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I think this time is good
Me to
yes
Caught this in a hitless run? Definitely cheating? They don't take damage passing right through it.
At specific speeds you can fall straight through some enemies
Specifically if the enemy is moving upwards
They had just begun to fall and it was moving to the right and slightly down
I was wondering if anybody had done research on how many frames of delay there are on different abilities and how many frames the different abilities' animations take?
It's fireborns world first. 2:42
are there NKG grimm speedruns? i can only find a hitless speedrun of 1:27, but seems pretty slow
i did 1:20 with only like 1h of grinding
not hitless tho
We have a run of "Kill NKG from game start" but generally we don't time induvidual bosses in HoG
Would be proper pain to maintain any board for that
there are boards for each of the pantheons if that interests you
are there nail art only runs?
I like NKG% i should put more work into that.
Purity% and Happy Couple% are "kill/rescue nailsmith" respectively, which are the same thing.
tami thats nail upgrades 
if u want a category that gets all nai arts, nmg% is what u want; its goal is obtaining nailmaster's glory, which is basically just nart fetchquest prime
i should hgave put that in modding mb
Today I found a bug where if you shoot a vengeful spirit, all birds offscreen don't fly away from you.
do you think I could use it to get soul from the birds if greenpath?
i think ive seen this but didnt know how it exactly worked hmm, now i know
i dont think it's really useful for soul collection tho unfortunately, ur already using 3 soul to cast, and the only place u could realistically gain more than that is first room in gp, where u already can get a hit anyways (plus it doesnt really matter there)
ok
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will I annoy the mods if I submit three runs for the same category in a week? or should I just save submissions for the best timings?
Idk, I've only been here since yesterday
Thoughts, anyone?
As long as you're submitting valid, non-troll runs, how often you submit is entirely up to you! Some people like to use SRC as a log of every single PB they make, some people submit fewer than 1 pb in 10, usually waiting for a specific goal time. There's no right way to go about it. If verifiers see you've got three runs for the same category in the queue, we'll verify the fastest time first and then assuming it clears just do a cursory check on the slower runs to make sure they're valid runs, so it isn't significantly more verifier time than if you just submitted the fastest PB!
(that said the queue is backed up a bit rn; we just added a few new verifiers but it still may be a sec before you see your runs on SRC)
No one's been looking at this channel for a while, I know because I've been here for like four hours waiting for someone to review my speedrun guide
oh ok
are you just after debug mod?
and speedrun mod
speedrun mod is for current patch to put back in a bunch of 1221 glitches, also mods aren't allowed for submitted runs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0dDvM3zSyQ here's a guide for setting up debug though!
!!! THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR HOLLOW KNIGHT VERSION 1.2.2.1 (the speedrunning patch) !!!
If you're on current patch, please find and use the modinstaller instead.
These downloads are a bit more up-to-date than the stuff I show in the video but I'm sure you guys will be able to figure it out
Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/81...
so debug mod isnt allowed?
theres a weird thing where my game crashes after i get vengeful spirit
You could be using invincibility which would be cheating, caused a lot of drama in the speedrun community once
im on pc
the game closes or freezes?
it doesnt close or freeze, but my entire pc does
so at first i notice i cant move
is this only on 1221?
then when i ALT+F4 my pc crashes
never heard of that before, might want to ask in the Help channel on the speedrun discord
does it have to do with debug mod?
debug won't help if the game is crashing
1221 is just a very unoptimized patch so it doesn't run very well on some pc's
if it continues to be an issue you can do runs on current patch
Whats even the point in downpatching
1221 has a bunch of things that make it faster (notably lever skips) but there's a separate board for current patch runs anyway
it's preference for most people
What do u recommend
well if you're crashing at VS on 1221 then run on cp
downpatching has some cool glitches that make the run less annoying (like instant baldur kill) or potentially more fun (sometimes wall cling storage) and the boards are currently more optimized on 1221
the freezing might be a registry issue, check downpatching guide on src on how to clear
you can try redownpatching to see if a file got corrupted
or it might just be a performance issue
Does your pc actually freeze or does the knight just not wake up
Are you playing with keyboard?
is someone so kind to watch a clip and tell me what i'm doing wrong in the explosion skip?
yeah you can post it here
you can't pogo the explosion on current patch. are you trying to?
i'm playing on 1.4
There's a current patch specific tutorial on YouTube (there's like 10 in fact) and Fireborn's guide has the one for 1221
Search YouTube for current patch explosion Pogo guide. There's one by Monstahler
Which is pretty comprehensive.
yeah i was watching fireborn's guide
better yet learn comfy pogo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM
Update with the release of 1.5: This explosion pogo is still valid on the current patch of Hollow Knight, and older methods are still patched, so all the information in this video is still up to date.
This is a new method for performing Explosion Pogo in Hollow Knight on Current Patch (1.4.3.2 at the time of publishing this). This came out of s...
- You're on the wrong patch
- Even if you were on the right patch this wouldn't actually work. You need to Pogo the spore and then the explosion on 1221. (But again, this doesn't matter because you need a different setup on current patch.)
Ah, it's math not Monstahler, sorry.
if you want 1221 you can just select it from the beta's tab on steam
thx
Got it! I'm using SRC as a personal benchmark to see my improvements/timesaves, so that's great to hear haha
How would I go about making a TAS for hollow knight?
anyone know how to get mantis claw with out mothwing cloak?
im basically doing a run where i get mantis claw then hit zotes mask and i want to skip hornet
Look into the low% speedrun for whichever patch you're running on; it requires a difficult fireball skip and then some more stuff besides (a specific epogo, a shade skip, or an ultracursed fireball skip depending)
for what it's worth; skipping dash (unless required by the category) is slower than getting it even at the point of picking up claw
ok thanks for the help
is there a mantislords%
There's Pride% which gets Mark of Pride, which is basically that yes
There's also Fragile% which is "Break all fragile charms" which does Mantis Lords and then has a smol amount after it.
Bored waiting for silksong along with everyone else, so decided to give speedrunning a try, this my second ever any% attempt 
How do I put that speedrun thing that says the time and all of that
lke the one above my comment
google Livesplit
there's an autosplitter for hollow knight
there are remade splits here
This is what I used, but took out queens garden split cuz im bad
thanks
any% minus tqg
Anyone here know if library lever skip still works on latest patch? unsure if im just bad or if it was patched out
lever skips are 1221 only
I left some comments 
(ping or DM me if you want to follow up. I usually don't check this server tbh)
this is wrong
you can double pogo the explosion
its how low% does it
and its also in fires guide
just with dash
I GOT THE PS5 WORLD RECORD BABY, just have to wait for them to accept
So why are the console times a good 10 minutes longer than PC? There's no way that's a skill gap between the platforms.
And nice.
I'm doing my first intentional speedrun
Not looking for anything more than 5 hour achievement for now
BC in console we count loading screens
Bc it would be impossible to not count loading screens since you cant have a timer on console
Ok
hate to burst your bubble, but console runs are timed real time, which means they do include the loading screens, menus, etc. the in game time displayed at the end is not the leaderboard time
check the rules for the timing, and double check the recording of your run
Is there any way to get to the crown of hollownest without wings?
Nvm I found a skip
Its just a couple of pogos. You can do it without crystal heart too
Whats your final real time?
does anyone know how to do savestates on a mac?
practicing for the acradian Myla% tournament
Me when i do low% any%
hey
has anyone made a powerpoint for hk speedrun routes
ik they did for any%
but do they have one for 112
https://imgur.com/a/Wq8TswV this image library has the route
If you want more information/help on how to do certain skips or boss strategies, join the speedrunning discord in the pins^ and ask in 1xx-percent-current
Bruh this is the time from the world record, I'm 2 mins faster
see the timer on the right where is says 50:18 in big blue numbers? That's the timer we use for speedruns. The ingame timer is completely unreliable
I know, I'm just saying that my time is faster, I'll calculate the actual time when I go to submit it. I'm just showing my achievement
thanks a lot! This map is awesome!
np! ๐
just got back into speedrunning after like a year or two away from the game, they made patching the game so easy wtf
This is outdated by the way
I've been trying to get everything updated (and once that happens artz can update those maps) but it's been procrastinated
If you want a note pastebin, here's one (also outdated but less so): https://pastebin.com/qznSrku9
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
any% attempt 5, progress has been made a little bit
?saves
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
I'm trying to speedrun the game for the first time but I cant get livesplit to be on top. As far as i know there is no Borderless mode and running it windowed distracts me a lot.
could someone please tell me how to put it on top without windowed mode?
in steam - Hollow knight - Launch options type: -popupwindow
Thank you
Real time is 55:06. Pretty happy with that. Although my place on the leaderboard doesn't actually change๐
Even though I was 2 mins faster than my pb.
Congratulations! 
how should i get into speedrunning
How do i get in speedrunning?
This is how I got into: I started by watching people doing that, and passive learning the route/moves
Meanwhile learn and practice tech/skips/boss fights
Then putting it togheder trying to speedrun by myself, at the start with the goal of ending the game in 2 separate sessions; then hand by hand, getting faster and ending it in one session
Others instead started by just completing the game faster and faster, and then learning the techs and so on
That's up to you
do we have to go faster next time?
Go faster eventually maybe
trying and failing is fine too, it's the thought that counts (:
is the myla% beginner tournament still open?
Yes I think signups are open until the 15th.
I would say all skills for the main categories and a1uba for category extencions.
Menderbug% technically exists
I have heard 106% is easier than all skills, but the run is way longer so...
Thats not fun though imo
Do you know how 106% is I have heard it's easy.
I wouldn't call 106% easy
it's very long
it's definitely doable as a first category but learning the route and strategies will take some time
Comparatively any% is way easier than most categories
Like, low%, TE, 112% and GE are ones I'd never recommend as starting categories
GE?
Godhome Ending
Oh, right thats a thing, thats the only one on that list I have not tried.
TE is the hardest one I have tried of those imo
(To complete)
TE Radiance alone is the hardest single boss fight done in any main category imo
Harder than P5 in GE?
P5 as a whole is harder but no single boss in there is harder than TE Rad
Except maybe Gorb
P5 Gorb is the hardest fight to do fast in GE imo
I think I have to watch a GE run now. Gorb is uchally so free.
Gorb just moves too much to get any good damage in and then you have to keep at least 48 soul for Dung Defender scream skip
Try to shriek him, he goes off the top of the screen
Would Shade soul be better then?
Eh, I'll IL P5 a lot in the coming week, gonna figure something out
GL
That moment when you try speedrunning for the first time ever and land the double aspid stalactite kill first try
CP?
Current patch
1578
It's a fun trick on CP, and really hard on "cheater patch"
Sorry, I'm really new to speedrunning and don't know like any of the inside stuff. What's the cheater patch?
Thanks
1221
1221 is generally faster but also worse for lower end computers
oh yeah, thats got like spire lever skip and bauldr insta kill;
It also has shorter cutseenes, free inventory dropping and wall cling storage
And THK is quite a bit easier.
I wish 1578 had free inventory dropping >:L
I uchally don't go for invenory dropping in CP as it uchally only saves a secound or so.
but when you land it on things like crossroads shaft or resting grounds, it feels good
True, it is nice to get, you can also do it down from kings pass which is fun and only loses you 0.5 secounds if you get it.
that one's a lot harder for me for some reason
It is optimal not to inventory drop there but it's fun so I do it sometimes.
Hey does anyone know a good place to set up a bingo race? Iโm tryin to get into bingo.
You could try bingosync.com
i just downpatched my game to 1.2.2.1
i want to download the debug mod, how do i do that?
i have hollow knight on steam, by the way
can i get some help? i'm kind of stuck
i don't want to affect my save files
alright, i'm gonna ping someone, hope i don't get muted
@digital jewel could you help me out please?
It should be on speedrun.com, under resources iirc
!!! THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR HOLLOW KNIGHT VERSION 1.2.2.1 (the speedrunning patch) !!!
If you're on current patch, please find and use the modinstaller instead.
These downloads are a bit more up-to-date than the stuff I show in the video but I'm sure you guys will be able to figure it out
Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/81...
Good for you
nice
If only that was a category
Hey does anyone know why 106% is more popular than 100%?
because 106% largely obsoleted 100%
100% is run on a crap patch
Hey, 1.1.1.8 is only kinda terrible
@steady lynx can i get some help?
i've had some issues trying to download debug mod for 1.2.2.1 today
no one could explain why it didn't work for me
here, let me show you my hollow knight folder
If they couldn't help you in tech support in hksrcord there's nothing I can do
I'm better at in game stuff
this is my installation that i created
i don't know why it isn't working
i have the steam_appid thing and everything
uhhhhh
is this what a corrupted file looks like
Probably, that'd probably cause issues
How did you download it?
Depot downloader?
no
i downpatched using steam beta downpatch to 1.2.2.1
then i got hollow_knight_Data from modding api
and i put it in the folder
And the steam app id txt just has 367520 in it?
yes
Did you download modding api for 1221?
my mods folder has nothing except for debug mod
yes
And running the hollow knight app does what?
The modding api doesn't show up in the top left?
no
Did you put the folder in the right place with the right name?
The modding api
it's Hollow_knight_data
right? that was the only thing in the modding api zip file
Well, the api is just one file inside that, but yeah if you put that in and replaced existing stuff it should work
i dragged it over and replaced the regular data
well it doesn't
i even deleted all the "globalsettings.json" files
because people told me to
but that didn't fix it
Uh, well in that case I'd say probably just try reinstalling the whole thing. Try and get the mods to work while it's still in your steam instead of a separate patch, then make it it's own patch
You may want to try this specifically, which requires verifying game integrity, and then instead of using the installer re-add the modding api manually
#archived-modding-help message
hey im just getting started and im working on downpatching. Is there a problem if I go to Settings, properties, and then betas on steam and change it to 1.2.2.1 that way? I don't know if it works as a proper downpatch and don't want to mess up the first step
awesome thank you for the help
does the debug mod work on the current patch
I'm worried to download these really old ones idk if they work L:o
I want to be able to practice watcher knights without resetting but me dumbo
#scarab #modinstaller #1.5 #currentpatch #cp #debug
here is a link to 56's scarab releases. this is the best modinstaller option for hk 1.5.n.m by far. use this to get debug for practice, as well as any other mods.
it also has a toggle between modded and full vanilla, so you dont need to have two full installs for runs and practice
(Taken from the speedrun discord resources channel, and posted by Serpintext)
resources channel :o?
Yes, in the pinned discord to this channel
ohhhhh theres a separate speedrunning discord
lol thanks
i looked at it earlier and thought it was just the same server or something lol
It is very helpful for speedrunning, with strats, resources and seperate chats for each main category.
where can I get a load normaliser?

in the #resources section of the speedrunning discord (invite in pins)
Why the notch and nail upgrade?
how do it reset hollow knight achievements on a mac
Notch so spore shroon and shamans stone can be equipped at the same time, without overcharming. Spore shroom makes the hollow knight fight much easier and much faster, for me at least.
Nail upgrade cos I'm a pleb.
Also I didnt split when I grabbed the charm notch. Which is why it says +1:22. So I just split twice when I grabbed mantis claw which is why they both have the same split time.
Fwiw you can simply swap shaman and spore at Dirtmouth bench. You shouldn't be using spells at all in the THK fight
Fast
Talk about cutting it close
Oh, good to know. I'll change my route the next time I speedrun.
I cant really find a good tutorial for current patch seer slide, does anyone have a tutorial for it or can help?
make sure you are pressing dash right as you unpause
its really difficult on current patch, top runners still miss it
you only lose a few seconds if you can hit the inventory drop when you miss it
but i'm mashing dash at the same time as unpause
like a slight delay on dash but almost same time
your goal is to dash 3 times, so you can turn on hitboxes and see how ur moving, see if ur dashing late
Is it just about getting to the transition fast enough?
yep
and to do that u need to pause early enough, which is entirely a matter of mashing pause
buenaaaas
Spore shroom? Well that probably is still better then my shade soul. That takes so much time between geo and getting it.
Yeah getting the charm notch and shroom barely loses time. And I just found out you don't even need to get the charm notch. Just exclude shamans altogether for thk. So you only add like 15 seconds to your time getting spore shroom.
Probably less than 15 seconds
Well actually it depends. If you're doing qga you can't get spore shroom. It doesn't waste much time getting spore shroom if you take the other route because it's literally on the way
QGA is generally faster, but optimally you will only lose around 10-15s with Spore Shroom instead, and you cut out the hardest skip, one of the hardest sections (QG itself), and make the final fight pretty trivial.
i did the salbura's shade skip successfully for the first time!
Nice
Why does spore shroom make THK easier? I've heard this, but I still don't understand it
on 1432 there was a bug that made it deal much more damage than it should to THK
It seems like each individual of hitbox of spore Shroom deals damage, so the idea is that you cast spores in a situation where THK will go through loads of them
Oh, ok. Thx
new PB- Missed QGA 3 times before getting it one a fouth
8 cycle Uumuu 
I died at the CDash Gauntlet, right before underplat
(this time isnโt all that new, just figured iโd share my current pb, i actually did this like a week ago)
Hey I hope this is the right channel to ask this, I'm not in this server much so let me know if I'm in the wrong place.
I'm thinking of starting speedrunning casually but tbh I'm not very good at the game. I'm starting with a guide I found with a route for the 5hr achievement, but I'm stuck on watcher knights. I'm used to fighting them with upgraded nail and spells, more masks, shade cloak, etc. so I just kill them before they have the chance to kill me. Do yall have any tips for getting better at dodging them without shade cloak, or do I just need to git gud?
This is the biggest hurdle for new runners for sure.
Probably just practice a lot
Yeah, I was afraid that'd be the answer lol
I should probably get 112 before I even think about running
There might be some specific tips I'm not aware of.
I would say so. Just go have fun with P4, and if you still need a challenge, then speedruning is a good answer
Sounds good. Thank you ๐
Also, any% isnt the most beginner friendly route
A lot of people recommend 4 mask shards or all skills
All skills is great because you have good gear
Oooh. Yeah I've mostly watched any% or P5 runs, I haven't seen all skills
It's a little bit longer than any% I think, but it's easier
yeah I'll definitely look into that, thanks! ๐
Yw
Any tips for a starter speedruner?
Read a guide, and watch some runs. There is absolutely no better way to learn!
Fireborn's guide on YouTube is outdated, but remains one of the best resources.
Thanx
definitely just watch different runners, donโt get discouraged when your not insanely good like they are, it takes time. i still havenโt gotten my sub-1hr
Remember that most people can't complete this game in under 5h
Only 3.8% of people who own HK have completed it in under 10.
Remember that srcom is really only a very small, and pretty talented percentage of the HK community.
Yeah ik I had a mc Speedrun world record so I kinda have to learn and get used to algorithms
And find it's weaknesses
I never realised it was such a small amount. I mean in 5 hours you can get pretty jacked. 2 nail upgrades, maybe 3, get more masks, get more spells. Shouldn't be too bad no?
Just spam desolate dive on watcher Knights
I mean I honestly don't know how D-Dark + Shaman's isn't enough.
Also you never want more than 2 Nail Upgrades for bosses ๐
Why?
Nail 3 increases the health of many bosses
Oh no
As does nail 4
the cost increases and the relative damage benefit decreases
With nail3 WK has 240 health each instead of 220
Also this. There's a huge chunk of time getting two pale ore
Damn
So 2 nail upgrades in key then
When I went for pantheon, I was wondering why tf lost kin was taking so much of damage. Literally felt like the first time I fought him
The dream variants kinda became damage sponges
Guess they were meant to be endgame bosses
The Pantheons aren't affected, I don't believe
In Pantheons you really do just want everything if you can
Warrior dreams and grimmkin have the most extreme health increase; the difference between nail 2 + strength and nail 3 + strength (relevant for spelless TE) on no eyes is one nail hit
As in two more pale ore and 2000 geo saves one singular nail hit on no eyes (and marmu and some of the other warrior dreams)
I still find this a little ridiculous, especially after accidentally getting a sub 10 hours on my second ever run (steel soul)
More people have done that then beat the game without dying
Ridonkulous
I remember when I got the sub 5 goal I used 4hours and 5X minutes. Half of the time was on getting to black egg temple and the rest was beating the Hollow Knight. I followed Fireborns guide
Bruh. My pb is under an hour
It's 52:17
Current patch?
o k
lmao i posted in the wrong channel, hi ig
im tryna speed run but everytime i enter a new save i cant attack
Are you using mouse?
yea
You need to bind your mouse buttons to a keyboard key using an external app. This is a known bug. If you head to the server in the pins and search for blue.exe that does this for you.
The pinned message if this channel
Then search that server using discords search function
What's everyone's keyboard and mouse setup? I'd like to start playing on keyboard and mouse instead of switch and was wondering what everyone's controls were?
kbm imo is superior I play:
WASD - movement
E - Focus
Q - Quick csst
I - Inventory
Space bar - Jump
ctrl - super dash
shift - dash
TAB - Map
isnt the inventory better in y or 2?
y? you mean y on controller?
y on keyboard would be awful with my binds
2 wouldnt be bad at all
yeah 2 is perfect for kyboard imo
depends what you keys you use to move and what your comfortable with thats the thing about kbm you can find people with odd binds still mechanically as strong as people with the "average" controls
I cant deal with arrow keys to move for example from my experience with fps games and wasd movement
Thank you!
guys, how should i take on the speedrun achievement. i am not here for the lowest time, but i want to do all of the speedrun completions
its there a good link to the best routes available
?srpsa
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
i beqat hollow knight with 39 hours witch placement am i in
im struggling to get under two hours rn
watcher knights are jerks
same with hk LOL
may i ask something? i'm just setting up livesplit and why is there a "queen's garden's" split on the split maker? do you NEED to get through the gardens to beat the game?
No, it's just a standard split for the fastest route, if you want to do the easier Deepnest route you can just remove the split
thanks
1 more question
in the auto split thing do i put "ending" on the last split?
no. you don't need a final split event
Good for you
Hi, about getting depots
I don't trust the fact that the downloader
wants my username and password
to download the depots
don't use it then if you prefer not to
I'm just asking here
?guides
if it is trustworthy
Hollow Knight Discord: https://discord.gg/hollowknight
.NET Core: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet-core
DepotDownloader: https://github.com/SteamRE/DepotDownloader/releases
List of Depot/Manifest Numbers: https://pastebin.com/JCKRcL7M
SRC Downpatching (Multiple Installed Patches): https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten
If...
Saw it from this video
and it linked this server
it is trustworthy
read the guide on downloading other patches
which patch are you looking for
Alright thanks, just a bit apprehensive
actually I am doing this for another game
was looking for guides and this one
seemed really useful
ok
if you read the guide there's a way to do it within steam
so you don't need to put your steam details manually
it does
Huh, what?
read the guide
yes
well im gonna do that instead
no worries
will speedrun submissions be affected if debug mod is installed but not enabled?
Yes
They'll get instantly rejected
All runs on main and meme boards must be done on a completely clean vanilla install
then is uninstalling scarab the only way to remove this?
do you mind taking a ss for me?
bottom left
says "toggle api"
if that's greyed out, then use steam's verify file integrity function to make your game vanilla
yes its greyed out. thanks everyone!!
in me and my friend's co-op room randomizer run I accidentally activated this lever through the floor and my friend cannot do it
I was wondering if anyone had a consistent setup for it so my friend can do it too
turn on the QOL option for 1221 levers
tyvm
Hey is it possible to get to nailmaster Oro without mothwing cloak and without shadeskip?
Also without glitch exploits
you can get mantis claw and then crystal dash to get there
epogo/fireball skip to claw -> tram -> KE
if you watch a low% nmg run you'll see the path all the way to the tram
maybe. although it's not very unique
Sounds like Great hopper% steal soul
Do you have a link?
great hopper% steel soul would still get mothwing cloak
I beat it in 5 minutes and cannot prove it because i definitely did but won't prove it
Good for you
hitting levers through walls is one of the most satisfying things about 1221
Beware Watcher Knight.
Yeah I feel like they are going to be the hardest part of the run
That and deepnest
Wish me luck guys
I will tell you how I did when I finish
Beware watcher Knights
Beware ummu
Beware the hollow knight
Beware everything
Same thing happened on my first run. And still happens sometimes
Also. Is dashmaster not worth equipping in the run?
it's rather slow to get and once you have crystal dash the benefit is very small
plus overcharming in any case is slow
Damn
Something interesting I found, not sure whether this is a bug or just the way it was intended. But fury of fallen does not nullify if you pick up lifeblood on cp. So you can get down to 1 mask but have as many lifeblood masks as you want and still deal the fury of the fallen damage. And obviously if you get it it takes away from your lifeblood mask and you still have the damage boost
*get hit
Is what I meant to say
But the moment you heal a mask or sit on a bench the damage buffer disappears.
@polar cypress I just started learning any percent like a month ago and its been super fun. fireb0rn has a tutorial series for every part of the setup process and the run. Its like a year old at this point and so so the movement has been optimized since then but it does give a lot of good information. Heres a link to the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aCaVTAUtc&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH
This is a video explaining all the setup that is recommended before starting Hollow Knight speedruns. Please view the rest of this description for links and timestamps to skip through the video.
https://discord.gg/hollowknight
SELECTING A CATEGORY ..... 2:19
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/
DOWNPATCHING ..... 12:24
https://www.speedrun....
also thats super interesting @fickle walrus 
Also when you pick up a charm notch, the game heals you to full health. So when I was at 1 health, had fury of the fallen equipped and pick up a charm notch, my health replenished fully but the red streaks that indicate fury of the fallen is active was still on screen even though I was at full health. It only disappear when I got hit, also I didnt test if you actually still have the damage buff or it was just an error with the interface, so I'm not sure. Also even if you still do have the damage buff, this method is much worse than the lifeblood trick cos you can still get hit and have the buff
yes blue hearts don't take away the fury buff. that's intended
also picking up a charm notch lets you keep it as well
that's most likely unintended
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neither of those change the numbers with fury of the fallen in any% though
they would both take extra time to take advantage of
What sort of charms are used in other hollow knight speedruns?
The main speed charms in 1xx categories are shaman stone, spell twister, dashmaster, and dream wielder
in 106% for example they use fury and soul catcher early on, but fury gets switched out for spell twister and then soul catcher gets removed for shaman stone
With others such as grimmchild (required) and soul eater for colos
The main reason why those are all used is because you have to pick them up anyway
Ah I see
Is there a speedrun category where the goal is just to pick up every charm?
Yes, it's called salubra's blessing%
There's also all charm notches, which requires 25 of the 40 charms to be able to buy all of salubra's notches
And several charm-specific categories, like lifeblood core% and nailmaster's glory% and mark of pride%
And elegy%
Oh cool
They sound sick
They are! Meme cats (that's what we call non-main-board categories) are very fun
And there are a lot of them
Around 80 I believe
How long do some meme cats take?
Like salubra's blessing% for example?
Salubra's blessing% is about two hours loadless, but there are much shorter and longer meme cats
One of the shortest is 4 mask shards, which is to complete a mask
You can check speedrun dot com for times
One of the longest is pantheon 5 boss order, where you fight all of the bosses in the base game in the order you encounter them in P5 (around 3 hours but I couldn't think of any longer ones)
4 mask shards is about 8 minutes
Does All Achievements count? ๐
Low% TE dropless
That's probably just hard rather than long
That sounds perfect for a beginner
4MS is one of the the mainly recommended beginner categories
Any%, All Skills, and 4MS
I also recommend myla%; it's short and helps you practice some of the major early sections of any% and all skills
Technically a main-board cat
I mean it's in the same place as 107%, which is undeniably main-board
But yeah all achievements is 8 hours long
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8 hours is the optimal time I'm guessing. So for most people it's even longer
Which makes that run absolutely insane
It's also a tradition to run that category after getting twitch partner, so it isn't something that most people do
Ah I see
Also I'm just realising you need to beat p5. So barely anyone can even compete the run. Myself included
Sounds horrible
Lmao here's a map of the entire route of 112% in one image (though it is outdated)
It isn't a 112 route
mine isn't, I mean
If you say so
At least 112 doesn't require p5. So that's doable
It's just so
NEAT
ugh
wait there's no timer for messages?
I mean I guess that's why they call it #speedrunning
Bet you can't guess what the route is.
For a number of reasons
'Sup
There is no cooldown
It does
112% doesn't but the category does
We woo we woo we woo
Imagine forgetting rules, couldn't be me
They found me
uhhhh
I'm going to escape to a different channel
Why?
Because we already have to do the first four and we're already in godhome
The full name is 112% all pantheon bosses, which includes absrad
OK that makes sense
speedrun deleting hollow knight after installing it
thats truly the best category
Sacrilege
sry for the noob question, but let me ask
my livesplit doesn't work automatically after downpatching HK. it used to work before that so i guess setting-up was done properly. what kind of reason do you guys think there is?
what is happening exactly? Timer not starting, not splitting?
both, not starting automatically and not splitting automatically even if manually started
Right click on livesplit -> Edit splits, and make sure the autosplitter is activated
if it is then go into settings and make sure that the autosplits are set up correctly
yep it says autosplitter is activated (can go into setting and displays "Deactivate" button)
click on the settings button next to deactivate
like this
ok turn off end-triggering autosplit that will mess up the final split
The other thing to try is opening livesplit after HK
sometimes it won't find the game properly if you open HK second
Nice! GL on your runs
you too!
Im starting to learn how to speedrun and I have set up live split already. earlier it was working just fine in fullscreen mode and was showing up. I downloaded the debug menu mod for 1.2.2.1 and then tried doing it again and now it will not work unless the game is windowed. after that i tried getting rid of the debug mod to see if that would change anything and it didnt. is there a fix for this?
put "-popupwindow" in steam launch options for HK
how do i do that?
open steam library, right click HK -> properties
should be a box down the bottom called launch options
its with the dash at the beginning right?
yes
it still isn't working
I kill massive moss charger in 7 minutes and 56 seconds
bullymosscharger%
Bullymosscharger% could be fighting him in gp then every fight in hall of gods
Ending after you kill him in radiant form
"Kill 4 different Massive Moss Chargers"
greenpath, hall of gods, pantheon 1 and?
Iโm not sure about p5
Just all 3 Hall of Gods modes
But yes, I like "Kill six different MMCs". Ends at the beginning of p5 lol
I've been trying to create a new one; OST% you have to listen through all 24 tracks in-game, but It's proving difficult to route.
mh
Basically every category has a "current patch" section โ๏ธ
Only categories like 106% don't have one because is 1221 only
But CP has 112% which is Current Patch only
not unless you have QoL mod, so generally no
You will want to follow current patch guides
Larry the spike asked for a distraction
You'll have to kill Mario and make the normal route if you are speaking about the one before WatcherKnights
Scam???
any tips for beating Watcher Knights in Any% run? so strong...
practice
Hi! Quick question about speedrunning Any%.
What are the downside of doing it on the current patch?
I can't do the inventory-thing right?
Are there more disadvantages?
lever before Watcher Knights
yep, that's truth...
there's not really a tip or trick or shortcut for WKs. just gotta put in the time
understood. thx
There's lots of changes but since it's different leaderboards I wouldn't view it as a disadvantage
I've ran both and cp has some cool movement that 1221 doesn't do because of inventory or other changes, like left side spire
Cp has a harder uumuu harder thk and a less consistent early game, but has a way easier late game, option for sporeshroom, etc
It's really just a preference thing now, especially since CP has become more popular, it's become more competitive
2MSC%
livesplit
and how do i make that i the pic, like sections
like in vengeful spirit there is fury, knight and spirit again
i dont know how
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl this is really useful
about what
the split maker i think its called
just before part 1
the hk splitmaker
yes
if you download it and then add it to live split
that
i believe it puts the splits in for you
oh
no
you should join it
everyone can help a lot ther
but basically
one sec
so basically you put your splits that you want in the red circled area, and it makes a splits file that you can then import into live split
you can use pre made splits, or creat your own
ok its actually not that hard
where is the speedrun server
i invited you
thanks
but what you can do
is select from the drop down menu in the top left
a pre made rout
obviously the optimal one
How much time does chinese save over english? Could someone flex incredibly hard and get wr using english?
i think with how optimized
the route is
wr with english would be nearly impossible
i think its at least 5 seconds
Very unlikely. English is around 30s slower
oh damn, there's a lot more dialogue than I thought
How does the game even decide how fast dialogue goes
I heard itโs based on how many characters
But what does that mean exactly
oh my god imagine a speedrun to read every line of text in the game including dream nail dialogue
Hey, hows everyone doing here
decided im going to setup hollow knight for speedrunning and like... do a run this weekend
still deciding on a category... anyone have any suggestions?
if u just want to hop in and do a main board run, any% is the go-to; it's short and theres plenty of route variations that make things easier
any% NMG Current patch?
if ur ok with doing a little bit of practice beforehand, all skills is a great option, the main difficult parts are 2 sets of dark rooms, early isma's skips, and fighting hornet 2, but everything else is simple enough
any% nmg either on 1221 or current patch, 1221 is slightly easier imo but takes a slight bit more setup
if u want to do smth glitched, true ending all glitches is fun, theres a guide for it somewhere iirc
is 1221 what most people set up? havent looked into how to downpatch, but im watching a guide by..
Fireborn actually
seems informative
yep, 1221 is the most popular patch and the fastest for any% and almost all other categories
alright, I'll probably do that then
the catch is it runs terribly on many computers
oh lol
so if u have questional specs (see: <150fps on current patch) then u would probably want to stay on cp
I have an I7-8700 and a gtx 1060... should be more than enough to run hollowknight
never really had an issue
yeah that sounds like plenty enough for 1221
#DontGatekeepPotatoGamers
(note that the downpatching method fire introduces is outdated and theres an easier way through steam if u have the game there; see #modding-discussion pins for how to do so for either 1221 or 1432)
In his description I see theres a section that mentions its outdated and theres a better steam method
links to a vid by Verulean
DepotDownloader?
not sure if even that one's right now lemme check

Speedrun.com mod, eh?
you got a suggestion for a category as well?
probably just gonna do any%nmg on 1221... seems easiest to begin with
it's the most common choice
seems to have the most guides as well
Thank you! gonna follow fireborns guide and like... mod things... might take a few hours I guess
that was way easier to set up than I thought it would be
Hey just wondering is there anyway to see your livesplit timer while playing? Do i have to change my game to no fullscreen or smthin?
If you put "-popupwindow" in steam launch options it should open the game in borderless fullscreen which should let livesplit be on top
What about if you have the game on microsoft store?




Im running current patch, and for some reason even though im holding right, in the forgotten crossroads goam room im getting hit by the second goam
Any clue why?
your jump over the first one is probably too high/long
hey im curently trying to setup a debug version for 1.2.2.1 but it makes my game look like this. Was wondering if anyone had an idea of what i could do. I followed fireb0rn's guide on speedrun.com and everything worked until the debug mod. Thx
you must've deleted assets
screenshot your folders
do the hollowknight_Data Managed and whatever folder hollowknight_Data is in
omg i got it
thank you you made me check everything and i think i didnt copy all the things right
play the game, but fast
:noddingknight:
agreed
hello
Hi, im trying to record a run but i have a bad laptop and i cant use some recording software, can anyone help me with this?
You might want to provide more details, especially concerning what particularly you want help with
Im trying to record two windows but i cannot record livesplit and hollow knight at the same time with the built in screen recorder (xbox game bar) and every other -free- screen recorder lags the gameplay and therefore the video is bad quality
i am running windows 10 on an ASUS laptop
i want a solution that allows me to record livesplit over hollow knight without/or with minimum performance issues
fascinating
If the problem is your computer being a potato, then there might not be a good solution
(Besides get a hardware upgrade)
When you say "every other free screen recorder" what have you actually tried? (Maybe you haven't actually tried "every one" and people may have suggestions of other things for you to try) But if it comes down to it there's always the good old point a camera at your screen strat.
yeah, i guess so
ive tried almost all of them i could find
I'm very new to speedrunning so i haven't set up a timer and I usually look at the timer on the save. But does anyone know if that timer pauses at room transitions?
It does not and is inaccurate in many other ways as well
alright thanks a lot ill be getting the actual timer now
if using obs - i play on arguably the lower end of settings and specs u would realistically want to run on, i can provide help if u want
(though if u already get lower than 100fps w/o framerate cap there might not be much u can do...)
hey, any tas makers here? im wondering if it might theoretically be possible to pogo out of kingspass at the start of the game
with 3 flies + your shade
i think it might be possible to get up this path, plus considering you can land on the edge of these spikes without taking damage. but on the top, after you go to the next room, it seems like this area is a dead end
you can't get up at all in the next room without glitches
major glitches?
yes
Tfw your first run takes you over 3 hours... and obs wasn't recording 
OMG RAY JUST GOT THE NEW WR TIME
What category?
Is there a save file with all the endgame stuff already collected just for practicing bosses?
I assume there's some kind of practice file people use, but I can't seem to find it
?guides
no. yesterday
some room duping shit
thanks, that's all the info I needed to give up on understanding it
basically - u can load multiple rooms on top of each other, or one room on top of itself multiple times; this can be manipulated to get multiple dreamers from one room duped over itself 3 times
wack
Mfw I get a Sub hour and my run didn't record
If you did it once you can do it again!
are there speedrunning categories for the pantheons?
yeah if you look on SRC they're under individual level
sorry it's called Level leaderboard
I've done it twice
I mostly just do p5 runs for fun
Three resources section of srcom, as linked above.
Iโm thinking about getting into speed running, but first, where can I look for the rules like what version to play, if you can use QOL mods, etc?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight
You have to search for the category you want to try and check "view rules" - everything will be written here
There are different categories: for the main one you can't use any mod
But if you want to use QoL there is a separate category
Thx
sorry for this rather basic question but I am to stupid to find answers online: How do you guys train bossfights for the runs? Do you just do the run over and over again or is there a way to do them over and over again?
We use a mod that allows us to make savestates before the fight
Then reload it
If you're on console you're out of luck though
does anyone know a good 112% run in 1080p60 i can watch?
Seems like the record isn't available in 1080p60 but number 2 is, here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHr2djgiNd0&t=3s
Got better top2 with Uumuu death lol. We keep going tho, follow me on twitch for live runs: https://twitch.tv/valig0
Monstah's Internet kinda had issues as he was streaming the current record
Alternatively whenever Blue finishes a run we'll also have that
which mod would that be? is it part of scarab?
I'd have to ask one of the 1.5 runners if it's on Scarab
Alt join the pinned server and ask in tech support there
will do that, thank you! ๐
Debug mod
How to reset livesplit? I accidentsly let it on all night and im like 8h on final split
Everything are now good times lol
Please i really need help
If you f2 you should reset the run and the game should ask you if you want to keep the splits
If that's what you mean, otherwise you might be meaning to delete the times: in that case there should be an option on the bottom left of livesplit if I'm not mistaken
Otherwise I don't get what you mean 
go to "edit splits"
Okay
Your can delete a specific one from the table or delete like "clear Sum of Best" from the bottom left (?)
Tips for any% watchers?
route in upgrades or grind practice
oh yeah
Need help
Speedrunning hollow knight
i need images to make livesplit speedrun
like Fireborn's Image in livesplit speedrun
My first any% attempt (i did not follow the normal route
I got extra stuff which is shade soul and Ismaโs tear)
My goal was 3 hours or less and I am very happy I managed to do it
There is a ZIP file somewhere with all the icons
I'm not at home right now, I can send it later if none has done it
I feel like anyone who talks in this chat would know that Shaman Stone is by far the best charm in the game
Spells pretty easily outclasses nail damage until you have nail4 really
Nail 3 imo
Depends on situation, nail3 with narts is great in colos in late 1xx
Yeah
Especially with the new Fury colos
I really need to get back into 1xx, but having too much fun with GE right now
guys, how do you get to city of tears in steel soul mode?
City crest
the fastest way is with tram pass
is there not a faster way?
because it gets you into the right side of city
You could look on speedrun dot com
anyone have a list of reasons why livesplit won't auto start on game start? I think I've done everything in the "how to livesplit" document correctly, but I could have just missed something.
is your autosplitter enabled? are you starting livesplit after the game? do you have autosplit events set?
enabled like this?
I've tried starting it after the game
what are the autosplit events?
so I need to add them all manually?
you'll need to add all split events that tell the autosplitter when to trigger
don't need one
game start and end are hard coded events
unless you check the boxes at the top to change that
"start trigger autosplit" and "end trigger autosplit"
so don't check them?
unless you're doing an IL category, no. leave them blank
you might be able to import the category's split events from hksplitmaker
but not sure
that's what I tried but it didn't add so I'l just do it manually
does anyone know how to do a fireball skip?
proper timing and using quick cast
those are the icons
Do it again. If your auto splitter isn't activated when you import them out only imports the split layout thing, not the auto splits themselves.
Import it again?
Or just add the split events
Just adding the events should get it to work no?
Just import it again. You can drag and drop the lss file you downloaded straight into LiveSplit and it will add everything now
hi! any help on the watcher knights? I can manage to get over it consistantly, and being unable to try the speedrun past them is really frustrating
route in upgrades (like nail 1 or shade soul), or grind practice
if u just want to finish runs, then ssoul/nail 1 are the best options to do so. they make wk slightly easier to beat and lose relatively low amounts of time (1ish minute for nail 1, about 3-4 minutes for shade soul probably?)
if u want to stick with the optimal nail 0 shaman route, watch guides and practice. it's the hardest fight for a reason and not easy to get consistent
it's also a decently complex fight so a guide is going to be great for learning "how to beat them"
so... the autosplitter is starting at the start of the game, which is good, but when i compare to game time the timer sits at 0 and if i compare to real time, it counts up as normal... (i have the detailed timers timing method set to "Current Timing Method" in the layout settings). What am i doing wrong? 
usually this is caused by not having autosplits set up in the settings; go to edit splits -> autosplitter settings and make sure that u have autosplits set up for points where u want to split
ahh hmm im using the splits that were in the resources tab... maybe something is janky with them
and if u downloaded splits from src/splitmaker sometimes the autosplits can disappear when u load in the file, loading it in again should fix it
ah yeah i was typing that lol

yepyep, that was the fix, tyvm 
also, discovered 1.2.2.1 is in the betas now in steam, holy crap its a miracle (its been a while since ive done any runs)
Guys I am a new speed runner and I need help because my controller or game doesnโt let me inventory drop which is really annoying. Please help.
Also why do we need to put the language in Chinese (or whatever it is I really donโt know) does it make your game run faster or something?

