speedrunning

[normal aspen]

not that bad tbh

i run all of mine off of hdd

[dry sluice]

iirc ssd literally doesn't affect load times for some reason

someone tested it ages ago

and the ssd was the either the same or even slightly slower

out of curiosity what did you watch

[molten aurora]

Oh yes, of course, why not 🍝

[molten aurora]

Somnis' AG aluba%

[dry sluice]

that also might not be true for current patch since I think that was tested when like 1221 was most recent patch or something but I distinctly remember it not being faster on ssd at the time

[normal aspen]

a lot of the nmms memes are cool too

its more about gluitched tech than do mms > win

[stray kestrel]

if you like nmmemes there are a bunch that sylvi has run that are on quack's meme sheet

[molten aurora]

Yeah, I'm watching some nmms now, trying to decide what I want to try out first.

[normal aspen]

aluba nmms is cool

elderbug is a goo start too

[stray kestrel]

nmg nmms is basically the first half of any% if you want to go for that evenually

[prime delta]

not to be confused with nmms nmg

[normal aspen]

any% nmms is like best cat in the game so def something to aspire to work to

[dry sluice]

can confirm

AS nmms is also pretty good

[true palm]

heard te nmms is not the best though, dont you just oob to voidheart and then no clip everywhere?

[dry sluice]

TE is not great yeah

[stray kestrel]

nmg nmms has the AS great slash movement if you want to learn that too

[dry sluice]

a lot of noclip

[true palm]

did you ever finish the new low% nmms route?

[dry sluice]

I mean the route exists if thats all you mean

[true palm]

well i thought you werent sure if it was possible or not

[normal aspen]

any recording low jump

[dry sluice]

yeah its confirmed at this point

[true palm]

but still not ran yet right?

[dry sluice]

yeah

it seems unlikely to be done in its current state

[dry sluice]

do blind crawlid pogo

u wont

[normal aspen]

i have a race i havent practiced for in a few hours

[dry sluice]

ok so after that then right

[true palm]

remember you said there was some super cursed glitch that there might be multiple attempts at that was like frame perfect or something, how many attempts do you get?

[normal aspen]

I'll give it a shot

[dry sluice]

yooo

[normal aspen]

you have to explain it tho

[dry sluice]

not quite frame perfect but really tight timing and you have to jump to a height with like 0.14 units of leeway which is very not a lot

idk how many attempts tbh

a couple recent discoveries have made it more

if I can find one more thing that can become infinite

but each failed attempt would be like, minutes of time lost

@normal aspen its this dboost -> pogo twice to get here

but you have to come in from the right side, from a duped first room of crossroads

so you're blind

[normal aspen]

wtf

serena has that metronome program right

and can u hear?

[dry sluice]

you can hear yes

I think

[naive nova]

I’ve a run on the boards now, could I get a speedrunner role pretty plz

[stray kestrel]

if you link your run it makes the mod's jobs easier

[naive nova]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/m7d13j0m

[dry sluice]

I would but I can never figure out how to give roles on mobile

[normal aspen]

Alternative to double dash that gets geo

[dull lion]

How much harder/easier than double dash is this for you to get?

[normal aspen]

i find it significantly easier

but its what ive been doing for like at least a month at this point

[dull lion]

I’m still doing a super boomer version so maybe I’ll learn this then lol

[onyx spade]

can't seem to do this rafters skip, is there a guide or can someone help me?

[normal aspen]

ax has onew

[jagged vault]

Yeah ax has a guide for this one on youtube

[onyx spade]

I can't find it , could someone link it please?

[subtle glade]

Is there any way to remove saving zote from my save file? I mean to make a save file with everything done the same as I did but zote won't be in pantheons

[honest folio]

have you saved him everywhere?

[subtle glade]

Yes I have

[honest folio]

in that case idk

what kind of IL save file are you looking for?

[subtle glade]

It's my save for 112, also did 4 first pantheons with 2 first on bindings

Godhome mode has zote right?

[honest folio]

you'll have to make a new one then

it does

but the most popular 112% run is APB which contains zote (all pantheon bosses)

so maybe just consider doing that one lol

[subtle glade]

For now I just want the p5 achivement, I guessed the speedrun channel was the most likely to know the answer

[honest folio]

there's no easy way to remove zote

there might be a no-zote savefile somewhere

[subtle glade]

I think I'll just create a new save and debug my way to p5

[haughty fossil]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

there are 5hp and full blue hearts files there

[honest folio]

they're looking for a 112% file i believe tho

[haughty fossil]

the 112 files will not have lifeblood

[honest folio]

oh yeah thats true

[elfin vortex]

Whats wrong with zote lol

[subtle glade]

I don't want to fight him in p5

1 less boss

[subtle glade]

Also I don't want the lifeblood, my save didn't have full lifeblood

[elfin vortex]

I doubt people will have the exact save ur looking for tbh. If hes too random I reccomend doing him in the HoG cuz u can radiant him easily once u understand him

[haughty fossil]

you can always find the bool in save data

[subtle glade]

What does the 112 save from speedrun.com have?

[haughty fossil]

zote

[subtle glade]

Oh it has zote well

I guess debug is the way

[haughty fossil]

https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/ you can edit your file using this site

[honest folio]

its more trouble to use debug than to learn zote lmfao

[subtle glade]

This will help thanks

[haughty fossil]

set zoteDead to false and zoteRescuedBuzzer, zoteTrappedDeepnest and zoteRescuedDeepnest to true

and that should maybe be enough

[molten aurora]

I'm messing around with 106% and I'm finding a lot of the movement really fun. Especially the part where I go through mound twice because I forgot to pickup soul catcher

[haughty fossil]

fwiw here is my casual file's zote values

[subtle glade]

Zote dead true? I wonder which one makes the man of many adjectives appear in pantheons

[haughty fossil]

wait duh i'm dumb

[limpid dust]

zote dead is probably the one that leaves zote die to vengefly king I'd guess

[haughty fossil]

correct

[subtle glade]

Deathpos probably changes where his skull appears

[limpid dust]

I'd say defeated is the one you neeed

[honest folio]

related ish, does zote's skull also appear if you leave him in deepnest

[haughty fossil]

no zote cannot die in deepnest

[honest folio]

i see

[subtle glade]

Wait really?

[haughty fossil]

his only death location is vk but there's a playerdata int for his death pos anyway because

[subtle glade]

I didn't know that

[dreamy bough]

huh

[limpid dust]

because they wanted to know how to setup 112% practice file

[dreamy bough]

i wonder what happens if you set zoteprecept to 58

[subtle glade]

Why 58 exactly? Is it 1 above the max?

[haughty fossil]

there are 57 precepts

[dreamy bough]

yes

unless tc counts from 0

[haughty fossil]

(counting starts from 0 so 57 would be 1 above the max)

[dreamy bough]

fair then

[subtle glade]

The game will just probably crash when you try to speak to zote, because you try to reference something outside of the array

And it probably won't be a string type

If it is maybe it will try to put it there? But who knows

[haughty fossil]

i wouldn't wildly speculate based on tc code

[subtle glade]

How do you add health/vessels with debug?

Can't find it anywhere

[haughty fossil]

you can't

save edit for that

[subtle glade]

Alright

[dreamy bough]

speculating based on team cherry code you'd potentially get anything

i mean, heartpie is a thing :)

(having four mask shards without transforming them into a health up)

[molten aurora]

Is fake dive totally random, or is there a way to do it more consistently?

[elfin vortex]

Adding onto what goose said is it quicker to die and get the grub if you miss the fakedive instead of going back later

[onyx spade]

you don't have to die, there's a lever on the right which allows you to go around

[elfin vortex]

Yh but the flying feckers

[molten aurora]

Fake dive only saves ~10 secs according to vysuals, so it's definitely not worth to die.

[onyx spade]

fake dive is a myth anyways

[elfin vortex]

Huh

Well either way I need to work on fake dive consistency

[digital jewel]

it's never quicker to die than to quitout

perhaps on console it could be

[onyx spade]

on very slow computers on CP maybe

like my pc

[molten aurora]

I honestly don't think there's any way to be more consistent, I've been messing around with it for a while, it seems like sometimes the ground just won't break in a given instance, I spent 5 mins trying to break it with no luck. If you don't get it 1st try it's doomed. At least that's how it seems to me.

[elfin vortex]

Oh god why did I forget about quitouts lol. That being said quitout on my comp quituouts add like 4secs on ls

[onyx spade]

yeah I've experienced the same thing goose

[elfin vortex]

Well at least I can blame the game then lol

[molten aurora]

Isn't that grub routed if you miss the dive though? At least in 106 you come back after soul tyrant (I think ...)

[elfin vortex]

Think so. In my notes its just come back later if missed so yh probs

[digital jewel]

112 doesn't do soul tyrant

also on 106 the faster backup is to pogo the follies back up

if you miss fake dive

[elfin vortex]

Huh. Still have to learn the other half of 112 so thats news to me

[molten aurora]

Oh, you don't need tyrant for pantheons? Does that apply to LK and FC as well?

[elfin vortex]

You do lk and fc in 112

[digital jewel]

yeah you shouldn't need them for pantheons

but you still need to get 2400 essence for seer%

and they're also part of the routing for dream gate at 900 essence

[molten aurora]

Yeah, I figured they'd be for essence, just didn't realize you didn't need them for the pantheons. Or % for that matter.

Game's weird.

[digital jewel]

yeah what gives % and how much makes no sense really

[elfin vortex]

Mhm. On my casual playthrough I was surprised that the hunters journal didnt give %

[molten aurora]

Wait, why do you do soul tyrant in 106 then? Or is that outdated info?

[elfin vortex]

Maybe. Alot of guides on speedrun.com seem to be outdated

[digital jewel]

in 106 you kill tyrant for the essence

so the reason the routes diverge there is because 112 need grey prince zote to satisfy the "all pantheon bosses" part of the category rules

and that 300 essence lets them skip tyrant

[molten aurora]

Ahhhhhhhhh, okay, that makes a lot more sense now.

I pretend cp doesn't exist, so I forget about zote

[elfin vortex]

May start working on an updated 112 guide after I submit a run tbh. Do you need to fulfill any other requirements to submit a guide? (when I eventually get a verified run)

[steady lynx]

I tested it and 90% of the time the handicap of not having a full vessel leads to more timeloss than savequitting

Also geo gets messed up, if it wasn't for that I'd do it in all skills after great slash

[digital jewel]

yeah that makes sense

[umbral void]

Hello, i was trying to do a any% nmg run but my livesplit isn't starting with the game

[snow dome]

Do you have it set up correctly?

[steady lynx]

Is it that you have to start livesplit before the game?

[umbral void]

yeah

[umbral void]

no, i started the game before

[haughty fossil]

can you screenshot the edit splits window and the autosplitter config together

[umbral void]

yeah

btw theres no any% nmg category in the list

[snow dome]

Yeah, just any% is good

[umbral void]

ok

[haughty fossil]

remove Hollow Knight Practice from autosplits btw

the timer ends automatically on any game end

[umbral void]

ok

my game is on 1.2.2.1

[snow dome]

Where is LiveSplit?

[umbral void]

in downloads folder

[snow dome]

Move it to somewhere else

[umbral void]

k

[snow dome]

Downloads folder sometimes stops things like this working

(Obviously you'll have to close and reopen LiveSplit at that point)

[umbral void]

oh ok

oh yeah i also can't hit anything when I start the game

idk why that happens

i use mouse so thats probably it

[steady lynx]

Yeah mouse isn't properly supported on 1221

[umbral void]

dang

[steady lynx]

Need Russian hacks

[haughty fossil]

you can use blue.exe from #resources to rebind mouse to h and t

[umbral void]

i did all bosses radiant with mouse

aaaaaaaaaaa

[haughty fossil]

yes you don't need to switch

[steady lynx]

It'll work perfectly with blue exe

[haughty fossil]

we permit 2 macros for running this game, both of which are in #resources . one is an SOCD cleaner (instant turnarounds for fireball skips etc) and the other is blue.exe

[umbral void]

but isn't blue not allowed on leaderboards?

oh i ugess that answers it

[steady lynx]

It's allowed

[umbral void]

how do I stop it though

[haughty fossil]

close the window that opens when you run it

[umbral void]

oh ok

ty lemme try livesplit and blue

[frank obsidian]

Im going to try Elderbug%

[next gorge]

Ive read the livesplit guide loads and im still stuck, can someone hint to me how you get livesplit pausing the timer on load screens? Should it be done automatically and if so im guessing I should just re install/try from the beginning?

[hollow raven]

BTW, im looking at the low% runs and like, do you need VS for anything fundamentally?

Because you can go through peaks to the resting grounds without ever killing false knight or getting spirit

[maiden bane]

Dreamshield is still a percent

And low% doesn't get dash, so FB gets you into Fungal Wastes

[hollow raven]

Why do you need Fungal?

[haughty fossil]

yes, done automatically through the load remover that is shown when you enter Hollow Knight into the split title

[hollow raven]

You get to city from resting grounds

[maiden bane]

No you don't

That path isn't open

[hollow raven]

Oh shit ye

True

[haughty fossil]

gruz mother is a %

[maiden bane]

And Mantis Claw is non-negotiable for dreamers

[hollow raven]

Wait why?

[haughty fossil]

monomon hard requires claw

[hollow raven]

Ah right

[haughty fossil]

lurien hard requires claw

[hollow raven]

OK

[haughty fossil]

herrah kind of hard requires claw sort of slightly maybe

[hallow orchid]

Herrah also hard requires claw in vanilla

Because wings hard requires claw

[haughty fossil]

oh yeah dreamgates don't work

and wings yeah

[hollow raven]

Hmmm

Can you get to fungal through the waterways?

[hallow orchid]

Yes

It's quite cursed

[hollow raven]

Without claw and fireball that is

[hallow orchid]

You need fireball

[hollow raven]

OK shit

[normal aspen]

Yeah that's what low% ab does

[hallow orchid]

Actually somni I assume you need a fireball? I know you only get one though

[haughty fossil]

fireball is a hard requirement to get anywhere basically, you can get to peaks but that gets you nothing

[normal aspen]

Yeah

Sorry I meant with fb

Just it goes thru waterways

[digital jewel]

so low% ab kills gruz mom?

[hallow orchid]

Anyway you're forgetting another important fact: gruz mom is also a percent, so any escape from xroads is at least 2% anyway

[normal aspen]

Short of cursed fps bullshit u need fb for shade skip to blue lake

Yeah it's 12% xero

[haughty fossil]

cursed fps bullshit

[digital jewel]

yeah makes sense

[hollow raven]

I mean mathulu false knight is also a % no?

[normal aspen]

I'm talking like 5 fps Jamie

[digital jewel]

nobody kills false knight

[hallow orchid]

You skip fk

[haughty fossil]

we don#'t kill fk oreo

[hollow raven]

Yeah ik

[haughty fossil]

we get tram pass for city access

[hollow raven]

Oh no nvm i thought you get the % anyway just by bypassing him

Yeah

[haughty fossil]

which is not a %

[hollow raven]

Yeah

I didnt know you only get it from kill

[hallow orchid]

Yeah you need to actually kill, so low% only gets the 2% from VS in xroads

[haughty fossil]

considering you can go back to kill him after skipping him

[hallow orchid]

Or is VS only 1%?

[digital jewel]

vs is 1%

[hallow orchid]

Oh so it's even better

[hollow raven]

You dont need to kill gruz mother btw

[hallow orchid]

Yeah you definitely can't do better than 1%

[digital jewel]

for what oreo?

[hollow raven]

To get to city / peaks / resting grounds

[digital jewel]

you do need to for peaks access

[hollow raven]

Nope

Can get lantern instead

Its really cursed

[digital jewel]

hmmm

[hallow orchid]

Sly sells lantern

[hollow raven]

Oh yeah fuck xD

Sorry

[hallow orchid]

You have to kill gruz to save sly

Yeah haha

[digital jewel]

no worries

sly is an annoying guy to route around

[hollow raven]

Hm that sucks

[haughty fossil]

low% currently does backwards blue lake just to get sly without killing gruz mother

[hollow raven]

Lol

[frank obsidian]

Sad, I can't kill the Great Husk Sentry in Watcher's Spire, I tried for a long time but eventually just went the normal way to sanctum, died to Soul Master, and reset

[granite field]

Personally I kill the Great Husk Sentry with only quick turnarounds (no jumping over) it's sure slower but definitely consistent for me

When they double attack I manage to hit twice, one before and one after

[knotty vigil]

hey people, I’m learning the city of tears in any% nmg (the relic and geo collecting before WK) and was just wondering if there’s a clear explanation of where to go and when. also I’m looking to get the nail upgrade before WK as well, thanks

[haughty fossil]

for nail1:

grab the journal in the room above king's station, killing the enemies guarding it, then go down to king's station itself.
Grab the seal above king's station using some spike pogos
Go to watcher's spire and do the background object pogo to get up (you do not need to hit the lever to the left like the nail0 route does)
Sit on the bench in the top left of the room, and [current patch: kill GHS, do room normally][1221: lever skip and exit the room]
Go all the way left through the long corridor, then go down towards lemm. instead of going down immediately, first go left and grab the seal in the rafters of the large left side city room. Go back and sell to lemm, then save and quit.
Go kill watcher knights. You can leave the seal, but get all 655 of the geo.
When exiting city you are aiming for 2322 geo - if you are low fireball some of the husks at the bottom of watcher's spire or otherwise to farm some geo

[grizzled maple]

On top of what Jamie posted, you should watch fireb0rn's series for the category. It goes pretty in depth on tech and other important details.

And my honest advice is to not do nail 1. Learning the proper damage rotation will save you more than a meek 4 damage increase.

[sweet mulch]

i recently got a run of mine verified on speedrun.com, so can i please have the speedrunner role given to me?

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mr1j1q8z

that was quick, ty

[knotty vigil]

tyyyy

[naive nova]

Could I get a speedrunner role plz? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/m7d13j0m

[slim geyser]

eyyyyy good to see ya here conrad

[naive nova]

It’s about time I finally put a run up lol

[true palm]

pog any% steel soul

also pog current patch any% steel soul

with spore shroom making it any% ss w/ ss no ss

[slim geyser]

damn and you got another PB in the pipes

you're wild

[naive nova]

It got rejected lol, guessing it was some weirdness with twitch highlights

[slim geyser]

it didn't have a rejection reason?

[naive nova]

It said only include the run in the highlight, which it did for me at least. I messaged the verifier to see what I need to do

[slim geyser]

[naive nova]

@true palm even better, it uses comfy pogo, so it’s any% cpcpssss

[true palm]

thats beautiful

also thats current patch rekky by like 6 minutes

demand separated boards for your record

idk it looks like a sick run i'll have to watch

[naive nova]

Yeah I just needed to not die after watchers and the game threw absurdly good rng at me

Perfect uumuu 3 cycle and insanely cooperative THK

It’ll be a while before I get that lucky endgame again

But tons of time to be saved early game

[true palm]

oh its definitely not a perfect time, i bet the category could dip into low 39 high 38 if aggressively pursued and optimized over years

but im sure its a good run

you gonna run cp low% next?

theres a new epogo that has yet to be used in a run for cp

[naive nova]

I’m considering messing around with it, but I prob won’t grind it too much. I saw mention of cp low% epogo somewhere, is that a thing?

[true palm]

yup ill link it for you

[naive nova]

Oh it’s the vsync one probs

[true palm]

#low-percent message

yup

vsync double fireball epogo

saves like 4 minutes on the shadeskip

[naive nova]

Oh that’s right duh. I was confused bc I was messing around with damageless any% and had to go around and do a disgusting triple turnaround fireball to get to mantis claw

[true palm]

oh the one to mantis village?

[naive nova]

Yeah it’s way worse than the QS skip

[true palm]

ye that one hasnt been done in a run either

pantas 52 is the shadeskip

[hot latch]

Idk why i haven't questioned this yet, but why is cp any% nmg wr like a full 3:30 slower? (ik uummuu is 3-cycle but what else effects it that much?) is it just not grinded as hard?

[honest folio]

its really grinded by certain players tho

probably just a lot of small timesaves or tricks that aren't possible on cp

thats true yeah

[hot latch]

oh yeah city of tears lever skip would take quite a bit, thank you!

[low bramble]

also 45ish seconds on dreamer cutscenes

[haughty fossil]

i'd give it like another minute to call it as optimised as 1221 at least

but you lose around 2 minutes easily just from missing 1221 tech

[limpid ruin]

ngl this is how ive started doing it i think, but i dont think about what i do, i just dash and yump etc and things work 🥴

[mental berry]

is there a guide on how to do the Pantheons fast?
I want to learn 112% and have never speedrun the pantheons before

[haughty fossil]

I don't believe there's necessarily a guide, but watching top 112 runs should get you far in understanding where to be aggressive

[short spire]

the best way to learn 112% is realising that you should play 106% instead

[calm tulip]

I wish to try speedrunning on switch one time

but i cant rn cause im a lil busy

[strong vessel]

I chose 112% because flukenest is stupid tbh

[mental berry]

compromise was never an option

[short spire]

fluke is literally the best thing about 106

[elfin vortex]

Im sorry but your opinion is wrong

[strong vessel]

And current patch is very nice

[short spire]

if only they had left any of the interesting speedtech intact

[haughty fossil]

i was gonna rebuke that but tbh i can't think of anything

frame perfect inv drops are a ponzi scheme for serotonin though

[strong vessel]

All of the interesting speedtech is still there, it's called movement

I can't find the right emoji for that

[haughty fossil]

[mental berry]

is 112 run on cp?

[haughty fossil]

yes

[strong vessel]

Yes

[limpid ruin]

cp has inv drops and short range VS

[leaden python]

you can technically run on 1.4.2.4 but gl with that

[limpid ruin]

perfect patch

[haughty fossil]

1221 has the slight issue of not having pantheons
1424 is just slower, it's only used for ab

[strong vessel]

It's the difference between collector vs nail arts, right?

[short spire]

absrad was also nerfed in 1432

[haughty fossil]

1424 only makes a difference if you use nail binding

[strong vessel]

Because spawning full-health primal aspids is cursed

[haughty fossil]

1432 has nicer collector and absrad yeah

[leaden python]

I think Chinese community deemed 1424 stupid for all bindings and uses 1432 instead

[short spire]

the 1432 collector nerf is the dumbest thing

takes all the challenge away from p5 ab

[maiden bane]

Collector used to spawn primal aspids? Holy shit

Easy logic btw

[strong vessel]

Still does, in p5

[haughty fossil]

glitchy rando brain?

[strong vessel]

But their health got nerfed

[maiden bane]

My brain is always rando brain

[short spire]

they used to have regular hp but was changed to 26 in cp

because casuals were complaining about it being too hard i guess

[mental berry]

good thing we have the casual playerbase

[leaden python]

tbh them having more hp would have like no difference in 112 runs

[dark blaze]

Yeah just more free soul

Might even help a bit for grimm tbh

[leaden python]

Radiance nerf is the real shit tho

yeah would def help with god tamer + grimm soul

[dark blaze]

What was og hp

For abs rad*

[short spire]

i probably would've first tried p5 with current patch absrad hp lol

i died to the last phase on my first go

[dark blaze]

?srpsa (was for some1else)

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[dark blaze]

But i did

[short spire]

🦀

[haughty fossil]

🦀

[dark blaze]

Did he get banned or smth?

[leaden python]

Simo blessed scs with delete messages in this channel so we don't have to beg for @ mods every time something like that comes up, so I decided that I might as well use it for once

[short spire]

maybe its best to let mods know so they can give warnings though, no?

[elfin vortex]

Uh what happened

[limpid ruin]

it dont matter, we'll soon have our own yellow names and theyll all be xero 🥺

[grizzled maple]

Mods will still handle any actual spam. Odds are if someone is trolling, it's not just here. We can just help manage our space though.

Like if someone is for real spamming yes ping mods. If someone is meming, ping us.

[drifting scarab]

I got a run of mine verified. Could I get the speedrunner role please?

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/yjgkxw3y

[somber cedar]

What's the best way to practice bosses with a timer, in particular Hornet 2? What do I use as starting split for consistent timing?

[steady lynx]

I think most consistent you can get is in the load entering the room but then you have to do the movement down to her

[somber cedar]

so manual start on transition while I wait for the load?

[steady lynx]

yeah basically

[somber cedar]

aight, ty

[steady lynx]

Also cdash in since every run that fights Hornet 2 does that

[dense swallow]

why do people kill vengfly in speedruns?

[grizzled maple]

you mean vengefly king? the one holding zote?

[dense swallow]

yes

[grizzled maple]

for geo, except in 112 where he is required, but they also need geo

[dense swallow]

right

[maiden bane]

ghostbusters erasure

[dense swallow]

do you think doing vengeful spirit skips (which save 5 seconds or so) should be used if not confident and will most likely take damage?

[grizzled maple]

The two that matter have consistent back ups. It's worth going for but failing isn't a big deal.

It's also more than 5 seconds, the one by the first hornet encounter is almost 10, and the last one is closer to 12

The only backup that really matters is the squit pogo

[elfin vortex]

Take damage? Theres no dangers involved in the fireball skips so always at least attempt it in a run and as emray said use squit as back up for the hornet one. The last one also has the backup of pogoing the husk thingy too

If ur not confident in fireball skips practise them in debug abit

[maiden bane]

On CP the husk is no longer in a good position for dudepogo if you attempt the FB skip

[normal aspen]

yeah it is

just cant try it like 3 tinmes

so try it once then do manpogo

[maiden bane]

Maybe I'm just slow? I never have it in a good spot after I fail once

[elfin vortex]

I swear u still can cuz I did it a few times. But even still in that case practise in debug and for the last one use the setup of the arch above u

[normal aspen]

i dont think u cant kill the mosscreep and try it then make manpogo maybe?

so u need 6 soul going in ig

[elfin vortex]

I think failing it twice and then attempting the pogo will result in the bug being too far away to lure

[normal aspen]

yeah so just try it once

[haughty fossil]

yeah you definitely have enough time for manpogo even if you fireball twice, just gotta be fast with your buffer jumps up to that point and remember if you're late you have to bait the husk twice

[dreamy bough]

cp actually has it consistent if you fail it once i believe x)

[dreamy bough]

Late answer but timer mod will allow you to get extrememely consistent times

Just set a trigger before the arena and one after

[haughty fossil]

waiting for the arena to open though

weh

[dreamy bough]

consistent timings tho

[haughty fossil]

so is coming from the transition, you're just timing a tiny bit of movement before the fight as well

[elfin vortex]

Does anyone have tips for pogaxe btw? Idk why I keep failing it but I often pogo the axe and make it barely short of the platform. Tried it a bunch in debug and I couldnt get it consistently despite it seeming relatively simple.

[sinful scarab]

is it actually the case that low fps of all things causes input lag

[grizzled maple]

no, in fact most games run fine at 30-60 fps. just hk is 🍝 code and input responsiveness happens to be related to fps

[sinful scarab]

I meant in terms of hk, so that actually is it? wow

I was trying to figure out why I was getting like over a quarter of a second in input lag and lots of dropped inputs so I guess that explains it

[grizzled maple]

yeah you really want to maximize your fps with this game, and if you cap, do so on a multiple of 50

[sinful scarab]

thanks!

I probably just can't then, or maybe I should just try current patch instead. I appreciate all the info!

[hallow orchid]

If you have a lot of lag on 1221, try current patch, it runs much better

[copper sluice]

i had issues with input lag and ps4 controller too. had to look up a fix on google it helped a lot

[sinful scarab]

do you happen to remember what your fix was? I'm using a steam controller so it might not be applicable, but it'd be worth looking at!

[stray kestrel]

switching to keyboard

[sinful scarab]

actually good point I did test it and I get the same input lag on kb so it's definitely not the controller

current patch time

[copper sluice]

you said you already disabled vsync?

[sinful scarab]

I think I did

I'll test that one more time the next time I try it!

[copper sluice]

check like nvidia control panel and make sure you dont have g-sync/v sync turned on there as well as in game

and then like emray said you can cap your framerate using rivatuner or something like that

[sinful scarab]

Ok, thanks! I'm just so glad that at least the timing is loadless because I have consistent like 7 sec loads so maybe the answer is just don't play on a potato

[somber cedar]

so, how confident do y'all tend to be in your hornet 2 before you skip the bench?

[molten aurora]

Really confident, getting the bench doesn't take too long, but dying without the bench loses a lot of time.

[hallow orchid]

Imo skip the bench if you need to beat hornet first try to pb anyway

Until then taking the bench is reasonable. Also depends how willing you are to reset

[somber cedar]

ah, that's a good way of looking at it, thanks

[quiet saddle]

Does anyone else share my strange obsession with saving the grub in Herrah every run?

I even made a sub split for it lol

I know it's free time loss but a few frames isn't really impactful at my level :P

[grizzled maple]

Yes the community is violently divided over it

even mossbag has a strong opinion and he is anti grub

remember that when you watch his content

[limpid ruin]

imagine not using that grub for optimal 0.05s nail turnaround timesave 😤

[fallen forum]

saving the grub is just talking to elderbug for speedrunners

or alternatively, talking to elderbug is saving the grub for youtube comments

[hallow orchid]

Wow I used to like mossbag too

[elfin vortex]

Lol imagine not doing 112 (best cat obvs) and saving every grub

[molten aurora]

The comeback

[dark blaze]

damn now im a fan

[strong vessel]

112 best category

[warm bramble]

What is hollow knights version?

Thanks

[jagged vault]

The patch you are playing on is shown in the main menu

[warm bramble]

How do I make a video link?

It says I do.

And won't let me pass until I get one.

[grizzled maple]

Hi

[warm bramble]

It took me a moment to realize
i was on the submit run screen

[grizzled maple]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[grizzled maple]

So what is the problem?

[warm bramble]

How do I start a speedrun

[grizzled maple]

Check pins for a lot of info. We are not going to teach you how to stream or record, there's plenty of resources online for that.

The best software is obs and you can start there.

[fallen roost]

i don't know much about speedrunning or hollow knight but i do know a lot about pc optimization and tweaking so here's some stuff to do if you want there's a chance that if you search up graphic settings in your windows search bar, you can find hardware accelerations gpu sceduling and make sure to turn that on and now in the same place, in choose an app to set preference, go to your hollow knight game file and find the .exe it'sj probably somewhere in your program files idk where it is because i don't have hollow knight on steam so yea after you find it, click on it and click like open or whatever and then click on it below where it says brose and make sure it's set on high performance then you can also do windows key + r then type msconfig click enter now go to boot, advanced options, check the box for number of processors click on thedrop down box and click the highest number, then click ok, apply, ok it will ask you to restart and restart if you want or whenever you can and there are countless more and manymore advanced ways to optimizae your computer but these are just extremely quick and helpful things that definitely cannot break your computer in any way except if you do it incorrectly so yea i will type some more stuff if i feel like it :D

and you also delete your temp, prefetch, and windows update files if you haven't done this already, it will be helpful

i feel weird now bye

i'm cringing at myself i will ploof myself out

[tepid schooner]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[slim geyser]

not sure the psa was necissary

given that HK's inputs are frame/performance dependent, hardware optimization is legitimately relevant at every level.

but I also have no real idea what was said

[limpid ruin]

yea, that is definitely not readably formatted to me 🥴

[fading fern]

From 106% to True Ending, lemme just say I wasn't religiously ready for The Radiance in this category

it was a for fun yolo stream. I knew the route but did it without any practice whatsoever

[grizzled maple]

Yeah lmao uhh she's a whole other monster

Especially if you're used to the baby 106 fight. Weeniance

[fading fern]

Yeah I got my ass kicked for over an hour

[grizzled maple]

GG finishing though

[fading fern]

I felt the same way I felt when I was fighting NKG for the first time

Thanks!

And I did take the chance and I improved on my HK fight

The Radiance is just sooooooo hard with all the randomness and those annoying 3-ball attacks

[grizzled maple]

Yeah she's all around hard. This specific category and boss is up there as one of the most technically demanding fights in all of hk

Learning to navigate everything while also lining up doubles is insane gamer stuff

[fading fern]

Nice, I went from a crazy long run like 106% to one with one of the most technically demanding fights

sarcasm, I wanna get better at this category, it's fun

[fallen forum]

yeah, the bad thing about te is all the hard boss fights, the great thing about te is all the hard boss fights

at least in my experience learning it

radiance makes me want to die but is unironically a really fun fight to practice

[fading fern]

It is great practice! Funny enough the Watcher Knights were more chill than I expected

maybe I was just lucky, we'll never know

[fallen forum]

watcher knights really arent that bad with shade soul tbh

nowhere near as scary as some of the other bosses for me anyways

not that i dont die to them from time to time but thats just cause i suck lmao

[quiet saddle]

https://youtu.be/OfmRtq6ZNT0

^ can I get some help with double mantis pogo? I've gotten the trick quite a bit in the past but recently, I find I keep screwing it up

[fading fern]

Tbh doing randomizer runs and fighting them without much was good practice

Oh Gosh Mantis Pogo is so annyoing

[quiet saddle]

Specifically, the 2nd and last try in that video, the right side mantis seems too close to me/he attacks and that fucks up my attempt to pogo

[molten aurora]

The biggest thing is, you seem to be spending too long in the hut, you just need a tiny hop and side slash to hit that lever, then dash out immediately.

[quiet saddle]

Like a minihop (tapping the A button barely) or a jump slightly bigger than a minihop?

Idk if minihop's the official term; it's what fireb0rn calls the smallest jump in his guide

[molten aurora]

I think it's a minihop, but it's muscle memory at this point, so I'm not 100% sure.

[molten aurora]

If the right mantis is too close, it means you were a bit too slow, and he sometimes just rng attacks, not much you can do about that

It's not super often he attacks though.

Basically never in practice and always in runs

[quiet saddle]

Me dying to THK

[grizzled maple]

Okay so looking at just the first two what it looks like to me is that you're good until the lever. Compare what you do to get back right to other runners to see the error

Its causing you to be a little too late going back

You also might be jumping too high to the lever

[quiet saddle]

Ok cool, thanks for that! I was really confused haha

Appreciate the tips peeps

[unique jacinth]

.....

I did a thing

[quiet saddle]

Now you gotta do 112 :)

[quiet saddle]

This helped a lot; I just watched what Pest did and realized that, for some dumb reason, I hold straight up instead of up/left so I'm missing that distance

It's why I'm always so late

I def used to hold up/left. Idk why my dumb fingers switched; it's so frustrating when a trick you're decent at just "stops" working

[stone flame]

I think there is no reason to hold up, right? Just left

[mild stratus]

https://www.twitch.tv/jeffisepic/clip/EnthusiasticSaltyParrotCurseLit--P8CnyIGvUCSC4Yg?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

I assume this is just some quality hitboxes from TC and not a weird glitch

[stone flame]

Unexpected shade cloak?

[molten aurora]

The mantis moved too far under the platform to be pogod.

[stone flame]

Oh, I just noticed the title lol

Turn invincibility off next time 4Head

[quiet saddle]

You upward slash, so you need to be holding up

[molten aurora]

Ohhhh I didn't even see you dashed through the mantis

[quiet saddle]

A side slash would knock you back so you'd be farther from the lever

[stone flame]

Oh

[molten aurora]

After the upslash you don't need to hold up again.

[stone flame]

Yeah, I meant after the upslash

[quiet saddle]

Oh, well yea, then you don't need to after that.

My error was in holding just up for upward slash after the dash, instead of up/left for walking upslash

[stone flame]

It didn't look like you stopped to do the upslash to me

[quiet saddle]

It didn't look like that to me either 😆

But I did for a few frames

I didn't even notice that I was doing it but once I slowed down the vid and saw it, then went and tried the trick, I noticed that I def was only holding up for half a second to upslash

[molten aurora]

Things like that is what makes me think it shouldn't be possible to speedrun with controller.

[grizzled maple]

Nice

[molten aurora]

All you controller players are just better

[quiet saddle]

Like they should be banned?

[molten aurora]

Nah, I just can't see myself being able to play with controller, I quit casually because I started with controller.

[quiet saddle]

I feel you; you use keyboard then?

[molten aurora]

Keyboard and mouse

[stone flame]

Why would that be an issue with controller?

Oh, maybe an issue with analog stick?

You could still play with d-pad

[molten aurora]

Holding a direction while pogoing, just didn't work for me.

[grizzled maple]

Funny story. I play analog so I actually have my down dead zone slightly more down left to make TE shade skip easy

Well now that I need to pogo while moving right in pop thats an issue :KEKW:

[quiet saddle]

Yea, it's definitely kinda weird

Beating white palace casually years ago gave me my pogo'ing ability

[dull lion]

Dpad is the right way to play hk. Except for fireball skips and dash cancels

Sorry transdash

Don’t hurt me Ax

[quiet saddle]

Yea, objectively digital inputs are superior in most situations in this game, I'd think.

Since drift is digital, not analog.

[stone flame]

Yeah, but I just am so used to analog

[quiet saddle]

As is walkiong

[stone flame]

Can't just change it

[quiet saddle]

Same, I use a stick as well.

I'm a smash player so I'm L-stick all the way bb

[grizzled maple]

Yeah same. I cant undo n64 and melee muscle memory

My brain actually cannot do 4 directional movement

[quiet saddle]

But I do think it's likely that digital inputs are superior, objectively, based on the way this game works. That being said; this game's lenient enough that I doubt that that objective superiority comes into play

[grizzled maple]

Yeah theres one situation iirc where it does and its the benefit of being able to hold left and right while on a wall to slide faster

If you do the same thing on controller one input with override the other. I believe dpad has priority

[dull lion]

^ but its not actually really useful anywhere so

[stone flame]

dpad has priority, I use this for fb skips

[grizzled maple]

I've seen people do it on the drop before cdash and thats it

[quiet saddle]

I've been wondering if I should switch to d pad for skips

But I just got an xbox controller with a GCC stick so now I'm good

I can pivot in melee; I can hit some measly skips 😆

[dull lion]

Analog only makes fireball skips like 400% more consistent IMO

[stone flame]

I use the fact that dpad has priority to hold left with analog and press right with dpad

[grizzled maple]

Yeah one of the big issues in hk is the fact that inputs are fps but turn arounds are physics frames

[quiet saddle]

So like you do a left handed claw grip then?

[grizzled maple]

So sometimes you're just hecked

[stone flame]

it's definitely a weird grip

I change it just for fb skips

[grizzled maple]

I know that xeph who plays kb still does controller in gp only because fb skips

Not sure if analog or dpad though

Like you said though i was a puff main so I got my bairs down

Please stop unfollowing me

[vocal dove]

my biggest problem with controller is the accidental double jump inputs

so tired of constant accidental wings

[molten aurora]

I accidentally double jump on keyboard too

Why is it you still occasionally hardfall in kp on the wobbly ground, even when you jump?

[limpid ruin]

most likely scenario is that you just jump too early

[molten aurora]

Huh, okay, good to know, I've only ever seen it twice thankfully.

[stray kestrel]

what's the way that you can get consistent soft fall? is it if you are on the up part of your jump when it breaks?

[warm bramble]

console won't let you use keyboard and mouse for it

[true palm]

for 1221, doing a light jump and holding neutral or changing directions as the ground is breaking does it, idk about current patch

for current patch i'd just inventory cancel the hardfall

[normal aspen]

U just jump as late as possible and land on the upper part

[sharp flicker]

yo, just checking I ask here to get the speedrunner role right to access the other channels

[hallow orchid]

Yes, but you need to have a verified run on speedrun.com to get the role

[warm bramble]

Your name has to be on the leader board?

[molten aurora]

Yep.

[sharp flicker]

aites gotcha, I do have a run on the leaderboard. Do I just DM a mod for the role ?

[short spire]

just link your run here is the easiest way

[sharp flicker]

sweet

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y2vlov9z

this is my run I guess, first time speedrunning any game and its not that good but hey its something

[molten aurora]

I wonder if I put on vys's 106 guide while I sleep, if I'll absorb the knowledge and not need to spend many hours learning the run

[regal viper]

Are there tutorials for the new cp epogo?

The one where you use vs to stall

I wanna try it out

[worldly schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM&ab_channel=mathulu

[regal viper]

Than youu

[dusk portal]

Is there any guide on how to Superslide? I want to try KP runs with Superslide

[normal aspen]

Do u have 1028?

U want to pause the frame you kill an enemy. If you pause and don't kill the enemy you were too soon. If you press pause but the game doesn't pause you were too late. Since it's forme perfect u want to cap ur fps. 120 is commonly used.

[dusk portal]

I see, I'll downpatch someday and I'll give it a try, thanks!

[past totem]

I have a question making an autosplitter config, as the one I got off src at least didn't have it

I've gotten to P5 splits, and I just want to confirm whether or not the P1-4 pantheon splits work on P5 a second time? The tooltip is just what's making me a lil uncertain

[jagged vault]

they do, you need to make sure to have "ordered splits" on for pantheon autosplits to work

so yes, you can have for example a gruz mother split for p1 and p5

[elfin vortex]

Brooo pest just lowered his time AGAIN. Like holy shit hes lowering his times again and again so quickly

[past totem]

Okay, I thought that might be the case, just wanted a confirmation. Thank you tons! 💜

[glass crescent]

Hey not sure if this is the right channel, but on speedrun.com there is a category for pantheon of hallownest speedrun for all bindings, and an all bindings current patch. So what was changed in the current patch that makes it a little slower?

[haughty fossil]

nail arts weren't affected by nail binding on 1424

on current patch though both collector and absrad received significant nerfs in p5 so all other pantheon runs will use that

but for 1424 ab the goal is just spam nail arts that do as much damage as spells 🥴

[frank obsidian]

I m going to try Elderbug% again. Yesterday showed me why people hate sanctum

[sly jay]

anyone know a good software alternative to livesplit for mac?

[glass crescent]

got it, thanks jamie

[haughty fossil]

technically you don't need a timer because anything not using livesplit will be timed RTA anyway. that being said you can use something like livesplit one, which is a browser app that behaves a bit like livesplit, minus the autosplitter functionality

[sly jay]

so as long as i record it it'll be fine?

[haughty fossil]

yeah as long as there's a recording we can time it RTA

[frank obsidian]

Yes, but without a load remover your times will be slower

[snow dome]

Yeah, you just take your start and end time from the video

You can't load remove on Mac

[sly jay]

gotcha, thanks y'all

[haughty fossil]

wait what?

[snow dome]

Your time is against other Mac times, so it's still fair (ish)

[digital jewel]

can't*

[snow dome]

Yeah that's what I now said

[haughty fossil]

that makes a lot more sense

[snow dome]

<.<

[haughty fossil]

I know a couple people dual boot specifically for Windows to run livesplit, not sure how doable that is on a mac but

[frank obsidian]

It's so annoying that you need to get desolate dive to get

[sly jay]

mine's an el capitan 🤔

why dual boot when i can just play on windows lol

[haughty fossil]

that's what dual booting is

[sly jay]

i mean, the only reason im speedrunning on mac is cuz i spend more time on it then my windows dektop

ahhh

[haughty fossil]

if you have a separate pc that can run HK I'd def. suggest it

[snow dome]

If you want to challenge for the best times you'll want to do it on a PC

Given that you have access to one

[sly jay]

i mean, i played hk at the smallest resolution at some point

oh it does lol

but u gotta make it smaller
its actually bigger when im not in vc but this is the general idea of what it looks like
(image deleted cuz privacy reasons but window was small af)

[digital jewel]

uhhh

is this a troll

[sly jay]

no lol

thats genuinely how i played hk

[digital jewel]

what the fuck

[snow dome]

:doubt:

[frank obsidian]

jk

[haughty fossil]

timing jumps for fireball skips when the Knight is 10px away from the other edge of the screen

[frank obsidian]

Also u get to be in vc with fireb0rn

[digital jewel]

ok a recording of a window this small would not be verified sadly

[sly jay]

god thats gonna be a pain to do lol

[digital jewel]

also how do you only get 20fps when it's this small already

and on current patch

[sly jay]

lemme send my current hk window size

uhh thats cuz im in vc lol

[haughty fossil]

please just use a better computer when you're getting worse fps than consoles you know somethings gotta change

[digital jewel]

if you have another system that would run the game any better then please use it for your sanity

[frank obsidian]

their window size

[sly jay]

thats the biggest i can go for, not sure what'll happen if i record it at the same time

[frank obsidian]

Leitmotif in HK soundtrack

[fair island]

Having alot of stuff open in the background including chrom really doesn't help performance

[sly jay]

yea im gonna be closing it all when i record it lol

[digital jewel]

yeah I'm not sure if that would be verifiable tbh

[sly jay]

darn

[frank obsidian]

why do u make it so smol again?

[fair island]

Performance

[leaden python]

you can record a screen with your phone, seems like you have a decent camera

[sly jay]

ohh will that work?

[leaden python]

yeah, as long as the gameplay and a timer are visible you're good to go

[digital jewel]

how good is your windows system

[sly jay]

uhh way better than my mac

[digital jewel]

why would you intentionally play like this when you have a better option

[sly jay]

i spend more time on my mac than my windows desktop lol

and desktops arent portable

[digital jewel]

I spend more time using my fridge than my cooker but I still don't try to cook with the fridge

[sly jay]

LOL

makes sense

[digital jewel]

on windows you get autosplitter and load removal too

[onyx spade]

might just be for me, but when I switched to windows using bootcamp, I had way less input drops and game ran smoother

[sly jay]

true lol

[onyx spade]

however THK fight and radiance fight did not run well on windows for some reason (even though they were fine on mac os)

[sly jay]

i might just record it later today then

[leaden python]

oh I haven't heard too far to know you have a decent windows setup. Yeah definitely play there

[fresh sentinel]

lmao zen and his small hk

but i just wanna say that u can beat pop with roughly that size (used debug to zoom out a lot)

[true palm]

i mean if you wanted to run cp you could practice on your mac and then like run when you have time on your pc, but the autosplitter is pretty essential

[haughty fossil]

game at 20fps is a different game to game like above 100

[true palm]

oh definitely

[sly jay]

its actually like 60 but being in vc and watching stream just kills my mac lmao

[sly jay]

no

[true palm]

60s actually on the lower side (the game has input lag at low fps)

[haughty fossil]

60 still way too low for this game 🥴

[sly jay]

better than 20 lol

[true palm]

you're not wrong but its going to feel different running between the two, but the choice is yours

[haughty fossil]

the real tech is using your 20fps superpowers to kill baldurs without longnail and get free spelless wr

[sly jay]

is it better to record with my phone or my mac then?

[true palm]

you should screen record on your pc

[sly jay]

big brain lol

[true palm]

but if you run on your mac record with your phone

your mac will not handle recording software

[sly jay]

gotcha, thanks lol

[sly jay]

unless...?

[true palm]

but like it wont

[verbal ginkgo]

Hello, I have a question, Do you guys have any tips to memorize routes ?

[true palm]

notes in split names

or just using split names

[verbal ginkgo]

split names?

[true palm]

livesplit the timer

[dusk portal]

Yeah, like for exemple KP, Dirtmouth, Grub 1, Grub 2...

[verbal ginkgo]

ahh i see

[true palm]

see you can infer a lot about the route just by looking at these low% splits

[verbal ginkgo]

oh ye i can see

[true palm]

obviously individual room movement just takes time

[verbal ginkgo]

Thank you :p

[true palm]

but particularly for like when you quit out to the same bench reminds you of where you're going next

another tip

is for stag stations to write it down in your splits if your running a non any% category

for instance if you go down 1 you put 1D in splits and up 2 would be 2U

for any% its just 1 down for all stags so it doesnt matter

if theres a minor thing you're forgetting you can also write it in splits, (Equip Shamans) is a classic

with enough time practicing and running you will just kind of autopilot to the right place

[verbal ginkgo]

for example 2 days ago i started watching Speedruns kind of, and well since i've enjoyed speedruns in the past years and so on, and hollow knight seems a good game I kinda got interest in speedrunning it and learning it

so i tried watching a few "guides" in yt about the speedruns in hollow knight over all but the routes seems complicated as hell and i can't get them right in any time

[true palm]

got it, good resources are on speedrun.com, and pinned comments

[verbal ginkgo]

another bad habit from me

[true palm]

fireborns any% guide is a great starting place, and covers setup as well, like downpatching livesplit obs etc

[verbal ginkgo]

it's like i'm super perfectionist with myself, I hate doing mistakes that can easily be "fixed" by just paying attention u know? so if i fail a route i get purely mad for some reason even if it's for example my first time doing it (?)

[true palm]

mistakes happen all the time, dont stress it

my first submitted run had like 4 deaths

you cant be perfect the first time

[verbal ginkgo]

i mean you can never be perfect

[true palm]

a lot of what you see is from people with thousands of hours, and they still make mistakes

[verbal ginkgo]

yea i know

yesterday at night was watching one of fireb0rn runs and he did a few mistakes but he wasn't used to the route yet i tihnk

not sure

[true palm]

ye fireb0rns been learning 112, which is long and on a different patch than they're used to

[verbal ginkgo]

i'll prob just try and learn the any% route

i just don't know if i should do the current patch or the 1.2.2.1

[true palm]

so general rule of thumb

any% is the most popular

all skills is slightly easier and faster to learn but longer (also dont run it on cp)

[verbal ginkgo]

cp = current patch?

[true palm]

yup

[verbal ginkgo]

kk ty

any more advices?

[true palm]

downpatching is a process, and 1221 runs worse than cp so dont run 1221 on like a toaster

lower fps = more input lag

because team cherry spaghetti code

[verbal ginkgo]

my pc is not a bad pc so i think it'll be fine

[true palm]

current patch is a fun route, the notable differences only suck at a top level

[verbal ginkgo]

i play the current patch with good fps like 400 so ye

[true palm]

you should be fine then

[verbal ginkgo]

I have one more question tho

[true palm]

k shoot

[verbal ginkgo]

and this is the one that makes me the most confusing

so you see, speedrunners tend to play the game in chinese right?

[true palm]

text goes faster

[verbal ginkgo]

Do you think I should start with chinese or english?

yea i know

[true palm]

just do chinese

[verbal ginkgo]

but for example at stag locations for me in chinese is a problem

[true palm]

for any%

just hit 1 down

and thats the correct stag

[verbal ginkgo]

1 down?

[true palm]

yup

[verbal ginkgo]

sry im a bit confused

[true palm]

so when it pops up the menu

you can go up or down selections

[knotty wedge]

Quick question Rvined

[true palm]

down 1 selection is always correct

if you run categories that are longer with more stags you'll see people put notes in their splits

[knotty wedge]

Rvined can I ask a question of you?

[verbal ginkgo]

yes

ask

ahh i see, thank you @true palm :p

[knotty wedge]

Do you try to memorise your stag station position on the list because I try to remember where each stag is.

[true palm]

the list changes pretty easily

different categories get stags at different spots

[verbal ginkgo]

The thing is, the reason why i never tried to do that is bcs idk if in chinese the location would be the same

like in the list i mean

[true palm]

just memorize the amount of positions up and down you go

[knotty wedge]

Oh I see thanks.

[true palm]

for instance DV stag is last on the list in low%, but in TE Hidden Station is last

[verbal ginkgo]

Ohh okay gotcha thank you! :D

[true palm]

you wont lose a lot of time to english

but its just wasted time

[knotty wedge]

I'll go practice

[true palm]

for any% its just 1 down

1xx categories already have them noted in the provided splits

idk the all skills ones off the top of my head

but theres 0 benefit to english, idr the amount of time you lose to its but its a big deal considering with some notes you could just save all that time

[normal aspen]

Can just have stag instructions in split names too

[true palm]

you do the number and then direction like 1U for 1 up 2D for 2 down

[steady lynx]

I kinda memorised the 112 stag stuff

[sharp jacinth]

hi everybody! i am new at this channel so I come to ask you a question...
I've followeb fireborn's guide to downpatch (the updated-steam method). I Successfully downpatched HK to 1.2.2.1, but downpatched version does not recognize my controller. I have no iussues with my 1.4.3.2 patch version...

Do you know what can be happening? I tried to re-configure steam controller config and still not working

Thanks in advance ❤️

[haughty fossil]

are you using switch pro controller?

[sharp jacinth]

i am using a standard-rancid usb controller. Steam recognises it as xbox controller

[hearty adder]

If steam controller support isn't working, you may have to consider something like joy2key, which binds joystick input to keyboard input

[frank obsidian]

Guys I finished an Elderbug% run!

[sharp jacinth]

thanks Zana, I did not know about joy2key. Will check it!

[true palm]

the other option that i personally use is renaming my 1221 folder to "Hollow Knight" and launching it through steam for controller support

joy 2 key is better in every way but 1, which is you lose clawgrip support which is a way to do fireball skips

[sly jay]

quick question, is audio required or can i just mute it?

[true palm]

game audios required music is not

you'll want audio for wk in particular

[sly jay]

fk im recording with my phone and i didnt have audio on for gaem

[true palm]

ye you're going to have to play it out of your speakers or something

[sly jay]

guess i gotta do it later since im in a noisy room

ty for telling me tho lol

[true palm]

also make sure to record the title screen

thats one people forget a lot

[sly jay]

makes sense lol

[subtle glade]

Btw why do you record the title screen?

[hearty adder]

It's so verifiers can check the game version, plus main menu screen displays any mods that may be installed

[subtle glade]

Is it only for current patch? Because normal any% it doesn't matter what version it is right?

[stable quarry]

So when recording a run you should start at the first screen after you start the game and stop after the title screen when it says "press any button to continue"?

[subtle glade]

I would guess it's enough if you just show livesplit getting stopped, rest shouldn't matter right?

The only rule it says about when to start/stop recording is to show the title screen for full game runs

[stone flame]

Unless your run requires verification of %, you can stop after THK I think

[subtle glade]

I think the time stops after the cutscene right?

[stone flame]

Just before the cutscene starts, after you focus and get all the infection

[stable quarry]

I started the recording at the profile screen so I guess I am not getting verified (All skills NMG)

[snow dome]

Your recording must start at the main title screen, and end after either the timer has fully stopped, or after the Game Completion screen for things that require a %age.

This is done so that it can be verified that your run is on the patch you state and you are not using any mods.

You can click the "View Rules" button on speedrun.com when viewing the leaderboard for the category you want to run to make sure you're doing everything correctly.

[stable quarry]

Wish I did that before uploading a run but its a 1,42hour so wont be hard to beat

[hearty adder]

Always best to check the rules of the category and the game before trying to submit

[stable quarry]

Yeah, think I knew to just simply forgot

It happens

[next jasper]

is there a way to create multiple savestates at once? When using the debug mod to savestate i'm only being able to do it once, then it overwrites the last one i did when making a new one

[digital jewel]

look at the most recent pinned version in #resources

it has multiple savestates

[snow dome]

The upside of this is that if it's your first submission, you will get a better time soon enough.

[next jasper]

I think I have that version, how do I access the savestates?

[stone flame]

Sad, my first sub hour AS run got rejected because my PC is bad. There was a huge frame drop in the recording and I didn't realize. Kind of makes me afraid of trying again before upgrading my PC. I guess I could make the quality worse in OBS too.

[true palm]

what fps/ resolution, and bitrate are you recording at and whats the process prio on obs?

[subtle glade]

If you can't record with obs maybe just record your screen with your phone?

[true palm]

main drawback is having to play the sound out loud

[subtle glade]

I play with sound out loud anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true palm]

first of all you can easily drop that fps to 30 and the quality to 720p

720p is what you see in streams on twitch

and youtube is 1080 for hd

your monitor has a different ratio so idk the number for that

[subtle glade]

In rules it is only said it should be a "watchable" quality, so I think you could go even lower than 720

[true palm]

you can go lower

im saying with no real quality effects you could drop it

[stone flame]

Hmm I see

[subtle glade]

Right that makes sense

[true palm]

another thing you can do is set the process to high or very high

this tends to make recordings smoother

[stone flame]

Yeah, I could try that, thanks!

[true palm]

your bitrate is fine, but i'd just try recording some practice runs with around 720p 30fps and high priority and see what it looks like

[stone flame]

Mine is set to normal

[true palm]

normal is default if you raise it recordings better in-game is worse

so id raise it to high play around and see what the gameplays like

[stone flame]

These are the options for aspect ratio I have. Maybe 1120 x 700?

Yeah, I am going to change somethings to see how it goes.

[true palm]

id pick between 1008 x 630 with those options

quite frankly i'd just change your output ratio to 16:9

so nothing gets cropped

[stone flame]

is that possible?

oh yeah, it is

I should change the Canvas Resolution

[true palm]

yup

[stone flame]

Okay, thanks!

[fair island]

Having OBS change aspect ratio makes performance worse in my experience

[true palm]

depends on how you downscale

i'd play around with it

if your pc is that tight i might not actually do it kind of didnt consider that

[stone flame]

I think the main problem is the GPU, the CPU is fine I think

[fair island]

What's your in-game settings?

[true palm]

in-game doesnt have options outside particles on 1221

which if you got sub hour cp all skills thats huge

[stone flame]

no no, it's 1221

I don't play full screen

[true palm]

just make sure particles low but thats all you can do

[stone flame]

just opened the game and played in King's Pass a bit and without recording my game is running at around 120 FPS lol

fluctuating between 100 and 140

[true palm]

thats obviously not great

but when i first started running i had vsync on by accident in 1221

was doing queens station skip and everything with it on

so if its what you have to run with you can

[knotty vigil]

whats the geo routing to get luma (current patch)

[steady lynx]

Depends on category

[knotty vigil]

any% nmg switch

[true palm]

same as 1221 but you skip bottom row husks, so its a journal, 2 seals wk chest and gorgeous husk

[steady lynx]

In any% you get watcher chest and a few relics

[knotty vigil]

whats watcher chest lol

[steady lynx]

After killing Watcher Knight

[knotty vigil]

so we get luma after wk

[true palm]

yup

fireborns 1221 any% guide covers the basic route, i'd check out jamies cp powerpoint as well, sporeshrooms pretty trendy and for that i'd check out mathulus or onmiwes runs

since they're commentated

[knotty vigil]

is nail 0 still better on current patch

[steady lynx]

It's faster

[true palm]

nail 1 is a beginner strat that i'd avoid

[steady lynx]

Did I ever submit a console any% run?

[knotty vigil]

i dont know how to 2 cycle uumuu with either

[true palm]

you cant 2 cycle cp

[normal aspen]

you mioght be able to

[true palm]

(theoretically yes but its never been done)

[normal aspen]

its just insanely cursed

[knotty vigil]

oh, didnt know

[normal aspen]

mag ismas route on cp 2 cycles uumuu

[steady lynx]

If PC runners can't do it don't expect to do it on console

[true palm]

for uumuu heres a cp guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chh_BuLfdVI

basically uumuu doesnt get stuck in platforms so you go for doubles instead

[knotty vigil]

i assume the seals you grab are kings station and spire

[true palm]

yup

[knotty vigil]

which journal?

[true palm]

the journals the one above kings station

[knotty vigil]

i cant see it on the map cuz of my laptop screens black splotch lol

[true palm]

so when you drop from resting grounds into city of tears

from the elevator

its in that big room

near the bottom

[knotty vigil]

ohh tyty

imma do a winged run now lol, thanks for the help, im also gonna use igt bc i dont feel like trying to prop my phone for a recording

[true palm]

gorgeous husk is to the left of kings station in the top most building

pick them up as well

[knotty vigil]

and all of that leaves enough geo? or do i have to kill CoT enemies/grab geo deposits

[true palm]

theres like a bunch of annoying husks in the building and you kill them and ghusk

you should get enough geo between journal 2 seals wk chest gorgeous husk and the husks in that building and then the big husk sentry to get into spire

[knotty vigil]

oki

how do we get to lemm? spire?

[true palm]

go left after spire ye

[knotty vigil]

oki ty

[true palm]

have you heard of sporeshroom route?

[knotty vigil]

under station and grabbing sporeshroom while your there right?

[true palm]

so you will not be able to wing qga fyi

[knotty vigil]

last run i did i took lords route cuz i didnt have that deepnest memorised l

ive done qga before, like twice lol