before the next GoT book?
I hope so. TC is working hard

[sacred stratus]

lol I always wondered why you never fight a duo boss where each one is different and you have to kill both to win in HK

you have a couple of gank bosses but they are either two bosses that are the same or in the case of Godtamer you just have to kill the beast

[tribal merlin]

it's harder to balance 2 bosses in 2d than 3d

less space to move to

so either it's way too fucking hard or too easy

[vivid belfry]

Just make their movements related to each other so it's basically one boss fight with two pieces

[gentle hornet]

I have an idea

What if one if the bosses used a drumstick or marimba mallet as a blunt weapon?

[barren roost]

TC aren't gitted gud enough to do that

you might say it's the dark souls of boss designs

[tribal merlin]

that would be just one boss tho that's cheating.
was talking about 2 independent AIs fighting you at the same time

[copper knot]

i have gained depression

[vivid belfry]

I don't see how that's cheating, Oro and Mato influence each other's behavior

And also making things more consistent is generally just better design

[tribal merlin]

having 2 independent bosses doesn't equate inconsistency.

unless by consistency you mean predictability

[glossy gazelle]

Isn’t the Vault Enemies gonna be a trio with different AI?

[tribal merlin]

we don't know

like was stated before, if the 3 are coordinated by a central AI then it's essentially one boss with parts that are strewn all over the screen

[heady iron]

watcher knights have independent ai and you see how they're received

meanwhile mantis lords are coordinated

[tribal merlin]

all I'm saying is the more independent AIs fighting you at the same time the harder it is to balance

[vivid belfry]

Yeah so don't make them uncoordianted, I don't see why that's controversial

I don't think there's any reason to make them two completely independent AI's aside from saying you did it

I don't think there's any reason to make them two completely independent AI's aside from saying you did it

[tribal merlin]

the reason would be more variety in the same fight

you could fight that shit over and over with very different situations and outcomes

challanging you in unexpected ways

[vivid belfry]

I mean having completely inconsistent boss encounters without dedicated counterplay in a game primarily about pattern memorization doesn't sound great

[tribal merlin]

I'm not sure why variety is set equal to inconsistency

[vivid belfry]

Because that's just kinda what happens when you have desynced enemies that take up way more space than you do

[tribal merlin]

then would consistency be equal to repetitiveness?

[vivid belfry]

The alternative is a fight that is consistently too easy because overlapping attacks are the only part that's challenging

[tribal merlin]

well tbf I did say it would be hard to balance

[vivid belfry]

People who want bosses that have a random chance of completely fucking over an attempt play roguelikes

[nimble pebble]

[vivid belfry]

NKG and PV are fan favorite bosses because they're super difficult to beat despite being entirely predictable after repeat playthroughs

[nimble pebble]

^

[signal crag]

2 bosses with their own indipendent AI's is a risky choice in general

[vivid belfry]

Oblobbles and Watcher Knights are pretty universally beloathed at different parts of the game, but mantis lords aren't, and it's because the former have desync

[signal crag]

yeah, i hate when that happens

[tribal merlin]

tho o&s are a fan favorite in ds so I don't think that argument is as absolute

[pallid flare]

the what are a fan favourite in what?

[signal crag]

because they are a great fight or because they are a fair fight?

[marsh ibex]

something about dark souls pyro

[signal crag]

Ornstein and Smough from Dark Souls

[pallid flare]

there's too many acronyms

[tribal merlin]

also watcher knight's ai is quite stupid and they're only challenging because they come in a pack. a single watcher knight is just dead meat and uninteresting

[vivid belfry]

Yeah that's basically the entire argument about not making two bosses that don't communicate- any difficulty that comes from them behaving AS two entities is inherently unintentional design and likely in the direction of being unfairly difficult

[pallid flare]

people also don't know how to use their spells properly

[vivid belfry]

I don't think invulnerability exploits should be considered when designing boss fights
There's a reason shade cloak is only required for two

[pallid flare]

most also insist on not pogoing them

it's just that most don't really know how to fight them

[nimble pebble]

Rip and Tear until the job is done

[sacred stratus]

rip and tear until my sanity is done

[sacred stratus]

I 100% agree and ppl that think that that's ok are stupid

[sacred stratus]

why? pogoing on them is so useful if you're keeping an eye for the only attack that can hit you there plus since you're already mid-air you can cast ddark more quickly to get i-frames in case you fuck up

[pallid flare]

i know that's why I said that

I meant that most just don't pogo them for some reason

[signal crag]

maybe they don't know they can pogo on enemies?

[sacred stratus]

it's crazy when you're at the top 1% of players in this game but still feel like a noob

[sacred stratus]

very improbable bcs even my stupid ass discovered pogoing a long time before them

[pallid flare]

pogoing is a key mechanic

[signal crag]

i know there's a specific room with the spikes and grub that's meant to teach you that, but i saw a few players that discovered pogo much later into the game

[pallid flare]

required by these weird purple mushrooms

[sacred stratus]

I actually discovered it in Greenpath and started using it in the wastes bcs of the tasty mushrooms

[pallid flare]

I didn't know how the mushrooms worked so I googled that

[sacred stratus]

I quickly found out that if you hit them they bounce you in the opposite direction so through the rules of inferring...

[vivid belfry]

I didn't even know you could swing down until I got stuck in fungal wastes and had to Google it, I never put in a down input on accident because I was playing on keyboard

Fighting hornet without pogo is probably why it took so long (same for moss knights)

[nimble pebble]

I can't remember exactly when I learned to pogo I believe it was around fungal wastes however my problem wasn't figuring it out, I just used to be very bad at it

[glossy gazelle]

I didn’t even use Pogo for either Hornet

[vivid belfry]

The worst part is that I knew pogo was in the game from the promotional material but I just assumed, for no good reason, that I would have to unlock it

[marsh ibex]

lmao

[glossy gazelle]

I think I only remember using Pogo on Nosk and one other boss

[signal crag]

isn't there a room in crossroads that's meant to teach you that?

[glossy gazelle]

Yes

Wait I think it was howling cliffs not forgotten crossroads

[vivid belfry]

I came back to it with double jump and dash
I never learned spike pogo was a thing in my first playthrough, because it's not necessary even in WP

[signal crag]

no no, it is in Forgotten Crossroads

with the grub and spikes

[nimble pebble]

You know I suppose I did learn to pogo in the spike room up to the grub but did it subconsciously and didn't realise till later

[signal crag]

sorry, i have dinner, see ya all later (maybe)

[marsh ibex]

I learned spike pogo after falling down into a bed of spikes and accidentally pogo-ing off of them

I was surprised so I still died

[nimble pebble]

Amazing

[manic zenith]

I didn't even know you could swing down until I got stuck in fungal wastes
lol same, tho I think I discovered it myself

[grand crow]

Im sooooooooooooooooooooo excited for silk song

[pallid flare]

ok

[ocean coral]

what is it the 25th anniversary of

[vivid belfry]

1996

[normal hinge]

celebrate the year 1996

[ocean coral]

but why

[vivid belfry]

That's when my grandma was born

[ocean coral]

thats cap

[copper knot]

hi pyro

[vivid belfry]

Nuh uh

[barren roost]

I don't understand
except I'm stupid oh yeah

[tribal merlin]

certificat d'aptitude professionelle? dunnoh what that has to do with anything here

[pallid flare]

hi furry sans

[copper knot]

i finished omori

i got depression

[pallid flare]

that was quick

[sacred stratus]

depression is good

[pallid flare]

go for alt route now

[barren roost]

hi pyro, hi furry sans

[copper knot]

wait how is that quick lmao i was quite slow

[pallid flare]

hi delta

[copper knot]

is it bad i just read all the other endings

i got the ||good ending with the secret cutscene||

thats literarily the best wdym

ok fair enough smartass

i was joking lmao

[pallid flare]

||the secret cutscene|| is the only thing I never went for

[copper knot]

sorry if it came out as rude

[copper knot]

||SO YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU DIDNT WATER BASIL'S PLANTS?||

I WOULD LITERALLY ||GO BACK TO THE VAST FOREST AFTER EVERY COOL SHIT JUST TO WATER HIS PLANTS||

agreed

[pallid flare]

I just didn't

[normal hinge]

celebrate(acknowledge a significant or happy day or event with a social gathering or enjoyable activity) the year(the passing of 31,536,000 seconds) 1996(the thousand nine hundred ninty six year after Christ)

[pallid flare]

i got better things to do than water his stupid plants

[copper knot]

pyro we are no longer friends ||/j||

[pallid flare]

go fetch the other achievements

[copper knot]

only 34 percent achievemtns

[normal hinge]

basil dum dum

[copper knot]

if you wanna shittalk someone, do so at aubrey

[pallid flare]

fuck him and his plants

aubrey is the only good character in the game

[copper knot]

fuck you and your plants then

major spoiler:
basil will literarily ||cover up your fucking murder thats like a bro move right there||

if i gotta make friends with someone they better ||fucking cover up when i murder someone||

||i'd like to think that he moves back in with them in a few years||

[serene chasm]

I dont want my friends naked when I murder. Its just awkward

[copper knot]

...bruh

[pallid flare]

wha?

[copper knot]

also what year does omori even take place even

[pallid flare]

somewhere between 199X-2003ish

[copper knot]

huh

i actually expected it to be more recent

but then nobody there have smartphones so

[pallid flare]

most of the tech is pretty old

especially with the ingame gacha stuff

[copper knot]

i like how toby fox worked on a music

[pallid flare]

i don't like that track personally

[copper knot]

i think its fine

[normal hinge]

sanans understander in omori 😱

[copper knot]

also didnt omocat design an enemy for undertall

[vivid belfry]

I ||didn't water basil's flowers because I realized very quickly that dream world Basil didn't actually matter||

[copper knot]

[haughty brook]

The heck is going on?

[copper knot]

omori moment

[vivid belfry]

Definitely true

[barren roost]

sickening

[vivid belfry]

||you only actually save dream basil by permanently ruining Sunny's chances of recovery, so fuck him||

[copper knot]

ya know i was actually ||kinda angry at sunny for killing mari at first||

[pallid flare]

this

the part you don't like is actually my favourite part

[magic narwhal]

Maybe label other game spoilers

[vivid belfry]

This chat looks like #off-topic when jojo part 5 anime was airing

[pallid flare]

we are labeling them

[copper knot]

||why save dream basil when you can save irl basil?||

[magic narwhal]

No like label what they are spoilers of lol

[normal hinge]

anmany 🤮

[pallid flare]

ooh

[pallid flare]

||do it for the alt route content|| omori

[copper knot]

||I DONT WANT BASIL TO DIE THO||

[pallid flare]

||it's a fair price to pay for bonus content||

[nimble pebble]

Jojolion aka part 8 is ending in like a week

[copper knot]

BUT ||BASIL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO||

[sacred stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQ1yE8sW_I

enjoy fellas

[pallid flare]

ok

[sacred stratus]

I love how the arena is basically Anor londo + high wall of Lothric

[olive bobcat]

Haha this is perfect

[pallid flare]

what's an anor londo and what are the high walls of lothric

[olive bobcat]

Omori discussion is becoming more common

[pallid flare]

shh don't draw more attention to this or the mods will smite us out of existence

[sage berry]

omg, it's just like that book I never read

[sacred stratus]

Anor londo is an area from DS1 and high wall of lothric is an area from DS3

[pallid flare]

oh ok

[barren roost]

it scares me so

[pallid flare]

it's not a bad thing

[ornate beacon]

Omogus.

[vivid belfry]

This gif goes perfectly with not so empty house

[pallid flare]

owori

[vivid belfry]

Susthing

[pallid flare]

||susthing behind you||?

alexa, play omori ost -- 027

[marsh ibex]

Cease this off topic nonsense

[pallid flare]

no, wrong

wait where did the message go

[vivid belfry]

The joker became the junker and he junked it

[ornate beacon]

I have become junk'd.

[pallid flare]

now I look like a jerk tho

[vivid belfry]

I think saying "no, wrong" to me when beans is righteous

[tribal schooner]

what are we talking about?

[vivid belfry]

Nothing

[pallid flare]

we talked about susmori but then mod came in

[tribal schooner]

i thought this chat was for ss and off topic. like any message is ok as long and you say ss every 4 or 5 messages

[vivid belfry]

This is the fundamental problem of big discords, channels function more like cliques than actual topics in practice

[marsh ibex]

It’s not

That old rule was tossed when #hk-general became a thing

[pallid flare]

i definitely like to talk about random stuff more but nobody goes to #off-topic or #hk-general

[tribal schooner]

i was mostly kidding. is it that sometimes yes but i know we are supposed to talk about ss

[pallid flare]

i sometimes go to #hk-discussion out of pure boredom but it isn't the same

[tribal schooner]

dude i hear you. tho tbh i like talking ss but most people on here dont give enough effort to the topics or anything. at least not enough to make it a good time. then when someone does say something somebody from the lore discussion comes and tells us we are wrong

[glossy gazelle]

And it’s not like we say on-topic for long periods of time anyways, since you know, we virtually exhausted conversations and most stuff is either rehashing or very rarely speculation with no evidence

[pallid flare]

or just people complaining about the lack of news

[glossy gazelle]

That too

[pallid flare]

i really like the people here but not the chat, you know?

[tribal schooner]

same

[tribal merlin]

we need ss-people channel

[vivid belfry]

#ss-offtopic

[signal crag]

[glossy gazelle]

When ss eventually comes out, this channel will speed up dramatically

[tribal schooner]

lets do it guys

[pallid flare]

for the better or for the worse?

[vivid belfry]

To be fair, I think if ss off topic was real, this channel would immediately die

[pallid flare]

no one would go here anymore

[glossy gazelle]

Both probably. On one hand, we’ll actually have stuff to talk about, on the second hand spoilers

[pallid flare]

or would that lead to other regulars

[signal crag]

i mean, we could have some actual discussions more frequently tho

[pallid flare]

discussions of what

[signal crag]

....the game?

[glossy gazelle]

I mean when ss comes out, I do wonder if a seperate off topic will be made

[vivid belfry]

the game

[pallid flare]

you just lost the game

ok seriously now, about what?

[nimble pebble]

I wonder if a SS lore channel will be made

[glossy gazelle]

It’s possible considering I’m guessing like the first game, it was have quite the expansive lore

[pallid flare]

there probably wont be another one

[glossy gazelle]

And the other lore channel could get clogged up

[pallid flare]

it's all the same franchise tho

[analog forge]

its better to quaruntine all the lore stuff to a single channel

[serene jewel]

Yeh cause l*re is lame

[pallid flare]

lore requires too much thinking

[nimble pebble]

If SS is going to be as standalone as it's being pinned as it's a good idea

[glossy gazelle]

Well it is virtually standalone yes

[nimble pebble]

SS lore will most likely matter more to itself then to HK

[pallid flare]

if it's all standalone then a new channel would be good, yea

but it'll probably tie in with a lot of hollow knight stuff

[nimble pebble]

Maybe

[glossy gazelle]

Edge made it clear that you don’t have to play HK to understand SS

I’m still on the theory the only related things would be hornet herself and the weavers

[nimble pebble]

I'm on the same train of thought tbh

[pallid flare]

i could really use some news rn tbh

[nimble pebble]

It'd be nice, but I doubt it

[tribal schooner]

that is wise senpai jones

[signal crag]

well....they didn't specify news about Silksong

[nimble pebble]

[vivid belfry]

#hk-lore is desperate for new material, just go ahead and conglomerate them

[pallid flare]

just like us haha

[nimble pebble]

[vivid belfry]

Plus anybody who cares enough about silksong lore to join a discord discussion about it has probably already played the first game

[pallid flare]

probably

[graceful mason]

i have a question for you guys what is the silksong?

[nimble pebble]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[pallid flare]

silksong is the upcoming sequel to hollow knight

[sage berry]

force of habit?

[nimble pebble]

New HK game starring hornet

[normal hinge]

staring

[pallid flare]

starring

[normal hinge]

starting

[graceful mason]

not in that way like example hollow knight is about the hollow knight but why is silksong called silksong what is the silksong

[pallid flare]

silksong is silksong

the song of silk

[normal hinge]

🕸️ 🎵

[pallid flare]

the silk's song

why call it hollow knight if the knight isn't actually hollow?

[normal hinge]

because it's a sequel

[sage berry]

hollow knight is the franchise name

[analog forge]

Because its the name of the franchise, dummy

[pallid flare]

get snailed, lol

[vivid belfry]

The first game is called hollow knight: hollow knight

[nimble pebble]

Silk and song are relevant to the plot, just like in Hollow Knight Hollow and knight were relevant to the plot

[graceful mason]

yes

[sage berry]

ye man, you should post it on r/mildyinfurating you'll prob get a lot of upvotes tbh

[nimble pebble]

Bloodborne isn't in the Dark souls franchise

It's only commonality is that they're both Fromsoft games

[sage berry]

guys, it's just branding

[nimble pebble]

I know it is

[vivid belfry]

Shovel knight is not in specter of torment this is bullshit

[marsh ibex]

it’s branding yeah

But

Hornet was literally in Hollow Knight?

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

sorry but there is no hollow knight in silksong

unless the hollow knight is hornet

hornet knight

[tribal schooner]

unless he is. think about it in two of the last endings of HK THK comes back and is ready to seemingly fight hornet. therfore he could be the reason she ended up in pharloom all together and therefore he is indeed involved in the game

[nimble pebble]

Here I go explaining why THK and hornet wouldn't fight again

I should be paid for how many times I've had to explain this

[normal hinge]

[vivid belfry]

Hornet is the hollow knight in this game because her traumatic experience with the events of HK have left her a hollow shell of her former self

[marsh ibex]

you can get paid with a mute

[pallid flare]

and yet you aren't, you fool

[nimble pebble]

[marsh ibex]

Mods can’t be muted kekw

[nimble pebble]

They can by an admin

[marsh ibex]

Unless admins do it, but you aren’t an admin

[marsh ibex]

I did that myself

[pallid flare]

i have waited too long to use this screenshot

[normal hinge]

haha get muted

[analog forge]

joker with this pfp is confusing my small monkey brain

[graceful mason]

[pallid flare]

grimm pfp moment

[analog forge]

definitely a grimm pfp moment

[sage berry]

I went through the hassle of translating that note in that image and it was just sample text

[graceful mason]

dante from dante

[pallid flare]

did you think that I just write bad stuff in the note section

[analog forge]

Grimm pfp is an attitude, not a physical characteristic

[pallid flare]

and then message them with it??

once you become a grimm pfp you stay a grimm pfp

[subtle notch]

https://youtu.be/Mfvg2lkpEyk

[pallid flare]

who?

[marsh ibex]

ok, and?

[graceful mason]

dante is gone

[pallid flare]

what even is the purpose of this emote

[nimble pebble]

THK is a weak and has to use it's nail as a crutch after coming out of the Black egg, THK has a mind to think and a will to break, it has sensibility to not attack at random Hornet knows THK and would not just attack and or fight him unless he were still infected, Hornet watches the infection drain from the black egg and her entering a battle stance when seeing THK is simply an instinctual move base on the fact that she is a seasoned warrior as THK should not be able to waltz outside of the Black egg and hornet would not be aware of TK beating Absrad

[sage berry]

♿ EAT DUST MOEFOES

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

we already moved on from that conversation, pillow

[nimble pebble]

I was still typing it

[serene chasm]

For now

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

curly is gonna claim your knee caps

[nimble pebble]

Hornet's got elbows not knees so she's gucci

[formal karma]

at least @ the dude if you're typing it out, or better yet do what i do and have a google doc

[pallid flare]

yes

[formal karma]

yes

[graceful mason]

isnt it still free on epic?

[pallid flare]

nope

[nimble pebble]

I suppose I could have however I was only half paying attention because I was focusing on my point

[pallid flare]

why even bother

[formal karma]

i can dig it

[tribal schooner]

i actually wanted to know still so thanks for writing this out

[nimble pebble]

NP

[pallid flare]

the best ending :)

[tribal schooner]

i would at least like a nod or something for that scene cause i want to know how that all went down between THK and hornet

[nimble pebble]

Chances are, we will never know

[pallid flare]

it was purposefully left ambiguous

[tribal schooner]

i hate ambiguous

[pallid flare]

||just like someone's death||

[vivid belfry]

THK: "..."
Hornet: "WHAT THE FUCK. Oh it's just you. Bye I guess" *zooms away

[serene chasm]

They hugged

[pallid flare]

she just reverse b-hops away

[nimble pebble]

Neither participant has a reason to fight it's likely going to be awkward until someone leaves

[marsh ibex]

Quirrel probably died

also crack idea

THK fucking collapses

[nimble pebble]

Probably, but in classic TC style, we'll never know

Then takes a 3 day nap

[ocean mulch]

Quirrel died

[sage berry]

quirrel is dead in TC's heads

[nimble pebble]

Quirrel is in the Bahamas drinking a cocktail on a lounge chair while sunbathing

[serene chasm]

was. He died soon after

[sage berry]

ok grandpa let's go to bed now

[formal karma]

nah he aint in silksong...

[wild gyro]

previous to that he was a pirate and sailed on the upcoming game: Zotebote

[vivid belfry]

Quirrel shot to death in Miami
(He's okay now though)

[tribal schooner]

but do they have an exxhange? does THK try to bring hollownest back to life or does he just flop? do they complain about PK for a minute bonding over their crazy father. do they lament over the knight and his death? does hornet take a moment to explain to THK what happened and do they make a statue for the knight to comemorate his saving Hallownest? and does said statue look oddly more like zote allowing him to brag and continue to take credit when he doesnt deserve it

[tawdry valley]

What do you think “ambiguous” means

[nimble pebble]

Nay, we shall never see him again, he is retired in the tropics

[formal karma]

none of those questions are remotely interesting, though

[nimble radish]

thk can't talk though

[ocean mulch]

Normal pills

[pallid flare]

that's what I meant by "ambiguous"

[tribal schooner]

they are interesting.... to me

[nimble pebble]

I'd say a rebuild or just leave it be and leave tbh

[nimble radish]

the names Practice, Mal Practice, Dr. Practice to my clients

[marsh ibex]

Why would they try to be hallownest back to life

[pallid flare]

mathmatics, am i right?

[formal karma]

just pretend it's any of the answers, then, and you'll never be wrong because we're never going to know

[marsh ibex]

Also neither Hornet nor THK are stonemasons

[ocean mulch]

Hallownest

Dirtmouth

[analog forge]

Without the radiance fucking shit up, theres no reason not to try and rebuild, since theres so many ruined homes and stuff

[vivid belfry]

Hallownest can get fucked imperialist graveyard PK deserved to die kill em all unn's land was NOT ours to take 🙏

[tribal schooner]

ok.... i would still love it if TC told us. even tho they likely wont

[analog forge]

it'd be easier to repair than building completely annew

[pallid flare]

i have an unlimited supply of shroompogs

[analog forge]

you only have 6, dont you?

[formal karma]

but then you can be wrong and or disappointed, this way its whatever you want

[nimble radish]

theres no need to rebuild since the population is like 5

[pallid flare]

6 is a big number

[nimble radish]

once enough squatters move in there would be some use to it

[tawdry valley]

Im not working in the rain of CoT for post-apocalypse-wage construction work. So I doubt any Hk bugs would either

[marsh ibex]

Really Hallownest has been dead for a while, and the whole dead fuccas coming back to life is recent

[analog forge]

the population was only like 5 because radiance was fucking up the population growth

[marsh ibex]

their main city center is fucked and probably will flood eventually

[cloud pike]

i always had this idea that after a certain point, the blue lake would collapse and turn COT into rapture from bioshock

[serene chasm]

Can Iselda and Cornifer have kids and if so, what species would they be?

[pallid flare]

hasn't the infection going on for a bit tho?

[analog forge]

I mean post apocalypse wage is actually super high, considering the lack of laborers

[marsh ibex]

restructuring a society when a lot of people might enjoy the current lawlessness is an issue

[dry valley]

y’all want some REAL silksong speculation??

[pallid flare]

mosquitos

[nimble radish]

just a guess but the same as iselda and cornifer

[dry valley]

There will be no moths in silksong

[marsh ibex]

Yeah we know

[analog forge]

doubtful

[dry valley]

Because team cherry said no dreams

[marsh ibex]

Seer was the last moth

and she could’ve died

So

[analog forge]

Moths are more than dreams

[cloud pike]

will there be Tuba Warriors in silk song?

[pallid flare]

joker is assuming sequel?

[nimble radish]

the moths were made by rad

[marsh ibex]

[tribal schooner]

its the knowing i want more than the actual answer. but i see what your saying. what i really need to do is make a dope cut scene of them fighting cause hornet always needs to fight to understand a person, kinda like naruto an then they make up and do their thing making statues and stuff

[analog forge]

no, the seer was the last of her tribe.
I can only assume there are other moth tribes

[marsh ibex]

Even if it’s prequel Pyro seer is the last moth

[nimble radish]

another separate moth tribe made by another separate radiance

[dry valley]

Also because tc wants to make things more concrete and less magical with silksong

[marsh ibex]

You can’t really assume that

[nimble pebble]

The only Moth tribe is the one made by Radiance Moths didn't exist outside their creation from Rad

[dry valley]

Radiance 2 confirmed

[vivid belfry]

So they say, but we still have motherfuckers setting circles on fire and making moss potions

[pallid flare]

waiting for #hk-lore to destroy this man to pieces

[formal karma]

man if only silksong could stand on its own merits....

[nimble radish]

even if there are more moth like bugs I really doubt they'll be called moths

[analog forge]

Moths arent a species, they are a class of animal.
2 different moths could have come into existance convergently

[cloud pike]

between all the characters with bell armor in the ss trailer

Tuba warrior doesn't seem implausible

[nimble radish]

what is a merrit

[dry valley]

True. I guess that statement really only applies to hornet and her abilities in the game

[nimble pebble]

That only applies to real life

[nimble radish]

convergent evolution time

[dry valley]

Take the silksong challenge: find a spider and put it in your room

[vivid belfry]

Even then, silk is pretty fantastical and there will probably be some magical passive tools

[tribal schooner]

turns out that ari and william have bonded over their phobia and hatred for moths and will make them the ultimate bad guy for every HK game

[analog forge]

Is there any evidence to suggest that the moth tribe the radiance created is the only type of moth in the entire, wide world of hollowknight?

Did radiance genocide all the other convergent moths?

[formal karma]

evolution isn't a thing

[marsh ibex]

That goes both ways, and evidence falls on you to provide it

[nimble pebble]

It's more like there's no evidence for the opposite

[formal karma]

biology isn't a consideration at all in HK

[nimble radish]

uh yeah it is

[nimble pebble]

In which you'd need to provide

[nimble radish]

the primal aspids evolved into aspids

[pallid flare]

mfw you lied

[formal karma]

yea but people aren't evolving into other people

[nimble radish]

yeah because evolution takes a really really long time

[analog forge]

"people arent evolving into other people" as it turns out, its hard for a species to evolve when its more or less completely mastered its niche and eliminated the need for competition

[tribal schooner]

if those snipers were primal i never want to see the evolved mentaly acute aspids

[nimble pebble]

There could be something akin to a moth in HK somewhere out there but not only is there a lack of evidence but at the very least in the HK universe The moths we refer to in Hallownest are specifically the ones created by Radiance and are all dead as of seer passing

[patent socket]

[nimble radish]

I wonder why primals are stronger, what benefit is there to not having the triple shot

[tribal schooner]

i feel like that is what we say because no one want to admit that God created everything

[formal karma]

primals evolved into weaker people because of the beacon, just like everyone else in HK

[pallid flare]

they did more than being on discord all day, no?

[formal karma]

hunter is always talking smack about soft Hallownestians

[nimble radish]

uh ok

[sage berry]

evolution is one of the few biology things in HK that is a thing
"Brooding Mawlek
A hulking beast with long claws and razor-sharp teeth, covered in infectious blisters and crying out to some distant companion.
Could it be a distant relative of the goam? Perhaps they share an ancient ancestor…"

that's from the wanderer's journal btw

[nimble radish]

so the theory of evolution exists in a fairly developed form in their world

things only lore nerds even care about

[formal karma]

yea but my point is we're not 'convgerent evolution'ing more moths into the game

[analog forge]

Aspids spit infection.
its not about "evolving weaker" its about the infection manipulating them in different ways

[nimble pebble]

Aspids spit acid prior to the infection

[formal karma]

hallownest aspids also need to spit less, cause its less dangerous

[nimble radish]

now I want to theorize about which bugs have common ancestors

[formal karma]

go ahead

[nimble radish]

hmm, the tiktiks crawlids and shadow creepers probably share an ancestor

and possibly baldurs as well?

[nimble pebble]

Baldurs feel like they share a common ancestor with mini daves

[formal karma]

obles and gruz, when did they split?

[nimble radish]

their ancestor would have to have lived in both hallownest and pharloom

[analog forge]

Or maybe there was a mass migration event

[nimble pebble]

It's not impossible for a species to migrate

[analog forge]

which landed a split of the species into hallownest

[pallid flare]

didn't we migrate tho

[marsh ibex]

???

[nimble pebble]

Wha

[nimble radish]

well I didn't

[pallid flare]

oh misread it

[serene chasm]

Are you suggesting bugs migrate?

[nimble radish]

birds migrate yearly why can't we do that

[pallid flare]

yeah birds do that, why can't we??

[burnt topaz]

It would be extremely expensive

[nimble radish]

if we had wings we could migrate much easier

[pallid flare]

money is a social construct, those birds don't need money to migrate

bro you're still being flamed in #hk-lore

[serene chasm]

Nothing is really stopping you walking south before winter

[nimble radish]

theres an ocean

[pallid flare]

country borders?

[sage berry]

then swim

[nimble radish]

but I'll get wet

[sage berry]

bring a towel

[nimble pebble]

That's what happens when you enter water yes

[nimble radish]

but the towel will get wet

[pallid flare]

better the towel than you

[nimble radish]

both of us will get wet while swimming

[pallid flare]

then don't swim

[nimble radish]

then how do I cross the ocean

[pallid flare]

[nimble radish]

and how do I pay for my bote

[pallid flare]

money

[nimble radish]

gosh, I didn't think of that

[burnt topaz]

It always comes back to money

[serene chasm]

[pallid flare]

this world isn't fair

[nimble pebble]

We should go back to trading Money was a mistake

[pallid flare]

you're missing a comma

idk where though

[nimble radish]

trading would make shopping a real pain

you'd have to hand over a basket of potatoes or whatever every time you wanted a power rangers action figure

[nimble pebble]

At least no person could get richer and richer while others get poorer and poorer

[pallid flare]

doesn't it loop back around to money?

just that our money is potatoes now

[nimble pebble]

Also in the modern age the things you could trade a multitude of things

[nimble radish]

there are other solutions to that, if we had trading some people would have more resources

[nimble pebble]

It's a lot harder to stock pile potatos then it is thin pieces of paper or metal

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[pallid flare]

just buy land and people that are willing to be paid in potatoes

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

then buy out farms and there you have your money printing machine

is that not the english word

[nimble radish]

but there more potats there are the more people will want in exchange for things

[nimble pebble]

If I bought land and or Island I'm not letting anyone live on it, I'm going to wire wifi and electricity to it, claim it, its own nation and follow my own rules, since I would be the citizen of my own nation I would not need to pay taxes therefore I am living the life

[pallid flare]

what does that sentence even mean

electricity by whom exactly?

[nimble radish]

there was a guy that claimed an old oil rig as a new nation

[pallid flare]

i think that was somewhere in british land

[serene chasm]

If you had enough money to buy an island you wouldnt be paying taxes anywhere anyways. We all know rich people dont get taxed

[nimble radish]

it was

[nimble pebble]

Which ever nation is closest, I'll just enter an alliance that procures me power

[pallid flare]

will they accept potatoes tho?

[nimble radish]

that would require them recognizing you as a separate nation

[nimble pebble]

If Luxembourg can do it so can I

[tribal merlin]

whichever nation is closest will just send over one sniper and a flag

[pallid flare]

how do you guarantee that you will stay the emperor of potato land?

[nimble pebble]

How nice of them to gift me a sniper

[burnt topaz]

Population: 2

[nimble pebble]

[nimble radish]

you will never compare to Luxemberg

[tribal merlin]

nah the population will still be only one after the sniper arrives

[tribal schooner]

i mean one person can get enough energy out of a solar panel if its big enough why comply to any on country

[pallid flare]

i have never met a person from luxembourg in my entire life

[nimble pebble]

Good point

I still need a wifi service though

[pallid flare]

do people unironically live there?

[tribal merlin]

there doesn't exist long range wifi
you'd need satellite but then good luck with games

[burnt topaz]

No it's all ironic I hear

[nimble pebble]

I will simply purchase them

[pallid flare]

from whom?

[tribal merlin]

yes you can buy games but you'll have 1500 ping

[nimble pebble]

Cause idk who came up with the notion that my nation would use potatoes as its currency cause it wouldn't

[nimble radish]

get one of those massive undersea cables

[burnt topaz]

The luxembourgians

[pallid flare]

wait what

well what currency would you use then?

[nimble radish]

no currency

[nimble pebble]

Whatever was near by

[pallid flare]

how do you intent on buying stuff then??

[nimble pebble]

Lots of poor Countries switch to the US dollar because of inflation, it's not unheard of, of nations using anothers currency

I will simply use whatever the nearby nation uses

[burnt topaz]

What is the nearest nation then

[pallid flare]

that makes no sense

[serene chasm]

Why buy stuff? Just become fully self sustainable

[nimble pebble]

As they are my main source of trade

[pallid flare]

in your population of one?

[nimble pebble]

Are you suggesting I produce my own electrcity, wifi and video games?

[burnt topaz]

Those are all unnecessary to survive tho

[pallid flare]

don't forget food and that stuff

[nimble pebble]

That I could probably self sustain

[serene chasm]

Yes. Farm, Hunt, Fish.

Just pretend you are playing Stardew Valley

[pallid flare]

where would your empire be?

[burnt topaz]

It won't be a fun life, but at least you can say you're the emperor of sonethong

[nimble radish]

farming can produce loads of food if you know what you're doing

[nimble pebble]

They are not, but I prefer to live with the several amenities I have taken for granted

[pallid flare]

I shall therefore call this fictional province "sonethong"

where is sonethong

[burnt topaz]

Great, awesome.

[pallid flare]

is it in "europe"?

[nimble radish]

isn't that a moon somewhere

[pallid flare]

(britland isn't europe)

[nimble pebble]

I shall procure these things one way or another

[pallid flare]

yeah but where?

how big is your land?

[burnt topaz]

We got our Europe license revoked when we left the eu

[nimble pebble]

Moderately sized island

UK never used the Euro anyway, we all knew it was going to happen

[serene chasm]

What counts as a moderately sized island?

[pallid flare]

uk

[burnt topaz]

More like isle of man

[nimble pebble]

Large enough to house a small town but fuck you, you can't come anyway

[nimble radish]

I'm pretty sure that's now how that works

[pallid flare]

deal with it

[pallid flare]

what if I give you 10 potatoes

[nimble pebble]

No

[nimble radish]

if you let me live on your island we'd get more done collectively

[burnt topaz]

Pyro is the one sniper that's gonna come to your island

[pallid flare]

making potatoes all day, every day

[serene chasm]

#sk-discussion commune

[nimble radish]

uh no, he's a pyro

[nimble pebble]

I accept trade of video games and other forms of house amenities like power and ac

[barren roost]

yes
comrade curly

[nimble pebble]

And anything I could shove into my house for convenience

[pallid flare]

sorry but only cool people allowed

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[pallid flare]

20 potatoes?

[nimble pebble]

We are not a Potato based society sir

[pallid flare]

but they fit nicely in your house

[nimble pebble]

You will be shot down before you even land

[burnt topaz]

What kind of based society are you then

[nimble radish]

isn't a coup where you keep chicneke

[serene chasm]

This is about to become some Lord of the Flies shit

[nimble radish]

an unbased society

[pallid flare]

he's in a dictatorship with himself

on a small island somewhere near england

[nimble pebble]

If only you'd be let on the island in the first place

I never specified where

https://tenor.com/view/canada-canadian-flag-canada-day-canadian-canada-flag-gif-17680482

[burnt topaz]

Just make your own island to compete

[nimble pebble]

Lmao

[burnt topaz]

is this how wars start?

[pallid flare]

i hope so

i call dibs on the potatoes

[burnt topaz]

no one else was reaching for the potatoes

[last trout]

america in silksong?

[nimble pebble]

My island will be Neutral and you will incur the wrath of the 78 someodd nations I am allied with if you attack

[serene chasm]

The next holy war will start because of sequel vs prequel

[pallid flare]

silksong will be the religion of my state

[nimble radish]

I will be the religion of my state

[pallid flare]

isn't that a theocracy

[burnt topaz]

and the purpose is to wait for the coming of christ

[nimble radish]

it's a meocracy

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps it's time to end this joke before the mods yell at us

[pallid flare]

who is theo and why is he cracy

[tribal merlin]

you should look up how to nixtamalize then

[coarse leaf]

This is very silksong related wow

[burnt topaz]

yes

[nimble pebble]

The Jape is over lads, let's move on

[pallid flare]

i will personally invite TC to my state made entirely with potatoes

how did we even end up here

[nimble radish]

let's move to #off-topic

[nimble pebble]

Nah I'm done

[burnt topaz]

haha speaking of something made entirely of potatoes, silksong except the potatoes are bells

[barren roost]

oh no, what have we done

[nimble pebble]

Belltatoes

[pallid flare]

rosaries look like potatoes

[burnt topaz]

sweet potatoes

[nimble pebble]

They look like Rosaries

[tribal schooner]

i mean that could work. why dont we jsut make an island in the middle of the ocean made of potatos it worked in the life of pie

[pallid flare]

those rosaries really look tasty to me

[barren roost]

much like actual religion it isn't founded on facts
d'you get it? silknever! 🤣

[nimble radish]

wrong reply?

[burnt topaz]

lori isnt real

[nimble radish]

wha-

[barren roost]

oh I thought you said it will be the religion, referring to silksong

[pallid flare]

but when you close your eyes~

[nimble radish]

pyro said that 🙃

[nimble pebble]

Guys seriously

[barren roost]

oh

[nimble radish]

you can't on topic a channel unless you provide something to talk about

[pallid flare]

we are on a roll

[barren roost]

what a funny idea

[pallid flare]

you're thinking too big

you better start small

[barren roost]

spoilers for terminator? sheesh
how many terminator fans did I just piss off

[nimble pebble]

What do you think the Yellow and Blue tools will be used for in contrast to the red tools which we already know is active tools

[nimble radish]

no I've never seen it

[tribal schooner]

speaking of ai i realized that the clones in starwars would have been far more effective if they had made clones to pilot droids across the galaxy. that way they could jsut replace the droid while still making an army gain more experience. it would be like an army of revenants from apex

[barren roost]

yeah- oh but you don't exist so you aren't part of everyone

[pallid flare]

haven't seen terminator either

[coarse leaf]

Wow star wars in silksong that crazy

[nimble pebble]

I actually suggested a SS topic, and yet the madness continues

[nimble radish]

we have too much momentum

[serene chasm]

You cant suggest one. You need to slip it in the current topic

[tribal schooner]

no because they used an AI that while still advanced by our standards was rather sub par compared to that of a clone. the clones would provide true Intelligence rather than AI therefore giving them an advantage

[pallid flare]

yeah the momentum of this topic is just too much

[nimble pebble]

[pallid flare]

it just keeps on giving

[nimble radish]

why did the separatists give the droids emotions, like some of the battle droids are cowards
what was the point of that

[tribal schooner]

wait...! what topic i want to talk silksong

[nimble pebble]

#sk-discussion message

[pallid flare]

watch as i mysteriously disappear

[tribal schooner]

perhaps they evolved emotions like the ghost program in I robot. that is a common trope among droids in starwars

im not really for it. i would rather actions be how i change the story

[coarse leaf]

I think yellow or blue might be passive buffs

[serene chasm]

Yellow I believe will be navigational tools. Since it looks like a compass. Blue may be passive that help in gathering items.

[nimble pebble]

That takes up far too much time to set up and TC would rather do other things with their dev time, for a very lore based game it also complicates things instead of having straight answers

[burnt topaz]

so sorta like the quill and unbreakable greed as an example?

[serene chasm]

Compass and Gathering Swarm would also be good examples

[nimble pebble]

I believe blue will be silk related and yellow will be passive

[coarse leaf]

I don’t think navigational tools will be a separate thing but instead a part of passive

[tribal schooner]

yeah besides lets be honest hornet is not much of a talker she is much more civilized and would rather attempt to cut you apart than talk

[vivid belfry]

I don't think navigation will be in tools at all, I think it should just be part of the map system

[burnt topaz]

do you guys want to see the tools screenshot from edge?

[heady sandal]

Let it be just Map system cuz thats just like wasting Notches

[ornate beacon]

I got retweeted by mongoose rodeo.
😳

[vivid belfry]

And gathering swarm can just be completely cut since rosary bounce physics aren't FUCKED

[burnt topaz]

thats epic

[nimble pebble]

Agreed

[burnt topaz]

Crowsworn devs

[nimble pebble]

It is very cool

Crowsworn is inspired by Hollow Knight, Bloodborne, and Devil May Cry

[tribal schooner]

i feel like the red will be the actual weapon like tools and then the blue and green will be augmentations you can use to make changes to your tools and or hornet herself

[coarse leaf]

Crowsworn seems so epic but I hope the devs might add a faster paced movement things from what we’ve seen so far it seems like hk pace

[nimble pebble]

????

It's got a good pace from what I've seen of the Kickstarter trailer

[vivid belfry]

HK pace is already pretty fast compared to most metroidvanias

[coarse leaf]

True

[primal oriole]

wow they really exceeded that goal huh

[marsh ibex]

Aye. Super Metroid wasn’t all that fast until you got the speed booster

[nimble pebble]

Do people not have the concept of outlier in their minds?

[coarse leaf]

I just hope there are abilities that let you move around your enemies fast when the game is released

[nimble pebble]

Kickstarter is not a good example to judge if a game will be good or not pre release

[coarse leaf]

Back to silksong

[nimble pebble]

I would say we saw plenty of that in the kickstarter trailer when you go barreling into a spike pit as a ball an bounce like crazy

Ah yes, when I ask to get back to silksong you just ignore me and continue on but the moment I slightly veer off we have to get back on topic I see how it is

I would also agree, I just like to enjoy the prospect of enjoying the content of a game we already know of, as something of what's to come

Rip someone in half?

Hornet has a parry

That's dumb

[coarse leaf]

That would be pretty sick

[nimble pebble]

[tribal schooner]

i was kinda disappointed with sephiroth

[ember geode]

theres this

[marsh ibex]

[nimble pebble]

*One winged angel intensifies

[ember geode]

I still can’t believe that Minecraft is in smash

[vivid belfry]

Silksong parry probably already blocks every attack, it has a material cost after all

[tribal schooner]

i dont love any one character enough to freak when they get in. HK would be one of my first real fandoms and i dont even buy extra stuff for it i just follow it. now if the knight or hornet got in smash i would be so hyped but i cant think of any other charaters that would blow me away

[sacred stratus]

how did you get a long arm centepede Shunen into the bridge anyways?

the knight is more likely

[tribal schooner]

i liked banjo and ridley was cool to see, and hero too but other than that most of the characers have been outside of my niche of hype

[languid linden]

Soul Master for smash

[ember geode]

My man 🤝

[nimble pebble]

Mantis lords for smash

[sacred stratus]

at 14:00 in your backyard

[heavy magnet]

hur hur

[ember geode]

Soul master is so badass

[patent field]

Hornets game isnt even out yet ofc the knight is more likely

[serene chasm]

eh. Depends on how popular SS is. I could see Hornet getting into smash instead of the knight

[languid linden]

Wait no it was Soul Warrior

[marsh ibex]

I mean they probably aren’t getting into smash

[sacred stratus]

I'm worried that it wouldn't be as popular

[languid linden]

My bad

[marsh ibex]

Only one character left after all

[sacred stratus]

it's hard to catch a lightning in a bottle twice in as row

[serene chasm]

But tbt neither will get in because they arent FE characters

[marsh ibex]

and those were decided a while ago iirc

[tribal schooner]

nah the mii swordfighter would not be good enough for the knight either the knight or hornet but if i got a charcater i would not approve of a mii costume. i will only accept a mii costume if that is all i get. and it looks like we wont even get that

[ember geode]

Sakurai also said that all dlcs will end in December. Even if silksong releases before that it will still be an extremely small chance

[sacred stratus]

Doom slayer for smash?

[ember geode]

Mf has a plant in smash

[serene chasm]

SS will destroy HK in terms of popularity.

[ember geode]

I think that’s kinda fair since Mario is 10x more enjoyable and popular than FE

[sacred stratus]

how many characters are there in smash?

[stark prism]

more than 7

[sacred stratus]

damn that's a lot

[ember geode]

I really hope it does. But there will definitely be those kind of fans who only like hk cause it’s nostalgic

Happened with way too many games

[serene chasm]

sure. but they are a very small minority

[wet moss]

Mario, luigi, and byleth adding up to 3

[tribal schooner]

so close to 100 but sakurai you need a vacation

[sacred stratus]

plz Doomguy

[ember geode]

82 characters and not one of them is Carl wheezer

[tribal schooner]

honestly doomguy is my high hope for the last dlc

[sacred stratus]

nooooo... (I don't play Smash but it would be cool)

[tribal schooner]

id be ok with spyro too. or crash

[ember geode]

Hehe my guy got mii’d

[wet moss]

Wow nobody is even trying to get back to silksong

[nimble pebble]

Lmao, you know when Smash Ultmate stops getting updates Sakurai is done right? He wasn't even supposed to make melee but Nintendo forced his hand, He's quitting the smash series when all of this is said and done

[ember geode]

imma be honest, what’s more to talk about

[sacred stratus]

this chat maybe called #sk-discussion but this channel ain't about #sk-discussion

[wet moss]

Idk but if your gonna go to completely off the rails go to offtopic

[tribal schooner]

oh i know thats what im saying. but i mean a vacation from development in general

[sacred stratus]

not anymore

[wet moss]

Let ss-discussion die in peace

[nimble pebble]

I would agree

[sacred stratus]

if there's one thing that dark souls taught me is to not let the flame die out

[barren roost]

wait what is this responding to

[ember geode]

Me saying this @barren roost

[wet moss]

But your talking about smash the flames dead

[serene chasm]

#sk-discussion message

[tribal schooner]

i was thinking tho. if sakurai is really finishing he is gonna go out with a bang, what do yall think he will do to finish off his legacy?

[pallid flare]

are there five discussions happening at once

[wet moss]

Rework steve

[ember geode]

Better than 0

[sacred stratus]

usual #sk-discussion shit fight there

[nimble pebble]

Going out with a bang is Smash Ultimate itself

Wait I pinged the wrong person

[wet moss]

[nimble pebble]

People were happy about Kazuya, but that's just because Smash players like Tekken

[tribal schooner]

you think so? i think it could be comparable to when he said everyone would come back before smash released. watch all those characters that we thought got benched are gonna become playable or something. (just an idea so dont bash plz)

[wet moss]

Is that the guy who threw a bunch of people off a cliff

[nimble pebble]

Yes

[wet moss]

Cool I haven’t seen any gameplay

[nimble pebble]

He's a fighter character so he got them combos

I played against my friend who had him, he's interesting

[tribal schooner]

that is a fair point but he has to give the finale kinda like a firework show

[pallid flare]

is that dante from the devil may cry series

[wet moss]

Cry about it

[pallid flare]

i'm not a devil?

[wet moss]

I didn’t mean that

[nimble pebble]

He doesn't have to at all, the game is the final bang, he could make the final update the major one, but he doesn't have to. He's done more than enough for us and I just hope he has a good time not being chained to smash after this

Indeed

[tribal schooner]

i hear you. im not saying he has to i only suspect it cause he seems to enjoy it. that really seems to be his favorite part. no expectaions but i wouldnt be suprise with one more bang

[wet moss]

Gib

[nimble pebble]

Melee was kind of forced onto him and it's kin of been like that aside from ultimate

[nimble pebble]

He enjoys the fans enjoying his work

He likes making games but Sakurai has always been against the corporate side of things

When the company he founded got far too corporate he left

[tribal schooner]

thats why he is so good at it all. he doesnt go with the flow he just does his thing

[nimble pebble]

Indeed

[tribal schooner]

tho despite being forced into alot of the smash work i think he has loved doing it. now he just needs some good rest after years of amazing work

no one. they will just port smash ultimate over and over

i mean how could you beat smash ultimate

[nimble pebble]

If Sakurai isn't making it we all know it won't be as good and most likely shit

[tribal schooner]

they will make it 3d or something

[nimble pebble]

So my bet is Nintendo will try to make a new smash game fail horribly then never try again

[thorn wasp]

i

[tribal schooner]

just big circular platforms for smash characters to dooke it out in a 3d space

[nimble pebble]

Doubt it

[tribal schooner]

i hope they are smarter than that. just dont make any more

[nimble pebble]

Exactly, but knowing corporate greed, they would

Which is kind of why Sakurai hates corporatism in the first place

[tribal schooner]

im just talking about how they could change it and likely ruin it with the change

then again why do people love smash?

[nimble pebble]

Because Sakurai made it, and because Sakurai focuses on making a good game not making cash it's not an actual pile of garbage

[marsh ibex]

it’s a giant crossover game that is great at parties and competitive scene

[tribal schooner]

what does sakurai add to smash that others especially those who worked under him couldnt do? this is a genuine question that i expect a good answer to. i believe he makes a difference i just cant think of what that might be

[nimble pebble]

^

[marsh ibex]

his special flair? He cares about the reps and can basically gush about series?

Like the King of Fighters stuff

[nimble pebble]

He literally wanted to make a good game instead of making a quick buck?

[ember geode]

My guy sakurai literally represented almost every character perfectly

[lapis inlet]

Sakurai does add a lot but "He cares about the game he's making" doesn't automatically set him apart

[nimble pebble]

There are plenty of devs like this true, but there is far more corporatism in the game development world, and I am tired of it so are many others

[lapis inlet]

lots of people in the industry care about the games they make and actually want it to come out good

[tribal schooner]

i wonder if his team could make another game and not have it be trash but i bet you that sakurai is hard to push into doing stuff he doesnt like. i bet nintendo has to give him a ton of leaway that others might not be able to get

[ember geode]

How is smash trash

[barren roost]

and doesn't need another one?

[nimble pebble]

The point isn't that others do it the point that most others don't

[marsh ibex]

Pffft

hahahahahaha

[tribal schooner]

unfortunately the coperate side controls those who are passionate and need money. and like anything that makes money corporates will ruin it

[marsh ibex]

hahahahhahahahaaaa

[barren roost]

hahahahaha

[marsh ibex]

sonic the hedgehog

[nimble pebble]

There's a common problem with game devs trying at first but then when they realise the franchise is popular and don't actually have to try to make money it goes to shit

[barren roost]

hahahaha (cries)

[ember geode]

Ganondorf

that’s why I said “almost”

[tribal schooner]

i mean that they could make one that lives up to the rest of the games made by sakurai not that smash is trash but that any made by someone aside from sakurai could end up bad

[marsh ibex]

I’d also argue that Joker isn’t represented well either

he’s really the warm up to pretty good dlc characters

but a lot of his moveset is copied from other fightersss

[languid linden]

I was very confused for a second

[lapis inlet]

any made by someone aside from sakurai could end up bad
any Smash game made by him could still end up bad. frankly i want to see someone else's take on the franchise, even if he's really, really good at what he does

[ember geode]

Jokers final smash and his victory stuff is so well done

[marsh ibex]

no

no, not really

[barren roost]

well, given graig's ranking, I'd say so

[nimble pebble]

Can't wait for Persona 6 where they hopefully create a series with adults since young adults have just as much stress and problems to rebel against as teens. Oh wait, It won't happen because Atlas will forever make Persona 5 side games

[lapis inlet]

"It's a supernatural being created from one's mind, therefore they are both the same!"

[marsh ibex]

They gave sonic his discount spin dash, and his homing attack. They also gave him his speed and style. Explain your gripes

[barren roost]

what's a stand
please don't kill me

[marsh ibex]

same with joker kekw

[marsh ibex]

JoJo

[barren roost]

oh

[marsh ibex]

funny man go ora ora time stop yare yare daze

[serene chasm]

SS confirmed Steam deck exclusive (fake)

[pallid flare]

are my eyes seeing right

[nimble pebble]

Well Jojolion is ending next month

[pallid flare]

is this a certified curly fake?

[serene chasm]

sadly

[nimble pebble]

Araki did say he wants to make a part 9 before he retires the Jojo series though

So who wants another 10 years of Jojo

[serene chasm]

no one

[nimble pebble]

I legit do not remember, it has been too long

[pallid flare]

the steam deck sounds too good to be true

[nimble pebble]

[barren roost]

amazing

[nimble pebble]

Can't wait for it to have a copyrighted band name

[barren roost]

get slugged lol

[marsh ibex]

They aren’t though

[tribal schooner]

there is likely a nintendo direct in september do you guys think we will see any SS there?

[serene chasm]

no

[marsh ibex]

Hot take: I don’t want to

[nimble pebble]

New character

Nah he said if he did make a part 9 it'd be the final part

He's getting old

You either live long enough to finish your manga or die before its finished

[gilded adder]

everyone

[sinful flare]

are we discussing a random anime or silksong here

[nimble pebble]

Jonny

[sinful flare]

i'm confused

[serene chasm]

yes

[nimble pebble]

We'll see I guess

[gilded adder]

I remember Araki saying something about a Part 9 but that was a while ago so things may have changed. And if he does make a Part 9, it will probably be on the shorter side considering his age.

[nimble pebble]

Happened to Kentaro Miura

[nimble pebble]

I would agree

Perfect, He'll be 69 when it's done

[tribal schooner]

what is the first thing yall will do when SS get a release date and or is released

[languid linden]

Smh my head Joker. Taking part in an off-topic conversation in #sk-discussion

[nimble pebble]

Play

I need to read more of part 8 I kinda read for a bit then take breaks

[tribal schooner]

how you gonna do that if you havent downloaded the game

[nimble pebble]

I'm going to play a game called downloading

[ember geode]

You literally described my first hollow knight experience

[tribal schooner]

i respect that

[ember geode]

YouTube comments fucking suck I swear they spoil everything

[nimble pebble]

I will still be in this channel when SS is out I've not really cared about knowing what happens and care more for experiencing it myself

I read it and didn't really care cause I have no clue what you're talking about

I'll probably forget before I reach that point

[gilded adder]

Man, every time I come back into this chat, my excitement for Silksong goes up by a lot.

[tribal schooner]

dude its like when you go in to see a moive as the people who just watch it come out and some stupid kid screams out " i cant believe han solo died bro" or " how can they just kill off half of the marvel super heros"

[serene chasm]

Were sorry Jonny

[gilded adder]

It's ok, Curly.

I've learned to deal with it.

Soon...

[nimble pebble]

Rip, I feel for you bro

SS will be out at one point and we can enjoy and partake in SS, so it will all be good

[tribal schooner]

ss coming soon is a lie...\

[ember geode]

The game looks so amazing but my switch doesn’t work

[gilded adder]

I haven't watched the trailer in a while, time to do that.

[ember geode]

[nimble pebble]

I shall also partake

[marsh ibex]

Jonny

Mah boi

[gilded adder]

Yes?

[marsh ibex]

time for your daily rewatching

Of nickelodeon all stars

[gilded adder]

I actually haven't seen the trailer for that, just a bunch of memes and talk about it.

[barren roost]

it's been a week, my god!
will be back in two minutes and ten seconds

[nimble pebble]

Nothing evokes more hype than the SS trailer

[gilded adder]

Truth.

[nimble pebble]

You and I Jonny are brothers

Brothers with the same cause

[gilded adder]

[nimble pebble]

YAASSSSOOOO

[coarse leaf]

Wrong. It’s quesoooooooo. 🧀

Thou cringer. Smallest of the small.

And besides, who are you calling a tomato?

[nimble pebble]

Lmao

[stoic hedge]

Silksong when?

[nimble pebble]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[stoic hedge]

so 7 months ago is the latest news we got?

and that was like just "featured in a magazine"