if your on current patch you cant inventory drop in mid air
#speedrunning
sly basin
if your on current patch you cant inventory drop in mid air
Ohhh… is there any way to fix this?
sly basin
it makes the text go faster
Ahh got it
charred wave
its possible to inventory drop on cp but you have to time it as your falling off the ledge
but its best to downpatch to a speed running patch
charred wave
i dont know how to down patch but you could prob find a video
sly basin
Ok thanks a lot this is a great help!
weary root
If you own HK on Steam it's easy to down patch to 1.2.2.1 (the fastest patch for most NMG speedruns). In steam right click HK -> properties -> find the Beta's tab and select 1.2.2.1
THIS WILL REPLACE YOUR CURRENT INSTALL
if you want to have multiple installs there's a section on that in the downpatching guide on speedrun.com
terse seal
I'm not actually speedrunning but I assume this is the right channel to ask in. I'm trying to challenge myself and see if a no-spell playthrough is possible. I'm on 1.4.3.2 on Switch. I got into resting grounds through crystal peak with lantern but other than that I'm pretty stuck. Not having any luck killing the elder baldur in greenpath entrance with only dreamshield and longnail. Is it possible to shade skip to blue lake from salubra with no movement abilities, 5 masks and base nail?
(I'm sure it would probably be easier on PC but I'm bored and killing time at work lol)
analog monolith
it is possible to shade skip from salubra with either longnail or an extra mask, and it is also possible with both
but ur probably going to have an easier time killing the baldur with dreamshield
im pretty sure longnail shade skip is only really documented with low framerate, but might be possible at more standard framerates as well
(i will say longnail/dreamshield baldurs are very hard to get used to and still pose a challenge even when u know how to do them "properly" but probably still much easier than the shade skip)
terse seal
Good to know that the trouble I was having with shade skip isn't because I'm bad at pogoing 😂
I've seen videos of people killing baldurs with longnail/dreamshield but I haven't seen any that show how exactly to do it. I assume it's more complicated than "run back and forth and spam the attack button"
sly tulip
because if you watch the cutscene you cant redo pop
steady lynx
@ oranges have you people gotten the bot to delete malicious links when posted here? I keep seeing unread messages but never sure why
stark birch
I've seen videos of people killing baldurs with longnail/dreamshield but I haven...
for dreamshield (which is easier than longnail by like an order of magnitude), you want to stand at the inside edge of the baldur's uncurl range (there's a divot on the ground that helpfully marks this) and wait until the shield is at about 11 o'clock relative to the knight; then quickly step outside the range so the baldur opens up and immediately turn around and slash. If you're struggling, you can pause buffer it: pause when you step right, then unpause holding left and immediately slash. Longnail follows the same idea but is much, much more precise because dreamshield extends your range considerably and if you have both, dreamshield is vastly preferred.
visual pebble
Is kronk percent an actual thing
stark birch
scenic sand
I wanna practice for a 1.2.2.1 speedrun with DebugMod, but since the new steam downpatching i can't seem to get the debug mod installed and running. I'm not sure if i'm right here, but if anyone knows how to do so, i would love an answer.
vagrant warren
The way you downpatch shouldn't effect the way you install debug - what problem are you having?
scenic sand
if i install debug mod it just doesn't show it ingame
i tried it by changing the hollow knight data with modding api and then drag in the debug mod, and i have tried installing it with modinstaller 1/2 and scarab
i just don't know, what i'm doing wrong
oh, and thanks for the answer
vagrant warren
If you've downpatched to 1221 there is no modinstaller - you have to manually get & install the 1221 api & debug
CP mod versions will not work with downpatched game
vagrant warren
They're pinned in resources in the speedrun server, I don't know if they're anywhere in this server anymore (the pins in this channel have all been cleared to direct people to the speedcord)
scenic sand
ok, thank you very much and sorry for beeing so troublesome
outer orchid
terse seal
for dreamshield (which is easier than longnail by like an order of magnitude), y...
Awesome tysm I'll try that
naive lark
where fireborn
visual pebble
Good question
midnight surge
i did a 1 h and 46 mins run
weary comet
gg
hollow mountain
I have an idea for a speed run category, kill all npc% you either have to Kill or get killed cloth, zote(gpz), Grimm, all warrior memories, mourner, and prob some more but I can think of all of them
It would prob be a long run but just an idea
wicked trench
i think i'm softlocked in steal soul
You are better to ask in #hk-help
hard verge
Nice POG!!!
Sub 2 hours in my second Any% attempt
fast glen
https://youtu.be/44HBxzC_RTg that one outdated already?
weary root
What patch are you after Aloe?
hard verge
<@!709363086867431476>
Sorry for the late reply; but no I get Isma’s Tear (the normal route bc I am unable to do the Isma skip either)
narrow sonnet
I'm going for the speedrun achievement and I'm wondering if when u pause the game the timer still counts or not
digital jewel
the game timer pauses when the game is paused or on the menu
narrow sonnet
great tnx!
digital jewel
<@&283547423706447872>
south herald
Thanks
I think
potent mountain
digital jewel
that's new to me
steady hound
ok
charred valve
Hey anyone know how to get livesplit to show ingame?
My hollow knight is on Microsoft store btw if that matters
Sometimes it stays in game and sometimes doesn't
rapid jungle
My hollow knight is on Microsoft store btw if that matters
i just run it in windowed mode when running
charred valve
damn kk
hazy gorge
So I was watching fireborn s world rec Speedrun and I have a question. When he wants to get the dash thingy from hornet in green path, when he needs to make a double jump or at least wall jump needed to reach a place he uses vengull spirit and gets to there. I tried it but I can't do it can anyone help me?
snow dome
?guides
sick ravenBOT
snow dome
Check out his video guide
hazy gorge
Thanx
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
sick lagoon
im not really a speedrunner myself but i just wanted to ask
are fireball skips harder than pogo skips?
snow dome
They're two completely different things. Some are harder than others
analog monolith
generally fireball skips will be harder than pogo skips, but some pogos are tighter than the majority of fireball skips
theres some skips that combine the two as well
agile remnant
Why?
hearty moss
https://youtu.be/mutqozaRtEI this should have more views, it’s verified and it’s nuts
sleek prawn
Is there any examples of that on current patch?
hearty moss
Is there any examples of that on current patch?
This is the newest patch I’m pretty sure
knotty vigil
yeah, this is on current patch
snow dome
1.5.78 is current patch
Spring Sylvi's run is on current patch. You could compare. Not sure if there's specific tricks that require .75
hearty moss
Ig the wiki is wrong because it says .75 for the one that’s the same date as .78 according to the steam page
hexed thorn
i think elevator storage or something required 1.575
true palm
i think stag duping and all that is still possible on 1578
old route relied heavily on elevator storage for lurien access so it was run on 1575 before i just think staxis never updated
if ur curious i'd just ask in glitched discussion on the speedrunning server
stable moon
Lmao I never read this, good timing
Yeah 1.5.75 is just my vanilla cp install. Every 1.5 patch should be the same
knotty vigil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJAbJDfJhS4 could this be used to get out of this room without double jump or mantis claw?
might enable a theoretical new low% route if so
true palm
this is seam jumping
its banned in nmg
its 1.5 only and works on most seams
but assuming there is a seam in the right wall yes
true palm
ye theres potential for nmms
keep in mind the 1.5 only restricts it, otherwise this could be used to perform the dash first 1028 route
nmms is kind of in shambles for current patch cuz of stag duping
knotty vigil
whats stag duping?
true palm
if you get bench storage, you can move during stag meu
so you can leave the stag and select a destination
knotty vigil
oh
true palm
2:25 to see the effect
its probably the 2nd biggest glitch in the game
next to mms
it allows you to to load tons of copies of rooms and hit load zones to move from room to room quickly
in this run its used to quickly get to archives, and load 3 monomons, which instantly opens up black egg temple
the implications of this in nmms and memes hasn't been fully explored yet
as its still a really fresh discovery (like a week old or so)
knotty vigil
ah okay, thanks for explaining. i assumed this run was all enabled by mms when i watched it before
manic coral
Hey, so, I was trying to do MMS, and whenever I got it, when I press "start" only the "quit: YES/NO" options show up
manic coral
Oh no, I mean that I get the Quit: Yes/No option to come under my regular menu
but when i press start to do the whole load the save shenanigans, it doesnt work
it just shows "Quit: Yes/no" under the regular menu
no "start" option
weary root
pic or clip?
mighty chasm
I cant attack whenever I drop into Kings pass? I do the esc menu open close into Inventory drop and when i land i cant attack is there a known fix?
Tried it a couple times, its consistently doing it.
weary root
Is nail bound to mouse buttons?
mighty chasm
Yup, bound to M1
Im just gonna test if it doesnt like my inventory button being on Q
mighty chasm
weary root
if you join the speedrunning discord in the pins^ and search for "blue" in resources you'll find a file called blue.exe
this will bind your mouse buttons to specific keys for you and then you make those keys attack/focus
the game will forget your mouse binds every time you load back into a save otherwise
mighty chasm
Oh that sucks, thanks for the help tho!
weary root
the other way to fix it is to just open this keyboard menu in game after loading in and that will make it remember them, but that's slow and annoying to do every time
frank rock
any tips for Watcher Knights any% NMG split? (1.2.2.1)
wicked trench
Focus on doing double/triple hits with fireball
Is this way you kill them faster, the fight is shorter, and you are less likely to get hit
hollow cedar
it just shows "Quit: Yes/no" under the regular menu
This happens when your fps is too high, there's like a frame where you can get this. Best is to cap fps to 60 or 120 or something
knotty vigil
Are Livesplit alternatives allowed in speedruns? Livesplit is not available to Mac and without a second monitor playing with Livesplit One in a browser is impossible and I am currently stuck. Any alternatives that are recommended are welcome ^^
signal forge
I haven’t touched the game in a few months so this isn’t terrible for a first run when I’m out of practice. Some pretty embarrassing boss deaths though
wicked trench
consider joining the speedrun server if you want specific feedback
https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
snow dome
Are Livesplit alternatives allowed in speedruns? Livesplit is not available to M...
You don't need a timer in screen while playing on Mac, so you don't need to worry about that.
knotty vigil
Maybe casually, but when uploading to Speedrun.com I am pretty sure it‘s a requirement to have a timer on screen all the time? I am kinda unsure
glacial cypress
Is the QoF mod cheating? I'm not planning on speedrunning but I still don't like using mods that have functions that are cheats or anything game changing.
wicked trench
Is the QoF mod cheating? I'm **not** planning on speedrunning but I still don't ...
There are different categories, the classic ones are without any mods, you have to play the game as it is
There are modded categories and even a Quality-of-Life (if that's what you mean) category
plucky tapir
I'd like to learn how to speedrun hollow knight. Anybody got any tips/tutorials?
snow dome
Maybe casually, but when uploading to Speedrun.com I am pretty sure it‘s a requi...
Not in Mac
snow dome
I'd like to learn how to speedrun hollow knight. Anybody got any tips/tutorials?
?guides
sick ravenBOT
plucky tapir
👍 ty
spare pagoda
anyone have any idea why livesplit is keeping my time at 0 when it's being compared against game time?
stray fjord
hey i found a new scream skip in current version
without taking damage
just pull out your map
stray fjord
oh
knotty vigil
same with opening your inventory to scream skip
grave kiln
it's banned in nmg categories
Why isn't damage scream skip banned?
knotty vigil
i dunno, ask the peeps who came up with the rules
true palm
its not the skip itself thats the issue
its that when you skip with inventory or map you can keep them open and move with them in the background
which leads to a ton of other glitches
grave kiln
its that when you skip with inventory or map you can keep them open and move wit...
Ok, I get it
Also, how was MMS even discovered?
true palm
it was like 2 years ago, i think it was accidental
grave kiln
Huh
grave kiln
That's a really wierd glitch to discover on accident. In game glitches I can see, but seriously, who is menuing like that?
true palm
misclick
the initial part is accidental
where you overlap the close menu and the main menu
coarse rover
im pretty new to speedrunning and just the game in general but i got a 12:07 dash speedrun nmg:D
true palm
from there applications are discovered
you should check out aluba% if you want to keep practicing early game
coarse rover
you should check out aluba% if you want to keep practicing early game
alr!:)
true palm
its basically speedrun to hornet and go to lake of unn and fb the aluba
coarse rover
its basically speedrun to hornet and go to lake of unn and fb the aluba
ah gotcha, sounds super cool!
grave kiln
Oh, on the same topic, how was stag dupe discovered?
The thing with the overlapping rooms
true palm
somebody accidentally went into the stag and got interaction storage with it
they were able to move with the text up
room dupes are already possible on 1028 a few different ways
so once people figured out that you could leave the room while selecting the stag (which was within hours of moving during the stag) people instantly knew how to abuse it
cp room dupes are far more powerful since you can dupe dreams and have an unlimited number of rooms loaded at the same time
you can read more about it if you go to the speedrunning server and search for it in glitched discussion
wintry dove
my first speedrun got me to third last on the leaderboard (3:22) and for my second one i'm aiming for fourth last (2:10-3:00)
i just got dream nail at 1:05
i'm taking a break for a moment
:D
spare depot
why is hollow knight so much laggier for me on 1.2.2.1?
spare depot
it wasnt on
true palm
1221 was before they did a huge performance revamp in 1.3
it is incredibly laggy without a dedicated graphics card
peak wave
hey I'm interested in speedrunning but I've done a few rando runs so I have the randomizer mod installed. How do I uninstall it since it's against the rules to even have it installed
true palm
verifying game files will revert the api
if you look on src you'll see how to have multiple versions and stuff
also check pinned for the speedrunning discord
wintry dove
Is the in game time time with or without loads?
digital jewel
in game time includes loads but not menu time
coarse rover
im pretty new to speedrunning and just the game in general but i got a 12:07 das...
I JUST GOT 11:52!!!!:D (including loads)
knotty vigil
if you look on src you'll see how to have multiple versions and stuff
Where is that exactly, I was exactly looking for that
stuck raptor
?Guides
sick ravenBOT
knotty vigil
Thank you ^^
midnight raft
true palm
Ye this is known
You can also do this by just pogoing a jelly explosion
The equipment needed to get out is slower than just getting ismas or cheart though
neon portal
I had an odd idea for a speedrun category. It's called Golf%
not sure how hard it would be
true palm
Well finding the minimum stroke is gonna be difficult
Not to mention I think the difficulty and reset rate would be too high
My guess would it would be a dreamnail into triple hitting a boss fest
Fun for TAS if we run out of categories
neon portal
The idea is just to do your best. You don't need minimum strokes, but whoever has the least gets first place
true palm
Ye I get that, it just doesn't really fit this niche of player ig
Like we're not a challenge run community really, we overlap a bit with hitless based on routing
And also some people Speedrun hitless
coarse rover
can anyone give me any tips to make this faster?
weary root
The things that stand out to me are
1 - on the platform at about 14 seconds you're going much further right than needed
2 - after the vengefly pogo you can jump straight to the left platform, don't need to use the right one at all
3 - the timing on your nail swings while breaking the door seems slow, make sure not to mash nail and try to get the right timing
coarse rover
The things that stand out to me are
1 - on the platform at about 14 seconds you...
ok thanks!:D
stable moon
Agree with what Eisog said and would add that you go too far right just before the vengefly pogo as well. With that said, I think there's much more important things to practice if you're trying to complete a run and you're probably more likely to burn out if you try to do every room perfectly from the start
analog monolith
(though if ur trying to get a good kp% time thats a different story c:)
stable quarry
The things that stand out to me are
1 - on the platform at about 14 seconds you...
I would add that you should try to jump earlier to awoid getting slowed down by pressing upp against the wall
true palm
since kp is the same in pretty much every nmg run ur gonna get lets of chances to improve over time
even runs that get fury exit normally for the hardsave then go back
rotund anchor
I have the game on steam and the only way I found to get the game to 1 2 2 1 was to put the beta. Is it good ?
rotund anchor
ok thanks !
deep dagger
Are inventory drops in current patch viable for speedruns, or are they not allowed
steady lynx
They are allowed but still not very much needed to get top times
You can save like 7 seconds in current patch any% with them
wicked trench
yes, the spike doesn't have the awsome trajectory that has on current patch
visual dagger
Bruh okay
Ye was confused since i didnt hit these anymore
Like i never hit them when playing on 1221 XD
proper dagger
Hey, im trying to downpatch hk to 1221 by using gog, but there is no option for it. What happened?
digital jewel
they removed the option for it
proper dagger
damn
steady lynx
They decided to have four 1.5 patches instead of useful patches
versed rain
idk if this is correct to post here, but is there a autosplit for Abs Rad in LiveSplit? i can't seem to find it
snow dome
Absolute Radiance leads to an ending, so you don't need a split for it
coarse rover
Agree with what Eisog said and would add that you go too far right just before t...
for now i'm just trying to complete mantis claw runs and when i lose the most time is in fungal and kings pass so im trying to improve those rooms as much as possible:)
snow dome
You should just keep going. There's no point saving time up to claw if you hit a wall you literally can't progress past. Your step 1 really should be finishing a run.
sly tulip
I have a small question to any% and it is: why arent runners getting fury of the fallen? wouldnt it save time considering that it takes like 21 seconds to get and it makes bosses waaay faster?
sly tulip
why isnt he getting pushed back when hitting the door?
snow dome
This is not human viable at all.
snow dome
The door doesn't give you knockback
sly tulip
it does iirc
sly tulip
what
coarse rover
idfk
true palm
door does give knockback
but theres a part at the tip of the nail where you can hit doors and walls and not get knocked back
this tip is longer on cp
also ye nail turnarounds are not rta viable, give rng amounts of speed effectively and are not used for rta runs
steady lynx
That'd be why trinomiplanks is harder on 1221
true palm
i need to go back and label my tas stuff as tas
ye on cp its so free you can hit 3 on the first swing
sly tulip
what language are you guys speaking? CP? trinomiplanks?
current patch and what the f are trinomiplanks?
snow dome
The planks in ancestral mound can be broken without taking knock back.
If you hit them with the very tip of your nail.
sly tulip
mh
inner tartan
Can someone help me with queens station skip
And is there an alternative version that works for low%
river forum
I don't know if there is one for low% but someone can correct me if there is
but low% is pretty strict
for queen's station skip specifically you actually have to move in between your fireballs if you haven't been doing that
inner tartan
I’ve been trying
river forum
so fireball, turn around, fireball at the other direction, turn around
yea it's just practice at some point
inner tartan
Wait so fireball left, right, left or all left
river forum
time stamped
it's a fairly difficult skip imo
harder than normal fireball skips I think
you have to have pretty clean turn arounds
inner tartan
Well is there any other way to mantis claw without having to do queens station skip
river forum
I don't specifically do low% so I don't know
inner tartan
Ok
inner tartan
I’m just doing it as a challenge because I’ve always liked low% in other games
I’m not speedrunning it I’m just trying to beat the game with 11%
vagrant warren
Well is there any other way to mantis claw without having to do queens station s...
No.
inner tartan
😦
river forum
welp have fun
inner tartan
Wait that was supposed to be a frown
river forum
it is a frown?
river forum
might want to learn easier fireball skips first to get used to the general idea
just my thoughts though
the current number 1 runner for the category has a compilation of him missing it a bunch of times, so yea it might take a while
analog monolith
Well is there any other way to mantis claw without having to do queens station s...
yes, but it has to go through waterways and does 2 shade skips and is much slower and more cursed than qs fireball skip
but it does exist
sage moon
Please tell me it doesn't involve the spike tunnel
sage moon
That's why I don't want it to involve the spike tunnel
river forum
well as far as I know there's only two ways to go through a spike tunnel
sage moon
Spell stall and Dashmaster
river forum
you don't get dash in low% and c dash needs mantis claw
river forum
so I'm assuming the skip sawa mentioned doesn't have the spike tunnel in it, but I don't know
but also
queens station skip is better
sage moon
You would have to get hit but also spell stall or something
Wait no you would get hit into the spikes before you could do anything
might be possible with thorns involved
vagrant warren
yes, but it has to go through waterways and does 2 shade skips and is much slowe...
Oh is one of those the movementess blue lake shade skip thingy? Didn't even consider that
river forum
I know that the world record is of course way faster and also goes under the last vertical platform, but as a very new runner is this a decent cycle to go for?
https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/8S2KGJPbQWFlp/d1337Gpn09hz?invite=cr-MSw2cnEsMzIyMDY4Mjgs
I haven't managed to do one without hitting the last immobile saw blade yet
grave kiln
Is movemntless lurian possible?
sage moon
I know that the world record is of course way faster and also goes under the las...
I have no idea but good job or something
river forum
lol thanks
I forgot the speedrun discord existed for a second and I ended up going there
river forum
route for what
river forum
yea that's quite the loaded category
sage moon
I don't want to Fast travel/Benchwarp/Shade skip/Grind Essence because it seems boring route-wise.
So it's a charms speedrun, but to my exact preferences
river forum
unfortunately it will just take a long time
sage moon
unfortunately it will just take a long time
PB is like 6 hours 27 minutes in game time
river forum
.
grave kiln
Is movemntless lurian possible?
Getting to lurien without any movement upgrades. Is a shade skip possible, or does it hard require vertical
sage moon
Haven't optimized anything yet though so take it with a pound of salt
sage moon
I thought 112% was 10 hours
sage moon
You would need to do a shade skip and also somehow pogo up to the bench without dying
grave kiln
No cursed shade skip?
grave kiln
but low% has claw
I know
sage moon
I think I'm thinking of someone who ran it for the first time's time
grave kiln
But you need claw for monomon anyways
sage moon
I think I could get my PB down to 4 hours maybe
You could get Lifeblood and do it maybe
sage moon
That's one way too put it...
river forum
but if you could make an interesting route it could be cool
sage moon
I already made the route
Colors mean nothing btw, Also I got impatient so it got a little messy
Forgotten Crossroads is just a toddler with a crayon
I can see you're stunned by the beauty of it, given how you've stopped responding
river forum
lol I'm just not used to going to half of these places
I run any% and path of pain lol
sage moon
I only have Hollow Knight for PS4 and Switch so I was kind of turned away from any% so I just made my own thing
sage moon
Don't have an excuse for Path of Pain other than Switch has a bad D-Pad and the room with the PS4 is too cold so my fingers go hfjuigbasdfcajsgd
river forum
you mean without the all the skips or just the 1.2.2.1 ones
I assume the latter
path of pain is well
painful
running it is rough, but I like movement/ platforming so I like to run it
well I'm new to running it
sage moon
I'm just being overconfident in my abilities as a Hollow Knight gamer is all
I don't have any Idea about cycles, I just move forward and hope I don't die
Also it might have changed but there were 2 people tied for 69th place in Any% NMG
river forum
lol, perfect N I C E
river forum
any% is 52 min, path of pain is 2 min 44 sec
sage moon
I have no scale of reference but those seem decent
river forum
any% is number 378, path of pain is number 44
sage moon
Not bad
river forum
they aren't uploaded though cause I didn't record them, I just have the splits
river forum
technically I can't, so I haven't submitted anything
but I want a better any% before I submit one
I just have splits
sage moon
I don't even have splits for my runs
river forum
obviously not enough evidence, but I'm not submitting yet anyway
sage moon
I kind of want to run it now...
but fingies cold
so nah
maybe later though
I also kind of want to try AnyRad
I would also like many other things
river forum
I'm nowhere near good enough to do that
sage moon
Like to not fail instantly at said things
river forum
I'm still working on rad hall of gods
sage moon
I have no idea how long I would last against AnyRad
Well keep going, you are obviously competent at the game given your PoP time, so you should be able to do it fairly quickly
sage moon
Just don't Auto-Pilot
I think that is what has lead to most of my deaths/hits against her
Just keep trying new things and don't do the same thing for every attack
manic coral
absrad on radiant? lmao gl buddy. i tried for around 4 hours but to no avail
i've been trying to get into speedrunning, but im not willing to downpatch. is there a current patch category speedrun?
river forum
uhhh
sage moon
Like if she teleports above the spikes it's not like you HAVE to DDark them, and in Phase 4 you don't HAVE to wait for her to come back if she's away from center spot.
manic coral
i mean in general speedrunning
sage moon
Isn't there a category for current patch?
manic coral
like any%
manic coral
Isn't there a category for current patch?
yeah. thats what i was asking
river forum
it's not too different from 1.2.2.1
sage moon
Also, you don't have to Speedrun the route everyone else does to get into speedrunning
river forum
I did any% on current patch before switching
manic coral
Also, you don't have to Speedrun the route everyone else does to get into speedr...
that is true
river forum
I just like any% bc it's relatively quick
manic coral
Blessed-Warpless-Deathless-NMG-Lowish%
this is.. interesting
sage moon
I've never run my route in one sitting
river forum
also any% has some hard stuff but it's not TOO hard
like, low% for example is much harder
sage moon
Like doing the Bosses fast, and also being able to do QGA skip
sage moon
I guess E-pogo and menu dropping don't help that much
manic coral
damn
sage moon
What tricks do low% have?
manic coral
doesnt it have the super hard shade skip
sage moon
Also my brain does not understand what you said before
river forum
also the plat forming in general is just more challenging bc you only have claw
manic coral
i remember watching skurry's low% true ending run, it gave me pain lmao
sage moon
also some deepnest dark rooms
Dark Deepnest isn't too bad if you know where you're going. It's probably just harder because no dash
I have some experience with the dark rooms since I don't get lantern in my run, but claw only sounds painful
As well as the fireball skips...
river forum
yea they're harder than the any% ones easily
sage moon
My route would be more optimal to do Queen's Station VS Skip since I have to go back up to unlock the Greenpath/Queens Gardens Shortcut once I get claw so yay
Take a shot every-time I have said "My Route"
I may have indirectly killed everyone who did that challenge...
Not my fault their livers aren't pro gamers
river forum
my livers if I participated
sage moon
Did you take that photo yourself?
If so that's hilarious
Just chillin' on discord in a pub and you see some guy sobbing and you're just like, "This would make a great response"
The humor has worn off and I regret everything now just fyi
sage moon
Do you just have it on standby than?
river forum
yea I have storage server of meme images
sage moon
How many GB?
river forum
idk it's a discord server
I just store a bunch of stuff there so I can access it quickly
sage moon
I don't know how to make discord do the things I want so I just eat sandwiches
I feel so bad for that guy though...
river forum
it's just a server with only one member that being you
so you can just put like links or images in it
sage moon
He just needs a big hug from a girl with big...
Personality traits
Can you upload videos or something and just skip the upload time by linking or something?
river forum
well unfortunately unless you boost your own server you'll have an upload limit on discord
so any videos will have to be done via some sort of link that can bypass the upload limit
sage moon
So I guess that means I still have to wait for 2 minutes to upload an 8 second clip...
Oh well, good to know anyway
So anymore speedrunny things you got on your mind?
river forum
not right now lol
sage moon
cool, cool
Guess I'm done talking than...
I should also stop going off on tangents so I don't get banned
Ow my hand
Just stood up and crushed it between my leg and desk
It sounds lame when I type it out, but it didn't feel good
formal bough
My route would be more optimal to do Queen's Station VS Skip since I have to go ...
You're forced to do queen's station fireball skip since you don't have dash
Also with regards to hard things in low%, it's that + getting to mantis village (either an explosion pogo (not too bad on 1221 but bad on current patch) or a shade skip or a worse fireball skip than the station one) + dark rooms + boss fights
low equipment watcher knights and low equipment uumuu are both hard
But don't let that stop you! The first category I did was low%
sage moon
Long story short, I made a route no-one but myself will ever run and QS skip is slightly more optimal, But I might run low% one day.
I just don't have HK for PC so I'm a little turned off from official speedruns since I can only rely on In-game time due to a lack of Live Splitter. I would consider myself fairly competent at the game by way of bossfights and navigating dark rooms (Kinda, no dash is gonna be weird). So I wasn't talking about running low% per say (I have no idea if that's how you're supposed to use/spell that), it's just my route (You don't wanna know what it is) might have a similarity or 2 with low% (My brain is kinda having a big, long fart. I don't think half of what I'm saying is even relevant, but it took forever to type so might as well leave it. No turning back now, I am going to send it without proofreading it because Ignorance is bliss).
Oh Lordy, that's long
I'm gonna pretend I didn't just dump 1/321 of the dictionary in 1 message and just tab out for the rest of forever
analog monolith
Oh is one of those the movementess blue lake shade skip thingy? Didn't even con...
yep, longnail/mask shade skip to lake, open waterways, cursed pogos, die to heurmp arena, cursed pogos again, hwurmps, shade skip to lever, align jump to bretta bench
and then low% epogo to mv and claw
vagrant warren
yep, longnail/mask shade skip to lake, open waterways, cursed pogos, die to heur...
Oh, so since those are % it still wouldn't work for low%
snow dome
Long story short, I made a route no-one but myself will ever run and QS skip is ...
Console times are compared against each other not against PC so you're fine.
analog monolith
Oh, so since those are % it still wouldn't work for low%
i never considered this lol, but yeah longnail and mask are %. problem isnt that though, those would just replace vs; problem is that gruz is also a %, so u would be getting 2 extra % if ur also getting vs
so yeah ig queen's station is the only way to run low% nmg
vagrant warren
I've seen runs but I don't know the route well so I guess I don't know if there are other fireball skips that are required, but assuming there are then yeah you wouldn't be able to skip VS even without taking gruz into consideration (which I didn't LOL who gives gruz half a thought)
grave kiln
How does low% get into peaks?
weary root
lantern
steady lynx
Lantern
grave kiln
So couldn't you grind geo for lantern and leave crossroads like that?
weary root
no cause that's slow
grave kiln
But it saves a%
weary root
also gruz mom is a %
grave kiln
Ooooh
weary root
how does it save a%?
weary root
ok ignore gruz mom how would grinding for lantern save a %?
weary root
no it isnt
snow dome
Wait what
grave kiln
Because you wouldn't need VS?
weary root
lantern and tram pass are not %
weary root
Because you wouldn't need VS?
you can't get anywhere after peaks -> resting grounds
steady lynx
Where do you go after that?
grave kiln
you can't get anywhere after peaks -> resting grounds
Right. Theres a lever in the way. Just ignore me 🙃
edgy trail
yo guys i did 23 hours and some mins
sage moon
Console times are compared against each other not against PC so you're fine.
I still have no idea how to time anything officially, but that's just because I'm lazy
snow dome
Make a video
Check the times for your category as to when it starts and ends (usually on file select to the screen going black just before the final cutscene)
Done
sage moon
Didn't think it would be that simple. Also on an unrelated note how big do you think 6 hours of footage would be in GB?
I already have around 45 GB of Hollow Knight in my capture gallery and that's after editing it down
Forget I said that. Anyways, thanks for the info, I might try doing a run and uploading it to the Leaderboards but I don't know when since I haven't practiced any official routes really. 
wicked trench
Depends what you aiming for
The average time for a nice to good is around 1 minute if I'm not wrong
I know my average is around 57-58s
The wr for current patch is 56.060s by zuiivel
The wr for 1221 is 50.690s by Ax2u
stuck raptor
if you're going for meme score, the best for that is 24 hrs
vocal gate
if you're going for meme score, the best for that is 24 hrs
bet
ima take 24 hours to get out of kings pass
vocal gate
my kings pass time is 5 minutes
also this was a joke
wicked trench
Mickely is not joking, the best meme time is 24h 00m 03s 600ms
vocal gate
Mickely is not joking, the best meme time is 24h 00m 03s 600ms
Im gonna get 24h 0m 4s 600ms
stuck raptor
vocal gate
thank
stuck raptor
vocal gate
https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/z03o339z
bruh
lmao
at least do everything in Kings pass then AFK
get all the geo
the charm
the enemies
the grass
eh
thats just what I would do
stuck raptor
near kraken
Tried my first “speed run” (just found this game this month and have been addicted ever since) and got destroyed at the Soul Sanctum. Got there in about 45m and that just makes me realize how impressive it is that people can beat the game so quickly.
Not sure I’ll get the 5hr achievement this time… but it’s a fun start!
sleek stone
Keep playing and you’ll decrease the time every run
Its always fun finding improvements too
near kraken
So I just noticed that basically as long as I complete a speed run on my PS5 then I’ll make the leaderboard at spot#13. Guess I will do it there and start over because I screwed a lot of stuff up and got lost without maps for a couple of minutes 😂
near kraken
Keep playing and you’ll decrease the time every run
I just am not used to being so weak as I have only done two play throughs so far. My first one I put in 70hrs and got 107% (forget Godhome lol) and then I got it on PC to do the randomizer and had some insane godlike RNG where Mark of Pride, UnbreakableStrength, Quick Slash, Long Nail, Steady Body, Shadow Slash, Soul Eater, Deep Focus and Quick Focus were all 0-1 notches. I had like 13 charms on when I destroyed THK and it was an absolutely fun and reckless playthrough
sleek stone
I just am not used to being so weak as I have only done two play throughs so far...
Randomizers are what i play most rn lol they’re so fun
its always amazing finding unbreakable strength/shaman stone/quick slash for 1 notch
near kraken
My first item I found was a 0 notch quick slash. I was like “it’s gonna be a good game!“
I’m going to do a room randomizer next, but going to see a “speed run” or two through first I think
snow dome
Tried my first “speed run” (just found this game this month and have been addict...
?srpsa This might help
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
languid trench
Hello.
Im trying to see if a pacifist (excluding boss fights) route of hollow knight is possible, but I've run into a roadblock. There's a forced encounter (the room leading into the hot springs) that has to be passed through to progress.
Problem is, progressing means killing a few aspids, and that's... Not ideal for a pacifist route.
formal bough
minimum kills has to kill those aspids
afaik there isn't an NMG way to avoid that room period
weary root
So many
formal bough
I mean any% is less than 5 minutes long so
languid trench
I mean any% is less than 5 minutes long so
Since when???
weary root
If you wanna do glitches you can skip pretty much whatever you want
languid trench
Huh.
weary root
It dropped from 9 minutes to sub 5 two weeks ago
formal bough
oh two weeks?
weary root
Eh a week and a half maybe
formal bough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mutqozaRtEI is the current WR
good luck figuring out what's happening :)
weary root
I can explain, but enough detail to understand would take a while lol
languid trench
OK so
Is it possible to clip out with an entirely fresh game copy?
I can see some save file shmixing, is that required for the entirety of the run?
formal bough
Godhome MMS is a big part of why it's so fast, if you don't want to use that then https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zxlvoeez is the current NMMS WR but that's on 1.0.2.8 so a very different time
weary root
kry actually beat that nmms WR earlier today lol
Hasn't been verified but you can see it on their yt
But yeah any questions you have about glitches feel free to join the Speedrunning discord in the pins^ and ask in #glitched-discussion, there's plenty of people there who'd be happy to help
formal bough
kry actually beat that nmms WR earlier today lol
oh right I remember seeing that I just went to SRC to grab it
old flame
whats the code for 1.4.3.2 or isnt there one
snow dome
There isn't one
old flame
is there an other way to have 1.4 and 1.5 on steam at the same time?
wicked trench
Copy-paste the HK folder, add this .txt in the second folder and add the game in the steam launcher as a "non steam game"
Then take the real one on steam and change the patch to the other one
Hope it's clear enough
old flame
thx worked
normal aurora
is there an indepth tutorial for all skills current patch or the pantheons ?
i tried searching for it on speedrun.com but couldnt find any
cedar timber
what am i doing wrong here
stable moon
That doesn’t work on current patch
sage moon
I was gonna answer that question a few hours ago but I got distracted and forgot to send it
so whoops
knotty vigil
Is there a guide to speed running? I’m thinking of starting it
wicked trench
!guides
!guide
Ok, I forgot the command
You'll have to wait for someone that remembers it è.è
That link will give you a general understanding of the speedruns - my personal take it so start watching them and slowly absorbing and asking information ✌🏼
snow dome
?guides
sick ravenBOT
knotty vigil
Thanks
grave kiln
Is there a guide to speed running? I’m thinking of starting it
Do you know what category you want to run?
charred garnet
Is there a guide to speed running? I’m thinking of starting it
Assuming it's any%
last canopy
P1 any bindings let's go
would be #67 but without loads I think it's -20 seconds? so it would be 4:18 on Speedrun.com so #60 I'm happy with that
but I want a sub-50 before I submit
last canopy
any tips for speedrunning Gorb?
he just floats away so often and I wanna maximize damage when I can
jovial mountain
any tips for speedrunning Gorb?
what equipment do you have? current patch true ending (at least one route of it) fights gorb wth shaman wraiths vs , and it probably a good baseline to start learning from. one tip is that gorb only teleports when you're in the same half of the "arena" as him, so you can maximize damage by doing long range attacks from the other side of the arena then forcing him to teleport
last canopy
so if you keep him around the center - say Gorb is center left - and I'm on center right, I can keep him there so long as he's coming towards me?
current setup is Fury of the Fallen, Unbreakable Strength, Quick Slash, Shaman Stone, Spell Twister
jovial mountain
what spells / nail level?
jovial mountain
so if you keep him around the center - say Gorb is center left - and I'm on cent...
yep more or less
lunar dagger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mutqozaRtEI is the current WR
forgive me if this isnt the right place to ask this, but i just so happened to click on this server by accident and see this. is there an explanation for how these glitches work anywhere? they're really interesting
gusty crow
sub hour !!!
weary root
gg on sub hour!
analog monolith
what spells / nail level?
i think thats just pantheon IL build sdlgkfhgjsgf
analog monolith
any tips for speedrunning Gorb?
generally almost all IL discussion happens in the speedrunning server pinned here; feel free to join and go to the il-combat chat over there for advice
apparently gorb is one of the harder p1 bosses to maximize damage on tho so gl
raven marsh
What any% nmg time would you consider to be a "good" time for a mid-to-high end runner?
like, 35, 36 minutes?
final elk
Yeah about right
weary root
Mid-high? Probably about that yeah
raven marsh
If I were to make a cutoff and say "I want to be a good Hollow Knight speedrunner"
weary root
good is more of a personal thing
raven marsh
Then 36 minutes would put me there reasonably, you think?
raven marsh
good is more of a personal thing
Good is a community thing
At what point would be community look at a run and say "Yeah, that's a pretty good run"
Not great but just, good
weary root
like there are people I'd call good runners who have a 39 or higher
final elk
Mid 30-40
weary root
At what point would be community look at a run and say "Yeah, that's a pretty go...
I think this is still an individual thing, if it's your first sub hour then that's a good run for you
raven marsh
Of course
But I'm looking for community thresholds
A measuring stick of sorts
Comparing against WR is unreasonable
Comparing against Place 60 is much more reasonable
analog monolith
i dont like setting thresholds for "good" for things like this but for any% generally anything sub-40 for current patch or sub-38 1221 would be pretty dang high level
imo
but like others said be careful doing this sort of thing
raven marsh
Thank you for the feedback y'all 🙂
sage moon
I've been trying to speedrun my route (Don't ask, 6 hour PB) on switch, I've run it before around 4 times to full completion and I usually die maybe 10 times a run. But I cannot stop dying. I die multiple times before I even get to Hornet 1. (Don't need to say "You can do it!" or anything, I know I can) Just thought I would let everyone know that people who are somewhat good (Rad HoG) at the game still struggle sometimes at the most basic things so they don't feel as bad when they die to a mosscreep. And just for the record, I blame my hands for being way too big for comfortable Joy-con use.
Also just a quick list of what I (Think I) died too in that session:
- Mosscreep hitbox coming out later than I thought so I missed my nail swing and just walked into it
- Trying the VS skip right after the Badlur, failing, than falling into acid and dying
- Trying to one-cycle False Knight with fury but chickening out a moment too late and getting squashed
- Moss Charger near Hornet 1 in it's vulnerable state running away, I tried to finish it off but it landed on a platform below and I tried to do the thing where you swing horizontally as you fall and the knockback generated from the hit puts enough distance between you and the thing you hit but didn't
- The 2nd Obble you encounter in Any% NMG went all the way up to the top exit and sniped me (kinda)
- Mantis Lords + Dashmaster^Fury x Slump = 4 deaths
- I hate Garpedes
- Fell into Acid after Hornet 1 trying to go up too fast
- I hope this doesn't count as spam
- The room outside of crossroads stag, Tried to do the statue pogo but the vengefly and crawlid combo were to strong (I think)
- I hate Goams
- The rest I think were just me falling into acid and getting hit by enemies who've mastered the art of Thwomp
final elk
What category?
signal moth
No major glitches?
Because the current NMG glitches is 32:16 from what I saw
Wait… I just said mo major glitches glitches
signal moth
I want to do path of pain speedruns, but is there a way around making a new save per attempt? I might just be misunderstanding the rules though.
final elk
Download saves that already have it unlocked
signal moth
Ah, is there any way to do that on switch. (Probably should have mentioned that)
final elk
In that case
I think you’re kind of screwed
Although I’m not a switch user so who knows
signal moth
Do you know if there is a hard save after PoP
final elk
I do not
signal moth
Couldn’t find anything but I think there is a hard save, I hope to get hollow knight on pc soon. Thanks for the tips
jovial mountain
i think thats just pantheon IL build sdlgkfhgjsgf
oops imagine being able to read context worry
analog monolith
Couldn’t find anything but I think there is a hard save, I hope to get hollow kn...
- beating pop will make it impossible to revisit; might be possible to immediately quit back to home screen and closing the game before waking yourself up to prevent it from saving
- theres a lever in pop that will also be flipped permanently as soon as you hit it. this means you can only hit it once per save even if you want to keep doing runs. to counteract this, console runs can still be submitted with the flipped lever with a 2 second penalty as long as you go through the entire gauntlet
final elk
Nice
manic coral
I quit at dream nail, since im 100% sure im going to die on watcher knights and want to practice lmao
this community is incredible though, so many guides and so many helpful people
sick barn
wintry thistle
hearty cairn
im doing it now thanks
hearty cairn
you can find it online
👍
hearty cairn
just set it up (:
jade acorn
Do yall think there will ever be a tutorial for the new all glitches any% runs? I really want to learn them
manic coral
gah, im dying on watcher knights each time
knotty vigil
is this considered a major glitch?
snow dome
yes
weary root
Do yall think there will ever be a tutorial for the new all glitches any% runs? ...
if you join the speedrunning discord in the pins^ and ask in #any-percent-glitched there's a bunch of people there who'd be happy to help out
jade acorn
Oh sick, thanks for letting me know
fast furnace
Is the quick slash tech where you change directions viable on controller or is it really only possible on keyboard?
Quickest example I can find is in this video: https://youtu.be/o2D_1dWqBhA
sullen ruin
Is there no true ending TAS yet?
knotty vigil
Not yet
Hi ! I’m interested in speedrunning NMG any%, been watching a lot of speedrun of HK and i wanna try it myself 
Do you have a beginner route for that ?
river forum
yea hold on
there's a guide for it on speedrun.com by fireborn
the "beginner "route depends on what you find difficult
for starters QGA skip, explosion pogo, and fireball skips are usually left out if you're new
bc those you gotta grind out a lot to practice
but the actual route itself isn't too different
sage moon
and he's a controller player
You got something against controller players?
signal moth
No, I think they were implying it is simply harder to place imputs with a controller
sage moon
Especially Joy-cons
signal moth
Yeah
sage moon
But I find standard controllers not too bad, I just roll my thumb on the D-pad and call it a day
signal moth
Thats fair
river forum
no?
I was answering a question about if you can do pogo turn around strats
with a controller
I said you can
and used fireborn as an example
sage moon
It just sounded like "Oh, you play controller. I guess that's fine". But after actually using my eyes and reading what you were responding to it now makes sense
So my bad
knotty vigil
When I attempt the ||Isma's Tear|| skip I keep sliding down into the acid instead of clinging to the edge, is there something that could help with the timing of it? I wasn't expecting this skip to be so difficult.
stuck raptor
do you have isma's tear
knotty vigil
Nope
wicked trench
You are probably pressing it too early
stuck raptor
then most likely, you're starting your cdash too early, or you're trying to start it too close to the corner of the wall
or both
knotty vigil
then most likely, you're starting your cdash too early, or you're trying to star...
Huh. Thought I started too late
stuck raptor
well if you're pressing cdash before you're actually on the wall, then yeah. it won't start
even if it looks like you are
knotty vigil
Ah ok. Good tip I'll try waiting a bit before a cdash
stuck raptor
and the game won't even let you start it either if you're too high on the wall
if you're talking the first skip to get into fog canyon, then holding left off the small platform will prevent the second issue
knotty vigil
Right. I'll try holding to the wall and starting cdash later, hope it works
snow dome
Wrong image
knotty vigil
My god why do I keep doing this
sweet hawk
Oh nice, you qualified for group A.
knotty vigil
Anyways thanks for the tip it really helped
knotty vigil
Oh nice, you qualified for group A.
lol
Well here's the skip, I almost fell down from ||fungal||, made my heart jump
Makes me wonder if I could've gotten into fog through fungal
digital jewel
you don't need to spoil anything here
knotty vigil
Oh cool, I'll remember that next time
sly tulip
ok so this isnt your usual speedrunning question but...how do i nail swing and then fireball in the air? my fireball input gets dropped most of the time. Is it just a timing thing?
final elk
ok so this isnt your usual speedrunning question but...how do i nail swing and t...
Are you using quick cast
sly tulip
Are you using quick cast
yes
final elk
Are we talking in context of the vengefly quick kill or something
sly tulip
yes exactly i speedrun p1
final elk
Ahhh p1 speedrun a
That’s one of my main category’s but unfortunately my vengefly sucks
sly tulip
im on switch so teeechnically i would have the wr for p1 speedruns on the switch version but its unverified
sly tulip
Like what it shows at the end?
yes
snow dome
You just need to get used to the timing. Too early and you don't fireball, too late and you don't get the optimal timing.
sly tulip
thanks
knotty vigil
is it not possible for vs (with shaman) to double gorb?
final elk
Go at least somewhat far away then vs
knotty vigil
i was like, a whole screen away
final elk
Too far
knotty vigil
gotcha
final elk
Although I’m not an expert
weary root
Also if you're on patch 1.3+ fireballs range was nerfed so being a whole screen away will definitely not double
knotty vigil
does gorb need to be drifting in a specific way for it to work
weary root
Yeah you'll get them a lot more if enemies are moving away from you
knotty vigil
ah i see
sly tulip
got 5:29 in p1 but i had a terrible vengefly king missed scream skip for dung defender and i healed up at oro and mato ( doing fury stuff) cuz i was scared 
still pb cant really complain
cinder osprey
first-ever attempt at a hollow knight speedrun
before this my pb was like 9 hours 40 minutes
but that wasn't a speedrun tho just a steelsoul
I think this is good for my first ever attempt at a speedrun idk tho
also was current patch
knotty vigil
Hey I'm wondering if hornet% is a thing
signal moth
You literally changed the time
weary root
it's just a troll ignore them
signal moth
Honestly, it’s kinda funny to watch for some form of excuse to keep going
manic coral
i want to die i got my best speedrun time yet, dream nail at 20 minutes then took a whopping 40 minutes stuck at watcher's. i didnt even manage to complete them btw, i just spent 40 mins trying to do them
does anyone have any tips for wk?
cinder osprey
Bit is sais speedrun 2 on the bottom right
yeah because that was my first ever sub 5 hour
manic coral
https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME
thanks!
spare depot
does anyone have any tips for wk?
im bad so i get nail 1 which makes it a lot easier
manic coral
ill try that
amber arch
got dream nail after 1h (im bad), which dreamer should i get first?
(also, is ismas or shade cloak required for monomon?)
signal moth
The speedrun does lurian first from what I know, QGA skip is used for monomon, (tutorial is recommended) other than that you should be fine
steady lynx
You can get to Monomon pretty easily with an almost dev intended acid skip in the bottom left of crossroads
amber arch
thanks, ill try it out
steady lynx
https://youtu.be/09u9vo5sQRo?t=1638 this one for reference
knotty vigil
nicee
literally a month ago i was in my own world at like 30 hrs trying to do shade skips and QGA
now i can spedrun the game in under 5 hrs
lifes meaning has been achieved
amber arch
ok i got monomon, got lurien, i have to defeat mantis lords now to get into deepnest, right?
(i cant do qga)
wicked trench
you can go by spore shroom as well
amber arch
ill look it up, ty
jolly hare
The speedrun does lurian first from what I know, QGA skip is used for monomon, (...
qga is queen gardens acid
amber arch
thank you guys for your help, finally did it
maiden herald
hey there i wanna do the speedrun achievements is there a good route for these i can use from a video/wall you guys got?
because if i have to sit through the 5 hours or so of fireb0rn's walkthrough i'm going to scream
wicked trench
?srpsa
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
wicked trench
This can help
maiden herald
thanks
sly tulip
this is just an example
but does stuff like this with bad camera quality get accepted to speedrun.com? because i play on the switch and i dont have another way of recording it ( also ignore bad flukemarm)
steady lynx
We'd want audio to be audible
steady lynx
Make sure the top edge of the screen is fully visible and it's fine
steady lynx
np
knotty vigil
You literally changed the time
I did not change the time
knotty vigil
How did you time this
Using the in-game timer because idk how to get a "speedrunning" timer but I guess I could of just used my tablet's timer.
scenic quarry
I am big sad, I got to watchers at 25 min first run and then died lmao
bleak valve
I am big sad, I got to watchers at 25 min first run and then died lmao
that always sucks
gritty herald
is this a decent route to follow for a casual true ending speedrun?
i found it here- it's the "abyss shriek route"
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/vdaiv
bleak valve
It definitely been done
i think it has been done
vagrant warren
is this a decent route to follow for a casual true ending speedrun?
really depends on what you mean by casual. Like, that route doesn't get any nail upgrades, so if you want those you'd need to route in pale ore & a significant amount of geo
strong vessel
At the same time, nail upgrades honestly make TE harder due to warrior dreams' health scaling
I would say no, it's not very good for a casual run because honestly shriek route (and TE in general) is very difficult
I would recommend doing shade soul route and then getting wraiths and shriek for radiance, which is a pretty common comfy route that people do
Or if you really want, getting all three spells
steady lynx
Is that supposed to be an insult?
I'm just confused tbh but <@&283547423706447872> I guess?
abstract shore
orchid coral
of course not, but 28 mins (your original comment) is impossible tho
sly tulip
ok so i MIGHT have found some weird inventory storage shit
if you get invincibility ( i did the glitch) then go to the place where crystal heart is found and inventory drop into the pit with crystals you get weird inventory storage where you cant use cdash but you can pause?
open silo
just wondering, is this a known glitch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q4mEzZ_qRI
I'd be surprised if it isn't, but still
steady lynx
it is known
open silo
k thanks
rich rapids
Hey I’m thinking about getting into speed running any tips for a beginner
final elk
Just beat the game but fast
rich rapids
Just beat the game but fast
Thanks
final elk
But for real just practice, practice bosses, learn the route, play the first few runs safe
rich rapids
But for real just practice, practice bosses, learn the route, play the first few...
Thanks fr
jovial mountain
Hey I’m thinking about getting into speed running any tips for a beginner
join the speedrunning server (invite in pins) for general tips, discussion, and pinned beginner guides
hazy gorge
what is the most efficient and useful way to practice for hallow knight speedrunning?
ihave exp with mc speedrun so i kinda know the concepts of speedrunning
digital jewel
use debug mod to repeatedly practice each room at a time, and then each segment of the run until you're satisfied
digital jewel
what?
wicked trench
On debug mod there are save states if you mean those
snow dome
?guides
sick ravenBOT
snow dome
There's specific guides for different categories on here, if that's what you're after.
The above are tools to help you practice, but it sounds like you're asking for advice on how to actually do a run?
Use debug to practice different segments of the run you're looking at doing.
hazy gorge
same
wicked trench
keyboard or controller?
keyboard] are you using sodc-cleaner (or something like that, I don't remember the correct name)
controller] do you know that d.pad overwrites analogue?
That's hard to tell what you are messing up without a video (feel free to upload a mp4 record)
If I've to bet you are probably not full jumping, and you are doing the skip too early
knotty vigil
yeah i'm on a controller
i noticed something
it's more about the timing you fireball during the jump
than the turnarround fireball
for the first one in greenpath you wanna do it at the apex of the jump
when at the mosquito skip, you wanna wait a bit after the apex
right ?
digital jewel
that does matter
you want to fireball halfway between the apex and whatever ledge you're trying to reach
that extends your jump distance the most
knotty vigil
yeah
i realized too
that
you can jump of a ledge
pretty much out of it
the jump can start later than i imagined
stuck raptor
knotty vigil
i believe i jump on the first square and fireball at the second
tbh this one feels a lot about the jump at the very furthest of the plateform
stuck raptor
the closer you fireball to the jump apex, the smaller the distance you go
knotty vigil
yeah true
stuck raptor
the fireball pushback is less important than the velocity reset
digital jewel
the jump can start later than i imagined
yes this is called "coyote frames". you get some leniency in jumping even after you've left the platform
knotty vigil
tricky one
naive lark
just use the mosquito
just because you can do the really fast and inconsistent strats doesn't meanyou should
wicked trench
If they want to learn fireball why are you telling them not to?
I don't understand, that's like when someone says "I want to learn QGA for the speedrun" and people answer "just go DeepNest"
Yes, that's an alternative, but if they want to learn something why should you just say "don't do that"?
stuck raptor
there's nothing inconsistent about fireball skips
knotty vigil
it is consistent as long as you perform it well
steady lynx
"Is going fast in your speedrun difficult? Just simply don't go fast."
mosquito pogo is a nice backup, but a mentality of going for it as standard is bad in the long run
warm bloom
so i finished my first "run" (just learning the route) and managed to get these 2!
final time was 2h23m
wanton ridge
sorry for the dumb question, but current patch means the most updated version of the game right? I've never speed ran anything besides bloodborne
steady lynx
Current patch for this game refers to 1.4.3.2 or any full release 1.5 patch
wanton ridge
oh ok ty
snow dome
(So yes, the most updated version of the game is fine and good.)
eager sinew
Hello! I am super new to the speed running scene and I was curious what is the best way to learn the ANY% route!? I was looking a fireborns tutorials, is that a good way to start? 
digital jewel
yep that's a good way
latent lichen
Any tips for low gear watcher knights?
amber forge
Any tips for low gear watcher knights?
try to stay above the watcher knights
like pogo off of them
knotty vigil
question. im doing my speedruns on 1.2.2.1 and whenever i spawn it wont let me use my nail and once i get vengeful spirit im stuck asleep on the floor
do i have to play hollow knight in the main update or no
weary root
Are you using mouse bindings?
to get up during vengeful spirit you have to use default controls on 1221 for some reason, so just mash arrow keys
weary root
Yeah best fix for that is to get blue.exe (1221 drops mouse binds).
You can find it if you join the speedrunning discord in the pins^, and search for "blue" in the #resources channel
blue.exe binds your mouse buttons to keys and then you make those keys whatever you want them to click
knotty vigil
so if i bind "k" to nail then bind m1 to k ?
knotty vigil
okay but it would work like that
so nothing would change really besides hgetting that blue exe
weary root
yep!
knotty vigil
okay thank you
knotty vigil
blue.exe binds your mouse buttons to keys and then you make those keys whatever ...
When I download it is it just done or do i have to set it up
oh wait
weary root
you just run the exe with HK
knotty vigil
thanks
knotty vigil
you just run the exe with HK
sorry for the mention but does using blue.exe negate my speedrun. like i know you cant hjave mods and stuff
cuz like on speedrun.com it says i cannot have any sort of modding api and i wanna make sure that blue.exe isnt mod
weary root
it's not a mod, specifically made for runners who use mouse bindings
knotty vigil
okay and do i just drag it into hollow knight folder or just open before opening hollow knight