speedrunning

[zealous kettle]

judging by my distance gain with ||anklets, beast, and charge|| i think its perfectly doable without movespeed

[forest summit]

Anyways what I'm here for is to show this. If you use ||tacks|| you can get an actually significant amount of damage on bosses during their scream at the start of the fight. I used ||last judge|| because I did a lot before finding ||tacks|| and it's also really easy to do against this boss. This should be pretty good for speedruns

You forgot to spoiler

This too

Oh frick and this bro we gotta lock in

[zealous kettle]

this is true for ||sting shards|| as well, but they require more precise spacing

[primal sun]

sorry only got discord just to show the skip

[forest summit]

Lol you're good

It's just in the pinned message and we don't want mods to have to say something

[forest summit]

do you get ||sting shards|| early? I haven't found them yet. I also haven't been back to ||forge daughter|| recently if that's where you get them

[zealous kettle]

||forge daughter||

[forest summit]

Okay lol I have stuff again so I'll go back

[forest summit]

You can probably do both

[zealous kettle]

you're cooking

[forest summit]

What ||tacks|| did for me here was get to second phase before the first stagger, making the stagger interrupt one of the ||fire attacks||

I'll try with both next time to see what happens

[zealous kettle]

where are ||tacks?||

[forest summit]

I honestly don't remember I just know I got them and thought they could be useful LMAO

I got them recently too just blanking

Last couple of hours were a blur honestly I did nothing and a lot at the same time

[forest summit]

it may have been in ||atla weavernest|| but idk for sure, you should probably look it up to make it easier if I'm wrong. I remember picking something up in there but idk what it was

It was in a ||claw|| only area

In the room before the ||breakable wall with the mask shard parkour over lava||

OMG NVM

NOT THERE

I REMEMBER

[forest summit]

||Sinner's road wish quest||

[forest summit]

Go up in the room with ||green prince|| and go to the exit on the right (not the one on the very bottom) and climb all the way to the top of that room. You'll find a hut just go in there

[zealous kettle]

did more testing as far as i'm able to tell some form of stall is required to do this skip, either the ||hover|| or ||beast charge|| versions

[forest summit]

Guys should I stop trying to complete areas before moving on and just finish the game or just beat it and do this earlier stuff with more movement? I’m not even at ||Citadel|| yet and we’re basically 4 days in LOL

[zealous kettle]

i mean ive been intentionally clearing as much of an area as i can before moving on

[primal sun]

I just reached ||Citadel ||so i went back to finish all the areas i could and hence the skip, i dont like leaving an area for later if theres a chance or a way i can get there to make 100% easier later. Also finding skips is fun

[forest summit]

I would love to start doing speedruns of this soon lk

But I MUST 100% first

It’s required

[lime zephyr]

Okay i found a skip im not sure if it was found by anybody else yet

For silksong

There’s a way to get past ||morrowind/graymoor|| hell, you could probably skip past far fields if you wanted to. I was able to go through the ||wormways|| and through the little bench thing i was able to access ||shellwood|| from the right

Though of course this may already be known

[forest summit]

Also spoiler locations please (just happened to open dc rn lol)

[lime zephyr]

Sorry!!

[forest summit]

You’re good lol dw

[forest summit]

I’ve thought abt this as well and you can get ||claw|| without ||float|| but it’s so out of the way that it would probably only be good for a low%/minboss% kind of run

Bc you need to get ||dash|| for movement and it’s close enough to ||float|| that going the normal route should be faster right?

Well maybe it would be close enough idk, I’m thinking abt it and the main places I can see ||wormways|| losing time also has pretty similar time loss spots in ||greymoor||

||greymoor|| also has ||thread storm|| which could really help with some bosses, ik on ||sister splinter|| it can phase skip with tight timing, but it’s also pretty out of the way so idk how it would get routed in anyways

[warm crown]

Ive found a way to get directly to citadel from || sinners road|| which completely skips || last judge || as well as putting you at the stag station which allows for quick access to the || cog dancers || assuming this route could be faster and so far I have never had to set foot into || slabs || (not even on my map nor do i know how to even get there

you can just use your dash keybind to go straight vertical but idk if this is anim canceling to where its faster

this is my current map which showcases the unintentional route i took

[warm crown]

if people want i can show the route from the nearest bench

[nimble harbor]

i found an out of bounds glitch

[remote hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1Hx7IxNg5U

MAYBE A CRAZY SPEEDRUNNING SHORTCUT FOR A REWARD I DONT KNOW

IF ANYONE CAN HIT THIS JUMP PLEASE INFORM ME

nvm this guys just better than me

mine may be possible and is possible earlier in the game? as they have a charged ability idk

[robust axle]

Nart can be obtained in Blasted Steps

[remote hazel]

alright thanks for clearing that up

[barren aspen]

You get a new ending when ||you beat the mother while your parasitized by the grey colour thing||

[naive sage]

realistically this has probably already been found but i still wanted to share it in the off chance that it hasn't. ||When a platform is too small to sprint jump off you can dash from mid air and still get the sprint jump||

[warm oriole]

Anyone have all the locations of Mr. Mushroom?

[bitter valley]

Wait y'all doing Speedrun now ?

[fallow umbra]

you can cheese || moorwing by having her first transition death on the corner||

[forest summit]

You can also cheese her with ||reaper crest|| by going back to she start of the room and hitting through the floor

[fallow umbra]

yes but you are talking about || first encounter and in my case it's second encounter? (i don't know if it's second, i skipped first, she might move when the fleas move there) ||

[forest summit]

||first||

[open drift]

||wth is a crest i just got it from some guy bonking his head into a wall||

I CANT HEAL BRO??

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME 😭

[strange jungle]

||i believe you need float for wings which are required i think||

[fallow umbra]

|| you beaten a 'boss' room and it switches your crests, which you can only switch at a bench ||

[strange jungle]

Sorry i was reading messages ages ago and dont know if someone mentioned that already

[open drift]

what even is a ||crest??||

[strange jungle]

||they change how you attack||

[fallow umbra]

it's where you equip your charms

[open drift]

i'm never using this one then

i am unable to heal

[fallow umbra]

|| once you get more then one, on the screen you equip your charms, you can press 'y' on controller to change them ||

[fallow umbra]

same 😄

[open drift]

is the og one the best one

[formal bough]

well ||I beat the game without wings so||

[open drift]

should i use my ||memory locket|| on it

[fallow umbra]

|| i'm using an other one, which has normal pogo down ||

[open drift]

damn bro i want that

[formal bough]

don't have unspoiler tagged silksong content, you're gonna need to delete the video [and repost spoilered if you want]

and yeah that's definitely a thing that'll get used, it's a funny thing

[weak cove]

Yeah I randomly found it early into the game

[formal wyvern]

idk if this door is any important but you dont need double jump for it, i just forgor to unpress jump so I would latch the ledge.

its the ||weaver door|| in ||wormwood||

I had the ||silkspeed anklets|| on as well

[long comet]

hi, i just got all hk steam achievments and i wanna start doing pop speedruns but idk what mods or patchs the speedrunners use can anyone help me out pls ?

[formal wyvern]

I'm gonna guess this door proly doesn't lead to anything

[cyan ibex]

double jump's not until much later ||mt fay||, could probably use grapple instead

[cyan ibex]

It has a ||weaver spike|| with ||sharp shadow like spell||

[formal wyvern]

No clue what grapple is, Im trying to get everything before the ||5 bell door|| and since I could get this might as well.

[cyan ibex]

oh my bad yeah grapple is act 2

[formal wyvern]

Im not gonna unspoil dat, im guesssing its not important enough but got no idea

[cyan ibex]

Silk storm is better

[formal wyvern]

so this would be act 1 skip for whatever this is ig

[formal wyvern]

I got silk storm

is it important at all? I gtg soon for chores and would be fun to know

[prisma marsh]

How do you get to ||verdania||

[cyan ibex]

It's for Completion, it's useful for killing the falling worms and not much else

[cyan ibex]

||Act 3||

[formal wyvern]

dang, was hoping itd be much funnier

[zealous kettle]

yeah there's a couple ways to do this, pancakes is more practical but mine could be used in a rando setting if you really need this check and don't have ||cloak||

#speedrunning message

#speedrunning message

[tender crystal]

to all the speed runners for silksong, hope this is useful to you guys : ||https://youtu.be/_KZpz3i8bZ0||

[maiden sandal]

Wavedashing is slightly faster according to some random yt video with 10 views

[tender crystal]

well, its open for discussion 100%

idk if it is faster talking about pixels or no, but visually at least seems faster

[thorn jasper]

<@&283547423706447872> I see two problems here

[hidden sundial]

Haven't measured but:
||Wavedashing feels faster than both variants in the clip.||
||Unlikely to be good on speedruns, but the sprintmaster charm could change the equation||

[mortal scaffold]

huh ?

[astral epoch]

what's wrong with being gay?

[mortal scaffold]

i beat 7 bosses
but this one ||" Beastfly "|| is so anomaly

[forest summit]

From my experience, ||jumping and dashing at the same time is the fastest form of movement without silkspeed anklets||

[tender crystal]

well

didnt know about the existence of ^

[hidden sundial]

It's good but ||extremely likely unviable for speedrun due to its placement||

[tender crystal]

good to know, didnt found it yet haha

thanks for sharing

[forest summit]

||I hate that it’s that far out of the way but it could honestly still be routed bc of how fast it is, it might save enough time in a few locations just bc of the speed boost to make it viable||

[forest summit]

At least for early runs, after more things get discovered it will most likely be routed out

[hidden sundial]

Yeah but assuming you ||need to go all the way there AFTER getting Dream Nail at home|| makes it 99% not worth it ||unless there's some big skip that requires it||.

In fact, I think the routing trend is to ||skip Far Lands entirely||

[hybrid knot]

I'm not entirely sure how useful this will be but I've found a good way to farm rosaries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzn5DzwniVU

[twilit forge]

Guys any idea why this epogo doesnt work out ? Im trying to do the most important skips but this just keeps failing, i feel like im doing it like in the video ?

[strange jungle]

Oh fair enough i didnt think that was possible from what ive played so far 😂

[agile breach]

idk how to do the current patch e pogo but i think u are getting off the platform too early

[twilit forge]

YES

that was it!

huge thanks tim

[agile breach]

no prob

[fast cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztIUwT0leDM

[forest summit]

Quick question in case I'm just missing it, is ||double jump and the grapple hook ability in act 2?||

[fast cliff]

yep

[forest summit]

Both of them?

[fast cliff]

Yes

[forest summit]

Alr thanks

[lavish hedge]

Found out a way on how to do a super fast dash

[hidden sundial]

Hmm that one looks faster than wavedashing

[clever grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNUip9kuKA

[low crescent]

In case it's not known, it's possible to enter the ||wormways|| ||weaverden|| with only ||dash||, ||beast crest|| and ||charged attack||, may be useful at some point

(I may have been a bit salty about ||spending a key to get there and then being blocked off||)

[forest summit]

That’s what I said lol

[pine grove]

have people acctually beat this game

[knotty vigil]

probably

[forest summit]

A few have

14-15 hours

No one has 100% it yet tho I don't think

Someone could have but I haven't seen anything abt it yet

[thorn jasper]

Blue posted his 100% end screen with an in game time of 38 hours something minutes

[forest summit]

Nice

[zealous kettle]

#speedrunning message

I found the same method, pancake found a better one

[tardy smelt]

does anyone know why the looking down thing ||speeds up elevators and stag animation etc?|| i see a lot speedrunners do this trick and i never got it but i kept doing it on silksong only to realize it does nothing

[formal bough]

the idea is that the game goes "oh an animation ended lemme do something" but instead of it being the gate animation it's the looking animation

it isn't just an end all use everywhere though it's mostly just gates iirc

[flat carbon]

Does anyone know if farsight counts as a percentage?

[balmy pecan]

found a speedrun skip already for silksong to get ||Sharpdart|| early, im willing to explain it and what you need to do it as well as anything else needed, thanks in advance

[high quarry]

||https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight-silksong/clips/l3H3LNInOP4BfhjqT?invite=cr-MSxIQ2UsMjc5NTcxNTU5|| idk if this can be used for anything but uh new noclip glitch in silksong act 3

[zealous kettle]

#speedrunning message

yourhonor

[high quarry]

||https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight-silksong/clips/l3HZq4IPjQoH0ODDS?invite=cr-MSxZcmMsMjc5NTcxNTU5|| true ending tech for the seth fight, dont know if its consistant or how i did this lmao

[uncut meteor]

what does tas mean in a speedrun?

[knotty vigil]

Tool Assisted Speedrun

[cyan ibex]

get the computer to do or help with the actions

[radiant grove]

I haven't beaten the game yet, so not gonna be talking in here due to avoiding spoilers, but I found a way to get OoB. I suspect it happens because your hitbox is disabled during ledge climb animation (this gives you i-frames), but it takes a little bit for it to be reactivated (or you can delay it maybe?). So if you have a climbable ledge that's 1 jump away from a room transition, you can get OoB. Seems pretty limited and I haven't found other cases of it. (spoilered as it's mid-Act 2) ||https://youtu.be/wJfD0YgjXlE||

I don't pay attention here so if you have questions, feel free to ping me

[zenith hinge]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight-silksong/clips/l3I4UggsKLVQPnIqO?invite=cr-MSx5ZUcsNDE5OTc2NzY2 might have been found already but fly glitch :3 (not my original clip BTW)

[pearl sandal]

Hi all, has been previously reported that you can glitch the ||moorwing|| boss ?||https://www.xbox.com/play/media/zPst22MyvU ||

[acoustic pivot]

i just found this glitch myself. i wonder if there is any other places this can be triggered.

[boreal crest]

hey everyone! i don't know if there's speedruns yet or if someone has already suggested this, but! how viable/fun would an "all wishes" category be? i haven't finished the game yet but i thought this could be a good idea!

[tawdry owl]

out of curiosity, has it been decided when the time starts and stops?

[steady lynx]

Time starts on moss grotto room finish loading and ends on the load into the ending cutscene

The autosplitter with load remover will be worked on by some really talented people in the coming weeks

For now we just time with loads between those points

[glacial peak]

Hey, I just wanted to ask quickly if it's allowed to post a speedrun video here.
I basically documented my journey of speedrunning hollow knight any% over the timespan of 3 days and the video goes over the settings, the speedrun route, my mistakes, what improvements I've made and the final run. So basically everything from start to finish.
I just want to make sure to ask in here, before posting it.

If it's not allowed I won't post it of course. And it's also not ready yet, it will still take a few hours

[tawdry owl]

thank you

[rich forge]

This might be a known trick, but for any category it might be helpful in: ||You can actually get to the Disgraced Chef fight with a tight combo of Beast Needle Strike and grapple/dash, so the ingredients Oil isn't actually locked behind Faydown Cloak||

If that would ever be helpful lmao

[topaz grove]

Yes

[bitter jewel]

did anyone time dash slash vs jump dash? and is there something g faster?

[thorn jasper]

please spoiler tag silksong stuff here, see the pinned message

I sent you my keybinds a few days ago but I have since swapped ||Harpoon and Needolin|| so that ||Harpoon and Jump|| are on different fingers

[atomic narwhal]

Ah thanks a lot mate. Ive been trying some things myself and my binds now are very similar

[glacial peak]

Nice, thank you!

[heavy cedar]

Anybody know what the current fastest route is for reaching act 2?

I think I know the quickest way up but I wanted to check

[bitter jewel]

tell me

[heavy cedar]

Alr, I should spoiler the message though right?

What's the chat syntax for that, I forgot

[bitter jewel]

the straig g ht slashes

|

twice tho

|| hidden text |\

[tawdry owl]

and no spaces

[bitter jewel]

spaces are fine tho?

|| zy ||

[tawdry owl]

not between the syntax and text

[heavy cedar]

Alr then, basically the route I'm doing so far is
||1. Rush to Dash then rush back to Bone Bottom, picking up Rosaries & the Mosshome lift on the way.
2. Then I buy simple key & open Wormways, & do a kinda tricky pogo to get into Shellwood early.
3. From there I kill The bosses for Climb & Needolin, before running over to Sinner's road & through the Mist to kill Phantom
4. Boom act 2.||

[bitter jewel]

i just did it tho?

[tawdry owl]

was that always the case?

thats so weird

[bitter jewel]

dunno

[heavy cedar]

Huh, didn't know numbers can't be spoilered, weird

Thoughts on my routing?

[hidden sundial]

It does make sense as a route

You get rid of a lot of unrequired stuff

[heavy cedar]

Yeah, the thought process is that it'll skip about 3-4 areas & a fair number of bosses

[bitter jewel]

i dont g g et the sinners road part

im not stuterring g btw i just need to adjust my HE keyboard

[heavy cedar]

||Sinner's Road connects to an area called The Mist, which leads into the Steam Organ place I can't remmeber the name of. Beat Phantom there & you get an alternate access to Citadel, circumventing Last Judge & the 5 Gate bells.||

[bitter jewel]

ah dang g didnt know

sounds g g reat

1 secc

[heavy cedar]

One other thing I'm making sure to do is to ||Go through hunter's march over deep docks, not only do I think it's quicker, but the ants drop tons of rosaries & theres a 120 breakable you can grab en route||

[forest summit]

||We don't need float, what reason do you have to do that? Ik rosaries but we're routing that in the speedrunning discord so we don't have to go far from the key. It's also looking like fleas are going to be faster||

[heavy cedar]

||You can go through hunters & directly get to the gauntlet pre-dash|| oops

[forest summit]

Spoilers

Pls

[heavy cedar]

I forgot, mb

[forest summit]

||you need dash asap for speed, and you just turn around after dash||

[humble tendon]

So is ||the prison escape squence|| a significant way to skip to the citadel for the 5hr speedrun? I remember encountering ||a fat warden fly in Far Fields but I killed it.||

[heavy cedar]

Even if you turn straight around ||Hunter's March is still a more direct route to dash from Bell Beast||

[forest summit]

||currently we aren’t going passed dash in docks and aren’t touching hunters, getting the key (or fleas), going to claw through either fleas or wormways, and climbing up through mist to get to citadel||

[forest summit]

No, you can’y get anywhere with that. Have to go through ||mist||

[humble tendon]

Dang. Thought a "secret" area could be a clever way in. Almost seems like a missed opportunity lol.

[forest summit]

Ik but it would only work if that actually opened up ||Citadel||, and it’s slower sadly

[humble tendon]

Tanked a lot of time wandering ||the mist|| to no avail.

[humble tendon]

Remind me what's in the way?

[forest summit]

||do you want to know how it works||

[humble tendon]

Not yet, Ill at least beat the game first

[forest summit]

||the gate to go to choral is locked from choral side||

[humble tendon]

Balls

Ill report as a bug, thanks

[forest summit]

Hmm?

[humble tendon]

Its a joke

[forest summit]

||with act one movement I couldn’t get anywhere in Slab after getting my stuff back and opening everything that was available. Is apostate key just something I missed?||

[humble tendon]

I also didnt find it there

After briefly going back later

[formal bough]

I mean this is #speedrunning not #sk-help but ||apostate key is found somewhere else on the map, not in the slab, correct||

[glacial peak]

Hey, recently I've started speedrunning Hollow Knight any% and I've made a video about it.
In this video I shared my learning process, mistakes I've made along the way, improvements and the final runs, all in only 3 days!
I thought I might as well share it here in case some people in the Hollow Knight community are interested in it!
https://youtu.be/XZo2Nf7IOCA

[celest lintel]

i found a glitch in the red dancer thing boss fight, where you get invincible appart from his tornados maybe it can be found somewhere else

i did it by pogoing on his balls the second they came out of the ground

[thorn jasper]

please spoiler tag silksong stuff here, see pinned message

[heady granite]

anyone know how i can acquire a digital controller similar to leps

[hidden wave]

how have people already beaten the game?

[median wasp]

Last I checked it was around 3% of players on Steam

[hidden wave]

that's wild im still in || Greymoor ||

[crystal tusk]

I just had this glitch in my fight and was about to post it

[inland hare]

Anyone have a video of the current record? Wanting to mimic it for the 5 hour achievement.

[mossy brook]

You don't need to do the any% route for the 5 hour achievement, is way too hard

Check the pins for a 5 hour guide

[slender wing]

i have found frame perfect speedtech in silksong where if you dash on the same frame you start the ledge climb animation (given the ledge isnt too high) you get a little corner correct

not really useful but i think its pretty cool

[hard quail]

Silksong bug with the||Beastling||||'s call||
I tried searching the channel and didn't find anything
||Using it near floor respawning hazard sent me through the floor out of bounds lol. Dying to the hazard sent me out of bound in the location I last benched at||

[steady lynx]

The return of the thorn warp?

[hard quail]

the spot where it happened map screenshot ||blasted steps||

managed to reproduce it in a different bench in a different zone
just a screenshot of hornet's map icon in nowhere land
sadly it's just a void since rooms don't load
gonna pick a bench with a floor below in the same room to see if I can stick a landing

nope, she has no collision

[leaden thunder]

my brother originally did this glitch on accident with ||the last judge|| and was able to skip basically skip it and I was finally able to recreate it. I do have 3 tool dmg upgrades so it might do less without those.

[steady lynx]

Gonna forward this to the speedrun discord server and see if we can figure it out

[leaden thunder]

thank you and god speed

[steady lynx]

Do you have a picture of your exact loadout for this?

[hoary flume]

check out this "tech" I found (act 2 last boss)

[steady lynx]

Yeah, this has been posted a few times, it's due for getting fixed soon

[hoary flume]

i c

[chilly elm]

Hey, I came across a tiktok that if able to be replicated, can be a speed run tech for silksong, am I allowed to send the link for the tiktok in the discord somewhere?

[steady lynx]

spoiler mark the link

[chilly elm]

Will do

|| https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8S8ykG6/ ||

[minor pond]

just tools, but it could have been much less time if I had hit

[chilly elm]

How can somebody spoil a video? I don't know how to, I'm on mobile by the way

[formal bough]

?tag imgspoiler

[river axle]

No tag imgspoiler found.

[formal bough]

?tag imgspoilers

[river axle]

🔹 All spoiler rules also apply to images of in-game content. To tag an image, follow these instructions: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349116318865424384/1048068304801120336/HK_Discord_Spoilers.jpg

🔹 Images that were sent untagged cannot be edited and must be deleted.

[chilly elm]

Thx for the help

[river axle]

🔹 All spoiler rules also apply to images of in-game content. To tag an image, follow these instructions: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349116318865424384/1048068304801120336/HK_Discord_Spoilers.jpg

🔹 Images that were sent untagged cannot be edited and must be deleted.

[formal bough]

... I was telling dyno to post the instructions

[chilly elm]

Sorry about that, i misunderstood

There we go, I did it right that time

[chilly elm]

For anyone that doesn't have tiktok, I screen recorded the tiktok here #speedrunning message

If able to be replicated would that be a good speed run tech?

[formal bough]

Could be used in a glitch speedrun

[steady lynx]

Thanks, I don't actually have tiktok

[fallow jay]

I accidentally found a wall clip in ||Underworks||. There's a very specific pixel that allows for a clip at the top and bottom of the bridge. It's unclear if it's possible in other locations.

[inland hare]

Anyone have a flow chart or anything like that of what is required to beat the game in 5h? That or the fastest any% run someone has completed?

[thorn jasper]

Blue posted splits of ||2:19:12|| but idk if he uploaded to youtube

[quasi orchid]

OnakuTV has a 1:46 in their most recent Twitch VOD

[spring copper]

ppl might also just know this already i wouldnt be an ounce surprised

[steady lynx]

Onaku has it on youtube as well, it was linked in the speedrun discord a few minutes ago

[thorn jasper]

an unspoilered screenshot of spoilered text is wild

[spring copper]

true LMAO 😭

[quasi orchid]

Where can I find a link to the speedrun discord?

[spring copper]

i should probably spoil it

[thorn jasper]

pins

[left needle]

Is this skip impressive? (this is my first playthrough btw I just thought of this)

[spring copper]

posting this here too cause if this is a bug that people havent found (im sure it is) it COULD be useful for 100% or something similar since it might skip the intended way (which i dont know as this is my first playthrough) posting this here too cause if this is a bug that people havent found (im sure it is) it COULD be useful for 100% or something similar since it might skip the intended way (which i dont know as this is my first playthrough)

reposted with spoiler

[inland hare]

Looked at the pins, not seeing it. I'm also on my phone so it could be that I'm missing it. Would you mind linking it?

[formal bough]

The speedrunning community have their own Discord which can be found here https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD . Join to discuss all things related to competitive speedrunning.

second pin

[thorn jasper]

see above (thanks Alexa). mobile cuts off pinned messages, thanks discord

[formal bough]

oh does mobile do that, that's lovely

[thorn jasper]

yeah you have to tap the message to jump to it to see the whole thing and there's no indication it's been truncated. perfect ux

[steady lynx]

discord mobile being the most convenient app ever as usual

[weary sleet]

His run is on YT at the very end of his latest 9 hour stream.

[tacit wren]

silksong
is this known?

[formal bough]

yah, but good clip

[steady lynx]

We're still collecting data on some quirks about the game, so anything is good

[fringe falcon]

chat have we considered that we dont need ||float|| to beat Skilsong any%

hear me out,|| you get dash then use a simple key to go up worm ways into steps to shellwood for wall cling to bellheart for Needolin, back way into Greymoor (which skips moorwing) and then mist rotue the rest||

[thorn jasper]

please spoiler tag silksong stuff in this channel, see the pinned message

[fringe falcon]

fixed

[formal bough]

yeah that's known; though what route is best is still to be figured out (I should check what route people are using)

[zealous kettle]

||another wormweaver skip video has hit the speedrunning channel||

[fringe falcon]

i think its better route or atleast is for sure better for low% as it ||removes float from the run entirely||

[formal bough]

the ||simple key is 500 rosaries which makes it possibly slow; up to be figured||

[fringe falcon]

yeah thats the big worry for any%

but for low% it just makes it annoying

[zealous kettle]

(I got the same idea to use ||beast crest, but I ended up doing beast charge -> dash reset because I couldn't nail the execution to do the float version lmao||

[hidden sundial]

I think the current discussion is between this variation and ||5 fleas Moorwing skip into Shellwood||.

[dense elbow]

Anybody here know smob there's a person on the night I don't know if they changed their username and I cannot find went through my friends list on friendly people and I think I unfriended her

[formal bough]

a) spoiler tag things and b) nicely figured out; unfortunately ||wouldn't be useful here. There's another enemy [deep docks explody throwing gues] that have the same kind of projectile and you can do this on them to, and it might be useful there? I haven't looked hard into it yet too busy trying to 100%||

[prime summit]

Cool cool. Ill look into it further on my next run.

Deleted it because of spoiler

Sorry bout that

[formal bough]

I mean still nicely done reproducing it so well

[arctic hound]

Can't wait for the embargo lift

[terse plume]

Can the fleas skip you into act 2?

I assume not but it would be funny

[steady lynx]

||Last Judge is almost absolutely required||

[terse plume]

||ah so its not like Moorwing where they can just set up camp on top of him and kick him out?||

[slow turret]

do we have the list of thing required to get any% ?

[ivory viper]

Has anyone been using air dash cancels to gain higher speed than regular running?

[normal aspen]

Yeah

[hidden sundial]

Rip pogo float

[kind flame]

No because you'd need the fleas I'm act two to get the caravan to the final spot to be in act 2

[terse tulip]

You could get to act 2 from ||sinners road|| and get the fleas that way but I assume the game won't allow the caravan to just casually kick out ||last judge|| from his post

[terse plume]

I mean it does for ||moorwing||

So idk

But if there just arent enough fleas in act 1 then shame

[elder timber]

I believe he just gets moved elsewhere

[prime summit]

I had this happen as well and recorded it. It's being patched out soon, but you can use it in a couple areas outside of the boss fight to possibly get some extra height as when the projectiles leave the screen hornet stops floating. Also you're not always invincible I've found out. Not sure what triggers this.

[uneven rock]

found glitch that might be helpful for speed runs at some point

silk song

basically flight and makes it so some attacks can't hit you

[steady lynx]

This is considered a major glitch for now and is due to be patched out so we'll see if it has any usefulness

Unfortunately ||The patch that's fixing it will also improve the ease of Rosary routing so it might just end up being an early patch curiousity||

One of the main struggles we're having with speedrun routes right now is ||Rosary routing, it's very difficult on release patch||

[orchid granite]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight-silksong/clips/l4l6s2OefPCUhQUc1?invite=cr-MSxNR1ksMTkwNzg5NjU5&v=25

Probably an infinite flight bug 🤷

I believe you need Clawline and the floaty cloak

[slow turret]

how many rosaries do you really need ?

you just need them for some benches here and there right ?

And stations aswell ig

[steady lynx]

For any% NMG it's not too bad, but I'm working on ||TE NMG, which has some unexpected requirements||

We have figured out the exact requirements for ||Silk and Soul|| to become available at least

[weary sleet]

What are they? I’ve already gotten through it, but I’m curious what the actual requirements are.

[steady lynx]

||Silk and Soul

QUESTS

Flexile Spines (hunt for spine cores)
Bone Bottom Repairs (bb repair 1)
A Lifesaving Bridge (bb repair 2)
Crawbug Clearing (kill crows for scarecrow)
Building Up Songclave (sc repair 1)
Strengthening Songclave (sc repair 2)
Restoration of Bellhart (bh repair 1)
Bellhart's Glory (bh repair 2)
Trail's End (shakra final quest)
Balm for the Wounded (rescue sherma)

WORLD STATE

Fleatopia
Double Jump
Lace Refight
House Key```||

[weary sleet]

Ah nice, now I know why it took me forever to get it 😂

[steady lynx]

||Shakra final quest also requires buying all the maps she sells||

[south geyser]

Based on my cursory playthrough that will be an issue

[weary sleet]

||TE NMG is gonna be a nightmare to route||

[steady lynx]

Right now we're ||Checking out the changes to Relic values and bellway costs in the 1.0.28470 beta||

[flint valley]

Hi everyone, how are you? I came to bring a possible speedrun trick. As far as I saw, the mob went through the wall, possibly in a bugged hitbox in the mobrush. If the hornet took a hit like I did on the mob and went through the wall, it could go through the entire mobrush with this glitch. The video above is complete (PT BR) on my tiktok channel, which is called zeloide2.0.

[summer charm]

Weird bug I encountered during the boss fight of ||Trobbio|| bug starts at 2:40, can maybe be used in a speedrun
||https://youtu.be/mwz3hX7AO8E||

Not sure if the bug would persist after defeating/leaving the fight

[formal bough]

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you pinged gusten twice for this (reply ping + actual ping) lmao

[placid surge]

Ok quick little thing I found (idk if someone else found it) but in ||Whispering Vaults|| you can clip through these with a down attack, at least with the ||beast's crest|| into the moving parts

[spring flicker]

Whats the silksong any% nmg wr?

[vital crypt]

1:24

[spring flicker]

Goddam

Wish I could watch but I dont want spoilers

[fickle rock]

This anyone bring the any percent nmg record down since 1:24

Did

[tiny stirrup]

if u use ||Beastling Call|| on ||Blasted Steps|| near the worm infested sand you die and when u came back you no clip through everything idk if this can be exploited

[orchid lily]

Hey does anyone know how to setup autosplit for silksong?

or anywhere i can be sent that could help

[formal bough]

An autosplitter hasn't been built yet

The autosplitter dev is working on it [ifla] but it's still in development

[hidden sundial]

Easy skips for achievements I'd say you care about Wingless Watcher Knights and potentially Crossroads acid skip. You can do without any skips but the WK skip saves you from fetching wings which is quite a road down

Check the guide in pins

[spring flicker]

The pale ore in basin is the easiest one to get

Its fast and close to nailsmith

If you need a nail upgrade

[deft blade]

@abstract shore

[trim brook]

I had a goofy idea for a speedrun, Baby Jail, you max out grimmchild then put it in jail by bringing it with you and doing ending 1, or for extra lols by doing sealed siblings

[trim brook]

the tricky part is when should you interrupt the any% route to start doing grimm troupe

[mint mist]

if by max out you mean post-nkg, you’re probably mostly just running nkg% except with a random detour to monomon

oh wait you said sealed siblings nvm

[trim brook]

yeah, beat NKG, then take the baby to jail by beating HK with the charm equipped

doing sealed siblings is to make sure the baby doesnt leave jail lol

[willow yew]

hey guys, just recently trying to speedrun bit by bit, any tips on the QGA skip?

[mint mist]

true ending but you don’t enter radiance

if you die/beat that ending and then try again and don’t enter radiance yeah

wdym tho

yes

well

you need the things required to get voidheart but yeah

in practice voidheart is all

[thorn jasper]

and 3 dreamers

[mint mist]

right

[trim brook]

yeah, dreamers and void heart, but when hornet comes into give you the opertunity to do radience, wait and then seald siblings happens

so baby jail would be a TE route but you squeeze in NKG in there and you beat HK with max level grimmchild charm equipped

and the other variant of baby jail would just be the any% route with NKG mixed in

[feral snow]

Is there an explanation of the speedrun paths so far? I'm watching a run but getting confused on WHY we go through certain areas/get specific items

[raven sage]

(in silksong in case you are avoiding any name spoilers) is it possible to skip ||fourth chorus|| by not ||sitting at seamstress bench|| and reloading save file

[steady lynx]

Everything hardsaves you

[raven sage]

dang

[steady lynx]

But there are other ways to skip it

[raven sage]

ooh

[formal bough]

this really is so true

[hidden sundial]

I believe you can ||just skip hover altogether||

[cursive wagon]

Silksong on Switch 2 here. Found a glitch that gives you infinite height and semi-invincibility during a boss fight. Wanted to see if it was reproducible/if this carries over past this room but I died before I could cheese

[forest summit]

Yeah you can

[forest summit]

It doesn’t just work in the boss fight but we don’t know everything abt it yet

We do know how to activate it

[formal bough]

It's ||tied to the specific projectile you pogo'd; there's more projectiles that do it but it would end the moment you leave afaik||

[cursive wagon]

ty for the info, didn't see it posted on places like twitter so figured I'd ask 🙏

[forest summit]

We’ve talked abt it some in the speedrunning dc

[steady lynx]

Right now usefulness for glitched runs isn't documented, it's not gonna be allowed in NMG and it's patched out in a week

[forest summit]

Yeah

[forest summit]

||it can be used in glitched hundo I believe||

[hidden sundial]

Though I feel like ||Widow|| kinda sucks without it

[shadow sail]

hey yall, im wanting to get into speedrunning SS but im honestly not sure where to start at all. Does anyone have any tips or such for someone like me?

[static sage]

I would start in the tutorial

[shadow sail]

........

[inner viper]

I don't think this is bad advice, if you want the starting point tutorial if fine

I'd also soon start with my speedrunning practice. Personally, I would probably (already did) check out the some of the routes, practice the hell out of them, possibly modify since current route is nowhere near optimal. Also you need to practice because there's a lot of tough fights especially Moorwing, Lace 2 and that arena

[haughty dock]

Oh are we Talking about that Mob Arena Fight?

[leaden vapor]

We're probably talking about that arena fight

[inner viper]

Yeah, arena that mustn't be named

[leaden vapor]

the dreaded hunter's march arena

[shadow sail]

honestly moorwing and lace 2 werent hard in my first playthrough, just took me a few trys since im coming off of like 5 hours in HK

i finished my first playthrough (base ending) in under 20 hrs which i feel is decent

does anyone have advice on where to find all of the current routes? like yt videos, twitch streams, forums, etc?

i honestly just dont know where to start in all of this

[normal aspen]

everything is still being fine tuned and resources are quite limited atm, but basically everything is located in the speedrunnig server (invite in the pins)

[shadow sail]

gotcha, tysm

[vast smelt]

it was reportoducible. down attack the baloons from the center when they come up. should have been patched though.

ive been playing some unraveled and am exepreincing a bug. i don't know what the trigger is but i m sure it involves parry.
you can make unraveled body ghostlike. you can freely go inside of it. but if you tough the bell on top, it still deals daamge (so you can dash through him)

[warped brook]

https://youtu.be/dphHkEcTxKE?si=gwhzy0V7F98t9C56

hey i discovered this like

4d ago

/5d ago

and i'm p sure it is faster than wave jumping and it is also a lot easier

wave jumping mixed in to climb is nice too tho

[limpid swift]

Anyone got or is working on a route for the <5hrs run for SS?

[warped brook]

isn't there one where u can get sub 1h30

i've not watched it all tho

watching it rn

[limpid swift]

thats even better, could you share it please?

[warped brook]

https://youtu.be/If8bCzk3MCw?si=yUjFhgsnwJdGdYsO

[warped brook]

also watch the other vid i sent above

also idk if it's for the first moorwing fight u encounter, but when i first beat moorwing, i accidentally managed to make him like

fall into a platform when staggered

but he like

got stuck

and was infinitely falling even though he was on a platform

and i staggered him 2 more times iirc then just beat him

it was rly strange

[pearl hemlock]

does anyone has a map wit the cloak route?

[half tide]

Are there any significant skips discovered yeT?

Should you beat Widow for needle upgrade before heading for Phantom?

[sage mantle]

||needolin, and therefore widow||, is required

[half tide]

Ah right.

Forgor.

[sage mantle]

but yeah I think current wr gets a ||nail upgrade|| before getting ||melodies||

[versed blaze]

Hello! I'm learning speedrunning C:

[thorn jasper]

@sage mantle @half tide see the pinned message, silk song stuff should be spoiler tagged in this channel

[sage mantle]

Not trying to be annoying but this channel is absolutely packed with spoilers already but i tagged my messages

[thorn jasper]

I know I asked one of the admins if there could be a separate ss-speedrunning channel that allows spoilers

[sage mantle]

Yeah that would be a good idea

Or just change the channel rules because you can't really discuss speedruns without spoilers

[formal bough]

You need to spoiler tag things in this channel still

[terse tulip]

Oh my bad

What are the requirements for |||white key|| to spawn in ||songclave||? I was doing first try for the ||sinners road|| path and Im quite baffled that the key is just not here this time lol

Normally it should be here

[spring flicker]

Bro first its double damage and now we have to deal with hackers, the devs really threw with this one

But seriously should I report it to bugs?

It happened 3 seperate times and is very consistant

An ai overview is saying it got patched out?

But I couldn't find any real sources

[formal bough]

Unless it's included under

Various additional fixes and tweaks
it probably hasn't been patched in the public beta

idk what would make an ai overview think it's been patched we love ai hallucinations

You might as well report it

[novel flame]

I tested out some damage stuff in endgame and put it in a textfile. I don't think it will help in any% but maybe in act3% or 100%

[spring flicker]

Its so easy to replicate that I thought they had prob seen it

Like it happened about 50% of the time when entering the room

[tawdry patio]

BlueSR just got A new world Record!

[spring flicker]

What?

Ss or hk?

Also what's the time?

[worthy owl]

Hello I've ask around but no luck, but do you keep a doc where you calculate damage output vs needle upgrade with you?

I feel like I'm doing more damage all of a sudden today, and I'm not sure if my game is in a bugged state or not

[novel flame]

individual upgrades i didnt test anything with no just maxed

[worthy owl]

so I try this channel

I see. Thanks anyway

[worthy owl]

can you show me anyway?

or is it all included in the txt file above?

[novel flame]

in textfile is just hits or uses taken to kill two particular mobs but that can be extrapolated

[worthy owl]

ah I see. Thank you

[novel flame]

there is some interested stuff i found though

like ||shaman crest counter|| doing almost double the damage from normal one

[fringe mural]

Silksong 1h17m any% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-sWEZHUHBY

[weak egret]

i thought my 4h30m in steel soul was good....

[fringe mural]

It's also very much improvable, he died a couple times and messed up some platforming, plus movement is still not optimal. I can see it going under 1h10m soon-ish, plus this|| was a cloak run, some people are already experimenting with cloakless routes, Citadel is kinda insane thou||

[earnest forum]

I need to beat SS fast so i can start running it

[slow turret]

does anyone know why we fight ||trobio ||in any% ?

[lyric thistle]

Whats a good way to learn hk Speedrun strats

[novel flame]

how else would you get the melody in the vaults

[earnest forum]

Watch other speedrun vids. That's what i did. Fireborn, BlueSR, MonStahLer

[lyric thistle]

I love speedruns honestly

They're so fun to watch

[earnest forum]

I agree, and as soon as i beat my casual SS playthrough in a few days, I'm gonna start learning the speedrun for it.

[lyric thistle]

I could never

Ss is so huge

[earnest forum]

It's massive, but seeing that the current any% is at 1h17m, i know i can do it.

[lyric thistle]

Wasn't it 16?

By blue

[earnest forum]

I see his 1:17:05 run.

[spring flicker]

I believe in you

[earnest forum]

But also they haven't opened the leaderboards yet on speedrun.com, so it's a little hard to keep track right now

[earnest forum]

Tank youuuu! I have the dream to get a WR run and some point. (and once i move to a place that has better internet, i'm gonna stream it more)

[terse plume]

wonder if it'll get under an hour

damn is cloakless actually possible, that's crazy

[fickle rock]

What’s the wr rn

[humble berry]

Guys i think i found a more consistent way of doing the flying bug skip in the beginning of the run. I was having a hard time doing it, so i figured out that if you heal after pogoing the bug coming from the right (heal right beside the ledge), the bug gets set up to be easily pogo'd again coming from the left

[hearty solstice]

@remote pine yes ?

[remote pine]

Silksong

[hearty solstice]

yes?

[remote pine]

#sk-discussion

[nova cairn]

hey im slightly curious what is considered a fast time to beat path of pain?
my PB right now is 4:19

[mint mist]

i’d consider 2m30 or below a pretty fast time, but it’s going to depend a lot on who you talk to

[digital seal]

Playing through pretty quickly, not getting stuck on bosses and collecting 100% of everything and it still took 21hrs to hit act 3

100% speed run is going to be a pain

It's the damn wishes

If the pins dropped every kill I would've finished faster it's the only hunt wish that's RNG on the drop

At one point killed 6 with no pin

[turbid igloo]

currently i'm experimenting with a way to get into wisp thicket with no double jump. i've found if you do the mantle jump and then heal to carry a bit of extra momentum you can get really close to being able to do so. i'm just curious if anyone has found more success or has an idea to get that tiny bit of extra height

[tender drift]

is hop dashing a known about thing in ss, like jumping then immediatly dashing. i ask bcs watching speedruns they seem to just sprint but doing spamming the jump dashes is faster movement, plus it is extremely useful in boss fights because you can dodge much faster than you could with a normal dash making it possible to dodge attacks which you otherwise couldnt

[turbid igloo]

it is known yes, 6% faster movement

[tender drift]

is there a reason it doesnt seem to be used tho?

[turbid igloo]

some people might not know, there isn't exactly anywhere with collective information on speedrunning methods right now

[steady lynx]

Some runners have opted into not doing it to save the damage it does to their hands

[turbid igloo]

honestly fair enough

[tender drift]

that makes sense

[steady lynx]

The top any% runners seem to be intent on doing it, so any% WR times may require it eventually

[tender drift]

i would assume so, i didnt see wr attempts using it so i was curious

[turbid igloo]

btw 2nd high jump of wisp thicket is possible just very hard. idk if i can actually get into wisp thicket though

[dusk swallow]

yo i’m new i just got dash idk if this has alr been discovered but i found a way to have a faster dash

if you hit the dash and the jump button at the exact same time you stay really close to the ground while still dashing this lets you go faster

(i can’t do it perfectly yet but in the beginning of the clip you can see it happen)

[turbid igloo]

yeah thats known

[dusk swallow]

thanks

[turbid igloo]

we love the spirit though, keep testing

[spring flicker]

Is this glitch known yet?

[turbid igloo]

i havent seen it lol

[spring flicker]

"They see me rollin"

She flote

[raven sage]

lol

[formal bough]

a) please spoiler tag the images/video and b) funny bugs, but almost certainly not useful for speedrunning

[spring flicker]

Mb

Party pooper

Im sorry that wasn't mature of me

[slow turret]

How do you get into greymoor cloakless ?

[formal bough]

a) spoiler tag and b) I believe it's ||the flea route; so you travel with the flea caravan to greymoor||

[slow turret]

Oh okay

[spring flicker]

How hard is the final boss?

Like in relation to other bosses

[slow turret]

|| Not as hard i found ||

[spring flicker]

||first phase is so free||

This fight is actually fun

[spring flicker]

||...surely its like thk and there's a secondary boss after right? Right?||

Retorical

[spring flicker]

That was so easy

[humble berry]

Easier more consistent way of doing the skip, probably around 2 seconds slower

[half tide]

Does architect have potential to be a fast boss killer or is it too expensive to use?

[idle hollow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3Mx30_Gjq3k?si=R__4VN8CRepgNQQX

got it using beast

[oak marsh]

where can i find the speedrun route?

[formal bough]

#1365522384332783637 message

[naive charm]

Feeling proud of myself and want to post it somewhere, first attempt

[next steeple]

Alright, I just want the achievement not a WR, what abilities do I absolutely need and what's the more or less optimal route

[hidden sundial]

For a comfortable route, you can get VS, Dash, Claw, Dive, Lantern, CDash, DDark, Dream Nail, and optionally Nail1/Isma/Wings but not required. After that kill dreamers and THK

[mint mist]

what do you bet they were talking about skong

i really like that they didn’t specify

[hidden sundial]

Well, for SKong I didn't study a route lmao

[mint mist]

me neither!

[spice echo]

What’s current world record Any% NMG time looking like as of now?

[hidden sundial]

I still haven't even finished the game anyway

[mint mist]

have fun!

[mint mist]

which one?

hk or skong

[hidden sundial]

Skong I think it's 1h 16m

[mint mist]

last i heard yes

blue’s run getting beaten

[hidden sundial]

I mean, to be expected

[spice echo]

Should’ve specified my fault, how’s the silk song runs, I know hollow knight is still around 31-32 minutes iirc

[mint mist]

yeah but it was a big thing for him

[spice echo]

1:16 is pretty fast

[mint mist]

i’m happy for wr

[hidden sundial]

Holding WR even for 10 minutes is massive

[mint mist]

absolutely

i think it felt great for him

surely

[hidden sundial]

1h 16m is probably how long I take with a single boss lmao

[mint mist]

would be cool to bask, but the runners are evolving so fast

[hidden sundial]

I'm not competing unless for some reason I find a very optimized route

Which will def not happen before someone else does

Sooo I'll just follow my og plan of playing my casual and proceeding to map everything for rando

[next steeple]

Yeah it was skong, sorry

[knotty vigil]

wait who beat it?

[hidden sundial]

For 5 hours skong without building a route I'd say ||rush dash and hover (not hard required but nice to have), get Wormways simple key into Shellwood, get Claw and Needolin, do mist route into citadel, get Cogwork Dancers and White Key into the hook thingie, song trifecta and don't die.||

[verbal beacon]

how do u do the thing that lewers the little floaty go over to skip the shellwood area

[next steeple]

||I forgor what gives dash again||

[mint mist]

on controller it’s pushing the right stick in

idk about kb

[hidden sundial]

||some random room in Deep Docks||

[verbal beacon]

what the hell lol

i have like 60 hours and ive never even done that move what does it even do?

[mint mist]

i did ||silk spear, dash, cloak, up to greymoor from far fields, claw, widow,|| and then that’s where i am now

that’s just early game tho

[mint mist]

(act 1 spoilers)

[hidden sundial]

Yeah that's what I did as well

But naturally not at a speedrun pacing

[mint mist]

i haven’t watched the any% runs very diligently but i think that’s what one of the routes does?

[formal bough]

Remilegi I think? they're definitely a top runner I'm not sure if they have the 1:13:59 or if that's somebody else I can't read chinese/korean Time looks to be a 1:13:59

(#1365522384332783637 message is splits screenshot)

[hidden sundial]

Very likely. Optimal route likely ||skips cloak and therefore 4th Chorus and Greymoor||

[naive charm]

i just got run/dash and cloak and rushed up to the citadel through the mist

[mint mist]

i keep hearing about something like that, yeah

[formal bough]

okay yeah google image translating the korean from the chzzk screenshot gives me remilegi

[mint mist]

huge

[verbal beacon]

so u have to use needilon to get thru the mist right

[mint mist]

need lion 🦁🫴

he has needs

[formal bough]

for the time being, this channel still requires spoiler tags

[verbal beacon]

Why would somebody be speed running if they haven’t beat the game but alright

[mint mist]

this is the speedrunning channel in the hk server, so speedrunning conversations from hk have been here for years

silksong is new

and now the two games share a channel

so all the people talking about hk speedrunning who don’t wanna be spoiled for skong kinda hit a wall

unless spoiler tags

(or separate speedrunning channels for the games, but that idea has been shot down)

[verbal beacon]

Why was that idea shot down

[lean flax]

why was that shot down? I feel like that is the obvious choice

[mint mist]

[verbal beacon]

By who

[mint mist]

i wish that had happened too, but it didn’t, so i wash my hands of the situation

[verbal beacon]

I can’t remember if this was the speed running server I was in before

[mint mist]

you’re probably thinking of the one in the pins

hksr

they have separate channels for the games

[verbal beacon]

Il probably go there then for speed running

[lean flax]

does anyone know if there is a simple route made for the silksong speedrun achievement yet? something not as sweaty as the WR route they're using. with more upgrades picked up etc.

[mint mist]

honestly the route that blue used isn’t awful, since you’re not trying to go fast

just take more benches i guess

play safer

[lean flax]

did he get any nail upgrades?

[mint mist]

2!

[lean flax]

oh nice

[mint mist]

so many

but it makes sense

[lean flax]

yeah i'll have a scrub through the video then

ty

[mint mist]

good luck!

i’m going for it also

[lean flax]

sub 5 hours can't be too bad honestly, it's more likely i forget where i'm going

[mint mist]

seems likely

i get lost often too

i have a little bit of early game practice but kinda lose my mental map after that

[mint mist]

cactus said they’re patching out ||cloakless|| route?

idk the logistics of it but that’s stupid

when will tc be nice to speedrunners

[sage lava]

I mean isn’t it slower than the normal route with it?

When I looked at it it looks like it might be able to be made faster with lots of optimizations but the route that does pick it up seems good no?

[terse plume]

Is this no cloak as in no fayden cloak?

[fickle rock]

Is the wr still 1:17

[sand hazel]

No. Cloakless saved around 5-10 minutes but was a lot harder

It is fully patched now with the beta

[sage lava]

Ah alright

[sand hazel]

which means I lost around 20 hours of practice...

[sage lava]

Unfortunate

But it kind of makes sense the float seems like a core ability

[sand hazel]

Eh, cloakless was cool idk why the patched it

and we're not already gonna have a 1221 situation so

easy route it is 👍

[sage lava]

Yeah it Definetly is cool that you can beat the game without a seemingly important ability

Kinda similar to choosing isma’s or c dash imo

[sage lava]

Seems like there is only really going to be one main route with maybe some differences in micro optimizations but nothing major

[steady lynx]

Much less confusing for new runners

Come on TC, give us something to encourage not downpatching

[stable wedge]

is anyone working on an auto splitter for the game yet?

[keen coral]

How do I get my livesplit timer to run properly? Watching Blue play it freezes in like menus and stuff, Silksong

[sage lava]

It’s the difference between RTA ( which includes lag and loading times) or what blue runs which doesn’t include the loading times

[steady lynx]

Join the pinned server, opt into Silksong gamer and ask in ss-tech-support

[cedar shadow]

what mods are allowed during speedruns?

in hollow knight

[steady lynx]

Here's a list of mods you are allowed to use in main board speedruns of Hollow Knight:

I hope you found the list helpful

[terse plume]

What did the patch do? Make it so the fleas can't take you to ||greymoor|| early?

[steady lynx]

That and fixed ||A wall in lategame so you can't skip cloak anymore||

[sage lava]

||made cloak necessary||

[fathom fulcrum]

is there something i can do to practice specific boss fights for runs?

[terse plume]

Ah I see

Yeah the reqs seem way harder to avoid than original hk

Its funny that the only place you actually need to use wings is so easily avoided by pogoing a background object

Don't even need a tricky shade setup or anything

[spring shard]

is there a under 5 hour silksong route?

[sage mantle]

has anyone gotten the sub-30 hour 100% yet?

[sage mantle]

the current record is around 1 hour 15 mins so yes

[spring shard]

I saw that's crazy honestly I was just looking for a route for the achievement, but 100% feels more achievable than 5hr without a route

I managed 100% with full journal at 42hrs first playtrough

[sage mantle]

i don't think there's a guide for the route yet, but you could watch the wr run and try to copy it with some more safety benches and stuff

[rocky dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349116318865424384/1415658719882121236/SPOILER_Hollow_Knight_2025.09.11_-_13.20.29.14.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=68c4026c&is=68c2b0ec&hm=cbd48a6777c23c81b9da918c4385c43aacfaf384aff764e217eeecf26a197039&

uhh

can somebody explain?

not sure if i accidentally did something or if mods affected it but that was certainly uhh, strange

[foggy glade]

hello has anyone worked out what counts towards the 100%? and the exact reqs for ||silk and souls wish||

[sage mantle]

Found this on the speedrunning discord ||https://i.imgur.com/hwgkF2M.png||

spoilers for full map

[spring shard]

Thank you very much :)

[slow turret]

what are the rules between rta and in game time ?

[normal echo]

Can anyone help me speedrun p5?

[mint mist]

it’s affected by mods, yeah, usually i get it by trying to early control the well

idk what causes it specifically but it’s common for me

[rocky dew]

okay

thought it might be useful for speedruns or something if it wasnt mod related

[mint mist]

i’m not super familiar with whether or not it can happen on vanilla, but i don’t think it has much usage

[next steeple]

Quick question: how tf do I get out of underworks after getting clawline

[mint mist]

#sk-help #sk-help-2

[next steeple]

I'm asking as a speederun question

[mint mist]

[next steeple]

I know how to get out normally

[keen coral]

First ever speedrun done 3:33 post credits time

[sage lava]

nice

my first time was ~4hours

[keen coral]

Nice! Enough for the achievement

I think I died 30+ times atleast

[sage lava]

yeah I died quite a bit lol

I struggle mostly with the post-mist part of the run I can get to mist like 35-40min with a good run but after that

gotta practice some more today

[versed blaze]

oh, fleas can't take you to bloodborne town anymore?

[humble berry]

Alternative path on ||sinners road||, around 3 seconds faster

[spice echo]

This is the full route??

[sage mantle]

The full any% cloak route I believe

Idk it might be a couple days old so the fastest one might be different

[versed blaze]

How did the fleas and worm route get patched, sorry

[spice echo]

That’s awesome thanks for sharing this, it’s a really baseline though

[sage mantle]

They made cloakless impossible

[versed blaze]

yes but how

[sage mantle]

They made a wall jump that skipped an ipdraft impossible in citadel

[versed blaze]

And fleas don't tale you to Greymoor now?

[sage mantle]

Not until you've killed moorwing

I think

[versed blaze]

heck

[sage mantle]

Yeah they really didn't want cloakless to be possible

[sage mantle]

If you want more details i recommend asking on the speedrun discord, I'm not an expert

[humble berry]

Is there a discord focused only on ss speedrunning?

[verbal berry]

Check pinned

[median wasp]

It’s hk and ss

[odd oyster]

does ||house key|| in this refer to ||bellhome key||? i've done all of those but still no ||silk and soul||, odd

also tried reloading the save, still no ||silk and soul at bellhart wishboard||

[median wasp]

|| The keeper gives it to you. It’s not on the wish board ||

[steady lynx]

There's an additional requirement which was missed at first

[odd oyster]

which is it?

[odd oyster]

||caretaker at songclave? talked with them and the bellhart bugs, still no quest||

[steady lynx]

One moment, I need to check the list

[leaden prism]

|| I found a somewhat useless skip in the bilewater arena fight. if you are underwater in the lower lefthand side when the big guy comes out and screams. he will push you under the gate and you skip fighting him. but you have to redo the arena. maybe you could kill him from the outside but its not reasonable ||

[mint mist]

that’s a known oob glitch!

i wanna say it was found yesterday

but the devs know about it

[leaden prism]

interesting that i wasnt the only one to find it

i was very confused when i wasnt in the arena, when i wasnt trying to skip it

[steady lynx]

In addition to what I wrote the other day
||

You need 17 of what we call Quest Points, the following quests give one point each if completed
Mossberry Collection
Building Materials (Statue)
Pollip Collection
Volatile Flintbeetles
Save Courier Tipp
Save Courier Pill
A Pinsmith's Tools
Skull King
Fine Pins
Roach Killing
Great Gourmand
Extractor Blue
Journal
Silver Bells
Beastfly Hunt
Huntress Quest
Pilgrims Rags
Save City Merchant
Save City Merchant Bridge
Song Knight
Song Pilgrim Cloaks
Broodmother Hunt

In addition, the six normal courier delivery missions give half a point each, only the first time they're done```||

Some of these are what the missions are called in-code, but it can be infered what they mean

[odd oyster]

thanks, which quest does ||song knight|| refer to? i assume i missed that one

[steady lynx]

Oh, that one is probably the worst one ||It's the one Second Sentinel gives you||

[odd oyster]

and is ||"a pinsmith's tools" = "pinmaster's oil"||?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, probably a change in development lead to the name change

[odd oyster]

are ||broodmother hunt and huntress quest|| duplicates? since ||broodfeast seems to refer to the quest giver as Huntress, or i missed an actual huntress npc?||

sorry for a lot of questions

[steady lynx]

||Broodmother hunt is the one you kill in The Slab, the one you die to twice
Huntress Quest is Broodfeast||

[odd oyster]

thanks

[hidden sundial]

5 sec is wild but flukes might help

[naive pagoda]

hey is anyone in this chat familiar with the fourth chorus skip im making a video and i would greatly appreciate anyone who could explain it quickyl so i can mention it in the video dm me thx in advance

[spice echo]

This is the skip, credits to Blur SR for the footage

[odd oyster]

is there some glitch for floating/flying/something of the sort on current patch? curious if i could get there without ||doing the bilewater gauntlet, to get seeker's soul, it seems to be too high for a double jump or pogoing off cocoon||

[naive pagoda]

is it just a high jump, cloak into dash? or how do the inputs matter tahts waht id like to know ive you know those inputs could you tell them to me and even ive not thanks for the help anyway

[crystal imp]

Has anyone started routing 100 yet? I have crazy tech that allows you to skip quests end game. Could be big for collecting tools and rosary collection

[crimson pawn]

Taunting works to make the spiked guys throw their spikes for the float route. Haven't seen any runners doing that, they just leave the room to make them respawn

[warped brook]

are silksong category extensions being discussed yet? because i have a decent idea of one

a category called "bench to boss", where you basically go from x bench to x boss

[steady lynx]

Only a few ones

[warped brook]

since there are a handful of super fun challenging routes

that i've found

esp one in bl||asted|| st||ep||

[steady lynx]

We really only have ||Cursed Ending and Awoo%|| as ones seriously considered

[warped brook]

lmao

i can guess what the 2nd one is

[warped brook]

i'll need to check to see more than one, but the one i have in mind is rly fun

and i assume there's a lot more

[steady lynx]

There's a lot of potential, but most of the routing energy has gone into any% so far, TE has also been a nightmare to route

[warped brook]

like this

that's one i love

[warped brook]

yeah i get it

i'm very likely to try any% running

but i come from sonic and dishonored speedrunning so

i'm used to a lot shorter

😭

so short category extensions could seem chill to grind

[warped brook]

esp if they're rly fun like this route

i used to love doing level runs in sonic mania

wait

@steady lynx do u think that there would be boss speed runs

like solely the boss fight

[bitter frost]

does anyone have silksong splits?

[sturdy glade]

there will likely be combat ils

and also I bet 4ms is gonna be a thing

[hidden sundial]

4ms is definitely harder on this one

I think - not that I have all of them to know for sure

[thorn jasper]

4ms requires leaving the first area and therefore I'm not interested 😤

[hidden sundial]

I'd assume some mildly interesting categories could include:
||Bellways%||
||All X (MS/VF/Crests)|| - not sure of how bad these are
||All maps||
||X wish%||

[dim rapids]

is there a vid of the current route for silksong?

[crystal imp]

Last 3 of those categories all require A3, All X is basically 75 percent of the game, at that point you might as well route for 100

[hidden sundial]

I see, that's rough

Last one I was thinking more of picking a specific one (||like Savage Beastly %||)

[terse plume]

Are there any weird low% techs yet other than downpatching for no cloak

Also seems like it would suuuuck to have no nail upgrades later on

[royal wren]

hello

i would like to start speedrunning the game

can someone tell me what i need before i start

[humble pulsar]

Anyone know of a Silksong autosplitter

Somehow people are speedrunning the game so I hope there is one somewhere

[zealous kiln]

Do silksong speedruns use the same timer as HK speedruns

[knotty vigil]

livesplit? yeah probably

[humble pulsar]

Pretty much every speedrun does

If he meant like, the same concept, that too it does use loadless timers

/ game time

[thorn jasper]

there's a load remover that has some but not auto splits currently being developed. you can find it in the speed running server (pinned)

[zealous kiln]

is there a way to validate console runs for speedrun.com

[zealous kiln]

because it need the loadless time too iirc

[orchid tundra]

Found a cool skip, not sure if this could save time in any run or if this has been found already. Also I just realized you could do this with dash.

I’m special

Could be used for like dashless or some randomizer in the future

[night umbra]

Has anyone suggested this movement yet? - || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsf9vE-OZQY ||

[next steeple]

What's the most efficient melody order

[mint mist]

i see ||vaultkeeper conductor architect|| in people’s runs

(act 2 spoilers)

[next steeple]

||Yeah, makes sense and I can get the vault pale oil for level 3 needle to help with conductor fight||

||Btw, is there a fourth chorus skip if I get float cloak for comfy||

[mint mist]

yes, there’s a very tight ||sprint jump float dash to the left, or an easier sprint jump heal float dash||

just watch any% runs at this point tbh

[next steeple]

Alright

Surprised there are any at this point

[lean steeple]

You would be

[grave radish]

Is there any place to see the any% wr leaderboards?

[mint mist]

for hollow knight, speedrun.com
silksong src doesn’t open up until october 1st

[storm elbow]

Where do you get the splits

[mint mist]

i think people are still manual splitting but i’m not sure

i haven’t done any runs

[storm elbow]

Alright

[void cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6oupbKhFg

wtf

if this is useful i will be so happy lmao

[rain jetty]

hey I know everyone is freaking out about silksong and routing and all that but I was just thinking in HK all skills why don't we get KB after dash slash?

[next steeple]

||What's the cheese for double big guy in conductor area fight||

[normal depot]

Idk if this has been found yet or even if it has any use outside of being a dumb softlock you can do anywhere with ledges but I found this the other day while messing around. Figured Id throw it in here because its neat and Idk if it could lead anywhere while looking for glitches (My friends and I have started calling this the Very Interesting Map Glitch) Performed by double tapping the left bumper to open the map screen as you walk off of a ledge

It literally just gets you stuck in the map animation

[deft ingot]

Is there anywhere that has setups for already discovered skips for any% silksong?

Or do I just need to look through this channel for anything I can find

[novel yew]

I learned a few of them by just watching one of the recent wr runs

BlueSR talks a lot while he runs and will loudly proclaim that he's doing a skip lol

[deft ingot]

I just have a case of skill issue and am being awful at that one ||beastfly skip all the way to silk spear||

Or whatever that enemy is called

[mint mist]

if you were going to get dash slash before brand, your movement would be acid skip, aspid pogo, bench camp, THEN go down to dash slash, save and quit out of dash slash, do hornet 2
because kings brand automatically hardsaves you, i think not having to break the ceiling and unlock the bench is timesave

[topaz grove]

anyone doing Silksong True Ending?

[mint mist]

i hear the speedrun is pretty dead atm

something about needing 17 quest points

if not for that, i think ||bilewater strats would be really cool|| midgame area name spoiler

[rain jetty]

I didn't think that acid skip was doable without wings. Would you not just go manually from oro to hornet vertically?

[mint mist]

it is, but it’s quite a bit harder

a lot of people only know about the cdash cancel wings hazard respawn, but there’s a ledge you can cdash off of and neutral jump out of the other side

[wild panther]

small optimization for ||dancers||? you get 4 additional hits if you get hit at the beginning, havent tested if any other bosses behave the same

[normal aspen]

yeah thats known

[mellow spire]

Hey everyone, not sure if this matters but I found a way to get to clawline without the fan. And I have confirmed you can skip the collection quest, 4th chorus entirely, and moorwing and getting drifters cloak. I have beat the game with out it.

using the flea quest and the skip.

[normal aspen]

yeah thats known, though the new patch means you cant just do the wj to skip the fan, but scuttlebrace is looking like a potential replacement

[mellow spire]

I see, fair enough, had a feeling that would be the case

[oak epoch]

where could i find out the speedrun path?

[sage lava]

.

[sage lava]

^

[oak epoch]

ty

[sage lava]

Might not be the most updated version but is pretty good

[deep holly]

Are there speedrun tools being developed?

[weak fjord]

heya this is probably not the right place but im wondering if its possible to make a TAS of silksong, anyone know how to get started on this or where i could find help?

[normal aspen]

yeah we have debug and an autosplitter so far

[normal aspen]

ngl its way too early for all of those tools to have been given much thought, but u can prob tas it much the same way as other unity games w/ libtas

[weak fjord]

thx ill explore that some more :)

[next steeple]

Any Lace 2 cheese, I'm at 4h 20 mins and I'm much better at GMS

[deep holly]

Do we have like room teleport and changing states and save state?

[normal aspen]

Yeah

[next steeple]

How many needle hits is lace 2 with shining needle

[deep holly]

Damn this was so quick lmao

[heavy cedar]

I heard the latest patch broke the cloakless route, what part of it did it break? I’m curious

[bitter merlin]

i was told to try and report an interesting find here:
getting hit at the same time as casting a thread storm doesn't lock you in place and you can still move for the duration of the cast

[heavy cedar]

Sounds kinda useful but thread storm is pretty out of the way to grab iirc

[bitter merlin]

yeah just sayin maybe in a potential 100% run

[heavy cedar]

True

[steady lynx]

There's ||one single jump in underworks which doesn't work anymore, so cloak is now required||

[heavy cedar]

Ah, rip. Where abouts in the underworks is it? Might spend a while looking around cuz I’m bored

[half tide]

I literally experienced this yesterday.

I wondered if it was intentional or not.

[half tide]

How did they patch that out?

[heavy cedar]

I’m guessing some geometry got adjusted somewhere?

[bitter merlin]

i don't think it is

i mean it's a rare occasion and a weird interraction to be intentional

[half tide]

I think I could still get the mash out while moving too.

[bitter merlin]

mash out?

as in cyclone slash but for storm?

[tall thorn]

where can i find resources for the any% route and strategies?

[bitter merlin]

here probably

[wise torrent]

is there a name for this skip

[steady lynx]

They just made the tiny bit of wall you could jump on unclingable

Some streamer named Blue has apparently been in somewhat touch with TC about reverting the change

[steady lynx]

It's near the ||architect||

Hey @potent mountain how long do we have to do this spoiler stuff?

[bitter merlin]

i mean i would think that this could be a place without spoilers normally speedrunners have completed the game AT LEAST once

[steady lynx]

I'm on my fifth time through the game, going for the ||Steelsoul 100%|| achievement now

[bitter merlin]

ooh nice

good luck with that

[thorn jasper]

I would prefer a separate SS speed running channel tbh

[half tide]

Ye

[bitter merlin]

yeah i just tested it how did i not know about this i love it

[half tide]

It’s a LOT of extra damage,

[clear drum]

guys, is there maybe a google doc or something that has all the infos and ressources required to learn how to speedrun silksong?

[thorn jasper]

the speedrunning server (in pins) has scattered info. no centralized tutorial yet, the game is too new

[clear drum]

makes sense, thanks a lot

[mint mist]

that’s a classic enemy pogo

you can tell this skip apart from other skip bc it involves pogoing an enemy

[uncut marlin]

not sure how this happened or if its applicable anywhere else in the game but yeah

[mint mist]

probably hitbox shenanigans, it’ll have uses somewhere

[opal spoke]

how do i get started in speedrunning hk

[lofty flare]

https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD

[alpine sandal]

Is this for ss too or just hk

[formal bough]

It's for SS too

[alpine sandal]

Ty

[bitter merlin]

Yo is 27 good for a first blind playthrough with no guides

[haughty maple]

True first blind playthrough... The challenge I am doing rn.

No maps. No compass. No guides or help.

[lucid mural]

Hey, I was wondering, would skipping the bossfight portion of the ||Groal the Great|| fight by clipping through the left hand gate be good for any speedrun catageory of ss?

I accidentally did that during my attempts and am curious. Can go into more detail of how it happened, as I am not sure of how to exactly replicate it.

[deft ingot]

I doubt a main category would use that, simply because I think he drops some item that would count as towards 100% speedruns and I don’t think that fight is needed for TE

Although I’m not sure if the 100% statement is true

[lucid mural]

Would be weird if a boss was not required for 100%

[deft ingot]

That too

[lucid mural]

Question is, does he count, or just the item you get 🤔

From what I gathered when it happened too, I can expect it to be a very precise, if not FP clip, which is not worth in the early days of a 100% run

[deft ingot]

I mean, depending on how you do the clip, maybe some earlier arenas could be skipped?

[lucid mural]

Even more important, is the fact that you can 1 shot any boss with spike trap and boomerang

Or at least most

[lucid mural]

It is most probably specific to that boss, as it involves the shockwave stun during his spawn, or another (unlikely) possibility is that it is just using the bilewater and the left platform, in which case it might be replicated outside the arena

[austere moon]

I haven't gone and watched any skong speedruns yet, but I'm curious if ||sister spindle|| is skipped

via ||lurring one of the flower enemies from the other side of wall (in the room where walljump is located) with hornet's challenge and then using it for an enemy pogo||

[austere moon]

oop just saw this map; ig that answers my question

[worthy sleet]

https://youtu.be/VW-irBRUtng?si=fQumzOm3H4EnFYYd
How did they do this

[worthy sleet]

How do you do that

[formal bough]

Wow team cherry is silly. To me this looks like the scream takes you out of swimming, making you go underwater and the wall doesn't go under water

that's what I'd think is happening here

[worthy sleet]

Good for me since I am not fighting groal

[worthy sleet]

Is there a glitch to skip the arena

[wind python]

dont know if the speedrun community looked into it but i found a parachute/greymoor/moorwing-less route for any%

[lucid mural]

Exactly like you

[knotty vigil]

small "optimization" i found, in the ||sands of karak area directly left of the bench, if you hit that pearl at the bottom without touching the ground and then fall down into the sand pit, you respawn back up at the top and it saves you from needing to climb all the way back up||

down here

idk if that saves time or not, just smth i found

[odd oyster]

Have ||tool/silk spell|| damage numbers been datamined/figured out to be able to compare their efficiency?

[robust axle]

Surely they have,,,

[odd oyster]

I guess a better question would be where are they written down if so?

found the ||silk spell|| values on the wiki but not tool values

[robust axle]

Is ||Gossamer Storm|| better than ||Silkspear,,,||

[odd oyster]

||https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Category:Tools_and_Skills_(Silksong)#List_of_Skills||
you can see on each ||skill||'s page

[robust axle]

Woah

[vast smelt]

||https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2565279297|| hitless speedrun boss fight complete!

[cedar shadow]

LiveSplit doesnt work with mods?

[thorn jasper]

in general it does but there may be specific issues. what are you encountering?

[west sleet]

Do we have the knowledge yet that you can still get 100% if you ||rush to act 3|| and don’t really pick up anything except what’s needed to get there? Going to try for the speed runner achievement, but basically wondering if I’ll have to backtrack a lot of stuff before ||going to act 3|| when I do the 100% speed runner achievement or just make a new save for it

[formal bough]

That's a very safe assumption

Like, I would be flabbergasted if it's not true

[west sleet]

In which way? Losing the ability to still get 100%? Like the assumption right now would still be you could?

[formal bough]

yeah because if you think about it, any individual % is almost certainly forgotten by somebody until post-game cleanup

[steady lynx]

There was some bug with ||Witch crest after entering act 3|| on the first version, but it's been fixed now