Hey, I am looking for some help with LiveSplit. I want to set it up to count game time rather than real time. I can see where there is the option to set the detailed timer to Game Time and the compare against also to Game Time. But LiveSplit never counts any time.
#speedrunning
stiff hare
I also have the configurable load remover/autosplitter (by DevilSquirrel) activated though I am not using the autosplitter feature
stiff hare
I have all my splits set up with hot keys to switch to the next split. I need to have them all in auto split or just add one to the autosplit?
snow dome
You need to add splits to your auto splitter to manually split them
Use Mr Mushroom or something and just put a bunch in
You'll want one fewer than the number of splits you have.
Also you should just use the auto splitter
stiff hare
One fewer? Is that because it will automatically detect the end of the run?
stiff hare
Awesome. I will try that and also use the auto splitter
snow dome
If you're only playing until like... Something that isn't the end of the game then you'll need the same number instead
stiff hare
Yep, Any% NMG
snow dome
You can get a splits file for any% that's already set up for you
stiff hare
I have been practicing for a bit with my current splits and I have an idea of when I should hit where. I will probably just stick with my current splits but just set them up with auto splitter. Thank you very much!
stiff hare
Thank you, again. I haven't had a chance to actually see the autosplitter in action but it is now counting and showing game time. I appreciate your help!
snow dome
At the end of the day the only split that matters is the last one, so whatever makes you play best is what you should use, but manually splitting is just extra stuff to think about, so do at least consider it.
stiff hare
Oh, I set it up to auto split for me, I just haven't done the start of a run to see that it is working properly. But I 100% agree that the autosplitter would be the way to go. Then I won't forget to hit the hotkey and lose out on timing a given split.
snow dome
If you head to the speedrun discord in the pins you can see what other people use. There's then a list of the best times ever gotten and stuff for each split
analog monolith
Use Mr Mushroom or something and just put a bunch in
(for the record "Manual Split" is a thing in autosplitter now)
snow dome
Whey!
echo rover
I have a question about fakedives
What makes them so rng reliant
weary root
just play on 1.5 where they're consistent 
slim geyser
I have a question about fakedives
What makes them so rng reliant
i don't think anyone knows the actual answer
everything about the trick has been tested
setups, dive timings, left or right side
sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
echo rover
just play on 1.5 where they're consistent <:mathulStonks:899806029536178176>
Ikr
Also dash master fix
1.5 is great
On 1.5 just stand next to the dove floor see where it shakes and then you can easily fakedive
valid verge
So Depot Downloader just opens and closes for me I have .Net installed but it still wont work
digital jewel
what patch are you trying to download
valid verge
Im actually trying to use this for a diff game but this was the best resource I could find for depot Downloader
the Depot downloader just closes as soon as I open it see as yall use it I figured someone might have had the same issue
digital jewel
with this you can download the patch inside steam
valid verge
Oh shit okay thank you
Thanks it worked! appreciate the help a lot considering it was unrelated to this game
digital jewel
np at all
foggy hamlet
What can I use for record speedruns if my pc isn't powerful ?
stuck raptor
your phone
foggy hamlet
ah ok thanks
timber mango
hey im sorry if this is a stupid question but are you allowed custom skins for hk speedruns?
stuck raptor
no
timber mango
thank you
stuck raptor
game must be entirely vanilla
timber mango
i guessed so
stuck raptor
(unless the category specific rules say otherwise)
timber mango
thank you :>
tall prawn
How do all glitches runs work?
Like do you have to do all known glitches ingame? I dont understand
stuck raptor
no
all glitches just means there's no restrictions
you can use any known glitches
stuck raptor
go for it
snow dragon
do you guys/girls/other genders have any tips for how to start speed runs? im on switch btw
stuck raptor
join the pinned discord, watch runs, watch guides
tall prawn
you could have just said yall
stuck raptor
and just get started
tall prawn
Lmao
snow dragon
thx
stuck raptor
the hardest part of starting is finishing your first run
tall prawn
has anybody done a onehanded speedrun
snow dragon
dont think so
tall prawn
If i wanted to learn speedrunning i could do that probably
but i dont care enough to learn the any%
snow dragon
lol
cunning tide
Random question about speed running, does pressing the charm/inventory button before falling make you fall faster or something? Because I've seen people do that before falling.
stuck raptor
Kind of
It removes the speed cap
So you keep accelerating from gravity
It also lets you skip the hard fall animation
knotty vigil
Yeah
It was patched out in lifeblood tho, so if you wanna do it in the vanilla game downpatch to 1221 or get qol for current patch
snow dome
Fwiw you can do it on current patch but you need to open inventory on the frame you drop off a ledge
snow dragon
its hard to do frame perfect
solar kite
hollow knight speedrun idea: any% but every x minutes, you die
really low might mean you have to get gear upgrades to beat hk in time
sounds like it could have cool rouiting
snow dome
If it's like 5m it's not going to make much difference
If it's 1m it's going to mean taking extra benches early and just running to benches between.
elder halo
C
analog monolith
If it's 1m it's going to mean taking extra benches early and just running to ben...
1m is impossible bc of wk
fastest wk is probably going to end up being about 45s from entry
which is already over a minute from death event with a dgate right there
stuck echo
Could you even get dgate to try and fish for other upgrades tho?
Because if you can then you might be able to get stacked enough to do some of the bosses much faster
analog monolith
u need to do wk to beat the game
stuck echo
You can do those under a minute I think
true palm
knotty vigil
So I'm new to speedrunning and I want to learn some tricks, is there any good website or vid that shows some of this off? (just dm me gotta wake up at 5:30)
snow dome
?guides
sick ravenBOT
livid lichen
I recently started speedrunning and installed 1.2.2.1 but I requently get lagspikes when killing enemies or getting hit. Is there a way I can fix this?
livid lichen
ah ok
snow dome
Obviously don't expect this to be fixed ever. 👀
livid lichen
yeah i know XD
livid lichen
I fixed it by transferring the files to my SSD it works now!
snow dome
Skurry is really good at the game it turns out
timber mango
hey is there a way to put livesplit over your game without it being windowed cuz my laptop bad
ping me if there is please :>
snow dome
There is not
timber mango
ah thank you
wanton cedar
Dashmater lets you dash up? Can it be used for some skip? I don't know how long would it yske to get it in context...
steady lynx
You can't dash up with dashmaster, I tried that casually
iron bone
guys i need help with downpatching
steady lynx
Steam?
iron bone
ye
snow dome
Which patch?
iron bone
i don't wanna buy the game again
steady lynx
1221 should be a public beta
iron bone
1.2.2.2
snow dome
If you need 1221 or 1432, check the third pinned message in #archived-modding-help
I assume you meant 1221
1222 isn't used for anything
It is bad
And might not even exist
steady lynx
1222 is a beta patch that's not allowed for runs
snow dome
The instructions tell you to select 1432, obviously select 1221 instead
steady lynx
It's the one that fixes lever skips but nothing after 1221 was released because 1.3 was being worked on
snow dome
Either way you want 1221 or just current patch works fine
wanton cedar
You can't dash up with dashmaster, I tried that casually
Why would i dash down lmao
I mean, only down.
steady lynx
Ask team cherry, I'm sure they'll respond
slow pivot
Hello, I'm practicing mantis pogo on debug mod and i accidentally saved my game after activating the lever. Is there a way to reset the room to its original state? (setting the lever to unflicked again)
and also, a second question out of curiosity... why does debug mod flash sly's basement for a split second when loading states?
steady lynx
It's just how it clears enemies and stuff between
snow dome
and i need to ask another question
Right click hollow knight in Steam
Properties
Betas
Click the drop down box and select 1221
cursive marsh
I was going for godhome ending but it crashed on abs rad's last form
toxic crater
Hi there !
I am new here on this server and have a question on a scream skip for lost kin...
Im speedrunnung NMG 112 % APB on the switch and when i got to lost kin shortly before the scream i accindently opened the inventar and after i closed it i could move again and hit lost kin like in the scream skips for DD or Collector...
My question is... is it a switch only skip ? Because i didnt see that skip done by other speedrunners.
vagrant warren
Sounds like inventory storage, which is considered a major glitch.
still condor
ah thank you
you can he lied
toxic crater
Sounds like inventory storage, which is considered a major glitch.
Ahhh i didnt know that... sad that i cant use it for NMG
timber mango
you can he lied
oh you can?
sorry i have no idea when it comes to this lol
do u know how to?
still condor
If you open steam right click hollow knight click properties and launch game options and then type in -popupwindow
timber mango
thank you :>
stuck raptor
that is still windowed
just borderless windowed. you have to turn fullscreen off in game as well
silent notch
hi! I'm new to the whole HK speedrunning thing, but a friend and I have started a little speedrunning race with a new category that we made up (as far as I know we came up with it at least) called "bretta/zote%" the goal is to get both Bretta and Zote in Dirtmouth, and I would like some help routing if y'all don't mind (current patch)
steady lynx
Isn't that one of the couple categories? @ Quack
silent notch
it might be, as I said it was an original idea, though it may already be a thing
steady lynx
Mostly thinking if Quack has done any routing in the past
Though feels like it'd just be Zote% plus a bit more
silent notch
ya zote is the main time sink in it
steady lynx
In category extensions on src if you manage to navigate that mess to the end there should be a Zote%
silent notch
I'll check there
snow dome
you can he lied
They, not he. And also you were wrong.
still condor
They, not he. And also you were wrong.
ok.
stark birch
hi! I'm new to the whole HK speedrunning thing, but a friend and I have started ...
Yeah, this specific thing doesn't exist, but it overlaps pretty wholesale with Zote% (beat colo zote), which is one of the oldest extension categories that exists. Also in the same ballpark is GPZ% which was recently added officially to /hkmemes, which fulfills the condition of the run you set forth, but also has the GPZ fight (and consequently broken vessel because of GPZ's wings requirement)
and unofficially scrappy couple, which not only brings bretta and zote to dirtmouth but ends their story appropriately
strong vessel
I was actually thinking of a category yesterday — I was calling it "elderbug has company", which is a stupid name, but anyway
Just get everyone in dirtmouth (outside) to be there at once
Banishment, traitor lord, colo 1 with zote
It would include that
Another grimm quest category but you thankfully don't have to fight grimmkin nightmares, and also shade cloak
strong vessel
hi! I'm new to the whole HK speedrunning thing, but a friend and I have started ...
If you want a route for that, you can follow the zote% route — https://pastebin.com/KWYVyfn7 (it says 1221 but the route isn't any different on current patch). You'd just rescue bretta after claw before going to deepnest
If you want an easier colo 1, you can grab the idol next to deepnest zote, then stop the tram at basin, get the pale ore, head up to city, sell the idol to lemm, and go buy nail 2 from the Nailsmith
silent notch
That was my plan
twin pawn
does everyone here practice with only the debug mod and no other mods?
tribal pollen
Hello everyone! I have an idea for a speedrun sub-category of ‘all stag stations’ called ‘StagNest%’ where instead of having to get all of the statiobs you only need to get to the stag nest in a skip I unoriginally call the vengefly skip. I have a good rout in my head, but other suggestions are good
analog monolith
Hello everyone! I have an idea for a speedrun sub-category of ‘all stag stations...
this kind of exists through the 3 vessel fragments category, which (optimally) gets stag nest vessel fragment as its last fragment, and does aforementioned vengefly pogo. can be found at: https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#3_Vessel_Fragments
(note that said vengefly pogo is very cursed)
snow dome
does everyone here practice with only the debug mod and no other mods?
Pretty much the best mod for practice, yeah
tribal pollen
this *kind of* exists through the 3 vessel fragments category, which (optimally)...
Do they use monarch wings for it, or do they do some other ridiculous height gaining method?
snow dome
They do not
You have to damage boost upwards front the vengefly, Pogo, and use VS to air stall to get high enough.
tribal pollen
That gets you as much height as 2 double jumps and a pogo?
twin swallow
<@&283547423706447872>
it's not a terribly difficult skip to do mechanically, but positioning the vengeflies in the right spot so you can pogo them one at a time without losing height is hard
they tend to group together and if you hit both of them at the same time you won't gain enough height
strong vessel
Yeah stag nest% would be worse 3VF but you skip the first two and just go there directly after claw
(No 3VF is true 3VF unless it does KS arena route 😤)
tribal pollen
How do you get 3 vengeflies over there? They lose aggro
strong vessel
https://youtu.be/TNVwQ8ECawk&t=1100 Current 3VF world record
crude spoke
question for speedrunners: are fireball skips always made easier with more available casts?
normal aspen
Yeah I can't really think of one where that isn't the case
analog monolith
for a first-time runner, a couple nice starting points are any% and all skills
any% is a bit shorter and more popular but has the dreaded any% watcher knights fight, all skills is a bit nicer in terms of bosses but has a bit more tricky movement with a couple dark rooms and also still has hornet 2
gritty herald
is there a route that gets pure nail early, that I could casually follow? I'm only missing that achievement (nailsmith quest).
wicked trench
HappyCouple% I'd say
charred garnet
Yeah that's about it
spiral plank
will this not be faster?
digital jewel
you can only dash once midair
digital jewel
yep
spiral plank
and then dash trough the gap
shouldn't that be faster than the current wr pop% route
charred garnet
Ye that's what most PoP speedruns do
That's what I do
And I suck lol
But ye it save a couple secs
1ish
low nacelle
Is there any way to easily practice an area over and over in switch version since you can get savestates
charred garnet
Not rlly sorry
snow dragon
I was actually thinking of a category yesterday — I was calling it "elderbug has...
skurry did that he called it dirtmouth%
digital jewel
they*
analog monolith
shouldn't that be faster than the current wr pop% route
yes, but i think the runner just deemed it too risky to go for that or smth
pop being the most run movement IL means theres a lot of faster strats that have been labbed out but a lot of them are super hard and only viable in IL runs and not an hour in to a basically fullgame run
strong vessel
is there a route that gets pure nail early, that I could casually follow? I'm on...
Purity/happy couple are categories dedicated to those achievements but they aren't exactly easy
Maybe you could follow the route but buy nail 3 before colos?
sand terrace
where can I find downloadable splits for the any% nmg category?
that will work with livesplit
keen monolith
anyone have an up to date video on how to downpatch?
stuck raptor
to what patch
stuck raptor
well that depends on category
keen monolith
any % nmg
stuck raptor
most common nmg patch is 1221
which was recently added to steam beta branches
so you can just downpatch with that
right click game -> properties -> betas
keen monolith
what is steam beta branches
stuck raptor
then select 1221 in the dropdown
keen monolith
ty
that is very easy than expected
is there anything else I need to do before learning the route
stuck raptor
set up your splits
keen monolith
what does that mean
stuck raptor
your timer
keen monolith
how to do so
stuck raptor
?guides
sick ravenBOT
stuck raptor
it's called livesplit
there's a guide on that site
also, the main speedrunning discord is pinned in this channel
keen monolith
ty for help
jovial mountain
where can I find downloadable splits for the any% nmg category?
sand terrace
Ty
cloud crown
Discord"j" 🧐
normal aspen
@plucky moss
plucky moss
@normal aspen
amber ridge
Just got sub one hour in my first full run attempt at any% NMG. Pretty pumped since I’ve never speedrun a game before
worthy onyx
cool
simple obsidian
has anybody done a flower quest speedrun?
twin swallow
Not exactly, but two related categories are:
Elderbug% - gives the flower to elderbug as fast as possible
Florist% - gives delicate flower to everyone who will accept or reject it
steady lynx
Pure flower quest speedrun would take the flower through dark deepnest into QG by the maskmaker entrance
charred garnet
yes, but i think the runner just deemed it too risky to go for that or smth
No it is used
All PoP speedrunners use it
It's surprising easy to pull off
strong vessel
Not exactly, but two related categories are:
Elderbug% - gives the flower to el...
There is actually a flower quest speedrun (from a fresh file), and I think at least one person has run it? It's called "unhappy couple"
(If it were were actually ran, it should be called Solace 😤)
twin swallow
Huh, didn't know this 
strong vessel
I believe you optimally do QG arena with flower
twin swallow
Well that's sounds delightful where do I sign up
stark birch
I ran unhappy couple as a pride month meme; it’s the only run other than low% that even as a current patch stan I say just downpatch for because it’s unbearable on 1.5
Florist is really fun though
kindred halo
snow dome
After getting Uumuu had straight down then right past Queen's Station, drop down past fungal Cornifer into Deepnest. Head left for a bit.
If you are on patch 1.4.3.2 you can pick up Spore Shroom on the way past and swap at Dirtmouth bench.
plucky elbow
would anyone wanna do a race- use a random number generator to pick 1-40, 5 times. the 5 numbers you get are the 5 charms you must find, no matter what form (unbreakable strength or fragile strength, grimmchild or carefree melody), but kingsoul must be complete if you get 40, because it isn't a charm yet. First to get all 5 charms on a new save file wins!
plucky elbow
just dm me if u wanna
wicked trench
If you like rando-races you should join the speedrun server
The randomizer community is there
strong vessel
If you are on patch 1.4.3.2 you can pick up Spore Shroom on the way past and swa...
Isn't beast's den bench better?
sand terrace
is there any way to have livesplit over hollow knight?
stuck raptor
turn off fullscreen
sand terrace
that lags out my game a lot and gives the screen borders
since there is no borderless windowed mode
sand terrace
that worked, but how do I make it take up the whole screen from there?
stuck raptor
set the resolution to your screen's resolution
sand terrace
it doesnt give me the option for that
stuck raptor
in the game?
sand terrace
yeah
sand terrace
its the wierd mac resolution 2560-1600
sand terrace
thanks a lot, it might be finicky because im on bootcamp
sterile gale
<@&283547423706447872>
south herald
knotty vigil
Is the speedrun role back? 👀
wicked trench
(pinned message to join the new speedrun server)
As for the question: I don't know 
tawdry haven
Whar are major skips and what is considered as a major skip?
stuck raptor
not sure anything is classified as a major skip
snow dome
If you mean major glitch you can find a link in the rules on speedrun.com
analog monolith
No it is used
not by that runner, running pop% doesnt necessarily mean u do all the speedtech in pop
the 1st place runner decided it was too risky for them and decided going around and losing a second or two was better than potentially losing 15
meanwhile i do a couple of the speed strats bc im more comfy with pop
tawdry haven
If you mean major glitch you can find a link in the rules on speedrun.com
Yeah that's what I meant
Thanks
amber forge
for a first-time runner, a couple nice starting points are any% and all skills
ok, thanks!
amber forge
any% is a bit shorter and more popular but has the dreaded any% watcher knights ...
also why do people hate hornet 2 and watcher knights
i think theyre fun
empty topaz
they are fun but its just hard
amber forge
i dont think watcher knights are very hard, but thats just my opinion
atomic token
amber forge
oh
stuck raptor
watcher knights are the biggest barrier to any% runs b/c you fight them with basically no items or abilities
they aren't too hard in base game b/c you usually have a lot more when you get to them
west steppe
i need help with livesplit
anyone knows how use that thing?
it works with real time tho
analog monolith
do u have any autosplits set up?
without autosplits the gametime wont run and will be stuck at 0
analog monolith
click on "Settings" for the autosplitter
and check whether it has the autosplits set up correctly
amber ridge
Yes. You have to add a split, and then you choose what scenario will happen in order for the auto split to move to the next split
amber ridge
I had to manually add my auto splits
analog monolith
from the format of the splits it looks like it's from the split maker, which has autosplits by default
amber ridge
Since we're on a similar subject, when transitioning from scene to scene, my timer does not pause therefore increasing my time. How can I have it show on the live split?
analog monolith
that sounds like livesplit is showing realtime? try rightclicking the main livesplit window and seeing if it's comparing to realtime or gametime
amber ridge
Ah, took me a minute to see where it was at
It was showing real time. I flipped it for game time since that's what gets uploaded to SR.com
Thanks for the assist
west steppe
i'll add by myself then, thanks
one more question
it shows "mask shard 1, 2, 3, 4" and so one
this is the numeration of each mask shard or its just multiple entries for the same thing?
strong vessel
Mask shard 1 is the first mask shard you collect, mask shard 2 is the second mask shard you collect, etc.
west steppe
oh, make sense
i was thinking like
the mask shard 1 is the one after mawlek
the second one is the one from sly
well, idk how to explain, thanks
lovvyou
amber ridge
Worst case when you are playing live you'll know if the game triggers the correct auto split or not when you collect the item
round maple
anyone got tips for wcs off of doors
analog monolith
are u not getting speed off the wcs?
sand terrace
Ok I got my game to be windowed full screen but it’s really laggy
Turning the resolution down just makes the window smaller
Idk what to do
analog monolith
turning the resolution down should make it less laggy
and also make the window smaller
sand terrace
Is there no way to lower the resolution without making the window smaller?
analog monolith
nope
charred garnet
Is there no way to lower the resolution without making the window smaller?
I'm pretty sure in the video settings
steady lynx
Aw, I missed it, will probably be more chances anyway
frigid meadow
Man, i was trying for a long time fireball skip to salubra, that's really worth?
topaz canyon
any guide for all skills current patch?
sick ravenBOT
knotty vigil
?guides
round maple
are u not getting speed off the wcs?
Well yeah, like in gruz mother arena i rarely get it, the only onw i know how to do is the one in blue lake
round maple
also does anyone know how to do that crystal peaks glitch that moglar5k found (i think it was him)
vernal arch
does anyone have tips for watcher knights with basic nail?
round maple
i'm not in a very good position to give many tips but i will say if you can utilize your spell as much as you can
its the majority of damage you can do
vernal arch
i'm not in a very good position to give many tips but i will say if you can util...
okie ill try in my speedrun save
cuz im stuck on them
i got to watcher knights fairly quickly
round maple
i got to watcher knights fairly quickly
Yeah i usually get stopped at qga or wk, thats why i do 112% lmao
digital jewel
<@&283547423706447872>
undone kraken
So has spire skip been patched? I’m new to speed running and am using fireborns video to help.
snow dome
Lever skips have been, yes
undone kraken
Damn. Appreciate it
ornate fiber
round maple
Good job!
ivory helm
gritty herald
what's the fastest way to move on flat ground with only cloak?
is it just to hold forward and spam dash?
normal aspen
eyah,
though u wanna time the dashes coz the buffer is poretyty gewnerous and u dont wreck ur hands
analog monolith
somni ur scaring the kids
normal aspen
what thats pretty understanabl
analog monolith
a
normal aspen
zinc cairn
hey so i've been trying to do some run after looong time, and i decided to try 1221 first time, but for some reason i can't do the spike tunnel no matter what?
Is it different in this version?
stuck raptor
no
snow dome
Depends which spike tunnel. Spikes are a little less forgiving in some places, but it's generally the same.
zinc cairn
to ismas
And I'm so sad, this skip has been hella hard for me on cp, but 1221 is just even worse D;
I might try to do the version with dash slash because i heard it can be easier
snow dome
It should be easier
Cling to the wall on the right, when you get right to the bottom, full jump to the left, as you start to drop Pogo then dash
zinc cairn
so yeah, i've been doing it for some time and can't seem to befriend this one skip
It's frustrating to the point when i want to quit it and master some category extensions instead haha
There's no way to avoid this skip without a huge time loss, is it?
runic viper
analog monolith
hey so i've been trying to do some run after looong time, and i decided to try 1...
idrk since i dont really play 1221 (yet) but iirc skurry said they had a harder time with it on 1221 than on cp
strong vessel
People generally agree that isma's spike tunnel is easier on CP
I believe the spike hitboxes are further apart
snow dome
Isma's Tear is not required to beat the game at all .
analog monolith
yes it is not
onyx rock
Does everyone just talk in the other server now
jovial mountain
yes
strong vessel
This channel isn't in real use anymore and it hasn't been for a while
onyx rock
Huh
slim geyser
This channel is now mostly for people newly interested in speedrunning to get the basics or share some achievements
largly people will just be re-directed to the new server though
icy girder
there is a new server?
deep dagger
I somehow managed to skip hornets dialogue entirely https://clips.twitch.tv/SweetTrustworthyCourgetteJonCarnage-BIZcBTIDxfQbA0xu
knotty vigil
thats intended
you can start the fight immediately that way but it wont damage her which is why most people mash through the dialogue instead
snow dome
It's usually better to take the 15 damage than the skip, yeah.
pearl nymph
Am I crazy for wanting to attempt the all achievements speedrun?
vagrant warren
Most people who've run it say it's one of the worst things they've ever done and they'll never do it again. So, maybe.
sand terrace
how do I make livesplit stop during transitions? with the auto splitter it only stops at the beggining
snow dome
Right click -> compare against -> game time
sand terrace
Thanks
grim quiver
who wants to do speedrunner vs. Hunter
pearl nymph
I would but I can’t install any mods so far
torn sequoia
i cheated.....
low nacelle
Most people who've run it say it's one of the worst things they've ever done and...
How hard is it and how long is it?
royal arch
who wants to do speedrunner vs. Hunter
I would like to if I can get that mod working
vagrant warren
How hard is it and how long is it?
Well, how hard it is will depend on your skill. Everyone I'm aware of that has run it was experienced in 1xx% categories so if you don't know any of that routing & stuff it will be much harder as well. WR is 8:21:53
slate steeple
thank you speedrunners for getting TC to make it this easy to downpatch I thought I'd try downpatching on my toaster of a laptop (s/o? to sawa showing that it ran on their toaster lol) and it actually worked, albeit at a nice steady 37 FPS. I'm having a ton of fun even if I still suck, just on 1221 now
steady lynx
Thank Fire for actually daring to ask
analog monolith
How hard is it and how long is it?
u have to do basically everything in the game, including all of pantheon 5
and it's about a 9 hour run
analog monolith
thank you speedrunners for getting TC to make it this easy to downpatch <:grublo...
um yw??? ig lol
outer hound
Does anyone want to do a lockout?
small osprey
I'm playing randomizer, and I am at a point where my only option is to learn the Blue Lake skip without Claw or to fight Brooding Mawlek with Nail 1 and no spells, does someone know a simple way to do the Blue Lake Shade skip?
digital jewel
fighting brooding mawlek with nail1 doesn't require you to learn anything
small osprey
Fair enough
steady lynx
The BL clawless shade skip with nail1 has an extra nail hit, I think emray made a guide for that one with nail0
snow dome
You can also check your helper log to make sure you're not missing anything. Mawlek with no spells isn't in easy logic
vagrant warren
Neither would a shade skip to Blue Lake be. So sounds like either missing something or not playing on easy.
steady lynx
Shade skips are just completely out of easy logic right
Unless crossroads are infected, then maybe the furious Vengefly pogo is in logic
steady lynx
Is easy logic just stuff that's expected to be done by someone who played the game once before?
somber gull
easy logic is just stuff that is, you know, easy to do
it requires some knowledge about charms and spells and what can kill baldurs if you have a crossroads/kp start
no need for non-vanilla pogos, shade skips, or extensive enemy luring
vagrant warren
*minimal need for pogos. Vanilla-intended pogos like Durandas & Durandoos are in logic and so are a handful of very easy pogos on other enemies
Also this is super the wrong channel for all this but 
it's not like it sees much action nowadays anyway.
steady lynx
I don't think anyone really minds this discussion here
So something like spire pogo would be an "intended pogo"
steady lynx
Not me just having to look up what a Durandoo is, I swear I run 112
vagrant warren
Spire pogo is not in easy logic, but pogoing up to the gauntlet above King's Station is. There's also a jump in fungal on the way to Queen's station (below low% relic) that requires a pogo if you rando start in fungal
snow dome
(which is low% relic?)
steady lynx
The one above the like five or so sporgs
snow dome
Ah, Sporgs Seal
twin swallow
whatever time you finish with is a good time
snow dome
Finishing in one session is very hard
maiden knot
hey so i’ve played hollow knight a lot, but i want to start speedrunning but i’m not sure what category would be welcoming to newcomers
twin swallow
for main categories, any% and all skills are the most beginner friendly
any% is shorter and has more of a focus on boss fights, but you don't really get a lot of upgrades
all skills is slightly longer and bosses are easier (because you have spells, nail arts, etc.), but has some more difficult platforming sections
maiden knot
ok, thank you
twin swallow
alternatively if you want something shorter and/or more specialised, have a look at the category extensions page https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes which has some interesting and beginner-friendly options too
slim geyser
I think that a good medium lenght category extention is probably highly under-rated in terms of beginner learning runs
i very rarely hear about them being recommended but you can learn so much about the movement of this game that it hardly even matters where you start
i guess the argument against it would be based on the fact that any% and all skills both have thourough guides which are a great resource
twin swallow
^ this is a very important point. any% and all skills both have great text and video tutorials that explain the runs, tricks and skips in great detail. With most other categories you'll have to learn mostly by watching other people's runs with a route pastebin
depends on how familiar you are with the game world, whether you've speedrun any other games before, etc.
snow dome
The three main beginner categories are:
Any%: Complete the game once. The 'default' category. Not easy, but not too hard either. Has a mix of easy and difficult fights and easy and difficult movement sections/skips. Medium length.
All Skills: Collect all major skills, then complete the game. (Not charms etc.) Only one fight that can really be considered difficult (Hornet 2), the rest are pretty straightforward. Much more movement focused. One particularly difficult skip (the whole Spike Tunnel to Isma's Tear section). Medium to long length.
4 Mask Shards: Get the first mask upgrade. Exists entirely within Crossroads once you complete the opening section. One boss fight (Brooding Mawlek) and no abilities or upgrades for the entire run. Short length.
@maiden knot
maiden knot
@snow dome thank you for your help
digital jewel
<@&283547423706447872>
copper walrus
Hey I was wondering how exactly does menu dropping work?
stuck raptor
you open inventory and then fall very fast
copper walrus
Well yeah lol but what's the timing for it?
I'm on current patch btw if that matters
analog monolith
on 1221 - anywhere
on 1432 (current patch) - the frame you leave a ledge. frame-perfect
on 1.5 (current current patch) - the frame you leave a ledge as long as ur not dashing. also frame-perfect
strong vessel
It is frame-perfect but it's easier than it sounds
Just, like, practice doing it off of a short ledge until you have the timing down
analog monolith
it's faster than walking off and still the same frame window
vital geyser
Appparebtly it’s physics frame which is 1/50th of a second
knotty vigil
Why is it 1/50 of a second instead of 1/60
vital geyser
hk is held together by duct tape and its not even the good kind
but yeah real reason is idk
like dash cooldown is .61 apparently which is a nice prime number which means never mash
knotty vigil
Mfw the frame rate cap defaults to 400 instead of 60 or 144
steady lynx
It might be 50 because the monitor one of the devs used just happened to run at 50hz
(Australia used the same 50hz standard as Europe for a long time)
So it is very possible that TC being tight on cash while making Hollow Knight just ended up buying cheaper, older monitors
steady lynx
It is known but getting sharp shadow requires killing Hornet 2 which takes way too long to be practical
snow dome
This could potentially be useful for an All Bosses RMG thing?
Is C Dash good for anything?
knotty vigil
You can change the frame cap fyi
ik lol
if i didnt i wouldn't been able to play the game cause the game lagged too much on the default frame cap 
knotty vigil
heyo
wet briar
It is known but getting sharp shadow requires killing Hornet 2 which takes way t...
i mean, True Ending runs?
stoic sparrow
Considering C-Dash is hard required for TE
(what is TE ?)
snow dome
True Ending
copper walrus
on 1221 - anywhere
on 1432 (current patch) - the frame you leave a ledge. frame-...
Alright thanks mate
snow dome
White Palace has two sections that require it
stoic sparrow
Ooooh yeah
copper walrus
Anyone got any advice for doing fireball skips? Particularly the one in Greenpath to the platform where Hornet was standing
I've gotten it 3 out of probably 30 times😐
analog monolith
are u on keyboard or controller?
copper walrus
Controller
analog monolith
theres a controler quirk where dpad and left stick can override each other; a lot of ppl use this to their advantage to jump, then turn around and fireball as early as possible
however, even with this, it's a matter of very tight timing and very difficult to get well. part of the reason the cloak split is one of the hardest splits in the game for any run
analog monolith
are u on 1221 or current patch? (if u dont know ur on current patch)
copper walrus
I am on current patch
somber gull
credits to vali
analog monolith
oke
theres also a couple different faster (and more difficult) variants not shown if u want to look around the speedrunning discord but for most intents and purposes this should be what u want
pliant shoal
Felt like running Path of Pain and checked the speedrun.com resources and the PoP save has the wall in place so I can't access PoP am I missing something?
snow dome
You need to use a save file that has not yet completed path of pain
You can use one from speedrun.com.
You can also head to the speedrun server to find a version of the assembly_csharp which has save states built in to make resetting easier.
pliant shoal
You can use one from speedrun.com.
that's the issue, that's the one I used. unless I need to wipe my .bak files too (though I might go ask the speedrunning discord that)
small osprey
Can someone link me the Any% NMG Route for 1.4.3.2? I can currently only find the guide for 1.2.2.1. If you DM me or respond I may not see it for a bit, but any help is appreciated.
analog monolith
it's the exact same; the only difference is u can't do the lever skip in watcher's spire so u have to kill the great husk sentry
otherwise optimal route is the same
small osprey
Alright, thank you, I didn't know if that was the only difference or not.
knotty vigil
where can i find updated comsob splits? do i just have to look for them individually?
snow dome
Check the pinned message
obsidian sail
how do they fly
obsidian sail
or frame perfect air walk inputs
so jump button?
stuck raptor
storage is stopping/cancelling any action
it can lead to many many things
there's like 7 different ways to "fly"
strong vessel
That's a superslide
obsidian sail
they turn around, strike an enemy, turn around again then pause and it launches them?
strong vessel
That's storing nail knockback by pause buffering
worldly sonnet
I'm about to take on Watcher Knights at 2H 22M, after getting a 2nd Nail upgrade. I should be fine to beat the game by 5 hours, right?
twin swallow
depends how many (if any) times you die to watcher knights (:
worldly sonnet
4 deaths in, I gave up and went for the upgrade.
Hopefully there won't be another 4
twin swallow
serious answer though you're probably doing fine
worldly sonnet
Cool deal
And even if not, I'll still get the 10 hour one done, and would have a ton of practice for the 5 hour
obsidian sail
oh final thing
obsidian sail
https://youtu.be/YGu732UYgjs
so when they're at blue lake they do the wall cling in air glitch
but then they hit the ceiling
does it cause them to gain speed?
and then there's that wierd stuttering noise that happens after it
why does it happen
time frame is around
5:15
does the nail along with the cling trick confuse the game and causes it?
rich forum
what is the speedrun mod called and where do i install it ?
wicked trench
Install Modinstaller (should be pinned in #archived-modding-help) and then from the software install DebugMod
snow dome
what is the speedrun mod called and where do i install it ?
There's isn't such a thing. The game is ran on vanilla
wicked trench
He probably means the ""speedrun mod"" to practice the speedrun
rich forum
oh ok
wicked trench
🥲
rich forum
its free right ?
wicked trench
Sure
rich forum
i can turn it off andon whenever right ?
stuck raptor
dunno what you mean by that
it's a standalone program
so.... you open it
and close it
wicked trench
During the speedrun you have to keep it on
But if you don't open it, it doesn't run during your game
analog monolith
does the nail along with the cling trick confuse the game and causes it?
thats probably a wcs superslide from the looks of it, slashing a wall during wcs gives u absurd momentum and speed
(not nmg)
rich forum
how do i have splitlive run while my game is fullscrfeened
stuck raptor
you turn fullscreen off and add -popupwindow as a game launch option
rich forum
where do i add that as an option
stuck raptor
yes
rich forum
just to be sure . on the propeties section on the game right ?
rich forum
?
rich forum
ye i did it and i fullscreen with splitlive on and it doesnt go in the full screen
stuck raptor
did you turn off fullscreen in game
rich forum
but i cant turn it off in the setting cuz of the mods right ?
worldly sonnet
yay, just under 3.5 hours.
Would it be possible to turn this save into the 20 hour, 100% completion achievement one? Or should I start a new game for that?
wicked trench
You can
But remember remember that this channel is for speedruns - you might be better ask in #hk-help
rich forum
nvm ty again for hel[
worldly sonnet
I guess my more specific question is, when doing that 5 hour speedrun, is there anything you'd miss out on that could keep you from getting 100%? But it looks like there's not, so cool deal.
analog monolith
112% should be possible from a fresh save barring glitches
high saffron
This might be a stupid question but how do people open the menu in the air for example in speedruns too fall faster. I'm new to the game and when I tried the menu didint pop up and only works on the ground
stuck raptor
be on earlier patches
stuck raptor
they patched that out after 1.3.1.5
copper walrus
How different is Explosion Pogo across patches? Like what did they change about it that made it change?
stuck raptor
they changed what you can pogo off of
analog monolith
past 1221 u cant pogo off the explosion and have to get over with only pogoing the projectile itself
wet briar
Ima Be speed running current patch any% practice at about 7edt, if you wanna watch go ahead ig, i could use the tips :)
stuck raptor
hot widget
eloki how often do u stream?
I need to go now
ill try and catch it next time or smth
small osprey
Is there an SS 100% route? I want to do runs of that sort of thing, but the guides on the speedrun.com page doesn't show anything of that sort. (If you do respond please @ me.)
analog monolith
Is there an SS 100% route? I want to do runs of that sort of thing, but the guid...
i dont think steel soul 100% really exists as a category at all unfortunately. nowhere near enough demand
small osprey
i dont think steel soul 100% really exists as a category at all unfortunately. n...
Alright, is there anyone who might have ran the category for fun and routed it?
analog monolith
nop
small osprey
After doing SS a lot I think a 100% run could be interesting, though I dont know nearly enough about routing runs
analog monolith
100% is so arbitrary as to what to skip that theres not really anyone that wants to route it or run it
closest thing is all cheevos which does 112% steel soul ge +α
small osprey
But how long does that run often take
If I decide to attempt to route it I will share it here. Thank you for the clarifications.
analog monolith
all cheevos is about 8 hours optimally
jagged vault
^ both math and I ended up in the 8 hour zone, honestly sub 8 is very doable with good planning
royal arch
Sitting down and playing hollow knight for 8 hours straight sounds exhausting especially when your trying to play perfectly the entire time
Idk how y’all did it
sacred lily
analog monolith
qga is one of those tricks where it's hard to tell whats going wrong without a video
wicked trench
Usually the main issue is c.dashing too early and dunk in the acid
minor pike
fastest false night defeated run?
ive been getting sub 7 minutes and i got into the game 2 weeks ago
wicked trench
We don't really time those things
I can tell you the fastest time to get fireball1 (you skip the False Knight fight)
1221: 3:27.30
CurrentPatch: 3:40.04
steady lynx
I'm thinking 7:50 for PC All Achievements if I optimised the route
spiral scaffold
hexed isle
Something I don't quite understand in any% NMG. Why can't you quit out to Dirtmouth after nailing Herra the Beast instead of exiting and activating the stag station. Saves time exiting and geo. (just interested in the game but not playing it)
gusty tartan
hexed isle
ah, that answers it. been bugging me since I started watching HK speedruns
hexed isle
thank you
lime kettle
hey guys, new to the Discord about to start running any% NMG but i can't get the autosplitter to work with LiveSplit. I've run the 1.2.2.1 patch, i have the newest version of LiveSplit and I've followed the install directions in the guides but it's not working. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
stuck raptor
-make sure the autosplitter is active
-make sure you've added auto split triggers
-make sure you have the right number of splits
-make sure you open the game before livesplit
lime kettle
Oh the triggers might be why, I'll check. Thanks!
jovial mountain
hey guys, new to the Discord about to start running any% NMG but i can't get the...
premade splits can be found here: https://hksplitmaker.com/#any
solar echo
How do i get to the skill lvl of speedrunning
stuck raptor
practice
wooden mica
is the current way to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 just to use steam betas?
stuck raptor
yes
wooden mica
alright ty
wooden mica
Hi guys, im following fireborns guide and I copied the modding API hollow_knight_data folder into a copy of hollow knights folder but when I launch hollow knight it doesnt show the modding api top left. Any idea what could be causing this
I got the modding api from this spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1CeAvoiU5Ijj3iSf5Z_jstZxn4baVtRqT
wooden mica
nope
stuck raptor
?guides
sick ravenBOT
wooden mica
thanks!
wooden mica
Sorry for all the questions but when I'm trying to add auto splitter the settings button is greyed out. It does show auto Splitter by DevilSquirrel tho. Any idea what could be the problem?
stuck raptor
you didn't activate it
wooden mica
you are a lifesaver
digital jewel
<@&283547423706447872>
whole meadow
xerogonyoom
digital jewel
🏃
lilac void
helloo, I have been thinking I want to start speedrunning HK and I was wondering which system you all prefer to do your runs on
I have the game on both switch and ps4 but I am willing to get it on PC if that's the most efficient way to speedrun it
steady lynx
who is tasbot and why are they so good at hollow knight?
fireb0rn's alt
steady lynx
I have the game on both switch and ps4 but I am willing to get it on PC if that'...
If your PC can run even current patch well while recording I'd recommend that any day of the week but console also has different boards to make up for the massive differences in timing
jovial mountain
PC also has mods and excellent practice tools, so I highly recommend PC over any other system
balmy orchid
I also recommend PC.
wooden mica
what decides how high you pogo off these guys?
I seem to get launched into the air but when I watch speedrunners they have a really small bump
stuck raptor
are you dashing after
knotty vigil
Why was kanra banned
stuck raptor
an extreme violation of the Community Code of Conduct involving discrimination on the basis of gender identity and derogatory remarks towards other speedrunners. These remarks will be kept private out of respect to the individuals involved.
calm cradle
err, hi. I just joined, wanted to learn to speedrun the game.
Didn't want to join and say nothin, so... 
I'm following this guide here
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
And segmant 3:2 is confusing me, how does one get up there without wings/claws?
stuck raptor
wdym. you can just jump up there
frosty scarab
Do you know how to do inventory drop in the last hk version
stuck raptor
press it within 1/50th of a second after walking off a ledge
stuck raptor
?
frosty scarab
*im not
frosty scarab
Sorry im french
stuck raptor
what
frosty scarab
I like fireborn
frosty scarab
Ok
analog monolith
it's much more difficult on current patch, it's a frame perfect input. it'll take lots of practice to get even semi-consistently. it is possible, but dont expect to get it with any sort of consistency close to 1221 invdrops
errant girder
No wonder it was so much harder than it looked on youtube videos I saw
errant girder
I accidentally did a horizonal version of it in uhhh howling cliffs where that wind blows you. I thought that was interesting.
no idea how it works but it's very fun to zip around
stuck raptor
lol. wind storage is a fun one
you can use it to fly all the way across dirtmouth in like 1 second
vapid sky
I have a question
is the lever skip thing before the watcher knights possible on a nintendo switch?
snow dome
No
vapid sky
ok thanks
steep lichen
Can someone point me in the direction for downpatching? 😄
vital geyser
try looking for guides before you ask
if youre using steam right click hollow knight and click properties and then find betas.
steep lichen
i figured it out, no need to be rude i was looking just figured i would ask as i wasn't sure what worked or not!
try thinking before you speak ❤️
distant forum
stable hatch
press it within 1/50th of a second after walking off a ledge
wait what but i did it twice in a row
while doing my speedrun
without QOL
i didn't know it was that hard
analog monolith
yep it is
wise ferry
I feel like I'm a little quicker damage tanking that mantis. maybe I'm just bad at the regular strat
analog monolith
theres a similar variant that doesnt have a damage tank https://www.twitch.tv/tamijostreams/v/1045380315?sr=a&t=0s
wise ferry
oh cool. I was trying that a bit but I couldn't be consistent at all
I'm playing around with actually killing the guy now
came across a weird bug in the game too a couple times while practicing this room where I got stuck on the side of the ledge for a good 15-20 seconds until I let go of the down arrow. that's a new one to me..
charred garnet
1st if that vid was rlly clean lol
2nd ye that's new to me aswell I don't think I have ever had that glitch
It may be to do with the CP
If u are running cp maybe consider using 1.2.2.1
wise ferry
it is cp actually yeah. don't really want to downpatch but ehh maybe
I have it recorded. sorta. didn't stick for long because I was swinging my nail around and broke free when connecting with an enemy
sorry last video lol promise
snow dome
Which bit?
Your game lagged so you kept moving to the right even though there was a wall, then when your game stopped lagging you were inside the wall.
whole crag
thats kinda funny
doesnt matter much to me anymore because i got a pb the next run anyways
serene axle
is it possible o use live split one for speedruning because i am on mac and cannot download livesplit
snow dome
You can use any timing method you want on Mac. There is no functional loadless timer, so you will only be able to use times with load.
(Unless Livesplit One has been updated somehow to remove loads.)
vital crypt
Any tips for bomb pogo into mantis village? Rn it’s faster for me to just go around through the normal entrance but it’d be nice if I could have that under my belt
snow dome
Check the pinned message
normal elbow
Hi, is there somewhere a 112% save where you have carefree melody instead of grimmchild. I couldn't find it online
small osprey
Any tips for bomb pogo into mantis village? Rn it’s faster for me to just go aro...
It’s not that bad to learn, watch runs and approaches to the area and where they stand along with audio queues for when to jump
subtle walrus
Hey ! I wan’t to learn about any% speedrun of Hollow Knight anyone have tutorial or something else ?
knotty vigil
?guides
sick ravenBOT
subtle walrus
Thank you !
knotty vigil
sick dock
snow dome
<@&283547423706447872>
kind wind
so when i play hk streamlabs doesn't record my run so how can i do a race also my mic don't work so yea
rigid owl
Hey Hk discord, It’s been awhile but I got another PB! I’m on Switch and did an Any% NMG run. Only took photos because idc about leaderboards.
I’m quite proud of this one.
bright grotto
okay... this might seem like a dumb question but I'm asking it here anyway...
Is it a known issue for PS4 Dualshock Controllers to SUCK in HK...
I just bought a brand new one and the left joystick REFUSED to send an input until it was tilted ALL the way to one side...
Not possible to do any form of quick movement, the input delay is at LEAST 10MS (when wired too), and I had to install like 3 separate kinds of software in order to get it to work even HALF as smoothly as a damn PS3 controller I bootlegged my pc into believing was a controller for the xbox 360
like what's the deal? am I going crazy?
I can't even fireball skip with this thing
analog monolith
are u playing on 1221 or current patch? it's possible that if ur running on 1221 that the patch just doesnt like a ds4
or that 1221 just doesnt like dinput devices (as opposed to xinput)
twin swallow
Apart from the dpad being jank I've never had a problem with DS4 on either 1221 or current patch 
If you're on steam, you can change the joystick deadzone settings to make it more sensitive to registering directional inputs
I think it's in big picture controller settings?
digital jewel
<@&283547423706447872>
snow dome
so when i play hk streamlabs doesn't record my run so how can i do a race also m...
Use OBS studio it's miles better
noble osprey
how do speedrunners do that thing when they drop real fast when they open a menu
i tried doing it but u cant open ur menu mid air
steady lynx
Opening inventory mid air was patched out, now to do it you have to open it physics frame perfectly as you step off a ledge
manic sage
or use an older version
open properties
Press beta
press on 1.2.2.1 grim troup
and boom
noble osprey
Opening inventory mid air was patched out, now to do it you have to open it phys...
thank u ❤️
gusty brook
@azure sand we need the old king to return to speed run path of pain
digital jewel
<@&283547423706447872>
kind wind
Use OBS studio it's miles better
when i did use that my game literally stuck like i went from a comfortable 45+ fps to like below 20
sleek flare
how do i replicate an "inventory drop" on keyboard? is it possible?
i'm on 1.4.3.2
should i downpatch
someone?
snow dome
how do i replicate an "inventory drop" on keyboard? is it possible?
Inventory dropping is frame perfect on 1.4+
You will need to downpatch to 1221
warm panther
how do i replicate an "inventory drop" on keyboard? is it possible?
yeah i just got Qol to make it eaisier
snow dome
QoL isn't allowed for speedruns on the main speedrun board
warm panther
true
i dont use it when i speedfrun
but when i pkay with freinds i do
because scarab only works on 1.5
gleaming viper
I’ve been getting into speed running this game but I can’t find a good timer so what’s a good timer to use?
snow dome
LiveSplit
gleaming viper
Ok thanks
sleek flare
wait wth
why is the downpatch to 1.2.2.1 literally 8.9 gigabytes
that's massive
bruhhhhhh
snow dome
Because it's a full game?
analog monolith
hollow knight is 8.9gb and ur redownloading the entire game
sleek plinth
am i to guess correctly that if i downpatch from 1.4 to 1.2, 1.4 saves wont work in 1.2?
strong vessel
They do work, it's just not recommended because they can become corrupted and/or stop working
vocal haven
@calm hound congrats!
calm hound
hmm ok
vocal haven
I have 9 hrs and i just got the lumafly lantern and crystal heart lol
sleek plinth
They do work, it's just not recommended because they can become corrupted and/or...
oh really? im just trying to practice Watcher Knights and THK on 1.2 rather than 1.4
i guess ill just try it. i already have the saves backed up.
and if it doesnt work, ill just do a run in 1.2 and make 1.2 saves
analog monolith
if youre curious, the speedrun server (linked in pins) has savestates u can use to practice various things in the any% run!
(including wk! 
)
warm basin
Is the lever skip by watcher knights patched out in the latest version of the game?
steady lynx
Yes
vital geyser
am i considered a speedrunner?
Probably not most runs for any% around an hour or more are closer to casual playthroughs
vagrant warren
That's ... literally what speedrunning is.
snow dome
Gatekeeping 'speedrunner' by how good the person is isn't a good look imo
slow spire
perhaps a dumb question - why does the TAS for the any% nmg category collect crystal heart? is there a specific skip that they do with it, or does it save time somehow?
digital jewel
the TAS collects crystal heart because it's an NMG (no major glitches) TAS. it's not allowed to do skips with WCS (wallcling storage) that wouldn't be possible glitchless
slow spire
but it doesnt use crystal heart for archives/qga acid skip anyways
digital jewel
yep
slow spire
it just uses wcs
slow spire
hm
also
another dumb question while im here
why does te collect monarch wings
what requires monarch wings to access
sullen violet
why is there 108% TE and not 112% TE?
digital jewel
108% te?
sullen violet
true ending
twin swallow
There's a 107% TE
twin swallow
R.E. 112% TE, I think some people ran a 112 Pure%, which was do P1-4 and then go back to overworld and beat THK+Radiance
Which I guess would be the same thing
But idk if it gained much interest
digital jewel
do you mean 106%? that's the maximum on grimm troupe
still condor
SIlksong will release if one of you get a sub 30min speed run (this is a fact not cap)
steady lynx
Good thing none of us want Silksong to release
hexed thorn
R.E. 112% TE, I think some people ran a 112 Pure%, which was do P1-4 and then go...
I was thinking about a variation of this where you complete 112 with as few achievements as possible until i realized that it's a >20 hour run lmao
twin swallow
😄
crisp zephyr
I might speed run so if anyone has tips or just needs to hang join me in hollow knight vc
drowsy canopy
did QGA skip for the first time on my practice file : D ; hoping i can start to use it in regular runs and be consistent on getting back up once i cross
crimson hull
I'm guessing this is probably old news by now but I'm reminded of the conversation on concluding the dialogue skip for hornet 1 wasn't worth the fireball damage lost for human players when looking at constructive cynicism's latest TAS Speedrunning. I'm curious if being able to get hornet stuck reliably would change the cost benefit analysis for that?
analog monolith
if getting her stuck consistently is possible, then ye, dialogue skip is optimal
bc it's optimal as long as u go in with 6-8 soul and get an even amount of doubles (which includes 0)
spare frost
Are there any linked details regarding setting up the style of 'Speedrunner vs Hunter' outside of downloading the Mod before going through all of it?
opaque anchor
tfw you’re trying to do speedrun 2 on a steel soul file, but you have yet to git gud.
patent walrus
Hello, does anyone have a guide on the route for all skills% NMG? I want to try running it but i can't find any guides on it
knotty vigil
?guides
sick ravenBOT
patent walrus
Thanks
opaque anchor
tfw you’re trying to do speedrun 2 on a steel soul file, but you have yet to git...
tfw you finally do it and end up doing it in <2:30
crimson hull
bc it's optimal as long as u go in with 6-8 soul and get an even amount of doubl...
good to know, thanks!
ocean reef
hello wonderfull people, i took a break from hk, for a while since i coudln't seem to find the last few % I need for the 112% completion, but now i've set my sight on the speedrun accomplishments after watching speedrunners of multiple games. Now, could any of you veterans give me some advice before diving into this adventure? Love you all ❤️
jovial mountain
?srpsa
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
jovial mountain
@ocean reef here's a nice guide for the 5 hours speedrun achievement, once you get it there should be enough time to get the 100% achievement as well in the same file
if you want to start trying out speedrunning there is a separate speedrun community server (invite in pins) that you should join for resources/chat/new discoveries
dreamy vine
hello, i'm trying to download the DebugMod and it says that i don't have a app to open it
what app should i download?
wooden mica
do you have the modding api
vagrant warren
Debug is not run in an app, it runs in game ( assuming you have the supporting api as Niels mentioned)
dreamy vine
ohhhhh
knotty vigil
First time speedrunning my favorite game, and I got mantis claw in 14 minutes using relyea's guide.
digital jewel
that's relyea good
knotty vigil
I was doing good until i died to the watcher knights, trying again tho,