#speedrunning | Hollow Knight | Page 147

static crow Apr 5, 2021, 6:10 PM

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so we need a run to be able to ask about certain runs?

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Having a verified run and speedrunning role will let you actively participate in discussion of specific categories, however if you have any questions you can ask them here

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plus, you can still browse the category chats if you need any info from there

static crow Apr 5, 2021, 6:12 PM

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how do u get a run in?

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Check speedrun.com to discover any category you may be interested in running, follow the rules, record, submit, and wait

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if it gets verified, you can send the link here and ask to get a blue name

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src (speedrun.com) has a lot of useful guides and resources; you can also find resources here on #resources , and guides and other cool stuff on the pinned messages of each category chat

vital geyser Apr 5, 2021, 6:21 PM

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oh yeah i still need to get the role

static crow Apr 5, 2021, 6:27 PM

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how good does the run need to be?

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 6:27 PM

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there's no minimum requirement to how "good" it needs to be

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it just has to be a run

static crow Apr 5, 2021, 6:27 PM

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oh

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 6:27 PM

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of course, sticking to the rules

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as long as it's a run that you're happy with, submit away

static crow Apr 5, 2021, 6:31 PM

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damn wish i recorded my last one

elfin vortex Apr 5, 2021, 6:40 PM

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112 lol and like fluffy said I think it was a charm notch one where I regained all hp from getting the notch but kept the fury buffs

haughty fossil Apr 5, 2021, 6:41 PM

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that glitch is known and fully permitted

rugged crow Apr 5, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Charm notch glitch isnt major

haughty fossil Apr 5, 2021, 6:41 PM

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the fury glitch that is disallowed is joni's fury

elfin vortex Apr 5, 2021, 6:42 PM

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It isnt? Huh ngl im surprised the one I got was legal in that case

haughty fossil Apr 5, 2021, 6:43 PM

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i mean it immediately goes away on taking damage again and is only really used in claw split, where you don't even need to kill anything. maintaining the fury buff all the way to sanctum would be required to make it worth, and that's just unrealistic

elfin vortex Apr 5, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Why would it be unrealistic? Given enough practise u could definetely maintain it till sanctum

hot latch Apr 5, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Quick question, does anyone have a good way for livesplit to not eat my cpu? I wanna try to use a better framerate for obs lol

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 6:45 PM

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Do you use a color key filter on obs?

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if so, don't

verbal stag Apr 5, 2021, 6:45 PM

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turning on ordered splits helps performance

hot latch Apr 5, 2021, 6:46 PM

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No i don't, Obs only uses like 9% if i run on 60fps, but livesplit is just using 15% for fun

haughty fossil Apr 5, 2021, 6:46 PM

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elfin vortex Why would it be unrealistic? Given enough practise u could definetely maintain i...

you do several strats that have an rng chance of getting hit to go faster. sanctum itself is complete rng when going fast, and to gain significant advantage you'd need fury at soul master.

hot latch Apr 5, 2021, 6:46 PM

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I'll try that

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 6:46 PM

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hot latch No i don't, Obs only uses like 9% if i run on 60fps, but livesplit is just using...

recording at 30fps is also ok for this game

hot latch Apr 5, 2021, 6:46 PM

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Yeah i'll prob just do 30, but doing 10 right now is just sad

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 6:47 PM

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i'd say try lowering your obs usage to balance out the livesplit usage

elfin vortex Apr 5, 2021, 6:48 PM

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haughty fossil you do several strats that have an rng chance of getting hit to go faster. sanct...

True. I hate sanctum so much cuz of those flying feckers

hot latch Apr 5, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Thank you guys i think it should be a bit better now!

vocal dove Apr 5, 2021, 6:53 PM

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i recently found that i get better performance overall by turning off the preview in OBS

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of course it's probably good to turn it back on every once in a while to make sure your stream still looks good

elfin vortex Apr 5, 2021, 6:57 PM

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How do u turn preview off? I would like to but dont know where the option is

haughty fossil Apr 5, 2021, 6:57 PM

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right click preview panel, untick "enable preview"

vital geyser Apr 5, 2021, 7:01 PM

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ok i think im dumb. i only see a way to put it in windowed

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 7:03 PM

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using either -popupwindow or alt+enter will make it borderless windowed; though i've had some instances in which the game just opens windowed for some reason, for that i just press alt+enter and it should go back to normal

vital geyser Apr 5, 2021, 7:04 PM

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ive been trying alt enter and it cycles between windowed and full screen

elfin vortex Apr 5, 2021, 7:18 PM

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haughty fossil right click preview panel, untick "enable preview"

Thx

flint flare Apr 5, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Finally got a verified run! Is there anything else I need to do for the speedrunner tag?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yj10gpny

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hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 8:03 PM

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just wait until a mod sees this so they can assign you the role grubhappy

strong vessel Apr 5, 2021, 8:23 PM

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haughty fossil i mean it immediately goes away on taking damage again and is only really used i...

Lmao Blue did that in a run today, all the way to Soul Master

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It was insane

low bramble Apr 5, 2021, 8:23 PM

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then immediately dashed into soul master lol

strong vessel Apr 5, 2021, 8:24 PM

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Yep

last inlet Apr 5, 2021, 8:26 PM

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he would have lost it going to storerooms regardlees iirc so it wouldn't have been used a huge amount other than soul master phase 2

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 8:40 PM

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haughty fossil the fury glitch that is disallowed is joni's fury

What's that

knotty vigil Apr 5, 2021, 8:57 PM

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how do i create another livesplit preset? do i just save my previous one and then delete the splits and create a new one?

last inlet Apr 5, 2021, 8:58 PM

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save existing splits, edit them to your new ones, then save as

stiff delta Apr 5, 2021, 8:58 PM

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you could just edit them and then hit save as

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snail moment

last inlet Apr 5, 2021, 8:58 PM

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as long as you hit save as it'll put them in a new file

knotty vigil Apr 5, 2021, 8:58 PM

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ok good

stray kestrel Apr 5, 2021, 9:05 PM

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frank obsidian What's that

You get down to fury with Joni's equipped then I think exit a pantheon or something and you'll have full health and fury

quiet saddle Apr 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Anyone ever gotten this glitch? Was fighting WK (debug mod) and it froze right here. Music still playing, screen still shakes but no input is accepted and no other movement happens lol

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Is there a glitch where if one dies right as another one roars, it freezes?

digital jewel Apr 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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uh yeah more or less

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when two events that set timescale to 0 overlap it can cause this

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fixed by opening menu

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and then closing it

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usually it happens when you kill the 2 knights 1? frame apart from each other

grizzled maple Apr 5, 2021, 9:52 PM

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It can also happen in other fights where there's more than 2 enemies that can die/stagger at the same time. A common one is broken vessel and lost kin

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 9:56 PM

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It's just more commonly seen at WKs because of how the fight is

limpid ruin Apr 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Also hornet 2 I've had it in

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Guys I was practicing the first Greenpath fireball skip and I just got it for the first time!

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hollowD

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shroompog

slim geyser Apr 5, 2021, 10:43 PM

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nice ins0mn2Comfy

grand elm Apr 5, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Clap

vital geyser Apr 5, 2021, 10:51 PM

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very nice

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shroompog

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 10:53 PM

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I was just messing around with a damageless any% current patch route and OMG

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I took like 5 hits in the run and I died like right after lol, but this is way faster than I was expecting. It was quite slow in several spots, too

quiet saddle Apr 5, 2021, 10:57 PM

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digital jewel when two events that set timescale to 0 overlap it can cause this

Oh, good to know for future. I opened the inventory and it didn't help anything, and meant I couldn't pause lmao

quiet saddle Apr 5, 2021, 10:58 PM

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naive nova I was just messing around with a damageless any% current patch route and OMG

Idk much about CP. What's the "OMG" for here?

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Also weird to me to see overcharmed in Any% lol

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:03 PM

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it was damagless any%

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they got hit in beasts den

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and theyre overcharmed with soulcatcher shamans id presume

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i presume based on the hp they got hit at the end of a devouts slash

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which would do 4 damage overcharmed

quiet saddle Apr 5, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Oh I'm dumb; I def assumed they purposefully went down to 1 HP

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For like fury or something

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At the beginning

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And then just played the run out for more dmg

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:04 PM

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youd see red around the borders if they had fury

quiet saddle Apr 5, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Makes sense; I've only ever seen fury's effect once

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In that case, big rip. That run was looking good :(

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:05 PM

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ye its only really used in 1xx runs

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because it takes an eternity to get and shamans is just better

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but 1xx has to get everything in the game anyway, meaning they have different routing than shadeskips, and as such can use it for hornet, false knight and soul master

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Yeah overcharmed with soul catcher

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It was a throwaway run, I was just trying to get an idea of how fast the route was

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Looks like sub 44:00 for a decent run easily

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:08 PM

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so do you just do steel soul route?

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because i think thatd be the best way imo

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Actually not sure, THK will s quite a bit weaker in 1221 right?

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:08 PM

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you can do steel soul in cp

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its the same route

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Nah I timed it out and shroomies+seal+some extra geo elsewhere is just about even with jinn

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:09 PM

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(steel soul cp gets sporeshroom but thats the only real major change, that and lever skip)

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:09 PM

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And jinn can screw you with bad luck

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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im just saying the route for any% ss is the fastest any% route without shade skip

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Thanks for the pogs everyone hollowD

light dune Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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I just finished hollow knight do you think I should jump into speedrunning asap or should I try to beat it a few more times?

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Not getting strength or nail upgrade

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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light dune I just finished hollow knight do you think I should jump into speedrunning asap ...

How much did you finish it?

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Oh yeah but I’m not fucking around with dark deepnest hitless lol

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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The Hollow Knight? Sealed Siblings? Dream No More? Embrace the Void?

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Thanks but no thanks

maiden bane Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Personally I think casual -> item randomizer -> speedrunning is the comfiest progression

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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naive nova Oh yeah but I’m not fucking around with dark deepnest hitless lol

ah but its actually not that bad, you just vs the deeplings

light dune Apr 5, 2021, 11:10 PM

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The Hollow Knight

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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ye thats not finished

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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maiden bane Personally I think casual -> item randomizer -> speedrunning is the comfiest pro...

item+enemy randomizer is pretty pog

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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like at least 100% with radiance is finished imo

maiden bane Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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I think enemy randomizer is very antipog

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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think you can opt out of pantheons

hallow orchid Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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yeah don't do enemy rando imo

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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light dune The Hollow Knight

Maybe go for some other endings. At least Dream No More, Embrace the Void if ur feeling like a god

hallow orchid Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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but honestly, do what you want to do. If you want to do any% speedruns, there's nothing stopping you from learning it now

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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maiden bane I think enemy randomizer is very antipog

i disagree

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Enemy rando is more akin to just casual gameplay, item rando has you doing skips and stuff

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:11 PM

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for speedruns, pantheon experience isnt needed

light dune Apr 5, 2021, 11:12 PM

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frank obsidian Maybe go for some other endings. At least Dream No More, Embrace the Void if ur ...

Thanks dude.

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:12 PM

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hearty adder Enemy rando is more akin to just casual gameplay, item rando has you doing skips...

You do both tho

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 11:12 PM

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(Please don't ping)

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:12 PM

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heck sorry

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my bad

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Yeah not really trying to grind out an excellent time, honestly just shooting for sub 45 damageless and it looks easier than I thought

hearty adder Apr 5, 2021, 11:13 PM

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45 is an excellent time imo

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:13 PM

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indeed

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Wait what they're doing Glass Soul?!

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Nah just regular damageless

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Current patch

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Isn't it the same thing tho

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:14 PM

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glass soul is different because lifeblood interactions

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and mods

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:14 PM

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true palm glass soul is different because lifeblood interactions

oh

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:14 PM

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That doesn’t make a huge difference. Running 1221 makes a way bigger difference than the lifeblood thing

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:14 PM

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yup

naive nova Apr 5, 2021, 11:14 PM

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It’s more or less glass soul

true palm Apr 5, 2021, 11:15 PM

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pretty sure glass soul ends up going for the kp lifeblood though and does more damage

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but current patch is a bigger difference

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:16 PM

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I tried downpatching but it was really hard to pull off and it made my CPU hit like 210+ degrees

stiff delta Apr 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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yea 1221 is poorly optimized

quiet saddle Apr 5, 2021, 11:39 PM

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@frank obsidian What FPS values are you getting?

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I had a similar issue cuz HK was trying to run at 400+ FPS constantly

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Also does anyone have a twitch clip of a successful QGA; I want to add it to a stream reward lol

frank obsidian Apr 5, 2021, 11:40 PM

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For 1.2.2.1 the FPS was ~15-20, but my CPU was well over 200 degrees

quiet saddle Apr 5, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Yea, mine averaged around 90 C (194 F) pre-cooler when I ran HK + OBS, even after capping my FPS

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Being well over that is dangerous

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15-20 FPS kinda doesn't make sense though

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Do you have Nvidia/Radeon gaming software that comes online when you open the game?

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Usually it'll look like a little banner or something in the top right as you start up

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You could have some setting in there that's fucking with things

true palm Apr 6, 2021, 12:30 AM

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1221 also just doesnt work with toasters

quasi pier Apr 6, 2021, 12:49 AM

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Just out of curiosity, is t possible to get dream nail without going to the city of tears?

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 12:51 AM

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Yes? Have you ever seen a speedrun before?

quasi pier Apr 6, 2021, 12:51 AM

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No

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 12:51 AM

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You should do that. Its one of the most notable skips speedruns use.

quasi pier Apr 6, 2021, 12:52 AM

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Ok

true palm Apr 6, 2021, 1:10 AM

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you can also do it with tram pass

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also crystal peaks

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theres quite a few ways

wary fern Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 AM

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@sly radish can u help me with a quest bro

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 AM

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?srpsa

sick ravenBOT Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 AM

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i dont think this is teh right channel darkdg

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:25 AM

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How can I more consistantly get Greenpath fireball skip?

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I got it for the first time earlier

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 1:26 AM

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practice

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:26 AM

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ok

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wrong video

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 1:28 AM

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the turnaround is crucial

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Do u have an xbox controller cuz it becomes rlly easy with one. That or someone in this server posted something that lets u override inputs

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:28 AM

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no im on pc

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 1:28 AM

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keyboard?

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Oh well then I'll link the program that allows for overrides

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https://github.com/valignatev/socd/releases/tag/0.0.6

GitHub

Release Custom keybindings · valignatev/socd

No graphical interface yet, but config editing should suffice for now. You can find key codes here, just make sure to put number without 0x in the file. I swear I'm not that lazy usually 😔

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Pretty sure its legal in runs

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Yeah, I still don't get fireball skip super consistently but I've practiced enough to know why I miss it

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 1:32 AM

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elfin vortex Oh well then I'll link the program that allows for overrides

Basically for example it will let u hold down left, hold right while firing the fireballs and release right to land safely all while not letting go of left

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 1:34 AM

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flint flare Yeah, I still don't get fireball skip super consistently but I've practiced enou...

At least u know why. Depending on ur cat its importance varies but its great that u identified what ur messing up on when you do

maiden bane Apr 6, 2021, 1:34 AM

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Simply run spellless and you'll never have to so a fireball skip again shroompog

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 1:34 AM

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any% cp (nmg), so it'd be real nice if I could do it consistently

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now epogo on the other hand

maiden bane Apr 6, 2021, 1:34 AM

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~~Or 4 Mask Shards 0 geo~~

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Isma's Tunnel Skip Gone Wrong

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Oh god learning that skip took me ages

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Anxiety inducing

wary fern Apr 6, 2021, 1:38 AM

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@everyone

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 1:39 AM

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you missed #hk-meme bud

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:40 AM

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What happened here? Killed a recent run bc I couldn't get the geo grubsad

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 1:40 AM

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you let him duck inside the wall

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they just do that

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for future reference kill him using 3 fireballs and one pogo, don't give it a chance to back off

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 1:41 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-disappears-bush-hiding-gif-3377649

Tenor

Homer disappears into a hedge

▶ Play video

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 1:41 AM

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mood

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:42 AM

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haughty fossil they just do that

Why and how lol

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 1:42 AM

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teamcherry 🍝

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:43 AM

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what does that emote combo mean

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Cherry spaghetti

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 1:43 AM

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spaghetti code

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Crap gtg, gn everyone goodknight

devout wing Apr 6, 2021, 1:45 AM

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don't they use playmaker?

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 1:46 AM

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What is spaghetti code zote

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Cherry spaghetti whatever

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 1:47 AM

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spaghetti code means jank, jumbled together code that sometimes leads to really weird things happening

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so two things you might think are completely unrelated might end up being connected somehow

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Like imagine if the animation for looking back from looking down somehow interacted with tolls or something

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That'd be weird

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 1:49 AM

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🍝 teamcherry

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Huh

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 1:51 AM

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look down at tolls makes them go faster

devout wing Apr 6, 2021, 1:52 AM

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does it still work in cp?

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Yep

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 1:53 AM

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devout wing don't they use playmaker?

correct, which is much of why the code is so poor FeelsInvertedMan

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:17 AM

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I just spent the last hour trying to do a 4ms run that would land me in not last

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i failed

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i got two full runs done, 30 attempts

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 2:18 AM

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1221 or cp?

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:18 AM

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1221

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Can't help you there

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If it was cp I'd just do a 40 minute run or something

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:18 AM

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the only reason i lose so much time is i'm constantly healing

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and no matter what i do i can't seem to avoid taking copious amounts of damage

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i was about ready to punch a hole in the wall after the amount of times i took damage or failed at anything

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if i hard fell at the beginning of KP I restarted

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if I messed up anything in KP besides at the crumbling ground with getting hard fall or not i restarted

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if I didn't get everything first try i restarted

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:29 AM

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thats the 4ms experience

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but if you just want to pb dont focus on being perfect right now

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just focus on being better

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:31 AM

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in my pb i did everything first try

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I got the first mask shard in under 4 minutes and I can't replicate that for the life of me

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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what is your pb

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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10 minutes

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better from my previous pb, but still last place

maiden bane Apr 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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The Mawlek fight is hard. Don't let a slow Mawlek discourage you from practicig the rest of the run

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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dont take this the wrong way but theres probably a lot of little ways you can savetime

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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this is why in the categories that I don't care about I'm going to try and get last place so other people don't feel like I do rn

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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10 minutes is kinda peepo

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:32 AM

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and I know it's called not healing

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:33 AM

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so somewhere along the way its the little things that get a hold of you

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focus more on just completing runs so you get more practice in

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:33 AM

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it's just the mawlek fight that hold me back a lot

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:33 AM

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then you'll just have cleaner movement and an easier time not getting hit

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:34 AM

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trying not to take damage so i don't have to heal

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:34 AM

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then grind mawlek fight

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 2:34 AM

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I just pulled up my pb splits

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I was 1 second under 4 minutes for first mask shard, from there it was 2 minutes to shard 2, near four minutes to shard 3, and under 30 seconds to shard 4 which is reasonable

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I'm taking a shower this has made me stressed

fallen forum Apr 6, 2021, 2:43 AM

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if youre having trouble getting to the first mask shard in under 4 minutes, then the minor time saves you can do in kings pass probably arent going to be useful enough to be resetting for. in my experience, kings pass resets are really tempting but when youre having a lot of issues with movement then its more helpful to just get lots of runs completed as you can, even if theyre not that great, cause thatll probably help you improve a lot more

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and i say this as someones whose movement is pretty shit most of the time lmao

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resetting beacuse of failing little things just isnt worth it sometimes

maiden bane Apr 6, 2021, 2:44 AM

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I think comsob is around 3/1.5/2.5/.33 minutes per shard, so while yes, you can save time by improving your Mawlek fight, your shard 3 is actually the weakest so you might want to take a break from practicing Mawlek to do some more of the run

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And yes, exactly what ough said

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I don't reset for a KP under a minute

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oh wait this is 1.221, not CP, sorry

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So the times are off

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Reset for the 51.xx KP

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Best I’ve done is a 55.xx KP

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I’m averaging around a 57.xx KP

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And I just want everything to be perfect and I get hung up on the tiny details

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If you heard my commentating while I’m doing my runs it’s always pointing out the negatives... closing out inventory too soon, jumping too soon or letting go of a jump too soon

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Basically me running any%

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I miss 112

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On the other hand it's nice to have time for more than one run a day

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:10 AM

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I very much so don’t like when things aren’t perfect

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 3:11 AM

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whats your sob at

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:11 AM

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My what

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 3:11 AM

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sum of bests

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:11 AM

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I’m not at my pc

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I’ll get back to you on that

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I’m just sitting in isolation belting the Steven universe soundtrack to get my mind off of the things I did wrong

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Actually screw any% for now, All Skills is way more fun

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:14 AM

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AS is alright

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:15 AM

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AS feels kinda like 112 lite

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 3:16 AM

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It actually is thats why I always ask people their goals in hk when they ask what category is best to start

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If its 1xx they need to run all skills

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:17 AM

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It has a lot of the movement used in 1xx but at a fraction of the time it takes

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Well now I want to attempt more 4ms but that’s probably a bad idea

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 3:19 AM

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its like a drug

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:19 AM

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But one of the bad ones

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Puts me in a very toxic mentality

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:20 AM

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That's just this game in general

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Ngl

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:20 AM

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Bc I always think about how I could’ve done better not about what I did right

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I forgot my hand still hasn’t healed whoops

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:22 AM

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learning to focus on your wins and not just on your failures takes a lot of time

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:22 AM

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@stiff delta my SoB is my PB

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:22 AM

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but it's ultimately needed so you don't get burned out immediately

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 3:23 AM

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grizzled maple If its 1xx they need to run all skills

reject all skills, run nice% instead vesselsip

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:24 AM

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I'm gunna do one more 4ms run

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:26 AM

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The short categories are very unforgiving when it comes to mistakes, don't beat yourself up too much if you find yourself messing up stuff

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:26 AM

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Gotta give nice% more attention, it deserves a spot on meme boards

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:26 AM

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Meme boards are just a pipeline to get people to run 1xx%

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:26 AM

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Zana, put tcArriveWithSpaghetti on bttv

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:27 AM

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I just turned off my pc, i completely forgot hornetshock

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I'll do it tomorrow

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:27 AM

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Okay, no rush

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 3:27 AM

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meme boards are a pipeline that is a circle, don't bring 112 into it

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memes beget memes

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:27 AM

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105 tho

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 3:28 AM

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quack as steponme route tho

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that is a meme run -> main cat pipeline feelspkman

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 3:28 AM

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but vali stepped on steponme route cryla

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:29 AM

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We all wish that route worked out, it just didn't

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:29 AM

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You have people doing things like ACN, NKG%, and Nice% and sooner or later they'll go "112 doesn't look so bad" 😤

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:29 AM

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NKG% readies them for Hive

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Which is the worst area

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Hiveblood% is just more intensive hive practice

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:30 AM

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If anyone wants console 112 rekky, do what I did but don't fuck up Hive

patent needle Apr 6, 2021, 3:31 AM

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hearty adder You have people doing things like ACN, NKG%, and Nice% and sooner or later they'...

I've run both ACN and nice% and it's only made me more scared of 112 zote

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:33 AM

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112 doesn't do as many cursed acid skips

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:33 AM

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I can't do that nope

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I failed mask 2 three times

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new record on mawlek though

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Question, how is Monstah so much better than everyone else at 4ms?

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Meme board is a backup for 1xx runners who get burnt out on rng

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Id rather dedicated 72 hours to routing memes ill play once than do frogs overcharmed one time zote

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:39 AM

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As long as it's not NMG NMG I'm all for trying meme runs

patent needle Apr 6, 2021, 3:41 AM

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so you're saying you're interested in NMG NMMS?

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 3:41 AM

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hmm

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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what do you have against NMG NMG? It's a much more palatable shade skip than the ASS one imo

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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which shade skip in nmg nmg?

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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claw/dash only to sheo

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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ah right no cdash

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nmg nmms has a much easier time with that room

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plug plug

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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what? float is easier than shade fireball pogos?

patent needle Apr 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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no float, we don't even have VS there

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we just warp to the other side of the room

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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thanks I hate it

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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starting over for the third time idk why i keep doing this

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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its actually really easy

patent needle Apr 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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^

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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it sounds complicated but you just jump into thorns and hold right

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well, jump into thorns twice

patent needle Apr 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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the only hard part is not accidentally room duping

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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its fairly easy to mitigate that risk tho imo

patent needle Apr 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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well yeah, I'm pretty much 100% consistent with it now

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but I mean when learning it

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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ah yea

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 3:57 AM

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fuck i died to the husk guarding the last grub

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I've done 30 attempts today with only 2 finished runs

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 AM

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optimal

dapper cove Apr 6, 2021, 4:24 AM

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If you’d consider it that

stable moon Apr 6, 2021, 6:14 AM

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When I save and quit on 1.2.2.1, the file I enter is the second one because my mouse hovers over it. When I see other people play the first one is selected by default. What causes that?

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 6:15 AM

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Controller

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 6:15 AM

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iirc its controller vs kb

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damn

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 6:15 AM

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Basically, controller defaults 1, keyboard defaults 2

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 6:15 AM

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its been a new day for 15 minutes and ive already been snailed

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 6:15 AM

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3 and 4 don't exist

stable moon Apr 6, 2021, 6:16 AM

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cool, thanks

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 6:16 AM

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3 and 4 are practice or rando

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Thats why most saves on src are 3

stable moon Apr 6, 2021, 6:17 AM

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3 and 4 are the slots that had significance at some point but I've since forgotten about them 👀

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Shoutouts to me having my casual file in 2

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I always use a non-default file casually in case

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 6:20 AM

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shoutouts to me using slot 1 on switch and literally always just taking timeloss until i went megamind and realized the switch has multiple profiles

stray kestrel Apr 6, 2021, 6:22 AM

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steady lynx Shoutouts to me having my casual file in 2

file 2 best casual file

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in any game

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 6:22 AM

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stiff delta shoutouts to me using slot 1 on switch and literally always just taking timeloss...

Then went even more megamind and switched to PC

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 6:24 AM

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The only correct play

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i have hollow knight on pc twice lmao

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One on gog one on xbox game pass

steady lynx Apr 6, 2021, 6:27 AM

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I only have it on gog

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Switch, PS4, Switch collector's edition

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This is a bit off topic

limpid ruin Apr 6, 2021, 6:54 AM

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stable moon When I save and quit on 1.2.2.1, the file I enter is the second one because my m...

if you press the left directional input it will stop centering the cursor and default to slot1, otherwise you can basically just s/q then mash enter and itll select slot2

mossy salmon Apr 6, 2021, 7:08 AM

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Is it possible to do inventory drops on the ps4 and/or switch versions of the game

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Check pins

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Console runs are on current patch btw

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Bruh lmaooo

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comical moment

tender plaza Apr 6, 2021, 7:19 AM

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Bruh

mossy salmon Apr 6, 2021, 7:31 AM

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Dude im dumb as hell

finite perch Apr 6, 2021, 7:35 AM

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Has anyone here wanted someone not to get the game because TC patched speedrunning related stuff in other builds?

finite perch Apr 6, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Thank you I'm trying to convince someone that they shouldn't refuse to buy the game over that. Among other stuff

sonic crane Apr 6, 2021, 7:58 AM

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generally the improvements and additions in the patches make up for any tech thats patched out except in very narrow bands of speedrunning

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 8:47 AM

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hello hello i made this thing can i have blue ?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y2vo88wz

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

tough breach Apr 6, 2021, 8:53 AM

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👍

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 8:53 AM

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thanks dynouhFlower

fathom jackal Apr 6, 2021, 9:18 AM

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Game good. That's the best argument.

mighty trellis Apr 6, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Speed

sick ravenBOT Apr 6, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:01 PM

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im horrible with fireball skips, is there a way to make it easier?

honest folio Apr 6, 2021, 2:05 PM

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use quick cast if you aren't yet, and practise your VS timing

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with debugmod

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try to stay in the exact same place in the air while continuously doing shooting fireballs

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:05 PM

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honest folio use quick cast if you aren't yet, and practise your VS timing

vs?

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Also, if you're using keyboard, get socd cleaner

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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honest folio with debugmod

i am playing in pc gamepass, i cant mod

honest folio Apr 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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vengeful spirit

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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hearty adder Also, if you're using keyboard, get socd cleaner

ps4 controller

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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If you're using controller, either practice tapping opposite direction very quickly or do a claw grip on the dpad

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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idk whats claw grip, sry new to speedrun

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Just grabbing your controller in a weird way

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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yea i do that

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Some people find it easier to do if they use both analog & dpad inputs

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Some go for analog only

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And some use dpad only for fb skips

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If you send a video of yourself we can tell what you're failing at exactly

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:08 PM

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hearty adder Some people find it easier to do if they use both analog & dpad inputs

im trying to do that

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:08 PM

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hearty adder If you send a video of yourself we can tell what you're failing at exactly

ok after class's over ill send it

signal current Apr 6, 2021, 2:25 PM

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hiya, i got my first path of pain speedrun verified! could i get the speedrunner role pls?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ylog0v3y

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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signal current hiya, i got my first path of pain speedrun verified! could i get the speedrunner...

<@&284848710960021504>

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Thats a really good run

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Good job lmao

signal current Apr 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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thanks, took ages though lol

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sad lil gaming cat is an absolute mood sad_cat_thumbs_up

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 3:15 PM

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i have zero clue how to beat watcher knights with speedrunning

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how much dmg does one take?

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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lemme check

last inlet Apr 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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220 iirc

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could be slightly off

signal quarry Apr 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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i

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cant

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shade

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skip

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;-;

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 3:18 PM

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i mean like how many hits sorry

last inlet Apr 6, 2021, 3:18 PM

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with what?

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220hp is 44 nail hits but you also use spells

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 3:18 PM

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With nail 0 it's 220 hp

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oh im 🐌

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:19 PM

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signal quarry skip

what do you have trouble with specifically?

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 3:19 PM

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vs with shaman stone is 20 iirc

signal quarry Apr 6, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Idk I can never seem to get the shade in the right place when I try to do the skip to the blue lake

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 3:20 PM

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if you're able to record yourself, we can give you pointers as to what exactly is going wrong

digital jewel Apr 6, 2021, 3:23 PM

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if the shade is spawning in gruz mother's arena you need to die closer to salubra's hut

signal quarry Apr 6, 2021, 3:24 PM

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digital jewel if the shade is spawning in gruz mother's arena you need to die closer to salubr...

no thats not the problem

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lmao i guess i just have to git gud

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i just always miss that ah

digital jewel Apr 6, 2021, 3:25 PM

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can you describe the problem

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 3:27 PM

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hearty adder if you're able to record yourself, we can give you pointers as to what exactly i...

this

short spire Apr 6, 2021, 3:37 PM

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they were already pinged

signal current Apr 6, 2021, 3:52 PM

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thanks for the role! hollowD

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:09 PM

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ive been on watcher knights for an hour

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idk what im doing

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is there a way to beat him for bad people?

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:09 PM

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What category are you doing? any%

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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any% nmg current patch

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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You can do nail1 route to have a little bit of extra damage

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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Imo just keep practising twk in the hall of gods on radiant (ofc if u do the latter dont double jump etc) and try apply it to a run

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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you could technically also do shade soul route, but it involves a lot of rerouting

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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ive never been to hall of gods

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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have you watched fire's guide?

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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yep

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Definitely don't practice in hall of gods

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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fireb0rn's any% guide's section for watcher knights is useful for cp, there's only a couple of differences

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Use debug and practoce the real ones

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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thats what ive been doing

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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But yeah they're really hard, its just gonna take time

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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past hour with zero wins

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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WKs on current patch can't start a roll from offscreen, and the fireball doesn't reach as far as it used to

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but other than that it's useful

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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dry sluice Use debug and practoce the real ones

Oh yh thats what I should have said lol. Thought he was on console for some reason

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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any% watchers are the biggest roadblock to getting into the category, you'll get it in due time

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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i did a earlier speed run where i got desolete dive and that was still tough for me

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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was similar for me. once you get your first win they come a bit easier

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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For any% watcher knights it actually doesnt matter what nail upgrade you have all that much since most people struggle with avoiding attacks consistently

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and doing more damage doesnt help all that much

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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i could avoid attacks consitently if i dont need to do dmg

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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I dont run any% so I could be wrong but arent u able to make a detour to get monarch wings and fight twk after u have mw?

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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just keep working on it and remember that dying is still progress

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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i cant kill the first dude before the 2nd one spawns

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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static crow i cant kill the first dude before the 2nd one spawns

you have shamans right>'

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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yea

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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most helpful part of the guide was that nail->jump nail/pogo->dash over is a pretty good opening for all their attacks

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Soz if im absurdly wrong lol

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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so make sure to stay close to the knight

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they only use sword when ur close

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and sword is the time that they are most open

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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I mean you're always able to do whatever you want, but monarch wings is a massove detour for a not very useful item. If you want something to make the fight easier get shade soul or something

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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he canst see that

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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or just run all skills if you want lots of upgrades

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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doesnt have speedrunner role

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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You can still see them

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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you can see other chats just not type in them

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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no you cant

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Yes you can

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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yes you can lmao

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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huh

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did it change?

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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No

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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its been this way

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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wack

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but speedrun vc doesnt show up for people without role?

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Correct

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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So this isnt normally how it goes but what does happen normally is at the start i jump the first attack but always get hit

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like in the guide he says fireball then 2 nail hits

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i do one fireball and one nait and still get hit

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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static crow So this isnt normally how it goes but what does happen normally is at the start ...

Wait i know whats wrong here

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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You can fireball earlier

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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flint flare You can fireball earlier

no he cant

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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while the mist is dissipating

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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you know why

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hes not using qc

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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qc?

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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quick cast

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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what do u mean

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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ahhhhh

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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i press b

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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the quick cast button

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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i found the problem

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how do you heal?

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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i hold b

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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it casts spells at the first possible frame

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rather than at frame 20 with focus

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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static crow i press b

B isnt quickcast

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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oh true, didn't even notice that

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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its pretty obvious

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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should be right shoulder button

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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not to me apparently

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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you can also rebind quick cast

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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you should be using quick cast all the time for spells

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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B is focus/cast.
Y (for me) is quickcast

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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use focus only for healing

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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i personally rebound quick cast to focus/cast and focus/cast to quick cast

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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i dont see a difference....

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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i have quickcast on r

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its faster

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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static crow i dont see a difference....

there is a big one

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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you need it for fireball skips

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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hearty adder it casts spells at the first possible frame

referring back to this

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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oh is that why i cant fireball skip...

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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it also lets you get out fireballs earlier

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:24 PM

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You cant rlly do fireball skips with the focus/cast button

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:24 PM

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here can you hop in general?

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i can show you how to rebind so that you dont have to relearn to use spells

stuck compass Apr 6, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Is there a tutorial for Joni's Blessing dark room somewhere? I looked around some and I couldn't fine one.

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:31 PM

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why do you need to do that?

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Cuz some cats have you do jonis in the dark

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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so go to whichever run your doing and look at the guide for it

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thats the best place for rare strats

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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I think emray may have a jonis tutorial on their youtube

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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might be in lifeblood core%?

stuck compass Apr 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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yeah

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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you can also just learn it yourself with debug mod

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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1xx% runs use it so that's a good place to look

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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turn lantern on and off each time you do the room

stuck compass Apr 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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ok thanks

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thats also smart

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thanks

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 4:35 PM

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its a tip ConstructiveCinicysm gave me

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its really nice for dark deepnest

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but it'd probs work there as well

stuck compass Apr 6, 2021, 4:36 PM

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yeah

limpid ruin Apr 6, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Darkroom reminds me I should make a mod to disable conifer humming because omfg that guy is maddening

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Outside of dark jonis

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Oh god yes

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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you are so wrong

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cornman i love the corn man

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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also worth noting depending on the category/patch for dark joni's it's four different sets of strats: with/without cdash, 1221 or current patch (cp has an extra enemy)

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:03 PM

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First playthrough he was amusing but now on my feckin idk the number run he drives me insane

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 5:08 PM

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wait what I have never heard of someone hating cornifer humming it's so wholesome xephHands

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:09 PM

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all my homies hate cornifer

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:09 PM

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What?!? Cornifers humming is what makes him best bug. grubsad

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It’s so calming

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Guys

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I need some advice

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:10 PM

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On?

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:10 PM

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https://twitter.com/Krythom_/status/1148038441504051201?s=19

Krythom (@Krythom_)

Riddle me this Cornifer. If we're so god damn exquisitely lucky then why the fuck am I still losing runs to missing the MWC superslides, cause honestly I'm starting to feel like a normal amount of lucky IF even that

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Relevant

stiff delta Apr 6, 2021, 5:11 PM

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its not cornmans fault

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just get better 🙂

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:11 PM

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He mocks me

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Used to have to talk to him every run and he'd mention how exquisitely lucky we are, and then I'd lose run to rng

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So I yeeted him from the route

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:11 PM

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You’re just projecting your self mockery onto him

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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I am speedrunning a game that has a fairly long completion time, but while I was recording there was no disk space left and tge recording paused twice do I need to reset now or can I just put them together in a video editor

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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you can't

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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you must reset

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Nah cornifers a bitch

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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I was streaming for more than 2 hours

wind spear Apr 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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^yeah what they said. Splicing isn't allowed

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Also yeah, thats a reset

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:13 PM

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We might disagree on cornifer but resets bring everyone together

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:14 PM

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This is what the game rules say

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Screenshot_2021-04-06-20-13-55-888_com.android.chrome.jpg

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Why are you talking about another game here

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 5:14 PM

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If you're running another game then you shouldn't ask here elderC

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 PM

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This is a hollow knight speedrunning discord. You should go to the other games discord to ask questions about it

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Because I thought it was a common speedrun thing

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It has only 2 runners

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 PM

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We can only speak as to Hollow Knight speedrunning

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 PM

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It doesn't have a speedrun discord

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Rules change based on the game, and even if it was consistent, this is still not the place

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:15 PM

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ask one of the mods for that game

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but typically no that run would not be allowed

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 5:16 PM

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The chat description is very clear about this being Hollow Knight-exclusive

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:16 PM

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I know guys

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Just forget it

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Ok then if you know you should stop asking about it

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:16 PM

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I am going to reset

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:16 PM

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cool

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:17 PM

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The problem is that I am the first one speedrunning the category

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:17 PM

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By continuing to talk about it you are showing you don't know

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There are mods for the game

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Ask them

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Ok chill dude

dry sluice Apr 6, 2021, 5:18 PM

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We can't help you, and this isn't the place for this

cold kite Apr 6, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Ok thanks anyway

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:24 PM

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why are the watcher knights not meleeing me when im close to them?

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:25 PM

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It’s a 50% chance only I think

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So you still need to adapt to rolls/bounces

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Try and fireball is they roll away for doubles/triples

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:26 PM

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so the guide shows him meleeing and how to do it quickly but if he rolls first what do?

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like the very first guy

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:27 PM

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If you have no soul just chase the roll I think

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Then go back to normal rotation

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:29 PM

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so is it just luck?

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i find most of the times i cant kill him before 2nd spawns then he is in the corner protected

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Question for 112. I've been following monstahlers guide up until recently where I watched fires livestream and monstahlers wr on speedrun.com which have some differences in whats done. I rlly dont have time to watch the vids in complete to note down the changes myself so does anyone know all the differences between monstahlers guide and the current route used?

sour rune Apr 6, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Sorry, I only really run all skills

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:30 PM

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If anyone knows all the differences please ping me them

untold sigil Apr 6, 2021, 5:31 PM

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I'm trying to do wingless hornet 2

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what do you do past the first pogo

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:32 PM

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I'm not super familiar with the skip but i believe once you're on the first platform theres a section on the far wall that you can wall cling on then jump off of

untold sigil Apr 6, 2021, 5:33 PM

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ah

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ok

digital jewel Apr 6, 2021, 5:34 PM

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https://youtu.be/LlqRKxnOjP8?t=1146

YouTube

Trinomi

Hollow Knight Speedrun - All Skills No Major Glitches - 55:26.59 Lo...

RTA 1:03:47 - Played on patch 1.2.2.1

Splits in the run prior to this one were out of order, hence the weird amount of saved time around the mid and late game.

Very happy with how this run turned out.
•Amazing Hornet 2 rng
•Great Sanctum + Soul Master fight
•Got a scare at the tunnel towards Isma's, but it worked out fine.

https://www.speedru...

▶ Play video

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there are two spots on the wall you can grab and walljump from

sterile gale Apr 6, 2021, 5:35 PM

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I don't understand the last isma's skip

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do you have to like, do a dash cancel or smth ?

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or can you just wall jump

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:36 PM

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theres a specific spot you can wall jump, otherwise you must dash cancel

dull lion Apr 6, 2021, 5:36 PM

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I don’t think it’s luck no. You should be able to kill the first before the second pretty much every time with enough practice. Some patterns can definitely make it hard though

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 5:36 PM

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elfin vortex Question for 112. I've been following monstahlers guide up until recently where ...

1xx% routes change a lot (mostly 112 iirc), your best bet would probably be reading over #1xx-percent

sterile gale Apr 6, 2021, 5:37 PM

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low bramble theres a specific spot you can wall jump, otherwise you must dash cancel

ok ty

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:37 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGu9n2t5ikA&list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N&index=10&ab_channel=PiscesFL this likely has it

YouTube

PiscesFL

All Skills NMG Tutorial Part 10 Isma's Tear

Ask questions in the Hollow Knight discord: https://discord.gg/tqbGU89
I do runs on twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/pisces_fl

▶ Play video

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:39 PM

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hearty adder 1xx% routes change a lot (mostly 112 iirc), your best bet would probably be read...

Cant post in 1xx and dont see anything that would help in the pinned posts

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 5:46 PM

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there are route notes for 112 in #resources

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you can check those for the most up-to-date route

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monstah's WR on src is pretty out of date, but xeph's PB has I think all the new route stuff

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:47 PM

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how the heck do i get shade soul in the any% runs

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:49 PM

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hallow orchid monstah's WR on src is pretty out of date, but xeph's PB has I think all the new...

Ok thx

fair island Apr 6, 2021, 5:52 PM

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static crow how the heck do i get shade soul in the any% runs

for cp you have to get the shopkeepers key from crystal peaks, but the elegant key from sly, go to sanctum, beat up soul warrior 2 and get shade soul

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:52 PM

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hallow orchid there are route notes for 112 in <#298798821402607618>

Could u link the route notes? I cant find them

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 5:52 PM

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elfin vortex Could u link the route notes? I cant find them

#resources message

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Thx

untold sigil Apr 6, 2021, 5:55 PM

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i did it

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yay

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 5:56 PM

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math are those up to date?

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if not i can give my notes

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:56 PM

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dude shade soul seems like it will take so long to get

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 5:57 PM

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what category are you running?

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 5:57 PM

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they should be up to date yeah Blue

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:58 PM

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shade soul for any% is very not worth unless ur just going for the cheevo

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 5:58 PM

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for any% you should only really go for shade soul if you're on 1221. Then you can get dash slash like in All Skills

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:58 PM

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i just cant beat watcher knights

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been trying for past like 3 hours

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 5:58 PM

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they're a very tough fight at first

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the biggest roadblock for newer runners

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in any% nmg

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 5:59 PM

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fires and pests guides are very good, and if you’re struggling you can pick up nail1

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:59 PM

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dude sly doesnt even sell elegant key wtf

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 5:59 PM

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"You can't hear images"

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:59 PM

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i already picked up nail1

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still cant beat them

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 5:59 PM

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what i recommend you to do is to watch the guides on the fight by Pest and Fire, and also downloadd the debug mod to practice better

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 5:59 PM

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i have

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thats what ive been doing

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last 3 hours

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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most runners have to practice for 10+ hours to get the fight consistent

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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i dont even have 1 win

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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then, practice practice practice. it's gonna take a bit until you get the hang of it, but once you get it it'll feel really satisfying, i promise!

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/283467985224466442/829052736103645257 this is what i suggest if you're struggling even with quick cast

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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you can do it!

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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huh

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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youre using qc right?

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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yep

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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aight then yeah

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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quick cast and nail1

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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see above message

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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its just a picture?

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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i... don't understand

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how does that help

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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get good feelspkman

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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did you send the wrong picture?

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OH

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OHHH

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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thats what its trying to say lol

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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hornet screams git gud

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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gosh i'm so dumb

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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thats my tip

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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blue u run te u should know this

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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but yeah, it's gonna take time and practice

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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took me a sec lol

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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why does sly not sell elegant key

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:01 PM

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but you'll get it!

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you need shopkeeper's key in peaks

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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jesus

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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for him to sell it

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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so how do i do all that before watcher

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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thats why it takes so long

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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you dont

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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you dont feelspkman

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Honestly i've put in about 5ish hours into wk and i still lose about 40% of the time

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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there is a shade soul beginner route

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i remember jen and collie running it for a bit

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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there is

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til

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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dont run it

alpine sapphire Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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what is there was an all arcane eggs speedrun?

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:02 PM

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its not worth

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:03 PM

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well, the point of it isn't to be optimal

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the point of it is to be easy to pick up

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and regardless, getting shade soul and using it makes you learn the same damage rotations for THK and Watchers

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so it should be a smaller change to strats whenever you are comfortable enough to route it out

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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alpine sapphire what is there was an all arcane eggs speedrun?

wouldnt really be very interesting

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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running the optimal route is not required.

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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basically just te without dreamers

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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not at all

alpine sapphire Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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true

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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lifeblood

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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there's an egg in lifeblood core

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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hence the basically

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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well what ways can i make this boss easier thats relevnatly quick

alpine sapphire Apr 6, 2021, 6:04 PM

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you have to get a top of notches and kingsoul, that could be interesting

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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so basically lifeblood% + TE

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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static crow well what ways can i make this boss easier thats relevnatly quick

loads of practice

alpine sapphire Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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*ton

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kinda?

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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"quick"

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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try to follow the guides to a T and do exactly what they do

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try to go moderately fast

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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im following the guides

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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lemme see if i can find the notes for the shade soul route

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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the faster the boss dies the less chance you have to die

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:05 PM

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do you think that would help?

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:06 PM

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dont run shade soule

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:06 PM

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expect 5 hours until you can do your first fight, and 10-20 until you can do it consistant

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people can run whatever route they want

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:06 PM

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if wk is too hard, just dont do the speedrun strats

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:06 PM

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the speedrun strats make it easier 🤔

uneven pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:06 PM

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low bramble the speedrun strats make it easier 🤔

if you can execute them correctly

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if you cant...

jagged vault Apr 6, 2021, 6:08 PM

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discouraging runners from running the way they want doesn't help, elemental

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Hey how long have you guys spent on cp epogo till you got consistent? (trying to get a feel for how long i'll be here lol)

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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comfeepogo or panta?

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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I've been doing comfeepogo

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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or vsync

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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2 fireball method

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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i got it relatively quickly

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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omfg

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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i get it pretty much 9/10 after 5ish hours

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4/5 after 1 or 2

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:10 PM

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is that the skip the mantis claw?

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 6:10 PM

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comfy ~ 1-2 hours of practice and i could get it consistently
i do it with 3 fireballs though
didn't try any of the rest

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:10 PM

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That's good, i got it a few times but it's still hard

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yes

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:10 PM

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if u really pay attention to what ur doing wrong its not too bad

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if u need help u can ping me

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 6:10 PM

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how do u tell what ur doing wrong?

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Thank you!

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:11 PM

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u can send me a vid, xero's/math's guides are pretty good

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tho

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:11 PM

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My brain keeps wanting to go into auto pilot for it lol

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 6:13 PM

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static crow how do u tell what ur doing wrong?

generally the game kind of tells you
if you miss the spore you either didn't time your fireballs properly or didn't hold right long enough after the second fireball
if you don't reach the area you were too low
if the spore pathing is fucked you left the platform too early, etc etc

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 6:15 PM

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low bramble comfeepogo or panta?

I've offput learning epogo cuz it looks daunting but I may as well so which method is the best/fastest?

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:15 PM

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pantapogo is the fastest but by far hardest

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comfeepogo is barely slower due to soul collection but a lot easier

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its a new trick but its what you'll see pretty much everyone learning now

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Then in that case since im doing 112 I'll learn comfeepogo

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Super minor things like barely slower strats dont matter too much

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Yeah pantapogo hurt my soul so i'm not too upset about going to comfeepogo lol

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:22 PM

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yea but smaller (easier) strats for rooms can save a ton of time so make sure to pay attention to those when learning

eternal citrus Apr 6, 2021, 6:31 PM

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i found a strat that might be helpful for 100 or 112 percent runs idk i only watch runs

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 6:32 PM

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What is it?

eternal citrus Apr 6, 2021, 6:32 PM

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you know the room with three spike worms and a vengefly on the way to false knight?

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with a mask shard that requires monarch wings

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

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gohm room ye

short spire Apr 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

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if you're suggesting getting that shard early it's much faster to get it during flower quest

eternal citrus Apr 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

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oh

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ok

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idk that

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

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the skip is known, it's used in 4ms

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

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we already do that skip in runs such as 4ms, congrats on finding it on ur own tho

eternal citrus Apr 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

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oh

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

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Yeah, you have to turn around and wait for the fly, and also do it without dash

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You should Rando Rando, though 👀

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If that's your sort of thing

eternal citrus Apr 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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rando rando?

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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rando is shroompog

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Randomizer mod

eternal citrus Apr 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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ah

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 6:34 PM

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It's so much fun

leaden python Apr 6, 2021, 6:39 PM

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btw the biggest advantage of running any% with shade soul is that you can learn 1cycle uumuu and then switch to all skills feelspkman

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 7:02 PM

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i started out running any% w/ shade soul. it's viable!

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i didn't know there was a route. i wonder if mine was similar quirrelmonocle

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 7:04 PM

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never heard of it
do you get dash slash like in all skills ?

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 7:04 PM

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that probably works for 1221

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current patch is probably a ton of geo grinding

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 7:05 PM

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current patch i don't see shade soul saving time

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or rather not losing a fuckton of time

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 7:05 PM

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yeah buts all about making the bosses easier, not saving time

low bramble Apr 6, 2021, 7:06 PM

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it loses time regardless

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 7:06 PM

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you'd have to go to city to access cpeaks, then return to city to get shade soul

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 7:07 PM

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i routed cp shade soul route, it's dumb tbh

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nail1 is a pretty good alternative, makes wk a lot easier and you can have spore shroom for thk

grand elm Apr 6, 2021, 7:08 PM

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i used to run a ddark route for steel soul any%

hot latch Apr 6, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Thanks for the time estimates for epogo again guys! I'm 7-8/10 consistency now!

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 7:10 PM

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haughty fossil i routed cp shade soul route, it's dumb tbh

did this involve getting 1800 geo early and getting cdash before dnail?

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 7:10 PM

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yes

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without the cdash before dream nail bit

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you have to go further out if you're not already going for ddark

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could be an idea though grubthink

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 7:12 PM

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i want to route a DDark TE for the meme

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if it doesn't already exist..?

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 7:18 PM

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is there anyway to skip to the bosses useing debug mode?

true palm Apr 6, 2021, 7:19 PM

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you can use practice saves, predone savestates, or predone dreamgates, or you can install the new 1221 benchwarp mod

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 7:21 PM

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ah so i have to get there and then save

sonic crane Apr 6, 2021, 7:26 PM

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There’s practice saves in the resource tab on the leaderboard

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 7:28 PM

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i mean its only like 20 mins gettign there lmao so probably same amount of itme trying to figure out practice saves

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btw i keep seeing in speedrun videos the controller inputs is that required?

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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nope

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i like controller inputs so when i watch my runs later i can see what inputs i messed up

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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ah how do u set that up?

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 7:32 PM

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watch fire's setup vid

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 7:32 PM

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is grass% an actual cat or no

vocal dove Apr 6, 2021, 7:33 PM

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not on srcom

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not sure if anyone's done it besides skurry

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 7:34 PM

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only run so far is skurry's

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a couple of people have expressed interest but no runs yet

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 7:40 PM

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eagerly awaiting the 0% grass run

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 7:41 PM

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what is grass?

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 7:42 PM

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cut down every background grass object, done modded with a counter visible on screen

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so far the only run completed is skurry's

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 7:43 PM

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b...but why. How longs skurry's run of it lol?

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 7:43 PM

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flint flare eagerly awaiting the 0% grass run

if by "0% grass" you mean beat the game without breaking background, that's also been attempted by mathulu but never completed single segment because it's awful

static crow Apr 6, 2021, 7:43 PM

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does grass not respawn?

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 7:43 PM

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grass does respawn on room transition, that's why the mod counter is necessary

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 7:43 PM

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christ that sounds miserable

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 7:44 PM

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stark birch if by "0% grass" you mean beat the game *without* breaking background, that's al...

pretty much exactly that

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 7:44 PM

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my pet name for not breaking things is Menderbug's Day Off 🙂

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if you check the pins in #misc-runs-nmg there's a spreadsheet with a ton of niche non-SRC categories including routes and video links wherever I could find them

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Menderbug's day off is freaking terrible and everyone should run it

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Literally harder than hitless imo

stark birch Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 PM

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remove the bubbles and maybe

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Yeah without bubbles I think it's almost reasonable

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almost

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 8:00 PM

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bout to make a mod that immediately respawns you at the last bench as soon as you hit a bg object sidepeepoHappy

flint flare Apr 6, 2021, 8:00 PM

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who hurt you

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 8:00 PM

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mathulu

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i watched almost all of menderbug's day off

somber cedar Apr 6, 2021, 8:02 PM

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call it "menderbug's revenge"

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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craggy pebble ok after class's over ill send it

@hearty adder here is the video

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 8:11 PM

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why does windows films and tv want me tobuy hevc

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more importantly why are you using hevc maggotPrime

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also why use cheat engine to practice, we have debugmod for that

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the turnaround is far too long, you tap right + immediately quick cast

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also the jump seems way too early on like 50% of attempts

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recommend taking off wings so you can get a feel for how late you can jump

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also losing a lot of height between each fireball - using debugmod, turn on infinite soul and figure out the timing to quick cast repeatedly without losing height

formal bough Apr 6, 2021, 8:15 PM

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why is that mp4 not embedding

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or is that my discord spaghettign

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 8:15 PM

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its using hevc rather than h264

formal bough Apr 6, 2021, 8:15 PM

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ah I have no clue what that means but I'm sure its something something encoding formats or something like that

flat condor Apr 6, 2021, 8:15 PM

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is there a guide about steam downpatching somewhere

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 8:15 PM

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yes, in the pins

flat condor Apr 6, 2021, 8:16 PM

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oh, thx

regal viper Apr 6, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Does someone have sheets or tutorials on CP Uumuu?

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 8:20 PM

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check #strats

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new channel 🥴

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 8:26 PM

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haughty fossil more importantly why are you using hevc <:maggotPrime:738486345348939878>

idk nvidia records like that

craggy pebble Apr 6, 2021, 8:26 PM

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haughty fossil also why use cheat engine to practice, we have debugmod for that

gamepass for pc = no mods

haughty fossil Apr 6, 2021, 8:27 PM

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amazing

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you can definitely get shadowplay to record using h264

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 8:28 PM

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haughty fossil bout to make a mod that immediately respawns you at the last bench as soon as yo...

no please

wise coyote Apr 6, 2021, 8:33 PM

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will down patching corrupt my files?

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Only if you attempt to open a later patch save

wise coyote Apr 6, 2021, 8:34 PM

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ok

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:34 PM

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You can back them up quite easily by just copying them into another folder.

wise coyote Apr 6, 2021, 8:34 PM

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k thanks

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ive been looking into speedrunning this recently

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seems fun

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 8:35 PM

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It is! 😁

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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?saves

sick ravenBOT Apr 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
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Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
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Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

hearty adder Apr 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Here's where your saves are

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You can just copy your saves on another folder to preserve them

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:37 PM

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wait what's spire pogo?

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im looking at the pastebin for cp all skills

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:38 PM

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the one to get into spire without wings

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:38 PM

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ohhh

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that one

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sorry im dumb

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it looks like all skills is very similar to any% cp at the start

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Btw my question is what qualifies as "all skills"?

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Spells, their upgrades, nail arts, movement abilities

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:40 PM

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all movement nail arts and spells i think

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oops i was too slow

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:40 PM

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dnail upgrades do not count only because it would just be a boring version of TE even though they count as skills

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:40 PM

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So nail upgrades for example don't count?

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:40 PM

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no nail upgrades dont

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Alright thanks

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I think after I git gud at any% I might try all skills

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Seems cool

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:41 PM

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its one of my favorite categories. a lot of good bosses

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:41 PM

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in the notes it says to get the spire lever and then go to soul sanctum. im assuming there's nothing in between though right?

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:42 PM

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no because you wont have dnail yet. you get watchers after you have the two void spells

dreamy bough Apr 6, 2021, 9:42 PM

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apart from rooms no

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:42 PM

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ah ok

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:42 PM

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any category that needs ddark gets dnail right after because the drop to it is faster

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:43 PM

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sorry if this is more of a thing for the all skills tab. im just not very comfortable with other tabs yet

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:43 PM

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its alright this one is a general chat, as long as theres nothing else going on its fine

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:43 PM

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ok!

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:43 PM

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If I'm practising and I have everything to dnail down pretty well excluding mantis pogo how far in am I? I mean how much more time will I spend compared to what I already have

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any% btw

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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about 10-14 minutes

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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I'd say about a third of the way

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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depending on your general skill

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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I mean real time practise time

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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i find the end game a lot easier than the start but thats just me probably

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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that's not a question that can be answered...

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no one has the same real time

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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You're a third of the way through the route but the later bosses and areas will need a lot of practice compared to the beginning I would say

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Alright

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Dream Nail is at about 10m on the best times, and those times are 32-34m

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:45 PM

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are you doing cp or downpatched?

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:45 PM

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downpatched

dusk portal Apr 6, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Sorry if that's not in the right channel and a little bit out of the subject, but since it's about Speedrunning I'm posting it here:
In Speedrun dot com, in the options when submitting a run, there's a "Split i/o" box, what do I have to put in there? I know it's where splits are shared, but I just don't know how to put them

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:46 PM

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splits.io is a site that tracks your split history

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you dont have to put anything if you dont have an account

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:46 PM

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it's optional i think?

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Because to get into speedrunning I need everything explained, and fireborn's guide does a pretty good job of that for any% downpatched

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That's why I chose any% as my first category to learn

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:47 PM

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I use the stuff from that in every single game of Hollow Knight I play. It's very, very good.

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:47 PM

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if you have an account, i believe you upload the splits file? maybe? and youd put that link there on src

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i've never used it because its not free

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or at least the free features are pretty much what livesplit already does

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:48 PM

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snow dome I use the stuff from that in every single game of Hollow Knight I play. It's ver...

I know right? Every trick that seemed impossible before explained so well I got most of them down after 5-10 mins, truly an amazing guide

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The one thing I wish was explained more was if a trick is not working, then based on the result what went wrong

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For example if one of the mantises for pogo is in the wrong spot, why

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Emray has an in depth analysis of mantis Pogo

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Specifically

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Emray has already helped me with it

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:50 PM

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oh were you the one who dm'd me that one time?

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i remember

last inlet Apr 6, 2021, 9:50 PM

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yeah a lot of tricks have specific videos on them that go more in-depth than a full-run guide will

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Yep I think so

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:50 PM

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I think that using fire's guide as your main set, and then trying to find specific in depth videos for stuff your struggling with is the best way to go about it.

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The playlist would be about 48h long otherwise

last inlet Apr 6, 2021, 9:51 PM

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yeah that's how i started

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Still need to practise the pogo more, but I am better at it now

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Still I sometimes jump too early and jump into the first mantis lol

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:52 PM

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I consistently go around 🙃

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After like 3 attempts

last inlet Apr 6, 2021, 9:52 PM

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one strat i like to use a lot is using a fireball after the second pogo, makes the trick very lenient for a very small timeloss

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Don't have the soul usually

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:52 PM

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I always see that and promise myself I'm going to do it, then I never do

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If you go into the room with 33 soul you should be okay

last inlet Apr 6, 2021, 9:53 PM

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is this 1221 any%?

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:53 PM

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1 on the mantis, 2 on the mantis youth

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:53 PM

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For me yes

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Ah right

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So after 2 pogos on flying mantises you have enough for a fireball

snow dome Apr 6, 2021, 9:53 PM

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It's one of the harder tricks, for sure, though

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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you should have enough for a fireball if you did it right. because 1 upslash 2 first pogo 3 second pogo

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should just pogo twice though

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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are you going for epogo or the long way around?

last inlet Apr 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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yeah i only use the fireball bc i'm bad at mantis pogo specifically so i can actually make it like that

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:55 PM

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I need to get back to practising, I've been grinding genshin too much recently

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:55 PM

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i should also try my first all skills run

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:55 PM

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knotty vigil are you going for epogo or the long way around?

Epogo, I got it down really quick

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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is epogo easier in 1221 than comfypogo in cp?

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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I have no idea

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Yes

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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took me a while to get it down

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Quite a bit easier on 1221

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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really? that's probably why i had trouble with it then

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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What changed in cp that it's harder?

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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You can't pogo the explosion on cp

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So it's completely different

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Then how does it work?

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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you use fireballs

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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You lure the spore into the right position to pogo on it instead

subtle glade Apr 6, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Oh makes sense

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Theres several types of cp epogos. comfy pogo is the newest and easiest

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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which one is the fastest?

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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the backup for failing it is still vsync or panta pogo since you cant do comfy pogo more than once

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Pantapogo is the fastest

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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pantapogo is scary

hallow orchid Apr 6, 2021, 9:58 PM

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But they're all pretty comparable in speed

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 9:59 PM

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^ taking a hit will always be slower. console doesnt need to menu so vsync is about even with panta pogo

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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also what is "hell room"? sounds scary

grizzled maple Apr 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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hell room is the triple twister room in sanctum

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 10:00 PM

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oh god

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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grizzled maple hell room is the triple twister room in sanctum

Soul sanctum in general is easily the worst area in the game imo

knotty vigil Apr 6, 2021, 10:02 PM

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yeah i'd rather do deepnest 10 times than do soul sanctum

elfin vortex Apr 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Is ss in any%?

frank obsidian Apr 6, 2021, 10:03 PM

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No deepnest the worst imo