speedrunning

[elfin vortex]

Is there a time difference between save warps and dream gates?

[digital jewel]

where?

context matters a lot

[elfin vortex]

This bit in 112. We already benched at kings so wouldnt it make sense to just SW instead of dream gate? (Going of math's notes btw). Im trying to understand why we bench at kings station mainly cuz we soon after that sect in the run, bench at DM. We gate after abyss then bench at kings which imo just doesnt make sense

[hearty adder]

is that the arcane egg after shade cloak?

[elfin vortex]

Yup

[hearty adder]

shade cloak is a hardsave

[true palm]

i mean the hard save occurs before the bench

they bench after shade cloak

[hearty adder]

aah, i see

[jagged vault]

We don’t bench king’s

[elfin vortex]

Ik that but also in the notes (before this line) its written to bench and set a dg when arriving at kings (seems to be the same in other notes too). Not sure if im misunderstanding tbh

[jagged vault]

You wanna have soul from after mantis lords to bring into grimm

So you dreamgate after deepnest vessel fragment

[elfin vortex]

Again not sure if im misunderstanding but at this point in the run u havent done mantis lords yet. This is when u get the shade cloak

[haughty fossil]

looks like gate from shade cloak -> bench to swap charms

because grimmchild sucks 😤

[elfin vortex]

Ooooooh ok I get it

Wait wrong reply

Meant to reply to jamie

[jagged vault]

When i run i bench before going to shade cloak

I Swap to twister at that point instead

[elfin vortex]

Ah so its optional to bench when arriving at kings? (to regain health or switch charms)

[jagged vault]

Yes, if you switched charms earlier

[spiral zephyr]

Hey, I'm training for my first speedrun (current patch any%), but I'm being fuck by watchers knight...
I have watched some tuto (fireb0rn mostly), but I wanted to know if you have some key tricks or something ??

[verbal stag]

https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME
this video is also helpful, but it really comes down to just practice

[last inlet]

some big points are:
make sure your damage on the first knight is good so it dies before the second knight spawns
get used to how to dodge the knights (this will mostly just be lots of practising how to deal with different combinations of attacks)

[spiral zephyr]

Yeah as I tough, there is no miracle solution obviously

I guess it's just about me practising even if i'm dying again and again haha

[knotty vigil]

does lever skip in city of tears work on the newest version?

[leaden python]

no

you have to kill great sentry and open it the intended way

[digital jewel]

to where?

[jagged vault]

gg! what category?

[digital jewel]

lol

[haughty fossil]

[digital jewel]

just a troll dw

[royal epoch]

is 30fps fine for submitting

[steady lynx]

30fps should be fine as long as it's watchable

[digital jewel]

stable 30fps is an improvement over quite a few submissions

[royal epoch]

hm okay

[steady lynx]

Wow, calling me out like this

[royal epoch]

yeah i would use 60 but when recording my game starts getting consistent frame drops, its fine until i get to dream nail

[haughty fossil]

https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ

important thing probably

[royal epoch]

oh sick

ill try that whenever i have the chance to, ty

[mental berry]

help

I cant find my shade

after I died to an aluba

where is it

[digital jewel]

how did you die to an aluba

[mental berry]

pls

[digital jewel]

I didn't know they did contact damage

[mental berry]

I need help

xD

[digital jewel]

what room though?

queen's gardens or lake of unn?

[mental berry]

white lady

[steady lynx]

It should be down way low in the room

It's the same room as the grub so it's probably down at the bottom of the snappers

[jagged vault]

wait alubas deal damage?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, that confuses me too

[jagged vault]

what

[steady lynx]

Alubas dealing damage

[jagged vault]

oh yeah i meant what like in "what"

y'know?

[steady lynx]

Oh, my bad

[rotund jackal]

#sr-offtopic message

[digital jewel]

ok

I barely remember yesterday

how do you expect me to remember something a year old

[rotund jackal]

Fair enough lol

I was pretty sure I had seen a clip of that but I couldn't find it in the top clips on twitch so I searched for it here and this was the most relevant result haha

[digital jewel]

[copper egret]

https://streamable.com/lsil36
Tas Sub 50 kp

[jagged vault]

yoo sick

[elfin vortex]

Im assuming that the tas hits walls with its nail like that cux it pushes the knight forwards abit?

[frank obsidian]

Yes, it pushes you ever so slightly

[jagged vault]

Nail turnarounds save just a small fraction of a second done optimally

[copper egret]

Save about 0.02s-0.04s each slash

[short spire]

how did you time it to be sub 50

that's really sick tho

[jagged vault]

Oh wow, it’s that little? Thought it was at least like a tenth of a second

[copper egret]

I timed it in pr lol

[jagged vault]

For some reason the three steps before the well entrance were really satisfying to look at

[haughty fossil]

wait if tas is linux only
theres just no loadless for tas 🥴

[jagged vault]

Honestly TAS earlygame might be the coolest part of the entire game if there ever is a fullgame one developed

[copper egret]

From dark screen to dark screen? Is it how split time it right?

[short spire]

umm it's a bit more complex due to the fickle nature of the loadless timer

[copper egret]

Sorry

[median gull]

can't you just time that manually based on TAS imputs? like last input was on frame 2, and the next input is on the frame 92

[short spire]

i think the only way to get like an accurate timing would be to compare to another kings pass

i can maybe make another comparison video with my 50.69 rta one

last time the tas barely beat that but i feel like it's not gonna be quite as close with this one lol

[jagged vault]

This one looks a lot faster yeah

[copper egret]

Haha

This is a collaboration tas

[jagged vault]

So ax when are you grinding king’s pass with optimal turnaround strats😤

[copper egret]

We did this in like 10h

[short spire]

was the vengefly RNG just trial and error or did you find a way to manipulate it?

[copper egret]

And we spend 1h for the inventory drop

[copper egret]

Restart the game with different system time to change the rng

[short spire]

okay gotcha, so just trial and error with that

[copper egret]

It took 49.22s from dark screen to dark screen, so it must be sub50

[copper egret]

Yeah true

[tame hare]

finn

[frank obsidian]

"A theoretically perfect playthrough" That sounds crazy.

[lethal kite]

hey does anyone know if downpatching using depotdownloader on mac would work

i tried it and it does download most of the files but its missing 3 files

the executable in the MacOS folder also is corrupted? i think

[jagged vault]

MacOS cannot open executables afaik

[lethal kite]

no like

not exe

the app executable file

idk what u call them i call them executables

[lusty scroll]

does anyone have any resources on learning spore shroom strats in thk?

i honestly am having a hard time finding them

[hearty adder]

What are you looking for exactly? Since it's a pretty new strat i haven't seen anyone creating resources beyond "if you use sporeshroom at thk it will die way faster"

watching people's runs in this case would probably be the best

[lusty scroll]

ah ok

if i couldnt find anything i was just gonna experiment myself! could be fun...

ive always wanted to work on labbing out a new strat i guess ill go for it

[hearty adder]

Loved this tas, wanted to compare it to current kp wr

[short spire]

huh

how is the unpause so much quicker

looks to be about a 49.60

really weird that it gains so much time on the pause tho

[limpid ruin]

wild guess: frame perfect input before the menu did its thingy with delays etc?

I think the only thing I'm in doubt about the speed of here is one of the last two jumps before reaching the planks you nailx3, otherwise I can't see anything else that could even possibly be better like wtf

[hearty adder]

This is also my guess yeah

[short spire]

i have no idea what you mean by that to be honest

[pliant lagoon]

can anyone explain why is it not a hard fall there？

[verbal stag]

theres a random 1/4 chance that you just don't get a hard fall there

nobody knows why

[pliant lagoon]

that is so mysterious

[limpid ruin]

this is decompiled pause func, i believe, if that helps anything (it probably dont )

[short spire]

it really doesn't ngl

[limpid ruin]

understandable

[subtle glade]

Well the function sets timescale to 0 and waits 0.8s, so I would guess that's the minimum you can wait

Also disables the ability to activate itself until it is done, so no funky stuff with pausing again before it's done

[subtle glade]

How do you decompile? Or did you just find it online?

I like seeing why some glitches work, for example the pause early control works because of a bug in the unpause function, where it reads "this.hero_ctrl.UnPause();" without considering if we should be regaining control

[limpid ruin]

there's some pins in #archived-modding-development if memory serves me right. Basically its just using ILspy or DNspy to decompile c#/.net dll-s, and then slowly and painfully combing through it all

[copper egret]

We did a lot of study on the inventory drop, found that there is a best point to open the inventory, earlier or later will got slow landing

I can show you a picture

[subtle glade]

Is it precisely 0.8s pause? I'm bad at video software stuff

[copper egret]

And we did -2f on kp today,which is 0.02 sec saved

Wait, you guys are talking about pause, lol sorry, I got it wrong

[subtle glade]

Yea, was it just precise 0.8s or did you find some bug?

[copper egret]

There is no bug I guess

I just input the esc button as soon as possible

[median gull]

Maybe one of those things "don't mash just time it" cause 🍝

[subtle glade]

Also sorry if I'm wrong, but wouldn't side slashing this platform save time?

[copper egret]

won't happen, cuz this place need max jump

[subtle glade]

Slashing stops your jump?

[median gull]

Getting horizontal speed won't help you there

you need to get above that platform before doing anything

[subtle glade]

Ah, right, got it

[copper egret]

And about hard fall, we used varible framerate on here, and found out the higher framerate, more hard fall probability

I got hard fall 100% on 50fps, and 0% on 200fps

[copper egret]

true

[subtle glade]

So higher fps -> more soft fall chance?

[copper egret]

in tas, yes, but I am not sure how it goes on rta

[median gull]

so

there's a place in 4ms that i'm the only one who gets consistent soft fall

give me 2s

#misc-runs-nmg message

so it might happen on rta too

avg 410* fps on that room

[copper egret]

ic

make sence

[leaden python]

so what are you saying is that I need to stop capping my fps. I will suffer from baldurs but will get softfalls every time 😤

[median gull]

Just run a good category like 4ms

there's no baldurs to make you lose time

[leaden python]

fast vengefly is an advantage in 4ms, right?

yeah for the skip

[median gull]

yea

[leaden python]

nice, brb getting rekky 🥴

with 800fps in crossroads vengefly will just carry me on its back

[copper egret]

lol

[median gull]

I think you can do the fast cycle with slow vengefly if you know how to properly lure them

it's just a lot more tighter

I like how my fps made me have consistency on that room but I still lose almost 2 seconds due to cp quitouts

[leaden python]

At 500+fps vengefly turns into a dragon and just breaks the ceiling below the mask, so you don't have to do any skips

Oh viitor have you checked if wr has good or bad cp quitouts?

[median gull]

Not really, now i'm more focused on fangames and took a break from hk speedurnning

[leaden python]

yeah fair

[median gull]

I think that got fixed? I read something on the autosplitter update but didn't pay much attention

[leaden python]

I think cp quitouts aren't fixed yet, no. Just some other spaghetti

[median gull]

oh okay

i was going to bed, but let me time this before sleeping

not very good quitouts

exactly 1.33s timelost compared to former wr

[leaden python]

yeah that sounds like a lot

[median gull]

yeah it's a lot for such a short category

[copper egret]

and we did 0.02s save today

but no video yet

[elfin vortex]

<@&284848710960021504> can I have the blue name plz (sorry if I wasnt supposed to ping) https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yv16848y

[subtle glade]

I have 200 fps in kp, I got 8/20 softfalls

Or more like 170-200 I guess

[twin swallow]

The fixed thing was inconsistent splitting on dreamer cutscenes

Quitouts are still borked sadly

[leaden python]

5/10 softfalls ~320fps Let's lower the resolution to 1080p 🥴

400fps+ 0 softfalls

[twin swallow]

Which softfall is this concerning btw

[leaden python]

kp one

[twin swallow]

Interesting

Tested on any others yet?

[leaden python]

nope, won't go for it probably, not now at least

[twin swallow]

Understandable

[copper egret]

wtf

[leaden python]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin swallow]

I'm pcn't for the next week or I'd test myself

[copper egret]

How did it happen

lol

[leaden python]

maybe it's a safestate jank but it's very sus

and lol riva tuner statistics server broke lmao. Can't set any fps cap below 2083

[twin swallow]

2k FPS, where baldurs stop rolling 2 seconds before they start rolling

[leaden python]

let's cap at 200 exactly

got only 1 softfall at 200

[copper egret]

wierd enough

[leaden python]

10/20 when capping at 300

wtf

[copper egret]

wow

[leaden python]

and I got like 6 in a row

2/10 when capping 350

[elfin vortex]

uh should I ping again or just wait?

[leaden python]

just wait, no src mods are around

[elfin vortex]

k

[leaden python]

yeah seems like my best softfall rate (50%) evolves around ~300 fps

it seems like windowed/resolution don't affect it

I wonder if it's like OS-dependent and you can get guaranteed softfall on linux lol

[limpid ruin]

maybe try to set fps to whatever has the biggest modulus diff to the physics framerate?

so like 288 instead of 300, fore xampel?

[leaden python]

I've tried, found no difference

[limpid ruin]

scam

[leaden python]

I mean it's worse than 300

300-320 gave me the best result

[digital jewel]

weird. I mean fps jank is not really surprising

but it's weird that best results are at such a specific framerate

[subtle glade]

Alright, I've got the nail cancells now, but still I think I'm too slow

[digital jewel]

yeah you just started really late there after the boss became vulnerable

why are you doing the attack sequence of 1-1-4?

[subtle glade]

I find it easier to do the nail cancels that way

And in the wr pest does that, so I thought it's ok, but maybe there's a different setup I need to do

[digital jewel]

no it works I was just curious

[subtle glade]

I find the fireball-nail-fireball-nail-fireball rythym easier to follow

Maybe because I practiced it for gruz? idk

[undone widget]

so is there anyway to open this pathway ? https://imgur.com/a/h2fpD

[subtle glade]

Nope

[undone widget]

saddedges

[subtle glade]

But there is a way to open this one

[undone widget]

i know that one , was wondering if you can open the top one

[sterile gale]

is there a true ending comsob ?

[verbal stag]

its pinned in #true-ending

[sterile gale]

ty

[fresh remnant]

i think i accidentaly discovered a new way to reduce hard falls

but it only works with spells

[haughty fossil]

i mean if you had a spell you could just cast it before touching the ground, no?

[steady lynx]

About same effect as inventory cancel but for a soul cost

[fresh remnant]

yes

i thought it was faster ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid ruin]

wait until they patch this out of 1.5 D:

[fresh remnant]

the problem is that idk why my inventory doesn't open while i'm in the air or i'm just bad

[elfin vortex]

mhm. Also since vs -> mothwing (which the greenpath split doesnt have any needed inv cancels) i wouldnt imagine it to be useful

[elfin vortex]

it was patched out of cp

so now you can only drop by opening inv when walking off a ledge and its physics frame perfect (correct me if im wrong tho)

[haughty fossil]

gusten was referring to something else

[elfin vortex]

ik

[haughty fossil]

inv cancels are opening and reclosing inv as soon as you hit the ground to cancel the animation

[elfin vortex]

gustens talking about opening it like as seen when dropping down to dm (on cp ofc)

[fresh remnant]

ok

i never tried to speedrun the game but i think i'm gonna start soon

i want to be prepared for my first run

[elfin vortex]

which cat (category) are u planning on running?

[fresh remnant]

i think any% no major glitches

but maybe i will try low%

idk

[steady lynx]

It's great and it's patched out in 1.5

And I just started using it

[fresh remnant]

which is the best jump to practice the fireball skip?

[sturdy glade]

I might do some meme categories before I get into any%

It doesn't matter how many tutorials I watch, any% watcher knights is undoable right now for me

[steady lynx]

I think just the first FB skip in Greenpath is good

[elfin vortex]

Most important fb skip imo is the last one in greenpath but hornet fb skip is pretty important too. If u play on keyboard check out socd cleaner

Hornet has the squit backup tho so yh

[sturdy glade]

ye the on in greenpath is good

jut wondering, can you do the greenpath fb skip with only 1 fireball?

[normal aspen]

Ye

[elfin vortex]

You can do hornet skip with 1 fb but its safer and doesnt lose much time to do 2

[sturdy glade]

thought so

I've just always seen it done with 2

[haughty fossil]

you can go up to 3 if you have a bad jump/turnaround

[sturdy glade]

ik

[elfin vortex]

Hornet fb skip is worth always giving a go in runs just cuz u have a nice back up

[sturdy glade]

i usually do it with 2 but I've messed up before and done 3

[normal aspen]

Generally u can react to the first one to see how many u need

[sturdy glade]

I think that's right

[steady lynx]

I just always do 2 since I don't trust myself

[elfin vortex]

Want to just double check from yesterday so I dont end up doing something to the maps that Is wrong but https://youtu.be/2Ypa_DFeqac when xephros benches at 1:10:53ish its optional to bench right?

[short spire]

i was talking about the pause, not inventory. it's considerably faster for the tas to pause and unpause the game than ive ever seen from a human, and i dont understand how that could just be about input precision since the gap is so large

[digital jewel]

I believe so yeah

king's brand is a hardsave

[elfin vortex]

Ok cool. Was abit confused as to why all guides and notes i referenced said to bench when brand is a hardsave yh

[sturdy glade]

hmm

so whenever I do an actual category I feel bad since I'm so far behind the wr

solution: make a dumb meme category that no one else will ever do

[mossy sapphire]

keep trying lmao

none did world record first attempt on any category

[sturdy glade]

well I know that

but Im just discouraged

[brittle jungle]

what time are main, livesplit no loadings or ingame time after finishing it?

[sturdy glade]

usually no loads

[brittle jungle]

ok thx

[hearty adder]

This is something that you just gotta learn to deal with tbh, but I don't know if I can give any tips on that

It's just learning to focus more on yourself than on what others do

Especially if you're running meme categories, since most people who run them are already experienced in the game, and the leaderboards tend to be pretty small

In the beginning it's best to focus on your own improvement than on where you sit on the leaderboard

[mossy sapphire]

its better to begin with categories like any%

so you get good at the main game

and then you can begin to run for harder categories

[digital jewel]

if you have livesplit set to game time and the autosplitter active, it'll be time without loads

[limpid ruin]

(assuming you have at least one autosplit entry added)

[fresh remnant]

thanks

i didn't knew this server was that helpful

[strong vessel]

You could try All Skills, a slightly longer category that gets all of the level 2 spells

People disagree whether any% or all skills is a better beginner category

Any% has WK and a super annoying Uumuu, but pretty much no difficult required skips

All Skills has some difficult skips for Isma's Tear and also Hornet 2, but everything else is fairly easy

[limpid ruin]

All Skills has a greater width of required things to learn, but lower required max skill level to finish a run, Any% is way more condensed and shorter, so less to focus on, but higher max difficulty to finish a first run

[grizzled maple]

Well, All Skills is generally recommended if the person's goal is with longer categories, because it'll do a lot of skips that 1xx does such as isma's, and give you more boss experience than Any%

Both will probably be 1-1.5 hours on the first run, and that says a lot of the lower difficulty of all skills compared to any%

[strong vessel]

I started with any% before I even knew what all skills was and I kind of regret it

[mossy sapphire]

i did the ismas skip once

i was never able to do it again

and it wasnt on speedrun

stupid skip

[strong vessel]

Skip?

There are three

Unless you mean the last one

[leaden python]

At this point All Skills is definitely way more than just 1xx playground, it's a pretty mature main self-contained category. 3rd popular main category, to be precise

[strong vessel]

What's second?

[leaden python]

any% CP

[strong vessel]

I see

[limpid ruin]

even then its a very good fundament to build upon for longer runs

or shorter, for that matter

[mossy sapphire]

pop speedrunning

[leaden python]

I mean that I recommend AS even if you're not planning on running 1xx later

[mossy sapphire]

chad category

or masochist

as you want

i should try to record a good time on PoP so i can submit my record and get this nice blue color

[strong vessel]

1xx categories are much more different from all skills than all skills is from any%, honestly

[grizzled maple]

I'm just a boomer that comes from a time when AS was considered a pointless loser category for losers

[mossy sapphire]

wtf

why was it considered like this

[grizzled maple]

It had like 7 runs and no one wanted to pay attention to it. WR was a 55 then

[leaden python]

because top runners weren't interested in getting optimized times in it

was not very competitive

[hearty adder]

Kinda hard to imagine that nowadays with the AS tourney being a thing right now

[leaden python]

It all changed when Pisces made it a big deal

[grizzled maple]

Yeah I'm really happy to see it get attention since this was my home category too

Just wild thinking that people would actually run AS to run AS kekw

[strong vessel]

Proof that all skills is the best category is the dash slash descending dark skip

Because it's hilarious

[digital jewel]

the early community almost entirely ran any%. and that's still kinda the case, it's just we're big enough to where the small amount of people who branch out is still enough to make a popular category

[mossy sapphire]

dash slash skips

best skips

[leaden python]

yeah I'm pretty sure any% is the most popular category by a number of active runners regardless of the time of year. AS tourney might've switched a lead to AS for like a month, but it was just a fluke

[strong vessel]

I mean, any% is kind of the definition of a speedrun

Do it as fast as possible

It makes sense that it's the most popular category in most games

[jagged vault]

any% has the appeal of being relatively simple, short and impressive

(simple as in easy to grasp, not easy to run)

[strong vessel]

Easy to memorize the route too

[leaden python]

yeah for sure, any% is like de-facto standard in this industry

[haughty fossil]

as cp has become the new meme main category

[jagged vault]

"the speedrunning industry"

this is one of the few industries that doesn't like to fabricate stuff

[leaden python]

idk I think GE was and forever be the main meme category

[strong vessel]

What about all cheevos

[grizzled maple]

All Cheevos is a meme, but not as free to run as GE

[haughty fossil]

ge is hard, all cheevos is a rite of passage, as cp is pain

[grizzled maple]

First of all you have to get twitch partner or 50000 youtube subs, pick one

[jagged vault]

wait 50000 yt subs

@ fire

[leaden python]

yeah all chievos isn't really main category in its spirit

[grizzled maple]

It does do main game objectives though, which is why I think it does belong on main board

[leaden python]

Or I guess people don't run it as a traditional main category

[grizzled maple]

Plenty of games have all achievement runs

[leaden python]

yeah-yeah, I mean it definitely belongs on the main board, but it has a meme spirit

[jagged vault]

speaking of, does anyone have route and splits for all cheevos that are up to date and function?

[grizzled maple]

The only ones that exist are the ones pinned in new 1xx

[jagged vault]

i really don't wanna have an autosplitter going kapoof moment

[short spire]

up to date
do you really think theres people out there rerouting ac

[grizzled maple]

I used paper notes but even those would be out of date. No ones gotten partner since the new 1xx changes

[leaden python]

hey if I'm ever running this shit I'm routing it, because my old body can't sit there for 10 hours

[grizzled maple]

You will need to manually split for everything in the second run that was already obtained in the first run, just btw

[jagged vault]

so the structure of the run is like purity% then a full 112 run but you murder stuff

• all endings

[grizzled maple]

like it can only check for VS once for example. So you'll need global hotkeys on for that so you can manually split

[jagged vault]

ah i see

[leaden python]

And I'd probably just yeet a bunch of splits so it doesn't break

the entire second half will be just a journal split 🥴

[strong vessel]

Purity% + an extra side dish of banishment

Maybe the second run is just a really long happy couple% run

[digital jewel]

like the start of the speeddocs video on true ending wr history is basically "almost nobody ran the category until 2 years after release"

I feel like even compared to other communities we focused on any% a lot

[leaden python]

big game, hard to route

also pretty hard

[short spire]

1xx has always had runners i feel

never blew up or anything but like a consistent small playerbase

[leaden python]

yeah 100% is the second traditional category after any%, so naturally it's the second popular choice to pick

[short spire]

maybe im just biased tho cause its the only category ive put any proper amount of effort into lol

[lusty scroll]

I swear 106% has been decently popular since 1.2.2.1 or am I tripping?

[digital jewel]

yeah I think it was the 2nd most popular after any% back in the day

meaning it had like 3 runners max

[leaden python]

I think this is a pretty traditional way speedgames are:
after release, any% and 100% emerge, any% become the most popular category and 100% has some consistent small player base.
Then some new category in the middle appears that becomes more popular than 100% because it's shorter but less popular than any% because it's not any%

[lusty scroll]

I really like how current patch any% is becoming more popular tbh, it shows an increase in newer runners (like myself). I think it’s the most accessible category.

[digital jewel]

yeah it's nice

[leaden python]

yeah it definitely is

[lusty scroll]

no idea why the run is becoming more popular but it’s defo nice aha

[leaden python]

I like that it becomes more optimized and tight, not just a bridge for people who haven't downpatched yet

like we have players who are not downpatching not just because of bad pc, but because they actually want to run CP

[lusty scroll]

Yeah there’s a few advantages of cp

less rng in enemy spawns is defo good and something I enjoy

Explosion pogo is imo cooler and more impressive

New spore route is also interesting and new too

[leaden python]

back in my days cp epogo was one of the main reasons people didn't want to run it

[lusty scroll]

well I’m a psychopath and enjoy pain so I like the challenge

[haughty fossil]

i have stockholm syndrome with cp, even when i get my new pc i might just not downpatch

[lusty scroll]

despise QGA though thank fuck spore shroom route exists

[haughty fossil]

real boomers remember deepnest route without spore shroom

imagine losing 20s and not doing a funny thk fight 😤

[grizzled maple]

wait what deepnest route with sporeshroom

[limpid ruin]

i tried a cp category. The enemy spawns are consistently the worst possible and its so infuriating tho 🥴

[lusty scroll]

current pb did this because I hadn’t learnt spore shroom strats for thk yet aha

[digital jewel]

a current patch category wasn't really obvious when godhome released, because we'd always just run on whatever the fastest patch was. a few people did try it out over time, mainly skurry and panta, but those runs were up on the main any% leaderboard with no separation. it took a while for current patch to get its own category

[steady lynx]

1.5 any% for beginners will do deepnest spore shroomless

[haughty fossil]

@ emray on cp spore shroom destroys thk, so we pick iit up and equip it before thk

[limpid ruin]

it saves like 15 seconds on thk

[grizzled maple]

That's omega recent tho right

[limpid ruin]

yee

[grizzled maple]

like weeks

[lusty scroll]

yeah

[grizzled maple]

kids and thinking theyre boomers smh

[leaden python]

it's known for like 5-6 months, but was applied to any% only recently yeah

[lusty scroll]

it loses about 10-15 seconds with optimal play, but you don’t have to do thk fast the normal way and no qga

[grizzled maple]

yall dont even know about aspid pogo being a required skip in all skills

[haughty fossil]

i've been memeing about it ever since i found out about it from rando

[grizzled maple]

and we didnt even have the transdash usage there yet

[daring coral]

hey can anyone help me with all skills umu?

i cant figure out what im doing wrong

[leaden python]

it's still ain't necessary there, just like regular wall jumps if you're talking about Hornet2 aspid skip

[daring coral]

i never seem to have time to get 4 nail hits

[kind flume]

if you have video, that'd help, delurzum

[daring coral]

yeah i have a video

[haughty fossil]

vali don't you still need the first aspid pogo, just the rest of the steps are skippable

[grizzled maple]

Yeah that strat wasn't known yet vali

[daring coral]

should i send it as an mp4?

[digital jewel]

yeah

[grizzled maple]

You needed the aspid for the first two ledges

[daring coral]

ill go convert it

[leaden python]

yeah you need aspid pogo for the first ledge and the second one is just a regular wall jump

[short spire]

wha the walljumps up to h2 have been known longer than AS existed for sure

go check some old ush or trinomi runs

[grizzled maple]

Ush was where I learned the skip tho

He used the aspid for the first 2 ledges

[lusty scroll]

oh yeah got my first sub 50 in current patch any% yesterday let’s gooooo

kinda hyped, I even fucked up wk’s as well

[hallow orchid]

The second ledge walljump is weird so it makes sense if it wasn't known about immediately

[daring coral]

heres a video of my umu attempt

[short spire]

Check out this video "Hollow Knight - All Skills NMG PB" https://www.twitch.tv/ushebti/v/255476794?sr=a&t=1188s

wtf twitch why does copying the link copy that message too lol

anyway this is literally the oldest ush run on the boards

[grizzled maple]

hmm okay then.. maybe he didn't always go for it then

He's literally the one who taught me this game and why all skills was my first run

Maybe he stopped for some reason

[short spire]

he probably just didn't know it initially when learning or something

it was known for sure

[grizzled maple]

I came in once he had a 56 or so iirc

So it was later than this

I watched him for a while before deciding to pick it up myself. This was when I was grinding for wr in pokemon x

[short spire]

you might just be misremembering

[daring coral]

can anyone tell me what im doing wrong with umu?

[digital jewel]

you need to dash to uumuu to get there fast enough

you're dropping very far off the ledge and then using wings to get back up to the same height, at which point uumuu is already too far out of the wall

you also start the fireballs very late, you have to anticipate uumuu becoming vulnerable by a little bit

[daring coral]

so i should fireball sooner after dropping off the ledge and dash after?

[digital jewel]

yes

[daring coral]

ok thanks ill go try that

well i got 3 hits instead of 2 so i assume that means i need to go even earlier

[digital jewel]

possibly yeah

you could just be attacking the boss very slowly?

there's a bit of leniency but not a massive amount

you ideally want to get the first 3 hits ASAP

and then you can delay the 4th if you need to

[daring coral]

i think im attacking as fast as possible?

honestly not sure because i got used to quick slash like an idiot and had to reajust to normal

[daring coral]

well i cannot get a one cycle but i have a very consistent two cycle so i might just live with that for now and come back later

[digital jewel]

that's a fair choice. consistent 2 cycle at least is nice and it's only a 20s timesave to get the 1cycle

[daring coral]

yeah, thans for the help anyway

[digital jewel]

no worries 👍

[mossy sapphire]

first recorded pop speedrun https://youtu.be/KMh-bpZa7l8

not great but not bad

[kind flume]

that's a really good time! well done

[mossy sapphire]

thx :D

waiting for approval now

[kind flume]

shouldn't take that many days 😄

[mossy sapphire]

hope so

i'll be glad to have my first speedrun submitted x)

i definetly can do better

without the deaths i could have been at like 2:30

[kind flume]

that feeling doesn't go away

[mossy sapphire]

x)

im too tired to try again lmao

this speedrun damages my nerves

[mossy sapphire]

lets goo

[kind flume]

yoo that was fast :D gg

[mossy sapphire]

thx :D

waitin for da blue now 🕶️

[kind flume]

well you have to ask for it

i guess that kinda counts as a question

[mossy sapphire]

x)

@digital jewel sry for the ping but you're the only speedrun.com mod online, I'd like to get my speedrunner role please ^^

thanks

[verbal stag]

it looks like the pause menu in the tas defaults the cursor to continue instead of options

[lusty scroll]

yoooo current patch explosion pogo feels so fcking good when you get it

the fireball technique feels insane

[kind flume]

which version are you doing? :D

[lusty scroll]

i could never get the mushroom bounce+dash one

[kind flume]

no yeah that is really hard

fireball version is still pretty hard but very comfy in comparison ^^

[lusty scroll]

damn getting the pogo to have enough height at the end is my main issue

[short spire]

wait so you can press continue earlier than you can press esc to unpause? what the fuck

[lusty scroll]

any advice bc this happens to me a lot its the main reason i fail it

[kind flume]

your first fireball was too low

otherwise good

[lusty scroll]

ok

so should it be in line with the bottom of the bit you dash under or slightly above?

[kind flume]

dash as high as possible without bonking, which is a bit higher than you did

[lusty scroll]

gotcha

[haughty fossil]

fwiw if you find you don't have enough height (not too hard to react to) then you can strafe right back into the explosion before dashing away for extra height

[kind flume]

oh yeah that's a good point, I do that all the time

[lusty scroll]

ah yeah true

[kind flume]

and I also do the three fireball version but that's by the by

felt it more consistent

[lusty scroll]

hmm

i seem to be getting worse over time

im still not getting the height, is my pogo too early or something?

[haughty fossil]

losing height before the 2nd fireball and before the dash

you want to buffer the fireball out of the dash + dash right at the peak of the pogo

[lusty scroll]

gotchA

honestly i consistently get the damage boost variant

so might just stay with that for the time being

like this is pretty solved for me rn

WAIT

I JUST DID IT

buffering op thanks

[digital jewel]

[lusty scroll]

ive gone from sucking to barely missing it thanks everyone

[neon island]

comfepogo and buffering really do be op

[undone widget]

failed qga 5 times, hit it on 6, died to hk 3 times and fucked up hp in best den so i hade to slow kill the last one, run is 100% dogshit, BUT ITS SUB 1 HOUR wolde have been like a 54 /55 with no hk deaths

we fucknig did it

[lusty scroll]

nice!

[undone widget]

sadly it was off stream so will just have to get a run that beats this before posting my offical first run

[lusty scroll]

i mean recordings are fine but if you werent recording then rip

but gj

first subhour feels good

[undone widget]

yhe i was not recording , was doing it for practice for lategame

[lusty scroll]

oof

[undone widget]

i suck at hk like no joke

also failed my 2 cycle uumuu even with nail1, so it was a 3 cycle

[lusty scroll]

honestly my most hype run was my first sub 50 because you cant really die to anything and have to have passable movement to get it, its also a big milestone

[undone widget]

im just happy i got sub 1 hour in less then 4 days of practice

[lusty scroll]

my uumuu in my sub 50 was 4 cycle so you dont really need to worry too much

[undone widget]

i know if i clean up my hk fight, , qga, and best den this will be "free" like i died to hk 3 times this run, still a gold ....

lmao

[lusty scroll]

current patch thk isnt a pushover aha

[undone widget]

this is 1220 i think the patch is

grim troupe patch

its just its my 2nd time ever doing the fight

[lusty scroll]

oh fair enough

[undone widget]

i got phanteon ending first playthrough

so i never did the HK fight cus i thought that i wolde be "locked out of my save file if i beat him"

"you got this ending you want 1 more ending play it again " kinda deal

[lusty scroll]

still cant do damageless exp pogo consistently RIP

but im like 90% consistent on either damageless or with a damage boost after pogo so lets GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[undone widget]

ez

[hallow orchid]

If you're finding the 2fb version not super consistent I'd recommend the 3fb version

It's a lot more lenient

[lusty scroll]

yeah its not consistent w/o damage boosting but ive got the damage boost variant 15 times in a row now

ill learn it completely optimally if it ever comes down to it buts its as fast as 3 fireball and im ok with having 3hp into village

[maiden bane]

mr mushroom ending moving to main board when

[digital jewel]

lol

mr mushroom used to be on main

it was moved when cat extensions was created I think

[haughty fossil]

when will people return to the best category again

[lusty scroll]

damn

mr mushroom actually sounds unironically interesting to route

[digital jewel]

sadly

it really isn't

[lusty scroll]

oh ):

[digital jewel]

because mr mushroom only appears when you have all 3 dreamers

[lusty scroll]

oh

well thats shit i didnt know that

[digital jewel]

so it's just any% and then you go to each mr mushroom spot in sequence

[lusty scroll]

damn

if only

[digital jewel]

yeah it'd be cool otherwise

[lusty scroll]

its the reason all skills looks neat to me (once im happy with my any% time)

because you see more of the game

but its not like 3 hours long

[maiden bane]

Honestly I want it moved to main bc I said I'd do a half-decent run of every cat extension and I don't really want to do that one

But I guess I'll just spore shroom any% it

[vague jolt]

0 geo :peepoArrive:

[mossy sapphire]

how is this category even possible lmao

[digital jewel]

dive to enter crystal peaks

skips the need for lantern

[mossy sapphire]

yeah this isnt as hard as it seems 🤔

you just need to kill 0 enemies

and learn dark deepnest

[dusk portal]

Baldurs tend to send Geo at incredible speeds, this is probably one of the hardest parts of 0 Geo

[twin swallow]

spending no geo is relatively ok

acquiring no geo is hard

[mossy sapphire]

yeah

how the hell are we supposed to pass the baldurs in mound and greenpath without ocllecting geos wtf

[kind flume]

quit out

[hallow orchid]

You can quit out from mound and reload the greenpath room

[mossy sapphire]

oh yes

didnt thought to this

🤔

[hallow orchid]

I highly recommend watching a run if you want to see all the geo avoidance tricks

[mossy sapphire]

i should think before speaking

i will

[kind flume]

eh asking questions is ok :)

[mossy sapphire]

x)

i should try 4 masks shards once

[kind flume]

defintely try it about a hundred times :))

[mossy sapphire]

ive already tried but it pissed me off because i died way too much at mawlek

stupid ugly spider

and the mosquito in the mask shard room kept dying on the worms

AIs are smart against you

not for you

[kind flume]

mawlek is usually the big hurdle yeah

[hearty adder]

that's the real 4ms experience

[dusk portal]

The 4MS experience is +10 seconds at Mawlek and run dying at Goam mask Shard

[hearty adder]

Losing pb pace at goam shard is the classic

I can now say both nmg and ag 4ms are cursed

[dusk portal]

Not having PB pace is the classic

[mossy sapphire]

goam shard is stupid

the rest is free

[kind flume]

after lots of grinding gruz mum becomes the real horror. late game big rng moment

[dusk portal]

I would definitively try 4MS AG, but idk if my framerate would be ok

[kind flume]

mawlek and goam shard can be reasonably consistent

[dusk portal]

Beating your Comsob is the hardest thing I'm trying to do at this point

[maiden bane]

I am once again going to advertise 0 pogo 4MS, which has no Mawlek fight

[hearty adder]

is the route in the spreadsheet?

[maiden bane]

unfortunately goam mask shard is quintessential 4ms experience

uhh I actually never wrote up a formal route

[mossy sapphire]

the route is pretty basic

[dusk portal]

0 Pogo 4MS is great, I just need to stop being dumb and try the grub route

[maiden bane]

But it's goam shard (with vsync damage boost), crossroads stag bench, save sly, save quit, kill FK, VS, kill MMC, stone sanctuary, save quit to Sly, buy two mask shards

[dusk portal]

You can Shade Skip to the Goam MS too

[maiden bane]

^

still needs damage boost but it's easier than vengefly

[kind flume]

nice ;) good luck

[mossy sapphire]

grub -> mawlek -> grub -> goam shard -> sly -> grub -> grub -> grub -> get money and shard -> buy last shard

[dusk portal]

Idk if this is vsync locked though

[hearty adder]

vsync damage boost

[maiden bane]

I think it is linkium

I haven't been able to do it without

[dusk portal]

I haven't tried without vsync tbh

[zealous glen]

Any tips on how to practice runs on console without having to restart every time

[dusk portal]

You can do no reset runs

[zealous glen]

Yeah its just a lot harder to actually reliably practice

[dusk portal]

You can also setup saves where you struggle and do the segment and force quit (Works on Switch, idk for other consoles)

[zealous glen]

Oh that’s a good idea. Thanks

[mossy sapphire]

speedrunning on console seems way harder than on pc

[elfin vortex]

Seems like such a pain to learn on console cuz its so inconvenient in terms of practise

[mossy sapphire]

yes

[hallow orchid]

Yeah practice is terrible on console

[lusty scroll]

debug mod changed my experience with learning this game completely, and even let me experiment with stuff i wanted to

also no custom skins sadge

[elfin vortex]

is what I did in the recording the correct way to do the cpeaks dark room using the dash method? (ignore me getting hit at the end lol I was practising with inf health on)

[verbal stag]

that's correct yeah

[elfin vortex]

ok cool. I do feel as though I did something wrong at the end tho. Am I supposed to grab to the wall at the end like that and is there a consistent way to avoid getting hit like I did?

[verbal stag]

you dash into the wall like that then do a full walljump without sliding down the wall

you got hit because you didn't jump off the wall fast enough

[hot latch]

So question, I've had this question since i started playing hollowknight maybe 2 years ago and i was wondering, since it is possible to take life blood with you wherever you go (until being hit or benching/exiting) technically couldn't you hit every life blood pod in the map and with all the appropriate charms get the true max lifeblood? And i was also wondering if that would be an interesting category to run or not (hence why i'm putting this in sr chat lol)

[elfin vortex]

Ah ok that makes sense

[knotty vigil]

what if i am on a console and its really hard to tell what the time without loads is

on p1 speedrun

[verbal stag]

you have to use time with loads on console

[jagged vault]

some people have already run low% lifeblood core

where you need to do a full map lifeblood quest

because the charms are %

[elfin vortex]

I've heard that it's faster to not DG out of fog canyon notch room in 112. If this is true then since you don't dreamgate out of the Charm Notch room, does the placement for that dreamgate change at all? And do you still place it before going into the Charm Notch room, or not until after?

[zealous glen]

Yeah console is fun it’s just a lot harder to speedrun

[hot latch]

dang that sounds interesting, thanks for the info!!

[jagged vault]

yeah, you still wanna place it before entering. that way, if you die inside there, you can dreamgate in and minimize timeloss. after elder hu we dreamgate back there to go down to uumuu, so it still needs to be there

oh heck reply ping

my bad

[elfin vortex]

Dw. Thx for the informative response

Oops

Bro accidental reply ping

[jagged vault]

no woories ❤️

[knotty vigil]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/me9r153z

gimmie the role, please

yayy thank u

[subtle glade]

I have a question about downpatching, is there any difference between downloading the depot and just straight up copying the file?

[jagged vault]

you have to own the game

[subtle glade]

Ex. if I send someone a zip of the hk file will it work or is there some reason it won't?

[jagged vault]

doing it through the depot lets you prove that

i think at least

[subtle glade]

Ah, so the file downloading thing won't work then I guess?

[jagged vault]

don't think so

[digital jewel]

you shouldn't send anyone a game's files

that's piracy

[subtle glade]

I know

It's just a theoretical thing

I was thinking if you could somehow make a nice pretty hk launcher that can download all the versions

[jagged vault]

you can add your downpatches to steam as non steam games

and launch them from there

[digital jewel]

well you could in theory make a hk launcher that can download any version through steam

it would be essentially running the commands for you

[jagged vault]

would require dev persmission though, no?

or no if it's through steam you have to own the game

and it's a personal use thing

so yeah theoretically

but you can also just downpatch the patches you need and organize them in folders/non steam games

[subtle glade]

I know, but I like coding and don't know what to write, so I thought "what manual task on the computer can I make easier with a program", and hk came to mind

At the very least I'll write a program that can automatically change folder names so that the one you are launching is always the main install

[digital jewel]

isn't that the kind of thing you can do easily with a batch file

[subtle glade]

I use steam controller support to bind inventory to LB, so the version I'm playing needs to be the main

It probably is

A thing to note is that I'm not that good at programming

Also, how do you remove mods from a hk version?

My cp is modded and I would like a non modded one for speedrunning

[digital jewel]

for cp you can just verify the integrity of game files in steam

for other patches you need to have kept hold of your unmodded assembly-csharp.dll

[subtle glade]

It's for cp, so I'll just verify

Thanks for all the help Xero

[sturdy glade]

Hmmm

nvm actually

[undone widget]

2 min +. gold litterly ever split , get death less WK, DIE IN FUCKING Crystal peaks due to a miss click

im beyond titletd atm

[lusty scroll]

had that the other night then i pb by 3 minutes next run, you'll get it dw

[ebon nexus]

My timer simply does not start, like he turns green but it doesnt start

I followed speedrun.com guide and fireborn's

and still not work

[hearty adder]

do you have any autosplits added?

the timer will only start if there's at least one autosplit on iirc

[ebon nexus]

I don't, that was why it was working before

tks

[simple goblet]

Is there a way to add autosplit to mac?

or if not can you submit a run without ingame time

[lusty scroll]

you cant autosplit on mac bc livesplit reads game state files and would be have to be completely redisgned for mac OS

but real time is accepted, your times will just be compared against other people with real time (and note how good your pc is affects load times a LOT, which is why the category is less popular)

[pliant lagoon]

It might not be the porblem other than autosplit. I downloaded the p5 file which works for others. But i have the same issue as cmX had.

My any% and all skills work though

[copper egret]

Could this skip faster than the normal one?

Want to try it with tas though

[kind flume]

do you have to wait at all for the tiktik to be in the correct position?

[haughty fossil]

i think somebody was trying that out for low%

iirc they ended up timing it to be slower but it might be faster but way too inconsistent for human runs

[true palm]

it requires a very specific vengefly position, and would be super negligible in terms of time save

even in a TAS setting, from what we found, its probably faster to just do tik tik pogo

specially since you have to crank the fps down anyway and that slows down the fly in KP

in a tas setting you would also be able to get a sedic slash off the right side as well, so that time save goes down even more

oh and its also load dependent, forgot to mention that

[copper egret]

I've done the tiktik pogo

I want to try this one

And see how is that going

[true palm]

i also dont even know if the cycles work from bottom entry

might be different results

[copper egret]

Ok

[true palm]

that particular clip is from the stag station

which is why we tested it in low%

we found 200 fps to be the best for humans, so that number could vary in a tas

[copper egret]

We are doing a 100fps tas

We will try

[true palm]

i think lower is better

so if yours is 100 fps that should be favorable

[copper egret]

Ic

[true palm]

i couldnt find the other thread about it, but heres our first one

#low-percent message

basically we found that lower fps makes the bottom vengefly not go down as far in a later thread

we also found that its really load dependent as the top tik tik can just go too far along

[snow dome]

For IL things you need to manually start the timer

[kind flume]

timer starts automatically for pantheons though, doesn't it?

[snow dome]

I only did my first one recently and I'm pretty sure I pressed my hotkey

[jagged vault]

My p5 one starts automatically

[magic light]

pantheons do start automatically

[copper egret]

but I can't hit by the tiktik

[elfin vortex]

start it during the loading time inbetween the rooms and it'll autostart when u actually enter

[verbal stag]

you can't, you just have to start it manually

nah, you can't have any mods

[normal aspen]

just have pop saves in all 4 lots then copy paste all 4 over each time u need to reset them

since u only need to reset it on lever or later it shouldnt be that frequent

[true palm]

if you're struggling to run into the tik tik your loads are too slow, and if your getting knocked down the loads too fast, as i said its incredibly fickle and hardware dependent (my computer can't make it and its relatively medium to high end specs). We couldnt find a way to consistently replicate it because theres not a consistent way, we'd get different knockback with the same inputs just based on slight load variances, we get different results when we're not in debug as well

[quiet wadi]

For some reason my live split wont start without the modding API open and I don't know how to fix it. Anyone have any ideas?

[true palm]

open hollow knight, then livesplit if you havent been doing it in that order already

[quiet wadi]

Ye I've been doing that already

[true palm]

what directory is your 1221 install in? is it the same as your modded one?

[quiet wadi]

I think so

[true palm]

did you rename the executable in any way?

[quiet wadi]

It's called hollow_knight

With capitals

Like Hollow_Knight

[elfin vortex]

is it worth including an ss demo in the guide since players can easily die to ss?

[true palm]

i dont think capitalization matters for livesplit but i could be wrong,

[quiet wadi]

K

[true palm]

hate to hit you with the classic tech tip, but since livesplit activates by loading from system memory, it shouldnt matter which install it is, so the only solution i can think of is restart (because windows is probably being jank)

[quiet wadi]

Ok

I'll try that

[true palm]

livesplit has admin rights yes?

[quiet wadi]

Yrp

I press run as admin

When I open it

It works everytime just when I get rid of modding API it goes by bye

👋

[true palm]

so how are you getting rid of modding api, you're on cp?

and you're verifying?

[quiet wadi]

I just have a folder called mods wihh debug in it

I delete the folder and then it stops

It's in the managed section

[true palm]

oh so that doesnt remove modding api first of all

[quiet wadi]

Oh

It doesn't show it in the top corner tho

[true palm]

modding api is the CSharp Assembly file

[quiet wadi]

Oh

Okay

[true palm]

theres a vanilla one

and a modded one

[quiet wadi]

Oooh

Kk

[true palm]

to revert to unmodded you need to replace that file with the original

[quiet wadi]

So how do I get the ig

*og

One

[true palm]

on current patch you can use "Verify Integrity of Game Files" in Steam

[quiet wadi]

I'm on 1.2.2.1

[true palm]

k let me grab you one

[quiet wadi]

Thx

[true palm]

#resources message

[quiet wadi]

Thanks

[true palm]

your welcome!

try that out and see if it works

[quiet wadi]

Ye will do thx

[true palm]

idk if it solves the problem but who knows?

[quiet wadi]

Yep

I'll try it later in off for lunch

*im

[true palm]

also for future reference the api cant be installed during runs obviously, so just make sure to replace it (or you can have another copy of 1221, one for modded)

[quiet wadi]

Ye

[quiet wadi]

Thx

Gtg now cya

[true palm]

cya

[hot osprey]

ok so im taking a break from speedrunning and want to launch the game in fullscreen again now that im not using live split but nothing im trying in launch preferences works.

[fair island]

press alt+enter

[hot osprey]

i...

thanks

wow im dumb lmao

[knotty vigil]

what if i have already activated the lever in the path of pain and im on playstation

[elfin vortex]

pretty sure on the rules for console runs of PoP you just run it normally but add on some time onto your end result to make up for you not doing the lever and breaking the floor

[knotty vigil]

oh yeah i think it was like +2 seconds

[elfin vortex]

yup its 2s

[knotty vigil]

But they didnt say that i can do that on playstation

only on Xbox and nintendo

[elfin vortex]

wait why not on ps?

[knotty vigil]

I dunno

[elfin vortex]

its still the same right?

huh odd

[knotty vigil]

ill just do it anyway

thanks for help

[elfin vortex]

there is 1 run on the leaderboard done on ps4 so yeah it should be fine

[normal aspen]

on ps4 u can easily load backed up saves so its required that the lever has not been hit

[quiet wadi]

LESSS GOO NEW PB

[fresh remnant]

can someone pls help me with downpatching to 1.2.2.1?
i already have the downpatch executable and i tried ti install it lots of times, but when i go to the folder that has to have the old version has the newer one, i've been following this guide: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

pls help me

som1

[fair island]

Did the console say download complete?

[fresh remnant]

yes

[fair island]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520

Look in this folder

[fresh remnant]

yes

i did

but there's the latest version

[fair island]

Did you add the steam_appid

[fresh remnant]

no

isn't it when you want to have diferent downpatches?

[fair island]

It's needed when you have 2 versions of hollow knight installed and want to use them separately

If you delete the original one you don't need to add it

[fresh remnant]

ok

thanks

i'll try it rn

wait

where do i have to add the steam_appid?

[digital jewel]

the guide that you're following

describes the entire install process

including adding the steam_appid.txt

[fresh remnant]

ok thanks

@fair island (Sorry if i'm not supposed to ping) it worked ty! I'm so glad i asked to this server i knew some1 could help me

[brisk python]

Hi, I just got a time of 1h 33m 08s, does anyone know how to improve it? Thx ^^

[hearty adder]

Just practicing movement, skips, boss fights. Basically just practice and improve over time. It's hard to say specifically since you haven't mentioned the category, or mentioned any particular parts you're having trouble with

[brisk python]

Category is any%

[kind flume]

there are some good guides that will help you

can't really give any specific tips to you if you don't have specific questions

[silver granite]

yo, by mistake i binded kill self to mouse0 and now cant do anything, anyone knows a way to solve it? tried removing my debug mod files and replacing them by the binds continue the same

[kind flume]

maybe ask in #archived-modding-help? Not sure where those binds are stored...

[silver granite]

ok, i'll try there thanks

[digital jewel]

you need to delete the bindings file at that point

#archived-modding-help will help you

[subtle glade]

I'm sorry if I send too many uumuu clips, but I still don't know what I'm doing wrong

[simple goblet]

Maybe try to damage tank or hit up, I'm not qualified to give good info but Its an idea.

[raven holly]

Basic damage rotation should either be 2/2/2 or 2/3/1 for nail hits. Don't try to do all of those nail fireball cancels in a row. Also, if you lure Uumuu a little higher up like that, then you most definitely want to damage tank at the beginning to get closer to him

That damage rotation you're doing does work, but he needs to be lower in the platform. Otherwise he just gets knocked out right away

[subtle glade]

Thanks, 2/2/2 works better, I switched to 1/1/4 at the beginning because I wasn't that good at nail cancels yet, but I can do 2/2/2s now

[raven holly]

No problem

I started with 2/2/2 and switched to 2/3/1 later on because I found it to be more consistent when luring him up higher like that. Might be something you want to look into in the future, but if 2/2/2 is working just fine, then you should be good for now 👍

[subtle glade]

I mean works fine for me means about 1/3 times

Either I miss a cancel, or maybe the fireball doesn't double hit, or things like that

And yeah, 2/3/1 works better for me, thanks for suggesting that

[strong vessel]

I found that doing 2/2/2 also often makes Uumuu get pushed off of the platform too soon, making me miss the last nail hit, but that's never happened with 2/3/1 for some reason

[simple goblet]

is there an Any% NMG Tas

[haughty fossil]

not yet, but it is being worked on

[simple goblet]

I've heard an Isma's tear route is being worked on, is a normal one?

[undone widget]

Just finnished a 52.27 any% nmg grim patch. so im hyped , about to submit my first run

[haughty fossil]

not as far as i am aware. tases take a long time to make, especially in this game where it is incredibly hard to have everything sync correctly and all, so i'd expect somewhere in the order of months for any more news cool stuff is still being worked on though

iirc somebody was going to stitch together a full segmented comsob run, which would be the best a human has ever performed it

[undone widget]

i think i already saw a video of that on youtube

[haughty fossil]

ax had aone a while ago, not sure how outdated it is now

[raven holly]

I think that might've been when comsob was 32:1X

oh yeah damn comsob has been improved by almost 20s since that video

that's insane

[subtle glade]

I found a way to make uumuu way more consistant for myself

Turns out that for some reason I think for the nail cancel timing you have to shoot the fireball well earlier than actual, and that was my main problem

Solution - hold my finger further from the RB button

[lusty scroll]

the fact that pest has a fucking time like he does when comsob is where it is rn, is frankly fucking insane

[subtle glade]

Pest is a tas confirmed?

[undone widget]

im a bit sad pest has not streamed in likie 3+ months

i watched his wr, and the race they did for home gdq, he seemd like a super chill streamer to watch

[subtle glade]

And he saved the grub

Nevermind, in the wr he didn't

[undone widget]

btw somthing wack happend in my PB watcher knights where doing some diffrent bounces and i have never seen it or no ide how it happend

so i hope my run will till be valid

[hearty adder]

Do you have a clip of it?

[subtle glade]

If you mean the watcher either:
Jumping twice and then opening and jumping straight up instead of the third or
Only bouncing once
Then it's ok

[snow dome]

It's probably fine

[subtle glade]

Those are the most common watcher glitches

Also, how do you make subsplits? I saw something like that in 112 runs, like you have one split and inside that are other splits

[digital jewel]

you need to have a "subsplits" component in your layout instead of "splits"

[subtle glade]

So for example if I wanted a kp split inside of the vs split, I would need to have splits -kp then vs?

Or vs then -kp?

[digital jewel]

you put vs in curly braces on the final subsplit of vs

[cerulean wedge]

Does time start upon clicking the difficulty after making a save or gaining control

[subtle glade]

It starts when the king's pass loads

[cerulean wedge]

Aight ty

[subtle glade]

Is it possible to make a split of City of Tears, with subsplits glorious husk, watcher chandelier, lurien and lemm, with a pic of lurien?

Or will the pic of the last subsplit be the pic of the whole split

[digital jewel]

the pic will be of the last subsplit

can't change that sadly

[digital jewel]

console or pc?

[subtle glade]

Guess lemm will be in the crystal heart split

[snow dome]

You enter City before you see Lemm, so it will be a City of Tears subsplit

You can put images next to each subsplit, but the last one is a shared image for both the final subsplit and the name of the main split

[subtle glade]

How does total splits work with subsplits?

According to layout settings this is 11 splits, so the subsplits are counted, but only if they are open?

[hallow orchid]

Yeah subsplits will only be counted if the split they're in is focused

[mossy sapphire]

is there a way to set a timer for real time and another one for game time on the save livesplit window ?

[kind flume]

Sure is, just add two timers and set them each how you want them

There's an option for it in layout settings

[mossy sapphire]

thanks :D

[mossy sapphire]

whoa speedkilling bosses with strength + quick slash + fury feels so good

i'll try to go for p1 speedrun

yeah risky

i never actually used it

until now

for any% ?

imo yes, rly good

my best is like 1:45

too bad

do you have the game on PC ?

what a good friend

speedrunning on pc is way better

wtf

id like to have a friend like this

x)