speedrunning

[haughty fossil]

yeah thorns suck in general

[queen ember]

Ah neat

W

[haughty fossil]

most of those spots aren't useful, there's only a few that help (most notably pop)

I'm on mobile

I will not stand for my times being beaten in discord% 😤

vsync vs console

a fight for the ages

[strong vessel]

You can't just be faster than Jamie and not snail her

Well, you should take any opportunity you get to avenge all of those she has snailed

[final creek]

After a while of conceptualization and planning, I’ve made my first draft of a miscellaneous run.

https://pastebin.com/6CwVDmwq

All I ask is thoughts, criticism, if the route sucks or is unfun; something critical.

[brisk basalt]

whats the official hollow knight speedrunning server?

[edgy kiln]

pb

[short spire]

you should join the new server blackmoon

[edgy kiln]

new server?

[short spire]

yes, i can send you an invite

[edgy kiln]

thanks.

[static chasm]

Speed

[kind flume]

Some notes on Act 1:
Bench in Dirtmouth will automatically be your savepoint, no need to sit. After getting VS, the mound will be your new savepoint anyway
Point 4 & 5 are in reverse order
You don't need to take city crest, the gate just takes a while to open
Generally it's hard to know how much geo you're gonna need. It could be good to put numbers so someone running the category knows they're on the right track. Also generally getting geo by killing small enemies is not very fast. You could check out some existing routes that get lantern (any%, myla%) for ideas
Mantis lords pretty slow fight as well with low level equipment, there's a quicker way into deepnest (left of spore shroom)

[snow dome]

I get the meme, but for ease you really do want to just have "Acquire King's Fragment" as the goal.

Like, also requiring King's Brand is also fine, just the end state.

So this is: Kill Hornet ASAP
Get 1,800 essence
Do WP
?

[snow dome]

The Geo on this route is absurdly tight. You really want Shade Soul, so you're 800 down. Lantern entrance is 1,850. You need 2,650g from early game, Gorgeous Husk, and one visit to Lemm. Rafter's Seal as well as both Any% and All Skills routing gives us approximately 1,300g from Lemm, 450 from Gorgeous Husk, and 350 from early game. That's just 2,100 ish. Still more than a seal away. Routing in False Knight isn't even enough, somehow. This doesn't account for grabbing Shaman's. There a world where you kill FK, Dive entrance to Peaks, use the Toll Bench? Something more like 106/112 routing. D-Dark doesn't really help us get essence, Shade Soul and Abyss Shriek would be the ideal spells here.

I assume True Ending has this mostly figured out? I'm going to check the TE route and see what's different.

[rugged perch]

You can definitely do hornet 2 pretty quickly with just base VS. I’ve done her nail 0 only even and it’s totally manageable, just a little long.

[snow dome]

Okay yeah TE has some weird stuff going on early game that handles all of this

[last inlet]

yeah it's 3 seals + glade idol

to give 2150

[snow dome]

I think you just do Hornet after Shade Soul. It's going to save you a huge chunk of time for all the Dream Warriors and stuff.

[last inlet]

then get fk chest, moss knights, ghusk and a few city enemies for shaman

[rugged perch]

Idk vs + shaman makes pretty quick work of dream warriors. Dream bosses could be an issue.

Still doable with vs though

[snow dome]

Failed Champ itself almost makes Shade Soul worth it. 😅

[rugged perch]

In reality if the goal is “sit at white palace throne” I don’t think you actually need kings brand?

[snow dome]

Yeah, I think the idea is that you "become the king"

So you need King's Brand for that side of it

[rugged perch]

It’s what, 1800 essence for woke dream nail?

Seems like a weird prereq tbh

[snow dome]

I've definitely pondered about New Game -> White Palace before.

[rugged perch]

Getting brand and not going to abyss

[snow dome]

And this category is that but also kill Hornet.

[rugged perch]

Tbh I don’t think this is a viable category imo and I’m a sucker for a good hornet 2 fight

And wp

[snow dome]

Looks like I've been conned into actually running True Ending next week, anyway. 👀

It does look like True Ending but then stop

[rugged perch]

This seems like TE Lite without the TE part that makes it interesting

[snow dome]

No dreamers, no Traitor Lord, no Radiance. That's the difference.

[rugged perch]

Different, but is it actually different enough

[snow dome]

This is literally why All Skills doesn't ask for Dream Nail upgrades

Any category that requires 1,800 essence at this point is just True Ending.

[rugged perch]

That’s like asking for a voidheart% and just not going on to get te

[edgy kiln]

sub 37！

[wide saddle]

is it true that some bosses attacks can go faster on high FPS ? (mainly looking at radiance and her swords)

[wicked trench]

Yep

[wide saddle]

at which value should i cap it then if i don't want to have to deal with that?

[haughty fossil]

250-300 seems to be everyone's usual limit, so you'd get the same behaviour as other runners that way

much lower and you'll begin to feel it in general gameplay & responsiveness

alternatively embrace the pain and cap at 60

[wide saddle]

Alright, if i hit the cap framerate setting it caps me at 416 (not sure why 416)
i guess i'll cap it in the nvidia pannel then

[haughty fossil]

yeah in game frame rate cap is useless by default, you have to edit the config ini for it to do anything

it also doesn't exist on 1221

[wide saddle]

aight, ty

[unkempt lagoon]

imagine even having 60 fps

[wide saddle]

so i set it to 288 as that's twice my monitor refresh rate, no more quick swords, they feel so slow and easy to dodge now

[lusty scroll]

I guess I beat radabsrad with 600fps sword speed I did not know any of this LMAO

[wide saddle]

the thing is it's not always quicker and since i wanted to be consistent at radiant absrad i had to ask

[lusty scroll]

yeah everything is way more consistent since I capped at 300fps

which is even on the upper end of things

[wide saddle]

i wonder if this affects markoth aswell, sometimes the delay between 2 swords is really short and sometimes not

[strong vessel]

Is all the geo a Leg Eater reference something?

But yeah, as the other people said, this pretty much exactly TE

So the geo route would basically be to follow that

[prisma wave]

So this is probably useless or has already been discovered knowing this crazy community but you van skip Hornets dialoge in the first fight nu fireing a vengefull spirit before she Starts falling. If the spell hits, it skips the dialoge. This might be usefull for saving like half a second

[leaden python]

yeah it's known but rarely useful

[normal aspen]

its known but wheter its worth is very situational and depeends on the amount of doubles u get in the fight which is obv hard to know before the fight

[leaden python]

that's why you'll almost never see it in top level speedruns

[prisma wave]

Aight thx

[sullen crest]

@normal aspen yo u streaming tonight?

[queen ember]

What causes hollow knight to be invisible?

Potentially be invisible during the end fight

[digital jewel]

it's a glitch that's more common on current patch and especially when using mods

probably related to running out of video memory

hollow knight room can also crash for that reason

[normal aspen]

I already did a 2h stream today

Depending on how I feel might do another one in an hour or so

[sullen crest]

ah ok

[queen ember]

Oh so its kinda random

That sucks

[digital jewel]

it should be rare but some people get it more often

[queen ember]

Anything i could try to do to avoid it?

I just almost finished my first full run but that happened

[fair island]

Pray

[queen ember]

🙏

[snow dome]

Have more ram on your graphics card

[knotty vigil]

has anyone beat hk without mothwing cloak

or dash

[digital jewel]

yes

plenty of people have

skipping dash is the low% route

[knotty vigil]

thx

[patent quartz]

I'm doing some pantheon speedruns, but I only have one monitor at the moment so I'm not using Livesplit. My loads are quite fluent, how much does that matter for the in-game pantheon time?

[haughty fossil]

you lose a fair amount - i'd recommend still just setting up livesplit and letting it run in the background, then using obs to make it show up on recording

[patent quartz]

Ah, alright

Still annoying I don't see my progress throughout the run

[haughty fossil]

i think pantheons its like 0.5s per load on a good pc? not entirely sure there, i don't have a good pc

[patent quartz]

Lmao

I'll take like .75s estimate per load

[snow dome]

Yeah, you really do just need to get a second monitor for that purpose. Or just put LiveSplit over the game

[digital jewel]

there's no reason to not be able to see livesplit if you want to see it

[snow dome]

Which seems bad

[patent quartz]

I tried putting livespit over the game, needless to say i didn't like that

[digital jewel]

you could run the game in a smaller window

[patent quartz]

Which is what i did

[haughty fossil]

you can use something like ontopreplica to make a transparent copy of the livesplit window so it doesn't obstruct the screen

[snow dome]

Genuinely just grab like a £30 screen for having that stuff on

I know £30 is not nothing

But it comes in so handy

[patent quartz]

I know, I'm going to get one

Still practicing, so it's not that big of a deal

[hearty adder]

Did you only try using it vertically, or did you try using it horizontally too? Some people also have their layouts only show the timer and not the splits to minimize the portion if the screen they cover

[brave lichen]

Hello is there speedrun category all nail arts?

[formal bough]

nmg% nmg is a meme cat, yeah

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/335199817 is the only recorded time but paum has a 20:19

[patent quartz]

I don't think so, there is all skills but no all nail arts

[brave lichen]

Ty

[strong vessel]

Nmg% is a great category from the name alone

[formal bough]

nine massive mask shards% nmms also works, if that would exxist

nmms% nmms

[strong vessel]

Nine more mask shards

Aka... 13 mask shards? Because that's useful

[formal bough]

oh after doing 4ms nmg you do nmms nmms that makes sense

[sick raven]

You joined Speedrun Racer.

[turbid ocean]

hello, would this save time in a run, and has it been discovered? I couldn't find this on google

[shut beacon]

what hitting grimm before the fight ?

yeaa thats been found

[turbid ocean]

ok

[snow dome]

You can start with a dream nail into a regular hit here

[turbid ocean]

ok thanks

[strong vessel]

You can get two dream nails off even

[trail sequoia]

Hello :) is there somewhere a list of pantheon times for comparison?

[haughty fossil]

https://speedrun.com/hollowknight

the sidebar has a section for individual level runs, including each pantheon

[trail sequoia]

Thank you @haughty fossil 🥰

[feral pawn]

Decided to try a run without doing nail upgrade before WK cause I've never tried doing a run without nail upgrade period before and uh wow WK is kinda brutal without first nail upgrade lol

[rugged perch]

wk is probably the biggest hurdle for any%

[feral pawn]

I feel it

I get tripped up fighting them

[rugged perch]

I'm baby and I do a shade soul route for any% because it's my least favorite category

[feral pawn]

I got so comfy doing runs with first nail upgrade I didn't realize the endurance I'd need for WK lol

[hearty adder]

Honestly if you're having trouble with WKs, Shade Soul route gives you way more damage than nail1

though nail1 route is much more similar to the regular any% route, so it's easier to transition from nail1 to nail0 once you're ready

[remote robin]

can anyone send me the link to the post xero made for downpatching hollow knight?

Tryna get into speedruning

[hearty adder]

Check the pins, it's posted there

Should be 3rd pinned message

[remote robin]

alr tx

[feral pawn]

Can't say I've done Shade Soul route before

[strong vessel]

Imagine doing shade soul route instead of forcing yourself to suffer through practice over and over until you die slightly less frequently

Couldn't be me

[limpid plank]

hello! are there any current patch any% nmg practice saves available? found lots of good resources for downpatched version but nothing for 1.4.3.2; probably just not looking in the right spot

[hallow orchid]

You can use the 1.2.2.1 saves for any% nmg practice on cp, the saves would be the same outside of spore shroom thk

[wicked blaze]

what makes all skills cp slower than 1.2.2.1 all skills

by like 5 mins

[onyx spade]

in 1221 you can use dash slash to get shade soul early, you cannot on cp

[atomic hare]

hi i decided i wanted to try to get into speedrunning this game and im having a lot of trouble with the watcher knights on the any% nmg route

i watched a video from fireborn about how you should be able to jump over them and do a combo that goes nail-fireball-nail-nail and then jump over again but i think i am missing something because i cant ever seem to do more than just nail-fireball-nail in time

am i just somehow not hitting the buttons fast enough or is there some sort of trick im missing?

[snow dome]

1. Make sure you're using quick cast instead of focus to cast spells. (You're likely already doing this, but always with checking.)
2. You can cast the Fireball earlier than you think. A fast Nail -> Fireball is called a "Nail cancel". It will cancel the end of your nail animation to do a fireball (but you obviously still hit with the nail).
3. If you are really, really struggling, keep practicing for the best kind of damage cycle you can manage, then just focus on not getting hit.

The skill of killing fast will come eventually, completing the fight and actually getting through runs will help you a lot, though. Don't worry if your Watcher Knights time is like 5m if it means you get through it.

[jagged vault]

The fight is a major roadblock for newer runners

[atomic hare]

ok, i was already using quick cast but i was probably not doing the nail cancel right so maybe that will help. and yeah its been really really struggling ive spent like 30 minutes on them alone so its pretty much a disaster lmao

[jagged vault]

So don’t worry if you’re struggling at first! With practice you’re gonna get there!

[atomic hare]

i remember them being tough on my casual playthrough back in the day and naturally it turns out theyre even worse with minimal upgrades lol

[fiery trail]

Curious if the main menu is visible on this long enough: https://youtu.be/alwnkBDcMbI If not, I will re-cut it sometime after sleep.

[normal aspen]

Sbo7ld be fine

[fiery trail]

Thanks @normal aspen !

[stuck orbit]

Hi there I'm new to speedrunning and have problems with the downpatching i followed all steps in the tutorial video but it still starts in current patch any idea what i can do to solve this problem? The downpatcher created a UnityPlayer.dll that was never mentioned in the video but without it it refuses to start.

[verbal stag]

do you have the steam-appid.txt file?

[stuck orbit]

yes even copied cause i thought i've had a typo

[haughty fossil]

can you screenshot the installation folder?

[snow dome]

Screenshot the bottom of your data folder

Also, make sure there's no additional line break in your txt file

I remade mine after starting and it worked even though it seemed to be identical to the one I deleted

[haughty fossil]

1221 shouldn't contain UnityPlayer.dll, are you sure you used the correct manifest id?

[stuck orbit]

pretty sure but i can try again

[haughty fossil]

yeah that's definitely cp

[stuck orbit]

ok so ill check the manifest again and dowload it thx for the help ❤️

[stuck orbit]

it worked thx again

[patent quartz]

What's the most consistent setup for QGA? It's the only major thing i have problems with, I need to get more consistent. I currently jump to the left and dash right into a cdash, is just dropping more consistent?

[haughty fossil]

whichever one works for you is consistent, but the one you described is the version most people use

[patent quartz]

Ah, ok

I tried the other one and I sucked at it, wondering if it was worth

[snow dome]

If you're really, really struggling, like it's taking you a minute plus to get, just go around during runs until you've got it in practice.

[wicked trench]

if you can't find where the problem is that's probably because you press c,dash too early in the first part

[raw pine]

yo just a qn, where do i find the autosplitter for hk for livesplit

[wicked trench]

this one prob (like this is activated)

right click on livesplit --> go to "edit splits"

[raw pine]

do i still need to add the autosplit script in the layout tab?

[digital jewel]

no you don't

[raw pine]

ok gonna test it again

[mossy nacelle]

to get a speedrun on speedrun.com, do i have to get it under a certain time?

[wicked trench]

you mean "fast enough"?
no

[ebon nexus]

finished my first run

[weary root]

just has to be single segment, have game audio, show title screen at the start, and be hosted somewhere permanent

nice cmX! gg

[ebon nexus]

I took 13 min to do the acid skip lol

[weary root]

Deepnest route is a thing 👀

especially recommended while you're learning

[ebon nexus]

I skipped the cutscene at the end

is it okay?

[weary root]

yeah that's fine

[rugged perch]

I may be the weird one here but I honestly find dashless qga easier

[fiery yew]

fuck

[elfin vortex]

feels bad man. I nearly did the same with a 2:18/sub 18 paced run yesterday

[fiery yew]

Kinda did, but i will try again tomorrow

i turned it down because i was watching a yt video, it helps me calm me down

[elfin vortex]

You might even lower your time with a new attempt.

[elfin vortex]

I do the same but cuz I find the music annoying after playing the game so much. I plug in my sound isolating iems and watch yt via scrcpy on my phone. Lets me turn up the volume of hk and watch yt

Ofc u dont need sound isolating earphones but if u want to watch yt while doing runs without its audio being captured a virtual audio cable or scrcpy can do the job. Scrcpy is simpler tho imo

[fiery yew]

oh gosh

i cant even do the first part

[elfin vortex]

Of what? Path of pain?

[fiery yew]

yes

[elfin vortex]

Try checking out schy's guide https://youtu.be/6GGjRX80czk

[fiery yew]

does someone actually uses that down dash from the dashmaster charm?

[snow dome]

It gets you to max velocity immediately

[haughty fossil]

it's used very often in no main menu storage glitched runs

[snow dome]

So you save smol time here and there with down dashes

Also it stops you locking yourself with float, yeah

[strong vessel]

It's handy to do cyclone drops with

[cloud depot]

man i should do more hk runs

[warm bramble]

can i get verified on any list to be a speedrunner?

[elfin vortex]

Wdym? If your asking for the speedrunner role we have a new discord/link your verified run here. If your asking if you can submit any run to src no matter the time, well as long as it completes the goal and follows the rules then yes

[warm bramble]

it took that long to type that?

anyways my name has to show on the list?

[elfin vortex]

Im on mobile typing with one hand lol

[elfin vortex]

To get the role on this discord yes but as I said theres a new speedrunning server with no role locked channels which you can find the link for on src under (i think) rescources

[warm bramble]

oh nice

[fiery yew]

AAAAA

[haughty fossil]

expect lots of resets for ILs

[elfin vortex]

I feel your agony man. Take a break if needed. It took me 270ish tries to get 2:18 and it helped alot (both in my play and mentally) to go through it in debug until satisfied (doing each room individually), taking a break, then trying to do a full run

[elfin vortex]

Holy hell thats alot of attempts. Whos run is that?

[normal aspen]

Schy

[elfin vortex]

Not surprised. 2:05 sounds so feckin hard to get.

[lusty scroll]

i calculated that ive spent an entire hour total of my life watching the 10s intro fall on current patch :)

[olive smelt]

for aluba% is it allowed to fireball the aluba? or does it have to be a nail hit?

[jagged vault]

any kill is valid

what matters is that you kill it

[lusty scroll]

aluba% is just mwc any% but with like 20 seconds at the end right?

[wicked trench]

yes

[rugged perch]

Eat me too% is better than aluba% don’t @ me

[lusty scroll]

huh

do i even want to know

[rugged perch]

Get killed by the vengefly king eating Zote without waking it up

It’s not on SRC, but it’s on Quack’s spreadsheet

It’s such a stupid category and I love it

[lusty scroll]

LMAO

bruh where is extinction%

earliest mawlek kill

[haughty fossil]

tbf aluba%'s existence is because of nmms

whereas eat me too% exists because of memes

[rugged perch]

true meme runs lfg

Ngl eat me too is exactly what I needed to enjoy running again after having a string of incredibly tilting 106 runs

[lusty scroll]

yeah i watched one of those the other day, im really scared to learn longer categories they look hard as hell mentally

[rugged perch]

They can be mentally taxing but they’re also really fun. I enjoy longer categories. There’s no way I could run a 106 offline unless I was in a discord call or something though, chat keeps me sane.

The length isn’t the most taxing part, choking something like flower over and over again is where the tilt comes in

[lusty scroll]

hmm, i guess its the more points of failure because of the longer time frame

[strong vessel]

I did my first few 112 runs segmented

That definitely helped

[verbal stag]

<@&283547423706447872>

[plucky moss]

thanks

[verbal stag]

ifls

[plucky moss]

[livid spoke]

Is stag nest% a thing

[sweet mulch]

All stag stations exists

It has a leaderboard on category extensions

[jagged vault]

did anyone say all stags

[sweet mulch]

No

They clearly said stag nest

[normal aspen]

actual sag nest% would be utter pain

[snow dome]

Would that that be claw -> Dream Nail -> Gorb Skip?

15m run, ez cat

[unkempt lagoon]

Don't you need wings for the skip though?

or is that Gorbless

[median gull]

Wings is gorbless yes

but it's a lot easier

wingless is just ehh, pretty tight

[livid spoke]

What’s the fasted way to get to hornet sentinel

After you fought hornet and false knight

[grizzled maple]

Shade skip and b line for ke

You can use an aspid to reach her without wings

[strong vessel]

Look at shriek%

It basically does that

But with howling wraiths

[livid spoke]

Thx

I wanted to do a speedrun where I get saved by hornet

[snow dome]

King's Brand%

Seems cool

[strong vessel]

If a little similar to shriek% (though the fight itself is a lot different with wraiths so that does make a difference)

[livid spoke]

I call it “ saved by you babe%’

[snow dome]

Can you do it without Claw?

I assume not

You can do it with just VS Cloak Claw though, right?

[fiery trail]

So, what is the quick kill for Soul Warrior in 106 TE? I am learning that run and I keep dying to it in sanctum.

[short spire]

the one before shade soul?

[livid spoke]

A lot of shade souls

[short spire]

the one on the way to soul master we just skip with lever skips

[livid spoke]

He is just a weak version and slow version of mantis lords

[fiery trail]

In 106? I thought we didn’t get any nail arts until much later.

Just clarifying.....

[short spire]

you dont need a nail art to do the lever skip to get to right side sanctum early

you should check a run probably

hornet i dont want to be rude but i dont think you really know how the 106 route works

so youre not being particularly helpful

[livid spoke]

O ok

[vague jolt]

You can actually get to hornet 2 without claw (clawless shade cloak does it) but I suspect it might even be faster to get claw anyway

[stark birch]

getting to H2 clawless needs dreamgate there's a double shade skip so it is definitely faster to get claw

[livid spoke]

Why dream gate

I need 900 esnece for that

[formal bough]

double shade skip
basically you shade skip to get from A to B, but you don't have a bench at B, and you need to shade skip from B to C. So setting a dream gate at B makes this possible

[livid spoke]

I’m going for mantis claw then

Because if I go for the dream gate I need to get the dream nail

You can get the kings brand with out dream nail

[snow dome]

Holy hell a double shade skip? 👀

Is Tami going to run Shade Cloak%???

[warm bramble]

How do you do the shade soul skip when i do it with dash slash it won't go through.

[snow dome]

You can't on current patch

[warm bramble]

Shit.

[snow dome]

You will need to either follow a current patch route or down patch to 1.2.2.1

[warm bramble]

ever since the beta update?

[snow dome]

No, the beta is not currently run, as it is a beta

Current patch is 1.4.3.2

[warm bramble]

so team cherry patched it.

[digital jewel]

yeah it was patched a long time ago

[snow dome]

It was literally only available for one patch, I believe

Which is why it is the patch we run forever. Cursed.

[warm bramble]

is the console port like the PC port you can do any skip and glitch?

[digital jewel]

console is like current patch PC

[snow dome]

If it's available on current patch it's available on console. Check out the current patch guides and runs on speedrun dot com and you will be able to just copy them

[warm bramble]

so i would be able to hook the speedrun.com to my console and it would work.

[digital jewel]

what does that mean

[snow dome]

You don't book it up or anything

Speedrun dot com is just a website to look at runs and guides and stuff

[warm bramble]

would i need another device for speedrun.com in order to speedrun ho-

okay.

[snow dome]

To get an official run you literally just need any way of recording your screen and audio coming out of it, then upload that video somewhere like YouTube.

[warm bramble]

i can like use any speedrun timer right.

[snow dome]

If you're on console you don't even need to have a timer. It can be timed after recording it.

You can't remove the load times on console like you might see on PC, so you just take the time from the beginning of the run to the end of it

[warm bramble]

so youtube is the timer basically after you record it and upload it.

sorry if i'm being confusing.

[snow dome]

Yeah, basically

You can use a capture card and put a time on screen to make it nicer to watch and stuff, but it's not required.

[livid spoke]

I do it with a memoery card for my console (switch, I have pc to but for some reason I like switch better)

[echo grove]

Anyone got tips for mantis pogo?? I can’t get it consistently

[elfin vortex]

My tips honestly are to make sure your positioning is right then honestly just try do it quickly. When i learnt it I thought I had to do it slowly and when I eventually tried it quickly and... boom I was consistently getting it

Try recording urself do it succesfully and try mimic what was done there by checking where the fb was fired etc

[fiery trail]

@short spire sorry for my late response; but, thanks for helping me out this afternoon on 106 TE.

[short spire]

yeah np

[lusty scroll]

dash every time you slash, dashing into the wall is the most important thing

[ebon nexus]

first sub 1 hour

third completed run

[lusty scroll]

nice

[bleak saddle]

why did this happen

I beat watcher knights easily then spent half an hour fighting hollow knight

why has everything reversed itself

[hearty adder]

just more and more practice for consistency

[worn niche]

just a quick question, if i recorded my speedrun with nivida's recording stuff how would i upload that to speedrun.com?

[digital jewel]

if it creates a video file then you can upload that somewhere

like youtube or twitch

[worn niche]

well i livestreamed it on twitch, sadly didnt hit the twitch record button like a numb nut

[remote totem]

is the explosion pogo doable on current patch?

[digital jewel]

if it was livestreamed on twitch then there should be a twitch VOD on your channel?

[digital jewel]

not in the same way as on older patches

you can't pogo the explosion

[remote totem]

ohhhh so do u have to damage tank then?

[haughty fossil]

not necessarily, I believe there's a post in #strats listing all the CP epogo

[digital jewel]

Current patch (the explosion is no longer pogoable):

Fireball setup (compact tutorial by Xero, extended tutorial by Mathulu): https://youtu.be/QUp6msZzgTw + https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM
60Hz Vsync/Console setup (tutorial by emray): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U
Panta's setup (tutorial by valigna): https://youtu.be/4wdfFMLblz4
Xeph's setup (tutorial by Xeph): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg2_AjMaCh0

[worn niche]

@digital jewel i,ll check thank you for the help

[remote totem]

gotcha. I was wondering what I was doing wrong. I was following fireb0rn's nmg any% guide

who here wears compression gloves? do they actually help? I do a lot of typing too, and sometimes I definitely find little pains in my fingers a few hours in

[ebon nexus]

Should I keep these 3 or delete the two worst?

[haughty fossil]

keeping all is fine

we check before verifying and only watch the fastest run

[ebon nexus]

ok, tks

[digital jewel]

I know fire has some, maybe you could ask him for advice

[snow dome]

They definitely help

I have had lots of problems with aches in my knuckles recently and the gloves have been a big improvement

[olive smelt]

aluba% pb (about a 25 second timesave)

:))

[plush sundial]

I had a question about the mentality behind the P5 speedrun

Is it better to use spells as often as possible, or save some soul for openings that'll do more damage

Like spamming shade soul vs waiting for abyss shriek or ddark

[knotty vigil]

I've been thinking about getting into speedruning any tips?

[rugged perch]

I use compression gloves, they really help me out with stamina and generally not feeling like my hands are going to fall off. I’ve had carpal tunnel release surgery in both hands and cts is not something I’m keen on experiencing again any time soon, so every little bit helps. Also make sure you’re stretching.

And by stamina I mean not only only runs like 106, but also long sessions of shorter runs and rando.

Nothing so far keeps my right wrist from hurting in 106 colos though

[stiff marsh]

Awesome I just submitted my first aluba% pb of 11:47 (with loads) to the boards!

[stiff marsh]

I started about a week ago and i definitely feel like theyve helped with hand/joint pain

[strong vessel]

Generally, you'll have enough soul for spells whenever you need them, unless you're doing some serious shriek spam (like on Marmu for instance)

The best way to learn what's best is to watch runs, honestly

Though fury does mess things up, so try to find the highest ones without it, I guess?

[ornate flower]

I personalized my own speed run because I’m Pretty Bad at the game, so I’m wondering if someone who’s experienced could check my list and see if everything looks good?

I’m going to test it out myself, but it’d be nice to review it with someone first

I’m not looking for any specific time, just wanna get the achievements

[formal bough]

if you are only going for time, the pins do have a good guide that is also accessable via a command

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[ornate flower]

Thank you!

[knotty vigil]

Goog job

[steep rivet]

hey so im brand new to speedrunning in general, and im now setting up livesplit, the problem is is that i cant open the settings tab, does anyone know why?

[jagged vault]

You need to press ”activate” first

[steep rivet]

at every split?

[jagged vault]

No, on the load time remover

[steep rivet]

so the button next to settings you mean?

[jagged vault]

You need to have it on before you can change the settings and configure autosplits

[steep rivet]

ok

thx a lot

[jagged vault]

No problem, good luck with running the game!

[steep rivet]

u2!

[steep rivet]

it'll prob be rough but thats ok since the basic reason im doing it is to get better at the game

[teal flower]

I am kind of new to the speedrunning side of the game, but see that almost all the runs on speedrun.com are done on pc. Is there a reason for this?

[digital jewel]

pc is easier to practice on, it doesn't have the input lag that console versions have, there's more competition, it's easier to record and the timing method is fairer

[teal flower]

okay, that makes sense. I have only played it on the switch so far

[steady lynx]

I really do not recommend running on console, loads being random length and RTA timing does not work well

[steep rivet]

hey is there a way to use live splits on foreground without having hk on windowed?

[snow dome]

No, but you can have HK in boarderless windowed mode which is very similar to full screen

I don't know the method, though

[steep rivet]

k np

[snow dome]

You can run on console of you want, and will be timed against other people on the same console.

[teal flower]

yeah I guess but might as well buy it on pc, if solely for the practice as go Xero mentioned

[snow dome]

Highly recommended if it's available to you, yes. Good luck.

[ebon nexus]

yo, anyone have any tips to do the acid skip? I always take like 10 attempts to get it

[digital jewel]

which acid skip?

[ebon nexus]

the second one

[snow dome]

It's just extremely tight

[digital jewel]

my setup is to tap jump lightly and then dash into the wall just above the acid and begin charging cdash

there's not a lot of help I can give besides it's just tight

[knotty vigil]

Is it normal that the lifeblood glitches out every second run of p5?
The last mask keeps blinking blue/white and I only gain 4 instead of 5 lifeblood when that happens

[formal bough]

do you have a recording? that's new to me

[knotty vigil]

Don't have on rn, but I can provide one if I play through it one or two more times probably since it happens really often 😅

[knotty vigil]

@formal bough It actually happened right in the next run 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDBll93gMmk
At 10:12 you can see how the first life blood kinda merges with my last mask
In the fluke marm fight I healed a bit so you can see how it looks when I heal while that glitch occurs

The fake lifeblood doesn't seem to count as health, but it for some reason prevents me from getting 5 lifeblood after that 🤔

Also in case you're wondering, it also happens when I'm not overcharmed.
But I've never seen it happen on shell binding so far.
Without shell binding it happens almost every time tho

[vagrant flame]

After watching a couple of speedruns, I just have this to say: You people are out of your damn minds.

[strong vessel]

This is a known glitch, it just renders one of the lifeblood masks useless for some reason

Benching should fix it

I think

[haughty fossil]

if i think about it logically (bad idea) could have something to do with how quickly you exit the room, like whether the lifeblood masks have been added before the transition?

[calm skiff]

hey, i want to get into speedrunning on nintendo switch, does anyone have any tips before i start?

[elfin vortex]

If this is any% your running then I've heard a good idea for beginners is to do the shade soul route and get 1 nail upgrade to help with watcher knights as they can be difficult at first. Also I've heard spore shroom cheeses the hollow knight fight

[calm skiff]

what's the shade soul reroute?

[elfin vortex]

Hold on let me see if I can find it

[calm skiff]

and yes this is any%

[elfin vortex]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/p2d5f

[calm skiff]

thanks

i hope the rest of this servers community is this helpful

i just joined like 5 minutes ago so yea im new

[elfin vortex]

If your interested theres also a dedicated hk speedrunning server. Link to that can be found on src recources but yeah this community is pretty nice

Also good luck on your runs!

[calm skiff]

thanks!

[snow dome]

Welcome to the community! One thing I'll say is that you should make sure you're looking at either Switch runs specifically, or PC runs that are run on current patch specifically

The main any% guide is for an older patch you won't be able to run on, but the route is almost identical, for when you want to start optimising your run.

[calm skiff]

thanks for the welcome! and i looked it up, as far as i can tell the only part i would need a differnt patch is for the watchers spire skip

is there any reason we do lurien monomon herrah?

[stuck raptor]

Because it's the fastest

[haughty fossil]

(cdash is required for monomon, and you need the geo we get by selling to lemm after lurien + the watcher knights chest to get lantern, so we can go get cheart)

[stuck raptor]

And monomon then herrah is kinda required in that order

[calm skiff]

ah

[stuck raptor]

From map layout

Anything else is Omega slow

[calm skiff]

thanks

[strong vessel]

Do note that you never want to do both; the nail upgrade is pretty much useless if you have shade soul

Shade soul route is the easiest of the three but the slowest

[calm skiff]

shade soul is the one where you use the dash slash to get through the door right?

[snow dome]

Not on Switch

[elfin vortex]

Dont think so lol. Pretty sure thats in all skills on older patches. Depending on how you want to run any% you could choose do shade soul route, standard route with nail upgrade, standard route, spore shroom etc. Shade soul makes things far easier to do though especially for beginners.

Depends on how much time you want to put towards it cuz stuff like nail0 wk will take time to learn

[calm skiff]

i think ill go for shade soul, even on my main file a havent beat wk and i have the coiled nail lol.

[rugged perch]

Shade soul is very comfy

[calm skiff]

im sure it is! i havent tried a speedrun yet so i wouldent know though

[snow dome]

Just FYI, once you get nail 3 and nail 4 they get extra health

[rugged perch]

If I had been aware of the shade soul route a year ago during my first any% attempts I probably would have stuck with speed running back then. As it stands I didn’t come back to running until November, and now I’m hooked.

[snow dome]

There's a few enemies that do, including all Dream Warriors and Grimmkins

This is the primary reason nail upgrades are left extremely late for the categories that require them.

[vital geyser]

if youre using my SS guide on speedrun.com, im sorry that its not finished yet :(((

[elfin vortex]

I did link your guide yes. It is still usable though right?

[rugged perch]

I recommend watching Slaurent’s any% run, he uses shade soul. My any% run is also shade soul route.

[vital geyser]

no its not. I dont have the full run there. im writing some more now

its also extremely disorganized. its kind of me rambling. Im trimming it down now

edit: guide is now usable. you just have to get the last 3 splits from an any% guide because they are the exact same in movement and routing

[snow dome]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yj6424oz

This is my extremely easy mode Descending Dark route, if you're interested.

Sub hour is more than doable with it, my movement is trash.

We should run these together. See what kind of times you can expect to see from different routes for different levels of ease. Shade Soul is much better than Nail 1, but requires the Soul Warrior fight, which is a bit of a nightmare TBH, and still requires quite a bit of skill to wield.

D-Dark requires just one smol platforming section, and also cuts out the shade skip. It makes fights absurdly trivial.

[rugged perch]

I made a ddark route as well but it’s absolutely awful and should only be run if you truly hate yourself. Hell room isn’t worth it, and ddark-only uumuu is trash.

Shade soul route doesn’t require soul warrior in 1221, highly recommend downpatching if you do shade soul

[vital geyser]

shade soul route is about 7 minutes slower

on current patch

i havent timed everything individually, but this is the consensus xTeixeira and I came up with after we both did a few runs of it

[bleak saddle]

woo new pb

[vital geyser]

gj!

[strong vessel]

I would probably recommend beating the game before starting to speedrun it

[sullen crest]

@haughty fossil you have any categories that I should do

I've been grinding IL's but its getting boring

[fading inlet]

So as someone who has a strategy they'd like to share but can't in strats, should Iink it here, or point to the channel I already Put it in, because I feel like it could help at least someone speedrun with god home or soul tyrants fight

[formal bough]

put it here and we can see if it is new. odds are people have already tried it and are using it/thought it slower, but a new set of eyes can always help

[fading inlet]

Alright!
The link is: https://youtu.be/tpyILd1Z1H0

Sorry if it's been used, I just haven't seen it any where else

Though I am pretty stupid so who knows

[formal bough]

the strat normally used deals more damage, but yours seems a lot easier

but honestly, at the point that you can speedrun pantheons people do fancier strats that can deal a bunch more

[fading inlet]

Yeah that's fair
I hadn't been able to check so I wasn't sure
You think it won't fit there then?

[formal bough]

yeah, probably not. seems like a very nice strategy to not worry about dives though when doing pantheon regularly, I might steal that for if I ever get around to trying out bindings again

[fading inlet]

Alright! I just thought I'd share to try and help someone out, and I hope it comes in useful for you!

[knotty vigil]

Im not transitioning before the life blood gets added, so that's definitely not it 😅

[haughty fossil]

Well that's all my ideas for how it gets screwed up other than the usual "game bad lol"

[bleak shadow]

Dear Hollow Knight Speedrunning Community, Hi! My Name Is Sailor, I'm Writing This Message To Thank Everyone Who Helped Me Through My Rough Patch In Life, I Went Through Alot Of Pain And Turmoil And I Turned To Speedrunning As An Escape, Growing Up I Never Had Many Friends But When I Came Here As A Guy Who Was Sad And Down On His Luck, You Guys Did Everything You Could To Make Me Feel Welcome, And Even Tho I'll Probably Never Put Up A WR Run Or Make Some Crazy New Find For A New Route. I Want To Thank Both The Community And Team Cherry For Helping Me Overcome My Demons To Get Past The Hurdle That Plagued Me For All These Years, Keep Up All The Good Work And Fun Times. Happy Running - Sailor

P.S Skurry Is A Nerd

[queen ember]

Could someone link me to vengeful spirit skipping on current patch?

[haughty fossil]

https://youtu.be/v5iOqvckUrg

it's the same as 1221

just note the first one after the baldur kill we don't usually go for since you don't usually have soul

[queen ember]

Oh my im sorry i may have phrased wrong, i mean skipping vengeful spirit itself lol

If u time it correct u can skip the first one w luck too

If u get 2 mini baldur dudes

I would just like to see someone get to dash or claw without vengeful spirit

[strong vessel]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#Spelless There's a category for that!

[queen ember]

Okay thank you

[elfin vortex]

idk which channel to put this in but me, glowingicefire and artzfreak just uploaded the updated 112 guide to src. There seems to be formatting issues with all videos past the yt vid demoing the skip to great slash. This is happening despite there being no difference in formatting with the videos (except some xephros vids later on in the guide) before great slash? Why is this occuring and how do I fix it?

[strong vessel]

(You probably didn't have to put that here, the new server should work for everything)

[elfin vortex]

true lol

[vital geyser]

why is formatting so hard

im tempted to move my entire guide off of src for my convenience

[snow dome]

Most other things I see just link somewhere else anyway

[digital jewel]

I haven't run into any video limit

that's interesting

[elfin vortex]

Not sure if its a vid limit cuz while there are alot of videos linked (30+), xephros's vid still shows despite all others past great slash being just the links

[little trout]

"A very spontaneous thought about low% godhome, but..."
I was thinking, can you buy fragile charm during run (strength especially), but before ending run, give charm to divine, so final completion percentage is still lowest possible, because consumed charm won't count?

I would very like to post it in low% discussion, but cannot do so, so, meh

[shut beacon]

but then u cant use this in pantheons

which is like the hardest part

[little trout]

Use can use it prior to 5-th

Yeah, I know, not THAT helpful, but still

[hearty adder]

Having to go out of godhome and back to dirtmouth just to get rid of charms sounds like a very big time sink

Also we've moved on to another discord server for speedrunning specifically, you can find it in the src page for Hollow Knight

[little trout]

Oh, yeah

[lusty scroll]

might not be too long with dreamgate and then save/quit back to godhome

[snow dome]

Sub hour let's go!

[old obsidian]

[shut beacon]

GG!

[tranquil frigate]

[oblique owl]

@digital jewel What is the speedrun role in the server?? (I'm dfb in the any% steel soul)

[hearty adder]

To get it here you gotta link your verified run and request the role. However the community has moved on to another server anyways so it's best to join that one

[astral forge]

Any tips for someone just begging to look into speedrunning the game?

[stuck raptor]

?pins

[sick raven]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[astral forge]

I know those tricks

Long time fan of the game and community

Just now able to actually play it

Just beat my first run with true ending

[strong vessel]

Yeah, there are around 70 videos linked total (I think), so maybe it's a sheer number thing

[ebon nexus]

How much time take for u guys to get sub 50min in Any% NMG?

[stuck raptor]

well.... less than 50 minutes

[astral forge]

Lol

[wicked trench]

depends on the patch, how much time you played before and how much time you are willing to practice

but yeah, what Mickely said basically

[ebon nexus]

I meant how LONG took u to get sub 50min

sorry

[wicked trench]

yeah, just messing around don't worry ahaha

as said, depends which patch, current patch is by nature slower than 1221 for example

[strong vessel]

It varies from person to person hugely

[ebon nexus]

makes sense

I'm making runs for like two weeks but I was not playing too much, so I managed to finish my first run three days ago

[wicked trench]

if you are a beginner my personal advice is don't look the timer and get in as many runs as possible, even if you die ten times at WK

[ebon nexus]

since then I've played more and I already beated my PB three times

[ebon nexus]

Yeah I'm trying to do that

but it's difficult cuz I'm very perfectionist, so sometimes I make a minor mistake and I already want to reset

[oblique owl]

Which server are they on?

[wicked trench]

if you find some part hard search for something on the internet, there are different guides and so on
unfortunatly human speedrunning cannot be perfect, even the best player will say "I could have saved time here by doing bla bla bla"

[oblique owl]

@digital jewel Requesting Speedrunner Role https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zq1gd31m

[oblique owl]

If you keep resetting you will get better at the earlier stuff, but it will take you longer to get better at the later part, just push through. Plus it teaches you to keep going even if you make minor mistakes, you might lose a few secs early off, but make gains later

[strong vessel]

Link is in the sidebar on speedrun.com

[oblique owl]

Thanks!

[elfin vortex]

What alternatives to having it on src are there?

[ebon nexus]

How long it usually takes for ur run to be approved on Speedrun.com?

[elfin vortex]

A few days normally but im guessing run length matters so it may take a week idk

[ebon nexus]

Like I submitted a few, but the last one I submitted is 50 minutes

[stuck raptor]

depending on verification load, maximum 2 weeks

[snow dome]

Pastebin or a Google Doc or anything, then just a link on the src page

Mine will remain Google docs from now on so that I can format them

[haughty fossil]

we're under a fair bit of load rn so expect around 4-5 days until the queue gets cleared

[ebon nexus]

Ok, tks

[bright bough]

Hi, im trying to get version 1.2.2.1 up and running on linux with the modding api and debug mode. So far i've gotten HK 1.2.2.1 to boot up using the modding api 1.2.2.1-39 but on the main menu i get no options for some reason, anyone that has successfully gotten 1.2.2.1 debug to work under linux can give me a hand?

[stuck raptor]

Pretty sure -41 is the right version?

[haughty fossil]

you may need a special build for linux, but also -39 sounds old

[bright bough]

This -39 version i have is the one i got from the old downloads in the GDrive

ive tried -41 as well but i get the same behaviour, perhaps theres a linux version of it i missed

[stuck raptor]

Nope. Should just be the universal one.

[bright bough]

The one that was labeled specifically for linux that is

[stuck raptor]

Might have to clear your system memory. Was it working without the api

[bright bough]

i have an unmodified version on 1.2.2.1 patch that works fine

without the modding api that is

[haughty fossil]

dumb question, if you set this install to use the vanilla api does it still work?

[bright bough]

and also a current patch one that has modinstaller 2 and is working fine with debug menu

[bright bough]

by vanilla api you mean replace the C# library with original one?

if so then yes

it does work fine

[haughty fossil]

try deleting the modding api settings folder in saves

;saves

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[haughty fossil]

even

for -41 should be a separate folder

[bright bough]

Ok thats something i havent tried, let me give it a go

No luck, i tried both -41 and -39 with wiped saves and still the same behaviour

[bright bough]

What do you mean by separate folder btw, is that for the save locations? The setting file for my -41 install gets created in the same folder my saves are in, no subfolder gets created

[haughty fossil]

inside the saves folder there should be a 1.2.2.1-globalsettings folder or something to that effect

[bright bough]

not a folder in my case at least, just an individual json file

wondering if that could be related to whats going on

[haughty fossil]

yeah there should be a folder generated w/ the most recent version of the api

can you screenshot the saves folder?

[bright bough]

sure thing

full name of modding api file is ModdingApi.GlobalSettings-1.2.2.1.json

gets auto generated when i run HK

[haughty fossil]

ok maybe i am dumb and that was how it was done

[bright bough]

Hey man you at least knew the file was there, thats like 10 steps ahead of me

As an extra note, the main menu is supposed to play 3 sound effects afaik, the music, a crackling fire sound and a wind one. The wind sound is not playing for whatever reason

Ive tried looking up the issue related to other bugs but it seems no one has had this happen

[haughty fossil]

hmm, can you screenshot the contents of hollow_knight_data and/or the install folder?

if you renamed the exe stuff will go bad too

[bright bough]

havent renamed any files afaik

[haughty fossil]

(also please don't use masc-coded words talking to me, not a massive issue just makes me uncomfy )

[bright bough]

ah my bad

wont happen again

This is my managed folder

Data folder

Root folder

I have no mods added right now

if i do add a mod it fails to load and asks me to read the modlogs

[haughty fossil]

actually yeah could you send the modlog too? might give some clues

in saves folder

[bright bough]

sure thing

[haughty fossil]

fwiw most runners dont run on linux because no livesplit, which might be why there could be an issue for linux users in recent updates for 1221 api

[bright bough]

Yeah im getting that impression now

The first is my latest modlog and the other two are from the old modlogs folder

[haughty fossil]

all 3 modlogs have different problems

[bright bough]

The old modlogs i think are related to me having debug menu loaded while whatever is going on was happening

[haughty fossil]

no even before it attempts to load mods the issue changes

[bright bough]

Array index out of range doesnt tell me much though

It's odd because it seems like the issue is specifically for 1.2.2.1

CP works just fine

[haughty fossil]

i might go on a quick check of changes in -41 to modhooks since that seems to be the issue

yeah cp modding api is very different to 1221

but honestly i'd suggest doing what other linux runners do and accept the pain of dual booting/emulation

[bright bough]

I saw some guy on #archived-modding-help going bananas over something being wrong with the version of the C# library that is distributed with the modding api

but i think that was related to controller inputs

[haughty fossil]

yeah i saw that too that wasn't directly the fault of the api, but of the download for it when the old gdrive got taken down

[bright bough]

I think i might just have to do that

You mentioned emulation, does livesplit work with wine?

afaik it didnt

[haughty fossil]

no

[bright bough]

ah ok

[haughty fossil]

livesplit needs to read memory for the autosplitter and memory is structured differently in linux

[bright bough]

but a modded windows version of HK will work with proton then?

[haughty fossil]

regardless the only way to be competitive and compare times with other people is through livesplit.

[bright bough]

Yeah not really looking to be competitive just yet, was mainly going to practice thats why i didnt mind not having access to autosplit

[haughty fossil]

i doubt it, i think you need a fully fledged windows install

so a full VM just for HK 🥴 or just a dual boot

[bright bough]

im already running this linux instance on a VM it wont be that much of a pain in the ass to get a windows one up

but still a pain in the ass nonetheless

[haughty fossil]

it's really annoying that this is the best i can really give you but that's mainly the issue w/ livesplit being archaic and abandoned, as well as being written on windows forms

[bright bough]

Its not your fault thats ok

Ama go bang my head on the wall for a couple of hours now while windows installs, thanks for the help

[ebon nexus]

First sub 50

[sweet night]

Ever?

[ebon nexus]

yeah

I started running 3 days ago

Don't know if that's good or not but I'm happy

[haughty fossil]

that's pretty good for only 3 days 👀

[ebon nexus]

👀

[hearty adder]

Dang cmX, gg

Whenever you wanna move on to the fun side, the category extensions are right there (joking, keep running whatever makes you happy, you're improving pretty quickly and that's really neat)

[ebon nexus]

Thank u so much

If u didn't help me back there I wouldn't be able to run

[hearty adder]

no problem

[dry talon]

Hello

Is it ok if I get some help?

Tryna setup my splitd

splits*

[slim geyser]

yeah I can help, what is your issue

[dry talon]

Btw Im totally new to this and using computers in general so I might be difficult

But rn seems like I need to get autosplitter set up

[snow dome]

Just post your question

And people will help

[silver oak]

5 hours later: ...

Maybe he had to go

hopefully he comes back for help.

[ebon nexus]

@digital jewel can I get speedrunner role? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ydrd8xwz

[unkempt lagoon]

haha very funny

[knotty vigil]

does mantis explosion pogo work on cp?

[haughty fossil]

not quite, you can't pogo the explosion itself so you have different setups

[elfin vortex]

Try this method out. 3fb is super safe https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM

[haughty fossil]

#strats message

(a list of all setups, comfypogo is the most used for cp)

[knotty vigil]

this looks hard af

[hearty adder]

It looks more complicated than it actually is

The 3 fb version is especially lenient

[hallow orchid]

It's very consistent we call it comfypogo haha

[normal aspen]

the 3fb version is blessed af

and can still get u sub 1:40 splits

[knotty vigil]

idk i suck (i cant even do greenpath fb skips)

[normal aspen]

starting out you can also just go around

[knotty vigil]

im only good at being bad lol

[old obsidian]

mood

altho 3 fb is v v comfy

a lot comfier than greenpath fb skips imo

[hearty adder]

If you're just getting started the only way to go is up

Established speedrunners aren't magically good from the get-go, it takes a lot of practice and time to git gud

So it's just about being able to put your mind to it and practicing

[fair island]

This one is easier than the fireball skips in greenpath

[hearty adder]

Fb skips are literally impossible 😤😤

Fbs on this are more about air-stalling than about pushing you towards a direction, which imo is much more simple

[knotty vigil]

does anyone know why tf theres no speedrun achievement on ps4?

[normal aspen]

ps4 has a lot fewer achievements in geeneral

[steady lynx]

At least it makes a potential all trophies run possible on one file

[unkempt lagoon]

Easy time save for all achievements run

[elfin vortex]

How much time does a normal toll take and how much does a skurry lookdown toll take?

[lusty scroll]

like 2-3 seconds difference depending on toll

[knotty vigil]

do dash slash lever skips work on cp?

[hearty adder]

no

The specific lever type that got broken that allowed for dasch slasch got fixed after 1221

[keen dew]

Hello! I’ve been gradually improving my times on Console for a little bit and have just submitted a run to the leaderboards. It’s nowhere close to the records but i hope to improve as time goes forward. I didn’t have a way of timing it while streaming so i hope that’s not too much of an issue?

[hallow orchid]

Generally no, except for the soul sanctum one right below the soul warrior. That still works on cp, we just don't usually have dash slash for it

[strong vessel]

Wait, why would that one still work?

Is it because it thinks you're in the same part of the room?

[lusty scroll]

as long as you record it you can time in post thats ok

[hearty adder]

you can manually time it after the fact so you know what time to put on your submission - iirc RTA starts on mode select (or file select if you haven't unlocked steel soul/godhome mode), and ends once the screen goes black after absorbing thk

[lusty scroll]

even recording the screen should normally be ok as long as it isn't illegible

[keen dew]

Okay thank you! I gave the time with loads which i think is correct.

[lusty scroll]

yep!

[keen dew]

Also i thought time began upon dropping in

[hearty adder]

The rules do say "If a console run is submitted to a PC leaderboard then it will be manually timed to the same start/stop points as the autosplitter"

[lusty scroll]

it does on pc, but timing it exactly without autosplit is tough

[hearty adder]

if you got the time wrong in your submission a verifier will just retime the run to get the correct time, don't worry

[keen dew]

I manually cut the highlight to before i clicked the mode, so i think it should be okay

[hearty adder]

did you include the main menu screen?

[keen dew]

No but it’s on the original twitch broadcast

Will that be an issue? Since that will go in like a week

[snow dome]

You need to have the main menu screen, yes

So the patch and top right corner can be seen

[keen dew]

They can see that on a save and quit though which i do at the places to save time

[hearty adder]

It has to be right at the beginning of the run; the only exception is IL runs, which can show it either at the beginning or the end

you can check the Submission rules on the "View rules" button on src

just highlight and submit again, no biggie

[keen dew]

I suppose that’s my fault for not checking the rules. My pc is not great at the while highlight thingy

[normal aspen]

You can just re h8ghlight

As long as the vid hasn't expired

[keen dew]

Yeah it hasn’t yet i shall go do that

Good thing i checked before i let it sit there and disappear oopsie

[lusty scroll]

i swear they allow it at the end of the run too for most categories

[keen dew]

I didn’t capture the end, just the time i got

[snow dome]

They used to allow it whenever, but it was changed

[hallow orchid]

Sorry missed this and it's buried so I'll leave the ping on. The area you can hit that lever is just messed up and shifted left on cp as far as I can tell. It's a pain when you try to hit it but are too far right

[keen dew]

The link should be adjusted to the second highlight showing the start menu. Thanks guys :)

[haughty fossil]

only for ILs since having to reenter on every reset would suck

[old obsidian]

yea it's very kind

[lusty scroll]

huh

ill keep it in mind

[unkempt lagoon]

what am I doing wrong?

[haughty fossil]

3rd jump shouldn't be a full height jump

[unkempt lagoon]

I still hit the goam way to early

[haughty fossil]

yeah you need to have a short hop off the 2nd platform to jump early enough to pogo over the goam

[unkempt lagoon]

?

why does my goam pop up earlier?

[narrow rune]

what about steel soul speedrun without spending geo?

[lusty scroll]

which patch are you on? @unkempt lagoon

[unkempt lagoon]

the images are both on the same jump

the top one is mine

[lusty scroll]

im talking about the hk patch, because cycles can be different

[unkempt lagoon]

1432

[lusty scroll]

got it

[snow dome]

And you're on PC?

[unkempt lagoon]

yep

[snow dome]

Oh you're landing in the wrong place

You need to land on the bottom floor still

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Which video are you using?

[unkempt lagoon]

fireb0rn's any%

but I looked up at some of monstah's runs and they look pretty much the same to me (CP)

[snow dome]

Could you just drop a quick link in here for me

Saves me hunting

[lusty scroll]

ok i run cp i can show you mine?

[unkempt lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLS9SH7MrO0&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH&index=3

ys please

[lusty scroll]

you want to full jump at the little 2 blades of grass, then about 80% jump, then full jump (and maybe pogo under you)

https://clips.twitch.tv/InnocentSullenOrangeANELE-4vxeCqzTrXFXGNuY

[snow dome]

Yep, sorry, my mistake somehow

[lusty scroll]

yeah in the clip the 2nd jump is too late, so you end up being slightly off

you aren't far off

[unkempt lagoon]

I understand that I have to jump as low as possible and still not get hit by the first goam but even the clip in the same pos as mine hasn't started yet @lusty scroll

[snow dome]

Earlier than the other ss you posted

The goam is coming up as you approach the lower platform

[lusty scroll]

they are in the same position, i think the issue is if you see where i land and jump, it is earlier than yours

which then means you land further to the left and can jump higher before passing over the goam

[unkempt lagoon]

is the 2nd jump a full jump?

[lusty scroll]

not quite, its a 'hold down until you clear the goam, then you let go' jump

but it isnt a short one no

i like to jump as i pass over the two grass blades, then you should end up further left on the next +

[twin swallow]

if the goam is popping up earlier than in the reference video, it might just be that you have longer loads than average which can affect cycle-based rooms like this

[stuck raptor]

it's a different patch yeah? fire's video is for 1221

1432 the cycles are different/faster

so you have to be more precise in your movements

[unkempt lagoon]

@stuck raptor beatami's clip is done in 1432, and if you take a screenshot at the aproximate same time you would get this
(top left 1221 - top right mine CP - bottom beatami's CP)

[stuck raptor]

yes, and?

[unkempt lagoon]

how come mine already have the 1st goam popping out and the others both in te ground

[stuck raptor]

the clip you posted of yours, you're jumping very late on the lower platform. and your jump is also too big

[unkempt lagoon]

but if we're all walking left and not letting go how does being in the same x axis change the fact that it's popping out to early?

it's not even about the jump anymore

[stuck raptor]

you also bonked on the ceiling of the first jump

same x axis in that case doesn't mean same time in room

you also had stutter frames in yours. so your game is either not recording smoothly, not running properly, or both

so your physics from those frames could also be slightly different/delayed

but overall, your movements/jumps need to be more precise

they're too floaty

[lusty scroll]

it might also be some weird thing where you have loaded the room beforehand?

that sometimes messes stuff up

[astral forge]

is there a map tool that i can use to plot my routes?

[unkempt lagoon]

it's very likely it's the computer

I get like no frames in lighthouse room

and the ash particles in hornet 2 lag a bit

[stuck raptor]

MS paint

[astral forge]

bruh

is there no online tool?

[stuck raptor]

no

[astral forge]

rip

ok is there a nice full map that i can use to route in MS paint?

[haughty fossil]

there's a folder of psd files on https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

otherwise there's this map I use often https://scripterswar.com/hollowknight/map-sketch

[astral forge]

oh thanks

[dry talon]

Can I get help setting up an auto splitter?

This shit confusing

[hearty adder]

What are you having trouble with?

[dry talon]

Like everything

I got the normal splits working I just dont know where to even start with getting it to do it auto

[hearty adder]

Did you read the guide linked in the pins?

[dry talon]

Nope

[hearty adder]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

[dry talon]

So I'm pretty sure I did everything but it still wont auto split nor show up when I try to play HK

[hearty adder]

Can you show a screenshot of your splits and autosplits?

[dry talon]

Sorry I got distracted bc I think I figured out autosplitter

I didnt know to go into settings and add them

Now I have like 3 Qs if thats ok 😂

[hearty adder]

Sure thing

[dry talon]

1. How do I get it to show while I play bc I cant see it when I do

It said to turn on gobal keys which I did but it still didnt work

[hearty adder]

Make sure Layout is set as Always on Top. Also do what the guide says in the FAQ to set it so you can toggle between fullscreen and borderless windowed with alt + enter

[dry talon]

I do have it set on Always on top and idk what FaQ is

[hearty adder]

the FAQ at the bottom of the guide i linked

[dry talon]

Whoops didnt scroll that far lol sorry

Ok thanks I got that one

Its working now

Next Q is the final auto split I added is beating HK but it said HK Practice so I dont know if thats the right one or naw

[hearty adder]

you don't need an autosplit for that

the timer automatically splits on any game ending

[dry talon]

Oh sweet thanks

So I should delete that?

[hearty adder]

Probably yeah

That split is used for timed practice of the fight generally

it splits before the game ending

[dry talon]

Thank you so much youve been a huge help but can I ask one last Q?

[hearty adder]

Of course

[dry talon]

How do I set my game to younger versions (Mostly for dash slash skips and inventory drops)

[hearty adder]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

Here's the downpatching guide

make sure to read it thoroughtly

[dry talon]

So if I wanna run All Skills NMG, the best patch is 1.2.2.1

?

[hearty adder]

All Skills is most popular on 1221, but it also has separate boards for Current Patch, but the routes are very different due to no lever skips

So if you wanna do the classic lever skip action, go for 1221

[dry talon]

Alright thank you

[snow dome]

Just to confirm, on your layout your last split will be "Kill the hollow knight" but in your settings where you choose the autosplits it will be whatever you have just before you actually beat the game ("breaking the hollow knight chains", or "Abyss Shriek", for example).

[dry talon]

Abyss shreik, Yes

Idk if Im gonna speedrun and record or stream it to be good

Prob just have fun with it

Still gotta practice skips

[hearty adder]

whichever way you go it'll be good, it's all about your personal progress after all

[dry talon]

Sorry to ask for hep again but, "If you used the patching Steam method, the old patch files will be in your Steam install folder under "Steam\SteamApps\content\app_367520" and inside another folder." I cant find this

[haughty fossil]

try copying it directly into your address bar: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520

also that folder will only be made after the download has started

[dry talon]

I finished the downloading

Also

Whats an address bad?

[dry talon]

Oh ok

Does it make a difference if my HK say exe or not?

Bc theirs does and mine doesnt

[haughty fossil]

no it just means you don't have "show file extensions" ticked

just make sure when you make steam_appid it doesn't end in .txt

because w/ file extensions that would be steam_appid.txt.txt

[dry talon]

Mine doesnt so I should be gouda

[stiff marsh]

Hi hi! my first run just got verified on SRC, could I get the blue name please?

[dry talon]

Im pretty sure I did all the steps but my game, I even have the extra new HK on steam but it still isnt downgraded

Whenever I try to load up the downgraded HK on steam it open the normal HK

Can I get some help please?

[haughty fossil]

put a link to your run in and an src mod might get around some time

also the speedrun community has all but moved out of this server, the link to the new one can be found on speedrun.com in the sidebar

[haughty fossil]

can you screenshot the install folder of the downpatched version?

[stiff marsh]

Thanks Jamie, I was wondering how that transfer was working

[haughty fossil]

new server even has groundbreaking feature to get blue name without pinging mods

[dry talon]

Is that what you want?

[haughty fossil]

the steam_appid needs to be on the same level as the hollow_knight executable

also would recommend moving it out of the default folder

[dry talon]

Idk what either of those things mean 😂 sorry

[haughty fossil]

as an example

[dry talon]

Oh so it needs to be there

[haughty fossil]

just drag the downloaded files from the depot_367521 folder to any other folder, and then move steam_appid to that folder too

[dry talon]

Like that?

You can prob tell by now I got no idea what Im doing

[haughty fossil]

the hollow_knight_data folder also

but also downloads is a 🥴 place to put game installs for various reasons

[dry talon]

I made a folder called 1.2.2.1 and put it there

So do you think thats it?

[haughty fossil]

looks fine, you don't need the depotdownpatcher in there but should work just fine

[dry talon]

Alright here goes nothin

It didnt work

Dang

I got that

[haughty fossil]

yeah you moved the install so steam doesn't know where it is anymore

[stuck raptor]

please, for my own sanity, move the game files out of downloads

lol

[haughty fossil]

[dry talon]

I have no idea where to put it, I swear it in its own folder now

[stuck raptor]

put it in a drive location, like C: or D:

or even in a folder on your desktop

literally anywhere but in downloads

[dry talon]

Idk how

[stuck raptor]

downloads is the singular worst place you could put it

you don't know how to copy files

?

or move them?

you just moved them out of the depot folder

[haughty fossil]

click on "this pc", then one of the drives, not the default folders

don't worry about my storage situation

[dry talon]

IT WORKED

Idk if I wanna move it Im so scared it stops working

[stuck raptor]

or even documents

or pictures

or even music

[dry talon]

I moved it to my desktop

[haughty fossil]

tc spaghetti is music to my ears sometimes

[dry talon]

That seemed the easiest

Omg thank yall so much its finally working

[chrome jay]

is there a way to store salubra's/hotspring soul refill ?

through pantheons

with a mms

[unkempt lagoon]

Can somebody link me an Any% CP NMG run that gets shade soul?

[onyx spade]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/p2d5f not a vid but an in depth guide

[unkempt lagoon]

very useful indeed

[snow dome]

Yeah, this is very unfinished

I'm counting these out and I get 2 Seals and a Journal in City. That's 1,100. You need 550 at Lemm; that's 1,650. That means in fungal your looking for relics that total 1,300. That number... Does not exist in 3 relics

Unless one of these seals is a journal instead, and you need 2050. Then it's 2 Idols and a Seal. That... Cannot exist in Fungal

[unkempt lagoon]

@snow dome I think they might of meant 4 and not 3

[snow dome]

Also in this bit you go left, not right.

[unkempt lagoon]

yea noticed that too

I think you get 2 seals and 2 journals in wastes

[snow dome]

Where the heck are they? I know of the journal above Claw

[unkempt lagoon]

Can you get to willoh without wings?

[snow dome]

No

[unkempt lagoon]

hmm

[snow dome]

There's Sporg relic? That's probably a seal

[unkempt lagoon]

this is seals meap

[snow dome]

Yeah, Sporg Seal

[unkempt lagoon]

the one at the bottom requires beating sisters

[snow dome]

If there an Idol?

[weary root]

it does mention well seal

[unkempt lagoon]

nope

[snow dome]

So we have:

Claw Journal
Sporg Seal
Well Seal
Any% City Journal
King's Station Seal
Rafter's Seal

400 + 1,800 = 2,200.

There's a Seal missing. Probably Paum relic