speedrunning

[steady lynx]

They'll be fine

[half jacinth]

why am i on 30 frames

[steady lynx]

Because

Older patches of this game run like trash on most PC's

[chrome portal]

whats a split

[sage moon]

It tells you at what time you did a predetermined thing (If you're using an autosplitter, you can also bind a key to manually split whenever you like), depending on your Livesplit (The timer you see most speedrunners/streamers use) settings it can tell you all sorts of things (What the timer was at when it split, how long it was from your last split, the difference in time to previous attempts on that specific split, etc.)

Most runs are never ruined, it's just timesave for next run

[viscid creek]

I have a problem. I used steam downpatching to be able to run 1.2.2.1 but whenever I go there in my library, it says this. Refreshing does not help.

wait never mind restarting steam fixed it

[wary star]

hi ! i have a little problem, how can i make livesplit run in the background ? it's above my game and i dont manage

[stable quarry]

Go to the settings and uncheck always on top.

[wary star]

where ? i dont see it

[chrome portal]

how DO I beat wk with just vengeful like bro people keep saying "dont get cocky and ez" while they have the speed of light and the hitbox twice the size of the fucking sun

[wary star]

ok i get it

[chrome portal]

like one will do the long roll and one with do the jump roll making it completely and utterly undodgeable

to the point where its actually impossible without iframes

[wary star]

do you speak about watcher knight ?

[chrome portal]

yes.

[wary star]

my tip will be do it for hours with pauses it become easier with a lot of practice for jump timing and eight, try to split focus, if you kill both of them in one VS you can heal up

poggo them is safe for getting soul , if they are starting to jump a and you are corner you can walljump

[sage moon]

Edit Layout -> Layout Settings

[chrome portal]

I have a speedrun save with 2h 43m and the only split left is thk y'all think I can still do sub-3h?

[digital jewel]

yes

[spare depot]

i agree its very annoying, the only advice i have is to stay close so that way if they bounce they bounce straight up and they also nail swing more, you can also usually get heals while one is dead

and also pogoing more

[stable quarry]

The advice that helped me a lot is using your perifferal vision more so that you know that it's comming.

[night herald]

With proper spacing that’s always dodgable 90% of the time, don’t get cornered on 1 side of the arena. However, you want to hit both of them at once when you cast spells so the ideal position is you being in the center and both live knights to the side, and even more ideal if one of them is rolling away as you can get multiple hits

Also pogo is necessary yea

But I always found the focusing on the spacing of where you are in the arena helps

The thing about bosses in hollow knight is at least in my experience is that they actually get exponentially easier as you get better at them because most of my dmg happens when I’m trying to heal, and using soul for spells ends fights faster so there’s less to dodge

So it might just be worth practicing them until you can do it with little or no healing

[queen vessel]

is someone know why in this guide they dont kill Soul tyrant ? mistake or ST just dont give any % of progression ? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/scqia

[steady lynx]

Soul Tyrant does not give any completion at all

And it's also one of the bosses that appears in Godhome regardless of if its dead

Since GPZ is hard required you can also reach 2400 essence for ascending Seer anyway

[chrome portal]

first speedrun

how'd I do

[torn locust]

That's pretty good for a first

getting the under 5h is always nice

[queen vessel]

is that worth for grim too ? if i skip N grim . is that mean i will be able to finish the panteon 5 ? 😂

all my game are 111% i have never done the last panteon , that a very hard challenge for me

[steady lynx]

You need to either banish or kill NKG for the %

[queen vessel]

but if i banish her , do i have to fight her in the panteon ?

[steady lynx]

Yes

[queen vessel]

Rip

[chrome portal]

why do so many people have their game language set to chinese in speedruns like even on speedrun.com the ones with the little american flag next to it have their language set to chinese

[steady lynx]

Chinese text scrolls faster

[low saddle]

Hi im trying to do the acid skip, and I nail it sometimes but sometimes don't... is there an alternative to reach uumuu? (i'm no-hitting it so speed doesn't matter... and i don't know if this is the right channel for asking)

[weary root]

only other ways to get to uumuu are either getting ismas tear (which means either getting a simple key and fighting dung defender or doing an even worse series of acid skips + a spike tunnel) OR getting shade cloak (which means fighting Hornet 2 in Kingdoms edge and then going to abyss). Both options are probably a lot longer/harder than the acid skip

If you really don't want to do the acid skip I'd recommend dung defender -> ismas

[low saddle]

thank you

i just found out that, somehow, it's more consistent to stop on the platform and do the acid skip than running from the start of the room and landing there

[lyric ridge]

my first “speedrun” was just steel soul completion cause i died so many times i got pretty quick and beat it 2 hours 15 if i skipped getting crystal dash and stuff could have been faster

[coral shore]

Skip getting crystal dash? How are you planning to get Monomon?

[wicked trench]

Isma's Tear I'd say

[coral shore]

I mean, yeah. But i'm not sure that getting dung defender and ismas is any faster then getting cdash. Although, I'm no steel soul expert. Maybe that's what they do to get right side access anyway

[rapid nest]

currently steel soul gets cdash but the new slopeball route gets ismas

[loud thistle]

I'm no speedrunner by any means, hell, I haven't even beat the game yet, but I'm curious to see if anyone has a speedrun with a handcam. Just thought it would be interesting to see something like that

[lyric ridge]

could have at least skipped double jump

[silk flint]

is there any pantheon 5 live splits im able to download

[analog monolith]

for keyboard or controller? id bet i could pull up a couple for keyboard but idk any for controller

if u dont need a handcam and just want input overlay theres tons of runners with that, off the top of my head unyo has a controller overlay and i have a keyboard overlay on runs

but handcam is harder to find

[sage moon]

https://hksplitmaker.com/#p5

[silk flint]

thank you so much

[open silo]

just wondering, how do you get the "speedrunner" role? The announcement said to ping Simo, Benji, or one of the mods, but that sounds like they'd get a lot of pings that way

[formal bough]

The speedrunner role has been made obsolete due to us moving to a different server

[open silo]

gotcha

thanks

glad someone told me before I pinged lol

I mean, I probably wouldn't have pinged but anyway

[formal bough]

The new server has a bot that does it, but in the olden days there was a speedrun.com moderator role and they got pinged regularly for the role

[open silo]

gotcha, thanks again!

[barren magnet]

I've been out of the loop for a while. Is the new trick useful in any% NMG?

Wouldn't see much sense in skipping cloak cause how in thr hell would I do epogo

[stable moon]

epogo is possible without dash

[barren magnet]

So skipping cloak is viable?

[stable moon]

Slopeball saves significant time in current patch any% by making wings+ismas route optimal

No, cloak is way too fast to skip

[barren magnet]

Ah alright then

Then I don't really have to learn it I guess

[glossy dirge]

very sick fact, never knew tbh

[marsh cedar]

I just did my first speedrun! 1h 14m 40s, 16% completed, only using satchel and custom knight. No unintensional deaths! IK this probably isn't the best for some of the people here, but I decided to post this anyways.

[proud talon]

Hello guys i got a problemabout the modding, i tried the randomizer and the gun mod which was fine at first but when i disabled it my focus button isnt working anymore though i can still use skills (which is the same button for heal) what do i do?

[formal bough]

#archived-modding-help

[viscid creek]

Does anyone know all the spots where the game hard saves so that you go there when you quit out? I know dirtmouth and ancestral mound are two of them but what are the others?

[digital jewel]

dreamers, shade cloak, king's brand

desolate dive

there's loads. not sure if there's a full list

[viscid creek]

ok thanks, I was just wondering why the any% speedrun doesn't quit out after lurien

[digital jewel]

yeah that's why

[coral shore]

Also Godhome at some point hard saves you at HoG bench at some point. And at it's central bench when you get to the main island iirc

[analog monolith]

junk pit hardsaves you at the godseeker when you get close enough and godhome hardsaves you at godhome bench once you get close enough there as well

[gilded axle]

[wanton kelp]

Hey, im learning the any% route based on Fireb0rns guide. Im having a rough time with quick VK, is there a backup strat or somewhere to grab that geo later?

I can get it like 2/10 times. If anyone has any tips id appreciate that too

Any% NMG* Sorry still new to this lmao

[analog monolith]

theres a slightly easier strat that doesnt have to do the inputs as quickly or precisely and it loses around 3-4s if i remember correctly? let me find a video if i can

what part of the quick kill are you having trouble with?

[wanton kelp]

Thank you! Lining it up, then when i do land the first nail hit i miss the fireball sometimes

Mostly its lining up the first. If i could consistently get the 1st nail then i can grind the inputs. 3-4s loss is fine too though it's my first run

[slate steeple]

not a runner but I pick up small tricks here and there so I think my experience might be applicable: full jump, where you're jumping from also matters. iirc fireb0rn's vid gives a visual cue (practicing nail cancels to get the inputs is probably a good idea, and helps with all other combat)

[wanton kelp]

What are nail cancels? I love learning mechanics, i cant find anything on that

[stuck raptor]

cast a spell before the nail animation finishes

there's a small window where you can cast a spell or perform another action before the entire nail swing animation is done

[slate steeple]

Yup, if you aren't already using quick cast for everything add this as another thing you'd want to use quick cast for

[stuck raptor]

quickcast is better than using focus for casting in every respect

[knotty vigil]

i wonder why there isn't an official ingame thing that tells you about quick cast--other than opening the keybinds menu--like they do with other abilities

[grave kiln]

Wait, does this mean people are running Mag ismas now?

[analog monolith]

no one is seriously running it at the moment afaik, but it is optimal

[rare delta]

Do you guys use debug mod for practicing? If you do, do you manually disable the mod before going for an unmodded official attempt? Just wanting to know if there is a more efficient way to toggle

[knotty vigil]

if you're going for official attempt you can't even have the modding API installed

you have to revert back to vanilla by verifying integrity of game files

[rare delta]

thx

[vagrant warren]

most people who run seriously have multiple game versions installed, that they switch between.

[golden rune]

Hello

[glossy dirge]

When generally starting out speedrunning any% what are things that i HAVE to lear (example menu dropping, fireball skips etc)

[final elk]

The route, boss fights

[glossy dirge]

i see

[final elk]

Spire skip

Shade skip as well, every other skip is small and not required to follow the route

[glossy dirge]

might grab a run from speedrun.com to see these things in actio

[final elk]

The two skips are both forgiving

[glossy dirge]

i can actually do shade skip

on switch tho lmao

[final elk]

Yes I very much recommend watching runs

Do yoi plan to run on switch?

[glossy dirge]

pc

h=own it o switch as well

quality picture

[final elk]

If you can hit the skip on switch, you’ll be able to hit it on pc

[glossy dirge]

well im slightly doubtfull but ty anyways

i not only wish switch was downpatchable (like the switch and hk) but that 1.2.2.1 existed on switch

bc th e earliest is lifeblood update if im correct

[stuck raptor]

it literally wouldn't run

the switch is not strong enough to run 1221

TC did a huge code rework because their optimization was awful. This is why the switch release was so delayed. It took super long to update the code

and one company they hired to help them update the code actually quit b/c it was so bad

[glossy dirge]

btw di i HAVE to fullscreen ffor official runs?

[stuck raptor]

no

[glossy dirge]

thank god

hk was not meant for my laptop tbh

but unfullscreened it runs like the switch would on 1.5.xx

which is pretty darn good

ok so the smartest thing is to use that one mod that you caan do like states wt to practise skips

right?

[nocturne summit]

Hey does explosion pogo work on current patch?

[formal bough]

it's different

since you can't pogo the actual explosion

you have to instead pogo the sporg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

is a good guide

[bright lion]

a

hi

HI

#off-topic

[last idol]

hi, my livesplit stops the timer after beating p1, no matter what settings I use, can someone help me pls?

[digital jewel]

what are your intentions

[last idol]

get to godhome ending

[digital jewel]

where did you get your splits?

[last idol]

not using any splits

[digital jewel]

you have splits if you're using livesplit

can you show your settings and everything?

[last idol]

i just have a random split just to start the timer

i just want to see my time without loads

[digital jewel]

and you didn't pick like, finishing p1 as that split?

[last idol]

yup

no matter what splits/settings i use, it always stops the time after p1

[digital jewel]

it's hard to help without you showing anything

[candid ingot]

So rules wise, does anyone know if using a camera to record the screen is allowed?
Ps5 capture software caps at an hour and i cant consistently get times under an hour

[weary root]

Yeah pointing a camera at the screen is fine, just make sure that nothing is obstructing it and that the games audio is audible

[candid ingot]

Cool

Thankyou

[weary root]

The other thing you can do is stream your run to twitch and then save it as a highlight

[candid ingot]

Good point, i didnt think of that

Thankyou double

[queen birch]

I have the potential for sub-45, but I keep dying to THK

[shrewd socket]

i’m kinda new to speedrunning and i made this route for myself, haven’t tried it yet

after doing a nail 0 spellless playthrough, i’m a lot more comfortable with fighting bosses without nail upgrades

[coral shore]

If you don't have troubles with practicing one acid skip (not hard one) then you can route out ismas, and got to deepnest via sporeshroom entry

And get to monomon via acid skip from crossroads

[shrewd socket]

true, i’m not really comfortable with acid skips yet but I can practice

[coral shore]

And as far as I can tell, this would be pretty close to any% lp route (the one that has runs, actually). Except geo, which I'm not sure about

(I'm not an expert in any% though, so don't quote me in things I say)

[shrewd socket]

btw i’m getting spore shroom for a good source of damage, combined with defender’s crest it does like 40 damage

and it’s not too far off the main path

[rigid garden]

why does fireball not hit him?

[final elk]

Looks like it went right over the hitbox

[rigid garden]

no way this is over mossy

[final elk]

Ok nvm, I guess I’m not familiar with the vs hitbox

[steady lynx]

Iframes

[glossy dirge]

What is generally more efficient, controller or keyboard

[pallid aspen]

controller

[glossy dirge]

and why is that?

[rigid garden]

those exist in such conditions?!

[final elk]

I didn’t know iframes were ever relevant except when it comes to doubles and spells

[final elk]

Either

[pallid aspen]

because controller superiority ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid garden]

then why i did not ever see a speedrun where those happen, like hornet fight

[glossy dirge]

i was rpactising watching fireb0rn and dirst thing i noticed was a ps controller thats why

[steady lynx]

Because runners space attacks properly

[coral shore]

Spire shroom is a good desicion, especially on lp, where THK gets damaged a lot by those (I don't know why exactly, but simply using it even without additional charm notch (not sure if overcharm or instead shamans) increases the speed of a fight significantly

Not sure about defender's crest though

[steady lynx]

Python neglecting to mention Spore shroom om THK was patched out in 1.5

[regal cargo]

does anyone know how to do auto splits for Pantheon 1???

[steady lynx]

Hksplitmaker.com

[coral shore]

Sorry. Not an expert in any% or something. Thanks for correcting me Gusten

[shrewd socket]

I play on the switch version btw, in my nail 0 spellless playthrough it shredded through THK

[coral shore]

Yeah, switch is 1432 iirc. (Dont kill me Gusten if I'm wrong)

[steady lynx]

Switch runs on 1.4.3.2 so adds up

[rigid garden]

then if it goes several frames inside him it still does not hit, are those poorly-coded?

[steady lynx]

It's almost like iframes are frames when even if an attack would connect normally it'll not hit

[regal cargo]

Thank you so much!

[sonic moon]

So question I've been playing hollow knight for a decent while now and thinking about speed running it. however I use the steam controller support to make the controls more comfortable for me I have it set that the right analog stick is a attack input while simultaneously being a movement input is that a problem ?

[vagrant warren]

I belive rules state you cannot have multiple actions on one button for runs

[rapid hare]

anyone have a macro set up for fire ball skips?

im trying to set one up but if im moving mid air i just stop and shoot a fire ball

i dont turn around

[final elk]

Are you on kb?

[rapid hare]

mouse

[final elk]

Kb and mouse?

[rapid hare]

yes

[final elk]

You need an socd cleaner I believe

[rapid hare]

thats what im used to

well my mouse has a built in one

[final elk]

Ok, I literally don’t know anything about socd cleaners other than they’re supposed to make fb skips better, this is the extent of my knowledge

If you already have one, that’s all my controller gamer brain can do

[knotty vigil]

You don’t need socd cleaner for fb skips, although it is harder

[rapid hare]

same, im used to console and have never messed with a macro before, i just got this mouse like an hour ago

[final elk]

Your mouse has an socd cleaner?

[rapid hare]

wait do you have to hold left and right at the same time to fbs?

[knotty vigil]

No, not on keyboard

You have to let go of left, turnaround and fireball almost instantly

Getting the timing right is tricky

[rapid hare]

thats why im trying to make a macro

[analog monolith]

note that macros as a whole are entirely banned for hk speedrunning; all button presses must only cause at most 1 input

so basically you just have to let go of forwards, tap backwards, and press cast

[knotty vigil]

Keyboard players

[rapid hare]

yes ik

[analog monolith]

socd cleaner is the only thing allowed to artificially "unpress" the opposite direction

[rapid hare]

i came to the speed running channel bc i figured you guys would know

[analog monolith]

ah

so not for e.g. submitting to boards, but just for playing?

[rapid hare]

i would run the game but i cant fire ball skip or acid skip

[final elk]

Neither of which are required for most cats

[rapid hare]

fair

i have the speedrun 1 achievement

and i was cutting that close

[analog monolith]

(if you're worried about not being able to run due to those, fireball skips are entirely avoidable for ~15s timeloss and the only required acid skip in any% is the one into canyon)

[rapid hare]

granted i got it from a randomized run

but still

[analog monolith]

but if you really need a macro for fireball skips, i would probably recommend making an autohotkey script

[rapid hare]

a what?

[analog monolith]

i cant help more since idk much about ahk but that seems like the easiest way to do it

autohotkey lets u make scripts that run a macro on pressing a key

or on a lot of other things

that would likely end up being the easiest option for a macro

[rapid hare]

well i have it mapped to m8 on my mouse

[analog monolith]

have what mapped? quick cast?

[rapid hare]

the macro

although i do have quick cast mapped to my dpi changer

[analog monolith]

hmm doesnt look like ahk supports farther than m5

might have to look for smth different then, i dont know much else that could help unfortunately

[rapid hare]

welp

oh well

i mean if i just jump it does it just fine but if im holding either direction it just shoots a fire ball

[rapid hare]

ok do you know the timing for one?

a fire ball skip that is

[heavy vigil]

my first speedrun was supposed to be sub-5 to get the speedrun two achievment, its almost a sub-3 lol

[high grotto]

hey guys im trying to down patch hollow knight through gog galaxy right now but when i go to the configure tab under manage installation i dont have the option to change my version

[stuck raptor]

then your version isn't from gog

[high grotto]

so do i have to get the gog version before i downpatch

[stuck raptor]

no

where'd you buy the game from

[high grotto]

steam

[digital jewel]

downpatch with steam

[stuck raptor]

^

[high grotto]

ok thank you

[digital jewel]

incredible

[rose geyser]

So ummm dunno if anyone asked before ((there probably were

How do you guys deal with the game-freeze bug when going though Resting Ground in the any%? (1.2.2.1)
It happen to me randomly either when I enter through the ground, or before getting the dream nail.

It happened to me on all 3 PC I have so I guess it isn't just a mine problem? Im so tired of it alwayssssss fuked me up when I having a good run... 😩

[verbal stag]

make sure you're grounded before interacting for the second one

not sure what the first one is

[loud thistle]

What is QGA?

[torn locust]

Queen's Gardens Acid

I might be very fucking wrong since I don't speedrun

[coral shore]

But you are indeed very fucking correct

But generally it refers to a Queen's Garden Acid skip, which is precise cdash from a wall in acid

[thorn lava]

how to do too hits on false knite wile he in the air?

[loud thistle]

Oh alright, thanks

[weary root]

The first one is something that happens when you have "native controller input" enabled in controller settings. The setting legitimately does nothing but cause issues so make sure it's turned off.
The second one as jo said above is because you interacted with the scene trigger while being slightly above the ground. Make sure you're grounded and not in the middle of a dash or anything before interacting and you'll be fine 👍

[sage moon]

Time your jumps well and don't upswing until you're at the peak of your jump

[summer frost]

Quick question for anyone who is willing to help i play 1.4.3.2 and i do any percent current patch speedrunning and I lose like 75 percent of runs to Uumuu and im wondering if someone could give me some tips to get better at the fight

[sage moon]

Does this help at all?
https://youtu.be/9RSvZtV50K0

[formal bough]

livesplit

use livesplit

[umbral fern]

hey does anyone have any timer sites for speedrunning

[formal bough]

on windows it's an application and can be used to remove loads, otherwise livesplit one is probably the best

Keeping pace properly isn't really a thing. what does pace mean? It really really depends on what route you're doing and how fast you're going

No but like how would you know what to split to match the 5 hour estimate

There isn't a standard set of what you get and there isn't a standard set of the speed

If you want to make a set of splits you can check out https://hksplitmaker.com/

Honestly, hitting the 5 hour estimate is really really doable if you just know where to go

I wouldn't be so worried

are you on windows?

Then download https://livesplit.org/

actually let me just point you to the livesplit guide

brb

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

[limber charm]

Is it against the rules to use a health bar mod to see enemy health bars?

[knotty vigil]

Yes

It’s against the rules to have any kind of mods installed

Including the modding API

You need to have a 100% vanilla game to have your run be verified

[limber charm]

ok, Thx

[knotty vigil]

What no glitches run

Are you talking about a specific category?

[vagrant warren]

There are multiple nmg categories. Check out the HK Split Maker website

[knotty vigil]

What category bruh

Any% True ending low% which one

https://hksplitmaker.com/

[pearl umbra]

hey ! just rejoined. finally getting back into the speedrun this time on pc. was really interested in autosplit features and it seems to actually start livesplit but it can't identify when game time is actually running, so when you first load into kings pass my timer never actually starts counting. if i start / split with my regular hotkey or reset, any standard functionality its just always stuck at 0? anyone familiar with this issue or would doing manual splits just be be better?

[thorny musk]

@pearl umbra Open the autosplitter's settings, are there any autosplits?

[pearl umbra]

oh wow ty i guess they got reset?

i did actually do them, do autosplitter settings save to a file at all. like the same way you can save layout and split configuration?

i think that fixed it

i happened to notice my timer running as i was doing the auto splits, tysm

[thorny musk]

the autosplitter is a bit funky sometimes

[pearl umbra]

thats what i heard from a lot of different ppl as well, wasn't sure if it would just be easier to do manual tbh.

[thorny musk]

manual is definitely worse

and you would lose the load remover

[pearl umbra]

i see. ty for the insight. so ive come across my other many number of issues with hk on pc so far. other than reloading at benches and the kings pass skip is there any high apm skips that require the pause feature in any% nmg.

[formal bough]

you don't pause during skips

[pearl umbra]

i meant more like the skip at the beginning of the game, to gain control of your character early

[sage moon]

It doesn't work on current patch

[pearl umbra]

i downpatched to 1.2.2.1

do people run on current now?

[formal bough]

people run on both

[sage moon]

Well I guess it doesn't work on 1.2.2.1 either

[formal bough]

Anyway, there are not any other situations that you would pause in the middle of a skip, correct

[formal bough]

no, the pause is to gain control

that you way you can inventory drop

[pearl umbra]

yea escape is just really far out of the way so i didnt know if it was worth the effort. because the program im using also disables my ability to basic attack unless i do some really weird remapping / external program use. i found a thread on speedrun.com talking about it.

i use a button remapping program to move escape to my mouse button but it just doesnt seem like its worth the hassle so i was thinking about just learning the trick without the remapping.

[thorny musk]

moving it to mouse is a weird choice, unless you do other stuff on mouse

but mouse bindings are weird on 1221 anyway

the general solution is rebind mouse buttons using blue.exe, then binding hk actions to the blue.exe buttons

[rose geyser]

Thanks for the reply, but I just checked my setting the native controller input in always off

[weary root]

interesting, if you look in the pins of this channel you'll find a link to the HK speedrunning server try posting in the # Help channel there

More likely to find someone who's run into the issue before there

One thing you could try is deleting the registry
in the downpatching guide(https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten) there's a section called Deleting Windows Registry that tells you how
This will reset all your HK settings but it often helps with weird niche issues

[wary star]

after learning the route ! and finally do some runs i got a first time of 50:32 in any% nmg let's go

uumuu in less than 5-6 cycle looks bullshit for now

[celest geyser]

50:32
50:32
maybe its cause i'm a current patch runner that my times are so much slower, but HOLY CRAP NICE JOB!

[past edge]

nice one

[pearl umbra]

yea i use mouse and key for controls, wasd for movement attack and soul use on right click

[thorny musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/836158058157703188/blue.exe

left click is h, right click is t

[pearl umbra]

but yea blue is what i saw ppl suggesting, i decided to just use default controls and it works fine not a significant time loss.

my issue is just after using x mouse i cant even use my mouse even after i uninstalled it

like its continuing to mess with mouse inputs after ive uninstalled the program

i have to rebind my attack before a speedrun or during a speedrun everytime

[thorny musk]

no clue what x mouse is or how you messed it up

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pearl umbra]

me either 💀

x mouse is a mouse button remap program, i was using it to press escape on my side mouse buttons

but apparently its an issue with 1.2.2.1 so i got rid of it because the hassle of doing constant remapping between 3rd party programs was pretty annoying

now it just messes up anyway, if anyone has had a similar issue lmk, im just gonna try and do a fresh install

[rigid sundial]

what do you think about no dreamnail any%

I'd personally vote for major glitch

[fading steeple]

where do the votes happen?

(same)

but yeah how does one vote

[formal bough]

if you don't know, you probably shouldn't be voting

And you need a run on the leaderboard

[fading steeple]

ok fair

but what I mean is

where is the place I need to be

[formal bough]

And btw the mods are also leaning towards simply banning it instead of voting but that still is to be determined

(and if you want to figure out information regarding a channel, try to figure out places where you might be able to find it)

[rapid jungle]

almost a sub 40

[woeful oar]

i could never speedrun hk I actually suck

but nice run

[queen birch]

Just practice low equipment watcher knights for a few days and you should be good enough for sub-1h

[silent gulch]

other than the fall trick involving the menu, are there any other changes involving running on the latest update

[rapid jungle]

inventory dropping is one of the main reasons i downpatched lol

but to answer your question, no not really, from my experience, you can still get a very decent time on current patch

[formal bough]

I mean current patch is on different boards

because there's also lever skipping for one

[rapid jungle]

lever skipping is another thing yeah

[formal bough]

and uhh slopeball I guess but I don't expect that to be relevant

there's probably a dozen other small changes

[weary root]

there are a bunch of small things: Epogo is different, can't do baldur quick kill, a bunch of bosses have higher stagger counts

the list goes on

[queen birch]

Watcher backrolls

[knotty vigil]

They fucking suck

[steady lynx]

Imagine running on patches where WK can backroll

[formal bough]

you run on every patch

you can say nothing

[silent gulch]

any good current patch runs?

[steady lynx]

This is false

I do not run on 1.5

Also most 1.0 patches

Any that aren't 1.0.3.7

[final elk]

Rare photo of gusten supporting lp

[steady lynx]

1432 is the best patch with Godhome

1221 is the best patch overall though

[silent gulch]

Do people edit the timer to stop during room transitions or does it do it automatically- if so how?

[steady lynx]

We have a load remover for that in livesplit

[queen birch]

The first time I used livesplit, i thought it was broken until I found the “compare against” option

[steady lynx]

We have game time as default now

[silent gulch]

What do you mean

[fresh spade]

I assume there hasn't yet been a poll if 1.2.1.1 should be allowed in No Major Glitches?

[thorny musk]

99% it won't be

[fresh spade]

It's prob gonna save like a few minutes, which is a lot in speedrunning

[final elk]

Won’t save a few minutes because of the time you lose getting city access and uumuu three cycle and a few other minor stuff i believe

[final elk]

Also timeloss from no lever skips, losing time on dreamers because of how much of a process it is with nail

[fresh spade]

Oh yeah

[rapid nest]

why would city access be any slower?

[slate steeple]

Would also require major changes to geo routing: can’t open geo chests so you’d miss out on watcher’s geo

[queen birch]

You would need a bit extra cash and the rafters seal probably

[heavy spear]

So what percent is required for low% Godhome order?

[sage moon]

Not sure what the exact number is, but I think you get all movement abilities (other than Isma's Tear) and the only spell you get is Dive

[heavy spear]

Do you even need Crystal Dash with stallball?

[weary root]

Yes for white palace

[heavy spear]

Oh yeah, void heart

[stable moon]

Is wings just for gpz?

[glossy dirge]

so rq

ive started setting up my livesplit but im having issues using autosplit (do not send me to https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl) i have been here but i dont know wat im doing wrong

so..?

[sage moon]

Well I'm certainly not an expert, but I'll try to see if I can help

1. This is probably the second dumbest suggestion but have you checked if your splits (The autosplits, not the ones on the table) are there? (They probably are since it sounds like you did it manually instead of downloading them from https://hksplitmaker.com)
2. Did you turn on the autosplitter (This is the most dumb suggestion, in case you couldn't tell)
3. You need to have Hollow Knight open, then open Livesplit, then start a new game
4. Try searching for anyone who might've had similar problems in the past (Using the searchbar on the top right, which you probably already knew)

[glossy dirge]

this is very nice of you IsThis ty il try it

[sage moon]

Good luck and no promises that any of it works

Sometime Livesplit just likes to not work

[glossy dirge]

do i press on the + and add scriptable auto splits?

[sage moon]

It's under Edit Splits -> Settings

[glossy dirge]

like your split names ngl

[sage moon]

Why thank you (Insert relevant emoji here)

[glossy dirge]

But wy is settings greyed out

[sage moon]

You might wanna press this

[glossy dirge]

my dumbass WHAHAH

[sage moon]

I did the exact same thing

Took me longer than I would like to admit to find it

[glossy dirge]

what do i press now?

[sage moon]

Settings

[glossy dirge]

yea after

[sage moon]

Do you have a list of splits?

[glossy dirge]

basics

[sage moon]

Try seeing if it works (Open and close Livesplit if you opened it before Hollow Knight)

*Close and open

Not open and close

That would be dumb

[glossy dirge]

so just close and open live split

[sage moon]

After opening Hollow Knight, yeah

[glossy dirge]

so now i close after opening hk

[sage moon]

My brain hurts

You have to open Livesplit after opening Hollow Knight

You're making me question my knowledge of the English language

[glossy dirge]

yea tat

Sorry LMAOOO

[sage moon]

The "+" adds things to your layout (Purely aesthetic)

[rapid nest]

40% with gpz, 39% without

[sage moon]

*(Except for what isn't)

[glossy dirge]

i ❤️ u tysmfor helping!!!

[sage moon]

Glad I could help (Frantically looks for relevant emoji)

[bright trench]

bleo

[timber raft]

Somehow this happened

[glossy dirge]

...what

12m 17s

13*

what kind of shenanigans did you pull

i can imagine being a dreamer and like 3 mins after i dream-blasted this one but he is alr here

[queen birch]

Mods kinda screw with things like completion %

[digital jewel]

I'm pretty sure rando calculates % completely differently

[vagrant warren]

yes. it's based on the number of checks rando'd in the seed

[median gull]

checks found/checks rando'd

[coral shore]

nah, it's just a 1211 X low% ag run. WR btw, iirc

[rapid jungle]

my splits are even more basic lol

[stable moon]

credits roll is not a split you should have

also I assume you have ordered autosplits off?

[rapid jungle]

its just there because i dont like manually ending runs

its not a split

and they are ordered, yes

[steady lynx]

You literally just turn off end triggering autosplit and the timer will just end when credits roll

[rapid jungle]

meh

doesnt bother me

[weary root]

Does credits roll even split at the right point?

[steady lynx]

It splits like 0.1 seconds early, a bit inconsistent last time I tested

[pure epoch]

:0 new low%

[vocal rose]

Now the new low% wr

[vocal rose]

Damn didn't see this

[ionic python]

help

live split wont start the timer when i start a new save, what am i doing wrong?

[weary root]

make sure you have autosplits set up correctly

[ionic python]

i followed fireb0rns tutorial and got the split file from hksplitmaker

[weary root]

should have splits like on the left, and auto splits like on the right, but for whatever category you're running

auto splits are found under the settings button highlighted blue here^

[ionic python]

i assume ive got to activate configurable load remover/auto splitter?

[weary root]

yeah hit activate

to activate the autosplitter

[ionic python]

got it

thats what it looks like

just the any% preset, didnt change anything

[weary root]

👍 that should be good now

[ionic python]

so i started hk and restarted livesplit and and i get this O.o

open split doenst do anything

[weary root]

hmmm try close splits first

[ionic python]

same thing

ill uninstall livesplit and redo everything, i guess i messed up somewhere along the way

[weary root]

hmm redownload the splits file from hksplitmaker

[ionic python]

ye, brb

thx for help btw

[weary root]

np 😄

[ionic python]

so i reinstalled everything and the same thing happens

strangely the splits reappear when i close hk

[weary root]

huh

[ionic python]

exactly my thoughts

[weary root]

can you try "close splits" while HK is closed

than open HK and try open splits

[ionic python]

and leave livesplit running?

[weary root]

yes

[ionic python]

same thing happens, everything is greyed out

[weary root]

what do you see under "edit splits"

[ionic python]

only activated auto splitter, didnt touch anything else

[weary root]

oooh what is under "edit layout"?

[ionic python]

also didnt touch anything

literally just opened the split file and activated auto splitter, left everything else as is

[weary root]

OK well I'm confused

I'm going to point you in the direction of the speedrunning discord, there's an invite in the pins of this channel^
Ask in #tech-support there

[ionic python]

same ^^

alright, will do

thanks for your effort, youre a legend ^^

[silent gulch]

Is livesplit the thing that also stops the timer running during room transitions

[true palm]

its a tool in livesplit ye

[wary star]

let's go after 45 runs in 2 week i've got the first time where i'm pretty happy with how i played, i got a 42:03

[formal bough]

<@&283547423706447872> random self promo as their only message in the server I don't think that's allowed

(also typing @ mods didn't want to tell me how to ping mods I copied id to ping is that my end or is there something weird going on)

[glossy acorn]

It's showing up for me

Ah well

Discord being Discord

[formal bough]

okay that must be on my end then well discord being discord

[glossy acorn]

anywho thanks for the ping

[queen birch]

I can now do QGA about 4 times out of 50... is that worth to try in a run?

[wary star]

yes you can just farm heal in the room before it's very slow but np

[formal bough]

Are you doing current patch or 1221?

[queen birch]

1221. how slow is it compared to the queen's station deepnest entrance?

[formal bough]

okay iirc the number is like 40 seconds

let me see if I can find confirmation

[final elk]

Yeah that’s what gwonkee told me

[queen birch]

if I have to go back to heal twice, that's +8 dream nails + a lot of healing time

sounds like a rate closer to 1/5 would be necessary to save time on average

[formal bough]

yeah probably, it's probably worth it for you to go through queen's station enterance instead

[final elk]

I mean 8% consistency imo is not worth going for in runs if you’re just trying to get a competitive time, but if you have a slower pb, it can be worth just to get some practice for once you start to get higher level times

[queen birch]

pb is 43:52 now

I can't even 2-cycle uumuu

[final elk]

“Even” 2-cycle uumuu is really difficult and top runners still miss it occasionally so it’s nothing to feel bad about

A 43 is a respectable pb

[wary star]

my best uumuu ever is 4 cycle so

[queen birch]

my PB gets a 5 cycle

[wary star]

i have a question, i sent my firsttime on speedrun.com but my split dont show real time, is it a big issue ? i put the time from the end of the game but i know it's different

[formal bough]

real time doesn't matter

[wary star]

ok fine, all the people had a real time when submit so i wanted to ask

[final elk]

If you do want an accurate real time after running, you can open livesplit and click compare to real time

[queen birch]

new anyrad pb: 7 health going into platform phase
still died there

[knotty vigil]

You guys know the map warp glitch?

[stable moon]

no

[final elk]

Staxis doesn’t know a glitch? Must not exist

[formal bough]

I mean probably they've seen a glitch and just don't know how to explain it

since a lot of glitches involve map I imagine a couple can be thought to be warps

[stable moon]

yeah my guess is they're talking about soobs and not recognizing what happened

[coral shore]

I mean, if you think about it, there was a certain period of time, when Gusten knew a glitch Staxis didn't. The glitch is called 1211 X

[knotty vigil]

what..

[south herald]

really?

[knotty vigil]

bro?

[south herald]

seems that your speedrun got messed up

muting causes you to lose time

[knotty vigil]

lol

[south herald]

I’ll ban in you in about two hours or so dw about it

[steady lynx]

Muting to mess up the ban run

[knotty vigil]

yeetshan likes milk

[steady lynx]

Based

[knotty vigil]

its time to say goodbye

[steady lynx]

I think this is the first troll who didn't separate speedrun into two words which is something

[bitter pine]

I did 4hour speedrun in steel soul, this was my first speedrun and my first steelsoul run and i haven't really prepare for it thats why it took 4 hours but how much time is the best any% ss run

[stuck raptor]

36:25

[bitter pine]

Well, im not a speedrunner after all and my goal was to do it under 5 hours

[wanton kelp]

How much geo do i need to collect by the end of city of tears? Still learning the splits and i wanna make sure im collecting enough in my practice

Sorry for any% NMG

[weary root]

you need at least 2322 geo leaving city

the rest of the geo you need comes from beasts den devouts

[last idol]

Figured out why my livesplit timer was always stopping after pantheon 1, it was the other savefiles I had. I'm dumb lol

[finite crater]

anyone got an invite to speedrunning server?

[wraith trellis]

?pins

[sick raven]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[finite crater]

thx

i always forget pinned messages are a thing

[calm bronze]

ok im new to speedrunning and i lost a bet to my friend who said i had to do it in under 1 and 30 mins is that easy

also

how do i set up splits 😭

on livesplit

[steady lynx]

Sub 1:30 is relatively "easy"

Could even use Shade Soul route which really makes the run easier to finish

[final elk]

Use the wonderful site “hksplitmaker”

Assuming you already have livesplit set up

[civic iron]

hey friends i have a quick question. i am not a speedrunner by any means but i have been developing a challenge run and currently the only issue is a specific jump in crystal peak
sorry for the terrible image quality i ripped off a relyea video, but can anyone tell me if this jump is possible with just the mantis claw/vengeful spirit or if it can be shade skipped or something and if so. how.

[steady lynx]

Low% NMG does that jump with VS and claw only

So probably

[civic iron]

oh shit nice

thank you very much!!

[steady lynx]

Be warned though, its a bit precise

[civic iron]

honestly i just wanted to know if the run was theoretically possible

[steady lynx]

Rhino makes it look easy but it's one of the harder movement tricks in any main run

QGA still worse imo though

[civic iron]

thank you again man

[stable moon]

What’s the run?

[last plinth]

is murder myla% a category?

[final elk]

I believe so

[inland egret]

Kind of cool

[last plinth]

no reping 💀

thought it was something importanttt

like

ss released

[timber raft]

I played rando and this just popped up

[viral tide]

man I hadn't played the game in a while and had the impulse to do my first any% run...I get the impression that 7 and a half hours is slightly subpar

[sage moon]

Basically wr if it wasn't for bad Watcher Knight RNG

[analog monolith]

yep! myla% is a category on the meme boards: https://speedrun.com/hkmemes#Myla

[molten plinth]

lmao

[glossy dirge]

these emotionless fams

[patent spruce]

My first speedrun

[lyric cliff]

Italiano

My first time "speedrunning" the game was a complete disaster
I finished the game with 22% xd
Hollow knight low equip is kinda hard tbh

[patent spruce]

Si

[patent spruce]

I was stuck at watcher knight 2 hours in the speedrun, so I went to get all the other abilities for a little help.

[austere flume]

yeah bro i had the same yesterday i couldnt beat watcher knights and quit the game, then cried myself to sleep

okay i didnt cry myself to sleep

but i gave up bcouse it was just such bs

me being bad i mean

so i guess today im gonna pracitce watcher knights and try again

[patent spruce]

Good luck

[lyric cliff]

Lol

Low equip watcher knights is quite fun
One thing that I hate is the fact that I have super LOW EQUIP
Im going to the hollow knight with vf desolate dive and nail 1💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[patent spruce]

To say, I had less problems with Hornet sentinel with just the first nail upgrade

[austere flume]

with dive its pretty fine

[austere flume]

yeah hornet sentinel isnt that hard but watcher knight for some reason is

i think its becouse when i first beat them i was way too overprepared and just tanked everything while spamming ddark

its so hard when you have 1 nail upgrade and only vs

and i just suck

[lyric cliff]

Wait

Hornet sentinel?

You wanted to get shade cloak?

[austere flume]

bro what

I got kicked from the speedrunning dc becouse i sent a laughing clash royale king vid

Banned*

Can anyone whos a mod like unban me im not a troll, i was just trynna be funny :/

[weary root]

this is literally the channel you sent it in

[austere flume]

Oh

Yeah my bad i guess, but why an instant ban it was an honest mistake

[steady lynx]

"Oh a chat named serious where they discuss banned members and the topic says to keep jokes out of there, time for my first message in the server to be me trying to be funny in there"

[austere flume]

Im just stupid okay

But im not a troll

[steady lynx]

Either dm ins0mnia or Xero about it then

[austere flume]

Will do, thanks

[wary star]

can someone tell me how many time does wallcling storage from blue lake save ? i'm sure with my level it's not worth going for it but it look so cool i want to know

[formal bough]

a couple seconds iirc let me find the exact numbers

(also note that it's on 1.2.2.1)

[wary star]

yes i'm running on it

[formal bough]

hmm I'm not finding the timings I know they exist, I know the WCS in the other direction saves 3 seconds

(which isn't useful for many categories but that's for some reason what discord search wanted to point me to first)

I'm seeing if I can find a better one

Okay the answer is "between 1 and 4 seconds depending on how long of a setup you do"

[wary star]

ok so if you do it perfectly it's 4 second i will try it ty for the answer

[final elk]

Also there are different setups which use different numbers of nail slashes

[sage moon]

Oh boy, another loodle enthusiast

[sage moon]

Than tomorrow shall be the end of an era...

[quartz rover]

help

i found this skip

idk if its useful for yall speedrunners but like

[wary star]

someone have a vid or and explanation of the trick to have no knockback on the nail swing ? usefull for mount ?

[quartz rover]

its called steady body

[wary star]

all i got by searching is the charm

[quartz rover]

it is a charm

sinple

[formal bough]

If you nail slash early so that your nail doesn't hit the planks on frame one you can continue moving without stopping

[quartz rover]

yep

[formal bough]

trinomi planks is the name

[quartz rover]

also whats yalls opinion on that clip i sent

[formal bough]

relies on low fps

The height of a pogo varies depending on your fps

[quartz rover]

i see

[formal bough]

if you have a low enough fps (or just a frame drop) you can pogo high enough for that

[quartz rover]

would it ever be useful?

[formal bough]

Doing things that requires low fps is not allowed

[quartz rover]

as i presume it requires low frames like fireball pogo

[quartz rover]

why

[formal bough]

Low fps < 50 fps

Setting fps to 50 is fine

But like they don't want to force people to play at like 20 fps and they decided the threshold is 50 fps

[quartz rover]

i have about 60

so

its doable on 60

i hope

around 50 to 60

[formal bough]

I suspect that's a frame drop

Is it consistent for you?

[quartz rover]

i see

no

it isnt because its hard to get the jump right

i either jump too low or too high

[stable moon]

I’ve seen this before, it’s probably t-ft memes (and low fps as well)

Not consistent enough to be worth going for most likely

[formal bough]

I mean consistent isn't a word in 4ms vocabulary

[bleak dove]

speaking of fps i cant stream on discord cause i have 5 fps and it never loads help

btw i have a mac

[patent spruce]

I was just accustomed to it and this being my first speedrun, I had to get it.

[lyric yew]

Hey, I wanted to start speedrunning path of pain, but if I select start-triggering autosplit at path of pain room 1, it already "completes" my first split as soon as I enter. How can I make the timer start upon entering the room, but not completing the first split?

Oh wait, I think I just fixed it, I had the room also as a split triggering event, sorry

[soft current]

Hi! Familiar with HK, new to speedruns. Hoping someone can share a decent time split layout for the 5 hour achievement, going for any% NMG, fireb0rn guide style. I know I'll finish it in less than 5 hours, but it would be nice to have benchmarks keeping me close to that 5 hour mark.

I've done a little bit of research, but have found it to be inconclusive. If anyone knows of anything like this that's already been posted, please point me in the right direction.

[lyric yew]

Hi, still got a problem unfortunately. My timer now starts when I enter path of pain, but it doesn't go to the next split when I transition to the next room. I have the autosplit set to Path of Pain Room 2 (Room). Does anyone know how I can fix this?

[vagrant warren]

If you wnt to foolow the any% route you can download splits from hksplitmaker.com (although that's not necessarily the best route for the 5 hour achievement & if you haven't practiced some of the bosses like Watchers it could take longer than you expect)

[vagrant warren]

did you make your own splits? getting them from hksplitmaker might be easier

[lyric yew]

Ah thanks. Yeah I tried making them myself, but it didn't really work. I'll try it with hksplitmaker

[cinder sail]

I found a speedrun technique that might assist future speedruns, I posted proof on Steam. If you inventory drop on Vs it will break the hardsave.

[vagrant warren]

yes, that's considered a major glitch.

[cinder sail]

Oh

Ok

Lol

[soft current]

Thank you Colette. I've plenty of experience in pantheon with Watchers and HK on my ps4 saves. Only bought PC version for the first time today to track my times. I will check out hksplitmaker now, thank you for your help.

[vagrant warren]

One other note would just be, that fireb0rn's guide is for 1221, so things will be slightly different on current patch (mainly no lever skips, nothing too major)

[clear rampart]

If you want a route that includes some basic timestamps (2hr 40 expected finish so you don't need to stick with them entirely) that is made without using any glitches etc.

I would recommend this one from my personal experiences trying some of the different routes. (made when achievement was 3HR not 5HR so you can ignore the title and allow for more time within the splits mentioned)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=878193536

@soft current

Otherwise yeah, use the hksplitmaker.com splits as Colette suggested

[lyric yew]

Hey, I managed to get a split file from hk split maker for path of pain which mostly works, but the timer doesn't automatically stop when I complete PoP even though end-triggering autosplit is on. Do you have any idea how this could be fixed?

[vagrant warren]

other than making sure the end-triggering split is the appropriate one (not sure if it's supposed to split on killing the kingsmoulds or getting the journal entray) I'm not sure. You might want to ask in the speedrun server (in pins) since there are more IL runners there

[clear rampart]

Timing ends on load after the end cutscene

[crystal venture]

i think i may have just invented a new route

but it depends on one thing

is the monomon acid thing possible with sharp shadow and monarch

[final elk]

Any%?

[crystal venture]

i mean people always thought 'we need either ismas or cdash to cross this gap since we cant parkour it' but sharp shadow exists

ye any%

[final elk]

It’s likely way too slow to get kings brand and shade cloak and sharp shadow

[crystal venture]

yeah but same thing was thought about ismas but a route was found

oh yeah also the route im thinking literally has going to deepnest before dnail

in the dark with no lantern

[final elk]

Yeah that’s definitely inefficient because you’re gonna have to come back for herrah

[weary root]

any% steel soul does that

you just stag back later

but why early deepnest though?

[crystal venture]

yeah but you go to deepnest after mantis lords since its just there

[weary root]

you don't need to fight mantis lords

[crystal venture]

and you use trampass to eventually get wings and go to kingdoms edge

it basically takes you across the entirety of hallownest

but we'll never know if its faster unless we try (i will def try when i can lol)

[weary root]

it won't be faster, but it's cool if you wanna try it out!

[austere flume]

take that back right now

the guy who said watcher knights isnt hard

[crystal venture]

so i may have tested out my proposed 'sharp shadow' route

i didnt realize that actually getting to monomon required frame perfect (and i mean frame perfect) keystrokes

but it works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

am i allowed to post videos here lol

[weary root]

Go ahead

[austere flume]

you mean like getting sharp shadow really quick or just completing the game with sharp shadow

[spark oxide]

does anyone have tips for getting good at speedrunning

[weary root]

practise

legitimately all it takes is time and motivation

[clear rampart]

nothing too surprising with getting better at it;

practice, watch videos, ask for feedback for things you're having trouble with or for areas you could improve.

focus on one specific part of a route at a time, piece it together at the end.

if you focus on the whole run at once it'll be harder to improve compared to say practicing the main bosses individually or practicing area movement for places you find difficult or require precise movement

once you've done all that it's a matter of dedication to further improving your tactics or mastering the ones you use

[hollow cedar]

Did you actually test this with TAS? Kinda weird to call something “frame perfect (and I mean frame perfect)” without knowing when there are actual frame perfect tricks people regularly do in runs

I’m guessing you just mean “very precise”

[knotty vigil]

Hiya, I'm trying to resting grounds shade skip, but my shade keeps returning to its original position because it's too far out
How do I fix this?

[digital jewel]

you have dash?

[knotty vigil]

I do

I have mantis claw aswell

[digital jewel]

you can do the skip from further away from the wall than you think

[steady lynx]

Did the shade spawn in Gruzmom's arena?

[knotty vigil]

Nope, it spawned near salubras shop
You know where

[knotty vigil]

oh?

[digital jewel]

yes if the shade is breaking its tether then you're trying to do the skip from essentially right on the wall

[knotty vigil]

yes thats what I am trying to do

[digital jewel]

well you shouldn't be because the shade just breaks its tether

[knotty vigil]

noted

What should I do instead then

Parry its blade and pogo it?

[digital jewel]

if you have claw there's no need for that

[knotty vigil]

aight

[digital jewel]

watch a speedrun and look at how far away the shade is from the wall when they go for the skip

think about how long a dash length is, that's how far away you can be from the wall when pogoing the shade and still make the skip

[knotty vigil]

oh, that's alot more helpful

I'll see if I can do that then

YES I DID IT

thanks

[polar plank]

I have a question about the legitimacy of speedruns. can you use the, quality of life mod in speedruns and still be valid?

[stuck raptor]

no

[polar plank]

ok thank you

[earnest fable]

any tips for the lever skip before watcher knights

can't seem to get it

[vagrant warren]

It's only doable on 1221

[steady lynx]

If you're on any other patch you have to fight the red guy

[earnest fable]

is that the optimal version for speedurnning

[steady lynx]

For any% NMG yes

[earnest fable]

yeah ive been on patch 1.4.3 for my skin mod

alr thank you

[steady lynx]

That reminds me of something I was supposed to do, thanks

[earnest fable]

forgot how much a pain wartcher knights are

[austere flume]

Just research the general route and if you find it too hard customize it to make it easier

Id begin by training on basic skips like fireballskips, object pogos for watcher spire and crystal peaks, if youre into it maybe even explosion pogo, and def the shade skip (its easy just watch a vid on how to do it)

[crystal venture]

ok well i managed to record a 'frame by frame' thing for the sharp shadow archives skip

but the file was too big so i made a yt video unlisted for it

https://youtu.be/rwsmncRnWUM

i also tried to make the frames be a little bit apart so it could be sped up (i also needed to use wings longer and forgot about soul but it works if you dont forget lol)

[crystal venture]

i dont have any tas tools (im not sure if there are any for latest patch and idk whether this works on 1221) but i did go frame by frame and did the inputs myself using debug mod

hope that clears some stuff up

[hollow cedar]

How does this prove that it's frame perfect? Also, please don't ping me in replies

All I'm trying to get across is that "frame perfect" means something specific, not just "really tight window" or "hard"

[crystal venture]

oh ok

[glad lion]

idk if chinese really speedsup game

but i saw ppl do it so i put chinese too

[bitter panther]

chinese means there's less text scrolling so it speeds it up a little

[weary root]

If you search youtube for "beating hollow knight without ismas or cdash" you will find a bunch of videos of basically this exact skip posted around 8 months ago

[sly tulip]

not a new trick. Also would lose too much time considering you have to get shade cloak then sharp shadow and spell twister

[crystal venture]

spell twister isnt quite a requirement.. i use only 3 fireballs anyway

[steady lynx]

Killing Hornet 2, going back to Basin for shade cloak and then going to east Deepnest for Sharp shadow seems very optimal

Also required Abyss climb

[weary root]

I was about to point out abyss climb :p

[dreamy raft]

mag moment

[oblique cliff]

I'm trying to do a sub 10 hour for the achievement how easy is that?

[steady lynx]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[knotty vigil]

Hi there!
I have a question, what's the fastest route to find all 3 dreamers

asking so I can use it during a speedrun

[formal bough]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/j234z

[knotty vigil]

thanks!

[hollow cedar]

So true

[untold orchid]

I just found a weird glitch, dont know if it was already discovered, but when I consumed shade soul I started to slide backwards

[weary root]

do you fall slowly as well?

[untold orchid]

No the prompt was still open and there was a ledge protection

[hollow wadi]

slidee

[paper rune]

This works not just for shade soul, but sometimes it works for all times when you are immobilised and cannot move

I am new with Hollow Knight, do the loading ability screens count as time in a speed run?

[mild root]

I think so yes

[paper rune]

So it’s really not that useful, then

A fun fact, though

Except…, if it goes just sideways, and not downward when it is supposed to

Then it could be a skip

But I’m just speculating

[pine stirrup]

hey guys

I want to speedrun Path of Pain

may I get some help?

anybody?

[formal bough]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/6vw3e

@pine stirrup have more patience than one minute next time

[pine stirrup]

Thank you！

[fierce sequoia]

Tried searching the dc for SBRCO but didn't find anything, was hoping someone had an idea where to find the app that finds a random charm order based on a few choices (like late KS, early DW, etc...) thanks in advance for anyone who knows

[vagrant warren]

I believe it's pinned in the misc channel in the speedrunning discord

[fierce sequoia]

Ah gotcha, I'll go look for that, thank you!

[vagrant warren]

Invite to the server is in Pins

[spiral river]

i have an issue

[weary root]

might need to buy the game first my friend

[sly tulip]

PoP r1 cycle is hard

[crude vector]

where do I find a guide to the all glitched any%?

[jovial mountain]

speedrunning discord #any-percent-glitched channel pins, invite in pins of this channel

[steady lynx]

#822611646987894784

[crude vector]

ok

[lyric cliff]

Still dont understand why speedrunners dont use the hornet vs skip to gain some time

With tas it doesent work but normal speedrun it does

Like it saves like .5 seconds xd

Like...
Its that vengeful spirit really worth it?
Those 15 damage are really that important?

[stuck raptor]

Yes

[digital jewel]

sometimes it can be better, but it's dependent on hornet's rng

[knotty vigil]

How do I do horne skiP?

[rotund pelican]

hornet skip like... in greenpath when you open your map to avoid bypass the bossfight?

if thats what youre talking about it isnt very useful

[austere flume]

Slugpercent

[hollow cedar]

This is a major glitch. I assume they were thinking of shooting a fireball to start the dialogue early

[nova turtle]

can someone tell me the bread and butter combo for watcher knights? I seem to always forget it when i need it most lol

[lunar breach]

anyone has splits for all achievement run?

or where i can find them

[signal meadow]

a nail nail pogo turn fireball when/before their slashing attack

[nova turtle]

ty

[rotund pelican]

When they said "horne[t] skip" I figured they wanted to skip hornet

[glad charm]

I play mouse and keyboard, when I speedrun on 1221 it randomly causes my nail not to be useable, only on 1221 and mouse and keyboard. Is there any way to fix or do I just need to play controller for 1221 speed running?

[weary root]

Yeah 1221 drops mouse binds

[glad charm]

So no fix I’m guessing?

That is still legal in speedruns

[weary root]

If you join the hk speedrunning server and search in resources for "blue" you'll find a program called blue.exe and a description of how to use it to get around this issue

[glad charm]

Oh

[weary root]

Link to the server in the pins of this channel^

[glad charm]

I can’t find the file, could you dm it to me? Or dm a link to the message

[glad charm]

Nvm found it

[knotty vigil]

No to get to hornet

[rotund pelican]

Wait

Do you mean fireball skip?

It doesn't get you to hornet immediately but it speeds it up

[knotty vigil]

ye

what I meant

[upbeat cove]

Hello, so I'm curious why speedrunners don't use inventory drop on current patch any% (fireb0rn mentiones it). I know you can't do it normally, but if you press inventory like the moment you drop from a ledge, it still works. Is it too hard or just doesn't save time?

[knotty vigil]

I use IDrop

[upbeat cove]

current patch

[knotty vigil]

Yes

[stuck raptor]

it's physics frame perfect and saves very small amounts of time.

[upbeat cove]

makes sense

[stuck raptor]

if you miss it, or it's better to dash of a ledge, you're not going to go back and try again

it's a 1/50th of a second window to get it

or I guess 2/50th's. but still

[knotty vigil]

I get it most of time

[stuck raptor]

[knotty vigil]

but ye

[analog monolith]

plenty of ppl do, but it's easy to miss (and if you do theres nothing showing that you went for it). and again, it's close to frame perfect, and doing it on small drops simply doesnt save time at all

but generally you see top runners going for inventory drops in at least gruzzer room and the last room before cdash

[knotty vigil]

Top 10 best renames

Yeah thought they were funny

I, am you brother!
NoOoOoOoOo

Rename elder bug to

Best man

No

Because

Cornifer

Rename Grimm to Lucifer's dad

Is best man

And Grimm child to Lucifer

What did u name hornet.

[knotty vigil]

That's mothwing cloak

split

[plain mesa]

just got my best time for doing crossroads, got 10 minutes for my run right now

[trail star]

Hey guys sorry for the noob question but do you know if both Crystal Heart and Tear are required or can I do without one?

[bitter panther]

afaik you don’t necessarily need isma’s, but the acid skips are genuinely difficult and i’d heavily recommend you get it. crystal heart is required either way

[bright jay]

How is work on the isma's tear run?

Now that stallball is legal

[hollow wadi]

fire made a video about it

[surreal anchor]

im tryna do the speedrun achievement

whats the route for it

[weary root]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[surreal anchor]

ty

[coarse skiff]

how much time is it considered a good speedrun?

[granite field]

I would say it depends on your expectations
for example I consider around 40 min in any% NMG 1221 to be a "good" run 'cause my PB is around it

But like, I don't think there is an absolute answer to that

[coarse skiff]

ou

im too far from it

my best was 1 hr

[granite field]

If you're satisfied with it, that's great
Else you can only improve your time furthermore

[coarse skiff]

ok

thank you

[granite field]

good luck

[mental python]

I am now going to take a small break because my wrist hurts

[weary root]

112 is a long category, taking breaks on your first however many runs sounds like a great Idea

[mental python]

I hate failed champ :)

[sage moon]

I don't

[modern slate]

oh my god I struggled so bad w failed champ

[celest breach]

I am looking to start speed running, but I don't have a pc yet. Is it possible to install any timing mods or apps on a Nintendo Switch?

[modern slate]

I was on vc w one of my friends and he kept laughing at me raging

[quick moss]

i really want to start speedruning

but i only have console

also yeah FC sucks

[modern slate]

yeah I've been practicing, problem is I only memorised the route up till Hornet

[quick moss]

after that dont you quit out to mound, go to fungal then epogo to claw

then you go to gruz mother, save sly, get shamans and shadeskip

[sage moon]

No, if you want to submit a run you must have video proof (It can just be a camera pointed at the screen) that is of watchable quality with game audio that is easily hearable and they should time it for you. Otherwise just use Livesplit on PC and manually split it. Or you can just do runs without timing them at all for fun

[celest breach]

So as long as I submit a video with audio of the whole run it is valid?

[sage moon]

As long as you can clearly hear and see the game the whole time, yeah

[celest breach]

Ok, thanks for your help

[weary root]

there's submission rules on speedrun.com. There's a bunch of other things like showing start screen before run, and including % screen at the end for categories where it matters like low% or 112%

[steady lynx]

To note the patch number must be clearly visible on start screen

[small carbon]

hey i'm trying to get into speedrunning this game what route or category is best to start out

[weary root]

If you're after a full game run (ie. beat the game) any% and All Skills are both good starting categories. If you don't mind something a bit more memey then 4 Mask Shards or Myla% are both fairly short and not too dificult

[hard shadow]

Hey speedrunners

Good luck 🤣 😂

[sage moon]

Who needs luck when you don't have a life?™

[hard shadow]

True we should quote that

[autumn jolt]

what category should I start with?

[autumn jolt]

like as a baby's first speedrun

oh lmao I'm dumb

I forgot to scroll up

[hard shadow]

Are you planning on being hardcore?

[autumn jolt]

eventually

like for starters, I'll try any% NMG WR

sounds like a fun summer project

then move on to harder things in after that

[compact ibex]

he is ez

[mental python]

Not when you have 0 vessels, 5 masks, shade soul, nail 0, only shaman and spell twister

[steady lynx]

I'd not take anyone who calls No Eyes a nice boss seriously anyway

[mental python]

true

[steady lynx]

Especially after they removed the ability to pogo the ghosts

[gaunt wharf]

Excuse me WHAT? You cannot pogo the ghosts?

I thought you could

[finite heart]

Do you have dash?