hk-discussion

[worthy peak]

For most of ot

[shrewd nymph]

ive also done too much r04 pv so that wouldnt help

[naive sonnet]

i want to do something skillful in this game

[worthy peak]

I encouraged the no ddark

[foggy sable]

I used to miss the pogo on ab

[naive sonnet]

and i've done skillful stuff but nothing exceptional

[foggy sable]

and fall helplessly into damage

so the DDark is an alternative

[worthy peak]

Then remove the no baldur restriction. And increase the skill cause you learnt another thing

[shrewd nymph]

im surprised your r04 was only 5:30

i guess you dived alot which is great for ttk

[foggy sable]

dive is so much damage in 04r

and ab which is why I rely on it

[shrewd nymph]

yeah i dropped about 45 seconds in my r04^5 video by trying out dives

per clear

[silent reef]

shamans 45 min in

[wispy willow]

You can do the anyrad stuff, I've seen you lurking in anyradcord

[naive sonnet]

thank you

[quartz edge]

I've been exploring, got all stag stations, got Ddark, and still can't find howling wraiths 😭

Is that post herrah?

[shrewd nymph]

fog canyon area

overground mound or wtv the first word is

[foggy sable]

I think my clear is a bit unrefined since it was only 1 try and I never went back

[quartz edge]

Okay, I'll go look around some more then.
Ty

[foggy sable]

so I may be able to do it faster

[shrewd nymph]

oh you'd definitely do it faster now

tendrils alone in that video were like 10 damage punishes and you do them alot better now

[silent reef]

W

1 essence

[brittle crystal]

Does my shade stay in mantis lords room if I die mid fight ?

[naive sonnet]

that's what i've been trying to do but for some reason people keep trying to convince me not to do something actually impressive

[silent reef]

finally I can get shade soul

Im back to where I lost my best run

[bright jackal]

I believe it stays a bit above the room, it's possible to get it without entering the fight

[brittle crystal]

Ok good

[wispy willow]

Oh yeah any rad is a bad boss no doubt

[shrewd nymph]

people are trying to convince you to use baldurs shell and ddark

[lament smelt]

its 5am for me should I a go to sleep or B install arch for the first time with no second device and no clue what im doing

[silent reef]

tf does 2d mean

[wispy willow]

Like objectively bad

[shrewd nymph]

because its just added rng

[potent monolith]

You can't unintentionally enter mantis lord fight anyway

[brittle crystal]

Oh ok

[worthy peak]

Cause it's not a meaningful difference with or without baldurs in terms of skill. Just in terms of luck

No ddark fine

[earnest apex]

Second dimension

[worthy peak]

Also you realise you don't have to only win once right

[quartz edge]

Yay!
Ty...
i had it open but I had forgotten to check it...
Holy sidequests 🤣

[naive sonnet]

but if i use ddark i just won't post it

and then there's a non-zero risk that i don't end up doing it again without ddark and so i'll have done it with no rpoof

[silent reef]

yea but in this context

[foggy sable]

this is the slowest run ever smh

[worthy peak]

Which is just dumb

[shrewd nymph]

ddarkless requires skill so suit yourself, but baldurless afaik is just rng

thats the main one

[quartz edge]

How does one pogo off of their howling wraiths?
or is that an abyss shriek only thing?

[naive sonnet]

baldur's is not a major point here

[worthy peak]

But yeah I won't complain much about ddark

[worthy peak]

Yes it is

[shrewd nymph]

it is

[quartz cave]

@shrewd nymph

[shrewd nymph]

ddark is way harder but you can do it with lots of skill. baldurless is just relying on rng for your clear

[worthy peak]

I will actively encourage you to do ddarkless

[shrewd nymph]

@quartz cave

[worthy peak]

Aand have

[quartz cave]

hii hru

[naive sonnet]

what i mean is i'm not actively against the concept of putting on baldur for a video

i am actively against the concept of using ddark in a video

[worthy peak]

I will not stand by for this stupid logic

[shrewd nymph]

good good, went out to celebrate my late birthday with some family

hbu

[silent reef]

freedom

[worthy peak]

Then just put it on

[quartz cave]

thats so peak why wasnt i invited

[naive sonnet]

but i still would prefer to keep my playstyle not entirely fucked up

[worthy peak]

It's just climb

[quartz cave]

im doing BAD cause i had my first inverted nosebleed in a while

[shrewd nymph]

if you flew over you could've come

inverted?

[worthy peak]

It's a different thing

[quartz cave]

blood flows back to ur mouth instead of out of ur nostril

[worthy peak]

It's not completely messing up your playstyle

Cause dodging isn't an option

[naive sonnet]

i don't know why you're so invested in this

[worthy peak]

And I don't believe your playstyle in absrad was facetanking

[shrewd nymph]

oh shit

does it just happen randomly or is it caused

[worthy peak]

Cause your logic sucks

[quartz cave]

randomly

[shrewd nymph]

sorry to hear that damn

[naive sonnet]

if it weren't for you making such a big stink about it i would've probably eventually caved and put on baldur's

[worthy peak]

Oh just me

[quartz cave]

whenever humidity is too low i get a nosebleed

or when its too hot

or when its too cold

or when i touch my nose wrong

[naive sonnet]

but because you keep trying to convince me to use it i'm absolutely never going to

[quartz cave]

anything is enuf to trigger a nosebleed

[worthy peak]

So you admit it's stubbornness

[naive sonnet]

well, mainly you

[worthy peak]

And not self-respect then

Great

[naive sonnet]

it's a bit of both

[shrewd nymph]

ive only had like 3 and when its when i walk into a wall

i think im lucky

[silent reef]

ok pls dont die flukenest

[quartz cave]

its a chronic issue for me back in my peak times i had 5-6 nosebleeds a day or sum 🔥

[worthy peak]

I've literally always been completely about your logic not you doing it

Do you not realise that

[shrewd nymph]

they had to nerf you lowk

too cool

[quartz cave]

why r u telling the truth,,,

[worthy peak]

I'm pointing out how rng it is cause you say it's skill

[quartz cave]

trtuh nuke

[silent reef]

NOO

[naive sonnet]

you were literally just actively trying to convince me to not do anyrad and do some silksong bullshit again

[worthy peak]

Cause your logic for not doing Silksong stuff sucked apparently you liked it more

But didn't want to do it

[naive sonnet]

i'm mainly avoiding baldur's to make the video stand out

[naive sonnet]

beccause i don't want to be distracted from this

[wispy willow]

Baldurless any rad has to be top baldest hot takes

[worthy peak]

Oh really

[silent reef]

BRO

[naive sonnet]

i wouldn't be against it if every other anyrad clear didn't use it

[shrewd nymph]

bald? @quartz cave is this you

[naive sonnet]

like seriously i want something unique

[wispy willow]

👨‍🦲

[quartz cave]

unfortunately yes

[worthy peak]

So your were lying

[quartz cave]

im in my bald era

[shrewd nymph]

ugh i hate that you revealed you have hair

[wispy willow]

hello twin

[quartz cave]

the buzz cut is calling...

[shrewd nymph]

more boring than imaging you as bald

[quartz cave]

hiii mathy

hyd

[naive sonnet]

no not at all

[shrewd nymph]

skullet. embrace aus tradition

[remote bear]

p4 advice any1

its pain

[worthy peak]

Okay lying by ommission

[wispy willow]

Great gtg have some lunch

[quartz cave]

fka twigs reference

[silent reef]

BRO

[quartz cave]

she has a skullet no?

[quartz cave]

wtf not inviting me to lunch,,,

HATES ME

enjoy ur food

[shrewd nymph]

get lifeblood at benches, get a good charm build, practise in HoG
rest of it is boss specific

[shrewd nymph]

who?

[golden glacier]

Chat i got the pure nail :DDDD

[remote bear]

i dont have lifeblood unlocked

and what charm build u recommend

[quartz cave]

some random aah singer

you know the borzoi dog meme song

the "lemme do it for u"

[silent reef]

YESS

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-do-it-for-you-gif-27412761

thats her song

[shrewd nymph]

you can do p1-2eb (as in not all at once - or all at once if you want) to get 3 at the bench

[shrewd nymph]

OH THAT THING

[shrewd nymph]

it was so popular on tiktok

[remote bear]

bindings too hard 😭

k aint doing all that

[shrewd nymph]

strength qslash shaman (or mop if you hate spells) sbody grubsong or something similar for the last two notches

[foggy sable]

and the ^2 died to no eyes

rip

[shrewd nymph]

fuck no eyes

[remote bear]

k

[foggy sable]

I was greedy

if I had been patient it would have been fine but noo I have to be bad the second it requires a tiny bit of waiting

[quartz cave]

no eyes killed my family

[foggy sable]

there's always next run

[shrewd nymph]

didnt her family die or smt

[foggy sable]

yes

[quartz cave]

she had a cult and then when the infection started she ripped their eyes our cause no vision = no dreams (or so she thought)

no?

[shrewd nymph]

i heard something like that in a random hk vc

but those are the same vcs ive heard some outrageous things in so who knows

[quartz cave]

@pliant bough hi pls confirm

[shrewd nymph]

do you just know everyone

[quartz cave]

shes the lore demon fr fr

[shrewd nymph]

actually you only ping girls lowk

[quartz cave]

WHAT

no??? 😭

[shrewd nymph]

you always ping one person uhh i forgot their name

something about a catgirl

[silent reef]

guys how do I use flukes effectively

[shrewd nymph]

#speedrunning if im making an assumption

or speedruning discord

[misty umbra]

Why the fuck i am dying to pv at the end of p4 i radianted that mf

[quartz cave]

oh blubby

[misty umbra]

Maybe i am just playing very agressive

[silent reef]

curry curry

[shrewd nymph]

maya

thats their name

[silent reef]

guess the npc who says curry curry

[quartz cave]

blueberry meow

but thats only two people

out of the 28208494 people i ping

i also ping @acetonecyanide

and @naive dew

hi

[shrewd nymph]

who on earth

[quartz cave]

sigh

@magic glacier

[silent reef]

curry curry

[worn hamlet]

curry's a good food

[quartz cave]

why isnt acetone cyanide a real compound,,,

[shrewd nymph]

HOW am i supposed to know thats smt smt cyaniede

[magic glacier]

b

[quartz cave]

you shouldve been in the server since 2021

[quartz cave]

r u calling me the b word

[magic glacier]

yeah

good job

[silent reef]

FLUKES R FUCKING BUSTED

WHAT

[quartz cave]

omg pattern recognition

[silent reef]

bro flukes r inasen

[quartz cave]

playing league conditioned my brain to recognize insults from the first letter

[rich pike]

hi macaron

[shrewd nymph]

thats only like 4 years and 10 months off when i joined

close enough

[magic glacier]

its a term of endearment 💛

and also calling you a bitch

[finite ember]

is pv harder than normal radiance

[worn hamlet]

hoi krystxls

[silent reef]

guys im scard

[rich pike]

hi axton

[finite ember]

not enough

[silent reef]

guys im dead

[opaque canopy]

be carefull theres some of those annoying spear gaurds in your way

[silent reef]

THIS SUCKS BRO

fuck

[quartz cave]

wow im marrying my perfume

[opaque canopy]

what

[quartz cave]

shouldve joined earlier

[quartz cave]

no YOU are a bitch

[quartz cave]

its true

[shrewd nymph]

bro i started playing hk like 2 months ago

i didnt know about it that long ago

[quartz cave]

WHAT???

[magic glacier]

thanks and/or fuck you

[quartz cave]

how r u already elitist

what the fuck

[shrewd nymph]

FYM ELITIST

[quartz cave]

hmmm what r ur achievements

[shrewd nymph]

im accepting of all

[foggy sable]

wait did yo ujoin here before or after me

[wispy holly]

Ho ho ho !

[quartz cave]

awww np anytime

[shrewd nymph]

this is an alt, my previous account joined like a week after you or smt

[silent reef]

w speed

[opaque canopy]

of course it is his favorite

[shrewd nymph]

ive beaten attuned pv

[silent reef]

do I do bv and lk with shamans or flukes?

[opaque canopy]

he cant eat anything other then void

[quartz cave]

nvm what you actually are a newbie wtf

[foggy sable]

who was the other one

[quartz cave]

i thought u were trolling

[shrewd nymph]

WAIT

ive also done ascended pv

[quartz cave]

yeah thats still newbie

[shrewd nymph]

and radiant

[opaque canopy]

ive done radi

bro'

[brittle crystal]

Where should i use my first simple key

[opaque canopy]

why did you just switch up

[quartz cave]

ehhhh idk pv is lowk easy

[opaque canopy]

i think he lying

[shrewd nymph]

i also did r04^15

[foggy sable]

it is gonna keep going

[silent reef]

shamans for bv right?

[foggy sable]

and there it is

[shrewd nymph]

no that was the last one

he got boring after that

[quartz cave]

i mean im also a newbie its ok

my best achievement is p5eb :(

[shrewd nymph]

ive actually never done p5eb in all honestly

[foggy sable]

smh

[opaque canopy]

wat is eb

[shrewd nymph]

never done any eb except for shell

[shrewd nymph]

bindings not all at once

[quartz cave]

every binding

[wary sphinx]

If you play Hollow Knight Silicon and talk to Sharman, Void's slave, you will learn the secret of Void's food. 🥲

[crude kindle]

ah the way a person plays hk for the first time since sk released

[shrewd nymph]

nobody notable

[quartz cave]

lune when r u gonna do croco

[gray hemlock]

hello people

[shrewd nymph]

@foggy sable what is my best achievement

[foggy sable]

hmm

[shrewd nymph]

how hard is F5 rated

[gray hemlock]

do yall like my profile banner

[shrewd nymph]

im more an alligator guy

[quartz cave]

grey croco p5 when

[quartz cave]

not aware with terminology,,,

[foggy sable]

honestly probably the hardest of your achievements

[quartz cave]

i thouvht u were a real hkmainer

[shrewd nymph]

ik it from genio

[foggy sable]

I'm bad sorry

[quartz cave]

tsk tsk tsk

[shrewd nymph]

this is my favourite achievement probably https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l31KDZ98-ik

[silent reef]

yay bv 1 hr in

[quartz cave]

lies..

[shrewd nymph]

overhated fight

[worn hamlet]

what's croco?

[quartz cave]

ok what the fuck so you ARE elitist

holy shit

[shrewd nymph]

no

[foggy sable]

charmless radiant old nail only

[shrewd nymph]

thats NOT what elitist means

[foggy sable]

which is somehow croco because it is funny

[quartz cave]

charmless radiant old nail only

[shrewd nymph]

crono

[quartz cave]

wait im on a generational 🐌 run

[silent reef]

noo he died

[quartz cave]

elitist is synonymous with elite

[worn hamlet]

so croco can be of any pantheon, or the entire game if ur doing a tas

[foggy sable]

also sorry lune you rank higher on the elitism scale than me because you don't like my nkg s shadow strats

[shrewd nymph]

elitist means you like super judge people

[quartz cave]

once you are an elite you automatically become an elitist

[shrewd nymph]

no?

[worn hamlet]

oh wait charmless is impossible for any% what am I saying

[quartz cave]

yes!!

im elitist despite not being an elite

[shrewd nymph]

i have a sk take thats pretty elitist tbf

[quartz cave]

i love downplaying ppls achievements!!

[worn hamlet]

or wait actually is it

[shrewd nymph]

hk wise im decently accepting

[opaque canopy]

average radiance main

[quartz cave]

please dont talk about silkslop in front of me

[worn hamlet]

are there any charms required for any%?

[silent reef]

im scared

[quartz cave]

i cannot STAND bad games

wrong word capitalized

hmmm should i capitalise bad or cannot

[foggy sable]

I think I've become less elitist over time tbh

[silent reef]

fah

[shrewd nymph]

literally any word works but games

i cannot stand bad GAMES

[worn hamlet]

rippies

[silent reef]

thats even worse

[quartz cave]

why would you capitalize i

[shrewd nymph]

proper grammar

[silent reef]

WHAT

[quartz cave]

ewww grammar

[shrewd nymph]

if you mix up much or many i WILL intervene

[quartz cave]

typing in lowercase is 500% aura

[shrewd nymph]

anything else i can let slide

[foggy sable]

grammar has left at this time of night

[shrewd nymph]

grey its morning

[opaque canopy]

if someone uses grammar their fluent language aint english

[foggy sable]

shut

[quartz cave]

red sky morning

[shrewd nymph]

thats why the sun is up

[crude kindle]

you should use lowercase numbers

[foggy sable]

sun is not up atm

[shrewd nymph]

really?

[foggy sable]

correct

[quartz cave]

i would NEVER be fluent in any language

can i be a language elitist

[shrewd nymph]

i stand corrected then

[quartz cave]

hmm..

[shrewd nymph]

normally its somewhat bright like 4:30

[shrewd nymph]

yes

[quartz cave]

wtf u guys get sun?

[opaque canopy]

fluent means that that is the language you grew up with

[silent reef]

fuck he has a ton of health

[foggy sable]

I still have, like, an hour and a half

[quartz cave]

no 🐊

[shrewd nymph]

my gym has like magnifying glasses as windows so i kinda get blazed everyday

[opaque canopy]

bro im in the 50 degree C outside yet im my skin is GETTING MORE AND MORE WHITE

[quartz cave]

thats the language being your mother tongue / first language iirc

or native language

mother tongue is such a weird term

[crude kindle]

wrong

[foggy sable]

fluency is a level of competency in a language

[opaque canopy]

WHATEVER bye

[silent reef]

ascend

[quartz cave]

here sunrise is 9 am and sunset at 2 pm ish

[foggy sable]

I don't like summer too warm

[quartz cave]

same...

[shrewd nymph]

true

[quartz cave]

anything over 15 °C and im dead

[foggy sable]

give me more colder time of year please

[shrewd nymph]

but it means i can have aircon on 24/7

[foggy sable]

20C is the best imo

[quartz cave]

20 °C is where it starts getting hot

[foggy sable]

maybe a tad colder

[shrewd nymph]

do you get snow in sweden oswald

[quartz cave]

yes

[shrewd nymph]

lucky smh

[quartz cave]

but

the thing is

[silent reef]

ascend

[quartz cave]

the past few years its been fucked

[silent reef]

gorb

[quartz cave]

we get snow super early in the year

followed by rain, then a temperature drop

so you get forbidden slushie first that solidifies and makes the ground very slippery

[shrewd nymph]

here in australia our christmas / new years consists of absolutely devastating storms every other day

its really fun

[foggy sable]

that's just you

[shrewd nymph]

uh yeah probably

[foggy sable]

less north doesn't have that

[quartz cave]

north...

[foggy sable]

devastating storms aren't a thing here

[shrewd nymph]

we missed two months of school or smt because the tornado storm or whatever its called

[shrewd nymph]

but movie trope of snowball fights outside the school

[foggy sable]

oh yea yo uget cyclones

skill issue

[shrewd nymph]

it was a derecho

[silent reef]

mateo

[quartz cave]

i missed like a year and a half of school

[shrewd nymph]

whattt why

[silent reef]

HOW TF DO I DO THAT SKIP

[quartz cave]

oh i didnt go to school in egypt, schools were lowk unsafe

[foggy sable]

melbourne has basically no fires, floods, or cyclones

more places should consider it

[shrewd nymph]

you wet to egypt???

[craggy panther]

the hk animations by stellamarius are really good

[quartz cave]

but it didnt matter cause i started with ppl my age anyways

[silent reef]

flukes rbusted

[quartz cave]

ive lived there for like 3 yrs

yea 3 yrs

[shrewd nymph]

bro we have atleast 2 devastating floods and cyclones each summer

[shrewd nymph]

bro where havent you been

[silent reef]

I DID IT BOYS

[foggy sable]

tragic

there was a small earthquake here once

which was fun

a sum total of one(1) building got damaged iirc

[shrewd nymph]

how recent was that

we had a super minor one somewhat recently

[foggy sable]

a few years ago

[shrewd nymph]

oh nvm then

[foggy sable]

we're too far away to feel your earthquakes

[shrewd nymph]

i keep forgetting aus is actually like big

[quartz edge]

D:

[shrewd nymph]

and you arent (reasonably) walking distance

[silent reef]

GRIMMOTHY

[maiden quail]

Hey guys

[foggy sable]

very, which is why you get weather events and we don't

[quartz edge]

He's not gonna...

yk...

[foggy sable]

you live very far north and melbourne is very very south]

[maiden quail]

Oh no no he just went for a Lil swim

[shrewd nymph]

is melbourne in vic??

[foggy sable]

yes

south middle of vic

[shrewd nymph]

oh.

[quartz edge]

D:

[silent reef]

grimmothy

[maiden quail]

Obv he can't swim with a sword

[quartz edge]

Ah ah, that makes sense

[foggy sable]

here

[shrewd nymph]

im not that north tbh

wtf victoria isnt landlocked ????

[silent reef]

rate the char m build chat

[foggy sable]

no...

[shrewd nymph]

i thought maybe it had some eastern beaches

[foggy sable]

melbourne has a huge port

[shrewd nymph]

NEVER did i think it had a southern ocean

wtf i dont know my country at all

[foggy sable]

need to do more geography

[shrewd nymph]

also im not north at all

[maiden quail]

I think you'd be better off swapping fluke nest with shawmens

[foggy sable]

queensland is relatively north

[silent reef]

oh

[shrewd nymph]

im maybe perfectly centred

im very south qld

[silent reef]

why?

I thought you got it early to use it

[foggy sable]

oh so more like brisbane

[shrewd nymph]

i might actually be perfectly centred (north south wise)

[maiden quail]

Shawmens is alot more versatile

[shrewd nymph]

yes

[maiden quail]

Buffs spells in general by 50%

[shrewd nymph]

i went up to brisbane today

[quiet dew]

112% done. Now I must complete P5

[shrewd nymph]

but i dont live there

[naive dew]

@quartz cave hiii

[foggy sable]

pretty close to halfway

[maiden quail]

Woo good job

[foggy sable]

but compared to where everyone lives north

[shrewd nymph]

its so dense south east aus i stg

comparatively dense

wait is act a state

[rare aurora]

australia more like

badstralia amirite

[foggy sable]

no it is a territory like NT

[foggy sable]

so true

[shrewd nymph]

eh im agreeing atm

20 days off christmas and its this hot

[shrewd nymph]

is a territory not a state what

[foggy sable]

it was like 23C today here

[rare aurora]

hahahahaha bad hemisphere moment

[foggy sable]

both act and nt are territories

[shrewd nymph]

ok i know its ai overview but why is NT a state and not ACT

wait

ITS NOT

WTF

[foggy sable]

act being australian capital territory

[rare aurora]

where is new zealand

[quartz cave]

idk like everywhere lowk

[shrewd nymph]

i imagine act as like buckingham palace lowk

[foggy sable]

that's why they only have 2 senate seats

iirc

[silent reef]

BRO MY AUTO SPLITS STOPPED WORKING

[shrewd nymph]

sheep place

[rare aurora]

have you lived in eritrea? didn’t think so

[foggy sable]

what is that, it isn't on my map

[rare aurora]

an australian state

[silent reef]

BROOOOOOOOOO

ALL MY SPLITS STOPPED WORKING 1 AND A HALF HOUR IN

[foggy sable]

well it is closer to sydney than perth is

[shrewd nymph]

im down to replace tasmania with nz honestly

[foggy sable]

I'm gonna put a flukemarm thumbnail on this r5 video

[silent reef]

BRO WTF IS GOING ON

[foggy sable]

for tradition

[silent reef]

nice my splits fully fucking broke

[fallow grotto]

?ban

[foggy sable]

actually I'll do that tomorrow

behold
https://youtu.be/AhT9uYKTrik

[shrewd nymph]

omg

r5^2 next if you think about it

technically

[foggy sable]

I can't be bothered to give them names

[shrewd nymph]

mathematically

[foggy sable]

so true

I am at about 10% consistency over the last 2 so maybe

[civic scarab]

Square root of P5

[foggy sable]

suffering

[quartz edge]

Grumble grumble lol

[shrewd nymph]

r5(5) is just r5*5 therefore r5^2

only 1 left

[foggy sable]

true

every run so far has got further so...

I'm going to sleep now though so gn!

[desert stag]

Is it possible to beat HK without getting mantis claw?

[humble mantle]

how do I do damage to Uumuu if I js keep bouncing off it when I attack

[shrewd nymph]

in godhome or in fog canyon

[humble mantle]

fog canyon

[shrewd nymph]

every now and then, quirrel will come by and break the shield. you can attack her for a little after he does that

then you wait for him to break it again

[humble mantle]

oh okay ty, so its just "how good are you at dodging electricity" essentially?

[shrewd nymph]

nothing to say, thats literally it

[silent reef]

broo why does ts happen to me

they js broke

so fucking nanopying

1 and a half hour gone

[quartz cave]

yes thats what im saying i lowkenuinely havent been anywhere

[fallow grotto]

isn’t it a time loss

to talk here

and give updates

🤔

[silent reef]

my splits broke

so

run is lost

[fallow grotto]

pretend it isn’t 😊

[silent reef]

Im running so I can get a run to compare w

[solar rover]

And here i cant get out of greenpath in steelsoul if i leave zote to die

[quartz edge]

What's the health scaling in Colosseum?

I upgraded my nail 3 times, yet it still takes like 3 hits to kill the little red flies, and 4 hits for most other things

That's ridiculous.

[silent reef]

dont think it scales

js use great slash and dashslash

[quartz edge]

Sigh, fair enough

[solar rover]

get pure nail and nmg to quickly use nail arts

another try at steelsoul mode. one of these time i will get past green path with zote dead

[quartz edge]

Where do you get nmg?

[solar rover]

nail masters glory you get from sly after you have all three nail arts i think

[silent reef]

sly

[vivid creek]

Grey's gotta do it 125 times in a row after r5^2 for r5^3

[proud haven]

Hi people

[quartz edge]

Ah okie, I'll go back to him now

[proud haven]

Your name and profile picture are so heroic

[fallow grotto]

hello.

[sleek crescent]

Nightmare king Grimm is awesome as frick

[proud haven]

I realized recently I never say hello in person

[proud haven]

W

[fallow grotto]

“frick”

:how:

[sleek crescent]

Yeah frick

[fallow grotto]

that’s a bad word man

[sleek crescent]

Sorry dude

[indigo goblet]

The pale lurker felt like a fever dream, I’ve never seen him mentioned outside of one ccmaci video, why was he added????

[fallow grotto]

no your not

[sleek crescent]

He’s awesome as flip

[fallow grotto]

FLIP

wow

and you did it again

[proud haven]

For a kings idol location and nifty lore

[sleek crescent]

Flip is bad?

[fallow grotto]

why are you questioning

[solar rover]

Tbh, I don't think even the knight was pure since the beginning of the game... his eyes in the first cutscene just looks so dreadful, not empty even tho they are

[fallow grotto]

stop questioning

[light drift]

uuwuu

[proud haven]

And prob just to make colo seem a bit more like
Of a unique thing

[fallow grotto]

not everything needs to be answered

[indigo goblet]

Bc he was in my dreams last night and ran off with my switch

[proud haven]

I think he does all of that fr

[fallow grotto]

he’s actually the reincarnation of the pale king

[proud haven]

What a lie

[fallow grotto]

he was in my dreams

and ran off

with my

[solar rover]

lol

[proud haven]

I believe u

[vivid creek]

Basically just a way to get a 4th key to enter godhome when godmaster dlc came out

[solar rover]

i also has a dreams about bugs the night before... i think i am playing too much

[indigo goblet]

Damn realy?

[warped siren]

thoughts on this tier list of bosses? (in terms of how fun they are to fight in the game both in overworld and in hog/pantheons)

[fallow grotto]

i had a dream

[sleek crescent]

Anyone got tips on beating p5

[shrewd nymph]

LMAO

[indigo goblet]

I thought one of the shop simple keys were added for hodmastera

[fallow grotto]

where the knight started speaking fluent french

[proud haven]

That's the best reason and I named everything else fr

:((

[fallow grotto]

and then the pale king came in with an ak4^

[rich stone]

Why is AbsRad B tier

[real otter]

hollow knight is too easy to be your favorite to fight

[fallow grotto]

and then got whacked with a baguette

and then the knight started doing a dance 😂

[warped siren]

hollow knight has goated lore
were you not impressed the first time you fought hollow knight

[sand coral]

Guys is that the radiance

[fallow grotto]

and then anyrad4.0 came to me

and made me fight it but itl

irl

pretty nice dream though

[proud haven]

I really like white defender and thinkeh should be S
same with zote and absrad probably but mostly white defender

[fallow grotto]

solid 7/10 dream

[real otter]

well yeah but you said how FUN they are to FIGHT

[warped siren]

fine i guess

[proud haven]

Hype lore can make a fight fun imo

[warped siren]

yeah

[proud haven]

like for me Gerson in deltarune is like 200000x cooler cuz of lore and hype

[real otter]

it was epic the first time

[warped siren]

hmm

i guess you do fight thk multiple times for radiance

[proud haven]

For me hype lore can carry boss fun forever lowkey
Like Ludwig in bloodborne too fr and Gehrman

[real otter]

but then it was just dull cus now i just see him as the blocker to radiance

[proud haven]

I replay those games to fight those titans

[real otter]

and i love fighting radiance

[proud haven]

But I get like really entranced into games

[fallow grotto]

the lore carrying the entirety of undertale:

[proud haven]

And feel really in em

[fallow grotto]

😳

[warped siren]

p5 :(

[fallow grotto]

no one would play undertale

if it didnt have hype lore

[proud haven]

Yeah the lore is like by far the best part for me

[warped siren]

thinkeh?

[proud haven]

I'm glad hk has great combat alongside it fr

[proud haven]

Think he

Sorry for the typo

[warped siren]

yeah i don't like wd that much tbh

[real otter]

abs rad is harder radiance (i love fighting radiance but shes too easy) so i think it will be my favorite fight easily

[proud haven]

I love him ogn

Ong

[warped siren]

i guess gpz could be b tier

[warped siren]

ik but having to fight her last every time you want to beat p5 is pain

[proud haven]

white defender gets carried by lore for me

Cuz he's the only pale knight we get to fight

[warped siren]

true...

[rich stone]

P5 does suck but AbsRad is fun

[vivid creek]

Practice difficult bosses in hall of gods so you can comfortably handle them when you reach them in p5
A pretty strong generic charm build is; quick slash, strength, steady body, mark of pride (or shaman stone if you don't need the extra range), grubsong/nmg or another 1-notch charm of your choice

Ddark is also really strong, can use it as a second i-frame dodge a lot of the time

[proud haven]

W take

[sleek crescent]

Thanks bro

[real otter]

P5 is my least favorite pantheon due to how boring it is till the last 10 bosses 😭 they should have just made P5 the last 10 bosses

[sleek crescent]

I just need to master nightmare king Grimm

[warped siren]

i think having to beat the first 30 bosses before you get the last 10 is part of the challenge

[vivid creek]

I suggest practicing ascended markoth too, lol

[maiden quail]

This guy knows ball

[warped siren]

i dont really like steady body tbh
i go qs strength shaman longnail/spell twister except for the section with markoth in it

[maiden quail]

Thiss ^^^

[real otter]

it’s not a challenge if you can beat them without fail every single time it’s just annoying

[proud haven]

I used to watch this flat earth/antivax/anti5g/conspiracy debunker named SciManDan and the Dunning Kruger effect in your name is something he would mention about every single video fr
I'd sleep to that guy daily for eons

[warped siren]

the challenge is not being worn out when you get to the last 10

[rich stone]

It's just so boring most of the time I wish the easier bosses just were removed from the phanteon

[real otter]

im not worn out im just bored and annoyed

[real otter]

fr

[vivid creek]

I chucked in my name the other day because I realized it's pretty applicable in this discord sometimes, lol

[real otter]

i cant get to abs rad due to how frustrating the entire first like 35 are

[shrewd nymph]

Theyre significant in challenge versions of p5

[proud haven]

Lolol that's super fair

[real otter]

we’re talking modless/without bindings

[quartz edge]

Hehe... thank you

[rich stone]

Yea but that doesn't make it any less boring

[real otter]

and besides if you’re ready to do binding p5 then the first 35 are still easy

[proud haven]

If for every boss you thought was boring they doubled them and made you fight two at once would that fix the issue

[shrewd nymph]

I dont see the issue with them? If theyre easy then theres no issue

If theyre hard then it makes more of a point of its difficulty

[vivid creek]

Time for double markoth
Might as well removed all but 1 platform too

[shrewd nymph]

it also leads into why p5 isnt a %, its optional

[sleek crescent]

Bet, I think I’ve got him down, but I’ll still practice him for sure

[real otter]

we’re saying it’s annoying and boring to have to fight through 35 bosses wasting like 30 minutes of your life every time you die at like nkg or markoth or pv or abs

[rich stone]

It's just that every time you die to the hard parts you have to do the boring easy bosses which at 1 point gets tiring

[proud haven]

Imo super easy bosses that like
Feel genuinely bad don't even exist in p5 for me
Winged Nosk might be the closest i think

[proud haven]

If it's too boring it must be done

[vivid creek]

👍
How are you with zote & pure vessel?

[shrewd nymph]

Thats part of the difficulty. They didnt make it a % for that reason

[sleek crescent]

I’m alright with pure vessel, and I’ve got zote pretty good

[real otter]

no- how is that difficulty? thats just an annoyance.

[proud haven]

Lune for you personally what's the most like
Boring lame I don't really enjoy this at all boss

[warped siren]

winged nosk is painful, its goddamn hitbox is too big

[proud haven]

Endurance is a skill

[shrewd nymph]

Because you have to maintain the knowledge of fighting those bosses

[proud haven]

Consistency is also needed more

[shrewd nymph]

And once again, its not a %

Practise in HoG so you dont have to reset

[proud haven]

I thinkt hey suck cuz they're lame

[shrewd nymph]

HoG entirely removes that issue

[quartz cave]

why are we talking about hk go to #off-topic pls

[shrewd nymph]

Galien

[fallow grotto]

guys!

[shrewd nymph]

Or elder hu

[fallow grotto]

we’re supposed to talk about hk!!1!1!1!1!

[vivid creek]

I'm not lune
But I just wanted to mention that basically all the dream warriors are absolute stinkers

[silent reef]

diabetes any%

[proud haven]

if they DOUBLED GALIEN AND HU would you be happy

[fallow grotto]

wait

🤔

[real otter]

i don’t even need to maintain the knowledge i could forget how literally any of the first 30 bosses attack and still beat them like i did sob and winged nosk first try how are the easier ones gonna be any different

[quartz cave]

ts is so tuff twin im crine twin

[shrewd nymph]

With that opinion you might as well be me

[fallow grotto]

wait.

[fallow grotto]

twin tuff ✌🏽

[proud haven]

I think I like No Eyes the most

[fallow grotto]

😂

[runic shuttle]

yo 😭

[quartz cave]

waiting

[vivid creek]

I suppose we've never been seen in the same room
Could be true

[fallow grotto]

wait.

[misty umbra]

112% + P5 in 15 hours :steamhappy:

[shrewd nymph]

As i said, HoG doesnt have any bosses before the hard ones. Practise there until you dont have to reset so often

[proud haven]

They do all kinda just suck more than the other bosses

[quartz cave]

sigh.

[shrewd nymph]

Any pantheon would get annoying if you practiced the final boss through the pantheon

[real otter]

still annoying, especially when you just want to get abs rad in hog

[proud haven]

Fuck yeah

[fallow grotto]

but

some guy did it in 1 hour 49 mins

[real otter]

no it’s how unnecessarily long it is

[fallow grotto]

how does that make you feel

[pseudo bridge]

Pop is actually a pain in the ass

[shrewd nymph]

If p5 was just that last segment then any form of bindings or challenge would just be removed

It's necessary

[real otter]

it would be genuinely fun if it was just the last ~15 bisees

[proud haven]

So sorry for you hero I hope you win!

[misty umbra]

It makes me very sad. I'm going to cry right now.

[pseudo bridge]

Thank you

[quartz cave]

p5 is an unskippable cutscene + absrad lowk

[proud haven]

If it was just those last ones I think I'd have r5 fr

[real otter]

are you forgetting that the first 4 pantheons are only like 10 bosses? there is NO need for every single boss

[misty umbra]

I third tried p4 but first tried p5 for some reason

[vivid creek]

Yea
Early p5 has some fairly rough fights for challenge runs
Marmu & galien to name a couple

[misty umbra]

I really suck at pv

[shrewd nymph]

Its called an analogy

But still, you have a very simple solution of HoG

[real otter]

marmu is easy though

[shrewd nymph]

Choosing not to practise is self inflicted difficulty

[vivid creek]

Not in challenge runs

[shrewd nymph]

And blaming the game for that is silly

[shrewd nymph]

[real otter]

it doesn’t matter if you practice, it’s the god damn nerves knowing your so close

cant really practice that shit at any time

[shrewd nymph]

If you practise enough, the nerves might decrease your performance but not so much to where you lose

If you keep dying to markoth or whatever then just go to HoG and ensure that happens alot less

Its there for that reason

[vivid creek]

^ this
If you have measured responses prepared for what most of the bosses can do it might also help nerves too

[real otter]

still annoying as hell when i practice nkg markoth and pv a ton and then die and have to do the entire thing over again

[quartz cave]

p5ab progress-difficulty graph (stolen)

[proud haven]

I think if P5 was like Hornet 2, SoB, Winged Nosk (EW), TMG, Traitor Lord, Oro Mato, Sheo, Sly, Tyrant, White Defender, GPZ, Lost Kin, Failed Champ, Watcher Knights, NKG, PV, Absrad
That might feel more like an upgrade while shortening it a lot but not insanely
Just cut out fluff and dream warriors

[real otter]

like why are you so adamant on saying all bosses is fine

it’s just annoying

[shrewd nymph]

Because thats the whole design of p5

[vivid creek]

What's the first spike?

[real otter]

THIS we need THIS

[proud haven]

It's fr a boss rush

Tbf

[misty umbra]

Its named Pantheon of HALLOWNEST

[quartz cave]

||gruzmother||

[real otter]

name it something else

[proud haven]

Like I get why they did everyone

Fosho

[vivid creek]

[misty umbra]

Pantheon of some bosses like yk the strong ones

[shrewd nymph]

Its designed to test your ability on all bosses in the game. No one is forcing you to do it, its made for people to test their skill on the whole game and not a concentrated group like 1-4

[quartz cave]

guess the spikes fr fr

[shrewd nymph]

You arent forced to do p5

It isnt a %

[quartz cave]

yes you are

[real otter]

no its because i want to fight abs rad thats the only reason i keep trying to do p5

[shrewd nymph]

It would completely ruin bindings and challenge runs if it was just the last segment

[quartz cave]

it'd hurt my ego if i was stuck on 62/63,,,

[shrewd nymph]

Then go complain about r5 instead of p5, lot more material there

[rich pike]

all of them are massive moss charger

[real otter]

yk if p5 was just the last 20-10 i can guarantee that someone would make a mod thats just our current p5

[proud haven]

If anything I was just shocked when I got to godhome and like
The dream warriors and soul warrior and moss chargerwere bosses
I viewed them as like SUPER TOUGH ENEMIES but not bosses in the main game

[quartz cave]

lowkenuinely how do people dk r5ab when collector is a thing

[shrewd nymph]

Whats the point of that when 1-4 already have those bosses.. they have to be unique

[rich pike]

they don't, all attempts are faked

trust

[shrewd nymph]

They dont

[covert meteor]

You know what Team Cherry should have done
Make the "sun" visible in the Dream World everywhere
That way, when you fight the Radiance, it hits 10 times harder, because the sun was always there the entire time
You just didn't know what it was

[real otter]

i knew mossy and dream warriors would be there but soul warrior shocked me i didn’t even consider him a super tough npc

[quartz cave]

@magic storm how can beat collector radiant ab

[quartz cave]

very likely,,,

[proud haven]

I like this idea a lot W Noelle

[real otter]

they don’t though

[shrewd nymph]

so just end the trend randomly..?

[proud haven]

Fair

[vivid creek]

Assuming the graph encompases the entirety of p5ab, 'm gonna guess;
Gruz mother (ig), marmu, galien, hive knight, collector, zotekoth, nkg, pv, absrad
Imo collector spike should be larger, zotekoth spike should be larger, pv spike smaller, absrad spike a bit smaller

[rich pike]

The only person who could ever do r5ab is Teano trust

[shrewd nymph]

i cant believe i have to reiterate this. You are not forced to do p5

If you just want absrad, go to a gs save and edit her in

P5 is for people who want the achievement of beating p5

[rich pike]

pv ab is not that bad

[proud haven]

they forced me cuz my friend said "you probably can't do pantheon of hallownest either" after quitting the game fr

They MADE me

[shrewd nymph]

so ur friends are the design flaw then

[worthy peak]

this graph needs annotations

i don't know what some of the spikes are and i want to

[proud haven]

It's true but I was forced by law ong

[shrewd nymph]

Gruz mother? Hive knight? Nkg?

[vivid creek]

Idk what else that spike wuld be that late into the pantheon
Also nerves get pretty bad by that point, I took like 4 hits to pv in my successful run

[proud haven]

Then again I am really glad hollow knight has an all boss rush cuz growing up every game I've ever played I've wished for a boss rush to fight all the bosses back to back

Literally they never do it

I love hk for it

[vivid creek]

Idk what else those spikes would be
Imo vfk-ab is harder than gm-ab

And nkg is free even with the nerves

[shrewd nymph]

P5 is a great idea purely because its not a %

[rich pike]

How do you take four hits in an ab run is insane

[proud haven]

It's like how sekiro and lies of p have optional boss rushes that do nothing to your save

Frfr

p5 just feels ig a bit more like "necessary" cuz it has an ending

[quartz cave]

the person who made the graph said

Answer
||Gruzmother
Gorb
Xero
Oblobble into sob
Galien
Winged nosk into sly
No eyes (no patience)
markoth into gpz
end||

[shrewd nymph]

I just dont see how any of the three are really harder ab, i always do then hitless and im careless

[vivid creek]

Had 6 lifeblood
Was down to 2 reg masks at the end

Then took another 4 hits in absrad but was able to heal enough to win

[quartz cave]

i didnt make it grrr 🐊

[shrewd nymph]

Bro what 😭

[quartz cave]

what...

[vivid creek]

Huh
Not what I expected

[rich pike]

even if you have no patience no eyes is easy lol

[shrewd nymph]

I mean no absrad in itself is confusing

[vivid creek]

^

[quartz cave]

end = absrad

[shrewd nymph]

but also like wosk and sly?

[proud haven]

Hm

How odd fr

[shrewd nymph]

And no marmu

[vivid creek]

And gorb/xero

Aren't bad imo

[proud haven]

Absrad is the crazy one to me

[fresh wedge]

hiwhat

[quartz cave]

absrad is there but its labeled as "end"

[shrewd nymph]

Gorb i wanna speak on but ive gotten hit way too often by cancelling wings with m1

[proud haven]

Ohhhh

I mean fair actually fr

[shrewd nymph]

but wosk and sly are chill

[proud haven]

Markoth gpz is the biggest one before absrad if like

You sat in HoG at all

[quartz cave]

imo

[proud haven]

Based

[quartz cave]

(not mine either)

its not like ive ever tried p5ab,,,

[vivid creek]

Pretty much, agree with that more
I'd chuck marmu in & switch gpz/collector spike ampletude tho

[solar rover]

going overcharmed in green path even tho i am unable to avoid a hit

[misty umbra]

If you kiss it you will be gifted a charm

[proud haven]

I haven't done p5ab yet are you able to heal in marmu at all if you get hit

[solar rover]

yeah even i forgot what that was

[shrewd nymph]

Nah

[proud haven]

That fucking SUCKS

That's gotta be the hell one

[shrewd nymph]

Not without rng AFAIK

[vivid creek]

Nah
2+ hits is normal too, often a lot more

[proud haven]

That sounds like that'd be the worst thing on earth fr

[quartz cave]

i feel like marmu is like gpz / nkg / galien / other dream bosses

once you get hit, its much easier to fall out of tempo and start getting hit more

[shrewd nymph]

Ddark carries the fight in p5ab

[proud haven]

Gotta get my ab save fully set up at some point

[vivid creek]

ab marmu is pretty long
Lot's of chances to get dunked by marmu

[proud haven]

I don't remember how far along it is

[quartz cave]

has lune done p5ab

[shrewd nymph]

a few times

[quartz cave]

WHAT

[fresh wedge]

unfair

[quartz cave]

wtf elite,,,

hop on elitism when

[shrewd nymph]

I'll upload it when i get a sub 10 hit but havent done it in a bit

[shrewd nymph]

Maybe

[proud haven]

I am so cool and good at hk that I am elite >:)

[quartz cave]

teano got summoned by r5ab disc

[vivid creek]

xD

[shrewd nymph]

r5ab seems like such a strong mental challenge

[quartz cave]

wait connor have u done r5 / p5ab / r5ab

[shrewd nymph]

And thats my weakpoint

[real topaz]

why might a randomizer multiplayer not connect because it sits there loading forever for hollow knight

[shrewd nymph]

For sure

[proud haven]

Not even close fr
I think the coolest thing I have is like
A mildly fast time in path of pain

[shrewd nymph]

and just longer attempts so less attempts

[vivid creek]

Is the difference between r5 and r5ab greater than the diff between p5 and r5?

[real topaz]

anyone gonna help

[shrewd nymph]

#1057825333841240104

[rugged storm]

nobody answers there

[quartz cave]

#1057825333841240104

[proud haven]

Also I am currently playing through hk with nail 2 8 masks on console so I can practice ab and be good at godhome one day 🙏

[young canopy]

#randomizer

[shrewd nymph]

Patience

[rugged storm]

what if there is no time for it

[shrewd nymph]

No harm asking there anyways

[quartz cave]

times not running out lowk

[rugged storm]

depends for who

[proud haven]

Hard ass line drop

[vivid creek]

Fair enough
Maybe one day......

Then again I'm already getting my ass whooped in r5 so maybe not

[proud haven]

I believe in you!

[willow flame]

what charms should i use for radianc

[shrewd nymph]

Just remember that enraged guardian walls hurt you

[vivid creek]

[analog apex]

hi,

[proud haven]

r u going for radabsrad or just practicing normal
If you can afford to overcharm like in radiant then
Quickslash, Strength, Shaman stone, sbody, soul eater
If you can't overcharm do the same first 4 then do a 1 notch that you like

[willow flame]

im getting radiance ending

[young canopy]

Heavy blow

[willow flame]

good joke

[proud haven]

Honestly maybe just keep that build if you're like really comfy with your extra spells and healing

I think shaman stone s like

Super super helpful tho

the damage upgrade is crazy ESP in radiance

Cuz shriek

[willow flame]

does it make abyss shriek bigger

[vivid creek]

Shamans shriek is really good against radiance

[willow flame]

the only spells ican land r abyss shriek

[fallen widget]

Is there any notable difference between ascended and radiant? (aside from the no hit thing)

[vivid creek]

Yea, and it's a 50% damage boost

[proud haven]

That's fair shriek spam is amazing

[willow flame]

oh

what should i replace by it

[proud haven]

I'd drop the quickfocus unfortunately fr

[vivid creek]

Quick focus imo

[shrewd nymph]

It makes it bigger? I thought it was only shade soul 😭

[willow flame]

quick focus is my main one icl, i cant land heals without it

[vivid creek]

Maybe I'm wrong
I thought it made everything bigger tho

[proud haven]

Hmmm honestly strength

Quickslash too good

Esp with all the other soul charms on the build already

[willow flame]

alr

[shrewd nymph]

I'll have to check tmrw

[vivid creek]

Oh yeah
Isn't it like ungodly early in the morning down unda?

[willow flame]

thk soundtrack is so fire

[proud haven]

Good luck homie

[shrewd nymph]

4:06rn

[proud haven]

Bro sleepy time ong

Konk shoo even

[shrewd nymph]

I should

Goodnight cool people

[winged granite]

Where did bro go

[proud haven]

Peace lune

[vivid creek]

gn

[proud haven]

fuck

No idea

[winged granite]

I just got beaten out of Pantheon on three and dude disappeared

[proud haven]

Probably stuck behind a door

[quartz cave]

gn lune

[winged granite]

No, I can move

[proud haven]

Dream nail up

[winged granite]

My dream nail is all the way outside of God home

[proud haven]

nuh uh

Dream nail upwards

[cerulean crescent]

guys i got early access to silksong

[winged granite]

Who's going to tell him

@cerulean crescent there's something you need to know

[willow flame]

y is radiance fought in dream world though

[cerulean crescent]

wjat is it

[winged granite]

THE RADIANCE is in the dream room

[vivid creek]

Just checked
Yeah I think it's just shade soul that gets the size boost

50% dmg on shriek is still worth for radiance tho

[winged granite]

Silk song is already out

[cerulean crescent]

npo it isnt

[winged granite]

Explain this to me then

[cerulean crescent]

thats fake

[winged granite]

I literally just took the photo

[worn hamlet]

man ragebait is so dumb

[young canopy]

I'll defeat pv with one hand which @wind garnet can't do

[cerulean crescent]

wait could u look at my tag real quick

[cerulean crescent]

dude i KNOW im in the silksong server

[fallow grotto]

hand reveal

hand reveal

[winged granite]

I can't tell the difference my autistic dumbass is not fully awake yet

[willow flame]

which is better grubsong + another 1 notch or soul catcher

[fallow grotto]

hollow knight series

has ss in it

[winged granite]

Don't know what's so interesting about that

[fallow grotto]

it’s very interesting

[vivid creek]

Probs grubsong
Soul*catcher is only 3 extra soul per hit, 11 hits to get enough bonus soul from the charm for one extra heal or spell