speedrunning

[true palm]

but 112 does nkg in pantheons, so they don't have to do dark jonis for instance, they can come back when they return to banish, and they don't have to do the last few grimmkin

the fights are also very different because 106 has flukenest

[median flicker]

im wanting to get into running, and want to do 112, what resources would be the best?

[true palm]

i think Blue_SR is still running 112 so check out their stream when they're on if you can, watching top runs on SRC is also super good

i don't think there's a compiled guide for 112 yet

you should join the discord in the pinned comments, its where all the speedrunners hang out these days

there the 1xx runners can answer more specific questions

[jovial mountain]

here a pretty new guide for 112: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/scqia . Other than looking through the guide and practicing hard sections like bossfights, it's highly suggested to watch top runs to see how runners move through rooms

[median flicker]

thank you

[jovial mountain]

np also I'm 🐌 I just noticed cerp sent the same thing earlier in the sr discord

[true palm]

i'm dumb and forgot people type out guides, i'm used to video guides for cool categories

[strong vessel]

CC that guide is like nearly three months old now 😤

[true palm]

well that explains it, last time i talked about 112 guides was like 6 months ago

back when Dystop was getting into running

[nocturne arrow]

what’s the least optimised wr currently?

if there is one that is

[tall prawn]

probably just some meme run

[knotty vigil]

impossible to know, there are so many contenders for that
like uhhhhhhhhh low% true ending low % godhome ending all achievements etc

[true palm]

for like mainboard godhome ending is probably the least optimized afaik

any% steel soul for 1.2.2.1 isn't that crazy either

could use a geo reroute

obviously longer runs like 106 and 112 are relatively less optimized since its hard to chain together good play for that long, 112 is also fairly rng prone

All Bosses is also super unoptimized, category never took off

once you start getting off of main board it becomes a little muddier

optimized is a pretty relative term, certain categories are just more rng prone than others and some have harder skips etc

anything that isn't 1.2.2.1 Any% or All Skills has quite a bit of timesave tbh

[strong vessel]

Funnily enough, that's literally the exact same thing that sparked the creation of the updated 112 guide

(ily dyst 😳)

(You never actually ran 112, you know, you just made me put a bunch of effort into stuff for no actually quite a good reason)

[elfin vortex]

Once I get back from holiday I will actually run it lol... as well as pokepark wii 100%

[stark birch]

the least optimized run with a leaderboard currently is clawless shade cloak current patch NMG. there's quite possibly a full hour of time to be saved in it. Certainly at least 45 minutes. good luck with your free wr

[strong vessel]

@ quack pokepark wii 100% on misc sheet when

[elfin vortex]

Honestly that cat sounds v cool. Guessing theres alot of hard skips tho. Where does 45m of timesave come from tho?

[stark birch]

there is exactly one current patch run and it's about an hour behind the 1221 run; mostly for skip attempts, a little bit for impromptu rerouting. CSC has the hardest sum total of skips in the game, in my opinion, even in front of Save Myla, because of the path to Broken Vessel. You start by doing the same shade skip to enter basin without cdash that Save Myla does, except you don't have claw so it's slightly tighter. Then you have an insane, cycle-based shadow creeper pogo to reach BV without claw. You fight BV and Lost Kin but can't get wings because the literal final jump requires claw. And your reward for surviving that garbage is minimum 4 more shade skips, two of which require 7+ masks. It is the apex challenge run, it just recently got added to SRC but few people are interested in running it more than like once lol

to be clear, that's in front of Save Myla as it is actually run; nothing tops the true optimal mag isma's lol

[elfin vortex]

Ah frick lmao that really is intense. Man ngl still sounds tempting af tho so honestly im kiiiiinda tempted to have that be the cat I kinda grind now that idc about pop

shadow creeper pogo sounds very interesting lol

[stark birch]

https://youtu.be/NLd-qKtjTM8?t=3243 but watch the whole run; homothety also tries to climb out of abyss at the end, it's real content

[elfin vortex]

O nice thx!

[stark birch]

there's a route by homothety in the meme sheet; it covers the minor patch differences as well if you're interested in cp

[elfin vortex]

Lmao great! My laptop can barely handle 1432 so cp is a must

[crimson hull]

I don't suppose anyone knows how to downpatch the game on gog to before 1.4.2.4, the guides people have are steam exclusive so I was suggested in #hk-help to ask here

[elfin vortex]

I think you can contact gog support to access the older patches

[crimson hull]

Hmmm thanks

[next storm]

if you select the public beta channel you can go back to 1.3.3.3, though that isn't ideal

[sharp maple]

has anyone ever mapped a hollow knight all bosses category without including the godhome ending?

would that be the same as godhome% except you dont do godhome?

[digital jewel]

There are all bosses categories on speedrun.com for the original release, hidden dreams and grimm troupe

[quaint grove]

this has like a 3% chance of working though lol

[quaint grove]

any streams soon then? 👀

[wide crescent]

how can I downpatch to 1.2.2.1

[snow dome]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[snow dome]

Follow the downpatching guide in here

[steady lynx]

1432 never got an all bosses category because its basically GE right?

[haughty fossil]

112 all pantheon bosses

absrad is a boss in her own right

[steady lynx]

It just gets confusing

And a category that kills both radiances is even worse of an idea

[fiery fox]

how do i setup livesplit for aluba%

never used it before

wait

probs a tutorial on the category

i cant find one

https://youtu.be/xq2MCodtH34 i found one by small ant

but idk if its out of date

[haughty fossil]

that guide works for setting up splits, for autosplits I think there's a written guide on speedrun.com

[crimson hull]

Ya was hoping to go earlier, I'll try submitting a support ticket

[knotty vigil]

If I remember correctly, if you used Vengeful Spirit right before Hornet in Greenpath, the dialogue can be skipped entirely. Is there a reason runners don't use it?

[stuck raptor]

it doesnt do dmg

better to save the soul for actual dmg

[stuck raptor]

<@&283547423706447872>

[strong vessel]

1.3 all bosses boards when

[steady lynx]

I will acknowledge 1.3 before I acknowledge 1.5

[strong vessel]

1.5 is just the superior patch and you cannot convince me otherwise

Evidence: backrolls

[steady lynx]

At least you get dashmaster fix, that sure is useful

It actually is in like two categories

[sharp maple]

1.5 is superior because you go slow before exiting elevators and its kinda funny

[crimson hull]

Wouldn't in general different patches be best for different runs?

[steady lynx]

Generally 1.2.2.1 is just fastest but it runs like actual garbage on most PC's so we have "cp" boards which are just 1.4.3.2 and whatever 1.5 beta they accidentally released

[crimson hull]

Why? Vengeful spirit is 15/20 and n0 is 12 damage per strike. To make up for the soul lost you'd only need to get 2 nail strikes in the time gained. Is there something special you need a specific amount of soul for during the fight? Can you consistently double hit her? I'm curious.

(Not implying you're wrong, just wondering why)

[digital jewel]

n0 is not 12 with fury

it's 9

and 5 without

in categories where people have fury they do tend to do the dialogue skip, but even then it's barely worth it and depends on the pattern you get as well

[steady lynx]

106 would generally do the fireball since it usually has full soul and 9 damage nail coming in

112 usually comes in with 3 or 4 hits of soul and would rather keep the fireball for damage

[crimson hull]

Ah ok, misremembering nail damage, my bad. So without fury and with shaman stone it requires 4 hits, that makes more sense

[steady lynx]

I don't think there's a single category that'd have Shaman for Hornet 1

[crimson hull]

So it's 3 hits in the dialogue timesave

And people can't consistently get that

[snow dome]

The Fireball saves the time to mash, which is less than 1s

Fireball does 3 nail hits of damage, which takes more than 1s

That's the absolute most basic maths on it

[echo rover]

can someone help with my controller issues
uits registered and it shows the picture but it just doesnt work

[hearty depot]

I forgot I was in this discord.

@echo rover Stupid question but do you make sure your controller is attached before starting the game?

Also update your drivers too that could be an issue.

[hearty depot]

To clarify on this point connecting my controller after the game is booted makes it not work.

[winged arrow]

Is getting mantis claw in 2 hours good?

[true palm]

if you're following a speedrun route then its pretty slow

if its just you playing casually its fine

any%, the entire game, is currently 32 minutes loadless, or about 38 minutes with loads

a good claw is probably about 10 minutes in real time, but obviously without a speedrun route or practice thats not doable

if you're trying to get the 5 hour achievement its going to be tough to make it with a 2 hour claw

[sick trout]

should i go for monarch before lurien if i'm not too confident in my watcher knights ability

or would i be better off practising in godhome and going straight

[strong vessel]

Practicing in godhome isn't very good because the fight is a lot different

If you want the fight to be easier, I'd go for more damage

(Assuming any%), the main options are nail 1 and shade soul; nail 1 is faster but shade soul is really powerful

[snow dome]

What actually happens when you click remap controls

[low wharf]

See #archived-modding-help message

[desert scarab]

so i accidentally was speedrunning without thinking about it
and got the 100% speedrun achievement-

time says 19h 24m 05s
kinda blurry i know-

[fiery fox]

im so annoyed

ive tried for so long to try get obs

working to record my game and livesplit

but at this point im just gonna use xbox gamebar and not show livesplit

[fiery fox]

nah

i fixed it lol

[echo rover]

i fixed it lol

[sharp maple]

the real final boss of 112% apb 1.4 is shitty dashmaster i swear to god

i died once trying to get the vessel fragment at deepnest then i got to 1 hp when i went again I'm too used to dashmaster not yeeting me into the floor

[chrome forge]

lmao

deepnest is just the worst

[strong vessel]

Just run on 1.5

I'm serious, my 112 experience has never been the same

[sharp maple]

But my starry knight skin :(

[peak pawn]

Hey

[analog monolith]

customknight isnt allowed for 112% apb runs anyways

[magic pebble]

how long, on average, does it take for a speedrun to be approved

[formal bough]

a couple days to a week+, depending on the category and how busy the verifiers are

[true palm]

verifiers are busy rn

[split rune]

I really want to get good at speed running but don’t know any routes, my goal is to just have fun at first so anyone know any good/fun routes

[formal bough]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[formal bough]

so that should have some routes on there

[split rune]

Ight

[sick trout]

yeah i have nail 1, i can do hitless watchers in godhome now after a bit of practise (w/ wings) but i haven't been able to try w/o since i don't have any practise mods or anything

[analog monolith]

wings isnt too much help in wk fight tbh

id prioritize damage over wings

[sick trout]

im just bad and can never time jumps so wings give me way more room

mm we'll see

also probably in the long run they'd be helpful

[true palm]

if you're looking for the easiest watcher fight in the world shade soul is your best bet

wings sure it can help you a little with bad positioning but if you ever want to drop it you're just gonna have to relearn positioning

at least with shade soul/nail1 the core concepts of get double triples still applies

[strong vessel]

If you're looking for the easiest WK fight in the world, ddark is better, but that requires dive and therefore sanctum and isn't that good as a result

And doesn't really help with learning the VS fight

[crimson hull]

so on the topic of downpatching for Gog, talked to GoG support, their response was they don't support the older patches (pre-1.4.2.4) and don't have access to them anymore. I was directed to talk to team cherry, well with one exception. 1.2.2.1

that's the current most prominent no major glitches one, correct? so I'll definitely be holding on to it.

[formal bough]

1221 is the fastest any% NMG patch, correct.

[crimson hull]

thanks

I don't suppose there's anything I can do to make this version available for GoG users looking to downpatch short of releasing the file into the wild (which I don't want to because it's a full installer for that version instead of just the differing files and while i'm sure it's out there I don't want to contribute to piracy) or setting up my own depotdownloader equivalent?

[dim tinsel]

in terms of speed-running, RE: Uumuu fight, which is better: where Quirrel staggers Uumuu; or, where Oomas stagger Uumuu?
just curious, my guess is the oomas are more optimal, but happy to be mistaken 🙂

[sharp maple]

quirrel is less rng but oomas can be way quicker

[fiery fox]

anyone got a tutorial on greenpath skip

like the one to get to hornet early

[quaint grove]

use quickcast

and socdcleaner

if your on kb ^

[elfin vortex]

And if on controller use claw grip

[fiery fox]

is squit skip any good

for it

[elfin vortex]

I mean if ur not going for a top time then squit skip is fine

[fiery fox]

ah

i just want to get non double digits in aluba%

[elfin vortex]

Ah well then I'd recommend just practising fb timing the skips over and over in debug

[fiery fox]

fb?

[elfin vortex]

Fireball

[fiery fox]

ah

im running current patch

ill just try out squit skip first

[elfin vortex]

I do too. Patches dont affect the fireball skips afaik but I mean squit skip only loses a few seconds so its fine

[fiery fox]

yeah

thanks

:D

[arctic orbit]

cloak in 10 min, claw in 13

had really good hornet rng

[strong shale]

I want to start speedruning on ps4 but i don't know how to set up livesplit

[terse cargo]

livesplit... doesn't work on consoles

consoles are timed in real time using an actual timer

[steady lynx]

If you want to use livesplit for timer on console, just use smallant's guide

You need a capture card to have obs and stuff though

[analog monolith]

note that the autosplitter and load remover wont work

[sharp maple]

https://files.zylon.moe/ely/2108252008257521637371.png

[analog monolith]

:o nice!!!

[sharp maple]

One day I'll start submitting these

When i get a run thats faster than xero's i submit it

[steady lynx]

How fast was he?

[sharp maple]

4h9m is the submitted run

[gray salmon]

Wow, well done, that's impressive !

[gray salmon]

Do you stream these runs ?

[analog monolith]

doesnt seem like they do :c

(also feel free to join the speedrunning discord (in pins) to talk ab more in-depth speedrun stuff :D)

[deep dagger]

If you want a run to be verified on console do you also need a visible timer on screen or can you just show the timer at the end of the game?

[digital jewel]

the timer at the end doesn't mean anything for speedruns. you don't need a timer on-screen though

the run can be timed from the length of the video between selecting the game mode and the screen going black after absorbing the infection

[deep dagger]

Do loading screent times coun

?

[digital jewel]

yes

[deep dagger]

Oh no

[digital jewel]

why oh no

[analog monolith]

bc that means no loadless :c

[haughty fossil]

console runs are placed on separate boards w/ only other consoles, so everyone is on the same hardware (in theory)

[analog monolith]

^ is also true

[ember nexus]

I don't know if this has been brought to your attention, but some friends over at NoReset marathon are organising a metroidvaniathon soon and it would be nice to have a run of hollow knight in it.
Here's what they had to say:

NoReset is proud to announce the return of the critically acclaimed Metroidvaniathon, taking place this October 8th to 10th! This marathon, as the name implies, is a speedrunning marathon for charity aggregating all the best (and worst) games in the metroidvania genre. Submissions are currently open, you can submit your runs on our website here : https://www.noresetspeed.run/en/run (submissions close August 28th).

We hope to showcase all the titles from the Metroid and Castlevania series. Here's a complete list of those titles (please note that submissions aren't limited to those games):

https://bit.ly/3BROa28

Please take note that this event is done entirely online, you are required to be able to stream your game at a decent quality to participate. Since this is a charity event, start thinking of donations incentives that could be added to your runs.

The charity we support for this marathon will be announced shortly.

[analog monolith]

ooh :o

kinda cool

[ember nexus]

It is! And i'd participate if i had any metroidvania ready for submission, they are super cool folks and have been doing marathons for almost 6 years so they know what they're doing too!

[haughty fossil]

is it time for me to start running all skills current patch again

if you'd like to announce it in the pinned HKSR server too, you can probably use #hk-community there

[ember nexus]

oh yeah sure!

[rocky dew]

how hard would you consider queens station skip? im just getting myself into a low% run (not for SR, just a "fun" run)

[snow dome]

Do you mean the fireball skip from Queens station to fungal wastes?

[rocky dew]

yeah

[snow dome]

It's quite tight. You need to be pretty clean with your Fireball turnarounds

It's basically free with Howling Wraiths

[rocky dew]

the turnarounds key sequences are fucking me over rn yeah

[snow dome]

Are you using a controller or keyboard?

[rocky dew]

kb

[snow dome]

Search this discord for an app called SOCD cleaner

It will make it much easier

You can hold right, then just press left (without letting go of right) to fireball, then let go of left

[rocky dew]

is that allowed in SRs? o.O

[snow dome]

With SOCD cleaner this is treated as as right, then left, then right. Without it it's right, then nothing.

Yes, because it mimics something that you can do on a controller

[rocky dew]

i cannot find it via search, i only find discussions about it, mentioning its in #resources which doesnt exist on this server

[snow dome]

If you head to the server linked in the pins it will definitely be in there

[rocky dew]

ah found it

so on controller if you go HOLD RIGHT -> TAP LEFT AND CAST you are actually turning sides?

i tried it out on kb+m where it doesnt yeah

where it just maintains looking to right side

[haughty fossil]

on controller dpad overrides analog, so by holding left on analog + tapping right on dpad you get an instant turnaround.
on kb by default, left + right inputs do not override each other but cancel each other out, so holding left + tapping right stops you moving rather than turning around. using SOCD cleaner makes left+right override based on which was most recently pressed.

[rocky dew]

i see

[true palm]

low% peepoArrive

queens station skips pretty difficult, but if you're doing it casually you can farm up in fogged so its not too bad to miss

all the little jellies respawn when you leave the room

you can do queens on kb with socd cleaner, its in #resources on the speedrunning server

its infinitely easier and you can swap to it just for the skip

like youd just need to bind left, right, jump, and fb for it

oh wait i need snail, why did half the messages not show up lmao

[rocky dew]

hello CC

ive actually seen your compilation, it was pretty helpful for some addditional comments on the skips (better than just watching a SR where it "just works")

and yeah, low% got my interest

doesnt change the fact i have no clue about what exactly i do wrong though, i dont know how far i need to jump before beginning the sequence of fireballs, i dont know how much im supposed to move right before doing another fireball, its just horrible rn

i think im not using my movement after the 3rd fireball enough though, i think "uhh im way too far" and then just say "fuck it, reset"

also not using full jump height, guess i'll grind with this info

oh and i think i might even jump too early 🤔

[true palm]

i use the little signs in the background as visual cues

and you can use the dust left behind from when you jump to know if your jump was good

if you send a video of your best attempt i can give pointers pretty easily

[rocky dew]

thats the problem, theres no best attempt they all feel pretty equal

[true palm]

just send a video of an attempt where you get all 3 turnarounds

one that you think "why didn't this work?"

[rocky dew]

i mean i can record a bit

[true palm]

ye ye and just drop him here and i'll take a look

this skip used to be the bane of my existence

[snow dome]

It's extremely straightforward

It's just really hard

[true palm]

knowing whether ur turning around at the right time or if ur not turning fast enough can be helpful

theres a few moving parts

the any% skips its mostly "did you turnaround and did you jump?"

[rocky dew]

https://youtu.be/b3TUjGXS-yw

[true palm]

you're on keyboard with SOCD cleaner on right?

[rocky dew]

yup

otherwise i'd be screwed with the turnarounds i guess

[true palm]

ok so i want you to tap left and then tap fireball

also quick cast

are you using quick cast?

[rocky dew]

im not

[true palm]

there you go

this is like impossible with focus cast btw

[rocky dew]

is it relevant? since im only tapping cast anyways

[true palm]

it is

[rocky dew]

oh really? damnit

[true palm]

its an automatic 1/3 of a second delay

on each fb

thats why you're struggling

[strong vessel]

Fireball skips are impossible with focus/cast because the game has to check that you aren't healing before casting

[rocky dew]

im in the air though, but yeah i get it

currently uploading radiant kills, i'll check afterwards

[strong vessel]

The game doesn't care that you're in the air; the delay is the same

It just won't let you heal

[rocky dew]

yeah as i said i get it

i was just tryna bash the game for checking even if im in air

[true palm]

you can start focusing the dreamers and thk from mid air

i don't think it counts towards the time needed but you go through the animation

[rocky dew]

oh that sounds like at least a "valid" reason

not a good one, but a valid one

[true palm]

no its not a reason its a byproduct of bad code lmao

[rocky dew]

lets say its a valid reason

[true palm]

intentional feature

[rocky dew]

intentional

to prevent skips

[true palm]

i mean tc does hate speedrunners

but i think part of it is just that they wanted to minimize the number of "fuck i cast a spell and i meant to heal"

[rocky dew]

ive recently seen quotes of them saying they like people discovering skips and stuff

[true palm]

they like discovering skips so they can patch them out

which is whats happened to most of them

even the simplest things such as opening inventory to shorten hardfall animations been removed

[rocky dew]

i mean, becoming a programmer myself i dont think it's too uncommon that you fix bugs in your software or your game

[true palm]

theres a difference between removing code breaking bugs and ones that don't matter

theres numerous softlocks that have been in the game since day 1

[rocky dew]

subjective

[rocky dew]

yeah i agree to that

i would like to see those things tbh

the softlocks

[true palm]

vengefly king

if you kill vk during scream you get an infinite scream

infinite load thk happened a lot on 1432 and below, idk about 15

[rocky dew]

if you reload it should be fine shouldnt it?

[true palm]

any enemy can also spawn invisible until you restart your game due to vram issues

[rocky dew]

ah

[true palm]

infinite load thk requires an alt f4, vk does as well

[rocky dew]

there might also be the thing if all bugs are reported

i dont know TC a single bit how they are and stuff, im just tryna be neutral 😄

[true palm]

ye, i could go on a long rant

but at the end of the day their priorities are a little questionable

[rocky dew]

at least they fixed godhome dialogues with LMB keymapped to attack

[stuck raptor]

they've changed item collection timings to ruin speedruns when they have no casual implications

vengeful spirit in particular

[true palm]

an argument could be made that it was tied to performance for that one since vs lags 1221, but its probably unrelated tbh

[stuck raptor]

the animation wasn't changed

the only thing they changed was when the game gives you the item

[true palm]

oh nice

[rocky dew]

so they just added a delay when the item spawns?

[stuck raptor]

no. when you jump into the item

[true palm]

not when it spawns, when the game registers you have the item

[rocky dew]

can SOCD cleaner stop fucking over my typing

[stuck raptor]

you used to be given VS immediately after touching it

but now, you don't get it until you're locked behind the gate

which ruins any type of glitched runs

can't skip mound anymore

[true palm]

theres some glitches you could do to skip mound that you'd literally never do casually

like patching out bugs that reduce gameplay quality is one thing

[rocky dew]

that counts under major glitches though no?

[true palm]

not all major glitches need to be removed

and not all speedruns are nmg

[rocky dew]

i disagree from a developer side

[true palm]

i mean celeste is a game that had some bugs and they've embraced it

[stuck raptor]

even if they don't affect casual players in any way?

so screw over the speedrunners just for the sake of perfection?

pretty weirdchamp

[rocky dew]

as a developer you most likely want your game to function like you want it to function

and not stuff like superslide or whatever

[stuck raptor]

why not?

it's not going to affect casuals ever

and it lets others have fun with it

so fixing stuff like that is just a net loss

[true palm]

their game didn't even function on most pc's until recently tbh

[rocky dew]

because developers want their games to work like they want them to work

it's subjective what you want to keep and what not though

[true palm]

i could almost agree IF the casual experience wasn't riddled with bugs in and of itself

this game literally has input delay tied to fps

arbitrary random input delay

[stuck raptor]

that's such a strange mindset to me. if something exists, and a non-zero number of people enjoy the thing while it also has no negative effects on the playerbase at large.... why remove it?

that's just a giant middle finger to the people that enjoy it

[rocky dew]

because it's a bug in your software, it might not affect people but it's a bug, and as a developer you want malfunctioning things to be fixed

[stuck raptor]

is it really "malfunctioning" if it has no downsides?

sure, maybe it wasn't originally intended

but so many beautiful things come from what's not intended

[rocky dew]

is supersliding malfunctioning even if casuals would never experience it? yes it very well is

if I was to develop a game I would probably keep those funny things but make them more controlled but that's all a subjective thing

[true palm]

but the game already malfunctions at a core level, if you patch out superslides, fix the rest of the issues with the game

[rocky dew]

obviously you speedrunners are mad, which speedrunner wouldnt be

i also get that, but in the end its all subjective

[stuck raptor]

I disagree

[rocky dew]

i totally agree with this ^

[true palm]

like team cherry are humans with lives

they should spend the time on the game, making sure it works at all

at a rudimentary level

before patching out exploits

the game goes through unbearable amounts of input lag on consoles and low end pcs

not because performance is bad

but due to bad code

[rocky dew]

i also agree to this one

[stuck raptor]

it's akin to a TV showing up. most people would enjoy watching the tv. but speedrunners are like the kids that enjoy playing with the box. playing with the box hurts nobody, but the devs wanted to take it away anyway, because we should be "watching the tv instead, like intended"

that's what I don't understand

just let everyone have fun

[true palm]

like heres a good one, sporeshroom does more damage than intended to THK on 1432

they removed it for like 0 reason

its not more damage than an upgraded nail or shriek would do

but it was viable for speedruns

and there would be 0 way they'd know about it

unless they actively paid attention to our community

and removed things

[rocky dew]

because it's not working as intended, that's a very valid reason to fix something

[stuck raptor]

"just go watch the tv instead"

[true palm]

the part that irks me, is that 99% of the things that are patched, are things we do in runs

but all the infinite bugs that ruin casual experiences, or speedruns, or whatever get to remain

[rocky dew]

well if theres a heavy focus on nerfing speedruns then i very well understand you

[rocky dew]

yeah i agree again

[true palm]

in addition to the fact there's 0 reason to remove it

like just because its not original intent

doesn't mean it doesn't fulfill the end goal

the goal of a video game

is for people to have fun

[rocky dew]

well, thing is, bugs can spread and affect other things where its not-so-funny

[true palm]

but these bugs literally don't spread

[rocky dew]

and thats a reason why i would solve it as mentioned above: i would make it controlled

[true palm]

these bugs are already controlled

[rocky dew]

i would make it work as before but its in my hand as a developer how it works

as a developer you could probably get in contact with speedrunners as well so they test if the fixed version still works as before from a mechanical standpoint

[true palm]

that is in fact what many other games do

and that in fact works

like Celeste

or Rain World

which are both games i've actively played and considered/have ran

instead Team Cherry lurks in the shadows and releases random patches to remove things we've used while introducing new softlocks for keyboard players because they don't play test their game

[rocky dew]

i still stand with the point of subjectiveness, developers decide how they want their games to work, it's the developers's game, not the game of the players

[true palm]

that's a mindset to not sell games lmao

[rocky dew]

we're talking speedruns

thats not about selling

since runners already bought it

[true palm]

no the "its the developers game not the game of the players"

[rocky dew]

the "selling" takes a part in the casual experience

well it is not

and the developers decide how much they wanna interact

[true palm]

the devs make a product for people to use

[rocky dew]

and they decide how its being used

[true palm]

car companies don't back roll cars because they want to change the steering wheel design

[rocky dew]

if they dont want superslides, they fix it

but i already told you that i think they should care about the casual experience first

[true palm]

end point does remain though

team cherry hates speedrunners

[rocky dew]

well you mentioned that they focus on fixing things that is used in speedruns, so that is very likely

[true palm]

which is a shame tbh, we're the people who interact with their game the most, because we love it

[stuck raptor]

we're talking speedruns
thats not about selling
I'd argue it absolutely is. Screwing over people leads to bad publicity and negative opinions, which can affect sales
and they decide how its being used
hitachi would like to talk about this

[rocky dew]

hitachi?

[true palm]

lets fucking go

[rocky dew]

[true palm]

quick cast's a lot better see?

[rocky dew]

i might redo it though since i hate having had to remap

or i'll change the keys forever, idk

[rocky dew]

quick cast kinda op ngl

i could have slow casted forever

[true palm]

just swap what you use to heal and quick cast

healing you only do sitting still anyway

so it can be really out of the way

[rocky dew]

i did it first try now

[true palm]

its good that you have it down, cuz you need to fb skip for legeater bench and the shadeskip

you have to shadeskip btw

cuz they patched out epogo

[rocky dew]

i even messed up the 3rd turnaround

still got it

TC pls fix quick cast

[rocky dew]

QoL

[formal bough]

or gamer fb skip or magic epogo

[true palm]

neither of those methods are good for a casual low% run lmao

i do not think i mentioned it in my skip compilation btw

i'll find a timestamp for the 3 cp methods

unless you want to join the gang and downpatch

[rocky dew]

cp?

oh current

[true palm]

yup

https://youtu.be/eiKsMRXhZCU?t=2811

oops timestamps

anyways thats the shadeskip method first

save soul after shrumal ogres, fb skip to leg eater, kill yourself in a room

the other options are to turn on vsync to lag your game to do a cursed epogo or to do a triple fireball skip thats harder than Queens with 2

[rocky dew]

didnt you say shadde skip was the easier one

[true palm]

shade skips the easier one

i might've mis spoken

or maybe i meant to say slower

[rocky dew]

yeah but it still looks difficult af

[true palm]

well have a look at the other two options

and see if you like those

the 4th, and easiest option, is to downpatch so you can just pogo the explosion

[rocky dew]

nah i want to do it cp

speaking of, i was wondering what a glitchless/skipless low% would look like, like which abilities you'll need in addition

[strong vessel]

Depends on where you draw the line for a skip

Is spire pogo a skip?

[rocky dew]

was it the obstacle that you pogo off to get up?

with mantis claw iirc

[strong vessel]

It's when you pogo off of a background object to get into watcher's spire, yes

It's definitely intentional

[rocky dew]

i think that is debatable 🤔

[strong vessel]

Then it's incredibly convenient

[rocky dew]

what i saw on steam forums was 14% being mentioned (1% hornet 2% cloak)

but that sounds like it still uses skips

even if only spire

[strong vessel]

If you count anything like that as a skip, I think it'd be normal low% + hornet 1, cloak, broken vessel, wings, dung defender, and isma's tear

21%

[rocky dew]

i was about to mention acid cdash but lets forget that

thats all abilities then isnt it

[strong vessel]

Not shade cloak

[rocky dew]

i dont count that as an ability since its an upgrade

although it enables certain areas so kinda debatable

[true palm]

if spire pogo is a skip so is false knight lmao

so add another %

you can leave city crest and get tram pass without dark rooms so that wouldn't be a skip imo

but the wall is the same level of intentional as those breakable objects

[rocky dew]

false knight seems pretty intented to me

the breakable wall only has the use of escaping false knight

it doesnt do anything else from what i recall

[true palm]

could've intended to be broken after false knight

maybe they miscoded?

who knows?

thats where intentional skips get wonky imo

[rocky dew]

but what would the use of breaking it post-FK be

breakable walls always hide some area/item

thats not the case for that one

you can just escape FK with it

[true palm]

i mean you can also farm 1800 geo in crossroads and buy lantern and go straight to peaks, thats not intended since they specifically make enemies drop little geo but is that a skip

also as for the wall theres a bunch of breakable walls that don't lead to things

they're just shortcuts

[rocky dew]

or shortcuts yeah

[true palm]

that wall could just in fact be a different route through the room that they thought was a shortcut

[rocky dew]

still doesnt apply to FK wall

[true palm]

like all the levers in mantis village are completely useless

that wall could be as equally useless

[rocky dew]

in MV they enable shortcuts

[arctic orbit]

cloak in 10 min, claw in 12

[rocky dew]

as useless as they may seem but there is a pseudo-use

[true palm]

when you go "intended" skips it becomes arbitrary

they literally enable slower movement

going through some of those gates is in fact slower

with more spikes

the top left one in particular

[rocky dew]

the only 100% intended skip that comes to my head is the false knight one

but you guys know more if there may be anything else

[true palm]

i agree false knights more intended, but team cherry also knew about the acid skips

and left some in

[rocky dew]

some were fixed?

[true palm]

yup

[rocky dew]

ah

[true palm]

leg eater has an invisible wall by his

[rocky dew]

btw for the cp epogo, is vsync really needed for it?

[true palm]

yes

you need to lower fps for more knockback

[rocky dew]

physics tied to fps?

[true palm]

yup

[rocky dew]

ah, remember that from dark souls

where its also tied to 60 and increasing it via mods fucks with physics

specifically ds1 i think

[true palm]

they used a visual scripting language to program a game ported from an indie engine with minimal coding experience so sometimes logics tied to the graphics engine by accident

[rocky dew]

i see

[true palm]

enemy speeds, knockback, and input handling are sometimes handled by the graphics engine to name a few

[rocky dew]

well im not sure what to do with that skip

[true palm]

just do the shadeskip

its not that hard

[rocky dew]

tried shade and vsync epogo so far, neither really worked well

shade idk where i have to be hit

like at what height

[true palm]

you jump at the spots I do

and do full jumps

you could also try the mantis village fb skip

it'll take quite a while to do since you just barely started doing fb skips

its so hard i literally had to grab old footage of me doing it because i couldn't do it in the video

[rocky dew]

which one

[true palm]

timestamp is 53:36 in the video

[rocky dew]

ah i see

yeah i'll try it out if i ever get there

[true palm]

its not super great in runs cuz you can't do the consistent new mantis pogo we do but casually you just need to do it once

[rocky dew]

god why the fuck do i get myself into this shit

[true palm]

you get there by going right in epogo room

[rocky dew]

i just thought low% is interesting so why not do a fun run

[true palm]

and then down

[rocky dew]

and now im slowly becoming a speedrunner mechanic-wise

[true palm]

because team cherry didn't want us doing low%

games intended to be beaten with dash

quite honestly surprised they didn't move the platform in queens station

removing vs recoil wouldn't matter btw, you can do it with just airstall ie triple wraiths

[rocky dew]

thats still another %

and you'd still need VS

[true palm]

no no i'm not saying as an alternative

i'm saying if they removed vs recoil

it'd act like wraiths does rn

vs would still work because it gives airstall

in fact it'd be easier since you wouldn't need to turn around at all

[rocky dew]

lol

[true palm]

they'd need to completely redesign queens station for it to be only doable with dash and not airstall

like add some thorns or something

[rocky dew]

yeah but like, my idea was a fun run

[true palm]

low% is not fun for super casuals tbh

dark rooms

difficult fights

fb skips

[rocky dew]

oh yeah fights are basically no movement abilities

[rocky dew]

whats a super casual for you?

[true palm]

like i think people who do randos and stuff will still have fun

or masochists who like nail 0 vs only watchers with no dash

[rocky dew]

i mean, you can see what ive done in the game so far

[true palm]

if you don't enjoy failing at something a lot until you succeed low% is not the category for you

some people pick up hk quite easily and its a breeze

[rocky dew]

i'm regularly doing challenge runs in all dark souls games so yeah i can confirm i enjoy failing

[true palm]

in that case you'll probably enjoy it yeah

for reference this is what i watched when i signed up for this category

https://youtu.be/nePbHZzqFas

i watched this and said "cool i'mma speedrun this"

i came into this knowing it was cursed as shit

[rocky dew]

reminds me of portal 2 no portals

[true palm]

that sounds even more dumb tbh

but maybes its the hundreds of hours in low% telling me its not that bad

[rocky dew]

my most recent run was steel soul no upgrades so i should be relatively fine with the boss fight lengths at least

[true palm]

watchers will be a lot easier when you're not trying to go zoom zoom, thk's a little spooky

uumuu just takes 20000 years

[rocky dew]

i also procrastinated getting abilities like double jump (but obviously i had dash)

yeah uumuu SUCKS

since you have claw the fight shouldnt be too bad

[true palm]

its worse on current patch

[rocky dew]

hm?

[true palm]

uumuu gets stuck in platforms on older patches

so you can beat em up for a bit longer

[rocky dew]

oh like markoth

[true palm]

ye kinda

[rocky dew]

but markoth still stucks

which im really grateful about

[true palm]

<@&283547423706447872>

[rocky dew]

i was about to already, ty

markoth radiant without him stucking at platforms would be horrific

[true palm]

ye cp uumuu is bad

when i was going for cp low% rekky i didn't even bother trying to come up with a faster strat

[rocky dew]

it's not difficult and you can heal enough if needed so it shouldnt be too bad, just long

[true palm]

yup

[rocky dew]

rekky?

[true palm]

record

[rocky dew]

ah

[true palm]

i wanted current patch record since it became a separate category and we discovered the new epogo

[rocky dew]

the vsync?

[true palm]

yup

somni discovered it when she was teasing the idea of running cp low%

before we knew about the mantis village fb skip but determined it wasnt rta viable

so all the runs did the shadeskip

[rocky dew]

if it wasnt possible you probably would have been shadeskip ye

what if no shade skip though? 😱

[true palm]

its so much timesave i literally die to watchers in record and still beat it by a minute

i stopped trying to get a better time because the epogo is horrible

[rocky dew]

i noticed...

[true palm]

so i went back to 1221, and finally got record there as well

and now i don't have to run low% anymore

[rocky dew]

what are you doing now

[true palm]

i'm learning 106%

which is max completion on 1221

[rocky dew]

what tf is 106

ah

[true palm]

no hiveknight, godtuner, or pantheons

[rocky dew]

coming back to glitchless/skipless low%, would that be roughly the same as any% wouldnt it?

[true palm]

nope

not even close

dash actually gets to claw faster than fb skipping

the run optimally is about 10 minutes slower

oh oh skipless?

[rocky dew]

indeed

[true palm]

skipless low% and any% would be the same yes

any% actually might take the time to get shamans stone even without shadeskip to blue lake

[rocky dew]

honestly though, skipless hk runs would probably be as boring to watch as to do them

[true palm]

indeed

[strong vessel]

It circles around back to what counts as a skip though

[rocky dew]

so i get why it will never be a category

[true palm]

well skips are arbitrary as well

[strong vessel]

If you count the intended skips as skips, then it'd be quite a bit longer than any%

[true palm]

even what we consider a major glitch is voted on since its opinion based

[rocky dew]

"intended skip"

we had the discussion before

[strong vessel]

Yeah, that's why I said "circles around to"

[true palm]

we'll never have it as a category because its super arbitrary

we don't even have a glitchless one

since the games so jank

[rocky dew]

so all runs use acid skip to the least i guess?

[strong vessel]

Yeah people were discussing "intended route" as a category but it never became a thing because it's pretty much impossible to quantify that

[true palm]

there isn't a single run in the game i can think of that doesn't acid skip

[strong vessel]

Well all main board cats

[true palm]

even runs that get ismas acid skip

[rocky dew]

intended route in hk? hk is more open than a book

you can go anywhere

[true palm]

not without skips

[strong vessel]

There are meme cats that just.. never come across acid lol

(Well acid blocking the way to somewhere but you know what I mean)

[true palm]

no matter what you go crossroads -> greenpath -> fungal -> city without skips

[rocky dew]

i tried the acid skip in... i think it was in greenpath and never got it

was too lazy to grab tear, then grabbed it anyway

i was quite happy with my 38% completion, dont bash me

[true palm]

fca (forgotten crossroads acid skip) is the most common one and is required for low% btw, so you'll learn it soon enough

[strong vessel]

(With the optional deepnest as a way to get to city)

[true palm]

ye you can do tram pass for city or crest

or you can raise 1800 geo and go to peaks as well i guess

[strong vessel]

Lmao, I call if FC acid skip too because it's also the fog canyon acid skip

Forgotten canyon when

[true palm]

theres like 1000 other fog canyon acid skips so i call it forgotten crossroads

[rocky dew]

what the fuck

what kind of category is "any% SS"

[true palm]

steel soul

[rocky dew]

i know

[strong vessel]

Any% but you run on steel soul

[rocky dew]

but why does it differ

[strong vessel]

So you can't shade skip

[true palm]

you can't shadeskip to blue lake

[rocky dew]

ah

[true palm]

the route gets super messed up

its like a cross between low% and any%

[rocky dew]

so pretty cursed

[strong vessel]

Remove the ability to shade skip and suddenly darknest lol

[rocky dew]

it's quite funny that i'm kinda demanded to do speedrun tech to even complete this low% run

[true palm]

i mean its only speedrun tech cuz we speedrun the category

queens station skip would not be speedrun tech if low% didn't exist

i'd think of it more as randomizer skips tbh

[rocky dew]

well what i mean is that it's undoable without that kind of tech

and well, skips are kinda a result of speedruns

[true palm]

i'd try doing a rando

you'd have fun probably

[rocky dew]

im gucci

i will have fun with low%

[strong vessel]

Randomizer skips just covers pretty much everything possible in the game lmao

[rocky dew]

fun

i can just hope that the access to mantis village is the hardest thing i will encounter

[true palm]

darknest can be bad ye

cpeak has more fb skips

[rocky dew]

fb is fine

it will not be fine i know

[true palm]

cpeak is honestly going to be hell

[strong vessel]

Well "casually" (as casual as low% can get) you can get early lantern

[true palm]

ye for early lantern go right after tram pass

[strong vessel]

Cpeak is the reason why I've never tried running low%

[true palm]

farm ups some geo

[rocky dew]

i will not be farming 1800 geo

[strong vessel]

"Farm" as in relics

[rocky dew]

and i'm mostly following speedruns anyways since i have no clue where i have to go and which skips are necessary

oh yeah i could grab some relics potentially yeah

[true palm]

you can get rafters seal kings station seal, gorgeous husk, basin journal, mantis village journal, and city journal and you'll be fine

[strong vessel]

You need lantern regardless, it's just a matter of when

Doing darknest early is faster but otherwise pointless

[true palm]

normally we use watcher geo for lantern ye, but since you're not trying to go zoom zoom its probably going to be easier and better for mental health to get relics

[rocky dew]

implying i knew how to get city no abilities

[true palm]

it'll come up

[rocky dew]

wait where are my notes

[true palm]

after you get to deepnest

[strong vessel]

Deepnest tram pass etc.

[rocky dew]

well but to sell relics i need to get to city

to get to city i need to get through DN (which is dark)

[true palm]

tram pass has no dark rooms

dark rooms start after picking up tram pass

[rocky dew]

ah

[strong vessel]

Dark deepnest is to get to herrah

[true palm]

team cherry had some good game design when it came to deepnest

[rocky dew]

so basically starting from green section

[true palm]

ye

thats all dark

[strong vessel]

Yeah pretty much (though if you wanted to be super accurate nosk is in the light zone)

But that's irrelevant

[rocky dew]

deepnest over fungal i guess?

[true palm]

you get to deepnest from fungal

[rocky dew]

yeah

so how many relics do i need, implying seals

4

[true palm]

the ones i listed will cover you

[rocky dew]

i already have 1 from the speedrun route

[true palm]

Mantis Journal (above mantis village)

[rocky dew]

what where did you list them

you can get rafters seal kings station seal, gorgeous husk, basin journal, mantis village journal, and city journal and you'll be fine

ah

[strong vessel]

There are plenty of relics

Greenpath stag journal and sporg seal too

You'll want to get extra for stags and stuff

[true palm]

anyways i'mma dip cuz i got practice to do but this is probably the hardest part of platforming you're going to need to do (obviously you don't have to do it zoom zoom)

https://youtu.be/bIs6m5XgsPo?t=140

[rocky dew]

i have a bit more geo than needed anyways because i killed quite a few mobs that were on the way

[true palm]

the wall jumps off the conveyors in particular are rough

you can fb skip them if needed

get soul off the totem

[rocky dew]

oh my dear this will be rough

i'll go sleep now too, guess we'll read each other soon enough i'm already really grateful for the help, so thank you already

[digital jewel]

<@&283547423706447872>

[plucky moss]

ty

[sharp maple]

woo!

after weeks of not running this category i got a really good pb

ignore the qga split 😌

[snow dome]

hype oclock

[next fiber]

Is there a good way to get livesplit on fullscreen? I did it yesterday but cant replicate it

[snow dome]

Alt+enter to get your game into boarderless windowed

[next fiber]

I found a way to do it

While opening up the game hold livesplit

[spice kestrel]

i need help for a speedrun

any%

[steady lynx]

Acid skip?

[spice kestrel]

all skips

i'm bad

[snow dome]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[spice kestrel]

oh

thx

[ionic herald]

Hello so can someone help me with down patching to 1.2.2.1? I'm doing it through steam and when I enter the depot code I keep getting this message saying something like Depot download failed:Manifest not available

[stuck raptor]

sounds like you didn't run the steam patcher exe

[ionic herald]

Idk what that means

[stuck raptor]

exactly

follow the downpatching guide from speedrun.com

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[rocky dew]

HELL YEAH

@true palm shade skip

[terse cargo]

shade skip poggers

[rocky dew]

(into mantis village, im just doing a casual low% run)

[terse cargo]

casual low% low% is a very hard category

[rocky dew]

i already hadd the pleasure talking about it with CC

[terse cargo]

ah

[ionic herald]

Now i get this message: Depot download failed : error writing chunk for "C:\Users(my name)\Downloads\New folder\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521\hollow_knight_Data\sharedassets164.assets.resS"

alr thanks for the help

[terse cargo]

sorry no one responded in... 10 minutes? you're asking in a discord channel, and people have lives

[rocky dew]

so far queen station and shade skip to mantis village were the rough parts (but queen station mostly was because i used slow cast)

[fiery fox]

😄

new pb

by 2m

learnt squit skip witch saved alot

gonna try get better run before i upload

id go up to 42nd

made alot of mistakes and healed loads

but#

[twin swallow]

Idk if you really need splits on both of defeating hornet and picking up cloak, but grats on the pb

[nocturne arrow]

are there any potential time saves on the any% run as i know it is very optimized and if so where?

[rocky dew]

mantis fb skip 😩

[analog monolith]

there's plenty of small optimizations that overall could save up to about a minute but nothing big that could break the category if someone did it in a run

[rocky dew]

ah finally got it

[digital jewel]

pest missed pogaxe in wr and couldn't get scream skip on hollow knight either

I don't think the current wr is uploaded somewhere though

[analog monolith]

wym by not uploaded?

it's literally on his yt

[digital jewel]

ah yeah I see it

just not submitted

his 32:33 either

[nocturne arrow]

how do i downgrade my game to patch 1.2.2.1?
this is sorta related to speedrunning as its the fastes version i think and idk where else to put it

[stuck raptor]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[nocturne arrow]

i followed it and the game still seems to launch in the newest version

[stuck raptor]

there's a section with multiple game installs

[nocturne arrow]

yeah i followed that also

still didnt work

[stuck raptor]

including add it to steam? Did you rename anything? Did you use the exe that came with your downpatch?

[nocturne arrow]

it said adding it to steam was optional i didnt rename anything and i dont understand the third question sorry

[stuck raptor]

this

[nocturne arrow]

i have that

oh

do you mean the exe that came from this Steam\SteamApps\content\app_367520

[stuck raptor]

yes

[nocturne arrow]

yes i did use that

[stuck raptor]

try adding the exe to steam and launching it there

[nocturne arrow]

ok

its still in the latest version

[stuck raptor]

what's in your steam_appid file

[nocturne arrow]

367520

[hallow imp]

quick question. Do I have to run hollow knight with fullscreen off in 1.2.2.1 for timesplit overlay to show up? Or can I do something to have it overlay on top of full screen?

[stuck raptor]

yes

[hallow imp]

darn

oh well

thank you

[stuck raptor]

turn off fullscreen and add "-popupwindow" as a launch option

will be window/borderless

[hallow imp]

oh

where do I add "-popupwindow"?

[stuck raptor]

steam game launch options

[hallow imp]

found ittt

[stuck raptor]

right click it -> properties

[hallow imp]

thank u XD

[stuck raptor]

yeah

[nocturne arrow]

deleting my steam appid folder and just adding a new one with the same thing in it seemed to work for some reason but im not complaining xD

ty for the help @stuck raptor

[hallow imp]

they are the best im pretty sure they also helped me with modding XD

[hallow imp]

👉 👈 whatd i do

[rich latch]

hey

how do i get to version 1.2

[hallow imp]

I learned from this

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

and it worked. My timer thing is just mad at me and idk why

[rich latch]

does it show how to do it on steam

[hallow imp]

mhm

[rich latch]

ty

[hallow imp]

np

it shows 2 ways i went with the first

it starts off talking about GoG tho so just scroll past that part i think thats fine to do

[rich latch]

yo do you mind helping me

[hallow imp]

hm me?

i can try my best

[rich latch]

ty

so firstly

how do i turn off auto update

[hallow imp]

well for one i dont think you actually have to if you wanna go down to 1.2.2.1 and have that as an option and such, but to turn that off you right click "hollow knight" in your steam application and go to properties and go to the update tab and youll be able to see it

aka theres an option to have the current version of the game and the 1.2 as seperate starters to run and such

[rich latch]

ok

i did the command

[hallow imp]

where are you in the steps on the website currently?

[rich latch]

4

downloading the command

or entering it

[hallow imp]

gotcha

[rich latch]

it says to enter it and it says that a thing will come up that says its complete but it doesnt..

[hallow imp]

oh so

[stuck raptor]

you have to wait

[hallow imp]

it takes a hot minute

ye

[stuck raptor]

it's downloading the full game

it takes time

[hallow imp]

mhm

[rich latch]

ok

it says Depot download failed : error writing chunk for "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521\hollow_knight_Data\level323"

failed doesnt seem like a good sign tbh lol

[hallow imp]

no no it dont i dont recall seeing that

[rich latch]

how do i take a screenshot on windows

[hallow imp]

for me i do windows key+ prt sc button

if you have multiple monitors you can do the same thing but do alt first and then the rest

but the screenshot will go to a different place

[rich latch]

ok wait'

im gonna go through this again

i have the thing downloaded

i launched it

and i went to the steam nav thingy

[hallow imp]

mhm

[rich latch]

wait do i do the quotation marks or no

[hallow imp]

no no

[rich latch]

kk

[hallow imp]

dont do the quotation marks no worries

[rich latch]

it says downloading

it says its complete

now what

is that it

[hallow imp]

so then

then you would install it the way you do that

is going to your folder specifically named "Steam"

then "steamapps"

then to "content"

then to "app_367520"

all of these being folders

in the final one there should only be one folder

[rich latch]

where do you think the steam folder will be

ive never done this lol

[hallow imp]

i went to "this pc" typed it in the search bar and just let it search my pc and clicked the first option

when u search steam dont hit enter

wait no do

[rich latch]

ok

[hallow imp]

you do have to hit it

weird

when i hit it the first time it tried to go to web browser

well ahem anyways

[rich latch]

its not a file its steam its self when i open it it opens steam

[hallow imp]

hmm

hold on

[rich latch]

ok

[rich latch]

which one do i click

[hallow imp]

XD

[rich latch]

lol i saw that

[hallow imp]

i wasnt sure if its against the rules or not XD

mhm XD

aanyways tho

[haughty fossil]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[hallow imp]

im checking which one its in rn

[rich latch]

im getting called for dinner we have to do this quick lol

[hallow imp]

oh boi

[rich latch]

which one do i click?

[hallow imp]

im trying to find out the uh explorer searching is slow as heck

nmight have to pause

shouldnt break anything if u go eat first right?

[rich latch]

ig

it will be 10 mins

cya

[hallow imp]

no worries

[rich latch]

wel

brb

well*

brb

[hallow imp]

mhm if need be just @ me when ur back

mhm

[rich latch]

oik

[true palm]

Depot files C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520

if you have everything on default installs

[hallow imp]

ur righttttt

my stuff is all weird cause all my games are installed in a diff hard drive but even mine has that

smol brain moves

[true palm]

because it doesn't go to the default game install drive

[hallow imp]

mhm

[true palm]

it goes to wherever steams installed

[hallow imp]

weird but not gonna complain honestly

[rich latch]

@hallow imp

back

[hallow imp]

yo look at what constructive said above thats how you get to the steam folder

[rich latch]

i have the steam folde

r

i was letting it run while i went to dinner

[hallow imp]

gotcha

[rich latch]

what do i do now

[hallow imp]

well then once you go through the directory shown above you wanna crop click and copy "hollow_knight_data" and "hollow_knight.exe"

[rich latch]

where dat

[hallow imp]

one sec

[rich latch]

k

oh wait do you want me to copy that

[hallow imp]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520

copy past that into your search bar on the left

this spot

theeen

XD