yeah its stupid rare to get decent rng
#speedrunning
onyx spade
meanwhile I bopped glitchy's KP time by 0.01 ๐
normal aspen
yeah i do like all the kp[ runs
digital jewel
55 cp kp is like tas tier
steady lynx
What's cp kp rekky?
normal aspen
shoutouts.20
onyx spade
shoutouts.20
I love how you said this
kind flume
What's cp kp rekky?
Check slower
Ah shit accident
Wrong link
Classic phone problem
haughty fossil
check out my 3rd place wr 
digital jewel
gotta get those 5 youtube views ๐ค
steady lynx
You saying you're faster
normal aspen
every sub xero gets gets us closer to maid outfit stream
onyx spade
also glov, are those spelless splits? ๐
normal aspen
twitter twitch yt i thought
kind flume
Yeah I did one spelless run
steady lynx
Do more
onyx spade
share it!
onyx spade
I missed it dammit
haughty fossil
oh yeah if frame rate cap ruling can be finalised spelless may become like 20 times more bearable because you can do 50fps longnail baldur without vsync input lag
kind flume
I'm ping you next time ;)
normal aspen
@ xero
kind flume
Yeah I did use fps cap, that's why I can't submit
Also I won't submit cause I died a couple times before cloak
pliant lagoon
it is possible to perform a mosquito skip so It can be quicker
kind flume
Where?
pliant lagoon
Like this, it it worth to wait mosquito?
pliant lagoon
XD you can't expect everything is useful
steady lynx
Just play at 800 fps so it zooms
kind flume
They don't change with fps tho
steady lynx
Really? They feel slower on console than cp PC
kind flume
Maybe they have higher acceleration but not top speed?
steady lynx
That sounds weird but it's TC so anything goes
onyx spade
I def thought that they were fps dependent, they go faster at higher fps
kind flume
Hm. But not that fast. Like i didn't always cap and got around 6-700 and they're not zooming nearly the way follies are eg
subtle glade
Like this, it it worth to wait mosquito?
I know all glitches wait for the mosquito to do a super slide, but idk if it's faster if you do it like this
onyx spade
yeah, fps doesn't change their speed drastically, but it's noticeable when comparing pc vs console
kind flume
Fair enough ^^
normal aspen
yeah it still changes, foillys are just a whole new level of affected
digital jewel
it's most noticeable going from 60 to anything higher
kind flume
Been too long since I played on 30hz vsync (thank god)
onyx spade
you used to play at 30hz vsync? 
digital jewel
kind flume
I was unaware >o<
steady lynx
Is 25hz vsync a thing?
kind flume
I'm sure there are tvs with 25 or 24 hz
deep kernel
New PB 4ms!
I'ma just take that I guess ๐ My autosplit for the completed mask wasnt working so I had to split myself and lost 1.5 seconds to Sly, but still lots of improvement possible, like learning a better goam cycle, practicing double spike kill more and mawlek
kind flume
good stuff!
royal whale
digital jewel
wow where is this
are these your friends? that's actually kinda mean unless you're joking around with them
royal whale
royal whale
are these your friends? that's actually kinda mean unless you're joking around w...
no they are joking
..probably...
alpine creek
imagine not running hollow knight on 420 hertz
steady lynx
cool
dreamy bough
re beginner strats : while it is something you should shed eventually, it's really fine to start getting into the runs
as long as you know what is and isn't beginner strats, it's really valid to use strats you need (that don't deviate too much) to make it through and eventually converge to the optimal route
royal whale
i go to mantis village the normal way and that counts as beginner
mossy sapphire
epogo skip is pretty hard, theres no shame of doing the detour
lusty scroll
like when you can't even beat wk's consistently you will get better times with nail1 anyways bc you actually complete runs
although i just beared through the pain on nail0 and i think im better because of it
digital jewel
royal whale
i only ignored her once
and it was a kinda bad run
CURSE OF IGNORING ELDERBUG
why does speedrunners only do 2 fire balls at baldur and not spam 3
magic light
doing 3 staggers baldur
digital jewel
you want him to shoot the younger baldur as fast as possible
if you shoot 3 then the baldur will stagger twice rather than just once and that delays the shot
royal whale
i gotta start using quick cast instead of focus
i will change the buttons F is kinda too far i will make it V
daring coral
personally i have quick cast on right click
i demoted focus to a keyboard button
also, can someone help me fix my obs, i think i have bad settings or something so my files end up being huge
royal whale
you play with mouse?
royal whale
i play with arrows and ZXCASD
daring coral
i know its retro and all but i always hate the arrow keys and bottom left keys
royal whale
what makes you comfortable is the best
i played hollow knight for around 100 hours with these keys so ye im used to them
daring coral
ah fair
im kind of the same i guess, i just get used to what i use
well, i think ive hopefully fixed my obs, time for a run
hopefully dont die a million times in darknest this tim
royal whale
i fixed my obs with one click
daring coral
oh?
daring coral
i think my problem is i was recording 1920 by 1080 at 60 fps
i have fixed this and hopefully shouldnt have a 5gb file this time
anyway, imma start a run now, hopefully sub 1:20, bye
i always forget blue.exe on my first run of the day
without fail
royal whale
my best run is 1 hour 24mins in game time
if i used livesplit it would look faster because idk why livesplit time is less by like 5-10 minutes
signal meadow
my best run is like a low 50 game time
digital jewel
livesplit time is loadless time
the in-game time is basically meaningless
because it doesn't remove load times at all
royal whale
so i technically got sub 1:20?
signal meadow
i know but i use mac so cant have livesplit
digital jewel
so it's not fair
copper egret
shiiiiiiiiiity game
I spent the whole night dealing with this stupid moss charger
copper egret
Why isn't the knight absorb the geo!!!!
steady lynx
60fps jank
steady lynx
Don't trust anything in this game, somehow everything is RNG
steady lynx
It's a flaw with Unity and how it spawns objects
copper egret
ic
copper egret
it will very rarely spawn behind you
So it's rarely happen?
Or the geo always can not be pick up?
digital jewel
I'm talking about when the moss charger spawns behind you instead of in-front
the geo thing I suppose you need to pause slightly to collect it?
royal whale
i still didnt do a single fireball skip yet lol
edgy kiln
lol
copper egret
the geo thing I suppose you need to pause slightly to collect it?
Sorry, I got it wrong lol
leaden python
yeah geo hitbox doesn't spawn right away
jaunty vault
digital jewel
hello
wicked trench
Good Luck 
you don't have to split, the only important part is the ending time
If I'm not wrong consoles uses the game time at the end of the screen, but I'm not sure
digital jewel
it doesn't
soft jolt
New pest WR... Continues to amaze me
shut beacon
Do I need to recorded the main menus for pantheon speedruns?
digital jewel
you can read the rules on speedrun.com
for pantheons you have to show it either at the start or end of the run
shut beacon
Oh Oki thanks
daring coral
sub 1:20 lets goo
18 mins saved from 1st run
1:18:52
look at that gold
youd almost think i practiced hornet or something
royal whale
oh wait that's gold? i thought my thing glitched and made orange better than green now it makes sense
because for me in my mind red<orange<green but its red<green<orange
frozen silo
I have a run on the path of pain leaderboard, can I get the speedrunning role?
daring coral
yeah its probably worth practicing any runs youre going to do
so what run are you doing?
any%?
are you following a route?
digital jewel
I have a run on the path of pain leaderboard, can I get the speedrunning role?
can you link the run
daring coral
fair
are you just going for it or going to practice?
nice
im running All skills
ive done 3 runs and my current pb is 1:18:52
its ok
i think my current goal is 1:10
at that point ill decide wether to double down or try other categories
signal meadow
it doesn't
what does it use?
stuck raptor
Real time
daring coral
correct me if im wrong but isnt console the same timing as pc but manual splits not auto
daring coral
i meant same timer start and end timer
verbal stag
they start and end at different times
stuck raptor
No
daring coral
oh
steady lynx
Start at difficulty select, end at black screen
stuck raptor
Console starts at file select and ends at black screen
daring coral
i guess im just inatentive
stuck raptor
Pc auto starts and ends at slightly different points based on memory values
daring coral
ah ok
steady lynx
Just download Livesplit
elfin vortex
i heard some enemies move faster
From what I've been told flying enemies speed increases with the fps
U probs figured it out by now but eh. It auto starts when u enter a new game (ofc if ur running something like PoP u need to manually hit it) but its not complicated. Check fireb0rns setup vid for more info
daring coral
in that case i think you need to do splits manually
yeah thats fine then
oof
cant submit without a recording as far i i know
oof
yeah, honestly id never have finished learning if i was on console
the debug mod is just so helpful for practicing
id recomend practicing the full run slowly before trying a timed run
like follow a tutorial and practice each bit a few times
like i'd recomend learning the main fireball skip in greenpath or at least the pogo backup
thats fair
whats your route?
digital jewel
you get monarch wings to skip beasts den?
proper ivy
Thereโs really a category for killing a great hopper?
haughty fossil
yeah because it shows off a really painful cool couple of skips
daring coral
how long does it usually take to get a run verified btw?
haughty fossil
usually around 3-4 days at the most
proper ivy
Couldnโt you just do shade skip to get there?
haughty fossil
yes but the shade skip fireball only is hard
haughty fossil
otherwise you'd need to go get dash which takes a while
there's another shade skip once you're in edge to get past a tall wall (or a very difficult pogo off an aspid w/ vsync on i think somebody labbed)
proper ivy
That sounds painful
daring coral
uhhh
help
i just broke the dream nail dreamers cutscene
im just floating upside down
is this dead run?
or recoveralbe
no inputs work
jagged vault
it happens when you're not fully grounded as you interact with the statue
jagged vault
so make sure to let dash animations finish fully
and make sure to be fully on the ground
yyeah
daring coral
joy
jagged vault
unfortunately it's a softlock
daring coral
i was only 2 minutes ahead anyway
jagged vault
got that pace once, can do it again! โค๏ธ
daring coral
and those 2 are last runs mistakes not this runs skill
also
is it worth focusing more on learning movement or my big timesaves?
jagged vault
the big timesaves i'd say
daring coral
like how much do the small things actually add up over a run
jagged vault
they are significant as well, but they often come with time too
daring coral
thats fair
jagged vault
practicing the most choked points as well as doing segment practice now and then is useful
so when starting out you maybe wanna focus on the hard boss fights and skips to make sure you can get through consistently
daring coral
yeah, my current pb grinds soul for health in peaks which is slightly suboptimal
jagged vault
and watch other runs and runners for inspiration is also a good idea
daring coral
and im still benching in dirtmouth before peaks so that i have less penalty for dying
good point
jagged vault
what category are you running?
daring coral
AS
jagged vault
oh, nice!
daring coral
so normaly its a benchwarp to spire
but i bench in dirtmouth for safety and just take the timeloss
but if i can just get good at peaks then thats at least 1 free minute
and i still mess up spire pogo sometimes
and i need to practice hornet
those are my main timesaves i think
also, i keep forgetting to switch to chineese, how much time is that in as?
jagged vault
in all skills it's around 10-15 seconds
not very significant due to skipping both sly and lemm
which are the two main dialogue times in most runs
daring coral
so less time than picking the wrong stag
jagged vault
picking the wrong stag loses 5 seconds ish
daring coral
wait really? only that much
jagged vault
yes, the timer is paused during the travel cutscene due to being a load
meager badger
has Hollow Knight God home ever been a recognized category
where you run through the entirety of god home (all 5 pantheons)
strong vessel
Well, there's 112%
meager badger
wouldn't mind seeing someone do that, I could try it myself... but I would suck at it
strong vessel
Where you do the whole game first then run through all five pantheons
meager badger
guess that would make my idea redundant
strong vessel
And also Godhome Ending, which is a lot less popular but it's just getting Embrace the Void as quickly as possible
digital jewel
I think the reason why nobody has run that is that doing p1-4 and then p5 is redundant
daring coral
yeah, that sounds like just doing the same thing twice for the most part
digital jewel
and pantheon speedruns are very reset heavy
daring coral
also, is speedrunning p5 easier than just completing it normally? it feels like a stupid question but i also imagine learning optimal strats and stuff would make it easier? idk
digital jewel
doesn't make it easier no
median gull
I wouldn't say easier than completing normally, having 9 masks is very comfy
digital jewel
pantheon strats are very risky
daring coral
oh ok
ive never actually managed p5
its very annoying
i did 1 and 2 all bindings (individually) so i could get the lifeblood, but it really didnt help at all
elfin vortex
ive never actually managed p5
What are u struggling with?
daring coral
nkg
i can do him radiant in practice
but i cant get him after like 30 mins of relative autopilot
i imagine pv would be the same
and ive never even seen abs rad in game
elfin vortex
Understandable. My play does decline after doing something again and again in one sitting (rad abs rad cough cough) but if thats whats causing ur deaths its probs best to just pause when u get there and take a short break or something
daring coral
thats fair
but also im usually shit at most bosses unless ive just done them
like when im in the sisters of battle groove i can slaughter them but in a run they usually hit me a good few times and nearly kill me occasionally
elfin vortex
Ig maybe u need to find how to appropriately adapt ur playstyle to each boss then. Could be ur charm build too cuz being able to use a specific build for each boss in HoG vs using 1 build for several bosses makes a difference.
daring coral
nah i use the same charms for everything
once i have them i get dependent on pride and quickslash
and then strength feels like the natural adittion
snow dome
Done P5 once, and recently got killed by Pure Vessel after I killed it and one of its attacks went off after it died and my HUD had disappeared. Not gone back to Godhome since then. ๐
daring coral
big oof
snow dome
My one clear was the second time I attempted it, though, and I got a bottles PV.
Not touching it until 1.5 comes out and I've had a lot more practice doing a full game run.
daring coral
1.5?
elfin vortex
P5 is annoying casually cuz of how long it takes. It really is just boring af (casually) until the end
daring coral
does the game still get updates?
elfin vortex
Its gonna get a new patch i think
elfin vortex
Apparently its gonna fix dashmaster and patch out some stuff used in speedrunning like quick kill crystal guardian
digital jewel
when you hold a diagonal, dashmaster dashes down
elfin vortex
Its gonna be fixed to make horizontal movement override any other movement cuz lots end up accidentally down dashing
digital jewel
it'll be changed to dash horizontally instead
daring coral
oh yeah that is annoying
i think i used dashmaster like twice ever tbh
theres a lot of charms ive never touched
elfin vortex
PoP runs may get faster with 1.5
daring coral
nice
elfin vortex
i think i used dashmaster like twice ever tbh
Hated it in casual but love it now that i run the game
daring coral
though if speedrun stuff is being fixed, some of the hitboxes PoP uses might be fixed no?
digital jewel
may get faster because cycles could change do you mean?
daring coral
isnt there at least one instance of them standing somewhere they definetly shouldnt?
snow dome
I went to 106 because Dashmaster and Godhome were doing me in. I genuinely thought 1221 would have a working Dashmaster because I just assumed everything from QoL was 1221. ๐
elfin vortex
though if speedrun stuff is being fixed, some of the hitboxes PoP uses might be ...
Maybe. Probs not.
daring coral
i meant that might be fixed
snow dome
Some hazard stuff might be changed, but that's something we'll have to see.
People will generally play the fastest patch anyway
daring coral
honestly i feel like most speedrun tricks shouldnt be changed, if it wont affect casuals then all fixing them does is make speedrunners unable to use the new stuff if it doesnt make up for the lost time
elfin vortex
Fuck this is making me want to lower my shitty PoP time. Picked it up originally for channel access cuz 112 takes a while but its really grown on me ngl
elfin vortex
honestly i feel like most speedrun tricks shouldnt be changed, if it wont affect...
This tbh. Its just annoying
daring coral
i might give it a go i guess
how is it run?
i imagine you dont play all the way to white palace every tim
elfin vortex
how is it run?
Messing up cycles is annoying. U play using saves on src.
daring coral
src?
elfin vortex
elfin vortex
Yeah theres a PoP save for PoP runs on there (only for pc obvs)
Console players just play it normally but add a 2s time penalty
elfin vortex
do they not have to fresh file every time?
They dont. I think ps is an exception tho
simple goblet
I created a route for pacifist CP. I ended up with 20 kills but it that is probably wrong in some way to feedback would be cool.
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uL5woxsgbIlrMRwxzqfhPKPutuA185XCglJQRu1sL2M/edit?usp=sharing
grizzled maple
No the spiny husk needles actually do not hit you on 1221.
elfin quartz
nearly got my first sub 45 any% (not the /best/ time I know but featuring passing QGA first try which I was proud of!) but livesplit beefed it on THK? has anyone had livesplit record dying to THK as finishing the game before?
grizzled maple
Theyre on the wrong layer and its hilarious. Its a free soul farming spot just before deepnest in any%
grizzled maple
nearly got my first sub 45 any% (not the /best/ time I know but featuring passin...
Do you have this recorded? There might still be a bug with the autosplitter. What should fix it in most cases is using ordered splits. Its a check box in the auto split settings. You should use it anyway honestly since it's less pc intensive.
elfin quartz
Theyre on the wrong layer and its hilarious. Its a free soul farming spot just b...
I wasn't recording TT but that wasn't checked, ty
grizzled maple
Ah yeah the hitbox is smaller than it looks. I think on cp they made it more accurate.
copper egret
How fast theoretically to pick up 170geo from two moss knight and geo rocks?
copper egret
I need to collect 1070 geo on ismas route, I might need 160 more geo besides the certain geo ,budul75, aspid 10, false knight9,moss knight40, grus mother64. wk 655, beast nest 43, so I was wondering if I will collect the geo from all skills two moss knight 170, or collect the geo somewhere else.
We have already gotten 95 geo after we skilled budul 2 in our tas
And fk the geo hitbox lol
raven holly
I think doing the moss knights loses about 10s with good rng compared to just skipping them
with bad rng I would wager like 12 or 13 seconds maybe?
sterile gale
though if speedrun stuff is being fixed, some of the hitboxes PoP uses might be ...
screw hitboxes I just want to stand on thorns
copper egret
I think doing the moss knights loses about 10s with good rng compared to just sk...
thanks
daring coral
wait hk has a tas
thats so cool
i swear i was told it was for some reason un tas able
daring coral
screw hitboxes I just want to stand on thorns
steel boots charm
you can now frame perfect jump on enemies and hazards
verbal stag
i swear i was told it was for some reason un tas able
it was untasable until very recently
daring coral
what changed?
jagged vault
people figured out how to manipulate game rng through using the system clock along with libTAS
jagged vault
with limitations, yes
i believe every action changes the rng you get still, just consistently
so TASing is still very hard and time consuming to do, and it will probably take a bit still before we see fullgame tases pop up
daring coral
sad
ive always liked tasses
never have the dedication to make a good one myself
very impressed by the people who do
jagged vault
there are already a few
most notably, a king's pass TAS, Pantheon 5 TAS and Path of Pain TAS
jagged vault
some on yt, some on Bilibili (which is like china's yt variant, due to yt being banned there. a significant portion of the TASers are part of the chinese hk community)
daring coral
oh ok
daring coral
thanks, ill watch later
jagged vault
https://b23.tv/a8vk9o another p5 one
daring coral
also holy fuck isnt that like half normal time
jagged vault
current p5 world record is i wanna say 18 minutes?
normal aspen
Yeah think so
jagged vault
also holy fuck isnt that like half normal time
you might be thinking of the times that are achieved in runs like 112%
where we understandably don't use fury of the fallen or overcharm
daring coral
oh yeah that makes sense
daring coral
yeah doesnt sound fun to do a boss gauntlet at 1 mask
jagged vault
yeah people often as about why we don't use fury in 112 without realizing that pantheon IL runs are some of the most reset heavy out there
daring coral
god the more i learn about speedrunning the more and more impressed i get
dusk portal
yeah people often as about why we don't use fury in 112 without realizing that p...
And Pantheon IL runs have Lifeblood too iirc
jagged vault
yeah. good point
copper egret
It looks like I made the most of tases, but the p5 tases are more complex than what I did
Now I am making any% tas with zippy together, so it's a collaboration tas
copper egret
We stuck at the geo of this route
We still need to stop the tas and optimze the geo collection
jagged vault
i'd imagine the tas could shave off a lot of time on geo gathering, right? like, being able to do stuff like the petra arena geo without losing time, and getting consistent drop patterns
is the geo flight direction able to be manipulated with system clock as well?
copper egret
Just change the way of the last slash, then geo flight will be changed
Like jump before the last slash
jagged vault
oh, so every small action affects the pattern?
copper egret
Yes
subtle glade
But like if the movement is the same can you change the geo flight with clock
jagged vault
not change, but keep it consistent right?
subtle glade
I mean yes
copper egret
But like if the movement is the same can you change the geo flight with clock
Not exactly
jagged vault
if i understand it correctly the system clock manipulation lets you make it so the same exact pattern of movements will lead to the same rng every time
subtle glade
I think so, because if some things work with clock, that would mean the seed for rng is made from the system clock, so everything that's random would be affected by the clock right?
copper egret
So it's called sync
subtle glade
Do you guys know how the seed for hk is created? It's a thing that I wanted to know for a while lol
From what you've said so far I would guess it's some combination of inputs and clock?
jagged vault
i guess the fsm of bosses and enemies plays a part as well
although that aspect can be worked around with the use of sync
subtle glade
What's fsm? I don't really know most of the acronyms
copper egret
there is no seed actually
There is only system time
Same system time you open the game, same movement you input, then it will sync
that's how tas works
So if I post my movie here, you can run the movie on your own computer
I mean on your game
subtle glade
I mean seed as in when you initialize a randomness function you use a seed as an argument
For example this is a randomness function affected by the system clock in c#:
Random rng = new Random(DateTime.Now.Day);
Or something like that
Idk how it works in unity
subtle glade
So I was thinking what's used there in hollow knight, so if you said inputs and the clock affect the randomness, then I guess the seed for the rng function is a combination of inputs and the system clock
copper egret
I don't know how it works exactly either
copper egret
So I was thinking what's used there in hollow knight, so if you said inputs and ...
Yes, only these two things matter
subtle glade
I wonder if it's all the inputs or a specific few
But for that you would have to decompile, and I have no clue how to do that lol
haughty fossil
afaik all rng calls will return the same order of outputs while running the tas: the problem is your inputs will change what order those rng calls happen in
subtle glade
Yea, the rng calls will be the same because the seed will be the same, but I'm wondering if all of the inputs matter
haughty fossil
like if you load an enemy at the top of the screen that takes an rng call to decide what to do, then the next rng call will be different to if you never loaded the enemy
subtle glade
True, for the same results you would have to trigger randomness the same amount of times too
snow dome
From the sounds of it it uses the system clock as a seed number, so if you do two rooms identically, you'll get identical RNG, but if you add one extra event to the first room (ie. an enemy gets one extra moment to decide whether or not to attack etc) then room 2 will be an entirely new set of RNG. (Alongside every RNG dependant thing after that new unique event.)
copper egret
yes
So if you see knight did something unnecessary in the tases, like mini jump, slash, it is changing the rng of next room or boss
Sounds like how time machine works lol
snow dome
Huh, those create RNG things?
I suppose it doesn't have to be an RNG event, it literally just has to ask the game to do something.
digital jewel
I need to collect 1070 geo on ismas route, I might need 160 more geo besides the...
You might be able to route this 170 geo faster from city of tears enemies
royal whale
somehow i get better at grenepath and worse at vengeful spirit
i lost like 5-10 seconds from my personal best at vengeful spirit and got 30 seconds won at greenpath
OMG I DID THE SPIKE AND HIT BOTH ASPIDS THING
and of course i die my duckin luck
when when i reset the personal bests don't register
like i got a personal best but i died and that would lose me like 5 minutes to come back so i reset and its like i never did that run
snow dome
"Personal best" is the best times from your best final time
jagged vault
are you sure you have the comparison set to that?
royal whale
he gave me a mini baldur on the 9th spit 
snow dome
"Best segments" is "Best time you ever got on that segment"
If you reset you won't have a Pb
jagged vault
and yeah as tami said, it only saves finished PBs
snow dome
I found it very good for me to finish actual runs rather than reset a lot, fwiw.
Everybody is different, but it helped me a lot to just focus on finishing
copper egret
You might be able to route this 170 geo faster from city of tears enemies
Alright, how about the time lost, I guess I will waste more than 10s if I collect these geo from city of tears
digital jewel
don't you need 1170* geo
not 1070?
Shaman Stone - 220
Nail upgrade - 250 (470)
Ancient Basin bench - 150 (620)
King's Station stag - 300 (920)
Distant Village stag - 250 (1170)
sonic cargo
Hey, how do I play on not current patch for speedrunning?
ripe drift
downpatch the version but I am currently struggling as well
I cant locate the old patch I downloaded although I downloaded it already through steam console
haughty fossil
Hey, how do I play on not current patch for speedrunning?
guide is in the pins
digital jewel
did you check the location that the guide says it should be
ripe drift
yes
digital jewel
and there's nothing there at all?
ripe drift
I looked in my steam folder and I even looked under the path it said in the guide
but theres nothing at all
Depot download complete : "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521" (1225 files, manifest 648876203478229944)
ExecCommandLine: ""C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe" -foreground"
[436520]Non-Steam Controller Configs Enabled: 1
I got this as output from steam console
digital jewel
ok
well it should be at
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521
digital jewel
trying just going there manually if pasting the address doesn't work
ripe drift
I cant find it manually tho
knotty vigil
I have a verified run for path of pain, can i get the speedrunner role ?
Here's my run https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/z1rov79m
ripe drift
ok thx your path worked
ripe drift
now I just need to figure out how to have multiple patches
like do I need to make a folder in the path u just sent me?
and copy them there ig?!
haughty fossil
follow the rest of the install section on the guide
ripe drift
yea but I am stupid I dont understand the guide
lmao
thats why am asking here in the first place bcuz I dont know shit abt tech in the first place I just got my new PC yesterday and before I played on laptop
Ill see if I can do it myself but thx for the help
:3
copper egret
Shaman Stone - 220
Nail upgrade - 250 (470)
Ancient Basin bench - 150 (620)
King...
wut? Ancient bench 150? I thought that would need 50
So the geo route become more difficult lol
digital jewel
I'm sorry
copper egret
Shoot
steady lynx
Just run on console so ancient basin bench is slower
haughty fossil
unfortunately even for console this bench would be faster for the shade skip
copper egret
I miscalculate the geo all the time
steady lynx
Oh true
haughty fossil
i usually make a full spreadsheet for geo counts when i'm routing a new cat
then you can add/change different sources that you find faster
ripe drift
ok I got it
copper egret
ic
ripe drift
thx for help
copper egret
But for tas, I can't run again and again, it can't be changed when it was done unless rewrite
haughty fossil
yeah but generally you route everything first then put it all together. geo routing is hard and you can change your mind a lot before even starting a run
copper egret
I am not a speedrunner, so it seems so hard for me to optimize the geo route
haughty fossil
iirc insomnia had a route out for save myla, which did go through sanctum for spell twister to make mag skip not horrible but i don't think he killed the soul warrior for geo
copper egret
Wow, awesome
digital jewel
So you have 95 after baldur 2. Guaranteed geo you mentioned are:
-40 moss knight
-64 gruz mother
-655 watcher knights
-43 stalking devout
This means you need 273 geo more.
copper egret
So you have 95 after baldur 2. Guaranteed geo you mentioned are:
-40 moss knight...
Yes, that's true
digital jewel
you can collect some from the 2 moss chargers and the mantis that guards the lever below claw. which you'll kill anyway
moss chargers are 8 each and the mantis is 12
copper egret
And 7 geo from moss charger 1
digital jewel
ok that's good
copper egret
It's too hard to collect all 8
digital jewel
that's fair
copper egret
Since the hitbox of geo
digital jewel
if you kill moss knights and geo rocks for 170 and try and get as much as you can from the other sources, then you can see what your geo is after buying shaman stone
and then you can collect the rest you need quickly from city of tears enemies
copper egret
ic๏ผso 170 moss Knight is a good choice right?
digital jewel
yeah I think so
copper egret
And I can kill mantis on the way to dashmaster
copper egret
How about the 43geo in e logo room?
digital jewel
no you won't need that
copper egret
ic
digital jewel
for a TAS this room will give 38 geo for under 2s most likely
copper egret
Then let's do the calculation again
digital jewel
this room has 42 geo. not sure how long it will take. maybe more like 3-4s
copper egret
for a TAS this room will give 38 geo for under 2s most likely
But I only see 29 in this room on 1432
digital jewel
I think cowardly husks are 11 and husk dandies are 9
copper egret
I never get here on 1221
digital jewel
maybe you're right
copper egret
Don't worry, this tas is based on 1221
digital jewel
also if you really need geo right at the end, you can collect some that drops during mantis petra arena
but because the TAS is written from the start I wouldn't count on it
copper egret
Sorry, what is mantus petra arena?
copper egret
ic
digital jewel
sometimes geo from the right petra falls on this platform and you can collect it while waiting for the gate
digital jewel
you will most likely have enough without it
see how much you have when you're up to shade skip
then you can make a more precise plan
copper egret
Yes
So it will be
14 from 2 moss charger
24 from 2 mantis
170 from moss Knight
38 from the room above king station
40 from the bottom of spire
20 from the switch
They are 306 geo
Oh, and I will kill 3 balloons during the ismas skip
copper egret
And I want the geo turn to 0 at last
digital jewel
copper egret
It seems hard haha
digital jewel
you might be stuck at beast's den for a long time trying to get 0 exactly lol
neon valley
I have a verified run for Pantheon of the Knight: Any% - Any Bindings , can i get the speedrunner role ? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/m7d5804m
copper egret
Then 43 geoand 0 geo is easy to get lol
nocturne mist
are minor visual mods like custom knights allowed in runs?
royal whale
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
kind flume
30 minute timesave! gg!
royal whale
should i set compare to personal best or best segments
kind flume
it's up to you. most people compare to pb
royal whale
ye i put pb
the 30 min save was watcher knights first try uumuu second try and THK third try lol
its ussaly the opposite
3rd try wk and second try uumuu and first try THK
but im happy with that i wish i recorded that :/
is there a way for me to get sub 1 hour? i think the only way is to give up on nail upgrade
or doing fireball skips or doing explotion pogo to mantis village
copper egret
Congratulations
royal whale
isnt nail upgrade accualy worth it because bosses die faster ?
so it actually save time?
snow dome
It is not time save, no
It takes a long time to get it, and the extra damage doesn't save much time overall.
royal whale
should i start not getting it?
snow dome
3 nail hits + VS is your ideal output. Nail 1 adds 12 damage, going from 35 damage to 47.
royal whale
i will train on explotion pogo for the moment
snow dome
You should start not getting it as soon as you feel comfortable. It's probably the biggest time sink in your run. Get the rest down first, though, and you can practice Watchers and THK without and when you're happy work it into your run
royal whale
how can i train on watcher and thk without being in a run
because godhome is with pure nail and evne i did nail binding p4 it would still be 13 damage instead of 5
kind flume
check pins for debug mod guides
ripe drift
Man the fireball skips are so hard
I always shoot it to the left not the right
although I try to turn mid air
and if I manage to turn mid air its still not quite enough with the fireball
sudden abyss
cosmic garnet
how could someone beat hollow knight in 15 minutes
digital jewel
you can do it in 9
echo prawn
hello
digital jewel
hi
ripe drift
How do I fix when I softlock after collecting vengeful spirit in 1.2.2.1
digital jewel
how do you softlock?
leaden python
yeah it's a known bug on 1221. For 
๐ reasons the game only accepts default keybingings on keyboard to wake up there
strong vessel
Just use default keyboard bindings then
hearty adder
imagine not using wasd for movement ๐ค
hushed orchid
So Im kind of interested in seeing someone speedrun this mod...
It would be cool to see all the new tricks that come out since alot of the old tricks can't be used. Any thoughts?
I think it would be more similar to low percent then any percent speedruns but I don't speedrun hollow knight much so I want other opinions.
strong vessel
Quato just did a low% all bindings run the other day
hushed orchid
Where is this?! I'd love to see it lol. I really want to see all these all binding mod runs. I'd love to see some of these lol
analog monolith
Where is this?! I'd love to see it lol. I really want to see all these all bindi...
subtle glade
What's the chance for uumuu to do an extra attack?
copper egret
Why didn't I trigger it on 1221?
subtle glade
Don't you have to hit it?
copper egret
I think no
subtle glade
Well I know it wakes if you hit it
twin swallow
the first time you enter the room you have to hit or walk past until the gate closes
subsequent times he just wakes up on approach
subtle glade
Best rng would be for him to jump away so that one of your fireballs double hits
twin swallow
most people will do 1 nail swing, then do as above with 2 fireballs
different people have different setups to encourage the jump back
subtle glade
I think they are doing a tas, that's why they are asking about best rng
copper egret
yes
twin swallow
I was about to say "there's RNG here?" and then I remember this is HK and everything is RNG
copper egret
Is possible that I shoot two no pause fireball and get one double?
subtle glade
Check the 4th place any% player, idk if that's no delay but it's the best I found
digital jewel
he will consistently jump back if you're close to him and jump at a certain timing
copper egret
So the pause is necessary?
copper egret
saves like 0.08s then no double
digital jewel
no double is faster?
leaden python
no double can't be faster because of soul collection in the next room
leaden python
does backhit on flying vengefly will save time if you have to adjust yourlself for it?
like if it's too high you just walk past it and can't wait for it to be in a good position 
I guess if you can manage to collect all the soul with only turning around on vengeflies that are in a good position then it should work
copper egret
double save 0.08s then nodouble
digital jewel
oh nice
twin swallow
gaming
leaden python
I think discord can only embed mp4
twin swallow
yeah
copper egret
lol
copper egret
frigid rapids
double save 0.08s then nodouble
does this timing also take into account the extra knockback you get from casting a 3rd fireball?
copper egret
two turnarounds are pretty poggers at the beginning tho
There are hundreds of turnaround slash before I get dash lol
leaden python
frigid rapids
i wouldn't be surprised if there are still turnaround slashes even after you get dash
copper egret
does this timing also take into account the extra knockback you get from casting...
No, I only caculate it at the point it die
so maybe it can only save 0.02 or less
And This is the fk room lol, tons of turnarounds
digital jewel
how possible do you think it will be in future to make rng easier to work with?
leaden python
fist clink on the gate is super laggy
copper egret
how possible do you think it will be in future to make rng easier to work with?
it must be the best rng , or a good one at least
frigid rapids
yeah the end doesn't look right
leaden python
pre-jump during 4th hit should be faster right?
frigid rapids
it should
and also there is a turn around strat right at the end
which should optimally be faster
leaden python
maybe with backhit on the plat at the bottom yeah
copper egret
no
frigid rapids
copper egret
cuz you don't wanna the hard fall
frigid rapids
i timed this to be faster than the other strat optimally
but it's as precise as a human can get, obviously
copper egret
turnaround only save 0.02s
yes, I tested every strat
and the Inventory drop is the slowest one
We added two up slash here to drop faster
frigid rapids
upslashes don't have an impact on your fall speed tho, do they?
copper egret
And cuz the 4th up slash, the knight can't jump higher at first
copper egret
upslashes don't have an impact on your fall speed tho, do they?
No, a Tiny time save
even lower than 1 frame lol
copper egret
Did save the time
frigid rapids
even if it's less than 1 frame (at 50fps i guess?) a lot of upslashes are free to do
frigid rapids
k
copper egret
I am afraid to dealing with hornet haha
I realized I should do the pre jump before 4th slash, you are right
How stupid I am
frigid rapids
I am afraid to dealing with hornet haha
Krythom is doing an any% nmms tas, and she recently had to deal with hornet (cause the route goes to hornet first)
the fight is dope
easier to optimise than in any% nmg tho cause they don't have the fireball then
digital jewel
I think optimal fight has one needle throw and the rest are doubles
perhaps with TAS nail timing doubles aren't worth it?
frigid rapids
we know that hornet triples are a thing
i think we have one video evidence of it at least?
copper egret
We will study this fight
frigid rapids
I can't find any discussion about hornet triples so maybe i'm just making up things
digital jewel
you want her to die on the ground to trigger the end earlier
and you want to avoid staggers if you can't get double hits I think? because the freeze frames
so maybe a corner fight with 2 needle throws will be optimal
copper egret
for bosses, I only did any radiance tases, so zippy will do hornet fight
copper egret
so maybe a corner fight with 2 needle throws will be optimal
ic ,it sounds the same at p5
copper egret
No, I didn't make the p5 tas
I know samething about it cuz we are all in chinese hk community lol
digital jewel
ok
frigid rapids
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431954544419667971/816729871546843136/rec...
actually, regarding this strat, i didn't read my notes fully and in the end i actually found it to be slower so i'm just very dumb
digital jewel
yes this is why I hope the rng can be fixed in a different way
100% optimised TAS requires revisiting older sections
if you tried to do this now you'll go insane
random pelican
is there any way to get a pantheon of hallownest livesplit save downloaded, or do i have to manually do everything?
haughty fossil
oh you mean splits oop
you can ask somebody for splits if there's any p5 runners around rn but i'd just do them 
jagged vault
yeah i sent mine
halcyon dragon
Hi guys, i want to get into speedrunning, any good tutorials on how to install debug mod?
elfin vortex
Check #archived-modding-help pins but basically just download modinstaller 1/2 and download debug through it
halcyon dragon
Thanks!
simple goblet
what is a good amount of nail hits and fireballs to get an uumuu 2 cycle with nail one
copper egret
I realized I should do the pre jump before 4th slash, you are right
Zippy said that he had tested it, and it almost the same time
Feel better now
boreal gate
Jzsj
true palm
what is a good amount of nail hits and fireballs to get an uumuu 2 cycle with na...
hope you dont mind the ping but nail 1 doesnt help a whole lot with uumuu two cycle, you can afford to not double on each cycle or miss one fireball, but you should still try and get the normal rotation (the numbers: Uumuu HP [300] Nail0 [5] Nail1 [9] VS w/ Shamans [20], and the optimal rotation is 6 nailswings and 6 vs)
you will still likely need to get all 6 nailswings both cycles otherwise you miss the swing and a vs
so your goal should be getting 6 nailswings and 5 vs each cycle
if you're doing nail one strats tbh dont stress the two cycle too much
hollow tiger
For low%
Why don't we just wait and kill the small fluke things near flukemarm
For the essence
verbal stag
low% doesnt need essence, if you're talking about low% true ending then getting to that area requires dive which adds multiple %s
steady lagoon
It's ok
royal whale
finnaly i cleared my lazyness and got 1.4.3.2
what did you guys say about spore shroom>shaman stone?
royal whale
so i use shaman stone until im going to deepnest?
digital jewel
no because you want shaman stone for beasts den
royal whale
because i can't do queen's garden acid skip
digital jewel
you switch on the bench when leaving beast's den
royal whale
oh ok that makes sense
ripe drift
Is it normal that the mini baldurs in ancestral mount roll so short in 1.2.2.1?
like they roll for like a few pixels and then stop after
I always get hit by the one with the spikes above
digital jewel
no, you must have really high framerate for that to happen
you can use a program like riviatuner to cap your framerate
digital jewel
that's your computer monitor refresh rate
ripe drift
ah
ripe drift
is high framerate bad in these speedruns?
digital jewel
usually high is good, but because of baldurs and some other enemies that are affected, it's better to cap it
ripe drift
I see
digital jewel
300 is my choice for framerate cap
but anything from 250-300 will feel pretty similar
subtle glade
Where's PoP on src? I can't find it
subtle glade
Got it, thanks
normal aspen
Speedrunnig has mostly moved to the new discord, a link to it is pinned in #sr-offtopic
daring coral
oh ok
subtle glade
Speedrunnig has mostly moved to the new discord, a link to it is pinned in <#441...
I don't see that channel, is it possible it's for blue names only?
subtle glade
So I have to get a run to even be on the speedrunning discord? Weird
jagged vault
for now
once the transition period is over, it'll be open to anyone with an interest in speedrunning, verified run or not
this temporary thing is just to make sure that the new server doesn't get flooded while we set it up etc
finite portal
hey quick question: is the no cdash and no isma teacher archives considered a major glitch?
like using that weird wallcling storage
with the uumuu gate
jagged vault
yes
according to the wallcling storage rules, any skip that allows you to reach an area which is not available with the current state of the room and character is banned
normal aspen
So I have to get a run to even be on the speedrunning discord? Weird
its also linked on Hollow Knight's speedrun.com page
finite portal
according to the wallcling storage rules, any skip that allows you to reach an a...
i was thinking on a new route with wings and dark deepenest but nvm
its a mg
normal aspen
yoiu wouldnt be able to get out anyway so u would be fucked
jagged vault
dreamgate routing Kappa
normal aspen
Just run nmms tbh tbh
finite portal
yoiu wouldnt be able to get out anyway so u would be fucked
i mean, u can just savequit on the bench
like on top of the teacher archives
normal aspen
Yeah otherwise no category would walk out of monomon
finite portal
do u guys think that cp is better for starter speedrunners?
normal aspen
That moss knight kill is sick
copper egret
thanks haha
normal aspen
I wonder if it's remotely rta viable
haughty fossil
once the transition period is over, it'll be open to anyone with an interest in ...
correcting this: A link to the new discord is on speedrun.com in the sidebar. anyone can use that link to join.
copper egret
I wonder if it's remotely rta viable
You can give it a shot
normal aspen
going to bed now but ill try tomorrow
leaden python
holyshit that fb into pogo-fb looks really sick
copper egret
haha
simple goblet
so is this tas going to be isma's tear route
copper egret
so is this tas going to be isma's tear route
right
copper egret
god damn the tas is so cool
Thanks haha
elfin vortex
do u guys think that cp is better for starter speedrunners?
Depends on your opinion tbh. Cp got rid of alot of 1221 stuff like quick kill baldur, middair inv dropping but 1221 performs worse and im pretty sure it has some odd quirks (i say that but i dont run 1221 so yh)
simple goblet
hope you dont mind the ping but nail 1 doesnt help a whole lot with uumuu two cy...
I forgot to say it was cp
small forge
Just got my PB hype
heady walrus
and irritation
i managed to beat HK in 2h but my entire run recording got corrupted
and i lost it all
small forge
i know your pain
royal whale
i didnt relize that the nail upgrade didnt take like much time at all
between gorgeous husk and nail upgrade is only 2 minutes
i will still remove it anyways
and i added spore shroom under uumuu instead
i have a question
for THK do i just put spore shroom or over charm myself with shaman stone
digital jewel
just spore shroom
simple goblet
Is this a good way to do uumuu 2 cycle nail 1 CP
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-RQNmizbW8VA5XJVPag_H6QtAirC08_A/view?usp=sharing
royal whale
i want to learn to 2 cycle uumuu
restive escarp
It's my very first time doing a speedrun of HK is it good ?
shut beacon
gg nice
restive escarp
thx
royal whale
my first time speedrunning hk was 3 hours 30 mins (around a week ago)
now i have 1 hour 8 mins
shut beacon
yea mine was like 2 hours 20 or somethin
royal whale
so that's a good start
royal whale
It's my very first time doing a speedrun of HK is it good ?
how did you get 29% in only 2 hours
livid stirrup
I'm slowly but surely learning how to get double hits on thk and I'm so proud of my progress
Haven't gotten the real scream skip yet, mostly bc I'm too scared and don't trust myself ๐ but getting there
jagged vault
progress!
true palm
a friend says they tried transferring their hollow knight save from switch to pc, but the user1.dat file is apparently corrupted... how would one go about doing this correctly?
grizzled maple
I dont think they're interchangeable
stuck raptor
^
The encoding is a different format
You have to use the online save editor to move them between platforms
true palm
what save editor would you recommend?
true palm
Thanks for the help!
viscid plover
just submitted my first timed run of any%, very happy with the time i got considering it was my first proper full run
short veldt
My first ever speedrunning practice was a success. Spent 3 hours on it and most of it went to the greenpath fireball skip. At least I can do it now.
simple goblet
you could do the squirt pogo
sweet night
how to get blue name ?
simple goblet
you have to submit an HK speedrun to speedrun.com then ask
sweet night
thank you
grizzled maple
We have a new server that you can reach from speedrun.com. these chats aren't really active anymore
sweet night
thank you
steady oar
Hi
I just wanted to ask if anyone knew any good places to find any% nmg tutorials
?
rose ore
Hi, im new here.
can somebody help me with livesplit not start automatically in path of pain?
fair island
it doesnt start automatically, you have to start the timer manually during the transition
kind flume
turn on global hotkeys and set a comfy key to start timer (Start / Split)
rose ore
oh really, but it ends automatically right?
kind flume
if you turn on the auto splitter and configure it correctly, then yeah
rose ore
thanks, just curious here, would the fact that runner start it manually affects leaderboard in higher skill?
kind flume
you just need one split, and in auto splitter settings you add "Path of Pain (Completed)" and toggle "End-triggering autosplot" on
nah, starting it during the transition is lenient, and it will be paused until the end of the load
quiet wadi
:0 finally got sub an hour
sonic cargo
Whats the difference between Godhome ending and All pantheon bosses speedruns?
daring coral
i think its things like grey prince zote, where its possible to not have him in the pantheon
shut beacon
also isnt all pantheon bosses a 112 run and Ge just gets whatever u need to do up to p5
snow dome
Godhome Ending is "beat Pantheon 5" 112% APB is 112% then beat Pantheon 5
Godhome Ending does it with a much smaller loadout.
No Abyss Shriek, fewer masks/vessels etc.
Godhome Ending sounds like one of the hardest categories to me
elfin vortex
Imo GE doesnt even sound remotely fun tbh. It just sounds like torture
last inlet
it's a huge sequence of low-gear fights which sounds pretty fun imo
onyx spade
GE sounds hella fun, also pretty hard
elfin vortex
it's a huge sequence of low-gear fights which sounds pretty fun imo
Thing that I hate about low gear fights is that they feel so much worse to play (imo) cuz its like, fuck I wish I could abyss shriek this mf, but oh wait I cant
shut beacon
hi ...... if im uploading a p1 run do i leave the catagory as any% at the top?
first time uploading a run and i dont wanna mess it up lol
haughty fossil
yeah that's right
shut beacon
oki thanks
how long does it normally take for it to be verified ?
like 2 days or is it more
haughty fossil
anywhere from a day to a week depending on how full the queue is
shut beacon
ohh okkk ...... i feel bad for the dude moderating 112 runs lol
dapper vale
Any tips on speedrunning? Wanna start speed running and streaming
haughty fossil
there are lots of helpful guides on speedrun.com (pinned)
first you should get an idea of what category you want to start with, because every category will have a different "choke point" you'll want to practice first
undone widget
i just broke sub 50 
48.38 and 1 death only sadly it was late in uumuu fight so lost a bit of time . but i either golded or greend every split
uneven pike
48.38 and 1 death only sadly it was late in uumuu fight so lost a bit of time . ...
by greened do you mean every split was green or every split saved time?
either way gratz!
undone widget
i saved time in every split except hornet where i lost 2 seconds total
forgot that one
uneven pike
you should upload it to speedrun.com so you can have blue name
also you should join speedrun community
undone widget
i have uploaded my 52. but it was not verfied yet. so guess i will upload this one aswell