speedrunning

[unkempt lagoon]

no quite sure how this is possible

[weary root]

paum relic is a journal

it's sporg seal

[snow dome]

Already have that

But it is a Journal we're missing, I just mistyped that last bit

We need 2,450g

So that's the one

[weary root]

oh yeah then paum relic seems good

[unkempt lagoon]

what if we get greenpath journal near stag

[weary root]

probably slower than paum relic

[snow dome]

That's way better than Paum, for sure

Lol

[weary root]

especially as it's on the way to sprog seal

[snow dome]

Oh, is it?

[weary root]

yeah it's in the room before

oooh

maybe not...

yeah we're coming to sporg seal from below huh

[snow dome]

Out of Claw:

Go up for Claw Journal
Head up and left towards the grub room shortcut, then up past Cornifer
Head up to Sporgs
Then potentially right to Paum

Paum Vs Greenpath Stag relic is probably pretty similar

Given you have dash

Would be really nice to have this in the guide

[weary root]

LUL

[snow dome]

Like, I play Rando. I know where every soul totem is at this point, and this was hard. 🙃

[weary root]

the last few sections of the guide have nothing in them at all so definitely seems like a work in progress

[snow dome]

There's no way a new player reads this and just goes "Ah yes, the relic below Shroomals"

Either way, we got there!

I'm going to run this route and see if I can get sub 40

Wait

That would require me to have wr peace everywhere else

(or close to it, anyway)

Yes regular any% guide has routing for Shade Soul on it anyway. I would suggest you just do that

Differences to regular any% route:
Kill False Knight instead of skipping +200g
2x Moss Knights and 3x Geo Rocks before Hornet +170g
When you reach king's station for the first time, bench there, then head left and kill Gorgeous Husk.
S/q back to King's, then head right into edge.
Kill the hoppers on the way until you have 800g.
Buy Dash Slash.
S/q back to King's, go kill Watchers/free Lurien as normal.
On the way back to Lemm, collect Rafter's Seal.

This amounts to an extra 820g, plus hoppers, to cover the Dash Slash. This only works on 1221.

[unkempt lagoon]

So these are the relics we have to get

the ones in red

[snow dome]

.
Shade Soul on current patch requires:
Getting 800 extra Geo (like above) for E-Key.
Getting an extra ~950-1,100g to replace Watcher's chest and seal.
Going all the way into city to sell to sell to Lemm
Stag from king's to Dirtmouth to buy lantern
Into Peaks to get key and C-Dash
Back to Dirtmouth to buy key
Stag back to King's to get Shade Soul.
Continue on as normal.

[unkempt lagoon]

I'm not entirely sure but I do believe this guide is suposed to get nail 1 too

[snow dome]

No, you don't need nail 1 with Shaman's Shade Soul

I would not suggest it in any capacity. You get 12 extra damage per 3hits + spell cycle, which is already doing 55.

[unkempt lagoon]

oh nvm I was wrong

[snow dome]

Either way I hugely suggest the Dash Slash route if you're on 1221.

[unkempt lagoon]

Don't have a good enough computer

[unkempt lagoon]

I think GpS relic would be faster since for paum you would need to sporg -> paum or paum -> sporg (probs 2nd option) which is probably more than just going down before hornet fight breaking a wall and picking it up

[haughty fossil]

I think I routed this a while ago

#speedrunning message

that being said there may be some merit in spelless route now that exists

ie: bench at first bench in gp, quitout there after grabbing gp stag journal, moss Knights + hornet, then go kill mmc, then go all the way down to wastes via Queens, picking up the sporg seal on the way

[haughty fossil]

that gets around 690 geo in early game, but getting back to crossroads becomes a minor problem (could just use gp bench or bench at leg eater)

[snow dome]

This is the route I would take off the top of my head

(r was to separate relic Geo but keep it counted)

My priority was adding as few extra Geo costs as possible.

[haughty fossil]

does this get both VK and moss Knights?

[snow dome]

This get routing ignores all extra enemies. You could cut a journal from this route and you would make it without losing time.

Yes, you do everything from any% plus the additional stuff listed

[haughty fossil]

moss Knights with no soul left

[snow dome]

Yeah you need to get the moss knight double on the first moss Knight ideally

[unkempt lagoon]

do VK w 2 vs and 4 nail hits

[snow dome]

But you can stand to the right of the Geo Rock moss knight as it spawns and Pogo it in the corner for soul, then after it attacks right drop to its left and fireball

[haughty fossil]

... 5 nail hits? VK has 65 hp

[snow dome]

Should be able to get 2 off even with zero soul after VK

[unkempt lagoon]

not counting waking up

[haughty fossil]

that seems v slow and geo spread will suck

[unkempt lagoon]

it's not slow at all if done properly

[snow dome]

Fwiw with VK you wake it up, nail hit it up a couple of times, then it will veer left. You can fireball it then

It's definitely slower than the quick kill, but it's what I often do and you end up with a shot left.

You can slice the vengefly to your right to kill it, then two on the one to the left.

Should end up with 5-6 soul

If not more

Like, you're talking about losing maybe two extra seconds on VK

We're getting Shade Soul, two seconds is not drastic

[jolly folio]

Hello, i also use rewasd and i plan to buy a licence. Do you use more than the base features? There are some extra features that cost 20$ but i am not sure if i need them for hk...

[buoyant osprey]

someone knows about how I wallclimbed somewhere on this area and actually jumped to next platform and could it be a consistent thing to do?

[tribal igloo]

What are some meme speedruns?

[steady lynx]

Menderbug%

[tribal igloo]

I said meme not monster

[steady lynx]

NKG%

[tribal igloo]

Is kill zote% a thing?

[buoyant osprey]

godhome ending low%

[tribal igloo]

No

I’m not doing that

[steady lynx]

Zote% yeah, just beat Zote in Colo 1

[tribal igloo]

I value my sanity

[tribal igloo]

Ok

[snow dome]

You could check "category extensions" on speedrun dot com

[snow dome]

Do you have a video of this segment? Would be nice to see what happened.

[buoyant osprey]

I actually don't have because this was just normal solo run because I am bored but I can precisely describe what happened

[jagged vault]

My guess is you got wcs

[snow dome]

It's the but before you even went into the air that will be important

[buoyant osprey]

I just dashed right and clicked spacebar and jumped like in one of these "frame perfect wallclimb jumps"

I was wallclimbed to air for like 3 frames before jump

[snow dome]

If you were clinging on this wall and dropped off by just sliding you could have stored the wall, basically

I don't believe it's consistent, but there could well be a setup that makes it consistent.

[buoyant osprey]

yeah maybe that's what happened

[snow dome]

One way to make it consistent is to activate a cyclone slash, but that's obviously not that useful here

If you can make it consistent you can use right dash + right claw you could potentially make it up to the totem

Not sure if that's already possible

[buoyant osprey]

also I am concerned by this giant red hitbox in the air to the left of that jump and I wonder what it's there for

[snow dome]

That looks like a mistake

You don't die there so it isn't actually anything

[strong vessel]

Isn't that all you need to just move through the room normally?

[snow dome]

Yeah, I'm not sure. There's a jump in the room that seems tight. Could be fine, in just visualising the room in my head at the moment

[strong vessel]

I'm pretty sure that it's actually optimal to never use left claw, though idk about how the soul totem would fit in

[snow dome]

Yeah, you traditionally just dash under the platform, but I don't think there's any real difference to going up instead.

[astral forge]

A challenge to all of you

Glass soul low % P5

Enjoy the agony I have just bestowed

[vital geyser]

you know no one is going to be able to do that considering only a dozen people have beaten p5 hitless

[trail belfry]

Glass soul low % P5 delicate flower all bindings

[olive venture]

hey how does one get autosplitter to use game time instead of real time

[wicked trench]

Right click - > compare against -> game time
Then check "edit layout" to "current comparison" for the timera

[olive venture]

ok tysm!!

[royal jewel]

hey all

[knotty vigil]

how should you start speedrunning?

bc i want to get in to the speedrun community

[snow dome]

Just do game fas

👀

If you want a serious answer; there's a bunch of extremely useful and in depth guides on speedrun.com/hollowknight.

If you're going for NMG (no major glitches), I highly suggest checking out the video guide that Fireborn put together alongside the written guide that is on there. Using both at the same time is a really good way to learn a huge, huge chunk of the game very, very quickly. Watch the whole thing through, and maybe have the game open and try stuff out as you watch it. Just keep pausing and rewinding to try and figure out the specifics and stuff.

Then just do it. Your time might be crap, but that doesn't matter. Just getting your first run finished is a really good feeling, and will give you a good idea for what you're struggling with. Getting something in practice is different to doing it in a run, and you can get a lot of information about what you're good and bad at really quickly.

[knotty vigil]

thanks il check it out now :>

[lusty scroll]

also do note fireb0rns videos are on a previous patch of the game (1.2.2.1); the route is the same and its still a good guide but some enemy placements and timings might different if you play on current patch (also no mid air inventory either)

[snow dome]

Yeah, the main differences are the inventory drop; explosion Pogo; the lever in spire.

[wicked blaze]

inventory dropdoes exist, but you have to press inventory RIGHT when you drop off an edge, explosion pogo does have a setup in current patch

but yeah you cant hit the spire lever in cp

[dense vigil]

Hello! i'm new to speedrunning and I was wondering how I should set my keybinds for keyboards!

[signal meadow]

LETS GO

[slim geyser]

Sorry this is a bit late are you switching to keyboard just for speedruns or did you use kb casually?

[lucid stirrup]

If you use Wasd, there is a lot of options, I'm not too familiar.

If you use arrow keys (this is what I use) I recommend
z - jump
x - nail
c - dash
v - quick cast
a - heal
s - crystal dash
d - dreamnail

These are the defaults, other than switching quick cast to v from f. Monstahler uses full defaults (same as this except cast on F) and some other runners use essentially the same

[dense vigil]

I used to use keyboard casually!

[dense vigil]

Thank you! I will try this out!

[exotic harness]

if you use WASD then try these i use them and they are good
space - jump
left click - nail
shift - dash
E - focus/cast hold to heal and one click to cast spells
R - Crystal Dash
right click - dream nail
i dont use quick cast i use focus/cast

[limpid ruin]

I would recommend moving inventory to space and giving jump to a non thumb finger, unless you're already heavily experienced and have good thumb use technique

[digital jewel]

You ideally want nail, quick cast and jump close together. Somewhere that's comfortable for your non-movement hand to rest

Focus can be anywhere random. It's not used often

[lucid stirrup]

yea, inv on ctrl is also good, either of those

same finger for dash and cast is perfectly fine tho

[obsidian ledge]

Can you do the lever skip (the way to get to watcher knights) on 1.4.3.2

[weary root]

Lever skips only work on 1.2.2.1

on CP you have to kill the great husk sentry and then open that lever to go up

[obsidian ledge]

thx

[carmine fog]

Heyy can someone maybe help me set up autosplitter/load remover? I know it shouldn't be hard but I am incredibly stupid

[digital jewel]

yea what's the issue you're having

[carmine fog]

well i did the basics

went into livesplit, activated autosplit, added the splits that i use

that worked
autosplit itself is working
but i have no idea where to go to remove loads from the timer

[digital jewel]

right click livesplit and click compare against -> game time

[carmine fog]

wow im stupid

thank you very much

[digital jewel]

not knowing how something you've just started using works isn't stupid

[carmine fog]

true

i only yesterday found out about the terribleness of load times in this game so i thought i'd finally start using load remover

[mossy vapor]

hey o/ this is the correct discord for the hkas tournament?

[digital jewel]

yeah

you need help with something?

[wraith warren]

Just verifying this was the right place. We're here on behalf of speedgaming trying to sort out a channel jam for the tournament this afternoon.

[mild moon]

If one of the races has to be postponed, I would be fine with rescheduling if @leaden python is.

I think Pisces already gave an extension until Tuesday?

[leaden python]

like, later in the day, or rescheduling it the other day?

[wraith warren]

I sent Pisces a DM on the matter, but was wondering if one of the races could wait until the other one was done, so they would go back-to-back.

[mild moon]

In that case, I think ours can start no later than 3pm, given vali's timezone? But I'm fine with whatever works for the others.

[leaden python]

3pm will probably overlap

load normalizers, interviews and all that

[carmine yew]

@old sphinx @ember karma would you two be okay postponing your race 1.5 hours?

[leaden python]

I think it will be even later for Pharest 🥴

[carmine yew]

Wait really? France?

[normal aspen]

Might be able to reschedule one of the races for another day is that's possible and Pharest/ daot can't postpone

[carmine yew]

Yeah we can also reschedule to a different day no problem

[mild moon]

I'd be fine doing it on Monday

[leaden python]

I can postpone by 1.5, or even by 2 if it's needed

[mild moon]

I also just got a spooky outage after my last message

[leaden python]

oh no

[old sphinx]

It's ok for me, but idk if dao can

Everything before 4PM EDT is good for me

[wraith warren]

If we do back-to-back, we'll have it in such a way that we'll do the first race, interviews, and then setup to Race 2. 2:00/3:30p Eastern start.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread but do ping me if something does happen so I can see it.

Thanks.

[leaden python]

but yeah, I definitely can't do it on Monday, so if dao can't make it we can put our game after pharest vs dao

[mild moon]

That works for me

[ember karma]

I can push it back as well

[wraith warren]

Okay, thanks, everyone. @carmine yew I'll go ahead and move @old sphinx vs. @ember karma to 3:30 and keep valigo/homothety at 2:00.

[carmine yew]

👍🏼 Thanks everyone

[mossy vapor]

[old sphinx]

[mossy vapor]

[thorny eagle]

Is this an alright place to ask for help on practice setup or should I go elsewhere?

[digital jewel]

yeah it is

[thorny eagle]

Nice

Ok so I'm trying to downpatch using Verulean's video on doing it with steam, but CMD is telling me 'dotnet is not recognised as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file'

Have I messed up the install of something somewhere?

Specifically trying to do the CMD part where you use depot downloader to downpatch

[digital jewel]

did you install dotnet?

[thorny eagle]

Yes, but possibly the wrong one?

I could try a different thing

I thought I needed x64 but

[digital jewel]

honestly the method directly through patching steam is easier imo so I would do that instead

[thorny eagle]

Thought that didn't work anymore?

Or so it said in the fireborn setup video description

[digital jewel]

you have to patch steam for it to work

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[thorny eagle]

Ah right

[digital jewel]

I don't think there are any updated video guides on downpatching

but this text guide should work for you

[thorny eagle]

Alright yeah thank you - I prefer text guides to video guides so that's great

Think I'll need to wait for my steam to finish whatever it's doing first though

[shrewd cape]

I am 4 hours into a speed run and so far I have gotten everything up to first nail upgrade and wings is this a good time for a first speed run?

[shut beacon]

yeaaa its good, dw about ur time on ur first run just try finish it ...... u can improve ur time later

[idle olive]

dudududu

[jagged vault]

#hk-meme

[supple loom]

Ahh I am in a bad position... Attempting for the first time 5h speedrun and I am in the black egg, just have THK left, but... I can't practice him in HoG :(, and i doubt i will be able to defeat him in 14min (this is how much time I have left till 5h). Maybe I could do it, but I came back to Hollow Knight after a year or two break so yee... Idk what to do

[wicked trench]

HoG THK's speed is different from normal THK's speed
so yeah, basically you'll find him slower
try to beat him and if you fail you can just try again with another run

[supple loom]

Ahh edit, THK is not in HoG

Can't*

[wicked trench]

I mean, if you need to learn his attacks PV is similar to him, just faster and with a couple of additional attacks
but yeah, just focus on not dying, and if things go bad you can do the run again

[supple loom]

I wow... i am saved acutally, I still have my main completed safe file and i can go practice THK there :)

[knotty vigil]

Gate

[heady swan]

pb= personal best (I think)
What does sob mean?

[fair island]

Sum of best

[idle patrol]

Hey, does the game count load times for the Speedrun achievements?

[wicked trench]

Probably

[thorny eagle]

I ended up using the depot downloader method for downloading the downpatch in the end. I just had to get the right dotnet and it was fine

I played around in 1221 for a bit

Failed most any% skips but I did shade skip at least lol

Once I've got debug mod and stuff installed on a separate thing I'll start training the skips properly

[brazen gazelle]

is there a reason other than text boxes are faster that the game is run on a different language than english?

[slim geyser]

?srpsa the in game timer is weird btw

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[idle patrol]

Is QoL allowed in competitive speed running

I’d assume not

[stuck raptor]

no mods are

[azure lark]

does live splits record time with loads or time without loads?

[stuck raptor]

yes

[azure lark]

yes to which one

[stuck raptor]

both

[azure lark]

oh

how do I know which one I used

[digital jewel]

did it pause on loading screens?

[azure lark]

No

[digital jewel]

then that was time with loads

[azure lark]

Got it

[digital jewel]

if you right click livesplit you should be able to set comparison to Game Time

[azure lark]

so how do I find it without loads

Oh its game time

Got it

I didnt know how much load times where wtf

It just cut off like 5 min

[digital jewel]

it doesn't seem like a lot, but it's between every single room

so it adds up

[azure lark]

Ok, sorry for so many questions this is my first speedrun im submitting. I didnt show the time without loads in my video what should I do about that?

[stuck raptor]

submit with RTA time

you can't submit with loadless time if it's not visible through the run

[azure lark]

Got it

[digital jewel]

your next submission will just be a really big improvement because of loadless

[azure lark]

Yeah

Thanks Guys! You where a big help.

[knotty vigil]

OMG GUYS I HAVE SPEEDRUNNED HK IN 1 HOUR

[digital jewel]

this isn't a meme channel

[knotty vigil]

Im serious

[digital jewel]

ok

maybe relax on the caps a bit then

grats on your speedrun

[wicked trench]

gg, that's a big milestone

[mystic drift]

Hello! Im planning on starting to learn pathing and try speedrun this game, does anybody know if I can put a speedrun timer with the different parts and everything on xbox?

[wicked trench]

yes, but don't know how to do that
I'd suggest to join the "new" speedrun server and ask in help
the link to join is the sr.com sidebar

[stuck raptor]

you cannot put the timer ON your xbox

you have to have it on a PC

[mystic drift]

Thats what I though
Thanks for telling me tho

[stuck raptor]

console runs are timed in real time

you just press the split button manually when you get to that point in console runs

[wicked trench]

yeah but don't they have to display livesplit? or I remeber bad

[stuck raptor]

not for console

if you don't have livesplit up during a console run, or any run for that matter, your run will be timed in real time by the mods

[wicked trench]

Ah, I though they needed to have that displayed
mb I guess

[mystic drift]

And do you mind telling me a bit more about how it works? Its the first game I feel like I know enouph to try and speedrun it so I dont know much about that world exept the basics of course

[stuck raptor]

about how what works

[mystic drift]

Imagine I do a competitive run, I guess i need to film the run, then where do I put it or who do I show it to, how does speedrun.com works in the basics

[stuck raptor]

you upload it to speedrun.com

and the mods will see it

and approve it

[digital jewel]

you make an account on speedrun.com and then you can submit your run

[stuck raptor]

but yes, you need a recording that complies with the rules on speedrun.com

many other FAQs and getting started questions can be found in the pinned messages here and in the SRC guides

[mystic drift]

Alright thanks for your time

[pearl sparrow]

First any% run in months wtf???

Bad early game but clutch late game

New pb

[cosmic mauve]

oMg hAcKer!!1!!

[pearl sparrow]

@cosmic mauve neo what's up

[west wasp]

So I started my first speedrun(in steel soul) and got cdash around 45 minutes in is that a decent time?

I have dream nail as well btw

[old obsidian]

sounds good!

[pearl sparrow]

C dash in 45 minutes is good

Especially for a first run wtf

Lots of potential

But you should probably start with just doing a non-steel soul run since those are easier overall and easier to do optimally

[west wasp]

Yeah

I still can't do spell skips

But I've learnt things from skurry and fire

[west wasp]

The reason I'm doing steel soul btw is so that I can sweep the steam achievements

[lapis meadow]

I just got speedrun 1 and 2

[jovial mountain]

congrats with your achievement, also

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[pearl sparrow]

Why does the timer for switch runs start at the cutscene? In game time starts when the knight loads in

It would make more sense to use in game right?

And the in game timer stops when you save and quit unlike how the runs timed on speedrun.com

[late flare]

Does the 1.2.2.1 patch not support controllers or am i doing something wrong?

Running on steam version followed the speedrun.com instructions plus looked at a few tutorials

[haughty fossil]

In game time is wildly inaccurate and so never used

insert screenshot of an 8s endscreen here

[pearl sparrow]

Sad

[haughty fossil]

doing it from difficulty select - > first black frame after THK is the most fair way we found to time runs on console

[pearl sparrow]

But why not stop the timer in save quits?

[haughty fossil]

if using switch Pro controller you will need to use a software layer (ie joytokey or similar) as switch Pro con was not supported on this patch

[haughty fossil]

because they're consistent on the same hardware? also adds additional work for verifiers

[pearl sparrow]

Makes sense

[haughty fossil]

also time spent menuing is still time spent in the speedrun: on pc the timer will run if you leave it running on a menu

it only removes load times to eliminate hardware inconsistencies as best it can

[lament fractal]

im also having problems with controller on 1.2.2.1

using ps4 controller through steam with a standard gamepad config

weirdly it works if i have the steam controller configurator up but the game minimized

i can hear the menu moving

but when i open up the game it stops working

[brazen gazelle]

any tips for current patch inventory drop? im really struggling getting it consistent

[white cypress]

Any tips for switching to using the dpad ? I love this game, did stuff like NKG radiant, path of pain, and stuff before deciding to try and speedrun, and after getting advice to switch to dpad for movement (which makes a lot of sense for more consistent inputs) but im just struggling with simple jumps in kings pass and false knight

it feels like a huge set back, but I'm curious if anyone else has made the switch after putting in a couple hundred hours in the game and being super used to using the joystick

[wicked trench]

practice and experience will make the job done
try to get some visual clues to set your drop down: for example in the gruzzy room I line myself up with a vertical stripe

[wicked trench]

I was playing with analog too before speedrunning the game
different runners use analog, so don't feel bad about not switching
I just took a month off and then started playing with dpad, felt weird but after several hrs felt normal

[white cypress]

Thanks!! I wasn't sure about switching, but after giving it a go and struggling with getting consistent fireball skips i thought about figuring out a way of making it work

Hearing that other players don't all use dpad makes me think I'll just fiddle around more :) my only goal is to one day get through an any% glitchless run hahaha

[lusty scroll]

i run with analog and i really dont think it makes any difference

if thats any help aha

[lusty scroll]

you never get it completely consistent, even top runners are inconsistent. its just a small something that saves a few seconds in a couple places if you get it, but don't fret if you don't. seriously, it's something you get better at just by trying over a long period of time.

[knotty vigil]

is inventory scream skipping a major glitch?

[weary root]

It is. Mostly because i believe it gives inventory storage which is broken in a whole host of different ways.

[knotty vigil]

idk if it gives cause im on cp and i think inventory storage doesnt work on it

[jagged vault]

It does

Inventory scream skips are major

[reef gorge]

I think i found a small time save

After the umuu fight we get the dreamer and platform our way back up

The platforming takes arnd 20s

What we could do instead is get the bench

[steady lynx]

The dreamer hardsaves you

[reef gorge]

Nvm then

[steady lynx]

If you try to savequit after it you'll just wake up next to the tank

[gleaming hinge]

I just completed my first speedrun on steelsoul (more like a play through with the intent of going fast) Took me 6H 7M

[exotic harness]

years playing minecraft so im used to it lol and me and my bro are using this daily so we are used to it

[brisk lagoon]

Guys what tab should I ask about speedrunning tricks

[steady lynx]

Probably here

[brisk lagoon]

Alright, do I need to use the spoiler feature or am I good to ask

[haughty fossil]

nah we don't need spoiler tags here

[brisk lagoon]

Alrighty

So I'm trying to get ismas tear without fighting dung defender, I've spike tunneled from the broken elevator and I've done the first acid skip, I'm now in the room where you get it but I need to do 1 more acid skip

I'm having trouble with this one because the wall has a little overhang and was wondering if you guys had any advice or videos that could help

[steady lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMYnCoUVCSo

[brisk lagoon]

Thank you very much for taking the time to do that

[haughty fossil]

there's also a pinned message in #all-skills describing both methods

[brisk lagoon]

Wow it's so organised

Thank you very much

Guys I did it

[idle patrol]

Hey, I’m trying to get into speedrunning, which skips or routes should I know? I’m able to consistently do sub 5 hour which isn’t good compared to competitive but that’s why I’m asking.

[late flare]

Anyone know any way to get controller support working for 1.2.2.1 downpatched? Cant seem to get my xbox controller to work with it

[haughty fossil]

there are route guides on speedrun.com, most people recommend either any% or all skills as good beginner categories

[haughty fossil]

xbox controller should work out of the box, is it 1st party or?

[late flare]

Its a steelseries stratus duo, steam recognizes it as an xbox controller and it works on the latest version

[haughty fossil]

strange, if steam doesn't think it's generic it should work

[digital jewel]

try this setup

[haughty fossil]

you may have to use something like x360ce to get the game to recognise it. just make sure now you have native controller support ingame turned off

[digital jewel]

for your controller settings

[late flare]

It seems like the game is recognising the controller but not accepting input from it

gives me the correct screen and prompt but the inputs do nothing

[digital jewel]

did you try the same settings that I showed?

they've worked for all the official and 3rd-party xbox controllers I've used

[late flare]

mod manager is open for my modded version of the latest so that shouldnt be affecting it

[haughty fossil]

yeah xero is suggesting you turn off xbox config support in steam

[digital jewel]

[late flare]

why does that work?

i am confused

[digital jewel]

I'm not sure. I think because it allows the game to natively interpret the controller inputs, without steam interferring

[late flare]

is steam trying to load the configurations over the in game support causing conflict or something

[digital jewel]

it seems to be only a problem for multiple installs

[haughty fossil]

something about hollow knight being a bad game with worse input handling

[late flare]

nah its steams fault not hollow knights

[solemn hemlock]

I don't know why, but this happened to me when I was just doing some test speedruns. The screen gets shaking, I got stuck t and I get hardlocked??? 1.2.2.1 is weird...

weird bug

[stuck raptor]

happens if you're not properly registered as grounded when interacting

usually if interacting on first frame on the ground after being in the air

typical strategy to mitigate this is to walk like 2 steps before interacting

[solemn hemlock]

ok thanks

[thorny eagle]

Tips for getting control of the character early when starting the game? Watching fire's video but I'm not really sure what cues I should be using to tell when to stop mashing A and start mashing pause

So I just get standard long fall and hard fall opening

[haughty fossil]

are you on current patch?

[thorny eagle]

1221

Also is there a way to remap inventory button on 1221? I could've sworn that was an option in cp

[haughty fossil]

not on controller, on keyboard yes

[thorny eagle]

Rip

[haughty fossil]

you should just be able to start mashing pause as soon as you've mashed through the first 3 cutscenes

[thorny eagle]

Aight I will try a few more times

Is that different on cp?

I want to run cp any% once I've got the hang of some 1221 skips

[hearty adder]

on cp you can't do the early control drop at the beginning

[thorny eagle]

Right

[hearty adder]

also on cp the game forces you to watch a tiny little bit of the first two cutscenes before you can skip them

[thorny eagle]

Rude haha

[haughty fossil]

(if you're still struggling, you can use the audio cue of the kp ambience starting to tell you when you can stop mashing through the cutscenes)

[thorny eagle]

Cheers!

I've only just set up with debug mod etc today, so haven't trained for any speedrun properly before

I tried some skips in unmodded games but they really are a pain to grind without savestates

/ infinite heals etc

[haughty fossil]

(i've never played for extended periods on 1221 because my pc sucks but why tf doesn't the pause button unpause actually who did this)

[thorny eagle]

Like the other day I planted myself in wastes and failed epogo for like an hour and a half solid, having to go off to heal occasionally

[haughty fossil]

yeah debug is a must for any level of running tbh

[thorny eagle]

So I've seen hehe

I learned shade skip without it but that one's like. Simples

Failed all my fireball skips though and had to get mosquito skip

And training fireball skip without debug soul refills is pain

Also weirdly I tried for baldur instakill and it just plain didn't happen. Didn't think there was much of a trick to it but I guess I'll have to watch the video

[haughty fossil]

you have to be in a semi-precise spot when you fireball to get it stuck on the baldur

[thorny eagle]

I've watched tons of speedruns so I know what they're supposed to look like....but it's rather different to do it yourself 😅

[thorny eagle]

Ok yeah that makes sense

I thought you just had to get it off screen and shoot

But I was trying all this without referring to videos or guides, just dicking around in 1221 basically

I got as far as watcher knights before conceding that I am shite at watcher knights and I don't want to train them without savestates

[potent solar]

yay .-

3:56

[dull haven]

I see some speedrunners slash at walls with their nails as they fall into downward transitions a lot (particularly fireb0rn). Is there any reason for this?

[formal bough]

why not

[dull haven]

That's what I figure, something to do with your hands, but maybe something something downward acceleration, yknow

[elfin vortex]

Well technically since nail slashes of walls do give slight knockback they would save miniscule amounts of time but imo thats certainly a tas only strat.

But yeah just fiddling for human runs

[short spire]

yeah using them to save time is a different situation

they don't do anything for vertical movement

[bronze spoke]

i have a cool idea for a speedrun room% visit all rooms in the game

[formal bough]

have fun doing the pantheon bindings

[dull haven]

Hm, so walls help with some tas strats (or isma's lmao), pogo is arguably the most important mechanic in hollow knight speedrunning, and yet Team Cherry starves us true believers in upslash movement smh

[formal bough]

and hunter's journal room

room% would basically be all acheivements but worse I think?

[short spire]

up slashes can be used to stop your upwards movement sooner than the lowest possible height jump allows

[dull haven]

Oh awesome hollow knight continues to be perfect

[dull haven]

Is there a separate binding lifeblood room for the 8th/12th bindings? 4 seems doable fast

Land of Storms though

[haughty fossil]

you need to do p5ab to get the weathered mask room

[formal bough]

Is it p5 every binding or every pantheon every binding?

[dull haven]

How about 'room% except you're on 1.2.2.1 and we don't do the journal'%

Or just OOB into the hunter room

[unkempt mist]

I just made a new record of 112% APB

GG

[formal bough]

nice personal best!

that time is quite impressive, plan on recording and submitting runs?

[unkempt mist]

maybe the next run

[elfin vortex]

Make sure to not have mods installed if your planning on submitting lol (even mods that only change how the knight looks) also great time!

[unkempt mist]

ok ok

[bronze spoke]

whould it be worse? and also it could be categorized as a specific type of room like bench,stag, dream, grub ext

or all room greenpath or city of tears ext

could be sub categories so you can do it with spesific items to move like charms dash spells and equipping them

[elfin vortex]

I mean imo it would be a good idea for you to try do a run of the cat idea (doesnt have to be good, routed or even a full run) and if it feels like a good cat to run then yeah you could try get others involved. Ngl tho making a whole cat with subcats for it sounds abit much

[bronze spoke]

mby just in case somone wanna do it ItemLess or somthing

or with all items

throwing idea at wall and see if stick

[elfin vortex]

Yeah I get that. Just not sure if community members (except skurry lol) would run a room% cat

[bronze spoke]

yeah hes a lawnmower

[digital jewel]

they

[idle meadow]

It is time I learn to speedrun this game finally

[bronze spoke]

fireborn has a series on it its slightly outdated but very good

[idle meadow]

Probably gonna learn all skills first and then learn any% once I'm comfortable with it

Yeah I'm planning on using that tutorial for any%

[shut beacon]

Pisces has a tutorial for all skills.... Its quite good

[elfin vortex]

Mhm. Covers lots well https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N

[idle meadow]

Yeah that's also what I'm using lol

Thanks for the help anyways though

[shut beacon]

All skills is probably a better place to start .... Any% is hardddd lol

[idle meadow]

Yeah lol I'm scared of starting with any%

[shut beacon]

I think I'm just bad tho haha

[elfin vortex]

Ah cool. Well good luck on your speedruns! Also theres a new speedrunning specific server you can join

[shut beacon]

Yeaa I started with any% cos I didn't know about all skills being easier ..... I had to grind wk for soo long

[idle meadow]

Oh that's neat I didn't know there was a discord specifically for speedrunning

[shut beacon]

Yea its really new

[jagged vault]

you can find it linked on speedrun.com/hollowknight

[idle meadow]

Alright I'll check it out

Thanks

[strong vessel]

Don't sideslashes actually slow your fall slightly, or does that not happen when going though a transition

[gusty quartz]

What controller is used? Xbox?

[digital jewel]

I don't understand the question

different people use different ones

[elfin vortex]

personal preferrence. You can play hk with whatever input method u like

[gusty quartz]

Ah ok, thank you

One more thing, I tried to connect my controller but it would only register keyboard inputs. How do I fix that?

[elfin vortex]

Which patch?

[gusty quartz]

1.2.2.1

[elfin vortex]

Pretty sure 1221 doesnt have controller support so you'll have to bind controller inputs to keyboard keys using something like joy2key

[digital jewel]

what controller do you use?

[gusty quartz]

Switch

[elfin vortex]

1221 defo doesnt support switch controllers. Use joy2key or something like that. Joy2key lets you assign controller inputs to a keyboard button.

[gusty quartz]

Got it

[thorny eagle]

Been training early any% for the last couple hours

I spent about an hour on aspid arena and have got double spike kill four times now

But it's really inconsistent

I think I keep jumping too early

More practice I suppose 😅

[unkempt lagoon]

@thorny eagle The way that makes it the most consistent for me is if you jump the moment you see the aspids still coming into the arena (when they're sort of invisible still) giving the aspids no time to move.
Hopefully this helps a little and good luck on the trick!

[thorny eagle]

Actually I've been finding jumping the instant they spawn is worse?? Like if I wait a split second for them to resolve slightly more I seem to hit them much more reliably

I'm doing the jump from the higher platform down method instead of lower one up

With the lower platform I get one aspid more reliably but I've never hit both

With the upper method I've got both on four occasions but it's much more inconsistent in general

[elfin vortex]

Are you on 1221? If so then yeah double wasp kill is annoying but keep practising it dw. You'll eventually get the hang of it!

[idle patrol]

Hey, how good is a 3hr 39min run?

[elfin vortex]

Depends on the category

[idle patrol]

I don’t do official just yet, but I’m just doing any%

With QoL

[elfin vortex]

well done for finishing a run in that case! Any% bosses can be hard and ofc theres lots of room for improvement but im sure that you can lower that time significantly with another run!

[idle patrol]

Thanks! I’ve just been doing run after run, usually ending at around 5 hours, so this was a big time save for me. Also, I’ve been trying to figure out if QoL is allowed in official runs. I’d assume not, but I’d like to check. Thanks for the encouragement!

[short spire]

huh? if this is a mechanic i was not aware of it, can you elaborate?

[elfin vortex]

No mods are allowed for submitted runs so yeah verify the game (gets rid of mods/modding api) once your ready for a vanilla run. Have you checked out fireb0rns any% video guide?

[strong vessel]

If you put quick slash on and jump once, then do it again while slashing at a wall the whole time, the second one is noticeably longer

[knotty vigil]

[strong vessel]

I don't know if it actually slows your downwards momentum or just causes freeze frames or something

But slashing a non-clanking wall doesn't that do that, right?

[short spire]

id like to see a video of that, sounds interesting to investigate

[strong vessel]

Sure, I can record one right now

[idle patrol]

I was actually going to practice Watcher Knights w/o Shade Cloak, but I’ll put it on in the background presuming it’s on his channel

[short spire]

wall slashes shouldn't cause freeze frames

[elfin vortex]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH it has a TON of useful stuff so I recommend watching it, practising some of the stuff in it using debug mod, then having a go at a full run

It has chapters so you can skip to the things you want to watch

[idle patrol]

Do I need to watch it, can can I just listen

[elfin vortex]

I mean either works

[idle patrol]

Ok, thanks!

Have a great day!

[thorny eagle]

I'm working through the fireborn any% video guide

Slowly, to make sure to practice everything a lot

Luckily I'm the kind of person who enjoys doing the exact same thing over and over again for hours lol

I find it very entrancing

My tendons are less of a fan, so I'll have to be moderate in how much I practice

[elfin vortex]

Lmao. As a PoP runner who resets 90% of runs in room 1 I can relate lol

[strong vessel]

I'm testing it now and it doesn't actually seem to happen

Maybe it's just placebo

I swear I timed it to be slower before though

[elfin vortex]

Imo it may be a good idea to, once you've practised everything in one video, to go and do the entire area covered in the vid trying to use all strats

[thorny eagle]

Yeah I absolutely agree

Helps reinforce it in the memory

• get practice doing it all together

Rather than just room by room

Honestly in terms of operative learning this reminds me a lot of learning a piano piece by heart. You can concentrate on individual bars to memorise them and then work on playing more and more from the beginning. And there'll always be mistakes somewhere lmao

[short spire]

hmm thats weird ice, might just have been something messed up with your game that time you tested it

[elfin vortex]

Mood lol. Theres so many timesaves and strats that you can implement into your run and it feels great when you pull it off

[thorny eagle]

It was so satisfying the first time I got the double spike kill hahaha

I'm like, mega early run yet, but that's ok

It's only my first day of speedrun training

[elfin vortex]

Mhm. Early game gets tons of practise just from doing runs so its fine. Make sure not to burn yourself out on speedrunning cuz it can turn from fun to dreadful real quick so feel free to take breaks

[thorny eagle]

😅 I work in terms of hyperfocus lol, I'll be really into hollow knight again for a couple weeks and then not touch it for months

That's how it usually goes

My last hollow knight period was in march

I got one of my friends playing it recently so now I'm back in

I dicked around the any% route on unmodded 1221 yesterday and got to watcher knights before I was like 'yeah nah I ain't practicing this without savestates'

[elfin vortex]

Lmao. Yeah wk are assholes in any%. Savestates are so useful

[thorny eagle]

Wk are going to be my primary roadblock I think. I've always had problems with them

For my speedrun achievements I went through KE and AB just so I'd be able to get shade cloak for them

But for any% I just need to git gud

[elfin vortex]

I would recommend you do the shade soul route if you dont like fighting wk underequipped. Theres a guide for it on src (I think)

[thorny eagle]

I think in general I'd prefer to git gud?

Like I mean I'm no stranger to farming bosses for days on end

I went into Pure Vessel for the first time with a really bad set of reflexes for example and basically had to completely retrain myself to be able to beat it, that took about ten times longer to get consistent than NKG ever did

In general I don't tend to get frustrated with boss grinding unless it's some sort of RNG based Bastard like godhome uumuu

[elfin vortex]

Ah understandable. Well good luck on learning them lol. Can be really wierd getting used to them

[thorny eagle]

Yeah it's going to be a nightmare

I've historically been terrible at all bosses in the game that involve 1+ spinning dickheads

Oro and Mato, God tamer, and especially Watcher Knights

I'm just shite at those

But I'll get better

I've got about 200 vanilla hours in the game pre starting speedrun training

It'll be funny to see what the total becomes

[lusty scroll]

get ready, it skyrockets once you start running consistently

[thorny eagle]

Hahahaha I can imagine

So I just practiced up to vengeful spirit today

I did an experimental run of the split before bed and game time says five minutes

I haven't set up livesplit yet

And game language is still English

I figure I'm still just practicing casually for now

My main time loss in that one was a bad aspid arena. Failed to get even one of them with the spike

So yeah that was 3.5 hours training today for five minutes of run 😂 that's how it goes I suppose

It was fun

[mystic drift]

Hey so im gonna try my first run casualy and I wont record it or anything but i still want to know aproximatly how much time im doing, i wanted to know, at the end of the game it shows us the time but does it count the loadings?

[strong vessel]

In-game time includes loads but is inaccurate

[mystic drift]

Thanks

[knotty vigil]

just a quick question, im aware that theres this mod that brings back those minor glitches from the previous patches, is it allowed in official speedruns?
just asking since i dont really like the idea of downpatching

[graceful sorrel]

just wondering, ive kinda installed everything at this point, and wanted to know is it normal that my regular hollow knight save (ie current patch) should show up in a menu for a downpatched version?

i assume it is as they share the same saves folder

[normal aspen]

Yeah

[graceful sorrel]

okay cool

i have a backup of it anyway so would i be all good to just delete it and then if i wanted to play it again on the current patch i could just paste it back into my save folder?

[normal aspen]

Yea

[weary root]

No mods are allowed for speedruns, even having the moddingAPI installed makes the game perform better.

[knotty vigil]

Ah i see

Damn i guess i have to downpatch

[normal aspen]

You can just run current patch

It has its own board

[knotty vigil]

ah, i have to play on current patch because i play on console

[grim vector]

Update: i now get Mantis pogo about 1/3 times lol

Thats better than before

[bleak shadow]

Update: WK is making me want to stop playing

[slim geyser]

improvement is great

it only gets better i promise

[slim geyser]

have you tried grabbing nail 1?

[grim vector]

Thank you! I practice a little every day

[grim vector]

Now I just need to get acid skip like... at all

I fail it about 9/10 times

[weary root]

Deepnest route is a good alternative, especially while learning. Allows you to get runs in without constant time loss/resets to QGA

Only loses about 40 seconds - there are multiple people with 35:xx times that do deepnest route

[grim vector]

Hmm I'll look into it I guess

Or... i could jump into acid for like a few more hours

Fun times

I don't wanna do alternatives because it'd feel like I gave up

[slim geyser]

It's up to you but, there is really no shame in saving something for later

If you decide on starting out with the alt rout, there will be nothing stopping you from learning QGA later when you're more familiar with any% overall

[lusty scroll]

good news, comsob now only loses 15 seconds to the route!

i run it mainly because thk is super fun and different with spore

also 3rd place run uses the route its very competitive

[prime python]

Hey guys, I have an issue with my livesplit. Basically I can't get it to show on top of my game, I do have 2 monitors, but I don't know how I'll be able to show the timer on screen when submitting the runs. Hope you can help me with that, and if it wasn't too confusing.

[prime python]

or should I post this in the help channel? Im gonna do it

[lusty scroll]

uh yeah

unfortunately livesplit doesnt go over fullscreen hk

however when recording, you can use:
-game capture hollow knight
-window capture livesplit
-place livesplit on top of hk with an opacity filter to make it transparent

[dull haven]

Did you start with the map in early hollow knight patches? NMMS seems to use it immediately out of kp

[normal aspen]

Yea

[digital jewel]

You used to start with a map of kp and dirtmouth

it was removed in 1.1.1.4 I think

probably they just felt like cornifer's map tutorial should be the first time maps become accessible

[dull haven]

it makes sense from a design perspective - you want the player to have to explore each area blind for a bit

[thorny eagle]

When doing the key mashing at the start of the game to get control early I sometimes end up with a weird on screen keyboard that I've never seen before and it's confusing me

Does anyone know what that's about?

It seems to have a steam vibe in colour and design

So maybe it's some sort of steam overlay feature I'm accidentally activating

[dull haven]

Yeah, it sounds like it. Are you accidentally opening the overlay via the power button on your controller or something?

[thorny eagle]

.....possibly?? I'm not discounting the possibility of pressing weird crap because I am not graceful at the various mashes of X or pause or inventory of the start of game yet

My controller doesn't really have a power button though

Just an activate button

But pressing it doesn't generally do anything if it's already awake

[dull haven]

What sort of controller is it?

Also, do you mean this keyboard?

[thorny eagle]

Yes it's exactly that

[dull haven]

((I should clarify I won't know if this is hollow knight specific but I do know stuff about big picture mode))

[thorny eagle]

This thing is the best controller I've ever owned tbh. I used to go through like two a year but this one is just immortal I swear

[dull haven]

I think this is what you're seeing

[thorny eagle]

Yeah it shows up either on top of hollow knight or on my monitor 2

It usually goes away quickly when I start pressing buttons so isn't a huge problem, but I'll want it to not happen when I do real runs lol

[dull haven]

So I think you're pulling up the big picture overlay, then going down to "open keyboard" and pressing that accidentally

[thorny eagle]

So i guess I'd best mess around in steam options

[thorny eagle]

Seems very plausible thank you

[dull haven]

What I'd do is go into controller configuration and unbind the middle 'on' key from overlay, or whatever the bound key for you is

Oh, it looks like you can't unbind that. May just need to disable the overlay if nothing else works

[thorny eagle]

I don't use the overlay for anything so I don't think that's a problem

I don't even really know what it's for lol

[dull haven]

I use it to rebind keys while in-game when I'm first playing a game, but it's otherwise (imo) a useless social feature

[thorny eagle]

Yeah I'll just disable it entirely then

[dull haven]

Probably more useful if you don't actually have a keyboard plugged in lmao

[thorny eagle]

Hahaha

I've got a separate piece of software to use my controller for computer navigation

And the built in windows on screen keyboard is pinned to taskbar

Useful for when I'm using my pc in bed but keyboard and mouse works just fine the rest of the time

Anyway speedrun question:

Is it normal to get falls which make the hard fall sound but you're able to move immediately as if it were a soft fall?

I'm a big noob to speedrunning so it makes me uncertain if I'm actually getting the soft falls or not

(1221)

[dull haven]

Based on what I remember of vods (having never speedrun hollow knight) yes that happens sometimes (hopefully a Real Speedrunner can confirm)

[digital jewel]

do you mean if you fall onto a corner?

[leaden python]

probably ledge cancel yeah

[thorny eagle]

Er, not sure, there's a few places it happens

E.g. mini menu drop after king's pass, cornifer room

Makes hard fall sound but can move instantly

I've also had it in the king's pass floor collapse

[leaden python]

menu drops cancel hardfall animation, yeah

[thorny eagle]

Two of those aren't menu drops though

[leaden python]

you can also cancel hardfall animation if you land on the very corner of the ledge while still moving

like this
https://youtu.be/Zg4pw7cTjBw?t=1

[thorny eagle]

I see

It's possible I'm doing that then, since the two non menu drops of those I mentioned both have ledges in proximity

[hollow prairie]

are player skins allowed for any%nmg

[jagged vault]

no. no mods or the modding api itself are allowed

this is stated in the game rules on speedrun.com

[knotty vigil]

Which patch should I run All Skill on I'm new to Hk speedrunning so I can't really decide which patch is better

[haughty fossil]

1221 and cp are both valid to run on, but current patch performs significantly better while being slower overall

there are separate leaderboards for this reason, since many people have PCs that can run the game fine on current patch but absolutely cannot on 1221

keep in mind though that for all skills the route between 1221 and cp is significantly different

[knotty vigil]

Thanks for the help

I'll try both

[leaden python]

also, CP boards are not super optimized, so you will have easier time to reach top spots than on 1221, if it's something you care about

[gloomy summit]

Hi guys, I wanna get into nmg any% on ps4 and was wondering if I need to split in a certain way, or if finished runs will just use igt. I read fireborns guide for livesplit but I think this doesn't apply to console so I just need to split manually right?

[digital jewel]

the timer starts when you select the game mode, and ends on the black screen after absorbing the infection

any splits in the middle are just preference

[gloomy summit]

thanks a lot!

[haughty fossil]

(emphasis on not using IGT even on console, since IGT is extremely broken we always use RTA on consoles)

[gloomy summit]

alright thanks. Guess I'll watch a few vods so I can see when people split at the start and end

[haughty fossil]

in any case, we also retime console runs that don't have a visible timer or that start at the wrong time, but time starts when you press A for difficulty select & ends on the first fully black frame after absorbing the infection from THK (or after killing radiance/absrad)

[gloomy summit]

thanks for the detailed answer, very kind!

[knotty vigil]

can someone please teach me how to set up splits?

[rancid cloak]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

[hollow prairie]

watch smallant1 / fireborns video on setting up livesplit

[unreal remnant]

Can anyone here recommend a wired PC controller with micro-switches in the D-pad. My series x controller was fine using bluetooth until I decided to try running Hollow Knight seriously.

[lusty scroll]

does the controller not have wired functionality?

[haughty fossil]

the series controller works great over wired with just a USB-C cable

[lilac tendon]

Is vk quick kill still possible on current patch for console?

[jagged vault]

Yes

[timber blaze]

how to get blue role impossible challenge

[sharp socket]

I started speedrunning hollow knight in any% some days again, I did like 4 try and I did 1h 25min and 08 secs to my last one \o/

Am happy

[elfin vortex]

Well done!

Just thought I'd let you know but if your interested in joining a hk speedrunning specific server you can find the link for it on src

[sharp socket]

Oh yeah with pleasure! Where did you say I could find the link?

[unkempt lagoon]

that would be speedrun dot com

[haughty fossil]

https://speedrun.com/hollowknight

[sharp socket]

Oooh dumb me, thanks y'all!

[idle patrol]

Hey, on a scale of one to ten, how hard is Shade Skip?

Compared to other skips

[stuck raptor]

2-3

[idle patrol]

Oh

Ok

[stuck raptor]

clawless shade skip a bit harder

like 4-5

[steady lynx]

Compared to some skips it's really just like basic movement

[stuck raptor]

^

[stoic karma]

So, I was playing HK in a New account and i've beaten the first Phase of the Soulmaster and i stood next to him waiting for the second Phase. Then i swinged my nail (probably into the dive) and the soulmaster immidiently entered second Phase without the animation, while the ground just broke. I dont know how i pulled that of and i dont have any footage, but it could save about 3 to 4 seconds at 100% speedrun

I hope this is helpfull

[short spire]

if you've already beaten the first phase on the file but died to the 2nd phase then the animation is shorter. you sure it wasn't just that?

[stoic karma]

No

I didnt died before

[wicked trench]

so you hit him while he was doing the dive from phase 1 to phase 2? and he just teleported to the bottom part and started diving on you?
were you playing with any mods?

[stoic karma]

I dont play with any mods

[wicked trench]

so you didn't collect the fake ability? you swinged the fake ability?

with swing I mean "nail hit"

[stoic karma]

Yes, but while i was standing to him

And jumping

[wicked trench]

with "him" you are referring to the boss right? am I mistaking or he isn't there when the fake ability is on screen?

[stoic karma]

Wait a minute

The screen turns white while he dies at the last Moment, and in this Moment the item spawns too

[wicked trench]

yeah

[stoic karma]

So maybye the game thougt that i collected the item and damaged the boss so the second Phase must be active

[wicked trench]

I don't know how the code works but I think the boss doesn't have a hitbox when he teleports in the screen flashing
anyway, imma try that in the evening :D

[stoic karma]

Maybe when you pick up the item he becomes the hitbox back

[timber blaze]

what's the fastest 112% time from all the gold? does anyone know?

[solemn hemlock]

Ok i have a little problem with the game timer in livesplit. It's weird. Yesterday it worked just fine, started when game started but now only the real time timer starts when the game starts. I didn't do too much except removed all the splits. Auto splitter is on. In compare against the Game time is selected. Help. Me.

[digital jewel]

you removed all your splits?

[solemn hemlock]

Yeah

[digital jewel]

did you also remove the autosplit triggers?

[solemn hemlock]

I think yes

But im not sure

Because im on phone right now so i cant check lol

[digital jewel]

you need at least one autosplit trigger for the game time to work

[solemn hemlock]

Ok thanks I will try it soon

[solemn hemlock]

Is dream nail in 22 minutes (shade skip to the blue lake) good?

[mossy sapphire]

dude i almost got the sub 3

[old obsidian]

great time!

[mossy sapphire]

and i noticed that
-i didnt recorded
-i was using qol so the cycles were better

[grim vector]

I made a few dumb mistakes and now I have trouble getting my downpatch back to working...

I followed Xero's guide again but this time it just refuses to work somehow and I don't know why

[grim vector]

I'll just try again. Sorry.

[median gull]

Is that good for you? if so, yeah

[grim vector]

Nvm... help please...

I tried everything by now

I don't know what has changed but it just refuses to work

[stuck raptor]

start off with screenshots and descriptions of what you've done

so people have something to go off of to help you

[grim vector]

I'm gonna deinstall and reinstall everything and just start all over I guess

Well not sure where to start. I am in the process of downpatching the steam version. I redownloaded the downpatch client, opened it, entered the download command in the console, waited till it's done, opened the depot, moved the files to a new folder, followed the instructions on how to add the necessary txt file and started up the game

And it just booted up the latest patched version

[stuck raptor]

screenshot some stuffs

[grim vector]

Like what

[stuck raptor]

sounds like you just did the txt file wrong

like your game files you downloaded

the parent folder of it, the managed folder. show what the last asset file in managed is. (should be 391 iirc)

and then make sure the exe you've added to steam is the right one, if you even did that step.

you also have to bring over the exe that was downloaded from the depot. you cannot copy an existing current patch exe from somewhere else

[grim vector]

I did, but the guide also said thats optional

I did

I'll show off the manged files because that looks all wrong to me

[stuck raptor]

and show the folder that has your exe

and show what's inside the appid txt file

[stuck raptor]

that's all that you have in managed?

[grim vector]

Yes

[stuck raptor]

do you have file extensions visible?

also, that's nowhere near enough in managed

you are missing many many files

[grim vector]

I was thinking it was looking a bit empty

Give me a sec here I ran the download command again and it just got done

Yeah it's the same as the one I just showed you

[cloud monolith]

Hello, as I saw that this was from speedruns I wanted to ask if you could help me with mine of less than 5 hours.

[digital jewel]

do you have file extensions visible?

[grim vector]

What does that mean. What extensions

[digital jewel]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[stuck raptor]

you have .dll showing on all these, but .exe isn't showing on your game exe

[grim vector]

How come tho

[grim vector]

Didn't change anything

[stuck raptor]

so you don't have an exe after your game now?

this should look different

[grim vector]

Ohhh

Yeah sorry

[stuck raptor]

does it look like this now?

[grim vector]

Yes

[stuck raptor]

so you've misnamed your appid file

you named it (steam_appid.txt).txt

instead of (steam_appid).txt

[grim vector]

omfg

[grim vector]

Yepp you're 100% correct

Issue fixed

[digital jewel]

I think you must have skimmed over the part in bold here

[grim vector]

I am just not a smart man

[stuck raptor]

your doctorate has been revoked

you are now just pepper

[grim vector]

:(

I deserve it I guess

[stuck raptor]

lol

[grim vector]

Thanks guys

[junior plaza]

Hey so im trying to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 and it didnt work, it finished, made the exe, and loaded up current patch. in the cmd window it had a couple issues like this:

any ideas?

[stuck raptor]

<@&283547423706447872>

[south herald]

Thanks for the ping

[elfin vortex]

Well done! You can 100% get a 2:x if you've come close already. Best thing that helps break the 3m barrier imo is focusing on getting it hitless and playing safe cuz dying to attempting strats/risky play loses lots of time

[junior plaza]

nvm i figured it out

[lusty scroll]

can i get the speedrun role just so i can access the other chats, theres a juicy cp uumuu discussion occurring 👀

[stuck raptor]

No. You need a verified run. All chats are readable until you have the role. Most speedrunners have left to another server anyways, which can be found on speedrun.com

[snow dome]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zxg76xgy

^^^
Beatami's run

[lusty scroll]

oh yeah sorry i forgot to link it

oh yo my newest one got verified too

though cba submitting my 42:55 lmao

[unreal remnant]

@lusty scroll & @haughty fossil Tried 2 cables and it didn't work but after your answers I got a new one and its working now via usb, thanks for the response.

[signal meadow]

Finally did the right timing for switch and pbed! (i wasn't timing the cutscenes at the start.)

[dark nebula]

OK i got my sunflower seeds for stress and a can do attitude LETS SPEEDRUN!!!!!

[stoic karma]

Is there a category in speedruning, where you can save and quit?

[snow dome]

All

It's a key time save strategy in almost every category

[stoic karma]

Really, I never saw it

[snow dome]

It is used like 7m into the run in the main category, then again about 3m later

Speedrun.com

[stoic karma]

So it might save time sit on the bench at the stagstation in crossroads and then save quit imidiently after you collected the mantis claw, so you can do the shade skip faster

[steady lynx]

You get a hardsave on the mound bench after VS so we just sq there from dash and again from claw

Surprised you know of shade skip but not savequit strats

[stoic karma]

Yeah, i watched a speedrun again and saw 2 savequits in a row

[stoic karma]

Oh ok

[knotty vigil]

at what patch did they patch superslides?

[leaden python]

they've patched it in lifeblood, so 1.3

[solemn hemlock]

to have the speedrunner role you need to have a verified run on the normal hollow knight categories or you can on extensions??? also can you have a speedrun verified on level leaderboard of the normal hollow knight? btw sorry for my english im from poland lol

[snow dome]

Anywhere on the board

[solemn hemlock]

ok

[muted river]

just spedrun the radiance boss in 3 minutes, it isnt a lot but im proud of it

[exotic harness]

you should be proud of whatever you do even if it is a small thing

[muted river]

thanks

[rare plover]

hey so I just got into speedrunning and rn livesplit is just too much for me. I saw that you can load splits by file so can anybody share their split file. idk if it matters but i'm planning to play on 1.4.3.2 any% nmg

[median plume]

that are the splits i use

[rare plover]

thank you

[solemn hemlock]

Oh cool I’ll try it out later but can you send the layout file too because I don’t like making all of this layout setup

Pls

[balmy flame]

Is there a way to skip or cheez the watcher knights?

[tender plaza]

Nope

[balmy flame]

Fuck

[tender plaza]

You can kill one of them before the fight and that's it

[balmy flame]

Better than nothing

[lost fox]

You can cheese it through spamming d dark and getting double hits with vengeful spirit

[tender plaza]

Oh, yeah. Forgot about that
My bad

[haughty fossil]

if this is for the speedrun achievement, ddark + shaman make wk trivial, just don't upgrade above nail2 or they will get more health. more or less just ddark each one 3 times and they die kind of deal.

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[dull haven]

Are the criteria for room duplications well known? Can it be done with any vertical load? (on, say, 1.0.2.8)

[keen dew]

Damn getting your run rejected sucks lmfao

[tender plaza]

What is a easy way to start speed running?
With a boss or a trial?

[short spire]

check out the pins in this channel for a ton of learning resources

[tender plaza]

Isn't Any% NMG extremely hard?

Like, you have to learn an entire route and do it ASAP

[short spire]

watcher knights have a tough learning curve but anyone can learn it, and there are ways to make it a bit easier with training wheels like getting nail1

its okay if you need to follow a guide to remember the route on your first few runs

[tender plaza]

The map alone makes head spins

Will i need to learn skips too? Like that Hornet Fireball skip?

[short spire]

you'll probably want to yeah

not all are necessary though

[tender plaza]

Not all? How many are there?

I only know Queen's Station and Hornet Skip

And that Watcher Knight prop skip

[short spire]

a good bunch

you might wanna check a guide or something if you want more indepth info

[tender plaza]

Also, one more thing

Is there any significant differences between using the joystick or the + buttons?

[short spire]

technically no but a lot of people prefer the dpad since the game doesn't require analog inputs for anything

but you can use either

[tender plaza]

Aight, thanks for the advice

[haughty fossil]

joystick easier for my idiot brain

[tender plaza]

Same

[patent needle]

yeah, you can room dupe anywhere you can gain control during a load

from either a hazard respawn that puts you next to a load or a vertical load where the floor is close enough

[near sequoia]

when setting up your splits for the first time what do you put for the auto tracking of enraged guardian norm?

[pliant lagoon]

If my run ends with timer like this, will it be accepted?

[unkempt lagoon]

I'm not sure but I think you don't even need splits and only the ig time

[digital jewel]

Yes it will

[pliant lagoon]

thx for letting me know 😉

[dull haven]

Am I right in thinking that current 4 mask shards all glitches strats don't use main menu storage? Do the duplicated mask shards count towards completion?

[hearty adder]

Nope, current 4ms all glitches doesn't use main menu storage. No idea on the completion though

[dull haven]

Cool, thank you!

[marsh lichen]

Speedrun tip: just play the game faster

[haughty fossil]

thanks ill try that next time

[dull haven]

i played it too fast and time dilated my cpu. now all my inputs are delayed by 1/c^2 seconds

[glacial lion]

Question: Is there a way to fireball skip from Crossroads to Wastes?

[unkempt lagoon]

No, but you can from queen's station to fungal wastes

[glacial lion]

Thanks

[acoustic badge]

Can we maybe have a ng+ category were we lile start with everything and that we have different places you need to go to

[elfin vortex]

Ngl I have thought of that kind of a cat before. Not sure if it would be interesting though

[snow dome]

It was a thing for a very brief moment. I ran it myself.

[jagged vault]

there are the current patch all glitches categories

godhome MMS is essentially NG+

[snow dome]

If anybody can search for a save file uploaded by Emray then you'll have what you need to run it, but since she left I can't search for her posts via my app. 🙃

I kind of enjoyed it. It was incredibly short, and kind of easy.

You started with everything

[steady lynx]

Despite the OP level of Godhome mms it's completely useless for Godhome Ending

[minor forge]

Hey guys, i wanna get into speedrunning HK. Right now i am at the point where i have to downpatch my game (i am using the guide on speedrun.com). But everytime i enter the command in the steam console it does not download the 1.2.2.1 version, it just says :"Depot download failed : Manifest not available"

Does anyone have a clue how to fix this?

[haughty fossil]

did you run the steam patcher

[minor forge]

Yes i have done that

[unkempt lagoon]

you have to use this method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44HBxzC_RTg

[haughty fossil]

no the steam patching method works too

[unkempt lagoon]

oh

[haughty fossil]

what appears in the cmd window that pops up when you run the steam patcher

should end in Wrote patch to memory. Press ENTER to close.

[minor forge]

yes it ends like this

[haughty fossil]

can you try putting
download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944 in the steam console?

[minor forge]

i already did that quite a few times and i had this error i sent you, but now i tried it for the 10th time and now it works wtf 😄

[haughty fossil]

the team cherry charm

[minor forge]

That might be it ^^

[potent solar]

DX uh

[granite anvil]

I came up with a meme run a while ago that I've been calling Ascend% where you defeat Gorb as quickly as possible (but you must talk to Elderbug at some point and you must have Wayward Compass equipped when you kill Gorb because we all know that's essential for true ascension). If anyone wants to try beat my (not phenomenal) record of 18:18 IGT (20:34 RTA) that would be pretty cool. (and maybe if people like the run enough it would be awesome to have this be a real category... 👀) Also I should mention this was on current patch.

[lethal kite]

is kingpass to mothwing same as any% for all skills?

[hearty adder]

All Skills gets Moss Knights + geo rocks instead of Vengefly King

you'd be getting geo from the two baldurs + obligatory moss knight + both moss knights (with their respective geo rocks) in the room before Hornet

[lethal kite]

ty

[dull haven]

That sounds as though it could be interesting, sorta in the same vein as great hopper? my gut says dashless clawless blue lake for early nail, though i think getting up to cliffs needs claw (for nmg), so it may just have to be vs → dash → claw → nail → ascend

[granite anvil]

That's what I've been doing yes

I don't think dashless would be faster but maybe I'm wrong

[dull haven]

yeah i think with dash would be how you do it. i must have had my nmms brain on, which would go claw → nail → ascend for the 0 equipment gorb fight

[hearty adder]

If you're interested in extended ghost murder, may I suggest Ghostbusters%

[dull haven]

Is there a big spreadsheet of 'not popular enough for a leaderboard' runs somewhere?

[normal aspen]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSJ1v4QTheoTAZJd0xob-MVYZjOiAl3FWm8HXRk6I2apDpR_UH5fkJwA4xd6Ayo9IKaPZcDhRkjwC3y/pubhtml#

[dull haven]

Woah

[hearty adder]

The meme spreadsheet is the meme speedrunner's bread and butter

though nowadays the hk speedrunning community has moved on to its own server (that isn't role-restricted for activity), linked in src

that's where all the meme cat fun is going down (and all other ~ serious ~ kinds of fun too)

[dull haven]

Oh cool! I thought there oughta be more info out there than i could find - seemed as though there was lots of secret information

Though i should at least push some crappy any% to the boards before i really knuckle down and ruin my hollow knight experience

[hearty adder]

Honestly it's really up to you, you can start out with whatever you want

[formal bough]

yeah we use telepathic powers to confuse people and only say somethings in chats, anybody not inducted in the speedrunning cabal will require a a heaping bowl of spaghetti to be sacrificed to an altar to cherries to get in

[granite anvil]

I wanted to run any% but don't want to grind watcher knights and qga so that's kinda where ascend% came from

Also Gorb is best

[dull haven]

team cherry or just any old cherries i have lying around?

[formal bough]

🫂 🍒altar please

[hearty adder]

dreamers are boring, that's why there's so many categories that don't do dreamer at all

[granite anvil]

I'm debating whether to try improve my ascend% record or try something else out

[strong vessel]

Ascend% might be fun; probably just claw -> dream nail -> cliffs -> Gorb

My guess is around 15—16 minutes optimally?

[granite anvil]

Make sure you get wayward compass and talk to elderbug

It's a memerun after all

[hearty adder]

It seems we have different concepts of meme runs

Might as well crank out a run now

[strong vessel]

Even meme runs don't do that

Elderbug% is, like, the only category that talks to Elderbug, period

[granite anvil]

I know. But how can you truly ascend without talking to elderbug and having wayward compass on

[strong vessel]

1XX cats get compass I guess lol

[granite anvil]

Makes it interesting

I mean if people hate it then whatever

I just thought it was funny

[strong vessel]

I like the idea, I just think that it would be better without the compass and elderbug stuff

[hearty adder]

I don't think it's hate, it's just more that it's not really something that you need really. Of course you can just keep doing it though, don't let your memes be dreams

[strong vessel]

Idk, I might run it

Yes, of course, you can make whatever category you want

[granite anvil]

That's why I added talking to elderbug. It takes like 5 seconds on the way out to Gorb

[strong vessel]

That's the thing: If you've run it, it counts as a real meme category

[granite anvil]

You also usually have 220 geo by the point you get back to dirtmouth anyway so it isn't hard to route geo for wayward compass either

[dull haven]

Yeah, i suspect that if it were to get run more seriously it'd feel more rewarding to be doing it faster via not wasting time

[granite anvil]

Fair

Obviously I came up with it so I'm gonna stick to losing 15 seconds getting compass and talking to elderbug

[dull haven]

we can have Pure Ascension% where you do talk and get the compass and Filthy Ascension% where you don't😅

[granite anvil]

That seems like too much for just a 20 minute meme run

[strong vessel]

The problem with a category like this in general is that it's just another get claw -> do something category, which there are already a lot of. That doesn't mean it's a bad category, just that people might not want to run it because it isn't all that unique. But hey, as long as you're happy with it, it's a good category

[granite anvil]

Yeah I get that

Which is partially why I added in elderbug and compass

But I'm not expecting many people to run it. Just thought I would share

[dull haven]

I'm interested in it from a NMMS perspective - it starts like any% with claw but then i think you can skip straight to nail, quit out to dirtmouth (nope dream nail hard save, take the stag), then bench storage and SOOB up to cliffs for 0 equipment gorb

all glitches ascension is probably not interesting, though, since it'd be isomorphic to myla%

[granite anvil]

I don't know anything about the glitches in this game but feel free to try it I guess

[strong vessel]

Also, I'd like to mention that this isn't necessarily true, you'd get Crossroads stag, so you'd end up with around 160–170 geo

You could just kill VK I guess

[granite anvil]

Actually I routed it differently and it worked out

I never got crossroad stag