do the mods stay
#speedrunning
fiery fox
stuck raptor
like with the steam beta page?
fiery fox
yeah
stuck raptor
no. because you're replacing the api
the mod files will still be there, but won't be run
fiery fox
the mod files will still be there, but won't be run
so if i switch back to the old version
theyll work again?
stuck raptor
no. because you won't have the api
fiery fox
can i just revert this version to unmodded and play like that
stuck raptor
so long as the api is gone, yes
true palm
i'd recommend you have two separate installs personally, so you don't get the api's mixed up
analog monolith
totally not the bottom
yep!! thatd put u 3rd to last on the cp boards
fiery fox
yep!! thatd put u 3rd to last on the cp boards
cp boards?
i just found it cause of that
analog monolith
current patch boards
fiery fox
oh
im using 1.4.3.2
OH
THAT IS
lol
i uploaded to wrong leaderboard then
woops
digital jewel
You uploaded it to the wrong leaderboard twice
It's fine the moderator will edit it for you
fiery fox
i uploaded it to current patch, is that correct?
safe path
my any% pop run got rejected because i need to show the title screen at the beginning of my run
how do i show that on an IL speedrun? do i have to edit in the title screen?
haughty fossil
you can show it at the end, just quit out after the run
you must not edit the submission video though, splices will be rejected
safe path
ah ok
knotty vigil
Hey i got 3 hours 15 minutes any% nmg on xbox can i join the club
sly onyx
how do you ever have enough for lumafly lantern after killing watcher knights, i can kill them in under 40 minutes consistently but never have enough to buy lumafly lantern
steady lynx
relics
maiden crane
On the topic of relics, I am not into speedrunning but is it a qol mod that allows you to insta-trade relics by talking to him, or is it a real thing?
stuck raptor
it's part of randomizer
maiden crane
Ahh ok
tall prawn
Wheres a good place to practice inventory drops
true palm
any ledge works, lurien spire is pretty decent
gruzzer drops good since you can use that one often in runs
tall prawn
I cant find any good tips online
Is it better to pause first or try to go straight into inventory
tall prawn
Ah ok
tall prawn
And might in fact make it impossible on current patch
do i do the kingspass drop the same as all the other ones? It seems different when there is no ground to fall off
snow dome
You cannot do the early control trick on current patch.
tall prawn
So that should just be a hardfall?
snow dome
On earlier patches you can pause to gain control, then just inventory drop as normal.
Yes, you just straight up lose like 6-8 seconds
tall prawn
Thats dumb
snow dome
I mean that's the game
twin swallow
Welcome to current patch š
tall prawn
snow dome
The rules right next to the submit run button
twin swallow
Go again and be even faster šØ
analog monolith
On the topic of relics, I am not into speedrunning but is it a qol mod that allo...
this is a part of qol! luckily there's a qol any% category that no one runs if u want comfy cp runs
tall prawn
Wouldnt using fury technically be faster for any%
analog monolith
yes
terse cargo
quit warps and benching reset health, but i guess so?
analog monolith
but no one wants to do 1hp thk after 32mins
tall prawn
Well for bosses like thk
terse cargo
hitless any% is a (very hard) category
tall prawn
Well you could just go hitless for bosses ofc
terse cargo
ig
also that would mean overcharming if youāre also going with shamans, but i canāt find any reason why that wouldnāt make it faster
tall prawn
Yeah, just tank 2 damage then boom
terse cargo
just significantly harder
tall prawn
Well if its faster
terse cargo
yeah
tall prawn
Surely that wouldnt give uumuu a 1cycle right
terse cargo
it could?
terse cargo
300
terse cargo
only thing that will slow the run down is actually getting the charm
terse cargo
hmmm how much does shaman VS do
i think itās 20? but itās easy enough to get double hits
terse cargo
isnt there a vengefly you can pogo or am i mistaken
i donāt know i hardly get fury in new save files lmao
still
tall prawn
oh yeah theres nothing to pogo to get fury
terse cargo
im not doubting you, Iām just incredibly curious on how it wouldnāt be faster
digital jewel
takes 20s to get, then you also have the overcharming animation that's really slow, and being overcharmed loses time in herrah segment because ideally you'd damage tank 3 times there
terse cargo
oh i forgot about den
tall prawn
well you dont always need to be overcharmed
digital jewel
so it has to save around 30s I believe between watcher knights and the hollow knight
terse cargo
would a one cycle uumuu be possible?
tall prawn
Probably not tbh, the nail only does 3 extra damage per hit
terse cargo
ah
digital jewel
1 cycle is really far from possible
terse cargo
oh well
tall prawn
It was just a thought i had because i wanna start speedrunning
terse cargo
ah, good luck then!
digital jewel
even in all skills where you have the shade soul that doubles your spell damage, it's still only just possible to get 1 cycle
tall prawn
Im on switch so i cant do kings pass inventory drop apparently
terse cargo
nope
tall prawn
Oh well
terse cargo
i basically only run current patch, so yeah, no king pass idrop
tall prawn
I was trying to get qga skip earlier in my main save, but i didnt know you couldnt do it with ismas
terse cargo
wow cringe
tall prawn
Ill start a new save tomorrow so i can practice qga and shade skip
terse cargo
go fungal route, itās easier
tall prawn
wdym
terse cargo
deepnest through fungal wastes
itās much easier than qga and only loses like 40 seconds
tall prawn
40 seconds is kinda a lot i feel like, might as well just git gud at qga
terse cargo
fair enough
digital jewel
on console?
fiery fox
for stuff like Aluba%
digital jewel
on console or pc?
fiery fox
pc
digital jewel
no
fiery fox
ok
digital jewel
time starts when king's pass loads
snow dome
40 seconds is kinda a lot i feel like, might as well just git gud at qga
It is very much not
snow dome
You can get 36m with Deepnest route and reasonable movement.
analog monolith
qg route is prob worth to learn right away if ur on 1221 or 1.5
but on 1432 it might be worth to start w/ deebnest route
digital jewel
it still depends a lot on your intentions
true palm
my last pb, a 38, dies to qga lmao, so if your end goal is just a respectable time its super not necessary (it also had another death to a husk in city)
getting optimized queens gardens takes a lot of effort, and in order for it to not lose time you have to play super well
i can save 40s with less effort by just cleaning up overall movement, as can most people above the 36 range
deepnest is way different than like nail 1 for instance because it only affects a single split, whereas nail 1 changes movement for 2-3 splits
so you can learn qga and apply it to a run a lot more quickly than other route changes
if end goal is to have a super optimized run and you want to stick with any% for a while you'll probably learn qga eventually, so its up to you on whether you want easier PB's now by not having to do QGA and Queens or later because you've already had the practice so its easier to optimize
(which is true of like 99% of speedrunning in general)
tall prawn
https://youtu.be/hgN37qE4OS0
Why are you specifically running aluba%
tall prawn
It might be fun actually because its quick
fiery fox
Why are you specifically running aluba%
oh
why
idek
thought it would be fun to try
fiery fox
yeah
tall prawn
Maybe 4 mask shards too
fiery fox
yeah#
tall prawn
Im gonna do that tomorrow lmao
twin swallow
aluba% is basically the first quarter of the any% route, so it can be good early game practice if you're thinking about maybe doing that later
it's pretty accessible for beginners
terse cargo
aluba% is fun
fiery fox
yeah
steady lynx
On current patch?
elfin vortex
Assuming your on current patch, iirc you can only inv drop on the physics frame (1/50) when walking off of a ledge. It really doesnt save much time at all so its the least of your worries tbh
steady lynx
It might not save much time but it looks cool so it's instantly worth
digital jewel
what patch are you on?
dusty tinsel
the last one
digital jewel
it doesn't work
dusty tinsel
ok thanks
digital jewel
any% does a shade skip. but you can avoid that if you really want to run in steel soul mode
analog drift
alright cool
I'm gonna try speedrunning once I get good enough
but for now I must be able to beat steel soul
that'll give me some motivation :)
also
another question
are steel soul and default different categories?
elfin vortex
Yep. Heres the steel soul board - https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Any_Steel_Soul
dusty tinsel
what patch are you on?
bro, I changed the patch and I still cannot do this
digital jewel
changed it to?
dusty tinsel
1.4.3.2
digital jewel
it doesn't work on that either
that skip is only on 1.2.2.1. no patch before or after
terse cargo
oh wait i thought it was pre-1.3, good to know it's only 1221
dusty tinsel
bro
I can't kill the Knights
i'm doing this run to get the achivment of 5hr game
But I can't kill them
They are very strong
dusty tinsel
the boss
analog hedge
jovial mountain
i'm doing this run to get the achivment of 5hr game
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jovial mountain
I think the guide has some tips on wk
high hawk
Would there be any big differences between true ending and the inability to take damage cause I have lost a very bad bet
Like routing wise
jovial mountain
Would there be any big differences between true ending and the inability to take...
are you trying to ask if hitless TE would have any major route changes from normal TE?
high hawk
Ye
jovial mountain
if so, the answer is yes because normal TE uses the TE shade skip to get dnail early
TE also uses that as right side access
high hawk
Ah I forgot about that is there a steel soul TE route?
jovial mountain
afaik no, but you could try asking in the speedrunning discord (invite in pins)
high hawk
Ah ok thanks sorry didnāt notice that
jovial mountain
Ah ok thanks sorry didnāt notice that
np, asking questions here is fine for basic stuff, but if you want more detailed answers / discussion the speedrunning discord is where everyone has moved
high hawk
np, asking questions here is fine for basic stuff, but if you want more detailed...
Were would I ask that in cause I donāt see any like question channels?
Oh nvm didnāt see the hitless channel
tall prawn
Why is aluba% a category extension
Its just an any% route except you go to lake of unn at the end
weary root
It's not the any% route, you don't need any of the geo collection 
analog monolith
Why is aluba% a category extension
welcome to category extensions
tall prawn
Well stuff like 4 mask shards and elegy is different
And even great hopper has weird skips i think
But aluba is just any% except you just end after hornet
formal bough
I mean it's a very interesting glitched category
analog monolith
i think i remember hearing it was made as an nmms showcase? but then ppl spun it into nmg earlygame practice lol
strong vessel
Also, it's less any% but it ends early and more like (pretty much every category that gets dash) but it ends early, which is why it's good for practice
versed nova
I can't kill the Knights
Try checking out this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlmjHynpIjc&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH&index=8&ab_channel=fireb0rn
tardy flower
On switch can you inventory drop on current patch if you time it just right?
steady lynx
Yes
tardy magnet
Can you do pogo of the explosion for the mantis shortcut in version 1.4?
steady lynx
Not the explosion anymore
1.4 and up have to use a different strat
Technically 1.3 as well but let's ignore that patch
tiny ibex
Technically 1.3 as well but let's ignore that patch
1.3 
static sage
How come I canāt flip switches with dash slash through doors on switch
steady lynx
That was patched out
inland otter
Anyone else get a giant lag spike when breaking the false knight door
weary root
106% is max% on the good speedrunning patch 1221
weary root
the game only had 100% at launch
tall prawn
Right
weary root
the extra 12 is from dlc
tall prawn
So which dlc is the 6% from
tall prawn
I thought it just had p1-p4 and godtuner
tall prawn
Oh well hive knight was just in the lifeblood update i think
glossy scarab
Can we quick cast in keyboard?
digital jewel
yes
glossy scarab
how
digital jewel
go into your control settings and look for the quick cast key
strong vessel
If you have default bindings, it's on F (assuming qwerty)
sharp maple
hey sexy gamers, the lot of you
has anyone mapped a run for 112% that includes fighting nkg instead of vanishing?
that anyone knows of
tall prawn
Whats the point
sharp maple
the fun
tall prawn
Just do the 112 then when you are supposed to banish you just fight nkg
sharp maple
you have to go out of your way to find the 3 nightmare grimmkins
so it was mostly because of that
if nobody has done it yet I'll do it myself it doesnt seem like a hard task
i simply cannot bear to lose custody of grimm babby every time i finish a run
im also gonna modify it to include path of pain cuz that should be a percent and im mad that its not
steady lynx
If you really want to fight him just get Brumm, the one in Basin and the one in Hive
Like 106 does
sharp maple
i was thinking
fighting grimm before going for shade cloak, then when you do fungal wastes do a little detour frmo the deepnest mask shard to get the fungal core grimmkin
then do the one in the hive and then brumm
seems like the smallest detour
though you dont have abyss shriek for grimm which means that maybe quick kill is impossible?
steady lynx
Have you seen the 112 route?
steady lynx
Good luck, Grimm without Shriek is horrendously slow
sharp maple
maybe i can do him after shriek
I'll see
yeah it could be done right after getting shade cloak and shriek with the same amount of detour and you'd still get to fight the grimmkin in fungal core
steady lynx
Idk why you would do that one, you go basically past the Basin one when getting the Pale ore
sharp maple
wait right you do go back there
i was going through the whole run seeing if you get anywhere close basin again and i completely forgot that
reef nexus
i'm really having issues with the skips to get to ismas tear in all skills
steady lynx
Current patch?
elfin vortex
i'm really having issues with the skips to get to ismas tear in all skills
Have you checked out this video? https://youtu.be/wMYnCoUVCSo and ofc use debug to practise it alot
sharp maple
Is current patch spike tunnel skip different than old patch
sharp maple
Wtf i cant do it on current patch at all
twin swallow
Idk if they're all that different in difficulty personally, it just takes some muscle memory un-learning if you're used to one or the other
versed nova
is queens garden acid skip possible in current patch?
digital jewel
yes
strong vessel
has anyone mapped a run for 112% that includes fighting nkg instead of vanishing...
The reason why 112 banishes is because it fights NKG anyway, in the pantheons
tight garnet
not sure if this should be in modding help or this channel, but i'm having a hard time following the guide speedrun.com to downgrade and dl 1.2.2.1. whenever i download the depot through steam and run it, it always runs my current patch and mods instead. is there something obvious i'm doing wrong?
haughty fossil
do you have steam_appid in the downpatch folder
tight garnet
oh, no, wow thanks
that fixed it, thanks!
it doesn't seem to recognize any controller inputs
is that a problem that could be caused by registry issues?
specifically it doesn't recognize my controller at all
haughty fossil
some controllers weren't supported on 1221, you may need to use a compatibility layer like xb360ce, or JoyToKey to emulate keyboard inputs
tight garnet
ah ok makes sense, i'll try that out
keen jetty
I have a question, I wanna try to do a nmg any% run but I can only play in my switch that it's on current patch, Fire's videos are still useful for me to get a hold of the run or do I need to watch something else to learn it?
haughty fossil
fires guide is still useful, there's also a current patch guide on speedrun.com that I really need to remake it's work in progress 
the general route between the two is the same, save for the lack of a lever skip in spire and much more lenient geo routing
keen jetty
oh, okay, thanks
twin swallow
it's the "less difficult" part of darknest to be fair
three rooms, one of which is completed in like, 3 movement actions
practice with the lantern first to build muscle memory, and then try and repeat it without
terse cargo
fiery fox
terse cargo
aluba% gang
sweet mulch
Yep
edgy kiln
Gold Absolute Radiance
terse cargo
jfc
quaint grove
hi blackmoon! š
dark blaze
Pog
sharp maple
rad abs
turbid jetty
It's normal for the download for depot through steam to take quite a while, right?
quaint grove
yea it depends a lot on internet speed
snow dome
Yes
worthy glacier
Does the speedrun achievement include paused time?
Like when you open pause menu?
steady lynx
Probably
snow dome
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haughty fossil
the in game timer does not include time spent in the pause or title menu
forest sphinx
sharp maple
i realized that since you dont vanish if you fight nkg its faster to get shape of unn, baldur shell and the two respective grubs right after summoning the troupe instead of later into the run
so i changed that too
pale leaf
Just starting the run. Having trouble with explosion pogo to get to Mantis Village. I am running on current patch. I canāt get a jump upwards when I pogo and I just end up taking damage. Any tips?
true palm
cp does a different epogo
they removed the ability to pogo explosions
this is the easiest one to do imo
pale leaf
Okay Iāll check it out. Thank you!
true palm
if you struggle with it this ones obsolete but also viable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U
the 2nd one is a good backup if you fail the first
since it uses no fireballs
pale leaf
Okay, so if I canāt figure these out, is there an alternative to getting to Mantis Village?
true palm
just go around
you lose like 40s
so go right in this room and down and to the left in the next ones
pale leaf
Okay, thank you!
true palm
fwiw, pest (current 1221 wr holder) ran on 1432 and got top 3 at the time of his run without doing epogo whatsoever
the categories not as optimized as it could be
terse cargo
epogo more like unnecessary
true palm
i mean it really helps the flow of the route tbh
and also entering mantis village from the top allows for double dash
entering from right means you have to do scuffed 3 mantis or something
it used to be a lot worse, back when pantapogo and vsync epogo were the only ways up
twin swallow
vysnc epogo is ugly but works, pantapogo is just a scam
fierce dawn
Speedrun dieing to Zote
pale leaf
Hello again. I can't get the lever skip in City of Tears. I have tried a bunch but no luck. Does it work on Current Patch?
snow dome
No
pale leaf
okay, what would be my alternative?
snow dome
Kill the husk guard as normal
pale leaf
ok, thanks
left grove
hey ive never tried speedrunning hk before, and im really bad at keyboard controls (mainly play on switch), but is getting to hornet in 10 minutes good?
for a first attempt
cosmic gale
yes very good
tall prawn
bitter prawn
bro what I have never gotten to hornet in 10 minutes and Iāve done a lot of runs
ignore the fact that I play 112 rather than any
snow dome
You can find guides on speedrun.com
mystic ingot
okay, thanks!
latent plank
is there a way to downpatch hollow knight on switch?
tall prawn
For wat
terse cargo
no idea
tacit parrot
New record ;p
fiery fox
wait
spare frost
I'm new to HK speedrunning, what's the ideal route?
Depending on if you are just trying to get the fastest time without doing acid, shade or venegful skip there is an under 5 hour route which could easily get you a time of maybe 1 hour if optimised
spare frost
New record ;p
Hell yeah, nice time!
tacit parrot
Thanks !!
fiery fox
huh
my run says 48th
when it shouldnt be
should be avove voltage 101?
nvm
put time in wrong section
snow dome
You can just edit it
digital jewel
Did you have loadless timer visible?
I don't understand how the run ended up with 14:14 and 14:18 times
terse cargo
why is there a 2 hour run
weary root
Because that's Pip's PB
digital jewel
It was an al2ba run iirc
terse cargo
oh that makes sense
twin swallow
Yeah mudpip's a true gamer
digital jewel
Yeah you don't have Livesplit so there's no loadless time
fiery fox
yeah
i just subtract the time in the starting cutscene
cause that doesnt count right
digital jewel
Yeah
short spire
https://youtu.be/uWrO_MP3pdM
yo you shouldnt use random peoples art that you just found on google for thumbnails
you need permissions for that stuff
lyric ocean
Meh, I donāt think anyone has ever gotten mad at someone for using free art on google
Even less so if you give credit
twin swallow
There's a comment in the thread where the creator says it's fine to use for non-commercial purposes if you give credit
If in doubt though yeah, always ask/check for permission
fiery fox
okay
terse cargo
i make my own shitty thumbnails
short spire
yea since you added the link instead of just crediting google search you should be good based on what they said in that thread
magic viper
my record! (Made in steel core)
spare frost
Good stuff @magic viper
magic viper
:D
atomic hound
oi
chilly pewter
Would it be bad for my first category to be true ending? It seems like it might be more fun to do, also you get to do white palace which is pretty pog
twin swallow
TE is on the harder end of runs in this game, but if you think you'd find it the most enjoyable then go for it
There's an old-ish video tutorial for the category on the speedrun dot com page which might help you decide before investing a ton of time into it
chilly pewter
I was just gonna watch some runs on it and copy from that
Also what part of te is especially difficult?
twin swallow
Well the whole run is basically a low-equipment boss rush so
chilly pewter
Ah, makes sense thanks
Oh yeah one more question is current patch harder? I'm too lazy to get a different version lol
terse cargo
current patch is less optimal, you will be slower because certain skips become harder/impossible
chilly pewter
Wait isn't there a category for current patch
stark birch
Yes, cp has fully separate leaderboards. Current wisdom for TE is that the route is non trivially different between patches, getting a different main spell (abyss shriek as opposed to shade soul) for damage. It makes some parts relatively easier and some parts (no eyes) almost memetically harder. Itās a very fun run though, and underexplored atm.
terse cargo
fuck no eyes
tacit parrot
The run before the Hollow Knight
And I died 5 times
I gave up
Game decided to RNG me
terse cargo
i like how your biggest time save was gruz mother -> dreamnail
i'm assuming you got shade skip first try?
short spire
<@&283547423706447872>
terse cargo
ax stream š”
tacit parrot
i'm assuming you got shade skip first try? <:shroompog:585688871552155649>
Shade Skip is a chokepoint for me sometimes
Ngl
Also having time save for Crystal Heart
QGA in like under 10 attempts(I believe)
Also not dying to Uumuu
knotty vigil
<:peepoHappy:655142032171597824>
how to get speedrunner role?
wicked trench
how to get speedrunner role?
Join the new Discord server (is pinned here)
Go under #role-request and follow the instructions
novel crystal
Hey any tips for getting the under 5 hours speedrun achievement?
snow dome
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novel crystal
Ah thank you.
shut beacon
abstract dirge
my record! (Made in steel core)
boa demais manin!!!!
to no processo ainda UIASDHASUI
magic viper
boa sorte! hahahahaha
gloomy arrow
blissful tendon
im trying to downpatch hollow night to 1221 but the steam download depot is taking ages, its on around 40 minutes now. does anyone know how long it should take
twin swallow
Could take 90 minutes or more if your internet is slow
You are trying to download the entire game after all
blissful tendon
oh sweet thanks
sinful cape
i just downloaded livesplits but whenever i click on it it shows me a bunch of stuff like resources, componenets and some stuff i dont understand how do i make it work?
robust scroll
I finally just did the speedrun achievement for beating the game in under 5 hours
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robust scroll
Oh sorry
terse cargo
i just downloaded livesplits but whenever i click on it it shows me a bunch of s...
there's lots of guides for livesplit online, i used this one https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl
sinful cape
thanks
fiery fox
anyone got a tutorial for 1.4.3.2 inv dropping
snow dome
There's not much to it
Just open inventory just as you step off the edge
Honestly there's like three places I go for it anymore, because it saves so little time and it's so easy to lose time by getting it wrong.
Because it's just very tight.
steady lynx
Friendship ended with inventory drop, cyclone drop is my new best friend
steady lynx
At Ax two u
snow dome
Proving how futile inventory dropping is.
My other favourite is when diving is better than inventory dropping
steady lynx
I love dreamnail drops purely on that they look cool
snow dome
Imagine they were good
Dream Nail drop in infected gruzzer room is pretty good because it stops in time for you to move right, right?
Makes it a little easier to do better than Inventory
steady lynx
They're technically useful on 1.1 and earlier where opening inventory is laggy
snow dome
*move left
steady lynx
There are a few places where it's just long enough to end as you hit the ground
frozen rose
is there a beginners guide on how to get Any% under 5 hours?
stuck raptor
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frozen rose
thanks
compact spear
@terse cargo i would like to know how to submit my speedrun
from my xbox can you help me?
terse cargo
oh
well you'll need a capture card of some kind
all you need is video proof that it happened
compact spear
do i need to show timer?
ill see if i can get sub 45
i got really lucky in that run too, but i can always try again
haughty fossil
no, runs on console are timed using real time, though it is preferred if you can overlay LiveSplit on the capture. You may wish to read the Game Rules on speedrun.com for all the submission rules
compact spear
no, runs on console are timed using real time, though it is preferred if you can...
ty
wild garden
?srpsa
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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
sharp maple
finished my first 112 apb + nkg + pop run and my ass hurts from sitting
sub 5h !!!
digital jewel
š gg
terse cargo
i think that's the first run of it's kind... ever
sharp maple
damn wr
compact ibex
thats really an awesome time too
sharp maple
thanks !
fair fog
terse cargo
well itās wr because the run is new
tiny ibex
https://files.zylon.moe/ely/2108171740588391569474.png
man i applaud you. thats insane
south herald
thanks for ping
wise tree
I..... think I didn't put P4 split for my timer except everything
I be like after finishing pb: "wot why is the timer not ending-"
I need to check my recording to make sure everything worked well except for that p4 split ._.
Update: SOMEHOW I DIDN'T EVEN RECORD????
haughty fossil
the classic 
reef forge
i cant do the acid skip :/
wise tree
Timer not stopping automatically is probably not a big deal I guess
I think I got the solution
wise tree
I didn't
true palm
do you have end triggering autosplit on if you're doing pantheons?
rapid python
exotic terrace
old fiber
Can you downpatch on mac os
i found it
this is what i get when i try to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 on mac
with this download_depot 367520 367522 9202392574951903457
true palm
i'm probably dumb, i haven't downpatched in a minute, but wouldnt the command read back 367520 as the app id?
ie did you forget to start the command with 367520 @old fiber (also sorry for the late response)
stuck raptor
did you patch your steam version first
old fiber
what do you mean
stuck raptor
?guides
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stuck raptor
you have to downpatch your steam version to downpatch your game like this
old fiber
oh so i have to do this every time i restart
terse cargo
this is why i run current patch 
stuck raptor
every time you restart what
stuck raptor
yes it is
old fiber
i cant run it
stuck raptor
sure you can. you'll just have to use a terminal command with mono installed
old fiber
ill just do curent patch i dont understand
vestal lantern
Relatable
terse cargo
Relatable
smoky lark
Does anyone know if I can find the 112% APB route anywhere?
sleek comet
strong vessel
That guide has a pastebin of the route/notes linked in it, if you find it a little wordy (more 112 runners )
tiny ibex
ill just do curent patch i dont understand
fair enough
elfin vortex
That guide has a pastebin of the route/notes linked in it, if you find it a litt...
And we didnt even need to self promo it . After tourney honestly I may run some 112
strong vessel
You mean you'd finally run 112 for the first time?
elfin vortex
Yuuuup 
Tbf tho I came close to finishing one run ages ago but just cba to do p5 lmao
dire obsidian
just played through my first playthrough of hk, how do i get into speedrunning?
quaint grove
?guides
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quaint grove
here are guides and routes for basically all of the main board categories
for begginners i strongly reccomend all skills and defnitely not any%
terse cargo
you can run any% if you want a shorter run?
analog monolith
shade soul any% isnt bad if u want to just get into speedrunning
terse cargo
oh yeah, you can get a few more relics and get shade soul and a nail upgrade
analog monolith
i dont recommend optimal route any% for anyone's first run
strong vessel
For a few seconds I thought you called the mods on me
terse cargo
well they did
lunar imp
I need some help with down patching š¢
tiny ibex
Might be an incomplete download. Try redownloading it
lunar imp
oki
tiny ibex
no problem. glad to help
fluid mulch
Guys how to do the crossroads shortcut to get to uumuu
Like should I open the controller rumble or??
Like i am stuck there training for 5 hours
And no shit is working
haughty fossil
do you have ismas tear on your practice save?
fluid mulch
Y
fluid mulch
do you have ismas tear on your practice save?
I do
haughty fossil
you can't get it w/ ismas tear on
the acid sucks you down into it when it's swimmable
fluid mulch
So you basically say i have to risk it all in the speed run
haughty fossil
you can always practice without ismas
if you're on pc debug mod allows you to remove skills
fluid mulch
you can always practice without ismas
Nah I only have 1 save file
fluid mulch
if you're on pc debug mod allows you to remove skills
Sounds legit thx
clever fable
does 1.4.3.2 still count as "current patch" for any%?
haughty fossil
yep, I know its a little counterintuitive but we're working on it 
analog monolith
jamie u lot have been working on it for 3 months with no good solution lol
but ye 1432 can still be submitted to current patch boards
steady lynx
Just change it to 1.4+, you will regret it
raven mist
Im new to speedrunning this game, how do you get the older versions
jovial mountain
?guides
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jovial mountain
Im new to speedrunning this game, how do you get the older versions
raven mist
thanks
dense spruce
does anybody know if the save mila% without vengeful spirit has been done before?
formal bough
I don't know if spelless save myla% has been done before, I'm sure the requesite skips have been though
dense spruce
you can get wraiths tho right
formal bough
So that would be longnail baldur then killing dung defender to dashmaster spike tunnel into ismas?
oh wraiths works as an airstall as well
formal bough
oh yeah that makes sense
tulip lotus
I am the friend
just finished the run
beat thk without getting any of the myla triggers
vestal mountain
is 25:36 min P5 fast?
steady lynx
Yes
terse cargo
pog
steady lynx
Hardest part is getting past the masters
vestal mountain
true, but i get it consistently
also i did p5 with 3 binding (mask, soul and nail) in 36:00 min
same strat and build
soft junco
Going to try and do a speedrun. Any guides? Don't be afraid to DM me them. (That's most likely the only way I'll use them considering I'm in school right now-)
vestal mountain
Going to try and do a speedrun. Any guides? Don't be afraid to DM me them. (That...
Fury of the fallen is love, and so is shaman stone
quaint grove
?guides
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quaint grove
guides for all mainboard categories ^
vestal mountain
ngl i wonder why ppl dont use fury of the fallen in any % hollow knight... like ik you gotta go back and stuffs, but you can get in return so much damage upgrade
digital jewel
nail isn't most of the damage you deal in any%
steady lynx
ngl i wonder why ppl dont use fury of the fallen in any % hollow knight... like ...
Do a full any% run with optimal Fury and see how it goes
vestal mountain
nail isn't most of the damage you deal in any%
yes im aware of shaman stone + spirit double tap existance
just thinking why not... it also would likely mean u can skip nailsmith in any%
right.... nvm
u already skip him
digital jewel
just thinking why not... it also would likely mean u can skip nailsmith in any%
the "why not" is that it costs time to get and it doesn't save that time back
true palm
i think homothety said something about it being like overall a few seconds faster in exchange for doing the entire run overcharmed with fury
tall prawn
Optimal
true palm
but those numbers are likely old tbf
steady lynx
Was that before or after Uumuu two cycle?
true palm
i do not know
i do know homothety was spouting the numbers when i was new, maybe like January-ish of this year
steady lynx
That was def after then
true palm
well idk for sure if those numbers were new at the time
steady lynx
But if anyone wants to do basically the entire run hitless, have fun
true palm
i just remember a conversation about if a 30:xx was possible and homothety saying that runners don't even do overcharmed fury yet
its not just the entire run hitless, you need first devout to scoot back into the corner and swing as quickly as possible
steady lynx
Well, it's at least the main bosses
true palm
you then either need to do a pixel perfect jump pogo to get over the devout or do a frame perfect parry lmao
so its a coinflip and then a perfect trick at the end of doing 99% of any% hitless
like the odds of the devout backing up is 1/2, idk the odds of it backing up far enough
zenith dagger
May ask if both the Mantis Claw and Shade Soul skip works on current patch? I was having a hard time doing it in my steel souls run.
twin swallow
If by mantis claw skip you mean explosion pogo, then yes it's possible but requires a different method
The lever skip to shade soul is only possible on patch 1.2.2.1 and has to be done via the intended method on other patches
formal bough
The dashslash lever skip to skip to shade soul doesn't work though
zenith dagger
If by mantis claw skip you mean explosion pogo, then yes it's possible but requi...
yikes, anyways what do you mean by different method?
twin swallow
Try either https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U (if you're on console) or https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM
zenith dagger
thanks i'll look into it
twin swallow
np
They removed the ability to pogo on the explosion cloud in current patches (you can now only pogo the spore before it explodes) which is why the old method doesn't work
zenith dagger
They removed the ability to pogo on the explosion cloud in current patches (you ...
wait does that also mean you can't pogo charged lumaflies now?
formal bough
wait you could pogo charged lumaflies
zenith dagger
I've watch someone do it tho never tried it myself
digital jewel
yeah you could
twin swallow
That's cool I never knew that
plucky moss
Dw tami you dont need to delete your pings once we've taken care of something, we appreciate the pings anyway
snow dome
I mostly do it because somebody inevitably goes "Ooh what happened!?" if I don't. š
vale widget
ooh what happened
mystic forum
scmamer
steady lynx
I just see it and assume it's the CSGO scam or something
clever fable
For anyone that knows of Fireb0rnās 5hr steam guide for the achievement, how do you guarantee youāll have enough geo in the first 5 segments? I might be doing the math wrong, but the geo collection spots donāt seem to add up to what needs to be spent before you hit crystal peaks >.<
tulip geyser
how to i get the auto text masher
digital jewel
there is no auto text masher
worthy glacier
For anyone that knows of Fireb0rnās 5hr steam guide for the achievement, how do ...
Follow the relics route and you'll get a ton of extra money
Literally follow step by step the guide and you'll get like 1500 extra geo
clever fable
i feel like even if you do get the 2x journal and 3x seal it still adds up to only about 2.6k when you need to spend about 2.9k at in segments 4 and 5
clever fable
i must be, i'm reading through it again and i only see those 5 listed @-@
worthy glacier
i must be, i'm reading through it again and i only see those 5 listed @-@
There are a few non listed money sources
Like vengefly king
Shrumal ogres drop like 60
clever fable
i've taken those into account when doing the calcs yeah, still seems to add up to less than 2.9k
haughty fossil
gorgeous husk?
clever fable
that comes too late in the route to be of help for that early spending
haughty fossil
and/or the chest after soul master if you kill him
haven't looked at that route in a while
clever fable
taken into account each of the chests and big $$ enemies too yeah
worthy glacier
You taken into account the 400 geo from false knight chest?
haughty fossil
that's only 250 geo
clever fable
false knight is only 200 in the chest
worthy glacier
that's only 250 geo
Oh really? I remember more
worthy glacier
There are so many small sources of money it adds up with a lot of remainder
clever fable
it seems like it assumes you get a good 300 or so just from hoping you'll kill stuff along the way
actually wait... i didn't take into account the mini boss in soul sanctum.. hm
haughty fossil
that's 200 geo
worthy glacier
Yeah soul warrior and Sanctum geo chest?
haughty fossil
100 incidental geo is not too hard, especially if you just take your time to clear some of the more valuable enemies
clever fable
its 200 for the first time you fight him then? not just when you fight him for shade soul?
worthy glacier
100 incidental geo is not too hard, especially if you just take your time to cle...
I got 1400 extra with the route
Money isnt an issue
haughty fossil
its 200 for the first time you fight him then? not just when you fight him for s...
correct it's 200 both times
clever fable
just double checked a vid, it is indeed 200, totally forgot to add that in my calcs, the money checks out :p
you're right about the extra 100 being easy to grab along the way
worthy glacier
Gruz mother?
clever fable
gruz mother i took into account before too, she's only a mere 50 sadly :S
haughty fossil
1400 extra seems like a little bit too much slowing down for enemies/rocks imo
clever fable
ty to you both for helping to remember the soul warrior is a thing on that path :3 much appreciated
worthy glacier
Have fun speedrunning :3
soft junco
I'm doing my first speedrun using a guide made by that fireb0rn person
civic zodiac
I donĀ“t even know how someone finished the game in less than 4 hours. ThatĀ“s, like, the time it took me to go out of greenpath
haughty fossil
wr for any% nmg is 32:25, which you are right is less than 4 hours
tardy flower
I donĀ“t even know how someone finished the game in less than 4 hours. ThatĀ“s, li...
Basement dwellers get their way with games
civic zodiac
wr for any% nmg is 32:25, which you are right is less than 4 hours <:TeeHee:6032...
I mean, 112%
haughty fossil
for the blue lake shade skip in any% yes just dash and claw, though shaman is bought as well because it's good for the rest of the run
tall prawn
Right
Im mainly asking in case i do a bingo, but once i learn some skips i will probably try to speedrun
Just dash and claw is the easiest right?
Or is there a slower, easier one
haughty fossil
that's the easiest yh
tall prawn
Cool
quaint grove
theres an harder version with just fireball and claw used in true ending as well
soft junco
any glitch to skip watcher knights for xbox?
quaint grove
theres something called elevator storage (i think) but idk if it works on console
you get hit by elevator spikes on the very edge and you store the height of the elevator
so like if you hit the elevator up you go up as well
analog monolith
theres an harder version with just fireball and claw used in true ending as well
vs dash, there's also versions with vs only, wraiths only, extra mask only, and longnail only
terse cargo
shade skip parry only when :troll:
digital jewel
<@&283547423706447872>
plucky moss
ty xero
abstract shore
ty 0
buoyant cargo
i dont know where this goes but does anyone have a low% guide
haughty fossil
afaik there's a route but no full guide
think it's pretty assumed that most people who will do low% do another category first because low% is v. difficult
static sage
i wanna see someone do parry only sly
Ye
sharp maple
died at abs rad
third phase
i am
actually upset
not even mad just upset
I'm saving the run as pb anyway because i modified the splits before it so that made all the times messed up in the previous pb
so now I my pb is not a finished run but i dont care 
terse cargo
pog?
weary root
i dont know where this goes but does anyone have a low% guide
CC is currently working on a low% guide, Part 1 & 2 can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpBP1CgbliFaqjIuQeJjoRU7DGBp3-mPi
sharp maple
no pog 
terse cargo
no pog then 
sharp maple
I'll get it next time
this is the modified nkg + pop run btw thats why the time save at white palace is so big
cuz i didnt spend 5 minutes in the last room this time
sharp maple
grey
terse cargo
grey
sharp maple
funny thing I actually spent a while yesterday practicing radiance before starting another run to prevent this from happening specifically
beat it several times on ascended
charred robin
yooo
charred robin
trying to learn hk speedrunning rn and wanted a little help
terse cargo
no donāt please
sharp maple
terse cargo
i highly recommend against this
sharp maple
trying to learn hk speedrunning rn and wanted a little help
what route?
sharp maple
damn really getting ready huh
charred robin
but for some reason it doesnt read my controller
deep dagger
So recently I completed my best speedrun yet, 57 mins and I want to upload it however the my ps4 can only record for an hour and it cut off right as I killed the hollow knight is my run still able to be verified? I have the screenshot of my final time
sharp maple
ps4 controller?
charred robin
xbxo360
charred robin
yea
terse cargo
joy2key
charred robin
that might work
terse cargo
itās the recommended solution by most people
terse cargo
youāre welcome
snow dome
So recently I completed my best speedrun yet, 57 mins and I want to upload it ho...
It will not be sadly, no. It needs to record until the screen goes black.
deep dagger
@snow dome frick
true palm
@deep dagger you should stream your console runs to Twitch (pretty sure thats built into ps4) and save the VODs
the other option is to a jank recording of your tv with your phone
steady lynx
As long as what's happening is understandable
true palm
like you don't have to have a mic or talk to a chat or anything, you just stream the gameplay, people already can watch your pb when you submit so its not really any different, i'd only go for your phone if your Internets bad
steady lynx
I mostly went for elgato since I had it anyway and it was convenient for me
true palm
capture cards obviously a great method if you have one
steady lynx
Not recommended tho since they're generally, kinda expensive
true palm
i think you can also stream to youtube with ps4 if i'm not mistaken?
i'm not sure how the vods work with that though
steady lynx
Idk, never tested the recording feature on PS4 or any of that
frank edge
Is there an easy way to time the part where u have to hit the falling spike to kill 2 fly at the same time
Visual queue for example
analog monolith
So recently I completed my best speedrun yet, 57 mins and I want to upload it ho...
unfortunately u have to have the frame where it fades completely to black or otherwise it's not verifiable
analog monolith
Is there an easy way to time the part where u have to hit the falling spike to k...
it's a lot nicer on current patch, on 1221 it's much more difficult
i think gwonkee's and fireborn's any% tutorials have good explanations for it
steady lynx
They spawn inconsistently on 1.3+ though so sometimes on cp it's just impossible
snow dome
Is there an easy way to time the part where u have to hit the falling spike to k...
Stand on the bottom central platform. As soon as you see some orange in the background from the aspids appearing, jump to the left platform, jump up, turn and hit. Do this without stopping. You will get both almost every single time. The only time you don't is when they randomly don't spawn at the same time. That's unavoidable
frank edge
Ah ok so itās jump left to the platform and jump straight up
I was mistaking the process xdd
Was holding left the whole time
true palm
you can hold left for a bit
your slash hitbox goes way above your head and is quite large, its what most people mess up tbh
rough crown
What's the recommended version to downpatch to for speedrunning?
haughty fossil
runs can be done on current patch (separate boards exist so cp runs are fairly compared), but the optimal patch for most NMG categories is 1.2.2.1
rough crown
I'm following the guide by Verulean and I've been halted by a missing authentication from my email. I'm guessing it should've been sent?
Oh I found the email. It was flagged as spam.
rough crown
@digital jewel The cmd requested an authentication code since my steam account has that security barrier.
terse cargo
oh
true palm
depot downloader is meh, steam console is good
queen geyser
hey, im doing the acid skip from fog canyon to queens gardens rn, any tips for getting it?
true palm
turn on invincibility on debug and practice getting a cdash out of a dash without losing any height
if you don't have debug do it on the wall way high up with the rocks
after practicing getting the cdash off the wall, practice jumping out of it while losing no height
true palm
the hardest part is getting it 1st or 2nd try in a run
if you dunk too much you won't have enough hp for beasts den even if you do make it across
so you have to take extra time to heal
queen geyser
yeah practice makes perfect
like other than this and deepnest i dont have a ton to work on
true palm
make sure your petra arena is very very solid
queen geyser
just need to get fungal skip down, and consistent watchers
true palm
the petra arena is what kills runs in queens tbh
queen geyser
gotcha
well rn, im just trying to finish a run
like im at 1 hour for this run
gonna break it down
queen geyser
welp
i mean the only way to go from here is up
got to hk in 1 hour 15 mins then got stuck for an hour, ig doing pure vessel with all gear is much different than hk with almost none
haughty fossil
(alt+prtscr only captures the active window) that's a decent first time, would recommend practicing w/ debug instead for next time, PV is a very diff. fight overall
queen geyser
oh thanks mb
charred garnet
Hey just to double check the most popular version to speedrun is 1.2.2.1 right?
haughty fossil
yes
haughty fossil
none, not even modding api
charred garnet
Okey
strong vessel
(1.2.2.1 may be the most popular speedrunning patch by any reasonable terms, but by sheer number of categories where it's more popular, CP wins by a mile š¤)
willow sapphire
can i ask if there is a speedrun for delivering the flower?
strong vessel
In what sense? From a fresh save file and delivering to the traitor child's grave, there's unhappy couple%
Elderbug% is delivering the flower to Elderbug and is much more popular
Florist% is giving it to all possible recipients, including the ones that reject it
I don't think it exists as an IL? But somebody's probably done it
magic pebble
finished my first full any% run, pretty proud of myself despite the awful time
devout nymph
terse cargo
worthy glacier
got to hk in 1 hour 15 mins then got stuck for an hour, ig doing pure vessel wit...
Same I kept trying to shade cloak through him
And kept getting hit like the dumbass I am
steady lynx
~~(1.2.2.1 may be the most popular speedrunning patch by any reasonable terms, b...
Just because everyone runs All Husk Sentrys on current patch
queen geyser
Same I kept trying to shade cloak through him
Lol the number of times where I hit his counter move and dashed instead of jumping was embarrassing
worthy glacier
Yeah fighting pure vessel messed us badly
glad notch
Sorry if this is an obvious question, but what should I do if lever skip isn't available to me, I don't think it's possible on my version and I'm on switch so I can't downgrade
digital jewel
you kill the large husk guard in the area to the left of the lever
glad notch
Ty
sharp maple
went back to any% and damn watcher knights got hands
i was so used to just mowing through them with shade soul
north quiver
hey I saw fireb0rn use this skip in greenpath where he jumps then shoots a vengeful spirit midair to get extra distance and skip part of the level. Does anybody know what this move is called or if theres a tutorial on how to perform it?
jovial mountain
hey I saw fireb0rn use this skip in greenpath where he jumps then shoots a venge...
that is called a fireball skip, there's 3 in greenpath for 1221 (an older patch) and 2 on current patch. here's the part of the beginner any% guide that goes over it: https://youtu.be/v5iOqvckUrg?t=842
north quiver
that is called a fireball skip, there's 3 in greenpath for 1221 (an older patch)...
excellent! thank you.
jovial mountain
excellent! thank you.
np, if you have further questions the speedrunning discord (invite in pins) is the best place to ask
sullen heron
Do any of you know what times you got I'm your first few runs(any% NMG)? Would be nice to know how I stack up with my first couple runs ^^
haughty fossil
my first was 2:4x:xx, second was 1:2x:xx iirc
sullen heron
Jeez that's a huge difference, my second was close to yours though but not quite at that crazy rate of progress
haughty fossil
my first run i chain died to thk (current patch) for around an hour, i did some actual practice before the 2nd
sullen heron
I can tell jeez. Bosses are a super scary part of it tbf. You die and have to take the walk of shame back xD
I died s few times in my runs but I wanna be quick on the fights so I try to not hold back, doesn't work quite as well as the pros I'm afraid lmao
haughty fossil
not being scared is good, you die a lot early on but when you start getting fights better it's much closer to optimal methods
so not that much relearning
sullen heron
Yeah I don't think I'd improve much if I went slowly and safely although with the watchers specifically it's dangerous going fast and going slow since dodging is really hard sometimes
I'm gonna start practicing bosses with debug mod to speed things up tomorrow. I got the mod today and just did some practice of other skips, I wasn't using the mod before that and it suuucked
true palm
debug mod amazing
for runs you should either just no reset or you should just live in debug mod and do IL's
sullen heron
Yeah I'm probs not gonna reset runs because every part will be good practice, dunno what IL's are tho
true palm
stands for individual level, basically means just practicing a split over and over again with a timer
silent notch
Is there currently a broken vessel wr? Iām Iām aiming to get it so I want to know what time I have to beat
true palm
we don't have individual boss speedruns on the boards for a few reasons
- too many bosses
- not enough interest
- too much cheese, most bosses can be defeated so quickly its irrelevant (under 10s for most, some like Moss Charger in like 3s)
- timers not perfect and has too much variation when it comes down to the ms
silent notch
I see
true palm
We do have Pantheon boards, Colosseum, and some other categories
silent notch
Well, Iām still gonna try to beat broken vessel as fast as I can
true palm
i'd recommend you check out some pantheon runs if you're interested, the first 4 are under a few minutes
all official boards are on speedrun.com/hollowknight
good luck with BV though!
median flicker
is 112 apb the same route as 108 just with pantheons at the end?